[00:01] Riddell: when you read this, can you please reject kopete-facebook ? it misses a missing build-dep... I'm fixing and reuploading [00:01] none of us tried in a fresh pbuilder install :) [00:02] I'll wait for libqjso to reach the archives to make sure it's okay [00:07] shtylman: you rock :) [00:08] rejected [00:08] shtylman: the way you did it means it should support ioslaves right ? [00:08] Riddell: thanks [00:08] shtylman: screenshot screenshot! [00:08] Tonio_: not ness...cause it only passes a url to openoffice.. [00:08] shtylman: yeah I want to see that :) [00:09] shtylman: ok [00:09] so openoffice would have to support the kio slaves stuff [00:09] shtylman: unlikelly.... [00:09] yea [00:09] it would be very very painful [00:15] shtylman: if only ioslaves ad gfvs could have a common api... [00:15] indeed...if only... [00:16] still have a small drawing quirk to work out...then it will be perfect... [00:16] can't wait to see a screenshot :) [00:17] soon...hopefully [00:17] hehe [00:17] * nixternal throws in one more "can't wait to see a screenshot" :p [00:35] shtylman: awesome! can't wait to see a screenshot... :P [02:21] dtchen: hey, upgraded to karmic, sound is gone, your fault! [02:27] that could be an issue :) [02:39] nixternal: hehe [02:39] * Tonio_ works on jerboa source code... [02:40] jeesh, people in the ubuntu forums and on lp telling people to download stuff from also and recompile [02:42] * ScottK waves. [02:43] * nixternal waves back [02:47] * neversfelde is afraid of that apturl thing === santiago-pgsql is now known as santiago-ve [02:47] I tell users in our forum 10 times a day to not use ppas or other third party stuff [02:48] I think I can apply for pension, if apturl will be reality :) [02:51] lol [03:19] yo [03:20] Yo baby, yo baby, yo! [03:23] yo ho ho and a bottle of rum [03:31] i'm beat [03:32] up [03:37] vorian: girfriend beating you up again [03:37] nay, work === mcasadevall is now known as NCommander [04:22] we have kubuntu-netbook-remix? [04:23] freeflying: Working on a Kubuntu Netbook Edition. [04:28] ScottK: cool === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [09:48] Nightrose: where is amarok 1.2 due? [09:53] Riddell: nice typo :D [09:53] when [09:54] hm, Amarok 1.2... [09:54] not your day? [09:55] Riddell: end of the week FWIK [10:12] Riddell: tomorrow [10:12] late in the day === agateau_ is now known as agateau [10:52] qjson hasn't built, buildds must be having a post UDS rush [13:01] hmm bug 334052 and bug 330811 don't have great feedback [13:02] Launchpad bug 334052 in plasma-widget-network-manager "Network Manager Plasmoid won't connect to "WPA Enterprise" AP's in Jaunty" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/334052 [13:02] Launchpad bug 330811 in plasma-widget-network-manager "Can't connect to a hidden network" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/330811 [13:02] not sure what to do with plasma-w-n-m now [13:19] Riddell: as I see it they are both not regressions from jaunty, so they shouldn't stop the moving the -updates [13:20] the bugs shoudl be reopened and reinvestigated though [13:20] they are just not fixed yet :) so another option would be to just delay the move to -updates and get those 2 issues resolved first [13:33] apachelogger: but then what does it fix.. pitti will want bug numbers [13:40] hrm. konversation marker lines don't work anymore. [13:40] and the graphics corrupt, under compiz. [13:41] All of the KDE packages are FTBFS: http://paste.ubuntu.com/186507/ [13:41] right after CMake does its install stuff [13:42] JontheEchidna: needs debhelper.mk included I'd say [13:42] hmm, shouldn't kde.mk include that then? [13:43] JontheEchidna: for some reason most cdbs class files don't include debhelper.mk, never worked out why [13:44] help [13:44] oops, wrong channel, that was for &bitlbee :) [13:44] ryanakca: ? [13:44] oh phew, so long as you're not having a heart attack [13:45] Riddell: hehe, anything I can help with though? [13:45] Riddell: thanks [13:46] * ryanakca was told to stay home today so that I don't spread this blasted cold to everybody at school [13:46] ryanakca: beta 2 ninja time is due later today [13:46] not sure when though [13:46] ... meaning? [13:47] ryanakca: meaning beta 2 is being tagged and we should get tars that'll need packaging [13:47] ryanakca: oh you could test 4.2.4 if you have jaunty around [13:47] or a chroot [13:47] Riddell: could I throw a few packages needing main sponsorship at you? [13:47] nice to actually test things before we release them [13:48] JontheEchidna: you could [13:48] Riddell: Interesting concept. [13:48] ;-) [13:48] Riddell: Ah, where can I find the tarballs? And what repository should I add to test 4.2.4? [13:48] Riddell: Did you see the draft Kubuntu Netbook Edition spec I did? [13:48] bug 381142, bug 380947 and bug 382508 [13:48] Launchpad bug 381142 in plasma-widget-quickaccess "New upstream release (QuickAccess 0.8.1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/381142 [13:48] Launchpad bug 380947 in gtk2-engines-qtcurve "Please sponsor gtk2-engines-qtcurve 0.62.8-0ubuntu2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/380947 [13:48] Launchpad bug 382508 in libkipi "Request for removal (source and binary)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/382508 [13:50] ryanakca: tars will appear on the ktown server when they appear, not yet it seems [13:50] ryanakca: 4.2.4 is in ~kubuntu-experimental I think [13:51] ScottK: no, where's that? [13:51] Riddell: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-karmic-netbook-edition [13:51] We didn't have a UDS session on it, but Tonio, rgreening, and I talked about it in the evenings a fair bit. [13:53] Riddell: Ah, look at that, I'm already running it. I haven't run into any issues yet, but I'll prod around, any places I should particularly prod/test? [13:54] ryanakca: nothing paticular I don't think, if you're using it in normal use that's great [13:55] Oooh, kobby 1.0b3 is out, *upgrades the packages* [13:57] ryanakca: we still have merges in https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html and https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html if you want to tidy those up [13:58] Will do [13:59] JontheEchidna: all done thanks [13:59] New queue is now only six days long! [14:02] ryanakca: also could you test amarok from deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main for jaunty [14:03] Riddell: Sure [14:03] Could someone running 4.2.4 help me try to reproduce messed up notifications from Kopete? I have one that doesn't seem to want to disappear, regardless of how many times I hit view or ignore... === fjlacoste is now known as flacoste [14:04] vorian: ^^ ? [14:04] ScottK: "Test/Demo Plan" seems lacking [14:04] ScottK: what would the arm version be tested on? [14:04] Riddell: Agreed. I need to do some more investigation on it. === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [14:05] hiho [14:09] ryanakca / Riddell, let me check [14:10] ScottK: does ubuntu netbook remix do ARM? [14:11] Riddell: No, they just did it on lpia (now i386), but AFAIK there is no official product for armel yet. [14:11] ScottK: so why do you include ARM in the spec? what's the use case? [14:11] I've seen KDE running on small arm devices like N810 and freerunner. [14:12] I need to investigate specific platforms (those use older arm devices, so wouldn't be a target for us), but I believe it's reasonably doable. [14:13] that's the trouble with ARM, each device is different from the other, hard to make a generally installable medium [14:13] ScottK: most of the armel device only have opengles support [14:13] Riddell: I want to see Kubuntu everywhere, so I put it in because it's a place we might be able to get. [14:13] ScottK: but UNR needs opengl [14:13] I guess the question (I don't know the answer) is does the Plamsa MID shell need opengl? [14:14] seems like so :) [14:15] Seems it does. [14:15] Riddell: OK, based on opengl, I think armel should come out. Just i386 [14:15] * ScottK edits [14:16] hmm, then how does KDE work on the n810? [14:16] Riddell: well, works, but not fast [14:17] Riddell: It's slow, but it was usable. It was seele's (KDE 4.1.something) and I saw it a while ago, so I'd think it's better now. [14:17] is someone finally maintaining packages for the n810? i gave up on it months ago because all that was available is 4.1 [14:18] ScottK: you *can* run something like kspread but that doesnt mean you *should* :) [14:18] * seele was messing with her n810 the other day [14:18] i fried my 8gig sim card.. trying to see if i can restore it somehow [14:19] seele: Would you be up for reviewing the IRC client spec and making some priority recommendations for the items listed? [14:19] ScottK: is this quassel vs. konversation? [14:19] seele: Yes. [14:20] sigh, sure. i dont like where this might head though [14:20] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicIrc [14:20] s-c-p probably needs reviewed too [14:21] hmm.. i have a todo page somehwere i should update for karmic [14:29] ScottK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/seele/KarmicTODO [14:29] feel free to dump stuff there you think i should look at [14:29] Thanks. [14:29] Riddell: Amarok starts up with an error message: "There are exceptions caught in the script 'Librivox.org'. Please refer to the log." [14:29] And then the same for Lyricwiki.... [14:31] Nightrose: ^^ [14:31] ryanakca: start from command line please - looks like qtscriptgenerator problems [14:31] Nightrose: jaunty, packages from kubuntu-ppa [14:32] which version? [14:37] Nightrose: 2:2.1mysql5.1.30-0ubuntu2~jaunty1 >> amarok --debug ~ [14:38] >> amarok --debug ~ [14:38] Gah, *kicks copy/paste* [14:38] http://paste.ubuntu.com/186546/ [14:38] * Nightrose looks [14:38] hmm, maybe our qtscript packages aren't working [14:39] apachelogger: should the qtscript packages in kubuntu experimental work? [14:39] bah - can't access the pastebin right now sorry [14:39] Riddell: ryanakca: can you talk to nhnfreespirit? [14:40] he was looking into this problem [14:40] already happened with beta 1 [14:40] (which is why we wanted to have beta 2 testing :/) [14:40] i need to go back to some VTK hacking [14:40] Sure [14:44] same problem with the karmic version [14:45] neversfelde: of amarok? [14:45] yes [14:45] humph. works for me [14:45] neversfelde: do you have qtscript-tools installed? [14:46] no [14:46] neversfelde: try installing that and seeing if it helps [14:46] also libqtscript4-core [14:47] kwwii: ping [14:47] Riddell: no warning message anymore, seems to work now [14:48] neversfelde: after installing qtscript-tools ? [14:48] yes, it pulls in libqtscript4-core, too [14:48] ok, groovy, guess we need that as a depends [14:49] also the script widget is now working [14:50] Riddell: on the topic of kdegraphics cruft removal, libkdcraw can be removed too [14:50] Riddell: shall I create a bug report for this? [14:52] neversfelde: naw, I can fix it directly [14:52] k [14:52] JontheEchidna: ok [14:53] JontheEchidna: all done [14:53] nice [14:53] * JontheEchidna commits kdegraphics changes to bzr [14:55] ScottK: any idea what the status of mseide-msegui is? [14:55] I see your name on bug 363464 [14:55] Launchpad bug 363464 in mseide-msegui "Please remove mseide-msegui source and all binaries from Jaunty" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/363464 [14:56] version 1.8-1 is in New queue but 1.8-1ubuntu1 was at one time in jaunty [14:56] Riddell: libkexiv2 too [14:57] Riddell: IIRC it should be fine for Karmic. I just asked it removed from Jaunty as most of the needed packages didn't make it into the release. [14:57] Someone should fakesync that to a higher revision then. [14:57] right [14:58] * Riddell wonders how to do that [14:58] New queue down to 26 hours old! [14:58] Grab it from New, slap a ubuntu2 revision entry in there an upload? [14:59] oh, libkexiv2 is gone since jaunty [14:59] nevermind [14:59] * ScottK will be back from $WORK in about 10 hours. [14:59] Working offline this week and next. [15:11] yuriy: pong [15:15] Were we still keeping KDE3/Qt3 apps? [15:18] ryanakca: the hope is to get rid of them if possible [15:19] kwwii: hey man :) [15:19] rgreening: ... so, with kobby, we could ditch mateedit ? [15:19] ryanakca: what is mateedit? [15:19] I suspect mateedit is long since unmaintained [15:19] rgreening: Description: collaborative editor for KDE ... apt-cache show mateedit [15:20] I'd send it to the recycle bin :) [15:20] Riddell: the website hasn't been updated since 2005 [15:21] hi [15:21] hi Tonio_ [15:21] hi Tonio_ [15:22] shouldn't amarok depend on libqtscript4-qtbindings ? [15:22] scripts are broken here unless I install this... [15:23] Tonio_: yes [15:23] kk I'm doing the update then [15:27] Tonio_: in karmic or in jaunty? [15:28] Riddell: karmic [15:29] uploaded [15:33] pffff the builds are long to perform on soyuz [15:33] mm hmm [15:33] I fixed a little lib (libgcal) for akonadi-googledata to build, 24 hours ago, and it's not finished yet [15:33] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgcal/0.9.0-1ubuntu1 [15:34] Queued: 16 hours ago [15:34] Estimated build start: in 4 hours [15:34] argh ! [15:35] same for qjson... that's why I still didn't upload kopete-facebook [15:36] Tonio_: you can upload it, it'll just dep wait [15:36] Tonio_: k-d-s. I think we should turn Previews back on in Dolphin by defualt [15:37] Riddell: I wanna be sure it builds first.... my first upload had a missing build-dep [15:38] Riddell: yes, has it been removed in kds ? if so that's bad... [15:39] Tonio_: well it doesn't seem to be on by default any more [15:40] Riddell: oki changing this [15:40] super [15:41] is the panel supposed to resize to "however big is needed" within the constraints of min & max sizes? karmic's seems to just stick to the min size, period, end of story, even if it means cutting some plasmoids in half [15:42] Riddell: talking about the icons preview or the preview pane ? [15:42] maco: I don't follow, the panel should be 100% width unless set otherwise [15:42] Tonio_: icon previews (preview pane is on and should remain so) [15:42] i'm talking about the "set otherwise" [15:42] you know how you can set a min & max width? [15:43] that makes it *seem* like it should resize automatically to try to fit all the plasmoids at their natural sizes, but cannot be smaller than some amount nor larger than other set amount [15:44] however, when i set a minimum size that is smaller than absolutely necessary to display all plasmoids, it'll just cut my pager in half instead of growing to "bigger than minimum, but smaller than maximum" [15:45] Riddell: hum I wonder where this is stored, no change in .kde/share/config when I change the view settings... [15:45] rgreening: hey [15:45] yop kwwii, rgreening [15:46] hum that's in apps... too bad [15:46] maco: oh wow, my panel is horribly broken now [15:46] the applets are all on top of each other [15:46] remind me never to play with plasma settings again [15:46] even without resizing the panel, my kicker was sitting on top of the tray [15:47] figuring out how to grab it to move it was an exercise in frustration [15:47] and why did the upgrade rearrange everything into a heap and throw my panel to the bottom of the screen? i thought settings like that were supposed to persist [15:48] by the way, regarindt he pager and its behaviour when you click the current workspace, i *think* it is determined by the value (0,1,2) of...well, find plugin=pager and note its container and applet #s then find the configuration section for the same container & applet #s, then its currentDesktopSelected=2 [15:49] s/regarindt/regarding/ [15:50] Riddell: the easiest way to get this set on by default is patching ./src/settings/dolphin_directoryviewpropertysettings.kcfg [15:50] Riddell: nevermind if I do that ? [15:50] * ryanakca headdesks because of maintainers and bloody inline patches :/ [15:51] ryanakca, sorry [15:51] i've done plenty of those [15:52] maco: well I guess test with beta 2 next week and moan to plasma people if it's still broken [15:52] Tonio_: no way to just have a setting in k-d-s? [15:52] maco: Outch, use quilt, very easy to use... add an include to debian/rules and add it as a build-dep, then just go "quilt push -a; quilt new patch_name.diff, quilt edit filename; quilt refresh; quilt pop -a" :) [15:52] Riddell: with share/apps entries, that's pretty crap, really [15:53] Riddell: and pretty random too :) [15:53] ryanakca, -_- i just break things when i try quilt [15:53] Riddell: well it'll just be a one line patch, not hard to maintain as this shouldn't change in the future on upstream side [15:53] though..hrm [15:53] question! [15:54] is it valid to start the patch management stuff then at the part where you'd normally edit files, just run the "patch" command on it and then tell it you're done "editing"? [15:54] wow the now playing widget is really clever, it only shows pause and next in the panel [15:55] Tonio_: thanks for taking care about mlt/kdenlive, but I see two problems with mlt package when trying to backport to jaunty: [15:55] kwwii: I can start working on a list of OO.o icons I haven't found in Oxygen. What can I do with such a list? [15:55] Lure: which are ? [15:55] Tonio_: usr/bin is not packaged (/usr/bin/melt is required by kdenlive) [15:55] Tonio_, i think he was typing ;) [15:56] Tonio_: and libmlt++2 is empty (libmlt++1.install has to be renamed) [15:56] maco: ... not sure if I understand, "patch" command? as in /usr/bin/patch ? or quilt? [15:56] as in /usr/bin/patch [15:56] like after the "quilt new" part [15:56] then run /usr/bin/patch with whatever patch you need to add [15:57] Lure: you're right... [15:57] Lure: testing all of this was on my plans for today... fixing [15:57] Tonio_: no problem, I just wanted to do my next video editing with new version, that is why I started backport sooner ;-) [15:58] Lure: yup yup [15:58] Lure: new mlt package was a pain to do since they merged mlt++ in it [15:58] Tonio_: yep [15:58] Lure: and I couldn't get anyone to review, so I pushed on considering "if you broke everything, you'll be aware soon !!" :) [15:58] best way to get your changes reviewed sometimes :) [15:59] Tonio_: true that ;-) [15:59] and not many on karmic anyhow, so not much damage [15:59] maco: Not sure, you could quilt push -a; quilt import yourpatch.diff; quilt refresh; quilt pop -a [16:00] Tonio_: btw, my jaunty packages are in this ppa: https://edge.launchpad.net/~lure/+archive/video [16:01] Lure: right [16:01] Tonio_: I just did temporary fix and added usr/bin to libmlt1.install ;-) [16:01] oki let's fix it then :) [16:02] shtylman: ping [16:03] just had a thought - even if we switch to arora, apps that embed khtml like akregator will still be using it, so some pages will look different [16:04] Riddell: kdebase uploaded with the dolphin patch [16:04] Lure: your turn !! [16:05] Tonio_: still not sure if we need "mlt" package for binaries (and kdenlive to depend on it) [16:05] Tonio_: this command looks like very internal, but it still is not a library ;-) [16:06] Lure: where was it with previous uploads ? I think it wasn't installed right ? [16:06] that's why I didn't install it... [16:06] maybe a new package would be good indeed [16:06] Tonio_: I think it is new binary [16:06] Tonio_: before mlt was library only [16:06] Lure: I don't think so, but anyway [16:06] * Lure checks [16:06] Lure: we had a anigo binary before, so there it is, we should have an mlt one [16:09] Riddell: call for bug reports :D [16:09] I certanly think that WPA 2 auth is working better [16:09] also autoconnect didnt work [16:09] Tonio_: there was /usr/bin/mlt-config [16:09] in libmlt-dev [16:09] Lure: kk [16:09] Lure: what for the desc ? [16:09] Tonio_: re play dvd removal : the three menu entries should be replaced with some "play disc" thingy [16:10] at the very most [16:10] Tonio_: merci [16:10] I find the whole entry rather useless, the only usecase I would imagine for it would be that you were watching a video while inserting the dvd [16:10] and then you want to watch the dvd [16:11] then again that is why the start tabs content should be used in the playback tab when no video is playing [16:11] the black widget aint much good looking either [16:11] Riddell: de rien :) [16:11] Lure: I think mlt replaces inigo [16:12] Lure: Inigo is a powerful multitrack command line oriented video editor. === JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: One more time we gonna celebrate | Karmic: http://tinyurl.com/n2to8u | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Sync/Merges: http://tinyurl.com/korm9e | Be careful whilst packaging | Transitions: http://tinyurl.com/m68bne [16:12] ok [16:12] seriously [16:12] Tonio_: it seems inigo is renamed to melt: http://www.mltframework.org/twiki/bin/view/MLT/ExtremeMakeover [16:13] someone do something about that topic [16:13] Lure: yup [16:14] Tonio_: so we should rename inigo package to melt and do Conflicts/Replaces [16:15] Tonio_: btw, there is one in Debian already: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/melt [16:15] Tonio_: so we should rather merge [16:15] Lure: done here [16:15] hum when did they do that ? [16:15] wasn't there yesterday [16:16] Tonio_: not sure, that I got on google now ;-) [16:16] Lure: okay they did exactly the same thing as me... what a waste of time [16:17] Tonio_: that is why working on debian alioth svn is probably the way to go [16:17] since I wanted to sync with them... [16:17] Lure: true, in a certain way [16:18] * Lure tries to merge digikam/kipi-plugins ubuntu changes back to debian that way [16:18] Lure: I uploaded debian's package for sync [16:20] * Lure has to run [16:30] Tonio_: k3b 1.66 offers to install libk3b3-extracodecs and not libk3b6-extracodecs, is this correct? [16:31] neversfelde: of course not :) [16:32] :) [16:32] neversfelde: at least the patch works, which is pretty cool :) [16:34] hehe, yes it works fine [16:36] neversfelde: I really like this mecanism [16:36] +1 it is very userfriendly [16:37] rekonq is on review, can someone look at it please ? [16:37] as well as frescobaldi, for which nobody cares for months... [16:37] that would be very nice :) [16:41] rgreening: here [16:41] hey shtylman [16:41] howdy [16:42] do you remember the nick of the guy who was in the ubiquity session with us? The one who is going to help also with usb-creator? [16:42] I wanted to ping him on usb-creator [16:42] hm...nope...I do not..sorry :/ [16:43] hmm.. crud [16:43] Tonio_: ^^ [16:43] maybe Tonio_ remembers [16:43] :) [16:43] my brain is fille dwith cold/flu fluids.. cant think [16:44] *sniff* [16:44] man...you too eh? [16:44] Riddell also got owned ... [16:44] ya [16:44] rgreening: shtylman ? who else ? [16:45] rgreening: I wasn't there at the ubiquity one [16:45] Tonio_: was the same guy in the usb-creator [16:46] rgreening: evan ? [16:46] evand is the usb creator guy [16:47] yup [16:47] rgreening: Evan Dandrea [16:48] Thanks Riddell/Tonio_ [16:48] rgreening: yw [16:50] apachelogger, hrmm what about wpa2? [16:50] Tonio_: rekonq's packaging looks good, but the long description looks iffy imo [16:51] JontheEchidna: I wasn't greatly inspired to be honnest.... I just did a copy/paste from upstream's website [16:51] JontheEchidna: feel free to write any better one :) [16:51] ok [16:52] JontheEchidna: if you propose me any better one, I'll fix and upload [16:56] maco: didn't work in stock jaunty network-manager plasmoid [16:56] it certainly does with what is in proposed [16:57] Tonio_: How's this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/186635/ [16:57] and here i go, upgrading to karmic where even *normal* WPA doesn't work with the nm plasmoid! pffft my timing sucks! [16:57] maco: well, karmic might still have the same svn snapshot jaunty has [16:57] the new one is only in proposed AFAIK [16:58] nah, jaunty worked for normal WPA, just not WPA2 [16:59] JontheEchidna: not bad :) [16:59] JontheEchidna: can I upload fixing the desc then ? [16:59] Tonio_: oh, it might be good if I testbuild first [16:59] maco: maybe we have a regression at hand? [16:59] Tonio_: but probably it would be ok to upload [17:00] JontheEchidna: ho sure ! ;) [17:00] apachelogger, yar [17:00] JontheEchidna: I'll wait for your permission [17:00] maco: does your AP only support WPA? [17:00] * apachelogger would find it weird to use WPA when WPA2 is available :P [17:00] i'm not sure my roommate's laptop supports WPA2 [17:01] should check [17:01] its running windows...i dont know how [17:01] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_Protected_Access#WPA2 [17:01] maco: just change the AP to WPA2 and see if the laptop still connects :) [17:01] heh [17:02] well i'm moving out over the course of this week anyway. person i'm living with now does, i think, have all wpa2-able hardware. we just have no internets in the new place yet :P [17:02] oh dear [17:02] no intartubes access is horrible [17:03] Anybody know of an easy to use repo managing app? I used to use Seveas' falcon, but it doesn't seem to work on hardy anymore and requires python2.4 :/ [17:03] Tonio_: oh, there isn't an XSBC-Original-Maintainer [17:03] JontheEchidna: hum true [17:03] * apachelogger remembered that awkward time last summer when they "accidently" cut the street's landline [17:03] oh dear [17:03] JontheEchidna: not necessary :P [17:03] JontheEchidna: fixed [17:03] ryanakca: the are loads of them [17:04] search help.ubuntu.com [17:04] Tonio_: Packaging rekonq? [17:04] apt-ftparchive being the simplest of those [17:04] it really just dumps the binary files in $folder [17:04] oi oi [17:05] so if you want to have a pocket based system you might want to look into something different :D [17:05] ryanakca: yup [17:05] Tonio_: feel like getting it into Debian? [17:06] ryanakca: why not, but I'll not be the one doing this :) [17:06] If only arora had session management/tab restoration after crashes... [17:06] apachelogger: I don't really care, I just want a way to get libqinfinity in a repo so that I can use it while compiling kobby for sid... [17:06] ryanakca: I decided to stop this 3 years ago since I got tired of getting ignored whenever I used my @ubuntu.com address [17:06] and answered when using the @gmail.com one [17:06] * JontheEchidna finds it a pain to open up all his tabs in the proper order every time he opens arora [17:06] ryanakca: anyway, they can merge my package if they want it [17:07] ryanakca: that's arch, I know :) [17:07] ryanakca: but anyone wanting my package is free to sync [17:07] Tonio_: ship it! [17:07] looks just fine here :) [17:08] JontheEchidna: kk I fixed the 2 issues you mentionned [17:08] JontheEchidna: uploaded thanks :) [17:08] you're welcome [17:08] * JontheEchidna tries rekonq [17:08] now if someone could *please* revu frescobaldi.... it's been waiting in revu for month... [17:09] and I don't want to override the revu proces... [17:09] tag it with kde or qt :P [17:09] Tonio_: rekonq contains GPL 3 in COPYING but is GPL 2 in source [17:10] Synopsis: LilyPond sheet music editor for KDE4 [17:10] doh, missed that [17:10] aint no goody [17:10] Tonio_: that can be accepted into the archive fine (GPL 2 can be upgraded) but it's a bit weird [17:10] why would I care that it is KDE 4? [17:10] Tonio_: Hehe, I've been waiting for months to get it into Debian, builds fine under karmic, but it doesn't under sid... because lilypond has been broken for ages [17:10] Riddell: yes, you're right, I'll ping upstream about that [17:10] I mean besides the fact that we used KDE 4 all across instead of KDE4 [17:10] ryanakca: still last week, I sent 3 debdiffs using my ubuntu account, got ignored [17:11] ryanakca: and everytime I use another address, it's okay [17:11] why would I, as user, care about it being for KDE 4, considering I don't have a KDE 3 desktop available from non-3rd-party-sources and I probably won't care either if I was using gnome or xfce [17:11] ryanakca: I'm sick of waisting my time with debian on that point... [17:11] kb9vqf has loads of stuff on revu! [17:11] ryanakca: when I send a fix or anything, 50% go in 50% is waste of time... [17:11] ryanakca: I may be very unlucky, but I don't want to work with people who don't accept collaboration [17:12] ryanakca: collaborate with others is the reason I'm doing free software [17:12] Tonio_: *nod*, do you have a sponsor or do you just wait for someone to pick it up? It's incredibly fast with a sponsor, a day or two and it gets uploaded [17:12] ryanakca: I know my opinion about that is arch, especially since I have lots of friends at debian [17:12] the mysterious usrlp just added Kubuntu/UbuntuFeatureParity to KubuntuKarmicSpecs [17:13] ryanakca: I don't have a sponsor no, since I decided to stop sending emails 3 years ago except for very specific packages whom I know the maintainer well, fabo for example [17:13] ryanakca: my work is open source, so if they decide to repackage something they miss and we don't already have, I don't see why I should do that for them [17:13] Riddell: that's usr, he's been annoying apachelogger and myself in the bug tracker for ages ;-) [17:14] *nod* [17:14] JontheEchidna: and he registered a session at UDS which somehow got accepted [17:14] ryanakca: they are waisting a lot of energy not merging our packages when working on them, that's not my problem, especially since I tried to collaborate, and got mostly rejected... [17:15] ryanakca: and yeah, I know, I should be ass kicked speaking like this... ^^ [17:15] does kubuntu include a cd burner by default? [17:15] (on that feature parity topic) [17:15] ryanakca: anyway, I still love debian, just than my personal experience with them has been bad in the past, period :) [17:15] maco: k3b [17:16] Tonio_: *nod*, I had the same issues, but the -fr people are quite welcomming and now that I have a sponsor, it's not all that bad [17:17] ryanakca: yeah and that's what I HATE about that [17:18] ryanakca: have a sponsor ? you are respectable [17:18] no sponsor ? then you're just a pet [17:19] ryanakca: and it's because we do the exact opposite than I contribute to ubuntu, and not to fedora or opensuse :) [17:19] ryanakca: so technically I should contribute to debian [17:19] ryanakca, ok i wasnt sure if that was included on the cd since its still qt3 [17:19] ryanakca: but my ethics is to contribute to the most opened community only :) [17:20] ryanakca: and to me my ethics is more important than the technical things, otherwise I would do bsd or osx stuff :) [17:20] maco: I don't know about karmic, but it's here on jaunty... [17:20] ryanakca: and that's all thanks to Riddell :) since he invited me when I wanted to learn and didn't knew anything about packaging [17:21] ryanakca: when debian just told me to come back in 2 years, after having learned about the policy and packaging guide... :) [17:21] :) [17:21] * Tonio_ must have been very unlucky [17:22] so I assume you can understand than when they came back 6 month later to ask me to contribute to debian instead, I was like.... [17:22] unlikelly to accept :) [17:22] ryanakca, i honestly have not looked through the menu to see what is included by default. i have the apps i want installed, and i launch them like this: mod+shift+enter (to open a shell in xmonad), type in "nohup &" mod+shift+c (to close the shell) [17:22] Tonio_: Of course [17:23] ryanakca: the time I decided to stop was after sending 5 debdifs for kdepim to fix packaging issues [17:23] ryanakca: none of them got any response, so I tried using an anonimous address a few weeks later, all accepted... [17:23] ryanakca: that was my last collaboration attempt :) [17:24] * Tonio_ hugs Riddell for never rejecting n00bs :) [17:24] Tonio_: Mind you, I think Debian has pretty much gotten over the Ubuntu/Debian rift... [17:25] I would think anyways, or hope... [17:25] ryanakca: not by ethics, but by obvious choice [17:25] ryanakca: and if they really do, then they should merge my rekonq package right ? [17:25] ryanakca: here is the deal, let's see what happens when they'll package it ;) [17:25] Tonio_: it hasn't been packaged yet, but there is an ITP for it... [17:26] ryanakca: yes, and if it goes in ubuntu first, then eventually it'll be merged right ? [17:26] we'll see ;) [17:32] JontheEchidna: archiving rekonq on revu [17:37] Tonio_: frescobaldi reviewed [17:38] Should I get the konversation packaging under a bzr branch on LP? [17:38] sure [17:42] * Tonio_ wonders if we should make kdenlive part of the distro... [17:42] sure it needs multiverse components, but we can use update-notifier-kde to install them [17:43] and both windows and osx have a video editor installed by default... [17:44] Riddell: couldn't that be considered when we drop kdelibs4 deps ? [17:49] hotness: http://imagebin.ca/view/a2W7MT.html [17:50] Tonio_: drop kdelibs4 deps from what? [17:50] ^My default desktop proposal, though my screenshot is missing folderview [17:51] Riddell: frmo the cd :) [17:52] JontheEchidna, nice :D [17:52] * JontheEchidna hopes the Air theme is included in beta2 [17:52] Tonio_: we only have one and shtylman is working on it [17:52] Riddell: yes I know, but that'll make some space free [17:53] Riddell: so I was wondering if kdenlive shouldn't fit on the cd... [17:53] unless it is technically condamned to multiverse [17:53] Tonio_: i wanted to use kdenlive for some video editing 2 days ago (just add sound) [17:53] it was a nightmare :( [17:54] Nightrose: really ? [17:54] i gave up in the end [17:54] Nightrose: lots of people seem to like it except it isn't as stable as it should [17:54] someone more into video editing might judge it differently [17:54] but I just couldn't make it do what i wanted it [17:55] Tonio_: we're 70MB oversized [17:55] oh [17:55] Riddell: ouch... [17:55] hehe [17:55] guess that solves it [17:55] Riddell: well on the dvd at least :) [17:55] we're probably 70 MB over because kdeplasma-addons now has plasma-wallpapers-addons which depends on both the wallpapers from kdebase and kdeartwork [17:55] JontheEchidna, oh, i'd say the text on the panel (i think thats part of the plasma theme?) isnt dark enough / high enough contrast, though the theme itself looks nice [17:56] Tonio_: sure, if you want to get rid of the multiverse deps and do the main inclusion report for it and any remaining deps [17:56] but it has complex libraries and they may not get through MIR [17:56] Tonio_: I have branched the latest usb-creator and have in under lp:~roderick-greening/usb-creator/kde-frontend [17:56] maco: yeah, the oxygen team really outdid itself with the Air theme, it rocks [17:57] Riddell: just a thought, mlt in main it pretty harad, that's true [17:57] Tonio_: I subscribed you to that branch so you can see what changes, etc I make. [17:57] Riddell: but the latest upstream release avoids code duplication, so why not [17:57] though I can't see how you could make the panel text any more black... perhaps you just don't like my font settings ;) [17:57] multiverse deps can be installed the way we do for k3b for example [17:57] atm I wonder why latest kdenlive upload ftbfs... weird... [17:58] my amarok broke :( [17:58] JontheEchidna, it looks grey when i look at the screenshot [17:59] * Tonio_ notice we should ship with a default kdenliverc file too in kds [17:59] maco: probably jpeg artifacts [17:59] major universe apps shoul also get their nagscreen removed and so on [18:02] so after the latest updates my amarok is just sitting there "updating system configuration." :( [18:02] no splash screen or anything [18:06] so [18:06] it is 7 pm and I am so drunk that I almost fell over [18:06] I guess that is no good [18:10] purging and reinstalling amarok fixed it [18:16] Sput, feature request: "mark as away on all networks" [18:16] * maco back to being away [18:19] maco: file a bug report? [18:33] apachelogger: impressive review for frescobaldi :) that quick... [18:34] what is frescobaldi? [18:37] apachelogger: also, lots of applications have very hight initialpreference, especially kde 4 apps... [18:37] apachelogger: grep -re InitialPre /usr/share/applications [18:38] Tonio_: most of them should not [18:38] apachelogger: sure [18:38] apachelogger: I'll ping upstream about that, but won't patch, are you okay about that ? [18:38] also what to do about mo files ? [18:38] really, IMHO that stanza should only be used by distros or for core utils like say dolphin [18:39] Tonio_: I would patch it away TBH [18:39] if a user installs an application after frescobaldi it clearly indicates that the app didn't fit his needs [18:39] so the app shouldn't enforce an override [18:40] apachelogger: or repack the tarball would be easier I suspect no ? [18:40] well, patching is easier for this change [18:41] however, in combination with the .mo stuff you might want to go for repack and ensure upstream adopts the changes for his next release [18:41] jussi01, i had to put it on the screen so i wouldnt forget by the end of picking up lunch :P im forgetful [18:41] because I really think the .mos are generated at build time [18:41] sec, gotta check [18:41] apachelogger: kk [18:41] [ 0%] [ 0%] cd po && /usr/bin/msgfmt -v -o /tmp/buildd/frescobaldi-0.7.9/obj-i486-linux-gnu/po/tr.mo /tmp/buildd/frescobaldi-0.7.9/po/tr.po [18:41] yeah [18:41] they just need to be stripped from the tarball [18:42] Tonio_: so you might want to carry the intiialpref change via a repack as well, but make sure it gets applied by upstream for the next tarball :) [18:42] yup [18:42] I have to reboot [18:42] I'll fix all of that [18:57] do we have Skrooge packages somewhere? [18:57] * Nightrose would love to give it a try [19:00] ahhhh Tonio_ - google tells me you packaged skrooge [19:00] is your package usable? [19:00] Nightrose: it is :3 [19:00] and which ppa did you hide it in? :D [19:00] Quintasan: ahhh good - do you know where? [19:00] Nightrose: universe [19:01] huh? i just tried and couldn't find it.... [19:01] at least apt-cache shows that [19:01] * Nightrose checks again [19:01] bah.... pebcak [19:01] thx Quintasan :) [19:01] np :D [19:19] one moar time [19:19] Nightrose, markey, Mamarok, emonkey: we gotta voip some day again [19:19] apachelogger: indeed :) [19:20] * Mamarok will have to install skype again then or shall we try ekiga now? [19:20] hm, no, still too much hassle to setup really [19:52] apachelogger: hm? voip-session? [19:55] emonkey: sküp [19:56] apachelogger: uh ahm my skype has no audio atm with kde4 and till now I had'nt the time to fix that ... I'll do that after my exams. [19:56] huh? [19:57] last time I checked you shouldn't watch videos meanwhile ;-) [19:57] hmk ... [20:10] JontheEchidna: around? konversation alpha3 is out, can I ? :) [20:13] what does this mean: dh: --with quilt not supported or failed to load module Debian::Debhelper::Sequence::quilt [20:13] * Lure really hates this quilt auto-magic [20:15] Lure: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=515725 [20:15] Debian bug 515725 in debhelper "debhelper v7 (dh): patch/unpatch support" [Wishlist,Open] [20:15] I think you need a newer debhelper version to use --with-quilt. I ran into the same problem some days ago [20:16] neversfelde: is it availble for jaunty? [20:17] Lure: I do not think so [20:18] ebian-qt-kde.mk [20:18] ups, sorry [20:18] plasma-widget-daisy builds with ebian-qt-kde.mk [20:18] but not with kde.mk [20:18] :/ [20:21] * Lure just dropped --with quilt and hopes it will work === Tscheesy__ is now known as Tscheesy_ [20:43] <_Groo_> hi/2 all.. [20:48] heelo _Groo_ [20:48] <_Groo_> hi jjesse [20:48] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ping === groo_ is now known as _Groo_ [21:01] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ping [21:14] _Groo_: too drunk to pong [21:15] apachelogger: have one for me!! :D [21:15] Riddell, ping? [21:15] apachelogger, ding? [21:15] apachelogger: Cheers [21:15] no donging either [21:16] * apachelogger is depressiv and drunk and possibly in love [21:16] aint no good combination at all [21:16] <_Groo_> apachelogger: no problemo, just wanna check if you used my debian/ in the amarok package [21:16] * Quintasan pats apachelogger [21:16] _Groo_: you removed all patches [21:16] apachelogger: son... [21:16] which is rather crude really [21:16] <_Groo_> apachelogger: they werent needed anymore [21:17] are you sure about that? [21:17] _Groo_: you really should document changes [21:17] <_Groo_> apachelogger: from what ive seen they where either upstream or obsoleted [21:17] <_Groo_> apachelogger: and i agree, i should document more [21:17] Tm_T: huh? [21:18] apachelogger: being drunk is not nice, son (;) [21:18] I noticed when I ran into the door [21:18] then again being auto aggressive isn't either [21:19] anyway, gotta have therapy tomorrow evening [21:19] * Tm_T is always nice [21:19] apachelogger: thanks for reminding me [21:19] it seems like language engine is broken :D [21:19] Tm_T: yw :) [21:19] Tm_T: you are really the greatest mom one can have [21:19] <3 [21:20] <_Groo_> ¬¬ [21:21] that looks weird [21:27] <_Groo_> apachelogger: so you didnt use my debian at all? [21:28] I didn't do anything becaus eI ra out of time [21:28] goood luck with finding appropriate spelling for that [21:28] too drunk to write => off to bed [21:28] nini kubuntu [21:29] n8 apachelogger [21:29] nini apachelogger [21:32] <_Groo_> apachelogger: so who published amarok today??? [21:47] hi, i've run "kdesudo dolphin" and all kde crashed and kick me at login screen. http://pastebin.com/da33f7dd i'm under jaunty [21:49] could somebody explain or give me a link to the reason why Ctrl+Alt+Backspace has been disabled by default? I know about dontzap, just need some arguments [21:50] Mamarok: users pressing it accidentally [21:51] Nightrose: I know, still I need more than that, and already know the Blueprint [21:51] ok well user presses it accidentally -> kills his x session -> unsaved thesis work gone [21:51] ;-) [21:52] Nightrose: as I said, I know, just some stringent arguments from above would be nice to have [21:52] Nightrose: I know all what you said already, where has it been decided by whom, etc. as there are as many reasons against as for it [21:53] decided by xorg [21:53] ubuntu decided to follow but allow changing it [21:53] * Mamarok still wonders how somebody can "accidentally" press this key combination... [21:53] ok, the Xorg argument is compelling, thx :) [21:53] it's a key combination from windows iirc [21:54] i'm don't remember what it does though [21:54] * Nightrose lost work twice due to killing x this way btw [21:54] now i know better but back then i didn't [21:55] so i think the decision is good and those who know can turn it back on [21:55] (I did turn it back on) [21:57] emacs or something uses that key combination [21:59] <_Groo_> m4v: emacs uses every key, every combo, every thing you can think off.. emacs is pure evil... [22:00] lex79: I haven't started anything, but you might want to coordinate with ryanakca since I think he was going to set up a bzr branch for konversation [22:00] I don't think anybody's started it yet [22:01] JontheEchidna: What, the merge? [22:01] ryanakca: new upstream alpha a few hours ago [22:01] JontheEchidna: Ah, lovely [22:01] if modax is fast enough maybe it's even in debian experimental [22:02] JontheEchidna: there are two problem with konversation [22:02] Nightrose: I am all for it, just had to argue with the people making the Swiss Remix not to change it back again... [22:02] Debian has 1.2~alpha2-1 [22:02] 1)missing documentation [22:02] btw, KDE 4.3 beta2 tagging in 12 hours [22:02] Mamarok: ewwww - ok [22:02] 2) kubuntu's patch not applied [22:03] I think due the last merge [22:03] Nightrose: we will release a warning for the fglrx driver though, this is a big mess IMHO, still can't use my ATI card... [22:04] neversfelde: oh, you'll need to include debhelper.mk if you use kde.mk [22:05] JontheEchidna: ok, thank you, I ll try it [22:06] _Groo_: yep, i'm with vim. [22:06] lex79: lp:~kubuntu-members/konversation/ubuntu [22:07] lex79: Are you familiar with bzr-builddeb ? [22:07] ryanakca: no, btw I'm not kubuntu member, so I can't push on it :) [22:10] lex79: push to lp:~/konversation/ubuntu and someone will merge it in. Anyways, bzr-builddeb is easy to use. cd to wherever you want to work, then go: bzr init-repo konversation && cd konversation && bzr checkout lp:~kubuntu-members/konversation/ubuntu && cd ubuntu && bzr bd-do .... do your changes, debuild, try building, etc. then Ctrl-D to exit, if you added any files, bzr add them, if you removed them, bzr rm. then: ... [22:10] ... bzr commit -m "Blah blah blah" && bzr push lp:~lex79/konversation/ubuntu ... and poke someone to merge it in [22:10] Hope that makes sense :) [22:11] hohohoho : http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/pim/syncml/ !!!!!!!! [22:11] tah, we need [22:11] ryanakca: thanks :) [22:11] Tonio_: cool [22:12] neversfelde: I'll package... [22:12] lex79: Feel free to ask in here if you run into problems, and you can get the documentation for bzr-builddeb here: http://jameswestby.net/bzr/builddeb/user_manual/ ... we use merge mode [22:12] neversfelde: it's a SoC project, so therefore should be okay for karmic [22:12] Tonio_: very good, let me know, when you have somethin usable [22:12] I ll test it :) [22:13] * neversfelde ist excited [22:14] neversfelde: also I have a gosync account to test ;) [22:16] ryanakca: thanks, seems easy :) [22:20] how to save a document on an Infinoted Server with kobby? [22:39] neversfelde: Not sure, I'm still trying to get my packages built for Debian [22:40] mhh, promising software, but I need to figure out how to use :) [22:44] if someone has the time. bug #382865 needs a sponsor [22:44] Launchpad bug 382865 in plasma-widget-daisy "New upstream version (0.0.4.14) available" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/382865 [23:01] neversfelde: uploaded, thanks for your contribution to Kubuntu [23:01] Danke [23:01] äh thank you :) [23:03] you're welcome :) [23:09] NCommander: you pung? [23:09] Riddell, I did, but I got slangasek to answer my question instead :-) [23:09] why is there no process with bug 379566, do I have to ask someone to get it over the line or is it just because of UDS and all devs singing karaoke? [23:09] Launchpad bug 379566 in jaunty-backports "Please backport choqok-0.6 to jaunty" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/379566 [23:10] _Groo_: I don't think we've said hi [23:10] nellery, backports in general haven't been seeing a lot of love recently [23:10] er neversfelde [23:10] Oh, Scott already acked it [23:11] Riddell, can you push the magic-backport button? [23:11] NCommander: ok [23:11] _Groo_: we had to duplicate the amarok packaging because I wasn't sure where you had put your packaging and I couldn't be sure you'd turn up in time after you didn't appear on irc yesterday [23:12] _Groo_: so some duplicate work there, sorry about that, but lesson is never leave IRC :) [23:12] neversfelde: it's just UDS getting in the way, I spent the whole day doing New queue which hadn't been emptied in three weeks [23:13] NCommander: on chokoq or something else? [23:13] k, so I can write my next backport request :) [23:13] Riddell, chokoq please [23:14] don't search for chokoq, better choqok :D [23:14] neversfelde: the syncml thing doesn't compile here.... I'll check regularly, but we need to have this in for karmic :) [23:15] Tonio_: yes, I am looking forward, good to see some progress in this sector [23:16] neversfelde: can you compile it ? [23:17] neversfelde: it won't find syncml.h when the includes are good.... hard to know what happens... [23:17] Tonio_: I didn't try it [23:17] cmake is nice, but harder to "debug" when something wrong occurs... [23:19] mhh, it is quite new software, so hopefully it will grow better the next days [23:20] I would be glad to write a doc about syncing karmic with smartphones and others [23:21] neversfelde: well SoC projects tend to be achived especially when those are little ones [23:21] neversfelde: I'm full of hope =) [23:22] :D [23:22] sehr gut [23:33] 7topic [23:36] nixternal: eh? [23:36] nixternal: you know the drill [23:37] ya, forgot to post the link yesterday..what is the link to the script again? === Mez_ is now known as Mez [23:39] nixternal: use ubuntu-bug alsa-base [23:40] unless you're sick of LP, in which case the script is at http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh [23:40] running now [23:40] Riddell: thx for pushing the backport button^^ [23:40] <_Groo_> Riddell: hi Riddell, yeah during the week i dont usually enter irc because i cant at work and im very tired when i get home [23:41] <_Groo_> Riddell: so i usually contribute ruding the weekend [23:42] <_Groo_> Riddell: but point taken, ive sent my debian/ to apachelogger anyway, but he was confused with it because i didnt document what i had done [23:42] dtchen: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/382968 [23:42] Ubuntu bug 382968 in alsa-driver "Sound works for system notifications through the PC speaker - no sound at all with multimedia apps" [Undecided,New] [23:44] nixternal: is pulseaudio installed? [23:44] it doesn't appear to be active from your output [23:45] _Groo_: good to have you here though, maybe you can get into some more kubuntu ninjas work with beta 2 coming out [23:46] <<< nixternal@ShakaDoobie :: ~ :: 17:45.52 Tue Jun 02 2009 [23:46] >>> [1044] dpkg -l \*pulse\* | grep \^ii [23:46] ii libpulse0 1:0.9.15-2ubuntu1 PulseAudio client librarie [23:46] <_Groo_> Riddell: sure.. one thing im trying to see is if kdebindings can be compiled this time, since it brakes some pyqt stuff (like some amarok extensions and some superkarmaba themes) [23:47] nixternal: groups $USER |grep audio >/dev/null;echo $? [23:47] 1 [23:47] <_Groo_> Riddell: from what ive seen so far, well have to backport current pqt from latest snapshots and some more stuff [23:47] <_Groo_> pyqt [23:47] nixternal: sudo adduser $USER audio, then log out and back in [23:48] _Groo_: you don't go for the easy ones do you :) [23:48] <_Groo_> Riddell: like for example? :D [23:48] logging out..brb [23:49] anything but kdebindings :) [23:49] <_Groo_> Riddell: are you working on kdebindings? or is a no no for beta2 also? [23:50] dtchen: next? [23:52] nixternal: apport-collect -p alsa-base 382968 [23:52] it works, jsut giving you a tough time because I totally didn't even catch the fact I wasn't even in the damn audio group anymore [23:52] that's still a bug [23:53] ok, I iwll continue on then [23:53] policykit, via consolekit, manages access to @audio [23:53] you shouldn't need to be in @audio to access /dev/snd/* [23:53] argh, stupid x-www-browser crap [23:53] <_Groo_> oh btw guys.. anyone whos using kde 4.3 beta 1. why policykit doesnt show up in systemsettings? [23:53] that said, i don't know whether there's a policykit/consolekit/hal/devicekit/libudev migration [23:54] IOW, i expect stuff to be broken WRT policykit/consolekit/hal/devicekit/libudev until a couple alphas from now [23:56] dtchen: done [23:57] <_Groo_> Riddell: where do i see the ninja tasks at hand? [23:59] _Groo_: we'll make a wiki page when the tars become available (probably tomorrow)