[00:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: when you read this, can you please reject kopete-facebook ? it misses a missing build-dep... I'm fixing and reuploading
[00:01] <Tonio_> none of us tried in a fresh pbuilder install :)
[00:02] <Tonio_> I'll wait for libqjso to reach the archives to make sure it's okay
[00:07] <Tonio_> shtylman: you rock :)
[00:08] <Riddell> rejected
[00:08] <Tonio_> shtylman: the way you did it means it should support ioslaves right ?
[00:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks
[00:08] <Riddell> shtylman: screenshot screenshot!
[00:08] <shtylman> Tonio_: not ness...cause it only passes a url to openoffice..
[00:08] <Tonio_> shtylman: yeah I want to see that :)
[00:09] <Tonio_> shtylman: ok
[00:09] <shtylman> so openoffice would have to support the kio slaves stuff
[00:09] <Tonio_> shtylman: unlikelly....
[00:09] <shtylman> yea
[00:09] <shtylman> it would be very very painful
[00:15] <Tonio_> shtylman: if only ioslaves ad gfvs could have a common api...
[00:15] <shtylman> indeed...if only...
[00:16] <shtylman> still have a small drawing quirk to work out...then it will be perfect...
[00:16] <Tonio_> can't wait to see a screenshot :)
[00:17] <shtylman> soon...hopefully
[00:17] <Tonio_> hehe
[00:17]  * nixternal throws in one more "can't wait to see a screenshot" :p
[00:35] <yuriy> shtylman: awesome! can't wait to see a screenshot... :P
[02:21] <nixternal> dtchen: hey, upgraded to karmic, sound is gone, your fault!
[02:27] <nixternal> that could be an issue :)
[02:39] <Tonio_> nixternal: hehe
[02:39]  * Tonio_ works on jerboa source code...
[02:40] <nixternal> jeesh, people in the ubuntu forums and on lp telling people to download stuff from also and recompile
[02:42]  * ScottK waves.
[02:43]  * nixternal waves back
[02:47]  * neversfelde is afraid of that apturl thing
[02:47] <neversfelde> I tell users in our forum 10 times a day to not use ppas or other third party stuff
[02:48] <neversfelde> I think I can apply for pension, if apturl will be reality :)
[02:51] <nixternal> lol
[03:19] <vorian> yo
[03:20] <ScottK> Yo baby, yo baby, yo!
[03:23] <jjesse> yo ho ho and a bottle of rum
[03:31] <vorian> i'm beat
[03:32] <vorian> up
[03:37] <jjesse> vorian: girfriend beating you up again
[03:37] <vorian> nay, work
[04:22] <freeflying> we have kubuntu-netbook-remix?
[04:23] <ScottK> freeflying: Working on a Kubuntu Netbook Edition.
[04:28] <freeflying> ScottK: cool
[09:48] <Riddell> Nightrose: where is amarok 1.2 due?
[09:53] <jussi01> Riddell: nice typo :D
[09:53] <Riddell> when
[09:54] <Mamarok> hm, Amarok 1.2...
[09:54] <Mamarok> not your day?
[09:55] <Mamarok> Riddell: end of the week FWIK
[10:12] <Nightrose> Riddell: tomorrow
[10:12] <Nightrose> late in the day
[10:52] <Riddell> qjson hasn't built, buildds must be having a post UDS rush
[13:01] <Riddell> hmm bug 334052 and bug 330811 don't have great feedback
[13:02] <Riddell> not sure what to do with plasma-w-n-m now
[13:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: as I see it they are both not regressions from jaunty, so they shouldn't stop the moving the -updates
[13:20] <apachelogger> the bugs shoudl be reopened and reinvestigated though
[13:20] <apachelogger> they are just not fixed yet :) so another option would be to just delay the move to -updates and get those 2 issues resolved first
[13:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: but then what does it fix.. pitti will want bug numbers
[13:40] <Hobbsee> hrm.  konversation marker lines don't work anymore.
[13:40] <Hobbsee> and the graphics corrupt, under compiz.
[13:41] <JontheEchidna> All of the KDE packages are FTBFS: http://paste.ubuntu.com/186507/
[13:41] <JontheEchidna> right after CMake does its install stuff
[13:42] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: needs debhelper.mk included I'd say
[13:42] <JontheEchidna> hmm, shouldn't kde.mk include that then?
[13:43] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: for some reason most cdbs class files don't include debhelper.mk, never worked out why
[13:44] <ryanakca> help
[13:44] <ryanakca> oops, wrong channel, that was for &bitlbee :)
[13:44] <Riddell> ryanakca: ?
[13:44] <Riddell> oh phew, so long as you're not having a heart attack
[13:45] <ryanakca> Riddell: hehe, anything I can help with though?
[13:45] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: thanks
[13:46]  * ryanakca was told to stay home today so that I don't spread this blasted cold to everybody at school
[13:46] <Riddell> ryanakca: beta 2 ninja time is due later today
[13:46] <Riddell> not sure when though
[13:46] <ryanakca> ... meaning?
[13:47] <Riddell> ryanakca: meaning beta 2 is being tagged and we should get tars that'll need packaging
[13:47] <Riddell> ryanakca: oh you could test 4.2.4 if you have jaunty around
[13:47] <Riddell> or a chroot
[13:47] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: could I throw a few packages needing main sponsorship at you?
[13:47] <Riddell> nice to actually test things before we release them
[13:48] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: you could
[13:48] <ScottK> Riddell: Interesting concept.
[13:48] <ScottK> ;-)
[13:48] <ryanakca> Riddell: Ah, where can I find the tarballs? And what repository should I add to test 4.2.4?
[13:48] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you  see the draft Kubuntu Netbook Edition spec I did?
[13:48] <JontheEchidna> bug 381142, bug 380947 and bug 382508
[13:50] <Riddell> ryanakca: tars will appear on the ktown server when they appear, not yet it seems
[13:50] <Riddell> ryanakca: 4.2.4 is in ~kubuntu-experimental I think
[13:51] <Riddell> ScottK: no, where's that?
[13:51] <ScottK> Riddell: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-karmic-netbook-edition
[13:51] <ScottK> We didn't have a UDS session on it, but Tonio, rgreening, and I talked about it in the evenings a fair bit.
[13:53] <ryanakca> Riddell: Ah, look at that, I'm already running it. I haven't run into any issues yet, but I'll prod around, any places I should particularly prod/test?
[13:54] <Riddell> ryanakca: nothing paticular I don't think, if you're using it in normal use that's great
[13:55] <ryanakca> Oooh, kobby 1.0b3 is out, *upgrades the packages*
[13:57] <Riddell> ryanakca: we still have merges in https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html and https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html if you want to tidy those up
[13:58] <ryanakca> Will do
[13:59] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: all done thanks
[13:59] <Riddell> New queue is now only six days long!
[14:02] <Riddell> ryanakca: also could you test amarok from  deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main   for jaunty
[14:03] <ryanakca> Riddell: Sure
[14:03] <ryanakca> Could someone running 4.2.4 help me try to reproduce messed up notifications from Kopete? I have one that doesn't seem to want to disappear, regardless of how many times I hit view or ignore...
[14:04] <Riddell> vorian: ^^ ?
[14:04] <Riddell> ScottK: "Test/Demo Plan" seems lacking
[14:04] <Riddell> ScottK: what would the arm version be tested on?
[14:04] <ScottK> Riddell: Agreed.  I need to do some more investigation on it.
[14:05] <Quintasan> hiho
[14:09] <vorian> ryanakca / Riddell, let me check
[14:10] <Riddell> ScottK: does ubuntu netbook remix do ARM?
[14:11] <ScottK> Riddell: No, they just did it on lpia (now i386), but AFAIK there is no official product for armel yet.
[14:11] <Riddell> ScottK: so why do you include ARM in the spec?  what's the use case?
[14:11] <ScottK> I've seen KDE running on small arm devices like N810 and freerunner.
[14:12] <ScottK> I need to investigate specific platforms (those use older arm devices, so wouldn't be a target for us), but I believe it's reasonably doable.
[14:13] <Riddell> that's the trouble with ARM, each device is different from the other, hard to make a generally installable medium
[14:13] <freeflying> ScottK: most of the armel device only have opengles support
[14:13] <ScottK> Riddell: I want to see Kubuntu everywhere, so I put it in because it's a place we might be able to get.
[14:13] <freeflying> ScottK: but UNR needs opengl
[14:13] <ScottK> I guess the question (I don't know the answer) is does the Plamsa MID shell need opengl?
[14:14] <freeflying> seems like so :)
[14:15] <ScottK> Seems it does.
[14:15] <ScottK> Riddell: OK, based on opengl, I think armel should come out.  Just i386
[14:15]  * ScottK edits
[14:16] <Riddell> hmm, then how does KDE work on the n810?
[14:16] <Tm_T> Riddell: well, works, but not fast
[14:17] <ScottK> Riddell: It's slow, but it was usable.  It was seele's (KDE 4.1.something) and I saw it a while ago, so I'd think it's better now.
[14:17] <seele> is someone finally maintaining packages for the n810? i gave up on it months ago because all that was available is 4.1
[14:18] <seele> ScottK: you *can* run something like kspread but that doesnt mean you *should* :)
[14:18]  * seele was messing with her n810 the other day
[14:18] <seele> i fried my 8gig sim card.. trying to see if i can restore it somehow
[14:19] <ScottK> seele: Would you be up for reviewing the IRC client spec and making some priority recommendations for the items listed?
[14:19] <seele> ScottK: is this quassel vs. konversation?
[14:19] <ScottK> seele: Yes.
[14:20] <seele> sigh, sure. i dont like where this might head though
[14:20] <ScottK> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicIrc
[14:20] <seele> s-c-p probably needs reviewed too
[14:21] <seele> hmm.. i have a todo page somehwere i should update for karmic
[14:29] <seele> ScottK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/seele/KarmicTODO
[14:29] <seele> feel free to dump stuff there you think i should look at
[14:29] <ScottK> Thanks.
[14:29] <ryanakca> Riddell: Amarok starts up with an error message: "There are exceptions caught in the script 'Librivox.org'. Please refer to the log."
[14:29] <ryanakca> And then the same for Lyricwiki....
[14:31] <Riddell> Nightrose: ^^
[14:31] <Nightrose> ryanakca: start from command line please - looks like qtscriptgenerator problems
[14:31] <ryanakca> Nightrose: jaunty, packages from kubuntu-ppa
[14:32] <Nightrose> which version?
[14:37] <ryanakca> Nightrose: 2:2.1mysql5.1.30-0ubuntu2~jaunty1 >> amarok --debug                                                                                                                                                                                              ~
[14:38] <ryanakca> >> amarok --debug                                                                                                                                                                                              ~
[14:38] <ryanakca> Gah, *kicks copy/paste*
[14:38] <ryanakca> http://paste.ubuntu.com/186546/
[14:38]  * Nightrose looks
[14:38] <Riddell> hmm, maybe our qtscript packages aren't working
[14:39] <Riddell> apachelogger: should the qtscript packages in kubuntu experimental work?
[14:39] <Nightrose> bah - can't access the pastebin right now sorry
[14:39] <Nightrose> Riddell: ryanakca: can you talk to nhnfreespirit?
[14:40] <Nightrose> he was looking into this problem
[14:40] <Nightrose> already happened with beta 1
[14:40] <Nightrose> (which is why we wanted to have beta 2 testing :/)
[14:40] <Nightrose> i need to go back to some VTK hacking
[14:40] <ryanakca> Sure
[14:44] <neversfelde> same problem with the karmic version
[14:45] <Riddell> neversfelde: of amarok?
[14:45] <neversfelde> yes
[14:45] <Riddell> humph.  works for me
[14:45] <Riddell> neversfelde: do you have qtscript-tools installed?
[14:46] <neversfelde> no
[14:46] <Riddell> neversfelde: try installing that and seeing if it helps
[14:46] <Riddell> also libqtscript4-core
[14:47] <yuriy> kwwii: ping
[14:47] <neversfelde> Riddell: no warning message anymore, seems to work now
[14:48] <Riddell> neversfelde: after installing qtscript-tools ?
[14:48] <neversfelde> yes, it pulls in libqtscript4-core, too
[14:48] <Riddell> ok, groovy, guess we need that as a depends
[14:49] <neversfelde> also the script widget is now working
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: on the topic of kdegraphics cruft removal, libkdcraw can be removed too
[14:50] <neversfelde> Riddell: shall I create a bug report for this?
[14:52] <Riddell> neversfelde: naw, I can fix it directly
[14:52] <neversfelde> k
[14:52] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: ok
[14:53] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: all done
[14:53] <JontheEchidna> nice
[14:53]  * JontheEchidna commits kdegraphics changes to bzr
[14:55] <Riddell> ScottK: any idea what the status of mseide-msegui is?
[14:55] <Riddell> I see your name on bug 363464
[14:56] <Riddell> version  1.8-1 is in New queue but 1.8-1ubuntu1 was at one time in jaunty
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: libkexiv2 too
[14:57] <ScottK> Riddell: IIRC it should be fine for Karmic.  I just asked it removed from Jaunty as most of the needed packages didn't make it into the release.
[14:57] <ScottK> Someone should fakesync that to a higher revision then.
[14:57] <Riddell> right
[14:58]  * Riddell wonders how to do that
[14:58] <Riddell> New queue down to 26 hours old!
[14:58] <ScottK> Grab it from New, slap a ubuntu2 revision entry in there an upload?
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> oh, libkexiv2 is gone since jaunty
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> nevermind
[14:59]  * ScottK will be back from $WORK in about 10 hours.
[14:59] <ScottK> Working offline this week and next.
[15:11] <kwwii> yuriy: pong
[15:15] <ryanakca> Were we still keeping KDE3/Qt3 apps?
[15:18] <rgreening> ryanakca: the hope is to get rid of them if possible
[15:19] <rgreening> kwwii: hey man :)
[15:19] <ryanakca> rgreening: ... so, with kobby, we could ditch mateedit ?
[15:19] <rgreening> ryanakca: what is mateedit?
[15:19] <Riddell> I suspect mateedit is long since unmaintained
[15:19] <ryanakca> rgreening: Description: collaborative editor for KDE ... apt-cache show mateedit
[15:20] <rgreening> I'd send it to the recycle bin :)
[15:20] <ryanakca> Riddell: the website hasn't been updated since 2005
[15:21] <Tonio_> hi
[15:21] <Riddell> hi Tonio_
[15:21] <ryanakca> hi Tonio_
[15:22] <Tonio_> shouldn't amarok depend on libqtscript4-qtbindings ?
[15:22] <Tonio_> scripts are broken here unless I install this...
[15:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[15:23] <Tonio_> kk I'm doing the update then
[15:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: in karmic or in jaunty?
[15:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: karmic
[15:29] <Tonio_> uploaded
[15:33] <Tonio_> pffff the builds are long to perform on soyuz
[15:33] <Riddell> mm hmm
[15:33] <Tonio_> I fixed a little lib (libgcal) for akonadi-googledata to build, 24 hours ago, and it's not finished yet
[15:33] <Tonio_> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgcal/0.9.0-1ubuntu1
[15:34] <Tonio_> Queued:  	16 hours ago
[15:34] <Tonio_> Estimated build start: 	in 4 hours
[15:34] <Tonio_> argh !
[15:35] <Tonio_> same for qjson... that's why I still didn't upload kopete-facebook
[15:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: you can upload it, it'll just dep wait
[15:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: k-d-s.  I think we should turn Previews back on in Dolphin by defualt
[15:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: I wanna be sure it builds first.... my first upload had a missing build-dep
[15:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, has it been removed in kds ? if so that's bad...
[15:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: well it doesn't seem to be on by default any more
[15:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki changing this
[15:40] <Riddell> super
[15:41] <maco> is the panel supposed to resize to "however big is needed" within the constraints of min & max sizes?  karmic's seems to just stick to the min size, period, end of story, even if it means cutting some plasmoids in half
[15:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: talking about the icons preview or the preview pane ?
[15:42] <Riddell> maco: I don't follow, the panel should be 100% width unless set otherwise
[15:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: icon previews (preview pane is on and should remain so)
[15:42] <maco> i'm talking about the "set otherwise"
[15:42] <maco> you know how you can set a min & max width?
[15:43] <maco> that makes it *seem* like it should resize automatically to try to fit all the plasmoids at their natural sizes, but cannot be smaller than some amount nor larger than other set amount
[15:44] <maco> however, when i set a minimum size that is smaller than absolutely necessary to display all plasmoids, it'll just cut my pager in half instead of growing to "bigger than minimum, but smaller than maximum"
[15:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum I wonder where this is stored, no change in .kde/share/config when I change the view settings...
[15:45] <kwwii> rgreening: hey
[15:45] <Tonio_> yop kwwii, rgreening
[15:46] <Tonio_> hum that's in apps... too bad
[15:46] <Riddell> maco: oh wow, my panel is horribly broken now
[15:46] <Riddell> the applets are all on top of each other
[15:46] <Riddell> remind me never to play with plasma settings again
[15:46] <maco> even without resizing the panel, my kicker was sitting on top of the tray
[15:47] <maco> figuring out how to grab it to move it was an exercise in frustration
[15:47] <maco> and why did the upgrade rearrange everything into a heap and throw my panel to the bottom of the screen? i thought settings like that were supposed to persist
[15:48] <maco> by the way, regarindt he pager and its behaviour when you click the current workspace, i *think* it is determined by the value (0,1,2) of...well, find plugin=pager and note its container and applet #s then find the configuration section for the same container & applet #s, then its currentDesktopSelected=2
[15:49] <maco> s/regarindt/regarding/
[15:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: the easiest way to get this set on by default is patching ./src/settings/dolphin_directoryviewpropertysettings.kcfg
[15:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: nevermind if I do that ?
[15:50]  * ryanakca headdesks because of maintainers and bloody inline patches :/
[15:51] <maco> ryanakca, sorry
[15:51] <maco> i've done plenty of those
[15:52] <Riddell> maco: well I guess test with beta 2 next week and moan to plasma people if it's still broken
[15:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: no way to just have a setting in k-d-s?
[15:52] <ryanakca> maco: Outch, use quilt, very easy to use... add an include to debian/rules and add it as a build-dep, then just go "quilt push -a; quilt new patch_name.diff, quilt edit filename; quilt refresh; quilt pop -a" :)
[15:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: with share/apps entries, that's pretty crap, really
[15:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: and pretty random too :)
[15:53] <maco> ryanakca, -_- i just break things when i try quilt
[15:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: well it'll just be a one line patch, not hard to maintain as this shouldn't change in the future on upstream side
[15:53] <maco> though..hrm
[15:53] <maco> question!
[15:54] <maco> is it valid to start the patch management stuff then at the part where you'd normally edit files, just run the "patch" command on it and then tell it you're done "editing"?
[15:54] <yuriy> wow the now playing widget is really clever, it only shows pause and next in the panel
[15:55] <Lure> Tonio_: thanks for taking care about mlt/kdenlive, but I see two problems with mlt package when trying to backport to jaunty:
[15:55] <yuriy> kwwii: I can start working on a list of OO.o icons I haven't found in Oxygen.  What can I do with such a list?
[15:55] <Tonio_> Lure: which are ?
[15:55] <Lure> Tonio_: usr/bin is not packaged (/usr/bin/melt is required by kdenlive)
[15:55] <maco> Tonio_, i think he was typing ;)
[15:56] <Lure> Tonio_: and libmlt++2 is empty (libmlt++1.install has to be renamed)
[15:56] <ryanakca> maco: ... not sure if I understand, "patch" command? as in /usr/bin/patch ? or quilt?
[15:56] <maco> as in /usr/bin/patch
[15:56] <maco> like after the "quilt new" part
[15:56] <maco> then run /usr/bin/patch with whatever patch you need to add
[15:57] <Tonio_> Lure: you're right...
[15:57] <Tonio_> Lure: testing all of this was on my plans for today... fixing
[15:57] <Lure> Tonio_: no problem, I just wanted to do my next video editing with new version, that is why I started backport sooner ;-)
[15:58] <Tonio_> Lure: yup yup
[15:58] <Tonio_> Lure: new mlt package was a pain to do since they merged mlt++ in it
[15:58] <Lure> Tonio_: yep
[15:58] <Tonio_> Lure: and I couldn't get anyone to review, so I pushed on considering "if you broke everything, you'll be aware soon !!" :)
[15:58] <Tonio_> best way to get your changes reviewed sometimes :)
[15:59] <Lure> Tonio_: true that ;-)
[15:59] <Lure> and not many on karmic anyhow, so not much damage
[15:59] <ryanakca> maco: Not sure, you could quilt push -a; quilt import yourpatch.diff; quilt refresh; quilt pop -a
[16:00] <Lure> Tonio_: btw, my jaunty packages are in this ppa: https://edge.launchpad.net/~lure/+archive/video
[16:01] <Tonio_> Lure: right
[16:01] <Lure> Tonio_: I just did temporary fix and added usr/bin to libmlt1.install ;-)
[16:01] <Tonio_> oki let's fix it then :)
[16:02] <rgreening> shtylman: ping
[16:03] <yuriy> just had a thought - even if we switch to arora, apps that embed khtml like akregator will still be using it, so some pages will look different
[16:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdebase uploaded with the dolphin patch
[16:04] <Tonio_> Lure: your turn !!
[16:05] <Lure> Tonio_: still not sure if we need "mlt" package for binaries (and kdenlive to depend on it)
[16:05] <Lure> Tonio_: this command looks like very internal, but it still is not a library ;-)
[16:06] <Tonio_> Lure: where was it with previous uploads ? I think it wasn't installed right ?
[16:06] <Tonio_> that's why I didn't install it...
[16:06] <Tonio_> maybe a new package would be good indeed
[16:06] <Lure> Tonio_: I think it is new binary
[16:06] <Lure> Tonio_: before mlt was library only
[16:06] <Tonio_> Lure: I don't think so, but anyway
[16:06]  * Lure checks
[16:06] <Tonio_> Lure: we had a anigo binary before, so there it is, we should have an mlt one
[16:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: call for bug reports :D
[16:09] <apachelogger> I certanly think that WPA 2 auth is working better
[16:09] <apachelogger> also autoconnect didnt work
[16:09] <Lure> Tonio_: there was /usr/bin/mlt-config
[16:09] <Lure> in libmlt-dev
[16:09] <Tonio_> Lure: kk
[16:09] <Tonio_> Lure: what for the desc ?
[16:09] <apachelogger> Tonio_: re play dvd removal : the three menu entries should be replaced with some "play disc" thingy
[16:10] <apachelogger> at the very most
[16:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: merci
[16:10] <apachelogger> I find the whole entry rather useless, the only usecase I would imagine for it would be that you were watching a video while inserting the dvd
[16:10] <apachelogger> and then you want to watch the dvd
[16:11] <apachelogger> then again that is why the start tabs content should be used in the playback tab when no video is playing
[16:11] <apachelogger> the black widget aint much good looking either
[16:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: de rien :)
[16:11] <Tonio_> Lure: I think mlt replaces inigo
[16:12] <Tonio_> Lure: Inigo is a powerful multitrack command line oriented video editor.
[16:12] <apachelogger> ok
[16:12] <apachelogger> seriously
[16:12] <Lure> Tonio_: it seems inigo is renamed to melt: http://www.mltframework.org/twiki/bin/view/MLT/ExtremeMakeover
[16:13] <apachelogger> someone do something about that topic
[16:13] <Tonio_> Lure: yup
[16:14] <Lure> Tonio_: so we should rename inigo package to melt and do Conflicts/Replaces
[16:15] <Lure> Tonio_: btw, there is one in Debian already: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/melt
[16:15] <Lure> Tonio_: so we should rather merge
[16:15] <Tonio_> Lure: done here
[16:15] <Tonio_> hum when did they do that ?
[16:15] <Tonio_> wasn't there yesterday
[16:16] <Lure> Tonio_: not sure, that I got on google now ;-)
[16:16] <Tonio_> Lure: okay they did exactly the same thing as me... what a waste of time
[16:17] <Lure> Tonio_: that is why working on debian alioth svn is probably the way to go
[16:17] <Tonio_> since I wanted to sync with them...
[16:17] <Tonio_> Lure: true, in a certain way
[16:18]  * Lure tries to merge digikam/kipi-plugins ubuntu changes back to debian that way
[16:18] <Tonio_> Lure: I uploaded debian's package for sync
[16:20]  * Lure has to run
[16:30] <neversfelde> Tonio_: k3b 1.66 offers to install libk3b3-extracodecs and not libk3b6-extracodecs, is this correct?
[16:31] <Tonio_> neversfelde: of course not :)
[16:32] <neversfelde> :)
[16:32] <Tonio_> neversfelde: at least the patch works, which is pretty cool :)
[16:34] <neversfelde> hehe, yes it works fine
[16:36] <Tonio_> neversfelde: I really like this mecanism
[16:36] <neversfelde> +1 it is very userfriendly
[16:37] <Tonio_> rekonq is on review, can someone look at it please ?
[16:37] <Tonio_> as well as frescobaldi, for which nobody cares for months...
[16:37] <Tonio_> that would be very nice :)
[16:41] <shtylman> rgreening: here
[16:41] <rgreening> hey shtylman
[16:41] <shtylman> howdy
[16:42] <rgreening> do you remember the nick of the guy who was in the ubiquity session with us? The one who is going to help also with usb-creator?
[16:42] <rgreening> I wanted to ping him  on usb-creator
[16:42] <shtylman> hm...nope...I do not..sorry :/
[16:43] <rgreening> hmm.. crud
[16:43] <rgreening> Tonio_: ^^
[16:43] <rgreening> maybe Tonio_ remembers
[16:43] <rgreening> :)
[16:43] <rgreening> my brain is fille dwith cold/flu fluids.. cant think
[16:44] <rgreening> *sniff*
[16:44] <shtylman> man...you too eh?
[16:44] <shtylman> Riddell also got owned ...
[16:44] <rgreening> ya
[16:44] <Tonio_> rgreening: shtylman ? who else ?
[16:45] <Tonio_> rgreening: I wasn't there at the ubiquity one
[16:45] <rgreening> Tonio_: was the same guy in the usb-creator
[16:46] <Tonio_> rgreening: evan ?
[16:46] <Riddell> evand is the usb creator guy
[16:47] <Tonio_> yup
[16:47] <Tonio_> rgreening: Evan Dandrea
[16:48] <rgreening> Thanks Riddell/Tonio_
[16:48] <Tonio_> rgreening: yw
[16:50] <maco> apachelogger, hrmm what about wpa2?
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: rekonq's packaging looks good, but the long description looks iffy imo
[16:51] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I wasn't greatly inspired to be honnest.... I just did a copy/paste from upstream's website
[16:51] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: feel free to write any better one :)
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> ok
[16:52] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: if you propose me any better one, I'll fix and upload
[16:56] <apachelogger> maco: didn't work in stock jaunty network-manager plasmoid
[16:56] <apachelogger> it certainly does with what is in proposed
[16:57] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: How's this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/186635/
[16:57] <maco> and here i go, upgrading to karmic where even *normal* WPA doesn't work with the nm plasmoid! pffft my timing sucks!
[16:57] <apachelogger> maco: well, karmic might still have the same svn snapshot jaunty has
[16:57] <apachelogger> the new one is only in proposed AFAIK
[16:58] <maco> nah, jaunty worked for normal WPA, just not WPA2
[16:59] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: not bad :)
[16:59] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: can I upload fixing the desc then ?
[16:59] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: oh, it might be good if I testbuild first
[16:59] <apachelogger> maco: maybe we have a regression at hand?
[16:59] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: but probably it would be ok to upload
[17:00] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: ho sure ! ;)
[17:00] <maco> apachelogger, yar
[17:00] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I'll wait for your permission
[17:00] <apachelogger> maco: does your AP only support WPA?
[17:00]  * apachelogger would find it weird to use WPA when WPA2 is available :P
[17:00] <maco> i'm not sure my roommate's laptop supports WPA2
[17:01] <apachelogger> should check
[17:01] <maco> its running windows...i dont know how
[17:01] <apachelogger> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_Protected_Access#WPA2
[17:01] <apachelogger> maco: just change the AP to WPA2 and see if the laptop still connects :)
[17:01] <maco> heh
[17:02] <maco> well i'm moving out over the course of this week anyway. person i'm living with now does, i think, have all wpa2-able hardware. we just have no internets in the new place yet :P
[17:02] <apachelogger> oh dear
[17:02] <apachelogger> no intartubes access is horrible
[17:03] <ryanakca> Anybody know of an easy to use repo managing app? I used to use Seveas' falcon, but it doesn't seem to work on hardy anymore and requires python2.4 :/
[17:03] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: oh, there isn't an XSBC-Original-Maintainer
[17:03] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: hum true
[17:03]  * apachelogger remembered that awkward time last summer when they "accidently" cut the street's landline
[17:03] <apachelogger> oh dear
[17:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: not necessary :P
[17:03] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: fixed
[17:03] <apachelogger> ryanakca: the are loads of them
[17:04] <apachelogger> search help.ubuntu.com
[17:04] <ryanakca> Tonio_: Packaging rekonq?
[17:04] <apachelogger> apt-ftparchive being the simplest of those
[17:04] <apachelogger> it really just dumps the binary files in $folder
[17:04] <nixternal> oi oi
[17:05] <apachelogger> so if you want to have a pocket based system you might want to look into something different :D
[17:05] <Tonio_> ryanakca: yup
[17:05] <ryanakca> Tonio_: feel like getting it into Debian?
[17:06] <Tonio_> ryanakca: why not, but I'll not be the one doing this :)
[17:06] <JontheEchidna> If only arora had session management/tab restoration after crashes...
[17:06] <ryanakca> apachelogger: I don't really care, I just want a way to get libqinfinity in a repo so that I can use it while compiling kobby for sid...
[17:06] <Tonio_> ryanakca: I decided to stop this 3 years ago since I got tired of getting ignored whenever I used my @ubuntu.com address
[17:06] <Tonio_> and answered when using the @gmail.com one
[17:06]  * JontheEchidna finds it a pain to open up all his tabs in the proper order every time he opens arora
[17:06] <Tonio_> ryanakca: anyway, they can merge my package if they want it
[17:07] <Tonio_> ryanakca: that's arch, I know :)
[17:07] <Tonio_> ryanakca: but anyone wanting my package is free to sync
[17:07] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: ship it!
[17:07] <JontheEchidna> looks just fine here :)
[17:08] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: kk I fixed the 2 issues you mentionned
[17:08] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: uploaded thanks :)
[17:08] <JontheEchidna> you're welcome
[17:08]  * JontheEchidna tries rekonq
[17:08] <Tonio_> now if someone could *please* revu frescobaldi.... it's been waiting in revu for month...
[17:09] <Tonio_> and I don't want to override the revu proces...
[17:09] <apachelogger> tag it with kde or qt :P
[17:09] <Riddell> Tonio_: rekonq contains GPL 3 in COPYING but is GPL 2 in source
[17:10] <apachelogger> Synopsis:	 LilyPond sheet music editor for KDE4
[17:10] <JontheEchidna> doh, missed that
[17:10] <apachelogger> aint no goody
[17:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: that can be accepted into the archive fine (GPL 2 can be upgraded) but it's a bit weird
[17:10] <apachelogger> why would I care that it is KDE 4?
[17:10] <ryanakca> Tonio_: Hehe, I've been waiting for months to get it into Debian, builds fine under karmic, but it doesn't under sid... because lilypond has been broken for ages
[17:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, you're right, I'll ping upstream about that
[17:10] <apachelogger> I mean besides the fact that we used KDE 4 all across instead of KDE4
[17:10] <Tonio_> ryanakca: still last week, I sent 3 debdiffs using my ubuntu account, got ignored
[17:11] <Tonio_> ryanakca: and everytime I use another address, it's okay
[17:11] <apachelogger> why would I, as user, care about it being for KDE 4, considering I don't have a KDE 3 desktop available from non-3rd-party-sources and I probably won't care either if I was using gnome or xfce
[17:11] <Tonio_> ryanakca: I'm sick of waisting my time with debian on that point...
[17:11] <Riddell> kb9vqf has loads of stuff on revu!
[17:11] <Tonio_> ryanakca: when I send a fix or anything, 50% go in 50% is waste of time...
[17:11] <Tonio_> ryanakca: I may be very unlucky, but I don't want to work with people who don't accept collaboration
[17:12] <Tonio_> ryanakca: collaborate with others is the reason I'm doing free software
[17:12] <ryanakca> Tonio_: *nod*, do you have a sponsor or do you just wait for someone to pick it up? It's incredibly fast with a sponsor, a day or two and it gets uploaded
[17:12] <Tonio_> ryanakca: I know my opinion about that is arch, especially since I have lots of friends at debian
[17:12] <Riddell> the mysterious usrlp just added Kubuntu/UbuntuFeatureParity to KubuntuKarmicSpecs
[17:13] <Tonio_> ryanakca: I don't have a sponsor no, since I decided to stop sending emails 3 years ago except for very specific packages whom I know the maintainer well, fabo for example
[17:13] <Tonio_> ryanakca: my work is open source, so if they decide to repackage something they miss and we don't already have, I don't see why I should do that for them
[17:13] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: that's usr, he's been annoying apachelogger and myself in the bug tracker for ages ;-)
[17:14] <ryanakca> *nod*
[17:14] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: and he registered a session at UDS which somehow got accepted
[17:14] <Tonio_> ryanakca: they are waisting a lot of energy not merging our packages when working on them, that's not my problem, especially since I tried to collaborate, and got mostly rejected...
[17:15] <Tonio_> ryanakca: and yeah, I know, I should be ass kicked speaking like this... ^^
[17:15] <maco> does kubuntu include a cd burner by default?
[17:15] <maco> (on that feature parity topic)
[17:15] <Tonio_> ryanakca: anyway, I still love debian, just than my personal experience with them has been bad in the past, period :)
[17:15] <ryanakca> maco: k3b
[17:16] <ryanakca> Tonio_: *nod*, I had the same issues, but the -fr people are quite welcomming and now that I have a sponsor, it's not all that bad
[17:17] <Tonio_> ryanakca: yeah and that's what I HATE about that
[17:18] <Tonio_> ryanakca: have a sponsor ? you are respectable
[17:18] <Tonio_> no sponsor ? then you're just a pet
[17:19] <Tonio_> ryanakca: and it's because we do the exact opposite than I contribute to ubuntu, and not to fedora or opensuse :)
[17:19] <Tonio_> ryanakca: so technically I should contribute to debian
[17:19] <maco> ryanakca, ok i wasnt sure if that was included on the cd since its still qt3
[17:19] <Tonio_> ryanakca: but my ethics is to contribute to the most opened community only :)
[17:20] <Tonio_> ryanakca: and to me my ethics is more important than the technical things, otherwise I would do bsd or osx stuff :)
[17:20] <ryanakca> maco: I don't know about karmic, but it's here on jaunty...
[17:20] <Tonio_> ryanakca: and that's all thanks to Riddell :) since he invited me when I wanted to learn and didn't knew anything about packaging
[17:21] <Tonio_> ryanakca: when debian just told me to come back in 2 years, after having learned about the policy and packaging guide... :)
[17:21] <ryanakca> :)
[17:21]  * Tonio_ must have been very unlucky
[17:22] <Tonio_> so I assume you can understand than when they came back 6 month later to ask me to contribute to debian instead, I was like....
[17:22] <Tonio_> unlikelly to accept :)
[17:22] <maco> ryanakca, i honestly have not looked through the menu to see what is included by default. i have the apps i want installed, and i launch them like this: mod+shift+enter (to open a shell in xmonad), type in "nohup <command> &" mod+shift+c (to close the shell)
[17:22] <ryanakca> Tonio_: Of course
[17:23] <Tonio_> ryanakca: the time I decided to stop was after sending 5 debdifs for kdepim to fix packaging issues
[17:23] <Tonio_> ryanakca: none of them got any response, so I tried using an anonimous address a few weeks later, all accepted...
[17:23] <Tonio_> ryanakca: that was my last collaboration attempt :)
[17:24]  * Tonio_ hugs Riddell for never rejecting n00bs :)
[17:24] <ryanakca> Tonio_: Mind you, I think Debian has pretty much gotten over the Ubuntu/Debian rift...
[17:25] <ryanakca> I would think anyways, or hope...
[17:25] <Tonio_> ryanakca: not by ethics, but by obvious choice
[17:25] <Tonio_> ryanakca: and if they really do, then they should merge my rekonq package right ?
[17:25] <Tonio_> ryanakca: here is the deal, let's see what happens when they'll package it ;)
[17:25] <ryanakca> Tonio_: it hasn't been packaged yet, but there is an ITP for it...
[17:26] <Tonio_> ryanakca: yes, and if it goes in ubuntu first, then eventually it'll be merged right ?
[17:26] <Tonio_> we'll see ;)
[17:32] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: archiving rekonq on revu
[17:37] <apachelogger> Tonio_: frescobaldi reviewed
[17:38] <ryanakca> Should I get the konversation packaging under a bzr branch on LP?
[17:38] <apachelogger> sure
[17:42]  * Tonio_ wonders if we should make kdenlive part of the distro...
[17:42] <Tonio_> sure it needs multiverse components, but we can use update-notifier-kde to install them
[17:43] <Tonio_> and both windows and osx have a video editor installed by default...
[17:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: couldn't that be considered when we drop kdelibs4 deps ?
[17:49] <JontheEchidna> hotness: http://imagebin.ca/view/a2W7MT.html
[17:50] <Riddell> Tonio_: drop kdelibs4 deps from what?
[17:50] <JontheEchidna> ^My default desktop proposal, though my screenshot is missing folderview
[17:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: frmo the cd :)
[17:52] <maco> JontheEchidna, nice :D
[17:52]  * JontheEchidna hopes the Air theme is included in beta2
[17:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: we only have one and shtylman is working on it
[17:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes I know, but that'll make some space free
[17:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: so I was wondering if kdenlive shouldn't fit on the cd...
[17:53] <Tonio_> unless it is technically condamned to multiverse
[17:53] <Nightrose> Tonio_: i wanted to use kdenlive for some video editing 2 days ago (just add sound)
[17:53] <Nightrose> it was a nightmare :(
[17:54] <Tonio_> Nightrose: really ?
[17:54] <Nightrose> i gave up in the end
[17:54] <Tonio_> Nightrose: lots of people seem to like it except it isn't as stable as it should
[17:54] <Nightrose> someone more into video editing might judge it differently
[17:54] <Nightrose> but I just couldn't make it do what i wanted it
[17:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: we're 70MB oversized
[17:55] <JontheEchidna>  oh
[17:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: ouch...
[17:55] <Nightrose> hehe
[17:55] <Nightrose> guess that solves it
[17:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: well on the dvd at least :)
[17:55] <JontheEchidna> we're probably 70 MB over because kdeplasma-addons now has plasma-wallpapers-addons which depends on both the wallpapers from kdebase and kdeartwork
[17:55] <maco> JontheEchidna, oh, i'd say the text on the panel (i think thats part of the plasma theme?) isnt dark enough / high enough contrast, though the theme itself looks nice
[17:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure, if you want to get rid of the multiverse deps and do the main inclusion report for it and any remaining deps
[17:56] <Riddell> but it has complex libraries and they may not get through MIR
[17:56] <rgreening> Tonio_: I have branched the latest usb-creator and have in under lp:~roderick-greening/usb-creator/kde-frontend
[17:56] <JontheEchidna> maco: yeah, the oxygen team really outdid itself with the Air theme, it rocks
[17:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: just a thought, mlt in main it pretty harad, that's true
[17:57] <rgreening> Tonio_: I subscribed you to that branch so you can see what changes, etc I make.
[17:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: but the latest upstream release avoids code duplication, so why not
[17:57] <JontheEchidna> though I can't see how you could make the panel text any more black... perhaps you just don't like my font settings ;)
[17:57] <Tonio_> multiverse deps can be installed the way we do for k3b for example
[17:57] <Tonio_> atm I wonder why latest kdenlive upload ftbfs... weird...
[17:58] <JontheEchidna> my amarok broke :(
[17:58] <maco> JontheEchidna, it looks grey when i look at the screenshot
[17:59]  * Tonio_ notice we should ship with a default kdenliverc file too in kds
[17:59] <JontheEchidna> maco: probably jpeg artifacts
[17:59] <Tonio_> major universe apps shoul also get their nagscreen removed and so on
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> so after the latest updates my amarok is just sitting there "updating system configuration." :(
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> no splash screen or anything
[18:06] <apachelogger> so
[18:06] <apachelogger> it is 7 pm and I am so drunk that I almost fell over
[18:06] <apachelogger> I guess that is no good
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> purging and reinstalling amarok fixed it
[18:16] <maco> Sput, feature request: "mark as away on all networks"
[18:16]  * maco back to being away
[18:19] <jussi01> maco: file a bug report?
[18:33] <Tonio_> apachelogger: impressive review for frescobaldi :) that quick...
[18:34] <Mamarok> what is frescobaldi?
[18:37] <Tonio_> apachelogger: also, lots of applications have very hight initialpreference, especially kde 4 apps...
[18:37] <Tonio_> apachelogger: grep -re InitialPre /usr/share/applications
[18:38] <apachelogger> Tonio_: most of them should not
[18:38] <Tonio_> apachelogger: sure
[18:38] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I'll ping upstream about that, but won't patch, are you okay about that ?
[18:38] <Tonio_> also what to do about mo files ?
[18:38] <apachelogger> really, IMHO that stanza should only be used by distros or for core utils like say dolphin
[18:39] <apachelogger> Tonio_: I would patch it away TBH
[18:39] <apachelogger> if a user installs an application after frescobaldi it clearly indicates that the app didn't fit his needs
[18:39] <apachelogger> so the app shouldn't enforce an override
[18:40] <Tonio_> apachelogger: or repack the tarball would be easier I suspect no ?
[18:40] <apachelogger> well, patching is easier for this change
[18:41] <apachelogger> however, in combination with the .mo stuff you might want to go for repack and ensure upstream adopts the changes for his next release
[18:41] <maco> jussi01, i had to put it on the screen so i wouldnt forget by the end of picking up lunch :P im forgetful
[18:41] <apachelogger> because I really think the .mos are generated at build time
[18:41] <apachelogger> sec, gotta check
[18:41] <Tonio_> apachelogger: kk
[18:41] <apachelogger> [  0%] [  0%] cd po && /usr/bin/msgfmt -v -o /tmp/buildd/frescobaldi-0.7.9/obj-i486-linux-gnu/po/tr.mo /tmp/buildd/frescobaldi-0.7.9/po/tr.po
[18:41] <apachelogger> yeah
[18:41] <apachelogger> they just need to be stripped from the tarball
[18:42] <apachelogger> Tonio_: so you might want to carry the intiialpref change via a repack as well, but make sure it gets applied by upstream for the next tarball :)
[18:42] <Tonio_> yup
[18:42] <Tonio_> I have to reboot
[18:42] <Tonio_> I'll fix all of that
[18:57] <Nightrose> do we have Skrooge packages somewhere?
[18:57]  * Nightrose would love to give it a try
[19:00] <Nightrose> ahhhh Tonio_ - google tells me you packaged skrooge
[19:00] <Nightrose> is your package usable?
[19:00] <Quintasan> Nightrose: it is :3
[19:00] <Nightrose> and which ppa did  you hide it in? :D
[19:00] <Nightrose> Quintasan: ahhh good - do you know where?
[19:00] <Quintasan> Nightrose: universe
[19:01] <Nightrose> huh? i just tried and couldn't find it....
[19:01] <Quintasan> at least apt-cache shows that
[19:01]  * Nightrose checks again
[19:01] <Nightrose> bah....  pebcak
[19:01] <Nightrose> thx Quintasan :)
[19:01] <Quintasan> np :D
[19:19] <apachelogger> one moar time
[19:19] <apachelogger> Nightrose, markey, Mamarok, emonkey: we gotta voip some day again
[19:19] <Mamarok> apachelogger: indeed :)
[19:20]  * Mamarok will have to install skype again then or shall we try ekiga now?
[19:20] <apachelogger> hm, no, still too much hassle to setup really
[19:52] <emonkey> apachelogger: hm? voip-session?
[19:55] <apachelogger> emonkey: sküp
[19:56] <emonkey> apachelogger: uh ahm my skype has no audio atm with kde4 and till now I had'nt the time to fix that ... I'll do that after my exams.
[19:56] <apachelogger> huh?
[19:57] <apachelogger> last time I checked you shouldn't watch videos meanwhile ;-)
[19:57] <emonkey> hmk ...
[20:10] <lex79> JontheEchidna: around? konversation alpha3 is out, can I ? :)
[20:13] <Lure> what does this mean: dh: --with quilt not supported or failed to load module Debian::Debhelper::Sequence::quilt
[20:13]  * Lure really hates this quilt auto-magic
[20:15] <neversfelde> Lure: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=515725
[20:15] <neversfelde> I think you need a newer debhelper version to use --with-quilt. I ran into the same problem some days ago
[20:16] <Lure> neversfelde: is it availble for jaunty?
[20:17] <neversfelde> Lure: I do not think so
[20:18] <neversfelde> ebian-qt-kde.mk
[20:18] <neversfelde> ups, sorry
[20:18] <neversfelde> plasma-widget-daisy builds with ebian-qt-kde.mk
[20:18] <neversfelde> but not with kde.mk
[20:18] <neversfelde> :/
[20:21]  * Lure just dropped --with quilt and hopes it will work
[20:43] <_Groo_> hi/2 all..
[20:48] <jjesse> heelo _Groo_
[20:48] <_Groo_> hi jjesse
[20:48] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ping
[21:01] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ping
[21:14] <apachelogger> _Groo_: too drunk to pong
[21:15] <jussi01> apachelogger: have one for me!! :D
[21:15] <NCommander> Riddell, ping?
[21:15] <NCommander> apachelogger, ding?
[21:15] <neversfelde> apachelogger: Cheers
[21:15] <apachelogger> no donging either
[21:16]  * apachelogger is depressiv and drunk and possibly in love
[21:16] <apachelogger> aint no good combination at all
[21:16] <_Groo_> apachelogger: no problemo, just wanna check if you used my debian/ in the amarok package
[21:16]  * Quintasan pats apachelogger
[21:16] <apachelogger> _Groo_: you removed all patches
[21:16] <Tm_T> apachelogger: son...
[21:16] <apachelogger> which is rather crude really
[21:16] <_Groo_> apachelogger: they werent needed anymore
[21:17] <apachelogger> are you sure about that?
[21:17] <apachelogger> _Groo_: you really should document changes
[21:17] <_Groo_> apachelogger: from what ive seen they where either upstream or obsoleted
[21:17] <_Groo_> apachelogger: and i agree, i should document more
[21:17] <apachelogger> Tm_T: huh?
[21:18] <Tm_T> apachelogger: being drunk is not nice, son (;)
[21:18] <apachelogger> I noticed when I ran into the door
[21:18] <apachelogger> then again being auto aggressive isn't either
[21:19] <apachelogger> anyway, gotta have therapy tomorrow evening
[21:19]  * Tm_T is always nice
[21:19] <Tm_T> apachelogger: thanks for reminding me
[21:19] <apachelogger> it seems like language engine is broken :D
[21:19] <apachelogger> Tm_T: yw :)
[21:19] <apachelogger> Tm_T: you are really the greatest mom one can have
[21:19] <Tm_T> <3
[21:20] <_Groo_> ¬¬
[21:21] <apachelogger> that looks weird
[21:27] <_Groo_> apachelogger: so you didnt use my debian at all?
[21:28] <apachelogger> I didn't do anything becaus eI ra out of time
[21:28] <apachelogger> goood luck with finding appropriate spelling for that
[21:28] <apachelogger> too drunk to write => off to bed
[21:28] <apachelogger> nini kubuntu
[21:29] <neversfelde> n8 apachelogger
[21:29] <jussi01> nini apachelogger
[21:32] <_Groo_> apachelogger: so who published amarok today???
[21:47] <blackmoon105> hi, i've run "kdesudo dolphin" and all kde crashed and kick me at login screen. http://pastebin.com/da33f7dd i'm under jaunty
[21:49] <Mamarok> could somebody explain or give me a link to the reason why Ctrl+Alt+Backspace has been disabled by default? I know about dontzap, just need some arguments
[21:50] <Nightrose> Mamarok: users pressing it accidentally
[21:51] <Mamarok> Nightrose: I know, still I need more than that, and already know the Blueprint
[21:51] <Nightrose> ok well user presses it accidentally -> kills his x session -> unsaved thesis work gone
[21:51] <Nightrose> ;-)
[21:52] <Mamarok> Nightrose: as I said, I know, just some stringent arguments from above would be nice to have
[21:52] <Mamarok> Nightrose: I know all what you said already, where has it been decided by whom, etc. as there are as many reasons against as for it
[21:53] <Nightrose> decided by xorg
[21:53] <Nightrose> ubuntu decided to follow but allow changing it
[21:53]  * Mamarok still wonders how somebody can "accidentally" press this key combination...
[21:53] <Mamarok> ok, the Xorg argument is compelling, thx :)
[21:53] <Nightrose> it's a key combination from windows iirc
[21:54] <Nightrose> i'm don't remember what it does though
[21:54]  * Nightrose lost work twice due to killing x this way btw
[21:54] <Nightrose> now i know better but back then i didn't
[21:55] <Nightrose> so i think the decision is good and those who know can turn it back on
[21:55] <Nightrose> (I did turn it back on)
[21:57] <m4v> emacs or something uses that key combination
[21:59] <_Groo_> m4v: emacs uses every key, every combo, every thing you can think off.. emacs is pure evil...
[22:00] <JontheEchidna> lex79: I haven't started anything, but you might want to coordinate with ryanakca since I think he was going to set up a bzr branch for konversation
[22:00] <JontheEchidna> I don't think anybody's started it yet
[22:01] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: What, the merge?
[22:01] <JontheEchidna> ryanakca: new upstream alpha a few hours ago
[22:01] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: Ah, lovely
[22:01] <JontheEchidna> if modax is fast enough maybe it's even in debian experimental
[22:02] <lex79> JontheEchidna: there are two problem with konversation
[22:02] <Mamarok> Nightrose: I am all for it, just had to argue with the people making the Swiss Remix not to change it back again...
[22:02] <ryanakca> Debian has 1.2~alpha2-1
[22:02] <lex79> 1)missing documentation
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> btw, KDE 4.3 beta2 tagging in 12 hours
[22:02] <Nightrose> Mamarok: ewwww - ok
[22:02] <lex79> 2) kubuntu's patch not applied
[22:03] <lex79> I think due the last merge
[22:03] <Mamarok> Nightrose: we will release a warning for the fglrx driver though, this is a big mess IMHO, still can't use my ATI card...
[22:04] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: oh, you'll need to include debhelper.mk if you use kde.mk
[22:05] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: ok, thank you, I ll try it
[22:06] <m4v> _Groo_: yep, i'm with vim.
[22:06] <ryanakca> lex79: lp:~kubuntu-members/konversation/ubuntu
[22:07] <ryanakca> lex79: Are you familiar with bzr-builddeb ?
[22:07] <lex79> ryanakca: no, btw I'm not kubuntu member, so I can't push on it :)
[22:10] <ryanakca> lex79: push to lp:~<yourlpusername>/konversation/ubuntu and someone will merge it in. Anyways, bzr-builddeb is easy to use. cd to wherever you want to work, then go: bzr init-repo konversation && cd konversation && bzr checkout lp:~kubuntu-members/konversation/ubuntu && cd ubuntu && bzr bd-do   .... do your changes, debuild, try building, etc. then Ctrl-D to exit, if you added any files, bzr add them, if you removed them, bzr rm. then: ...
[22:10] <ryanakca> ... bzr commit -m "Blah blah blah" && bzr push lp:~lex79/konversation/ubuntu   ... and poke someone to merge it in
[22:10] <ryanakca> Hope that makes sense :)
[22:11] <Tonio_> hohohoho : http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/pim/syncml/ !!!!!!!!
[22:11] <Tonio_> tah, we need
[22:11] <lex79> ryanakca: thanks :)
[22:11] <neversfelde> Tonio_: cool
[22:12] <Tonio_> neversfelde: I'll package...
[22:12] <ryanakca> lex79: Feel free to ask in here if you run into problems, and you can get the documentation for bzr-builddeb here: http://jameswestby.net/bzr/builddeb/user_manual/ ... we use merge mode
[22:12] <Tonio_> neversfelde: it's a SoC project, so therefore should be okay for karmic
[22:12] <neversfelde> Tonio_: very good, let me know, when you have somethin usable
[22:12] <neversfelde> I ll test it :)
[22:13]  * neversfelde ist excited
[22:14] <Tonio_> neversfelde: also I have a gosync account to test ;)
[22:16] <lex79> ryanakca: thanks, seems easy :)
[22:20] <neversfelde> how to save a document on an Infinoted Server with kobby?
[22:39] <ryanakca> neversfelde: Not sure, I'm still trying to get my packages built for Debian
[22:40] <neversfelde> mhh, promising software, but I need to figure out how to use :)
[22:44] <neversfelde> if someone has the time. bug #382865 needs a sponsor
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: uploaded, thanks for your contribution to Kubuntu
[23:01] <neversfelde> Danke
[23:01] <neversfelde> äh thank you :)
[23:03] <JontheEchidna> you're welcome :)
[23:09] <Riddell> NCommander: you pung?
[23:09] <NCommander> Riddell, I did, but I got slangasek to answer my question instead :-)
[23:09] <neversfelde> why is there no process with bug 379566, do I have to ask someone to get it over the line or is it just because of UDS and all devs singing karaoke?
[23:10] <Riddell> _Groo_: I don't think we've said hi
[23:10] <NCommander> nellery, backports in general haven't been seeing a lot of love recently
[23:10] <NCommander> er neversfelde
[23:10] <NCommander> Oh, Scott already acked it
[23:11] <NCommander> Riddell, can you push the magic-backport button?
[23:11] <neversfelde> NCommander: ok
[23:11] <Riddell> _Groo_: we had to duplicate the amarok packaging because I wasn't sure where you had put your packaging and I couldn't be sure you'd turn up in time after you didn't appear on irc yesterday
[23:12] <Riddell> _Groo_: so some duplicate work there, sorry about that, but lesson is never leave IRC :)
[23:12] <Riddell> neversfelde: it's just UDS getting in the way, I spent the whole day doing New queue which hadn't been emptied in three weeks
[23:13] <Riddell> NCommander: on chokoq or something else?
[23:13] <neversfelde> k, so I can write my next backport request :)
[23:13] <NCommander> Riddell, chokoq please
[23:14] <neversfelde> don't search for chokoq, better choqok :D
[23:14] <Tonio_> neversfelde: the syncml thing doesn't compile here.... I'll check regularly, but we need to have this in for karmic :)
[23:15] <neversfelde> Tonio_: yes, I am looking forward, good to see some progress in this sector
[23:16] <Tonio_> neversfelde: can you compile it ?
[23:17] <Tonio_> neversfelde: it won't find syncml.h when the includes are good.... hard to know what happens...
[23:17] <neversfelde> Tonio_: I didn't try it
[23:17] <Tonio_> cmake is nice, but harder to "debug" when something wrong occurs...
[23:19] <neversfelde> mhh, it is quite new software, so hopefully it will grow better the next days
[23:20] <neversfelde> I would be glad to write a doc about syncing karmic with smartphones and others
[23:21] <Tonio_> neversfelde: well SoC projects tend to be achived especially when those are little ones
[23:21] <Tonio_> neversfelde: I'm full of hope =)
[23:22] <neversfelde> :D
[23:22] <neversfelde> sehr gut
[23:33] <lubyou> 7topic
[23:36] <dtchen> nixternal: eh?
[23:36] <dtchen> nixternal: you know the drill
[23:37] <nixternal> ya, forgot to post the link yesterday..what is the link to the script again?
[23:39] <dtchen> nixternal: use ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[23:40] <dtchen> unless you're sick of LP, in which case the script is at http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[23:40] <nixternal> running now
[23:40] <neversfelde> Riddell: thx for pushing the backport button^^
[23:40] <_Groo_> Riddell: hi Riddell, yeah during the week i dont usually enter irc because i cant at work and im very tired when i get home
[23:41] <_Groo_> Riddell: so i usually contribute ruding the weekend
[23:42] <_Groo_> Riddell: but point taken, ive sent my debian/ to apachelogger anyway, but he was confused with it because i didnt document what i had done
[23:42] <nixternal> dtchen: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/382968
[23:44] <dtchen> nixternal: is pulseaudio installed?
[23:44] <dtchen> it doesn't appear to be active from your output
[23:45] <Riddell> _Groo_: good to have you here though, maybe you can get into some more kubuntu ninjas work with beta 2 coming out
[23:46] <nixternal> <<< nixternal@ShakaDoobie :: ~ :: 17:45.52 Tue Jun 02 2009
[23:46] <nixternal> >>> [1044] dpkg -l \*pulse\* | grep \^ii
[23:46] <nixternal> ii  libpulse0                                               1:0.9.15-2ubuntu1                        PulseAudio client librarie
[23:46] <_Groo_> Riddell: sure.. one thing im trying to see is if kdebindings can be compiled this time, since it brakes some pyqt stuff (like some amarok extensions and some superkarmaba themes)
[23:47] <dtchen> nixternal: groups $USER |grep audio >/dev/null;echo $?
[23:47] <nixternal> 1
[23:47] <_Groo_> Riddell: from what ive seen so far, well have to backport current pqt from latest snapshots and some more stuff
[23:47] <_Groo_> pyqt
[23:47] <dtchen> nixternal: sudo adduser $USER audio, then log out and back in
[23:48] <Riddell> _Groo_: you don't go for the easy ones do you :)
[23:48] <_Groo_> Riddell: like for example? :D
[23:48] <nixternal> logging out..brb
[23:49] <Riddell> anything but kdebindings :)
[23:49] <_Groo_> Riddell: are you working on kdebindings? or is a no no  for beta2 also?
[23:50] <nixternal> dtchen: next?
[23:52] <dtchen> nixternal: apport-collect -p alsa-base 382968
[23:52] <nixternal> it works, jsut giving you a tough time because I totally didn't even catch the fact I wasn't even in the damn audio group anymore
[23:52] <dtchen> that's still a bug
[23:53] <nixternal> ok, I iwll continue on then
[23:53] <dtchen> policykit, via consolekit, manages access to @audio
[23:53] <dtchen> you shouldn't need to be in @audio to access /dev/snd/*
[23:53] <nixternal> argh, stupid x-www-browser crap
[23:53] <_Groo_> oh btw guys.. anyone whos using kde 4.3 beta 1. why policykit doesnt show up in systemsettings?
[23:53] <dtchen> that said, i don't know whether there's a policykit/consolekit/hal/devicekit/libudev migration
[23:54] <dtchen> IOW, i expect stuff to be broken WRT policykit/consolekit/hal/devicekit/libudev until a couple alphas from now
[23:56] <nixternal> dtchen: done
[23:57] <_Groo_> Riddell: where do i see the ninja tasks at hand?
[23:59] <Riddell> _Groo_: we'll make a wiki page when the tars become available (probably tomorrow)