[01:11] hello folks [01:12] there's a broken link in ubottu's database [01:12] !sparc [01:12] Have a look here for Docs http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/install/sparc/ KnownIssues and TODO are on the wiki. [01:12] kindly take a look [01:14] perhaps this should be the correct link: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Sparc [01:14] ubottu: sparc is Information on Ubuntu on SPARC platforms can be found here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Sparc [01:14] But sparc already means something else! [01:14] ubottu: no sparc is Information on Ubuntu on SPARC platforms can be found here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Sparc [01:14] I'll remember that genii [01:15] !no sparc is Information on Ubuntu on SPARC platforms can be found here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Sparc [01:15] I'll remember that Pici [01:15] thanks genii [01:15] and pici [01:15] Pici: Damn. I always forget that bit [01:15] genii: I know ;) [01:15] here's another link we might include - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/sparc/KnownIssues [01:17] aaditya: That second page links off the one already given [01:18] genii: oh ok, cool [01:19] aaditya: If there are no other issues for you to raise here, please remember idling in this channel is not allowed. [01:20] genii: no problem [01:21] * genii hands Mr. Pici a coffee [01:21] :P [01:21] Pici: I'll be calling you that for a while now, you know [01:24] genii, avoid 'not allowed' unless you want people to argue the point more than usual. 'strongly discouraged' is better [01:24] elky: I thought about that fater actually and figure I should perhaps have said "not encouraged" or similar [01:24] *after [01:25] cool, so long as the reasoning is not lost on you [01:25] :) [01:26] meanwhile, my work vm has a keymap issue and it sucks. [01:26] vmware is stupid sometimes. [01:27] it of course reports 'generic 105 keyboard' or whatever at config time... irregardless if you have a funky laptop keyboard that's not really quite like generic keyboards. [01:27] the up arrow launches screenshot. 10 times. [01:27] Ouch [01:27] the enter key likes to multi-press too. [01:28] it is quite tiring since this is keeping me from doing actual work :( [01:28] Could you install some sort of remote desktop server on it then remote it? [01:28] er, s/it/in? [01:31] Pici, SOE is vmware. [01:32] there's several issues. firstly, the keymapping. secondly, the zillion-keypresses-instead-of-one thing. [01:33] this is also centos. so i have zero confidence of getting an answer from the relevent channels [01:34] :/ [01:34] the keymap thing happens on my ubuntu vm too, but that's there for karmic funs. [01:34] In ubottu, aaditya said: sftp is SSH File Transfer Protocol provides file transfer and manipulation functionality over any reliable data stream. For more info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/TransferFiles [01:34] hm [01:35] !sftp [01:35] Sorry, I don't know anything about sftp [01:35] !ssh [01:35] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ [01:36] Maybe just append: ftp over SSH the-link-here [01:38] In ubottu, aaditya said: sftp is SSH File Transfer Protocol provides file transfer and manipulation functionality over any reliable data stream. For more info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/TransferFiles and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH_file_transfer_protocol. For Windows SFTP server or client, http://www.bitvise.com/tunnelier and http://winscp.net/ [01:38] Thats a big factoid [01:39] Pici: I'm more for appending the !ssh then alias !sftp to it, or similar [01:40] genii: I'm about to go eat, so its up to you. [01:40] You can do any number of thing over SSH. Like dd even [01:41] Whats the syntax of adding an alias? I didn't see it on the bot usage page [01:41] !baz is foo [01:41] I'll remember that, Pici [01:41] !-baz [01:41] baz is foo - added by Pici on 2009-06-01 00:41:41 [01:41] !-foo [01:41] foo aliases: baz - added by LjL on 2007-09-22 14:37:00 - last edited by stdin on 2009-02-03 11:11:13 [01:41] Hehe [01:47] i'm back with another issue [01:48] if ubottu knew about sftp, it'd be easier to explain newbies why to use sftp instead of samba [01:48] sftp is SSH File Transfer Protocol provides file transfer and manipulation functionality over any reliable data stream. For more info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/TransferFiles and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH_file_transfer_protocol. For Windows SFTP server or client, http://www.bitvise.com/tunnelier and http://winscp.net/ [01:48] could someone verify the info above and tell ubottu to remember it? [01:50] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a Windows SSH client, it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ . SSH can be used with protocols such as FTP, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/TransferFiles [01:51] no, ssh is not used WITH ftp [01:51] sftp is a different protocol [01:51] SFTP is file transfer over an encrypted SSH stream [01:53] aaditya: Many things can be done over SSH. dd for instance, not just ftp. sftp is regular ftp which is passed over an ssh connection, it is not a separate thing independent of ssh [01:53] i agree [01:54] but telling users that they can use SSH with FTP will give them the impression that they have to setup SSH and then FTP somehow [01:55] moreover, gnome and kde support SFTP natively [01:56] aaditya: ssh client is installed by default. [01:57] that sounds better [01:57] Gnome and KDE support SFTP by default.. [02:02] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a Windows SSH client, it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ . Gnome and KDE support SFTP (Secure FTP) by default, which also uses SSH , see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/TransferFiles [02:02] aaditya: The idea is not to have a separate !sftp but point it to !ssh which would be modified to something similar to above [02:04] genii: Got it. I'll make the factoid clear and easy to comprehend, and then get back to you. [02:07] aaditya: For now I'll adjust the existing !ssh to the above and point !sftp to it. [02:07] ok, i'm almost done though [02:07] (if there are no objections from others) [02:08] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. SFTP (SSH File Transfer Protocol) provides file transfer and manipulation functionality. For more info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/TransferFiles and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH_file_transfer_protocol. For SSH functionality on Windows, http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/, http://www.bitvise.com/tunnelier and ht [02:08] aaditya: The problem is that there is limited facgtoid length [02:09] that's what i was thinking [02:09] genii: is there a max character count? [02:09] aaditya: Yes. Off hand I'm not sure what though. Likely where it cut off what you put [02:10] let's remove some of the links then [02:10] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. SFTP (SSH File Transfer Protocol) provides file transfer and manipulation functionality. For more info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/TransferFiles. For SSH functionality in Windows: http://www.bitvise.com/tunnelier [02:11] the windows client, tunnelier, is more user friendly than putty and is free for personal use [02:11] WinSCP is free too [02:11] Hm [02:12] aaditya: tunnelier is not open-source, putty is [02:12] yes that's the thing with tunnelier [02:13] WinSCP is open source and better than Putty [02:14] but looks like WinSCP does not provide an ssh shell interface [02:14] let's keep putty in that case [02:14] aaditya: I would not link to tunnelier over putty in this tacfoid for an ssh client. winscp is fine for windows sftp client however [02:15] genii: so putty and winscp? [02:15] aaditya: Yes [02:16] Conciely if possible :) [02:16] *concisely [02:17] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. SFTP (SSH File Transfer Protocol) provides file transfer and manipulation functionality. For more info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/TransferFiles. For SSH functionality in Windows: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ and http://winscp.net/ [02:18] aaditya: It becomes in that case confusing if winscp is an ssh client or no. 1 minute and I'll consider a rewrite here [02:18] genii: alright [02:21] let's also point "scp" to the same factoid [02:21] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ is a Windows SSH client. SFTP (SSH File Transfer Protocol) provides file transfer and manipulation functionality: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/TransferFiles . WinSCP provides similar functionality for Windows: http://winscp.net/ [02:22] !scp [02:22] SCP is a secure way of copying files across networks using !SSH. Usage: scp filename user@host:filename - WinSCP is a client for Windows, available at http://winscp.net/ [02:22] hm [02:22] aaditya: !scp is functional as-is [02:22] yes [02:23] aaditya: In fact Can just reference !scp from in the !ssh [02:23] i have a feeling that sftp and scp should be a single factoid and ssh should be separate [02:24] can we keep the existing SSH and add the extra sftp information to scp instead of ssh? [02:24] and then point sftp to the scp factoid? [02:24] aaditya: This makes more functional sense, yes [02:25] i'm at it [02:25] !ssh [02:25] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ [02:27] ubottu: SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ . See !scp for secure file copy, which also uses SSH [02:27] But ssh already means something else! [02:27] ubottu: no, SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ . See !scp for secure file copy, which also uses SSH [02:27] I'll remember that genii [02:30] Oops [02:30] ubottu: no, SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ . See !scp for secure file copy, which also uses SSH [02:30] I'll remember that genii [02:30] Bah. [02:30] ubottu: no, SSH is SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ . See !scp for secure file copy, which also uses SSH [02:30] * genii quadruple-checks [02:31] !ssh [02:31] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ . See !scp for secure file copy, which also uses SSH [02:31] now i'm confused lol [02:31] SFTP (SSH File Transfer Protocol) provides file transfer and manipulation functionality across networks over !SSH. SCP is a secure way of copying files over !SSH. Usage: `scp filename user@host:filename`. For more info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/TransferFiles. WinSCP is a client for Windows, available at http://winscp.net/ [02:33] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ . See !SCP for more info on securely copying files over networks. [02:34] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ . See !SCP for more info on securely copying files over SSH. [02:35] genii: i'm back [02:39] aaditya: Factoid changes are not committed until the bot is directed to replace the old one with the agreed-upon new one. So I just modified the original !ssh [02:39] genii: I noticed that [02:40] i was confused with the number of times it was changed :P [02:40] anyways [02:40] * genii makes more coffee [02:41] heh [02:41] you might want to consider the last SSH that I posted above [02:41] and the SFTP one could have "scp", "sftp" and "winscp" pointed towards it [02:43] We'll sort it out :) [02:43] cool :) [02:46] I'm working on becoming a member of Team Ubuntu. The docs say that "Contributions should be significant and visible". What'd be considered significant? 200th best contributer in brainstorm and helping people in #ubuntu? [02:47] aaditya: I'm not sure thats within the scope of this channel [02:47] genii: Ah I see. Which channel then? [02:48] !contribute [02:48] To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate [02:48] Hm [02:48] aaditya: You may want to ask in #ubuntu-motu , if anywhere [02:49] genii: alright, thanks :) [02:49] genii: I'm heading out now, hoping to see those factoid changes committed soon. Thanks for your time and cooperation. [02:50] aaditya: You're welcome [03:06] * genii contemplates the factoid mess [03:08] * Seeker` contemplates NDCS [03:08] *NCDS [03:10] ? [03:12] OK, is this acceptable? [03:12] !ssh [03:12] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for client usage. Putty is an SSH client for Windows; see: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ for it's homepage. For setting up the SSH server, please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/openssh-server.html . Advanced SSH uses: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Advanced . See also !scp (Secure CoPy) [03:13] bit long isn't it? [03:14] Seeker`: Yes :( Maybe to remove the advanced usgaes, you think? That page has useful info on tunneling vnc, socksn and sshfs though [03:15] Bleh typos [03:15] I think that putty should be a seperate factoid [03:15] maybe [03:16] !putty [03:16] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for client usage. Putty is an SSH client for Windows; see: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ for it's homepage. For setting up the SSH server, please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/openssh-server.html . Advanced SSH uses: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Advanced . See also !scp (Secure CoPy) [03:16] Hm [03:17] Seeker`: I'm all for that, I don't know how to un-alias though [03:20] I imagine you tell it to forget the aliased name but I don't want to do that and wipe out the original === hmm is now known as tiyowan [03:21] Hi...um, can someone please point out to me why I've been banned from the Ubuntu channel? [03:21] you pinged the whole channel [03:21] Yikes. [03:23] Sorry about that; I'm setting up irssi on cygwin using rxvt... [03:23] I'll remove the ban if you can guarantee that it will never happen again [03:24] Agreed. :) [03:25] you should be able to get back in [03:26] * elky debates ordering pizza for lunch... [03:26] Thank you very much. Aha, I think I know how that happened. Hmm, oversight in the irssi script. Could you point out an acceptable way to find out the lag between myself and #ubuntu? [03:28] doesn't irssi display the lag if it is more than 1 second? [03:29] yes, irssi displays lag [03:29] Seeker: Yes, it does. Perhaps I could pull that out af a var. Okay, thanks a lot. And sorry about that. [03:30] tiyowan: it's better to ping the server itself [03:30] channels don't respond to pings [03:31] nalioth: For example, pinging irc.freenode.net? [03:33] Anyway, I'll figure something out. Thank you for your assistance, folks. Have a nice day. [03:44] * genii sips [04:02] Hm. [04:02] putty is PuTTY is an !SSH client for Windows. Please see: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ for it's homepage and downloads. See also !scp (Secure CoPy) [04:03] I'm getting from bot "putty is something else" but then when: no, putty is newthing it says it knows nothing about putty [04:04] * genii pokdes at tsimpson [04:21] sigh damned bees [04:23] Myrtti: You got bit? [04:58] genii: no, woke up [05:00] Ah. Yes, they can be very noisy. Especially the large queens [07:21] In ubottu, rww said: !no, limewire is a popular !P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install !Java, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftLinuxDeb. Consider !FrostWire as an alternative. [08:27] both limewire and frostwire suck. [08:27] limewire is limewire sucks [08:34] I had a discussion here with genii about 6 hours ago about updating certain factoids [08:34] Users could be benefited by updating "sftp" and "scp" [08:36] chuck_ called the ops in #ubuntu () [08:37] aaditya: And? [08:37] aaditya: Looks like it was done. [08:38] !sftp [08:38] Sorry, I don't know anything about sftp [08:38] !scp [08:38] SCP is a secure way of copying files across networks using !SSH. Usage: scp filename user@host:filename - WinSCP is a client for Windows, available at http://winscp.net/ [08:38] only SSH factoid was modified [08:39] I and genii discussed setting sftp and scp to the following: [08:39] "SFTP (SSH File Transfer Protocol) provides file transfer and manipulation functionality across networks over !SSH. SCP is a secure way of copying files over !SSH. Usage: `scp filename user@host:filename`. For more info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/TransferFiles. WinSCP is a client for Windows, available at http://winscp.net/" [08:39] I also proposed pointing WinSCP to the same factoid [08:40] Theres really not a lot of information about sftp on that wiki page [08:41] yes [08:41] Gnome and KDE support the sftp protocol scheme by default [08:41] though [08:45] aaditya: If you can come up with a (preferably) short factoid for sftp that doesn't just have a link to 1 sentence about it then I'll add it. [08:47] secure ftp (nss IIR) and link to a wiki but that is exactly what you are not looking for [08:49] aaditya: Pici man sftp the description should have enough in it for factiod [08:50] * gnomefreak just did that [08:50] gnomefreak: yes, but that's sftp program [08:50] I'm not running on enough sleep to come up with a factoid from scratch. [08:51] i'm preparing a factoid for SFTP protocol; will have it ready in another minute [08:51] aaditya: the problem being? [08:53] aaditya: add info about the app. the protocol should be added to that. info app; than link it to something about protocol, Just using protocol isnt helpfull if people dont know what the app does/is [08:53] gnomefreak: yes. check this out: [08:53] SFTP (SSH File Transfer Protocol) provides file transfer and manipulation functionality across networks over !SSH. SFTP is supported in Gnome and KDE by default. For more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH_File_Transfer_Protocol. WinSCP is a client for Windows: http://winscp.net/ [08:53] !sftp is ssh [08:53] I'll remember that, elky [08:54] !sftp [08:54] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for client usage. Putty is an SSH client for Windows; see: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ for it's homepage. For setting up the SSH server, please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/openssh-server.html . Advanced SSH uses: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Advanced . See also !scp (Secure CoPy) [08:54] hugonormous factoid [08:54] yeah a bit big [08:54] it does not explain what sftp is... [08:54] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol, [08:55] it does [08:55] that link to docs has been changed to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH [08:55] if we add the last link to the 2nd link that will make it a bit smaller [08:56] Information about SSH server is a part of the wiki page, so we can take that off [08:56] The last link is the only one that mentions sftp at all. If you're going to remove that, youreally ought to make a separate factoid for sftp [08:57] a !sftp factoid that mentions sftp two times removed isn't really great [08:57] have windows info on one of the links that tells you what sftp instead of in faction [08:57] -n +d [08:58] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH. Putty is an SSH client for Windows: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/. For transferring files over SSH, check !SCP and !SFTP [08:58] even the "advanced SSH uses" page is linked from the wiki, so we don't need to have that in the factoid [09:00] the problem with that is sftp is alias to ssh so any link we have htere needs to point to both or make it separate [09:00] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH. For transferring files over SSH, check !SCP and !SFTP. Putty is an SSH client for Windows: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ [09:00] gnomefreak: it'd be better to make the separate [09:01] no really since it does same thing, if the link talks about ssh ftp and sftp it would work great [09:01] s/no/not [09:01] too early for me to make edit wikis [09:02] i'm not sure about that because SSH is a shell, while SFTP is a way of transferring files. They certainly use the same protocol, but a user perceives them differently. [09:03] http://www.openssh.org/ is helpful and nice sort of it is mainly about the suite [09:03] aaditya: that is the same as ftp and since they both use ssh i dont see a problem [09:04] !openssh [09:04] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for client usage. Putty is an SSH client for Windows; see: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ for it's homepage. For setting up the SSH server, please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/openssh-server.html . Advanced SSH uses: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Advanced . See also !scp (Secure CoPy) [09:05] I personally think thats too much information. [09:05] Pici: I agree [09:05] Pici: it is and it really should mention that it is a suite and brings in ftp sftp ect... [09:05] or link to http://www.openssh.org/ [09:05] You can modify it ;) [09:06] i have a feeling that newbies will have a hard time understanding the suite [09:06] give me a few more hours to wake up. i have been up less than 30 minutes so far [09:07] ??? install openssh since you sort of have to anyway for use of ssh [09:07] there are often people in #ubuntu who are fed up with samba. It'd be easy to show them a SFTP factoid to explain them how to get a better functionality in terms of file sharing. [09:07] !samba [09:08] Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT. [09:09] aaditya: its a differnet factiod for samba than ssh so i dont see an issue with that. the link we have for ssh is good only need to shorten it IMHO [09:09] ssh is installed by default [09:09] We'd be better off helping them setting up SFTP rather than solving Samba problems ;) [09:09] (client) [09:09] samba is a pian in the but to use [09:09] aaditya: people will use samba and would need help [09:09] Flannel: not default [09:10] ssh: [09:10] Installed: (none) [09:10] Candidate: 1:5.1p1-5ubuntu1 [09:10] my proposal is to create a separate SFTP factoid so that we could allow users to switch to SFTP [09:10] gnomefreak: "ssh" is both server and client (metapackage) [09:10] openssh-client [09:11] aaditya: to sparate it from ssh/ftp is not helpful since they are pretty much related. sftp is a more secure ftp and as i recall man ftp has a secure switch in it [09:11] are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that people should use ssh and sftp over samba? [09:11] Myrtti: Yes, seriously. [09:12] I haven't used samba in 4 years now I think (: [09:12] it doesnt make any sense to me. I say link sftp to ssh/ftp shorten it and call it a day. [09:12] Windows cannot easily mount anything other than samba. [09:13] make a wiki and we will link it to that [09:13] Pici: what about people without Windows? [09:13] if it has enough good info on it [09:13] Tm_T: we live in the real world [09:13] Tm_T: NFS. [09:13] for those who want a change, or have a choice, WinSCP and Putty do a reasonably good job [09:13] Myrtti: I know, just said (:) [09:13] Tm_T: mac can use samba cant it? [09:13] gnomefreak: no idea, but I guess yes [09:14] aaditya: Thats not a mounted filesystem [09:14] the performance of ssh in *LAN* file transfer is so bad it shouldn't be suggested to replace samba [09:14] Myrtti: aye, that too [09:14] and samba shouldn't be used in WAN connections anyway [09:14] * gnomefreak sneaks away for a smoke ;) [09:14] Pici: there is a windows program to "mount" SSH drives. i'll look it up now [09:14] aaditya: I know, I'm using it here. [09:14] I'd rather use samba than ssh to transfer stuff in a LAN anytime [09:15] (though I prefer NFS, since I don't have windows machinery) [09:15] Myrtti: I don't but that's then again me, as I don't use LAN transfers that often [09:15] Tm_T: I used to do my backups to my homeserver, and doing it over ssh is a MAJOR pain in the butt [09:15] Myrtti: I can imagine, yes [09:16] ssh quadrupled the transfer time, and strained the processors of both machines to idiotic amounts [09:16] aye, it's cpu-intensive with enough traffic [09:16] ssh shouldn't be suggested to replace samba, ever. Samba shouldn't be suggested to use over Internet file transfers. [09:17] if you want to replace samba, use NFS [09:17] agreed [09:17] !nfs [09:17] nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS. [09:17] and if you want to replace samba printers, use cupsd [09:17] does windows support NFS in any form? [09:18] aaditya: samba has a valid usecase in a heterogenious environment [09:18] if the network has Windows computers [09:18] I don't believe it has NFS support out of the box. [09:18] Myrtti: agreed [09:18] probably, most likely not. [09:19] in my opinion nfs is easier to setup than samba, but it also requires that the network is quite homogenous [09:20] * Myrtti feels the need to write a rant blog entry [09:21] Would it be reasonable to suggest users to setup NFS on their windows box? [09:21] * gnomefreak expects a bubble [09:21] aaditya: whut? [09:21] Myrtti: i got my answer ;) [09:22] aaditya: as I just said, NFS isn't for networks with an intention to share files between Windows computer(s) to others [09:22] linux is the most flexible part of the equasion [09:23] ok. For those who wish to transfer files securely over WAN, should be have a separate factoid for SFTP? [09:23] aaditya: doesn't the SFTP factoid already cover it? [09:23] !sftp [09:24] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for client usage. Putty is an SSH client for Windows; see: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ for it's homepage. For setting up the SSH server, please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/openssh-server.html . Advanced SSH uses: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Advanced . See also !scp (Secure CoPy) [09:24] it doesn't [09:24] works like a charm. [09:24] oh? [09:24] not really since it is the same as ftp -x (doesnt feel like looking the switch up but i would guess either -s or -S [09:24] Myrtti: it does not mention file transfer at all [09:25] Myrtti: and it's too long. i'll copy paste a replacement for !SSH that I proposed earlier. [09:25] links do and maybe use tiny link to create the links. at least than it will shorten the factiod [09:25] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH. For transferring files over SSH, check !SCP and !SFTP. Putty is an SSH client for Windows: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ [09:26] separate ssh factiod makes no sense since ftp sftp uses ssh [09:26] we don't need the other two links since those are mentioned in the wiki docs [09:26] so, has there been an agreement *NOT* to edit that factoid to that form? [09:26] or what are we discussing here for? [09:26] +1 Myrtti [09:27] there hasn't been any agreement yet [09:27] jolly good. [09:28] I say no for separate sftp factoid, include it to ssh [09:28] and/or ftp [09:28] oh for gods sake [09:28] Tm_T: that works [09:28] * Myrtti vanishes to work [09:28] https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/openssh-server.html should mention putty IMHO but it has to have doc team member to change it [09:29] gnomefreak: why not openssh-client? [09:29] gnomefreak: wohoo, I'm a member. [09:29] Tm_T: good point [09:29] https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Emyrtti/+participation [09:29] In #ubuntu, fccf said: !ubuntuforums is how I learned ubuntu and how to fix things [09:29] gnomefreak: and I was partly kidding, though I believe you can use it with KDE in Windows too (;) [09:31] apparently fccf didn't realize that he was telling ubottu to modify a factoid [09:31] at the very least we should use ubuntu links since we are supporting it. for example http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ should use ubuntu link instead [09:32] aaditya: not many people do [09:32] gnomefreak: ubuntu link as in? [09:32] as in a wiki or a ubuntu doc [09:33] gnomefreak: yeah [09:33] since its all about connecting to windows -> linux and vice versa [09:34] in addition to that, it's also about linux <-> linux [09:34] we don't want windows, remember bug #1? ;) [09:34] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Timeout) [09:34] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/ConnectingTo [09:34] aaditya: that is why i said vice versa [09:35] that link mentions putty fairly well IMHO [09:35] and other windows apps like cygwin [09:36] gnomefreak: true. the putty link should be replaced with this one. [09:38] other than that change shorten it and done but the shortening it is the problem since there is very little info in the factiod other than links but i am out of ideas [09:38] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH. For transferring files over SSH, see !SCP or !SFTP. Connecting via SSH from different platforms: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/ConnectingTo [09:38] oh and MAC does use the same as [09:38] us [09:39] yes [09:39] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH.== bad link [09:39] ah remove the . from it [09:39] it's the dot in the end [09:40] instead use a | or something [09:40] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol; see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH | For transferring files over SSH, see !SCP or !SFTP. Connecting via SSH from different platforms: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/ConnectingTo [09:40] so we're still having the separate factoids? [09:40] let's replace the second dot too [09:40] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol; see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH | For transferring files over SSH, see !SCP or !SFTP | Connecting via SSH from different platforms https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/ConnectingTo [09:40] several have already protested that [09:40] Myrtti: no i am aginst that but im only 1 person [09:40] Myrtti: not a separate one [09:41] just fix this one a little [09:41] Myrtti: SFTP should still point to something meaningful, like FTP or SCP [09:41] not FTP, since that's about FTP clients [09:42] see !SCP or !SFTP in factiod suggests they are different [09:42] let's also remove !SFTP from the SSH one above [09:42] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol; see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH | For transferring files over SSH, see !SCP | Connecting via SSH from different platforms https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/ConnectingTo [09:42] and one colon before the last link [09:42] so currently sftp and ssh are the same [09:43]