| Tonio_ | Riddell: when you read this, can you please reject kopete-facebook ? it misses a missing build-dep... I'm fixing and reuploading | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| Tonio_ | none of us tried in a fresh pbuilder install :) | 00:01 |
| Tonio_ | I'll wait for libqjso to reach the archives to make sure it's okay | 00:02 |
| Tonio_ | shtylman: you rock :) | 00:07 |
| Riddell | rejected | 00:08 |
| Tonio_ | shtylman: the way you did it means it should support ioslaves right ? | 00:08 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: thanks | 00:08 |
| Riddell | shtylman: screenshot screenshot! | 00:08 |
| shtylman | Tonio_: not ness...cause it only passes a url to openoffice.. | 00:08 |
| Tonio_ | shtylman: yeah I want to see that :) | 00:08 |
| Tonio_ | shtylman: ok | 00:09 |
| shtylman | so openoffice would have to support the kio slaves stuff | 00:09 |
| Tonio_ | shtylman: unlikelly.... | 00:09 |
| shtylman | yea | 00:09 |
| shtylman | it would be very very painful | 00:09 |
| Tonio_ | shtylman: if only ioslaves ad gfvs could have a common api... | 00:15 |
| shtylman | indeed...if only... | 00:15 |
| shtylman | still have a small drawing quirk to work out...then it will be perfect... | 00:16 |
| Tonio_ | can't wait to see a screenshot :) | 00:16 |
| shtylman | soon...hopefully | 00:17 |
| Tonio_ | hehe | 00:17 |
| * nixternal throws in one more "can't wait to see a screenshot" :p | 00:17 | |
| yuriy | shtylman: awesome! can't wait to see a screenshot... :P | 00:35 |
| nixternal | dtchen: hey, upgraded to karmic, sound is gone, your fault! | 02:21 |
| nixternal | that could be an issue :) | 02:27 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: hehe | 02:39 |
| * Tonio_ works on jerboa source code... | 02:39 | |
| nixternal | jeesh, people in the ubuntu forums and on lp telling people to download stuff from also and recompile | 02:40 |
| * ScottK waves. | 02:42 | |
| * nixternal waves back | 02:43 | |
| * neversfelde is afraid of that apturl thing | 02:47 | |
| === santiago-pgsql is now known as santiago-ve | ||
| neversfelde | I tell users in our forum 10 times a day to not use ppas or other third party stuff | 02:47 |
| neversfelde | I think I can apply for pension, if apturl will be reality :) | 02:48 |
| nixternal | lol | 02:51 |
| vorian | yo | 03:19 |
| ScottK | Yo baby, yo baby, yo! | 03:20 |
| jjesse | yo ho ho and a bottle of rum | 03:23 |
| vorian | i'm beat | 03:31 |
| vorian | up | 03:32 |
| jjesse | vorian: girfriend beating you up again | 03:37 |
| vorian | nay, work | 03:37 |
| === mcasadevall is now known as NCommander | ||
| freeflying | we have kubuntu-netbook-remix? | 04:22 |
| ScottK | freeflying: Working on a Kubuntu Netbook Edition. | 04:23 |
| freeflying | ScottK: cool | 04:28 |
| === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh | ||
| Riddell | Nightrose: where is amarok 1.2 due? | 09:48 |
| jussi01 | Riddell: nice typo :D | 09:53 |
| Riddell | when | 09:53 |
| Mamarok | hm, Amarok 1.2... | 09:54 |
| Mamarok | not your day? | 09:54 |
| Mamarok | Riddell: end of the week FWIK | 09:55 |
| Nightrose | Riddell: tomorrow | 10:12 |
| Nightrose | late in the day | 10:12 |
| === agateau_ is now known as agateau | ||
| Riddell | qjson hasn't built, buildds must be having a post UDS rush | 10:52 |
| Riddell | hmm bug 334052 and bug 330811 don't have great feedback | 13:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 334052 in plasma-widget-network-manager "Network Manager Plasmoid won't connect to "WPA Enterprise" AP's in Jaunty" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/334052 | 13:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 330811 in plasma-widget-network-manager "Can't connect to a hidden network" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/330811 | 13:02 |
| Riddell | not sure what to do with plasma-w-n-m now | 13:02 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: as I see it they are both not regressions from jaunty, so they shouldn't stop the moving the -updates | 13:19 |
| apachelogger | the bugs shoudl be reopened and reinvestigated though | 13:20 |
| apachelogger | they are just not fixed yet :) so another option would be to just delay the move to -updates and get those 2 issues resolved first | 13:20 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: but then what does it fix.. pitti will want bug numbers | 13:33 |
| Hobbsee | hrm. konversation marker lines don't work anymore. | 13:40 |
| Hobbsee | and the graphics corrupt, under compiz. | 13:40 |
| JontheEchidna | All of the KDE packages are FTBFS: http://paste.ubuntu.com/186507/ | 13:41 |
| JontheEchidna | right after CMake does its install stuff | 13:41 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: needs debhelper.mk included I'd say | 13:42 |
| JontheEchidna | hmm, shouldn't kde.mk include that then? | 13:42 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: for some reason most cdbs class files don't include debhelper.mk, never worked out why | 13:43 |
| ryanakca | help | 13:44 |
| ryanakca | oops, wrong channel, that was for &bitlbee :) | 13:44 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: ? | 13:44 |
| Riddell | oh phew, so long as you're not having a heart attack | 13:44 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: hehe, anything I can help with though? | 13:45 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: thanks | 13:45 |
| * ryanakca was told to stay home today so that I don't spread this blasted cold to everybody at school | 13:46 | |
| Riddell | ryanakca: beta 2 ninja time is due later today | 13:46 |
| Riddell | not sure when though | 13:46 |
| ryanakca | ... meaning? | 13:46 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: meaning beta 2 is being tagged and we should get tars that'll need packaging | 13:47 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: oh you could test 4.2.4 if you have jaunty around | 13:47 |
| Riddell | or a chroot | 13:47 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: could I throw a few packages needing main sponsorship at you? | 13:47 |
| Riddell | nice to actually test things before we release them | 13:47 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: you could | 13:48 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Interesting concept. | 13:48 |
| ScottK | ;-) | 13:48 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: Ah, where can I find the tarballs? And what repository should I add to test 4.2.4? | 13:48 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Did you see the draft Kubuntu Netbook Edition spec I did? | 13:48 |
| JontheEchidna | bug 381142, bug 380947 and bug 382508 | 13:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 381142 in plasma-widget-quickaccess "New upstream release (QuickAccess 0.8.1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/381142 | 13:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 380947 in gtk2-engines-qtcurve "Please sponsor gtk2-engines-qtcurve 0.62.8-0ubuntu2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/380947 | 13:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 382508 in libkipi "Request for removal (source and binary)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/382508 | 13:48 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: tars will appear on the ktown server when they appear, not yet it seems | 13:50 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: 4.2.4 is in ~kubuntu-experimental I think | 13:50 |
| Riddell | ScottK: no, where's that? | 13:51 |
| ScottK | Riddell: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-karmic-netbook-edition | 13:51 |
| ScottK | We didn't have a UDS session on it, but Tonio, rgreening, and I talked about it in the evenings a fair bit. | 13:51 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: Ah, look at that, I'm already running it. I haven't run into any issues yet, but I'll prod around, any places I should particularly prod/test? | 13:53 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: nothing paticular I don't think, if you're using it in normal use that's great | 13:54 |
| ryanakca | Oooh, kobby 1.0b3 is out, *upgrades the packages* | 13:55 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: we still have merges in https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html and https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html if you want to tidy those up | 13:57 |
| ryanakca | Will do | 13:58 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: all done thanks | 13:59 |
| Riddell | New queue is now only six days long! | 13:59 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: also could you test amarok from deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main for jaunty | 14:02 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: Sure | 14:03 |
| ryanakca | Could someone running 4.2.4 help me try to reproduce messed up notifications from Kopete? I have one that doesn't seem to want to disappear, regardless of how many times I hit view or ignore... | 14:03 |
| === fjlacoste is now known as flacoste | ||
| Riddell | vorian: ^^ ? | 14:04 |
| Riddell | ScottK: "Test/Demo Plan" seems lacking | 14:04 |
| Riddell | ScottK: what would the arm version be tested on? | 14:04 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Agreed. I need to do some more investigation on it. | 14:04 |
| === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan | ||
| Quintasan | hiho | 14:05 |
| vorian | ryanakca / Riddell, let me check | 14:09 |
| Riddell | ScottK: does ubuntu netbook remix do ARM? | 14:10 |
| ScottK | Riddell: No, they just did it on lpia (now i386), but AFAIK there is no official product for armel yet. | 14:11 |
| Riddell | ScottK: so why do you include ARM in the spec? what's the use case? | 14:11 |
| ScottK | I've seen KDE running on small arm devices like N810 and freerunner. | 14:11 |
| ScottK | I need to investigate specific platforms (those use older arm devices, so wouldn't be a target for us), but I believe it's reasonably doable. | 14:12 |
| Riddell | that's the trouble with ARM, each device is different from the other, hard to make a generally installable medium | 14:13 |
| freeflying | ScottK: most of the armel device only have opengles support | 14:13 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I want to see Kubuntu everywhere, so I put it in because it's a place we might be able to get. | 14:13 |
| freeflying | ScottK: but UNR needs opengl | 14:13 |
| ScottK | I guess the question (I don't know the answer) is does the Plamsa MID shell need opengl? | 14:13 |
| freeflying | seems like so :) | 14:14 |
| ScottK | Seems it does. | 14:15 |
| ScottK | Riddell: OK, based on opengl, I think armel should come out. Just i386 | 14:15 |
| * ScottK edits | 14:15 | |
| Riddell | hmm, then how does KDE work on the n810? | 14:16 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: well, works, but not fast | 14:16 |
| ScottK | Riddell: It's slow, but it was usable. It was seele's (KDE 4.1.something) and I saw it a while ago, so I'd think it's better now. | 14:17 |
| seele | is someone finally maintaining packages for the n810? i gave up on it months ago because all that was available is 4.1 | 14:17 |
| seele | ScottK: you *can* run something like kspread but that doesnt mean you *should* :) | 14:18 |
| * seele was messing with her n810 the other day | 14:18 | |
| seele | i fried my 8gig sim card.. trying to see if i can restore it somehow | 14:18 |
| ScottK | seele: Would you be up for reviewing the IRC client spec and making some priority recommendations for the items listed? | 14:19 |
| seele | ScottK: is this quassel vs. konversation? | 14:19 |
| ScottK | seele: Yes. | 14:19 |
| seele | sigh, sure. i dont like where this might head though | 14:20 |
| ScottK | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicIrc | 14:20 |
| seele | s-c-p probably needs reviewed too | 14:20 |
| seele | hmm.. i have a todo page somehwere i should update for karmic | 14:21 |
| seele | ScottK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/seele/KarmicTODO | 14:29 |
| seele | feel free to dump stuff there you think i should look at | 14:29 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 14:29 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: Amarok starts up with an error message: "There are exceptions caught in the script 'Librivox.org'. Please refer to the log." | 14:29 |
| ryanakca | And then the same for Lyricwiki.... | 14:29 |
| Riddell | Nightrose: ^^ | 14:31 |
| Nightrose | ryanakca: start from command line please - looks like qtscriptgenerator problems | 14:31 |
| ryanakca | Nightrose: jaunty, packages from kubuntu-ppa | 14:31 |
| Nightrose | which version? | 14:32 |
| ryanakca | Nightrose: 2:2.1mysql5.1.30-0ubuntu2~jaunty1 >> amarok --debug ~ | 14:37 |
| ryanakca | >> amarok --debug ~ | 14:38 |
| ryanakca | Gah, *kicks copy/paste* | 14:38 |
| ryanakca | http://paste.ubuntu.com/186546/ | 14:38 |
| * Nightrose looks | 14:38 | |
| Riddell | hmm, maybe our qtscript packages aren't working | 14:38 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: should the qtscript packages in kubuntu experimental work? | 14:39 |
| Nightrose | bah - can't access the pastebin right now sorry | 14:39 |
| Nightrose | Riddell: ryanakca: can you talk to nhnfreespirit? | 14:39 |
| Nightrose | he was looking into this problem | 14:40 |
| Nightrose | already happened with beta 1 | 14:40 |
| Nightrose | (which is why we wanted to have beta 2 testing :/) | 14:40 |
| Nightrose | i need to go back to some VTK hacking | 14:40 |
| ryanakca | Sure | 14:40 |
| neversfelde | same problem with the karmic version | 14:44 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: of amarok? | 14:45 |
| neversfelde | yes | 14:45 |
| Riddell | humph. works for me | 14:45 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: do you have qtscript-tools installed? | 14:45 |
| neversfelde | no | 14:46 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: try installing that and seeing if it helps | 14:46 |
| Riddell | also libqtscript4-core | 14:46 |
| yuriy | kwwii: ping | 14:47 |
| neversfelde | Riddell: no warning message anymore, seems to work now | 14:47 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: after installing qtscript-tools ? | 14:48 |
| neversfelde | yes, it pulls in libqtscript4-core, too | 14:48 |
| Riddell | ok, groovy, guess we need that as a depends | 14:48 |
| neversfelde | also the script widget is now working | 14:49 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: on the topic of kdegraphics cruft removal, libkdcraw can be removed too | 14:50 |
| neversfelde | Riddell: shall I create a bug report for this? | 14:50 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: naw, I can fix it directly | 14:52 |
| neversfelde | k | 14:52 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: ok | 14:52 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: all done | 14:53 |
| JontheEchidna | nice | 14:53 |
| * JontheEchidna commits kdegraphics changes to bzr | 14:53 | |
| Riddell | ScottK: any idea what the status of mseide-msegui is? | 14:55 |
| Riddell | I see your name on bug 363464 | 14:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 363464 in mseide-msegui "Please remove mseide-msegui source and all binaries from Jaunty" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/363464 | 14:55 |
| Riddell | version 1.8-1 is in New queue but 1.8-1ubuntu1 was at one time in jaunty | 14:56 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: libkexiv2 too | 14:56 |
| ScottK | Riddell: IIRC it should be fine for Karmic. I just asked it removed from Jaunty as most of the needed packages didn't make it into the release. | 14:57 |
| ScottK | Someone should fakesync that to a higher revision then. | 14:57 |
| Riddell | right | 14:57 |
| * Riddell wonders how to do that | 14:58 | |
| Riddell | New queue down to 26 hours old! | 14:58 |
| ScottK | Grab it from New, slap a ubuntu2 revision entry in there an upload? | 14:58 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, libkexiv2 is gone since jaunty | 14:59 |
| JontheEchidna | nevermind | 14:59 |
| * ScottK will be back from $WORK in about 10 hours. | 14:59 | |
| ScottK | Working offline this week and next. | 14:59 |
| kwwii | yuriy: pong | 15:11 |
| ryanakca | Were we still keeping KDE3/Qt3 apps? | 15:15 |
| rgreening | ryanakca: the hope is to get rid of them if possible | 15:18 |
| rgreening | kwwii: hey man :) | 15:19 |
| ryanakca | rgreening: ... so, with kobby, we could ditch mateedit ? | 15:19 |
| rgreening | ryanakca: what is mateedit? | 15:19 |
| Riddell | I suspect mateedit is long since unmaintained | 15:19 |
| ryanakca | rgreening: Description: collaborative editor for KDE ... apt-cache show mateedit | 15:19 |
| rgreening | I'd send it to the recycle bin :) | 15:20 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: the website hasn't been updated since 2005 | 15:20 |
| Tonio_ | hi | 15:21 |
| Riddell | hi Tonio_ | 15:21 |
| ryanakca | hi Tonio_ | 15:21 |
| Tonio_ | shouldn't amarok depend on libqtscript4-qtbindings ? | 15:22 |
| Tonio_ | scripts are broken here unless I install this... | 15:22 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: yes | 15:23 |
| Tonio_ | kk I'm doing the update then | 15:23 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: in karmic or in jaunty? | 15:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: karmic | 15:28 |
| Tonio_ | uploaded | 15:29 |
| Tonio_ | pffff the builds are long to perform on soyuz | 15:33 |
| Riddell | mm hmm | 15:33 |
| Tonio_ | I fixed a little lib (libgcal) for akonadi-googledata to build, 24 hours ago, and it's not finished yet | 15:33 |
| Tonio_ | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgcal/0.9.0-1ubuntu1 | 15:33 |
| Tonio_ | Queued: 16 hours ago | 15:34 |
| Tonio_ | Estimated build start: in 4 hours | 15:34 |
| Tonio_ | argh ! | 15:34 |
| Tonio_ | same for qjson... that's why I still didn't upload kopete-facebook | 15:35 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: you can upload it, it'll just dep wait | 15:36 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: k-d-s. I think we should turn Previews back on in Dolphin by defualt | 15:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I wanna be sure it builds first.... my first upload had a missing build-dep | 15:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, has it been removed in kds ? if so that's bad... | 15:38 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: well it doesn't seem to be on by default any more | 15:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: oki changing this | 15:40 |
| Riddell | super | 15:40 |
| maco | is the panel supposed to resize to "however big is needed" within the constraints of min & max sizes? karmic's seems to just stick to the min size, period, end of story, even if it means cutting some plasmoids in half | 15:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: talking about the icons preview or the preview pane ? | 15:42 |
| Riddell | maco: I don't follow, the panel should be 100% width unless set otherwise | 15:42 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: icon previews (preview pane is on and should remain so) | 15:42 |
| maco | i'm talking about the "set otherwise" | 15:42 |
| maco | you know how you can set a min & max width? | 15:42 |
| maco | that makes it *seem* like it should resize automatically to try to fit all the plasmoids at their natural sizes, but cannot be smaller than some amount nor larger than other set amount | 15:43 |
| maco | however, when i set a minimum size that is smaller than absolutely necessary to display all plasmoids, it'll just cut my pager in half instead of growing to "bigger than minimum, but smaller than maximum" | 15:44 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum I wonder where this is stored, no change in .kde/share/config when I change the view settings... | 15:45 |
| kwwii | rgreening: hey | 15:45 |
| Tonio_ | yop kwwii, rgreening | 15:45 |
| Tonio_ | hum that's in apps... too bad | 15:46 |
| Riddell | maco: oh wow, my panel is horribly broken now | 15:46 |
| Riddell | the applets are all on top of each other | 15:46 |
| Riddell | remind me never to play with plasma settings again | 15:46 |
| maco | even without resizing the panel, my kicker was sitting on top of the tray | 15:46 |
| maco | figuring out how to grab it to move it was an exercise in frustration | 15:47 |
| maco | and why did the upgrade rearrange everything into a heap and throw my panel to the bottom of the screen? i thought settings like that were supposed to persist | 15:47 |
| maco | by the way, regarindt he pager and its behaviour when you click the current workspace, i *think* it is determined by the value (0,1,2) of...well, find plugin=pager and note its container and applet #s then find the configuration section for the same container & applet #s, then its currentDesktopSelected=2 | 15:48 |
| maco | s/regarindt/regarding/ | 15:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the easiest way to get this set on by default is patching ./src/settings/dolphin_directoryviewpropertysettings.kcfg | 15:50 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: nevermind if I do that ? | 15:50 |
| * ryanakca headdesks because of maintainers and bloody inline patches :/ | 15:50 | |
| maco | ryanakca, sorry | 15:51 |
| maco | i've done plenty of those | 15:51 |
| Riddell | maco: well I guess test with beta 2 next week and moan to plasma people if it's still broken | 15:52 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: no way to just have a setting in k-d-s? | 15:52 |
| ryanakca | maco: Outch, use quilt, very easy to use... add an include to debian/rules and add it as a build-dep, then just go "quilt push -a; quilt new patch_name.diff, quilt edit filename; quilt refresh; quilt pop -a" :) | 15:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: with share/apps entries, that's pretty crap, really | 15:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and pretty random too :) | 15:53 |
| maco | ryanakca, -_- i just break things when i try quilt | 15:53 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well it'll just be a one line patch, not hard to maintain as this shouldn't change in the future on upstream side | 15:53 |
| maco | though..hrm | 15:53 |
| maco | question! | 15:53 |
| maco | is it valid to start the patch management stuff then at the part where you'd normally edit files, just run the "patch" command on it and then tell it you're done "editing"? | 15:54 |
| yuriy | wow the now playing widget is really clever, it only shows pause and next in the panel | 15:54 |
| Lure | Tonio_: thanks for taking care about mlt/kdenlive, but I see two problems with mlt package when trying to backport to jaunty: | 15:55 |
| yuriy | kwwii: I can start working on a list of OO.o icons I haven't found in Oxygen. What can I do with such a list? | 15:55 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: which are ? | 15:55 |
| Lure | Tonio_: usr/bin is not packaged (/usr/bin/melt is required by kdenlive) | 15:55 |
| maco | Tonio_, i think he was typing ;) | 15:55 |
| Lure | Tonio_: and libmlt++2 is empty (libmlt++1.install has to be renamed) | 15:56 |
| ryanakca | maco: ... not sure if I understand, "patch" command? as in /usr/bin/patch ? or quilt? | 15:56 |
| maco | as in /usr/bin/patch | 15:56 |
| maco | like after the "quilt new" part | 15:56 |
| maco | then run /usr/bin/patch with whatever patch you need to add | 15:56 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: you're right... | 15:57 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: testing all of this was on my plans for today... fixing | 15:57 |
| Lure | Tonio_: no problem, I just wanted to do my next video editing with new version, that is why I started backport sooner ;-) | 15:57 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yup yup | 15:58 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: new mlt package was a pain to do since they merged mlt++ in it | 15:58 |
| Lure | Tonio_: yep | 15:58 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: and I couldn't get anyone to review, so I pushed on considering "if you broke everything, you'll be aware soon !!" :) | 15:58 |
| Tonio_ | best way to get your changes reviewed sometimes :) | 15:58 |
| Lure | Tonio_: true that ;-) | 15:59 |
| Lure | and not many on karmic anyhow, so not much damage | 15:59 |
| ryanakca | maco: Not sure, you could quilt push -a; quilt import yourpatch.diff; quilt refresh; quilt pop -a | 15:59 |
| Lure | Tonio_: btw, my jaunty packages are in this ppa: https://edge.launchpad.net/~lure/+archive/video | 16:00 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: right | 16:01 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I just did temporary fix and added usr/bin to libmlt1.install ;-) | 16:01 |
| Tonio_ | oki let's fix it then :) | 16:01 |
| rgreening | shtylman: ping | 16:02 |
| yuriy | just had a thought - even if we switch to arora, apps that embed khtml like akregator will still be using it, so some pages will look different | 16:03 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kdebase uploaded with the dolphin patch | 16:04 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: your turn !! | 16:04 |
| Lure | Tonio_: still not sure if we need "mlt" package for binaries (and kdenlive to depend on it) | 16:05 |
| Lure | Tonio_: this command looks like very internal, but it still is not a library ;-) | 16:05 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: where was it with previous uploads ? I think it wasn't installed right ? | 16:06 |
| Tonio_ | that's why I didn't install it... | 16:06 |
| Tonio_ | maybe a new package would be good indeed | 16:06 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I think it is new binary | 16:06 |
| Lure | Tonio_: before mlt was library only | 16:06 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I don't think so, but anyway | 16:06 |
| * Lure checks | 16:06 | |
| Tonio_ | Lure: we had a anigo binary before, so there it is, we should have an mlt one | 16:06 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: call for bug reports :D | 16:09 |
| apachelogger | I certanly think that WPA 2 auth is working better | 16:09 |
| apachelogger | also autoconnect didnt work | 16:09 |
| Lure | Tonio_: there was /usr/bin/mlt-config | 16:09 |
| Lure | in libmlt-dev | 16:09 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: kk | 16:09 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: what for the desc ? | 16:09 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: re play dvd removal : the three menu entries should be replaced with some "play disc" thingy | 16:09 |
| apachelogger | at the very most | 16:10 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: merci | 16:10 |
| apachelogger | I find the whole entry rather useless, the only usecase I would imagine for it would be that you were watching a video while inserting the dvd | 16:10 |
| apachelogger | and then you want to watch the dvd | 16:10 |
| apachelogger | then again that is why the start tabs content should be used in the playback tab when no video is playing | 16:11 |
| apachelogger | the black widget aint much good looking either | 16:11 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: de rien :) | 16:11 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I think mlt replaces inigo | 16:11 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: Inigo is a powerful multitrack command line oriented video editor. | 16:12 |
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| apachelogger | ok | 16:12 |
| apachelogger | seriously | 16:12 |
| Lure | Tonio_: it seems inigo is renamed to melt: http://www.mltframework.org/twiki/bin/view/MLT/ExtremeMakeover | 16:12 |
| apachelogger | someone do something about that topic | 16:13 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yup | 16:13 |
| Lure | Tonio_: so we should rename inigo package to melt and do Conflicts/Replaces | 16:14 |
| Lure | Tonio_: btw, there is one in Debian already: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/melt | 16:15 |
| Lure | Tonio_: so we should rather merge | 16:15 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: done here | 16:15 |
| Tonio_ | hum when did they do that ? | 16:15 |
| Tonio_ | wasn't there yesterday | 16:15 |
| Lure | Tonio_: not sure, that I got on google now ;-) | 16:16 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: okay they did exactly the same thing as me... what a waste of time | 16:16 |
| Lure | Tonio_: that is why working on debian alioth svn is probably the way to go | 16:17 |
| Tonio_ | since I wanted to sync with them... | 16:17 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: true, in a certain way | 16:17 |
| * Lure tries to merge digikam/kipi-plugins ubuntu changes back to debian that way | 16:18 | |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I uploaded debian's package for sync | 16:18 |
| * Lure has to run | 16:20 | |
| neversfelde | Tonio_: k3b 1.66 offers to install libk3b3-extracodecs and not libk3b6-extracodecs, is this correct? | 16:30 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: of course not :) | 16:31 |
| neversfelde | :) | 16:32 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: at least the patch works, which is pretty cool :) | 16:32 |
| neversfelde | hehe, yes it works fine | 16:34 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: I really like this mecanism | 16:36 |
| neversfelde | +1 it is very userfriendly | 16:36 |
| Tonio_ | rekonq is on review, can someone look at it please ? | 16:37 |
| Tonio_ | as well as frescobaldi, for which nobody cares for months... | 16:37 |
| Tonio_ | that would be very nice :) | 16:37 |
| shtylman | rgreening: here | 16:41 |
| rgreening | hey shtylman | 16:41 |
| shtylman | howdy | 16:41 |
| rgreening | do you remember the nick of the guy who was in the ubiquity session with us? The one who is going to help also with usb-creator? | 16:42 |
| rgreening | I wanted to ping him on usb-creator | 16:42 |
| shtylman | hm...nope...I do not..sorry :/ | 16:42 |
| rgreening | hmm.. crud | 16:43 |
| rgreening | Tonio_: ^^ | 16:43 |
| rgreening | maybe Tonio_ remembers | 16:43 |
| rgreening | :) | 16:43 |
| rgreening | my brain is fille dwith cold/flu fluids.. cant think | 16:43 |
| rgreening | *sniff* | 16:44 |
| shtylman | man...you too eh? | 16:44 |
| shtylman | Riddell also got owned ... | 16:44 |
| rgreening | ya | 16:44 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: shtylman ? who else ? | 16:44 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: I wasn't there at the ubiquity one | 16:45 |
| rgreening | Tonio_: was the same guy in the usb-creator | 16:45 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: evan ? | 16:46 |
| Riddell | evand is the usb creator guy | 16:46 |
| Tonio_ | yup | 16:47 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: Evan Dandrea | 16:47 |
| rgreening | Thanks Riddell/Tonio_ | 16:48 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: yw | 16:48 |
| maco | apachelogger, hrmm what about wpa2? | 16:50 |
| JontheEchidna | Tonio_: rekonq's packaging looks good, but the long description looks iffy imo | 16:50 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: I wasn't greatly inspired to be honnest.... I just did a copy/paste from upstream's website | 16:51 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: feel free to write any better one :) | 16:51 |
| JontheEchidna | ok | 16:51 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: if you propose me any better one, I'll fix and upload | 16:52 |
| apachelogger | maco: didn't work in stock jaunty network-manager plasmoid | 16:56 |
| apachelogger | it certainly does with what is in proposed | 16:56 |
| JontheEchidna | Tonio_: How's this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/186635/ | 16:57 |
| maco | and here i go, upgrading to karmic where even *normal* WPA doesn't work with the nm plasmoid! pffft my timing sucks! | 16:57 |
| apachelogger | maco: well, karmic might still have the same svn snapshot jaunty has | 16:57 |
| apachelogger | the new one is only in proposed AFAIK | 16:57 |
| maco | nah, jaunty worked for normal WPA, just not WPA2 | 16:58 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: not bad :) | 16:59 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: can I upload fixing the desc then ? | 16:59 |
| JontheEchidna | Tonio_: oh, it might be good if I testbuild first | 16:59 |
| apachelogger | maco: maybe we have a regression at hand? | 16:59 |
| JontheEchidna | Tonio_: but probably it would be ok to upload | 16:59 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: ho sure ! ;) | 17:00 |
| maco | apachelogger, yar | 17:00 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: I'll wait for your permission | 17:00 |
| apachelogger | maco: does your AP only support WPA? | 17:00 |
| * apachelogger would find it weird to use WPA when WPA2 is available :P | 17:00 | |
| maco | i'm not sure my roommate's laptop supports WPA2 | 17:00 |
| apachelogger | should check | 17:01 |
| maco | its running windows...i dont know how | 17:01 |
| apachelogger | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_Protected_Access#WPA2 | 17:01 |
| apachelogger | maco: just change the AP to WPA2 and see if the laptop still connects :) | 17:01 |
| maco | heh | 17:01 |
| maco | well i'm moving out over the course of this week anyway. person i'm living with now does, i think, have all wpa2-able hardware. we just have no internets in the new place yet :P | 17:02 |
| apachelogger | oh dear | 17:02 |
| apachelogger | no intartubes access is horrible | 17:02 |
| ryanakca | Anybody know of an easy to use repo managing app? I used to use Seveas' falcon, but it doesn't seem to work on hardy anymore and requires python2.4 :/ | 17:03 |
| JontheEchidna | Tonio_: oh, there isn't an XSBC-Original-Maintainer | 17:03 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: hum true | 17:03 |
| * apachelogger remembered that awkward time last summer when they "accidently" cut the street's landline | 17:03 | |
| apachelogger | oh dear | 17:03 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: not necessary :P | 17:03 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: fixed | 17:03 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: the are loads of them | 17:03 |
| apachelogger | search help.ubuntu.com | 17:04 |
| ryanakca | Tonio_: Packaging rekonq? | 17:04 |
| apachelogger | apt-ftparchive being the simplest of those | 17:04 |
| apachelogger | it really just dumps the binary files in $folder | 17:04 |
| nixternal | oi oi | 17:04 |
| apachelogger | so if you want to have a pocket based system you might want to look into something different :D | 17:05 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: yup | 17:05 |
| ryanakca | Tonio_: feel like getting it into Debian? | 17:05 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: why not, but I'll not be the one doing this :) | 17:06 |
| JontheEchidna | If only arora had session management/tab restoration after crashes... | 17:06 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: I don't really care, I just want a way to get libqinfinity in a repo so that I can use it while compiling kobby for sid... | 17:06 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: I decided to stop this 3 years ago since I got tired of getting ignored whenever I used my @ubuntu.com address | 17:06 |
| Tonio_ | and answered when using the @gmail.com one | 17:06 |
| * JontheEchidna finds it a pain to open up all his tabs in the proper order every time he opens arora | 17:06 | |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: anyway, they can merge my package if they want it | 17:06 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: that's arch, I know :) | 17:07 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: but anyone wanting my package is free to sync | 17:07 |
| JontheEchidna | Tonio_: ship it! | 17:07 |
| JontheEchidna | looks just fine here :) | 17:07 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: kk I fixed the 2 issues you mentionned | 17:08 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: uploaded thanks :) | 17:08 |
| JontheEchidna | you're welcome | 17:08 |
| * JontheEchidna tries rekonq | 17:08 | |
| Tonio_ | now if someone could *please* revu frescobaldi.... it's been waiting in revu for month... | 17:08 |
| Tonio_ | and I don't want to override the revu proces... | 17:09 |
| apachelogger | tag it with kde or qt :P | 17:09 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: rekonq contains GPL 3 in COPYING but is GPL 2 in source | 17:09 |
| apachelogger | Synopsis: LilyPond sheet music editor for KDE4 | 17:10 |
| JontheEchidna | doh, missed that | 17:10 |
| apachelogger | aint no goody | 17:10 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: that can be accepted into the archive fine (GPL 2 can be upgraded) but it's a bit weird | 17:10 |
| apachelogger | why would I care that it is KDE 4? | 17:10 |
| ryanakca | Tonio_: Hehe, I've been waiting for months to get it into Debian, builds fine under karmic, but it doesn't under sid... because lilypond has been broken for ages | 17:10 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, you're right, I'll ping upstream about that | 17:10 |
| apachelogger | I mean besides the fact that we used KDE 4 all across instead of KDE4 | 17:10 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: still last week, I sent 3 debdiffs using my ubuntu account, got ignored | 17:10 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: and everytime I use another address, it's okay | 17:11 |
| apachelogger | why would I, as user, care about it being for KDE 4, considering I don't have a KDE 3 desktop available from non-3rd-party-sources and I probably won't care either if I was using gnome or xfce | 17:11 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: I'm sick of waisting my time with debian on that point... | 17:11 |
| Riddell | kb9vqf has loads of stuff on revu! | 17:11 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: when I send a fix or anything, 50% go in 50% is waste of time... | 17:11 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: I may be very unlucky, but I don't want to work with people who don't accept collaboration | 17:11 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: collaborate with others is the reason I'm doing free software | 17:12 |
| ryanakca | Tonio_: *nod*, do you have a sponsor or do you just wait for someone to pick it up? It's incredibly fast with a sponsor, a day or two and it gets uploaded | 17:12 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: I know my opinion about that is arch, especially since I have lots of friends at debian | 17:12 |
| Riddell | the mysterious usrlp just added Kubuntu/UbuntuFeatureParity to KubuntuKarmicSpecs | 17:12 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: I don't have a sponsor no, since I decided to stop sending emails 3 years ago except for very specific packages whom I know the maintainer well, fabo for example | 17:13 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: my work is open source, so if they decide to repackage something they miss and we don't already have, I don't see why I should do that for them | 17:13 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: that's usr, he's been annoying apachelogger and myself in the bug tracker for ages ;-) | 17:13 |
| ryanakca | *nod* | 17:14 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: and he registered a session at UDS which somehow got accepted | 17:14 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: they are waisting a lot of energy not merging our packages when working on them, that's not my problem, especially since I tried to collaborate, and got mostly rejected... | 17:14 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: and yeah, I know, I should be ass kicked speaking like this... ^^ | 17:15 |
| maco | does kubuntu include a cd burner by default? | 17:15 |
| maco | (on that feature parity topic) | 17:15 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: anyway, I still love debian, just than my personal experience with them has been bad in the past, period :) | 17:15 |
| ryanakca | maco: k3b | 17:15 |
| ryanakca | Tonio_: *nod*, I had the same issues, but the -fr people are quite welcomming and now that I have a sponsor, it's not all that bad | 17:16 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: yeah and that's what I HATE about that | 17:17 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: have a sponsor ? you are respectable | 17:18 |
| Tonio_ | no sponsor ? then you're just a pet | 17:18 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: and it's because we do the exact opposite than I contribute to ubuntu, and not to fedora or opensuse :) | 17:19 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: so technically I should contribute to debian | 17:19 |
| maco | ryanakca, ok i wasnt sure if that was included on the cd since its still qt3 | 17:19 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: but my ethics is to contribute to the most opened community only :) | 17:19 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: and to me my ethics is more important than the technical things, otherwise I would do bsd or osx stuff :) | 17:20 |
| ryanakca | maco: I don't know about karmic, but it's here on jaunty... | 17:20 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: and that's all thanks to Riddell :) since he invited me when I wanted to learn and didn't knew anything about packaging | 17:20 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: when debian just told me to come back in 2 years, after having learned about the policy and packaging guide... :) | 17:21 |
| ryanakca | :) | 17:21 |
| * Tonio_ must have been very unlucky | 17:21 | |
| Tonio_ | so I assume you can understand than when they came back 6 month later to ask me to contribute to debian instead, I was like.... | 17:22 |
| Tonio_ | unlikelly to accept :) | 17:22 |
| maco | ryanakca, i honestly have not looked through the menu to see what is included by default. i have the apps i want installed, and i launch them like this: mod+shift+enter (to open a shell in xmonad), type in "nohup <command> &" mod+shift+c (to close the shell) | 17:22 |
| ryanakca | Tonio_: Of course | 17:22 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: the time I decided to stop was after sending 5 debdifs for kdepim to fix packaging issues | 17:23 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: none of them got any response, so I tried using an anonimous address a few weeks later, all accepted... | 17:23 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: that was my last collaboration attempt :) | 17:23 |
| * Tonio_ hugs Riddell for never rejecting n00bs :) | 17:24 | |
| ryanakca | Tonio_: Mind you, I think Debian has pretty much gotten over the Ubuntu/Debian rift... | 17:24 |
| ryanakca | I would think anyways, or hope... | 17:25 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: not by ethics, but by obvious choice | 17:25 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: and if they really do, then they should merge my rekonq package right ? | 17:25 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: here is the deal, let's see what happens when they'll package it ;) | 17:25 |
| ryanakca | Tonio_: it hasn't been packaged yet, but there is an ITP for it... | 17:25 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: yes, and if it goes in ubuntu first, then eventually it'll be merged right ? | 17:26 |
| Tonio_ | we'll see ;) | 17:26 |
| Tonio_ | JontheEchidna: archiving rekonq on revu | 17:32 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: frescobaldi reviewed | 17:37 |
| ryanakca | Should I get the konversation packaging under a bzr branch on LP? | 17:38 |
| apachelogger | sure | 17:38 |
| * Tonio_ wonders if we should make kdenlive part of the distro... | 17:42 | |
| Tonio_ | sure it needs multiverse components, but we can use update-notifier-kde to install them | 17:42 |
| Tonio_ | and both windows and osx have a video editor installed by default... | 17:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: couldn't that be considered when we drop kdelibs4 deps ? | 17:44 |
| JontheEchidna | hotness: http://imagebin.ca/view/a2W7MT.html | 17:49 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: drop kdelibs4 deps from what? | 17:50 |
| JontheEchidna | ^My default desktop proposal, though my screenshot is missing folderview | 17:50 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: frmo the cd :) | 17:51 |
| maco | JontheEchidna, nice :D | 17:52 |
| * JontheEchidna hopes the Air theme is included in beta2 | 17:52 | |
| Riddell | Tonio_: we only have one and shtylman is working on it | 17:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes I know, but that'll make some space free | 17:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: so I was wondering if kdenlive shouldn't fit on the cd... | 17:53 |
| Tonio_ | unless it is technically condamned to multiverse | 17:53 |
| Nightrose | Tonio_: i wanted to use kdenlive for some video editing 2 days ago (just add sound) | 17:53 |
| Nightrose | it was a nightmare :( | 17:53 |
| Tonio_ | Nightrose: really ? | 17:54 |
| Nightrose | i gave up in the end | 17:54 |
| Tonio_ | Nightrose: lots of people seem to like it except it isn't as stable as it should | 17:54 |
| Nightrose | someone more into video editing might judge it differently | 17:54 |
| Nightrose | but I just couldn't make it do what i wanted it | 17:54 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: we're 70MB oversized | 17:55 |
| JontheEchidna | oh | 17:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ouch... | 17:55 |
| Nightrose | hehe | 17:55 |
| Nightrose | guess that solves it | 17:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well on the dvd at least :) | 17:55 |
| JontheEchidna | we're probably 70 MB over because kdeplasma-addons now has plasma-wallpapers-addons which depends on both the wallpapers from kdebase and kdeartwork | 17:55 |
| maco | JontheEchidna, oh, i'd say the text on the panel (i think thats part of the plasma theme?) isnt dark enough / high enough contrast, though the theme itself looks nice | 17:55 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: sure, if you want to get rid of the multiverse deps and do the main inclusion report for it and any remaining deps | 17:56 |
| Riddell | but it has complex libraries and they may not get through MIR | 17:56 |
| rgreening | Tonio_: I have branched the latest usb-creator and have in under lp:~roderick-greening/usb-creator/kde-frontend | 17:56 |
| JontheEchidna | maco: yeah, the oxygen team really outdid itself with the Air theme, it rocks | 17:56 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: just a thought, mlt in main it pretty harad, that's true | 17:57 |
| rgreening | Tonio_: I subscribed you to that branch so you can see what changes, etc I make. | 17:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but the latest upstream release avoids code duplication, so why not | 17:57 |
| JontheEchidna | though I can't see how you could make the panel text any more black... perhaps you just don't like my font settings ;) | 17:57 |
| Tonio_ | multiverse deps can be installed the way we do for k3b for example | 17:57 |
| Tonio_ | atm I wonder why latest kdenlive upload ftbfs... weird... | 17:57 |
| JontheEchidna | my amarok broke :( | 17:58 |
| maco | JontheEchidna, it looks grey when i look at the screenshot | 17:58 |
| * Tonio_ notice we should ship with a default kdenliverc file too in kds | 17:59 | |
| JontheEchidna | maco: probably jpeg artifacts | 17:59 |
| Tonio_ | major universe apps shoul also get their nagscreen removed and so on | 17:59 |
| JontheEchidna | so after the latest updates my amarok is just sitting there "updating system configuration." :( | 18:02 |
| JontheEchidna | no splash screen or anything | 18:02 |
| apachelogger | so | 18:06 |
| apachelogger | it is 7 pm and I am so drunk that I almost fell over | 18:06 |
| apachelogger | I guess that is no good | 18:06 |
| JontheEchidna | purging and reinstalling amarok fixed it | 18:10 |
| maco | Sput, feature request: "mark as away on all networks" | 18:16 |
| * maco back to being away | 18:16 | |
| jussi01 | maco: file a bug report? | 18:19 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: impressive review for frescobaldi :) that quick... | 18:33 |
| Mamarok | what is frescobaldi? | 18:34 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: also, lots of applications have very hight initialpreference, especially kde 4 apps... | 18:37 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: grep -re InitialPre /usr/share/applications | 18:37 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: most of them should not | 18:38 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: sure | 18:38 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: I'll ping upstream about that, but won't patch, are you okay about that ? | 18:38 |
| Tonio_ | also what to do about mo files ? | 18:38 |
| apachelogger | really, IMHO that stanza should only be used by distros or for core utils like say dolphin | 18:38 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: I would patch it away TBH | 18:39 |
| apachelogger | if a user installs an application after frescobaldi it clearly indicates that the app didn't fit his needs | 18:39 |
| apachelogger | so the app shouldn't enforce an override | 18:39 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: or repack the tarball would be easier I suspect no ? | 18:40 |
| apachelogger | well, patching is easier for this change | 18:40 |
| apachelogger | however, in combination with the .mo stuff you might want to go for repack and ensure upstream adopts the changes for his next release | 18:41 |
| maco | jussi01, i had to put it on the screen so i wouldnt forget by the end of picking up lunch :P im forgetful | 18:41 |
| apachelogger | because I really think the .mos are generated at build time | 18:41 |
| apachelogger | sec, gotta check | 18:41 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: kk | 18:41 |
| apachelogger | [ 0%] [ 0%] cd po && /usr/bin/msgfmt -v -o /tmp/buildd/frescobaldi-0.7.9/obj-i486-linux-gnu/po/tr.mo /tmp/buildd/frescobaldi-0.7.9/po/tr.po | 18:41 |
| apachelogger | yeah | 18:41 |
| apachelogger | they just need to be stripped from the tarball | 18:41 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: so you might want to carry the intiialpref change via a repack as well, but make sure it gets applied by upstream for the next tarball :) | 18:42 |
| Tonio_ | yup | 18:42 |
| Tonio_ | I have to reboot | 18:42 |
| Tonio_ | I'll fix all of that | 18:42 |
| Nightrose | do we have Skrooge packages somewhere? | 18:57 |
| * Nightrose would love to give it a try | 18:57 | |
| Nightrose | ahhhh Tonio_ - google tells me you packaged skrooge | 19:00 |
| Nightrose | is your package usable? | 19:00 |
| Quintasan | Nightrose: it is :3 | 19:00 |
| Nightrose | and which ppa did you hide it in? :D | 19:00 |
| Nightrose | Quintasan: ahhh good - do you know where? | 19:00 |
| Quintasan | Nightrose: universe | 19:00 |
| Nightrose | huh? i just tried and couldn't find it.... | 19:01 |
| Quintasan | at least apt-cache shows that | 19:01 |
| * Nightrose checks again | 19:01 | |
| Nightrose | bah.... pebcak | 19:01 |
| Nightrose | thx Quintasan :) | 19:01 |
| Quintasan | np :D | 19:01 |
| apachelogger | one moar time | 19:19 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose, markey, Mamarok, emonkey: we gotta voip some day again | 19:19 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: indeed :) | 19:19 |
| * Mamarok will have to install skype again then or shall we try ekiga now? | 19:20 | |
| apachelogger | hm, no, still too much hassle to setup really | 19:20 |
| emonkey | apachelogger: hm? voip-session? | 19:52 |
| apachelogger | emonkey: sküp | 19:55 |
| emonkey | apachelogger: uh ahm my skype has no audio atm with kde4 and till now I had'nt the time to fix that ... I'll do that after my exams. | 19:56 |
| apachelogger | huh? | 19:56 |
| apachelogger | last time I checked you shouldn't watch videos meanwhile ;-) | 19:57 |
| emonkey | hmk ... | 19:57 |
| lex79 | JontheEchidna: around? konversation alpha3 is out, can I ? :) | 20:10 |
| Lure | what does this mean: dh: --with quilt not supported or failed to load module Debian::Debhelper::Sequence::quilt | 20:13 |
| * Lure really hates this quilt auto-magic | 20:13 | |
| neversfelde | Lure: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=515725 | 20:15 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 515725 in debhelper "debhelper v7 (dh): patch/unpatch support" [Wishlist,Open] | 20:15 |
| neversfelde | I think you need a newer debhelper version to use --with-quilt. I ran into the same problem some days ago | 20:15 |
| Lure | neversfelde: is it availble for jaunty? | 20:16 |
| neversfelde | Lure: I do not think so | 20:17 |
| neversfelde | ebian-qt-kde.mk | 20:18 |
| neversfelde | ups, sorry | 20:18 |
| neversfelde | plasma-widget-daisy builds with ebian-qt-kde.mk | 20:18 |
| neversfelde | but not with kde.mk | 20:18 |
| neversfelde | :/ | 20:18 |
| * Lure just dropped --with quilt and hopes it will work | 20:21 | |
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| _Groo_ | hi/2 all.. | 20:43 |
| jjesse | heelo _Groo_ | 20:48 |
| _Groo_ | hi jjesse | 20:48 |
| _Groo_ | apachelogger: ping | 20:48 |
| === groo_ is now known as _Groo_ | ||
| _Groo_ | apachelogger: ping | 21:01 |
| apachelogger | _Groo_: too drunk to pong | 21:14 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: have one for me!! :D | 21:15 |
| NCommander | Riddell, ping? | 21:15 |
| NCommander | apachelogger, ding? | 21:15 |
| neversfelde | apachelogger: Cheers | 21:15 |
| apachelogger | no donging either | 21:15 |
| * apachelogger is depressiv and drunk and possibly in love | 21:16 | |
| apachelogger | aint no good combination at all | 21:16 |
| _Groo_ | apachelogger: no problemo, just wanna check if you used my debian/ in the amarok package | 21:16 |
| * Quintasan pats apachelogger | 21:16 | |
| apachelogger | _Groo_: you removed all patches | 21:16 |
| Tm_T | apachelogger: son... | 21:16 |
| apachelogger | which is rather crude really | 21:16 |
| _Groo_ | apachelogger: they werent needed anymore | 21:16 |
| apachelogger | are you sure about that? | 21:17 |
| apachelogger | _Groo_: you really should document changes | 21:17 |
| _Groo_ | apachelogger: from what ive seen they where either upstream or obsoleted | 21:17 |
| _Groo_ | apachelogger: and i agree, i should document more | 21:17 |
| apachelogger | Tm_T: huh? | 21:17 |
| Tm_T | apachelogger: being drunk is not nice, son (;) | 21:18 |
| apachelogger | I noticed when I ran into the door | 21:18 |
| apachelogger | then again being auto aggressive isn't either | 21:18 |
| apachelogger | anyway, gotta have therapy tomorrow evening | 21:19 |
| * Tm_T is always nice | 21:19 | |
| Tm_T | apachelogger: thanks for reminding me | 21:19 |
| apachelogger | it seems like language engine is broken :D | 21:19 |
| apachelogger | Tm_T: yw :) | 21:19 |
| apachelogger | Tm_T: you are really the greatest mom one can have | 21:19 |
| Tm_T | <3 | 21:19 |
| _Groo_ | ¬¬ | 21:20 |
| apachelogger | that looks weird | 21:21 |
| _Groo_ | apachelogger: so you didnt use my debian at all? | 21:27 |
| apachelogger | I didn't do anything becaus eI ra out of time | 21:28 |
| apachelogger | goood luck with finding appropriate spelling for that | 21:28 |
| apachelogger | too drunk to write => off to bed | 21:28 |
| apachelogger | nini kubuntu | 21:28 |
| neversfelde | n8 apachelogger | 21:29 |
| jussi01 | nini apachelogger | 21:29 |
| _Groo_ | apachelogger: so who published amarok today??? | 21:32 |
| blackmoon105 | hi, i've run "kdesudo dolphin" and all kde crashed and kick me at login screen. http://pastebin.com/da33f7dd i'm under jaunty | 21:47 |
| Mamarok | could somebody explain or give me a link to the reason why Ctrl+Alt+Backspace has been disabled by default? I know about dontzap, just need some arguments | 21:49 |
| Nightrose | Mamarok: users pressing it accidentally | 21:50 |
| Mamarok | Nightrose: I know, still I need more than that, and already know the Blueprint | 21:51 |
| Nightrose | ok well user presses it accidentally -> kills his x session -> unsaved thesis work gone | 21:51 |
| Nightrose | ;-) | 21:51 |
| Mamarok | Nightrose: as I said, I know, just some stringent arguments from above would be nice to have | 21:52 |
| Mamarok | Nightrose: I know all what you said already, where has it been decided by whom, etc. as there are as many reasons against as for it | 21:52 |
| Nightrose | decided by xorg | 21:53 |
| Nightrose | ubuntu decided to follow but allow changing it | 21:53 |
| * Mamarok still wonders how somebody can "accidentally" press this key combination... | 21:53 | |
| Mamarok | ok, the Xorg argument is compelling, thx :) | 21:53 |
| Nightrose | it's a key combination from windows iirc | 21:53 |
| Nightrose | i'm don't remember what it does though | 21:54 |
| * Nightrose lost work twice due to killing x this way btw | 21:54 | |
| Nightrose | now i know better but back then i didn't | 21:54 |
| Nightrose | so i think the decision is good and those who know can turn it back on | 21:55 |
| Nightrose | (I did turn it back on) | 21:55 |
| m4v | emacs or something uses that key combination | 21:57 |
| _Groo_ | m4v: emacs uses every key, every combo, every thing you can think off.. emacs is pure evil... | 21:59 |
| JontheEchidna | lex79: I haven't started anything, but you might want to coordinate with ryanakca since I think he was going to set up a bzr branch for konversation | 22:00 |
| JontheEchidna | I don't think anybody's started it yet | 22:00 |
| ryanakca | JontheEchidna: What, the merge? | 22:01 |
| JontheEchidna | ryanakca: new upstream alpha a few hours ago | 22:01 |
| ryanakca | JontheEchidna: Ah, lovely | 22:01 |
| JontheEchidna | if modax is fast enough maybe it's even in debian experimental | 22:01 |
| lex79 | JontheEchidna: there are two problem with konversation | 22:02 |
| Mamarok | Nightrose: I am all for it, just had to argue with the people making the Swiss Remix not to change it back again... | 22:02 |
| ryanakca | Debian has 1.2~alpha2-1 | 22:02 |
| lex79 | 1)missing documentation | 22:02 |
| JontheEchidna | btw, KDE 4.3 beta2 tagging in 12 hours | 22:02 |
| Nightrose | Mamarok: ewwww - ok | 22:02 |
| lex79 | 2) kubuntu's patch not applied | 22:02 |
| lex79 | I think due the last merge | 22:03 |
| Mamarok | Nightrose: we will release a warning for the fglrx driver though, this is a big mess IMHO, still can't use my ATI card... | 22:03 |
| JontheEchidna | neversfelde: oh, you'll need to include debhelper.mk if you use kde.mk | 22:04 |
| neversfelde | JontheEchidna: ok, thank you, I ll try it | 22:05 |
| m4v | _Groo_: yep, i'm with vim. | 22:06 |
| ryanakca | lex79: lp:~kubuntu-members/konversation/ubuntu | 22:06 |
| ryanakca | lex79: Are you familiar with bzr-builddeb ? | 22:07 |
| lex79 | ryanakca: no, btw I'm not kubuntu member, so I can't push on it :) | 22:07 |
| ryanakca | lex79: push to lp:~<yourlpusername>/konversation/ubuntu and someone will merge it in. Anyways, bzr-builddeb is easy to use. cd to wherever you want to work, then go: bzr init-repo konversation && cd konversation && bzr checkout lp:~kubuntu-members/konversation/ubuntu && cd ubuntu && bzr bd-do .... do your changes, debuild, try building, etc. then Ctrl-D to exit, if you added any files, bzr add them, if you removed them, bzr rm. then: ... | 22:10 |
| ryanakca | ... bzr commit -m "Blah blah blah" && bzr push lp:~lex79/konversation/ubuntu ... and poke someone to merge it in | 22:10 |
| ryanakca | Hope that makes sense :) | 22:10 |
| Tonio_ | hohohoho : http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/pim/syncml/ !!!!!!!! | 22:11 |
| Tonio_ | tah, we need | 22:11 |
| lex79 | ryanakca: thanks :) | 22:11 |
| neversfelde | Tonio_: cool | 22:11 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: I'll package... | 22:12 |
| ryanakca | lex79: Feel free to ask in here if you run into problems, and you can get the documentation for bzr-builddeb here: http://jameswestby.net/bzr/builddeb/user_manual/ ... we use merge mode | 22:12 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: it's a SoC project, so therefore should be okay for karmic | 22:12 |
| neversfelde | Tonio_: very good, let me know, when you have somethin usable | 22:12 |
| neversfelde | I ll test it :) | 22:12 |
| * neversfelde ist excited | 22:13 | |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: also I have a gosync account to test ;) | 22:14 |
| lex79 | ryanakca: thanks, seems easy :) | 22:16 |
| neversfelde | how to save a document on an Infinoted Server with kobby? | 22:20 |
| ryanakca | neversfelde: Not sure, I'm still trying to get my packages built for Debian | 22:39 |
| neversfelde | mhh, promising software, but I need to figure out how to use :) | 22:40 |
| neversfelde | if someone has the time. bug #382865 needs a sponsor | 22:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 382865 in plasma-widget-daisy "New upstream version (0.0.4.14) available" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/382865 | 22:44 |
| JontheEchidna | neversfelde: uploaded, thanks for your contribution to Kubuntu | 23:01 |
| neversfelde | Danke | 23:01 |
| neversfelde | äh thank you :) | 23:01 |
| JontheEchidna | you're welcome :) | 23:03 |
| Riddell | NCommander: you pung? | 23:09 |
| NCommander | Riddell, I did, but I got slangasek to answer my question instead :-) | 23:09 |
| neversfelde | why is there no process with bug 379566, do I have to ask someone to get it over the line or is it just because of UDS and all devs singing karaoke? | 23:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 379566 in jaunty-backports "Please backport choqok-0.6 to jaunty" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/379566 | 23:09 |
| Riddell | _Groo_: I don't think we've said hi | 23:10 |
| NCommander | nellery, backports in general haven't been seeing a lot of love recently | 23:10 |
| NCommander | er neversfelde | 23:10 |
| NCommander | Oh, Scott already acked it | 23:10 |
| NCommander | Riddell, can you push the magic-backport button? | 23:11 |
| neversfelde | NCommander: ok | 23:11 |
| Riddell | _Groo_: we had to duplicate the amarok packaging because I wasn't sure where you had put your packaging and I couldn't be sure you'd turn up in time after you didn't appear on irc yesterday | 23:11 |
| Riddell | _Groo_: so some duplicate work there, sorry about that, but lesson is never leave IRC :) | 23:12 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: it's just UDS getting in the way, I spent the whole day doing New queue which hadn't been emptied in three weeks | 23:12 |
| Riddell | NCommander: on chokoq or something else? | 23:13 |
| neversfelde | k, so I can write my next backport request :) | 23:13 |
| NCommander | Riddell, chokoq please | 23:13 |
| neversfelde | don't search for chokoq, better choqok :D | 23:14 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: the syncml thing doesn't compile here.... I'll check regularly, but we need to have this in for karmic :) | 23:14 |
| neversfelde | Tonio_: yes, I am looking forward, good to see some progress in this sector | 23:15 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: can you compile it ? | 23:16 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: it won't find syncml.h when the includes are good.... hard to know what happens... | 23:17 |
| neversfelde | Tonio_: I didn't try it | 23:17 |
| Tonio_ | cmake is nice, but harder to "debug" when something wrong occurs... | 23:17 |
| neversfelde | mhh, it is quite new software, so hopefully it will grow better the next days | 23:19 |
| neversfelde | I would be glad to write a doc about syncing karmic with smartphones and others | 23:20 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: well SoC projects tend to be achived especially when those are little ones | 23:21 |
| Tonio_ | neversfelde: I'm full of hope =) | 23:21 |
| neversfelde | :D | 23:22 |
| neversfelde | sehr gut | 23:22 |
| lubyou | 7topic | 23:33 |
| dtchen | nixternal: eh? | 23:36 |
| dtchen | nixternal: you know the drill | 23:36 |
| nixternal | ya, forgot to post the link yesterday..what is the link to the script again? | 23:37 |
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| dtchen | nixternal: use ubuntu-bug alsa-base | 23:39 |
| dtchen | unless you're sick of LP, in which case the script is at http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh | 23:40 |
| nixternal | running now | 23:40 |
| neversfelde | Riddell: thx for pushing the backport button^^ | 23:40 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: hi Riddell, yeah during the week i dont usually enter irc because i cant at work and im very tired when i get home | 23:40 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: so i usually contribute ruding the weekend | 23:41 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: but point taken, ive sent my debian/ to apachelogger anyway, but he was confused with it because i didnt document what i had done | 23:42 |
| nixternal | dtchen: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/382968 | 23:42 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 382968 in alsa-driver "Sound works for system notifications through the PC speaker - no sound at all with multimedia apps" [Undecided,New] | 23:42 |
| dtchen | nixternal: is pulseaudio installed? | 23:44 |
| dtchen | it doesn't appear to be active from your output | 23:44 |
| Riddell | _Groo_: good to have you here though, maybe you can get into some more kubuntu ninjas work with beta 2 coming out | 23:45 |
| nixternal | <<< nixternal@ShakaDoobie :: ~ :: 17:45.52 Tue Jun 02 2009 | 23:46 |
| nixternal | >>> [1044] dpkg -l \*pulse\* | grep \^ii | 23:46 |
| nixternal | ii libpulse0 1:0.9.15-2ubuntu1 PulseAudio client librarie | 23:46 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: sure.. one thing im trying to see is if kdebindings can be compiled this time, since it brakes some pyqt stuff (like some amarok extensions and some superkarmaba themes) | 23:46 |
| dtchen | nixternal: groups $USER |grep audio >/dev/null;echo $? | 23:47 |
| nixternal | 1 | 23:47 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: from what ive seen so far, well have to backport current pqt from latest snapshots and some more stuff | 23:47 |
| _Groo_ | pyqt | 23:47 |
| dtchen | nixternal: sudo adduser $USER audio, then log out and back in | 23:47 |
| Riddell | _Groo_: you don't go for the easy ones do you :) | 23:48 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: like for example? :D | 23:48 |
| nixternal | logging out..brb | 23:48 |
| Riddell | anything but kdebindings :) | 23:49 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: are you working on kdebindings? or is a no no for beta2 also? | 23:49 |
| nixternal | dtchen: next? | 23:50 |
| dtchen | nixternal: apport-collect -p alsa-base 382968 | 23:52 |
| nixternal | it works, jsut giving you a tough time because I totally didn't even catch the fact I wasn't even in the damn audio group anymore | 23:52 |
| dtchen | that's still a bug | 23:52 |
| nixternal | ok, I iwll continue on then | 23:53 |
| dtchen | policykit, via consolekit, manages access to @audio | 23:53 |
| dtchen | you shouldn't need to be in @audio to access /dev/snd/* | 23:53 |
| nixternal | argh, stupid x-www-browser crap | 23:53 |
| _Groo_ | oh btw guys.. anyone whos using kde 4.3 beta 1. why policykit doesnt show up in systemsettings? | 23:53 |
| dtchen | that said, i don't know whether there's a policykit/consolekit/hal/devicekit/libudev migration | 23:53 |
| dtchen | IOW, i expect stuff to be broken WRT policykit/consolekit/hal/devicekit/libudev until a couple alphas from now | 23:54 |
| nixternal | dtchen: done | 23:56 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: where do i see the ninja tasks at hand? | 23:57 |
| Riddell | _Groo_: we'll make a wiki page when the tars become available (probably tomorrow) | 23:59 |
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