[00:02] <skafti> pff finally managed to connect to the internet
[00:02] <cjae> !krec
[00:03] <cjae> !info krec
[00:04] <skafti> chaos2fu still there
[00:05] <pulaski> thanks again, cya
[00:05] <RProgrammer> When people say "go to System -> Preferences", where do I go, since I have KDE?
[00:06] <_nix_> RProgrammer: I think KMenu > Computer > System Settings
[00:08] <skafti> does someone have a sound problem with browsers ?
[00:08] <RProgrammer> Wow, I tried that, but there's so few preferences I thought I was missing something..
[00:08] <RProgrammer> Thanks
[00:08] <_nix_> RProgrammer: there is the Advanced tab.
[00:09] <RProgrammer> Yeah, the thing I'm looking for still isn't there
[00:10] <kaddi> what are you looking for?
[00:10] <RProgrammer> Enable/DIsable Tap
[00:10] <RProgrammer> *Disable
[00:10] <skafti> is there no genius who knows how to solve soundproblems with browsers exp. listening to youtube
[00:10] <RProgrammer> skafti: Maybe it's a flash problem
[00:10] <skafti> both konqueror and mozzilla
[00:11] <kaddi> skafti have a look at your kmix settings, I've seen some cases where the sound simply was muted
[00:11] <RProgrammer> skafti: Try the flash configuration tool, see if it can get access to the speakers
[00:12] <skafti> looked at the kmix yes
[00:12] <skafti> were is this flash config tool
[00:12] <RProgrammer> Search google, it's actually on adobe's website
[00:13] <RProgrammer> Rather than on your local machine
[00:13] <_nix_> skafti: right click on the flash applet and click settings.
[00:13] <kaddi> PProgrammer: you are talking about disabling part of the touchpad? is it a synaptics?
[00:13] <RProgrammer> Pkaddi: It's a MacBook
[00:14] <RProgrammer> I looked in xorg.conf, but there's no "InputDevice" section
[00:14] <_nix_> RProgrammer: synaptics is the name of the touchpad thingy. TMI xD
[00:14] <kaddi> RProgrammer have a look at this thread: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3101213
[00:16] <kaddi> RProgrammer also there is a configtool called gsynaptics if your trackpad is from synaptics
[00:17] <RProgrammer> I thought Synaptics was a company
[00:18] <RProgrammer> But people use it as a synonym for 'touchpad'; do things like gSynaptics work for non-Synaptics(R) touchpads?
[00:21] <RProgrammer> Ok, I tried a fix in the forum; is there a way to reload a portion of X, or do I need to reboot to see if it worked?
[00:22] <_nix_> RProgrammer: try pressing Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to restart X alone
[00:22] <kaddi> RProgrammer you can kill the X-server without restarting, if you lock out and select it from the drop down menu
[00:22] <kaddi> Ctrl-Alt-Backspace is deactivated by default in Jaunty if I recall correctly
[00:22] <RProgrammer> Yeah, that's not working
[00:23] <RProgrammer> Ok, I've got a couple of things to do anyway, so I'll just reboot
[00:23] <RProgrammer> Thanks
[00:23] <_nix_> kaddi: oh darn! how do you reactivate it?
[00:24] <kaddi> !dontzap|_nix_
[00:24] <kaddi> although I didn't recall dontzapt nor the other key combination in time for RProgrammer :p
[00:25] <_nix_> I like the latter method
[00:27] <kaddi> What I don't like about the latte method is, that all I can find is, that it has a "similar effect" I have no clue what that key combination really does
[00:28] <_nix_> it zaps everything that might be listening to the keyboard events
[00:29] <kaddi> so what is the difference? does it kill more processes than ctrl-alt-backspace?
[00:30] <_nix_> it was essentially designed to kill things like keyloggers
[00:30] <kaddi> oh, i see :)
[00:30] <_nix_> So my best guess is anything hooked to /dev/console
[00:30] <ibou> hi
[00:30] <_nix_> fuser? anybody?
[00:30] <kaddi> hi :)
[00:30] <_nix_> ibou: hi
[00:31] <ibou> i dont have the sound when  i watch divx on kmplayer, although i have some on dragon player. Im on jaunty. I also dont have the sound on flash plugin. Can someone help me ?
[00:34] <harjot> genii: hello im back
[00:35] <harjot> who is actually watching this irc chat now????
[00:35] <harjot> ppl
[00:36] <little> harjot: What's up?
[00:36] <harjot> a problem as usual
[00:36] <harjot> were u on yeatrday???
[00:36] <genii> harjot: ops are around, just not always visible.
[00:36] <little> harjot: Anything I can help with?
[00:36] <harjot> if u can
[00:37] <little> harjot: No I wasn't, but go for it. Maybe I can help. (:
[00:37] <harjot> listen genii u told me to ger irssi and pastebinit
[00:37] <harjot> but my dpkg doesnt work at ALL it always fails to connect to the server
[00:37] <harjot> but one tthing
[00:38] <harjot> i noticed it is also trying to download from the intrepid server?????
[00:38] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[00:38] <harjot> ActionParsnip: That was random
[00:38] <harjot> ok where was i???
[00:39] <genii> harjot: It looks for intrepid repositories but you are running a different ubuntu version?
[00:39] <ActionParsnip> harjot: if you come in here enough, you'll see its really not
[00:39] <harjot> yes [thats really weird its looking for kubuntu 8.10 packages[intrpid]]
[00:40] <ActionParsnip> harjot:  genii knows what i mean ;)
[00:40] <harjot> ActionParsnip: So I seee ur basically saying the party hasnt started yet, especillly 4 me
[00:40] <harjot> ok where was i???
[00:40] <ActionParsnip> harjot: if you arent using intrepid you will need to update your sources to match your release
[00:41] <harjot> problem:::::: im not using intrepid
[00:41] <ActionParsnip> harjot: no, just saying thats how I always enter every time i enter, and i'm fairly regualr
[00:41] <ActionParsnip> harjot: then you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace all instances of intrepid with the release you are using
[00:42] <little> harjot: Can you paste the output of cat /etc/apt/sources.list into http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[00:42] <genii> harjot: What does:  lsb_release -a                 tell is the version?
[00:42] <harjot> look guys im running on windows [the worst os in the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1] on my dual boot machine. i can access my etx3 drive from windoze so i can paste dpkg logs etc... but not much else
[00:42] <harjot> cause my keyboard aint working which is y i must upgrade those packages
[00:43] <ActionParsnip> harjot: then i would get wan access setup first then worry about update
[00:43] <harjot> for kubuntu that is
[00:43] <harjot> i ve got all that
[00:43] <ActionParsnip> harjot: then you must fix the keyboard first
[00:43] <harjot> i cant withour updating
[00:43] <harjot> i can use tty but when in kdm i cant
[00:43] <little> Will the keyboard work with the Live CD?
[00:43] <harjot> yes
[00:43] <genii> harjot: With all that kind of messing around, you might be better off to just actually reinstall. And I do not usually recommend to reinstall
[00:44] <harjot> problem v2. my wireless will not work with a live cd it requires special driverss
[00:44] <harjot> the problem with a reinstall is:
[00:45] <harjot> 1) I don't want to and i cant move my 20GB documents proplerly
[00:45] <ActionParsnip> harjot: i'd check keyoard settings in systemsettings
[00:45] <adam> How can I configure wine?  What CLI is it?
[00:45] <ActionParsnip> harjot: you should ave a backup which you can then restore if you data is important
[00:45] <ActionParsnip> adam: winecfg
[00:45] <harjot> TOO MUCH SPACE
[00:45] <ActionParsnip> harjot: what if your drive fails?
[00:45] <little> adam: Type winecfg in a terminal window.
[00:46] <ActionParsnip> harjot: where is your data then?
[00:46] <harjot> IT LEEFT ME WITH 64 MB on my 120 gb
[00:46] <adam> Got it :P thanks!
[00:46] <harjot> on my hard drive
[00:46] <harjot> my drive wont fail
[00:46] <ActionParsnip> harjot: not if it fails
[00:46] <ActionParsnip> harjot: it will eventually, trust me
[00:46] <harjot> BECAUSE THEN THIS WONDOWS WILL
[00:46] <little> harjot: That's what we all think. (:
[00:47] <adam> I can't join #wine...I need help with it thouhg.
[00:47] <ActionParsnip> harjot: if you come here moaning you lost your data by accident or yor drive fails. I will show no pity
[00:47] <harjot> errr... its more likely to fail in a pc[windoze] or a computer than in a laptop
[00:47] <harjot> thats fine [im professiomnal at recovery]
[00:47] <little> adam: What kind of help do you need with wine?
[00:47] <ActionParsnip> harjot: hard drives fail like any other device, laptop, desktop or server, all drives fail
[00:47] <harjot> btw i will backup soon after i fix my problemo
[00:47] <ActionParsnip> harjot: not if the motor fails and the drive doesnt spin up
[00:48] <harjot> ok backup discussion over [how do u recover a failed hard drive
[00:48] <harjot> ]
[00:48] <little> harjot: Are you able to view the contents of the /etc/apt/sources.list file?
[00:48] <harjot> yes
[00:48] <ActionParsnip> harjot: i would check in system settings and make sure the correct language is selected
[00:48] <harjot> it is
[00:49] <adam> little: Well, it just won't runt he game...I mean, it starts up...But, when I get close to playing, it stops.
[00:49] <harjot> it is my update problem becuase i updated my xorg but now everything else wibt update
[00:49] <ActionParsnip> harjot: to recover failed hdd you pay a professional company many hundreds of dolars, or you can pay 40 for a usb hdd and get a good backup
[00:49] <little> harjot: You can paste them into http://paste.ubuntu.com/ if you can copy them.
[00:49] <harjot> ok
[00:49] <little> adam: Which game are you trying to run?
[00:49] <harjot> so etc/apt/sources..lst????
[00:49] <ActionParsnip> harjot: what is wrong with your keyboard anyhoo?
[00:49] <adam> little: Age of Empires II
[00:50] <harjot> it wont type in kdm
[00:50] <little> harjot: sources.list <--- it's one of those exceptions that has four letters after the dot
[00:50] <harjot> ok
[00:50] <ActionParsnip> little: file extensions in linux dont mean much
[00:50] <ActionParsnip> harjot: kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:51] <harjot> i know but windows throw itself over the mountain
[00:51] <ActionParsnip> harjot: and edit out interpid and change it for the name of your release
[00:51] <harjot> err.i cant access my kubuntu
[00:51] <little> adam: Here's the wine page on that game: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=99
[00:51] <harjot> well i can but only from tty
[00:51] <ActionParsnip> harjot: does it boot?
[00:51] <harjot> yes
[00:51] <harjot> into tty
[00:51] <little> ActionParsnip: But they do to Windows users, which is why I mentioned it. (:
[00:51] <ActionParsnip> harjot: thats fine, use   sudo nano     instead of    kdesudo kate
[00:52] <ActionParsnip> harjot: you can edit it at cli
[00:52] <harjot> bUT HJOW DO I COPY???
[00:52] <harjot> cant use program that is not installed
[00:52] <little> harjot: How are you accessing Kubuntu from Windows?
[00:52] <ActionParsnip> harjot: copy what?
[00:52] <harjot> i can get to my ext3 drive yes
[00:53] <little> harjot: Using Windows?
[00:53] <ActionParsnip> harjot: if you edit your sources file you can then upgrade and boot to uuntu
[00:53] <harjot> its called a 12 year old brain that hasnt malfunctioned
[00:53] <harjot> yes using windoze
[00:53] <little> harjot: If you can browse to the /etc/apt/sources.list file, are you able to open it in a text editor and look at it?
[00:54] <harjot> look if u want to access ur ext3 drive download diskinternals linux drive reader
[00:54] <harjot> yes i can
[00:54] <little> harjot: Can you highlight the contents and copy them to the clipboard?
[00:54] <harjot> yes [which clipboaard?]
[00:54] <ActionParsnip> harjot: you dont access ext3 drives, you access ext3 partitions ;)
[00:54] <little> harjot: The Windows clipboard.
[00:54] <skafti> does any one know how to fix nosound in konq and mozz
[00:55] <harjot> yes i can copy
[00:55] <ActionParsnip> skafti: mozz?
[00:55] <ActionParsnip> !mozz
[00:55] <ActionParsnip> !info mozz
[00:55] <skafti> mozilla
[00:55] <ActionParsnip> skafti: i see, please use full names. abbreviations only confuse
[00:55] <skafti> spend all day looking in google for this solution
[00:55] <ActionParsnip> skafti: so do you mean sound in flash?
[00:56] <skafti> yes
[00:56] <harjot> dudes how do i paste???
[00:56] <little> harjot: Once you have it copied to the clipboard, open http://paste.ubuntu.com/ and paste the contents into the box. When you're finished, press the paste button at the bottom and it will give you a link you can give us.
[00:56] <ActionParsnip> skafti: you never said that. Let me websearch
[00:56] <ActionParsnip> skafti: 32bit or 64bit flash
[00:56] <little> harjot: You can right-click in the box and select paste from the menu.
[00:57] <ActionParsnip> skafti: can you please provide the output of   uname -a
[00:57] <ActionParsnip> !paste | harjot
[00:58] <harjot> ok
[00:58] <harjot> but one thing
[00:58] <harjot> it is a bit hard t o  read as its from notepad
[00:58] <little> harjot: That's okay.
[00:59] <skafti> shokwave flash 10.0 r22 32bit
[00:59] <harjot> good old patebin reconfigured the look of the file to make it look normal
[01:00] <little> hehe
[01:00] <ActionParsnip> skafti: ok let me search
[01:00] <harjot> guys heres the pastbin
[01:00] <harjot> http://paste.ubuntu.com/186127/
[01:01] <harjot> ppls have you read the pastebin>?
[01:02] <little> harjot: The last line of that file is the problem. It wants to use the intrepid repositories.
[01:02] <little> harjot: I wouldn't edit the file with Windows, though.
[01:02] <harjot> so if i rid that all will be well????
[01:02] <harjot> i know
[01:03] <harjot> how would i edit it with tty????
[01:03] <ActionParsnip> harjot: ok so you have hardy installed?
[01:03] <harjot> yes
[01:03] <little> harjot: Well, you've got to be able to access the file and edit it. You can do that using the Live CD if your keyboard will work.
[01:03] <harjot> oooooh... good idea
[01:03] <harjot> thanks if this works
[01:03] <harjot> then i will get pastebinit
[01:03] <harjot> and irssi
[01:04] <harjot> and backup MY COMPUTER
[01:04] <little> I'm not sure if the Live CD mounts all partitions on bootup, though. Does anyone know, or will harjot need to do something to access the partition?
[01:04] <harjot> No, it does
[01:04] <harjot> ive used live cd  to tryy and fix billions of times
[01:05] <little> harjot: Good, then you can use kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list to open the file and just remove the very last line that mentions intrepid.
[01:05] <harjot> thanks for helping
[01:05] <little> harjot: Also, a good idea would be to copy sources.list somewhere else as a backup just in case before you edit it. (:
[01:05] <harjot> cant i just use sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list????
[01:05] <harjot> oh its now on my windows partition
[01:05] <ActionParsnip> harjot: no, never sudo kate
[01:05] <little> harjot: sudo is for non-graphical programs. kdesudo is for graphical programs.
[01:05] <ActionParsnip> harjot: kdesudo kate
[01:06] <ActionParsnip> harjot: sudo is for cli commands only
[01:06] <harjot> it doesnt matter sudo works 4 all
[01:06] <harjot> cause i never use kdesudo to lauch kate
[01:06] <ActionParsnip> harjot: yes it works but it will damage group iwnerships
[01:06] <genii> !kdesudo
[01:06] <little> harjot: There's a page that tells why it isn't a good idea. It can mess up an important system file and make the computer unbootable. (:
[01:06]  * little nods at genii
[01:06] <ActionParsnip> and you wont have access to your own files eventually and you will need to chown / chmod
[01:06] <harjot> ahh.. thanks so much!!!!
[01:06] <genii> harjot: You should read that last link of the bots to know why not to use sudo for graphical apps
[01:07] <ActionParsnip> harjot: you can just avoid by using sudo /kdesudo correctly
[01:08] <harjot> ok tyym bye
[01:08] <ActionParsnip> i hate the whole sudo <gui app> thing. really annoying :(
[01:08] <little> harjot: After you edit the sources.list file, run sudo apt-get update
[01:09] <little> Ack!
[01:17] <ign0ramus> hey all
[01:17] <ign0ramus> i've been using mencoder a lot for different tasks, and each command is very long, so I'm wondering if anyone can recommend a good gui/frontend for it for simple conversion tasks?
[01:20] <little> ignOramus: I use pdmenu for a few long commands: http://kitenet.net/~joey/code/pdmenu/
[01:21] <little> ignOramus: You'll have to set it up, but once it's set up, it's just point and click to do any command you like, and it's all saved into one text file.
[01:22] <ign0ramus> little, checking it now.  thanks.
[01:24] <little> ignOramus: Let me know if you have any trouble with it. I have it set up nicely on my system and can help with the syntax.
[01:25] <little> ignOramus: I forgot to mention that it's lightning fast. (:
[01:25] <ign0ramus> little, will do.  it's "zero" in my nick... that's why I'm not getting notified when you type my nick :)
[01:25] <nightdrever> where and how do i install songbird?
[01:26] <little> ign0ramus: Sorry about that!
[01:26] <ign0ramus> nightdrever, www.songbirdnest.com
[01:26] <ign0ramus> little, np.  don't you use the autocomplete feature?
[01:27] <little> ign0ramus: OMG, I didn't know it could do that!
[01:27] <nightdrever> ok i can download it but how do i install it
[01:27] <nightdrever> so its in my menu etc?
[01:28] <ign0ramus> nightdrever, you could start with the documentation, but i believe "cd"ing into the directory, "chmod"ing "songbird-bin" to executable, and then issuing "./songbird-bin" should work
[01:29] <ign0ramus> nightdrever, i haven't tried the latest versions, so it may be different now...
[01:42] <Ahmuck> hi.  where is the option to change from pulseaudio to alsa in kubuntu 9.04 ?
[01:53] <harjot> ok guys im back
[01:53] <ign0ramus> Mamarok, you there?
[01:53] <harjot> genii: im back
[01:53] <harjot> little: im back
[01:54] <harjot> and the other guy who was helping me : im back
[01:54] <harjot> ActionParsnip: Im back
[01:54] <harjot> could u guys look at my dpkg logs plz
[01:54] <ign0ramus> harjot, ActionParsnip isn't here
[01:54] <harjot> right ty
[01:55] <harjot> are the other guys all asleep
[01:55] <harjot> genii: are u there??????
[01:55] <harjot> little: can u respond plz
[01:55] <harjot> ok im stuck
[01:56] <harjot> its always the same people online and the SAME PEOPLE ASLEEP [LOL!!! :P
[01:56] <harjot> ]
[01:57] <little> harjot: Sorry, I was in another window.
[01:57] <harjot> ok thats fine
[01:57] <harjot> my problem has decreases
[01:57] <harjot> ed
[01:57] <harjot> 39 pacxkages  upgradable but being held back
[01:58] <little> harjot: You left before I could tell you that after you remove the last line in the file, you need to run sudo apt-get update
[01:58] <harjot> soyes i did
[01:58] <harjot> i did thatr
[01:58] <harjot> and then tryed upgrading my opackages
[01:58] <harjot> nonus workus est
[01:58] <harjot> it didnt work
[01:58] <little> harjot: What exact message are you getting? Can you paste the output into pastebin?
[01:58] <harjot> it just said 39 packes not upgraded
[01:58] <harjot> i cant
[01:59] <harjot> how????
[01:59] <harjot> W:failed to download index files
[01:59] <little> harjot: Are you typing sudo apt-get update to get the packages?
[01:59] <harjot> yes
[01:59] <harjot> and i also tryed sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:59] <harjot> then i tried aptitiuede
[02:00] <harjot> i edited the fil with nano [decent prgram!]
[02:00] <little> harjot: Can you paste the output of sudo apt-get update into a text file and then copy the information from that into pastebin once you're in Windows?
[02:00] <harjot> where do i get the info from????
[02:00] <little> harjot: Glad you like it. That one's probably the easiest of the command line editors. (:
[02:01] <harjot> which file do i paste from???
[02:01] <little> harjot: When you run the command, it will print some output in the terminal window. You can highlight all of that with the mouse and paste it into a text file.
[02:01] <little> harjot: I'm not sure if you can do sudo apt-get update > filename.txt
[02:01] <harjot> problem.. i  cant get past kdm therefore i cant copy and paste
[02:02] <little> harjot: Maybe somebody here would know whether it will work with that command.
[02:02] <harjot> ive heard though about dpkg logs
[02:02] <little> harjot: How about a screenshot?
[02:02] <harjot> i cant from command line in tty
[02:02] <little> harjot: Okay, those should work. I'm not familiar with where those are or which ones would have the information.
[02:03] <harjot> but index failed failed to download try using sudo apt-get update or --fix-missing
[02:03] <harjot> ok
[02:03] <harjot> ask
[02:03] <harjot> genii know
[02:03] <harjot> s
[02:03] <little> harjot: Okay, let me see if I can find out where it logs to.
[02:04] <harjot> is it in /etc??? theres a dpkg folder there but no sign of logfiels
[02:05] <harjot> little: ive found them
[02:06] <harjot> little: FOUND THEM!!!!
[02:06] <little> harjot: Excellent! Can you paste the contents into pastebin?
[02:06]  * little cheers for harjot
[02:06] <harjot> ok
[02:06] <harjot> just finding the right log jjst a sec...
[02:07] <little> harjot: When you get the error, does it mention specific packages?
[02:08] <harjot> no all of them being held
[02:08] <little> harjot: None of your packages updated?
[02:08] <harjot> nope
[02:08] <harjot> wont let me install either
[02:09] <harjot> says dependies arent met
[02:09] <little> harjot: What worries me is that since you had the intrepid line in your sources.list file, you may have actually gotten some intrepid packages, and those might be the problem now.
[02:09] <harjot> i hope not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:10] <little> harjot: The output should list off all the files that are being held back. Each one will require a command to fix it. Are you sure it doesn't list them?
[02:10] <little> harjot: You should see this line in the output of sudo apt-get update:               The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:11] <little> harjot: Then under that line it should list off which packages are the problems. Once you have that list, we might be able to sort this out pretty easily. (:
[02:11] <little> The magic incantation for each package is: sudo apt-get -f install PACKAGENAME
[02:12] <harjot> ????'
[02:12] <little> harjot: And you would replace PACKAGENAME with the name of each package.
[02:12] <harjot> yes ok
[02:12] <harjot> problem
[02:12] <harjot> i tried installing the dependencies
[02:12] <lucio_> Hi
[02:12] <harjot> 1 was too far uptodate
[02:13] <lucio_> im jus tying the koncersation
[02:13] <harjot> one was not matching corectly with the 1 it needed [wrong version???]
[02:13] <little> harjot: That sounds to me like you have intrepid packages on your system, since those would be further along than the hardy ones.
[02:13] <harjot> ouch....
[02:13] <little> harjot: The -f in that command I gave you will try to fix it.
[02:13] <harjot> I DONT WANT INTREPID PACKAGES ON MY SYSTEM WAAAAAA........\\
[02:14] <little> harjot: We can take care of it. It just might be a bit tricky of a surgery. (:
[02:15] <harjot> -f means force????
[02:15] <little> harjot: Can you run sudo apt-get update again and see if there is a line that says, "The following packages have unmet dependencies:" and then see if it lists them off?
[02:15] <lucio_> sorry people, im looking for a client vpm for nortel contivit, i dont find it on google....
[02:15] <harjot> it does
[02:16] <harjot> the annoying thing is now i have to boot into kubuntu and then i have to boot back here if it dont work
[02:16] <little> harjot: Yeah, sorry about that. But at least you CAN do that. (:
[02:16] <little> harjot: -f means fix.
[02:16] <harjot> ahh.
[02:17] <harjot> btw.... do u want the logfilees before i go???
[02:17] <little> harjot: You can use this instead if you like: sudo apt-get --fix-missing install PACKAGENAME
[02:18] <little> harjot: Sure. Maybe the information is in there.
[02:18] <harjot> ok after this i wont becoming until tomrrow i have to goto bed
[02:19] <little> harjot: I don't want to paste my email into here, but you can get it from the Contact button at the top right of http://littlegirl.hostrator.com in case you need more help tomorrow.
[02:19] <little> harjot: We can sort this out one way or another.
[02:19] <harjot> littlegirl???????are u a girl???????????
[02:19] <little> harjot: Yep, through and through. (:
[02:20] <harjot> really i didnt expect that!!!!
[02:20] <little> harjot: We really do exist. (:
[02:20] <harjot> btw
[02:20] <harjot> THAT MADE MY LAUGH
[02:20] <little> harjot: I think there are more and more of us who are geeks nowadays. (:
[02:20] <harjot> ok i cant get to ur email cause im using windoz
[02:21] <harjot> unlike my DUMB sister
[02:21] <harjot> How old are u ????
[02:21] <little> harjot: It's at the bottom of this page: http://littlegirl.hostrator.com/SiteMap.html
[02:21] <little> harjot: 47
[02:21] <little> harjot: So I guess I'm technically a woman rather than a girl, but I've had the handle for years. (:
[02:21] <harjot> lol im only 12
[02:22] <little> harjot: You're doing really well with all the technical stuff for a twelve year old. (:
[02:22] <harjot> ty im learning to code in C
[02:23] <harjot> ive got so much schoolwork cause im in scholorship set
[02:24] <harjot> little: ive just goto post u my log noi
[02:27] <harjot> little: this isnt the proper log but its all i recognize as dpkg-s status
[02:27] <harjot> little: bye
[02:27] <little> harjot: Where is it?
[02:29] <kevDabu09> has anyone had luck disabling "tap" on kubunt 9.04?
[02:29] <kevDabu09> its driving me crazy.
[02:46] <omar> hola
[02:47] <omar> hello
[02:48] <omar> hola
[02:57] <Hx> .
[02:57] <Hx> Hello anybody?
[02:57] <Hx> ..
[03:01] <Hrr1963> hello
[03:01] <Hrr1963> anybody?
[03:01] <p_quarles> !ask Hrr1963
[03:01] <p_quarles> oops, sorry
[03:01] <p_quarles> !ask | Hrr1963
[03:03] <Hrr1963> rare people lol.. Ok here go my question, my lenovo N500 was able to connect via ethernet or wireless in kubuntu 9.04 (In fresh install , yesterday). Now today im not able to connect in any way. Router N ok, signal ok and ethernet ports ok, since i can connect with other PCs. Any suggestions?
[03:03] <dennister> having a cups problem: printer did work for months, then published it in error, now can't get it to work again
[03:05] <Hrr1963> My lenovo N500 was able to connect via ethernet or wireless in kubuntu 9.04 (In fresh install , yesterday). Now today im not able to connect in any way. Router N ok, signal ok and ethernet ports ok, since i can connect with other PCs. Any suggestions?
[03:06] <dennister> ipp error message is always: Unable to open device "hal:///org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_4f9_161_G01234567890_if0_printer_noserial": Permission denied
[03:07] <dennister> can someone help me with this pls...driving me totally bokers
[03:07] <Hrr1963> Ok since no answer... and this is kde 4 problem. Simple, any instructions to get rip of kde 4.2.3 and use kde 3?
[03:09] <Hrr1963> #ubuntu
[03:29] <user010> hi is anyone available? i need a little help
[03:30] <p_quarles> user010: just ask
[03:30] <p_quarles> no one can answer until you do
[03:30] <user010> hehe i tried to ask a question
[03:31] <user010> um how do i compile
[03:31] <user010> i'm trying to run a .i386
[03:31] <user010> this is my first time with ubuntu
[03:31] <p_quarles> compile what?
[03:31] <user010> a .i386 file
[03:31] <p_quarles> that's not a file type I'm aware of
[03:32] <Hrr1963> My lenovo N500 was able to connect via ethernet or wireless in kubuntu 9.04 (In fresh install , yesterday). Now today im not able to connect in any way. Router N ok, signal ok and ethernet ports ok, since i can connect with other PCs. Any suggestions? Help?
[03:32] <user010> you know of urban terror?
[03:32] <p_quarles> user010: yes; and that's a binary, you don't need to compile it
[03:32] <p_quarles> s/don't need to/cannot
[03:33] <user010> it says it needs something to install it with
[03:34] <p_quarles> user010: well, A) this isn't really a Kubuntu issue; B) that game comes with two binaries, one for people who have the Quake III engine already installed, and one with its own engine
[03:34] <user010> hmm
[03:34] <p_quarles> user010: I use the standalone one, ioUrbanTerror.i386, which works fine and is already compiled
[03:36] <user010> well when i try to run that file is tells me no application suitable for installation of this file is available
[03:36] <user010> something like that
[03:37] <p_quarles> user010: 1) make sure it
[03:37] <p_quarles> 's executable, and 2) try running it from the command line
[03:38] <user010> i don't know how to do any of this
[03:38] <user010> this is my first time away from windows
[03:39] <p_quarles> user010: right click on the file in Dolphin, select "properties," go to the "permissions" tab and make sure "executable" is ticked
[03:39] <user010> pj pd o set allow?
[03:40] <user010> ah ok i found that hehe
[03:40] <p_quarles> one you do that, you should be able to simply click on the file and it will run
[03:40] <user010> thank you
[03:40] <p_quarles> I would ensure that compositing is turned off before you run it, though
[03:40] <p_quarles> kwin's compositing doesn't always mesh with 3D accelerated games
[03:41] <user010> i don't know how to do that either
[03:41] <p_quarles> alt-shift-F12 to toggle it
[03:41] <user010> you know what i think it gave me ubuntu even tho the iso said kubuntu
[03:41] <user010> it's showing some gnome stuff
[03:42] <p_quarles> that seems unlikely, but in that case you would turn off "desktop effects" in the system menu
[03:42] <p_quarles> gnome and kde can exist side by side; the real question for compositing is which window manager is running
[03:42] <user010> hmm how do i check version?
[03:42] <trans> hi
[03:43] <p_quarles> user010: you're using pidgin to access this channel, looks like?
[03:43] <user010> yes
[03:43] <user010> so i have ubuntu right?
[03:43] <Hrr1963> cant believe i have to format the damn kubuntu. I mean, they release a new version and it got WORST, and the same cicle... another and another and another.
[03:44] <p_quarles> user010: then I'd guess you have Gnome; again, the programs coexist pretty completely
[03:44] <user010> below about gnome it says about ubuntu
[03:45] <user010> weird
[03:45] <tomsdale_> hm
[03:45] <p_quarles> yeah, anyway you should be able to disable compositing by running metacity --replace; but I'm not really sure, and that's a better question for #ubuntu
[03:45] <user010> thanks quarles
[03:46] <administrador> buenas noches
[03:46] <Hrr1963> buenas noches ...
[03:46] <administrador> que tal
[03:46] <user010> weird tho, i downloaded the kubuntu iso from the berkley server, then i ran wubi
[03:46] <p_quarles> !es | administrador
[03:46] <tomsdale_> I can't play .ogg files on wikipedia in firefox. .ogg is a free standart, why doesn't  it play?
[03:46] <Hrr1963> enojado. y usted?
[03:46] <user010> and now i have ubuntu? lol
[03:46] <administrador> no no
[03:46] <administrador> tenia una pregunta
[03:46] <administrador> quiza puedas ayudarme
[03:47] <Hrr1963> aja.
[03:47] <p_quarles> administrador: ask in #kubuntu-es, or ask in English
[03:47] <administrador> im sorry
[03:48] <administrador> there telling me that the channel is in english
[03:48] <administrador> i am going to a spanish channel
[03:48] <tomsdale_> do I need a firefox plugin to play .ogg files.
[03:48] <administrador> now
[03:49] <trans> i don't know if this is the right place to ask but i just installed kubuntu 9.04 fresh, i had 8.04 previously.  I have a program that reads the serial port but on 9.04 it no longer works.  it worked fine on 8.04, it's very simple using read() and select() on an open descriptor.  I am able to send data correctly using the same program with the same descriptor.  Using stty, the terminal settings appear to all be correct and i can acutally read p
[03:49] <trans>  fine using cutecom (which i believe uses Qt to read the serial port).
[03:53] <trans> i can't get why it would work for a Qt program and not good ol' read()
[03:53] <tomsdale_> Can anyone play .ogg files e.g. in wikipedia directly in their browser.
[03:54] <p_quarles> tomsdale_: I don't remember specifically, but I would imagine the VLC plugin would do that
[03:55] <tomsdale_> p_quarles: ah - good call. Let me check the repo. There is no addon at least on mozilla
[03:56] <p_quarles> tomsdale_: mozilla-plugin-vlc; it's in multiverse
[03:56] <p_quarles> the totem plugin should work as well
[03:57] <tomsdale_> p_quarles: is totem not for gnome only?
[03:58] <p_quarles> it has GTK+ and Gnome depends, if that's what you mean; I ignore purism, myself, but do what you like
[04:00] <tomsdale_> yes - mozilla-plugin-vlc works, thanks a lot. Although I have no control bars but that's fine so far.
[04:01] <tomsdale_> in kubuntu the pendant to totem would be dragon player I guess - but dragon player doesn't have browser support.
[04:03] <david_> yoo
[04:07] <liz> how do you create a bootable iso image from a made directory??
[04:08] <colton_> My mouse roller is so freaking fast! How do I slow it down?
[04:08] <colton_> [And no wiseguy cracks like "don't push as hard." I barely tap it and i'm halfway down a two thousand line document]!
[04:12] <tomsdale_> colton_: in kubuntu go to system settings. Keyboard and Mouse
[04:12] <tomsdale_> mouse advanced - Mouse wheel scrolls x lines.
[04:12] <tomsdale_> You probably have something very high in there. I have 4.
[04:19] <colton_> I have 1 in there.
[04:20] <colton_> . . . it's still like crazy fast. It's strange though, because it wasn't like this yesterday, now all of a sudden it's changed. I can't think of anything I did which would have changed it either.
[04:21] <tomsdale_> did you change enything in the directory /etc/hal/fdi/policy maybe
[04:21] <colton_> I don't see how I could have . . .
[04:21] <colton_> no.
[04:22] <tomsdale_> that's where you would pass customisations to the mouse driver. but in your case if it worked yesterday I don't really know. Is it the same in all applications?
[04:23] <colton_> Yeah. It's the same in all.
[04:24] <tomsdale_> hm, I really don't know then. Can you try it with a seperate mouse maybe to see whether it's your hw that plays up?
[04:27] <colton_> No. But you know what's funny, If I modify the pointer acceleration, the acceleration is modified. But if I modify the scroll speed, (from 12 - 1) (and press apply ) nothing changes.
[04:30] <aaron_> anyone know the answer to a non-responsive "Leave"/shutdown button in jaunty/KDE 4.2.2?
[04:47] <Hrr1963> .
[05:26] <BigPatice> hey anybody know about changing a single sudo command to run without a password
[05:52] <ricardo__> HELLO
[05:52] <BigPatice> hello
[05:52] <ricardo__> i need some help with amarok 2.1 beta 2, and ipod nano 4gb
[05:53] <BigPatice> what ya wanna do?
[05:53] <ricardo__> it doesnt recognize it
[05:53] <ricardo__> hwever its shown on media applet
[05:53] <BigPatice> have you tried gtkpod? i have had great luck with that and ipods
[05:53] <ricardo__> not happening with 2.0
[05:54] <jon__> does gtkpod support ipod touch?
[05:54] <ricardo__> yeah.. i know i've tried gtkpod, songbird, rythmbox, but none of them works as good as amaroK
[05:54] <p_quarles> yeah, amarok ipod support is still a work-in-progress
[05:54] <ricardo__> but this is a kubuntu related bug
[05:54] <BigPatice> i think so. i use gtkpod to put and take music from the ipod, and i use amarok do play whats on my pc
[05:54] <ricardo__> it supports ipod on opensuse
[05:55] <jon__> ah
[05:55] <BigPatice> for some reason amarok is less quirky on fedora too
[05:55] <ricardo__> so that is why im asking anywone with the same issue?
[05:55] <ricardo__> media applet seems useless
[05:55] <BigPatice> i guess i have the same problem. i just gave up quicker
[05:56] <ricardo__> 2.0 sucks
[05:56] <ricardo__> laks of too many features
[05:57] <BigPatice> well i like amarok for just playing music on my system. it seems better than rythmbox, but i think it is catching up with kde 4
[05:58] <ricardo__> so there is no solution isnt it?
[05:59] <BigPatice> i am not sure, still kinda noob
[06:01] <ricardo__> anyone else?
[06:01] <ricardo__> :-/
[06:05] <_nix_> I think I missed BigPatice
[06:05] <_nix_> I was hungry :/
[06:11] <Hrr1963> Problem with wireless, driver is Broadcom STA
[06:12] <Hrr1963> any help?
[06:12] <Hrr1963> !broadcom
[06:15] <Hrr1963> #kubuntu-es
[06:20] <DaskreecH> Hrr1963: you would like #kubuntu-es ?
[06:26] <yuan> a
[06:26] <yuan> a
[06:26] <yuan> a
[06:26] <yuan> a
[06:26] <yuan> a
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[06:26] <yuan> a
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[06:26] <_nix_> ...
[06:46] <rosco_y> exit
[06:50] <Zengol> Good evening everone.
[06:52] <tim_CVO> hello
[07:02] <Zengol> Is there a way to add a System-wide pre-gain, and post-gain to the sound in ALSA?
[07:35] <Hrr1963> Does anyone knows, how to fix the problem of wireless in kubuntu 9.04 for a bcm4312 chipset of a lenovo n500 52U? Have tried many things.
[07:35] <Hrr1963> had*
[07:36] <Zengol> Use Proprietary driver's.
[07:36] <Zengol> Or make yoru own.
[07:36] <Zengol> I am using the same one.
[07:37] <Zengol> The prop driver's worked for me, but i am using an Acer Aspire 5570z.
[07:38] <Hrr1963> thank you
[07:39] <Zengol> If you have problem's come back.
[07:39] <Zengol> I am not the best at this.
[07:40] <Zengol> I am still new myself.
[07:45] <DasKreecH> Zengol: You used the ndiswrapper?
[07:45] <Zengol> What is that?
[07:45] <Zengol> For what?
[07:45] <Zengol> Audio, or Visual?
[07:45] <Zengol> Oh, the wi-fi.
[07:46] <Zengol> Neither.
[07:46] <Zengol> Not sure what i did really.
[07:46] <DasKreecH> !ndiswrapper | Hrr1963
[07:46] <Zengol> I read a guide on the net on how to compile FWcutter to run the BC drover's.
[07:46] <DasKreecH> grrr
[07:46] <Zengol> Driver's*
[07:46] <DasKreecH> Ah FWcutter Yeah that's a way to do it
[07:47] <Zengol> I am running 8.10 now though.
[07:47] <Zengol> My VGA chipset is not supported by 9.04
[07:47] <Zengol> Or atleast run's like crap.
[08:07] <qwerrrt> hi
[08:07] <qwerrrt> i m sexy
[08:23] <jussi01> can anyone point me to some ubuntu specific documentation about the radeon hd driver?
[08:24] <Zengol> HD, or HDD?
[08:24] <jussi01> HD
[08:24] <jussi01> ie. the video driver ;)
[08:25] <Zengol> Hmm.
[08:25] <Zengol> I am sorry i did not understand you at first.
[08:25] <jussi01> :)
[08:26] <Zengol> What are you having trouble with, or are curious about as in performance?
[08:26] <jussi01> Im just wanting to check the actual proceedure, is it as simple as uninstall the fglrx, then install xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd ?
[08:26] <DasKreecH> !radeon
[08:26] <DasKreecH> Hmm
[08:26] <jussi01> DasKreecH: nah, no info there...
[08:27]  * jussi01 has done some legwork, but cant seem to find what he needs
[08:29] <Zengol> Yeah, in the total case of output you will need to do self customizing to Nvidia OR ATI chipset X setup's.
[08:29] <Zengol> Never go with the pre-set customization.
[08:29] <Zengol> It is only for basic support of your OS, you should know that as the base by now atleast.
[08:30] <Zengol> Same as with Windoze, you would have to make your one Xorg conf To get it to run the way you want it to support your current condition's.
[08:41] <DasKreecH> jussi01: I guess https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonHD doesn't help ?
[08:41] <jussi01> DasKreecH: very helpful, wonder why google doesnt turn that up?
[08:41] <DasKreecH> Maybe it does Evil?
[08:41] <jussi01> in fact, thats exactly what I was after....
[08:42] <jussi01> DasKreecH: *g*
[08:42] <jussi01> thanks DasKreecH...
[08:42] <DasKreecH> Sure
[08:43] <jussi01> cripes... you have to build it?
[08:44]  * jussi01 is suprised. but meh
[08:50] <Guest35433> salve a tutti
[08:50] <Guest35433> qlc può aiutarmi?
[08:51] <DasKreecH> !it
[08:51] <giuseppe__> thank's
[08:56] <DasKreecH> Grazi
[09:10] <eeos> hi everybody .... where do you specify the paramenters / options to be used by kubuntu 904 when it automounts a SDHC card (in a card reader)?
[09:10] <eeos> vfat formatted SDHC card, by the way
[09:13] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[09:15] <eeos> hi everybody .... where do you specify the paramenters / options to be used by kubuntu 904 when it automounts a SDHC card (in a card reader)?  vfat formatted SDHC card, by the way
[09:15] <DasKreecH> !fstab
[09:16] <eeos> DasKreecH: fstab does not have any indications about automounted card readers
[09:16] <eeos> DasKreecH: ot commands
[09:17] <DasKreecH> Well if it can be mounted then it can be in fstab
[09:17] <DasKreecH> and then you can set the options
[09:17] <DasKreecH> Hal is probably doing the mounting
[09:17] <eeos> DasKreecH: well, what mechanism does kubuntu 904 use to automount card readers? where are the default options?
[09:18] <DasKreecH> HAL
[09:18] <eeos> DasKreecH: and where are HAL's config options? I thought so, and tried to understand, but did not come to anything
[09:18] <DasKreecH> !hal
[09:18] <eeos> DasKreecH: so I thought something else must be the case
[09:18] <DasKreecH> Hal isn't exactly simple
[09:18] <eeos> DasKreecH: yes, that was where I started from
[09:18] <eeos> DasKreecH: but did not get anywhere
[09:19] <DasKreecH> Should be in /etc/hal/fdi/policy
[09:19] <eeos> DasKreecH: I got a look there, but the file is actually a default empty config file
[09:20] <eeos> DasKreecH: so there has to be a default policy somewhere for the card reader, but where? could not find any information anywhere
[09:20] <DasKreecH> eeos: Bleh /usr/share/hal/fdi
[09:21] <eeos> DasKreecH: bleh?
[09:22] <DasKreecH> -It's not in /etc/  bleh
[09:22] <ToreadorVampire> Kubuntu Jaunty LiveCD doesn't come with a partition manager preinstalled?
[09:23] <Mamarok> ToreadorVampire: of course there is fdisk
[09:23] <ActionParsnip> ToreadorVampire: sure it does. it comes with a few, fdisk, parted
[09:23]  * ToreadorVampire just booted from LiveCD in order to resize his root partition and was shocked that [to use a GUI partition manager] I needed to connected to the internet and download one
[09:23] <DasKreecH> ToreadorVampire: Yep
[09:24] <DasKreecH> It's not a rescue CD
[09:24] <Mamarok> ToreadorVampire: partitioning is done in recovery mode, when no disks are mounted
[09:24] <ToreadorVampire> Oh - yeah, could have used a CLI one I guess ... never 'extended a partition' using fdisk before though, hence wanting to use a GUI one
[09:24] <DasKreecH> UNless of course you turn on recovery when you are walked through the process
[09:24] <Mamarok> ToreadorVampire: works basically the same way
[09:24] <DasKreecH> You can extend a parition with fdisk?
[09:25] <DasKreecH>  I wouldn't want to try that
[09:25] <eeos> DasKreecH: :) .... thanks
[09:25] <DasKreecH> eeos: Sure mate
[09:25] <Mamarok> DasKreecH: with parted?
[09:25] <DasKreecH> Oh yeah Parted
[09:25] <DasKreecH> fdisk errrrm not so sure of
[09:25] <ToreadorVampire> Hehe - well - KDE Partition Manager made it easy - just dragged the partition to fill up the free space (that I had created by removing the redundant swap partition on that disk)
[09:26] <DasKreecH> What happened to that?
[09:27] <ToreadorVampire> DasKreecH> "What happened to that?" « Talking to me?
[09:27] <DasKreecH> No just musing in general
[09:28] <DasKreecH>  How come the partition manager doesn't come with KDE
[09:28] <ToreadorVampire> Mmm
[09:29] <ToreadorVampire> I mean, I could pick it up, but that meant connecting to the Internet, which (since network-management out-of-the-box doesn't play nicely with my wifi) meant finding an ethernet cable long enough etc
[09:29] <DasKreecH> hi raphink
[09:29] <raphink> hi DasKreecH
[09:30] <DasKreecH> Yeah If your wireless is shot it's easier to keep a version of Kubuntu that works withit or a real recovery Cd
[09:30] <ActionParsnip> ToreadorVampire: i've never had luck with those things. I always use the interfaces file directly, but thats me
[09:30] <ToreadorVampire> Mmm, well, I did manage to make network-management work with my wifi, but it took a lot of tinkering
[09:55] <unimic> any indian>
[09:56] <BaudThief> lol
[09:56] <DasKreecH> unimic: Hmm ?
[09:56] <BaudThief> destroy him!
[09:57] <unimic> ??
[09:57] <BaudThief> :\
[09:57] <DasKreecH> BaudThief: Yyou are a thief you shouldn't be talking :)
[09:57] <BaudThief> foiled ;(
[09:57] <DasKreecH> unimic: What language for indian ?
[09:58] <faileas> lol
[09:58] <faileas> ya, thats a valid question
[09:59]  * faileas speaks, but not types tamil:P
[09:59] <Guest10910> yes
[10:54] <starenka> hi, any workaround for kaffein - screensaver problem? (getting screensaver while watching movies)
[11:00] <t0by> hi im using kubuntu 9.04 . In glChess 2.24.1.1 when i go to Game->Network Game, all the options are disabled . Any way to fix this ?
[11:11] <shalyd_> hello
[11:12] <Mamarok> t0by: what is glChess? I didn't find it in the repositories...
[11:12] <Mamarok> shalyd_: hi
[11:15] <t0by> Mamarok : Its installed in KUbuntu 9.04 by default
[11:16] <t0by> is this a bug ?
[11:16] <t0by> glChess is the 3D Chess Game
[11:16] <Mamarok> t0by: well, not here at least, are you sure of the name?
[11:17] <Mamarok> there are several 3D chess games, but I can't find any with the name glChess
[11:18] <Mamarok> ah, you mean 3dchess?
[11:19] <bazhang> !find glchess
[11:19] <bazhang> t0by, perhaps its in gnome-games
[11:19] <Mamarok> oook, hence a Gnome problem
[11:19] <Mamarok> t0by: do you use Gnome?
[11:19] <t0by> im sorry guys, im using ubuntu 8.10 with kde v4.2.1
[11:20] <bazhang> t0by, if you install it , will pull in gnome-libs
[11:20] <t0by> ok
[11:20] <Mamarok> t0by: there are others like brutalchess and 3dchess and the like which do not install gnome libraries
[11:21] <t0by> alright
[11:21] <t0by> which one u recommend for kde ?..i need something that supports network play
[11:22] <Mamarok> hm, I can't recommend any as I do not play chess, but there are so many around...
[11:23] <t0by> ok :)
[11:41] <dwidmann> Mamarok: was a while ago, but I just decided to peak around at the mention of the word chess, and dreamchess looks pretty nice
[11:45] <Mamarok> dwidmann: yeah, there are quite a few around, the most interresting are those where you can change the engine
[11:46] <dwidmann> Mamarok: (dreamchess fits in that category also, it seems)
[11:47] <Mamarok> yes, just seen that
[11:48] <husayn> why do people use... Kubuntu instead of Debian ... we can get KDE in debian to...
[11:49] <husayn> i was thinking to shift from kubuntu to debian cause i am able to get trainings for ... Debian Linux
[11:49] <Peace-> because debian is too old
[11:49] <bazhang> !ot
[11:52] <husayn> Debian releases new versions tooo
[11:53] <Oliver___> Hallo, ich habe picasa und firefox auf Kubuntu 9.04 installiert und beides läuft unabhängig voneinander sorgenfrei. wenn ich aber ein picas-webalbum im browser übden dafür vorgesehen link zu picasa runterladen will, kommt folgende Meldung "Firefox weiß nicht, wie diese Adresse geöffnet werden soll, da das Protokoll (picasa) mit keinem Programm verknüpft ist." Üblicherweise sollte nach dem Klick das Picasa aufgehen und das Webalbum
[11:53] <Oliver___>  importieren. Wie sage ich das aber dem Firefox? Hat jemand einen Rat für mich?
[11:53] <Tm_T> !de | Oliver___
[11:54] <Mamarok> Oliver___: go to #kubuntu-de, please
[11:55] <ToreadorVampire> Hey all - Kubuntu Jaunty/KDE 4.2.2 - I'm having some trouble with plasma crashing (relatively frequently).  I have installed kdeplasma-addons-dbg but when Plasma crashes I still see:
[11:55] <Oliver___> ok thx, i forgot the language was wrong...
[11:55] <ToreadorVampire> This backtrace appears to be of no use.
[11:55] <ToreadorVampire> This is probably because your packages are built in a way which prevents creation of proper backtraces, or the stack frame was seriously corrupted in the crash.
[11:55] <ToreadorVampire> What else should I install/do in order to get a good backtrace so I can troubleshoot the problem?
[11:55] <Tm_T> ToreadorVampire: also install kdelibs-dbg kdebase-dbg atleast
[11:55] <Mamarok> ToreadorVampire: well, try again, if the bug is reproducible you might get a good backtrace one day
[11:56] <Mamarok> ToreadorVampire: -dbg is enough, just read the message:" stack frame seriously corrupted in the crash"
[11:56] <ToreadorVampire> Mamarok> Sadly, it's not reproducible (at least, not that I have discovered yet) - when it just exploded I wasn't interacting with plasma at all
[11:57] <Mamarok> ToreadorVampire: Heisenbug then, forget about it, not worth to report then
[11:57] <ToreadorVampire> I was working in an app, and wasn't taking any action that would affect plasma
[11:58] <ToreadorVampire> Mamarok> Sorry, when I say "not reproducible" I mean "It has happened a few times to me, seemingly the same crash.  Each time it happens though, I wasn't doing anything that I can think might have caused it"
[11:59] <ToreadorVampire> Mamarok> IE:  I couldn't reproduce it if I wanted to but I can be sure it will keep happening
[11:59] <Mamarok> ToreadorVampire: to be able to trace a bug down it needs to have a pattern, else the reports do not help
[12:00] <Tm_T> Mamarok: unless it's clearly shown in backtrace, rare cases are them though
[12:00] <ToreadorVampire> Mamarok> Oh, yes, of course - hence asking how I can get some proper backtraces - they might give some kind of hint
[12:00] <ToreadorVampire> At the end of the day it is still a crash bug, and in no way "not worth reporting"
[12:00] <xiachen> dude
[12:01] <Tm_T> ToreadorVampire: see what packages I mentioned above, if it still fails, it won't work I afraid then
[12:01] <Mamarok> ToreadorVampire: unfortunately with a corrupt strack you will never get a valid backtrace, you oinly can hope you will hit a good one some day
[12:01] <ToreadorVampire> I even think I know what has caused it - installing "stasks" as my task manager replacement.  Since it doesn't happen when I remove stasks.  BUT - without a proper backtrace there's still not much to report
[12:01] <Tm_T> Mamarok: that too yes
[12:01] <ToreadorVampire> Tm_T> Indeed, thanks - have installed them
[12:02] <ToreadorVampire> Mamarok> Well, that message is "maybe you don't have the debugging packages or maybe your stack trace was corrupted" - so having installed those debug packages, I'll see if next time it happens I get a good backtrace
[12:02] <Mamarok> ToreadorVampire: good luck then :)
[12:02] <ToreadorVampire> Mamarok> thx
[12:03]  * ToreadorVampire goes back to work and waits for it to happen again
[12:05] <ToreadorVampire> Hmm, as it happened - I didn't need to wait long, but just then I didn't get a kcrash dialog :(
[12:06] <Mamarok> ToreadorVampire: Jaunty with KDE 4.2.3?
[12:06] <ToreadorVampire> Mamarok> No, 4.2.2
[12:07] <Mamarok> ToreadorVampire: as 4.2.3 is a bugfix release you might consider to install that one
[12:08] <ToreadorVampire> Mamarok> Oh?  In which case maybe I shall ... Why aren't bugfix releases like that pushed through automatically through the updater?  It even has a category for approving bugfix releases (so if I didn't want it I could just deselect it)
[12:09] <ToreadorVampire> With less mature software like KDE4.x I'd think that getting bugfixes through would be top-priority, otherwise regular users would just get the impression that it's no good :(
[12:12] <ToreadorVampire> I've had somewhat mixed opinions of Jaunty - some parts of it are great, but it taken a lot of work to wrestle it into submission so it lets me get on with my work.  I'm also more than aware that most people would have lost their temper with it by now and just rolled back to Hardy/KDE3.5 with the opinion that "KDE4 sucks"
[12:13] <ToreadorVampire> Anyway ... I'll schedule that upgrade to KDE 4.2.3 for tonight - thanks for the heads-up Mamarok
[12:14] <Feasibility_Stud> Is KDE 4.2.3 in the stable repos yet?
[12:15] <ToreadorVampire> On the basis that a kpackagekit search-by-name for "4.2.3" shows nothing, I guess it's not :(
[12:15] <ToreadorVampire> Feasibility_Stud> ^^
[12:15] <theseus2> hello, my composite in kde4 just deactivated itself, because of high(cpu/memory)? usage is there a way to reacitivate it? I saw a infoscreen in the edge of my screen, but it disappeared too fast.
[12:16] <Feasibility_Stud> theseus2 Just log out and log back in
[12:18] <theseus2> Feasibility_Stud: thanks, but I cannot logout at the moment, I think I saw a key combination in the infoscreen to reacitvate the the effects, I would prefer this way.
[12:22] <theseus2> Does anybody know where I can find the (kde4) infoscreen logs, after they disapeare
[12:23] <jazman> any prog in kde like any dvd for windows
[12:23] <jazman> k9 freezes up
[12:26] <Feasibility_Stud> theseus2 press "SHIFT-ALT-F12"
[12:27] <theseus2> Feasibility_Stud: sry that didnt work :-(
[12:29] <Feasibility_Stud> theseus2 Im sorry, try "CTRL-SHIFT-F12"
[12:37] <theseus2> thanks shift alt f12 was right, but I had to set my powermanagement to performance before
[12:45] <jazman> is htere a linux prog like any dvd on windows ???
[12:46] <bazhang> jazman, to rip dvd's?
[12:46] <jazman> yep
[12:46] <bazhang> k9copy
[12:47] <bazhang> !info k9copy
[12:47] <jazman> cant get dvd prog to reaD an old dvd
[12:47] <jazman> k9 freezes
[12:47] <bazhang> what version of kubuntu you using
[12:47] <jazman> had to use windows and hate windows
[12:47] <jazman> juanty
[12:48] <bazhang> well there was a PPA for handbrake up to intrepid, could be compiled for Jaunty I suppose
[12:48] <bazhang> although the intrepid version may still work (risky though)
[12:49] <jazman> well did upgrade form intrepid
[12:49] <jazman> ill look for handbrake in the repo
[12:49] <bazhang> its a PPA
[12:49] <bazhang> jdong PPA handbrake
[12:51] <jazman> ??
[12:51] <bazhang> only for intrepid and hardy though
[12:52] <bazhang> !ppa | jazman
[12:52] <jazman> ok luanch pad im still i windows type user still got a bit to learn
[12:55] <bazhang> jazman, at this point better to figure out what is going wrong with k9copy then use a PPA as you are new to Kubuntu/Ubuntu
[12:55] <bazhang> !info ogmrip
[12:56] <bazhang> ogmrip will install gnome-libs though
[12:58] <ahmed> hi i try to configure pci dialup modem i use kppp i choose configure-modems-new-query modem i got unable to open modem]
[13:00] <robin0800> ahmed: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto
[13:04] <ahmed> robin0800: I used scanModem  in terminal I got lines with t
[13:04] <ahmed> ./scanModem: line 1247: Modem/scanout.02:09.0: Invalid argument
[13:04] <ahmed> what is this mean
[13:09] <Guest20924> hi to everybody
[13:10] <Guest20924> question
[13:10] <faileas> !question
[13:10] <Guest20924> ok
[13:11] <Guest20924> Im trying to use telnet with the terminal by type telnet
[13:11] <Guest20924> and  next
[13:11] <Guest20924> open mail.google.com 25
[13:12] <Guest20924> and it just cant connect to the port 25 (for mail services)
[13:12] <Guest20924> why
[13:12] <Guest20924> just shows a ip adress and nothing more
[13:12] <Guest20924> Trying 74.125.53.19...
[13:13] <Guest20924> what is the problem with telnet and kubuntu
[13:13] <Guest20924> some idea or tutorial
[13:14] <Guest20924> because i would like to put in practice some unix commands
[13:14] <Guest20924> of course in a telnet session
[13:16] <robin0800> ahmed: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto/ScanModem
[13:16] <ahmed> thanks
[13:31] <dthacker> Guest20924: maybe telnet is not available at the address you are trying?
[13:32] <Guest20924> ok IM TRY NOW
[13:32] <Guest20924> THIS
[13:32] <Guest20924> telnet, next open
[13:32] <faileas> capslock is not cruise control for cool
[13:32] <Guest20924> then:
[13:34] <Guest20924> 203.34.186.11 51234
[13:34] <Guest20924> it is now connected
[13:35] <Guest20924> then sel 8767
[13:35] <Guest20924> next cl
[13:35] <Guest20924> it show me a list of things
[13:36] <Guest20924> IM trying to understand
[13:37] <Guest20924> but I would like to connect to the server of the university
[13:38] <Guest20924> at least i know that this thing works
[13:39] <albe123> where can i find a repo of rekonq?
[13:40] <bazhang> what is rekonq
[13:42] <bluecode> does anyone know if there are packages of kdevelop4 beta3?
[13:44] <ahmed> I cannt install could someone help me here with step by step please I reaad too many faq everything fails
[13:44] <ahmed> I want to install pci modem to send and recieve faxes
[13:47] <Gamarok__> hey guys
[13:50] <albe123> bazhang rekonq is a webkit webbrowser for kde
[13:50] <Makuseru> Hi, i seem to be having a problem. I have a USB Microphone, and most of the time it works just fine, everything recognizes it. But sometimes it just stops working and nothing will recognize it anymore. Does anyone know what would cause this?
[14:03] <vbgunz> how do you manage printers on kubuntu 9.04?
[14:05] <ct529> vbgunz: system settings
[14:06] <vbgunz> im looking in there, searched too, nothing is coming back... I am trying to figure out a network printer
[14:21] <JuJuBee> Anybody here notice that when you have multiple files open in KATE, and you close them one by one, the buttons at the top move around?
[14:23] <noaXess> hi all
[14:23] <noaXess> how can i print files from konsole?
[14:23] <noaXess> in earlier versions of kde there was kprint..
[14:25] <umar> hello hi  room i have facing problem in ubuntu my heard  drivers are not open  gave me error  connot mount volume or unable mount  volume
[14:26] <umar> any one here for help ?
[14:27] <ahmed> I lost the sound driver  ther is no sound to hear i restart several times doesnt detect i was trying to install alsa-driver-linuxant_1.0.20.1_all.deb but it fails and removed the sound card driver my sound card is forteMedia
[14:30] <ahmed> I lost the sound driver  ther is no sound to hear i restart several times doesnt detect i was trying to install alsa-driver-linuxant_1.0.20.1_all.deb but it fails and removed the sound card driver my sound card is forteMedia
[14:34] <umar> hello hi  room i have facing problem in ubuntu my heard  drivers are not open  gave me error  connot mount volume or unable mount  volume  help me out
[14:35] <genii> noaXess: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164845
[14:43] <ahmad> I lost the sound driver how i make  i make  it woork back
[14:44] <noaXess> genii: thanks a lot :)
[14:45] <ahmad> someone help me with sound driver
[14:47] <jim_____> ccccccccccccccccccc
[14:49] <umar> hello hi  room i have facing problem in ubuntu my heard  drivers are not open  gave me error  connot mount volume or unable mount  volume  help me out
[14:52] <contrast> Greets, everyone.
[14:54] <contrast> Anyone know how likely this might be to cause disaster: sudo chown mike:mike /dev/input/uinput ? It's the only way I've found to be able to run wminput as a non-root user, something that's essential for my HTPC.
[14:57] <ivan360> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[15:03] <ahmed> i cannt see the sound someone help me
[15:06] <genii> contrast: Instead, you should add your user to the group of plugdev
[15:07] <contrast> genii: i'm already in that group
[15:08] <contrast> in jaunty, they thought it'd be appropriate to set up uinput so it couldn't be accessed by non-root users for security purposes. i'm not terribly concerned with that on the system in question; i just want to make sure the aforementioned command won't interfere with any other programs that use uinput.
[15:08] <genii> contrast: The permissions of things in /dev get reset each boot by udev subsystem so the method you currently use will need to be done each time
[15:08] <contrast> genii: unless i set up an init script to do that, right?
[15:10] <contrast> afayk, how "safe" do you think the method i'm suggesting would be?
[15:11] <genii> contrast: You could make a script for it, yes. An other alternative is to alter the udev rules.
[15:11] <ahmed> someone help  me to install sound card its foreteMedia
[15:12] <contrast> genii: already tried that, no joy. uinput has been pretty much completely locked down in jaunty afaict
[15:12] <contrast> ahmed: what kind of sound card?
[15:12] <genii> contrast: Hm. My main box here is 8.04 ... I'm ssh'd now into a 9.04 machine and looking at it
[15:13] <contrast> genii: thanks
[15:14] <BluesKaj> ahmed, just to be sure do : cat /proc/asound/cards
[15:14] <ahmed> its pci fortemedia it was working but i installed alsa-driver-linuxant_1.0.20.1_all.deb because i wanted for modem then i give me error and ilost the sound
[15:15] <contrast> what's the default owner and group of /dev/input/uinput in jaunty?
[15:15] <ahmed> BluesKaj: --- no soundcards ---
[15:16] <BluesKaj> ahmed, ok do : lspci | grep audio
[15:16] <ahmed> BluesKaj: 02:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Fortemedia, Inc Xwave QS3000A [FM801] (reva0)
[15:16] <contrast> genii: ^
[15:17] <ahmed> BluesKaj: 02:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Fortemedia, Inc Xwave QS3000A [FM801] (reva0)
[15:19] <ahmed> BluesKaj: r u still with me?
[15:21] <Zesturian> Hmm, I just threw kubuntu onto my laptop, it uses an Atheros based chipset, I can't seem to get it to connect to my network (tried both wpa and insecure), yet I can see a list of networks, am I missing anything?
[15:21] <genii> contrast: On the 9.04 box I'm remotely into, no X. The stuff in /dev/input on that box is root:root
[15:21] <genii> Bah
[15:24] <ahmed> BluesKaj: 02:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Fortemedia, Inc Xwave QS3000A [FM801] (reva0)
[15:24] <umar> any one here for Help me ?
[15:25] <umar> plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz any one here for Help me ?
[15:25] <umar> plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz any one here to Help me ?
[15:25] <Zesturian> You're obviously new to irc umar...
[15:26] <umar> yes
[15:26] <bazhang> umar, dont say please so much
[15:26] <bazhang> umar, if someone knows they will answer
[15:26] <umar> can u help me
[15:26] <bazhang> ask a question first
[15:26] <ahmed> my sound card is 02:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Fortemedia, Inc Xwave QS3000A [FM801] (reva0)  i was trying to install  alsa-driver-linuxant_1.0.20.1_all.deb but i got an error and it removed my sound card driver now i cannt hear any sound and i dont see the icon of sound
[15:27] <ahmed> how i make my sound work
[15:27] <umar> my Heard driver  gaveing me error of cantnot mount volume ?
[15:27] <bazhang> umar, what is a heard driver? hard drive?
[15:27] <vladimirboyd> руддщ
[15:28] <vladimirboyd> hello
[15:28] <bazhang> vladimirboyd, #ubuntu-ru for russian
[15:28] <vladimirboyd> yeah
[15:28] <vladimirboyd> ii know ;)
[15:28] <umar> heard disk
[15:29] <vladimirboyd> when i go to HSBC webpage, Konqueror says "240 images loaded out of 241" and then it freezes
[15:29] <vladimirboyd> has anyone experienced the same kinda thing?
[15:29] <umar> cannot mount volume
[15:30] <ahmed> BluesKaj:  r u here or u leave me?
[15:30] <BluesKaj> ahmed , check adept /pakage manager for the Fortemedia, Inc Xwave QS3000A driver
[15:32] <BluesKaj> ahmed, the deb packages do work , but the package managers usually do a better job of installing the drivers
[15:32] <ahmed> BluesKaj: i started addremovesoftware and serched for fortemedia nothing
[15:34] <ahmed> BluesKaj: so what i have to do now it was working be4 i install that app
[15:34] <Guest20924> someone knows somehing about telnet
[15:34] <Guest20924> something
[15:34] <BluesKaj> wait ahmed , I'm checking something
[15:35] <ahmed> BluesKaj: ok im waitng
[15:35] <Guest20924> I connect to a remote computer now what?
[15:39] <ahmed> BluesKaj: still here?//////
[15:43] <BluesKaj> !patience | ahmed
[15:45] <ahmed> BluesKaj: ok im waiting noproblem i just checking that u didnt leave me
[15:49] <BluesKaj> ahmed, did you use the deb installer to run the driver install procedure
[15:50] <BluesKaj> or did you use sudo dpkg -i  drivername
[15:50] <ahmed> do u mean fortemedia driver?? or the driver i installed and caused this problem?
[15:51] <BluesKaj> no the linuxant generic driver
[15:52] <ahmed> no i have alsa-driver-linuxant_1.0.20.1_all.deb i right clicked on it and open with Gdeb package installer
[15:52] <BluesKaj> so why did you try  the linuxant /
[15:52] <BluesKaj> ?
[15:52] <ahmed> I was trying to install Modem driver and tell me that this package should be installed firest
[15:55] <BluesKaj> was this instructions from the driver website , ahmed
[15:55] <ahmed> yes I also when i try to install the driver it fail depedcies
[15:56] <ahmed> now i have no sound and no modem
[15:56] <ahmed> but lets solve the sound in first step
[15:58] <kermit_> Hello, How can I create the contents of a pdf file in wordpress? Or any better ways?
[16:00] <kermit_> Is there some good tools to create a pdf file with the contents, a category?
[16:00] <kermit_> Thanks
[16:00] <BluesKaj> ahmed, lets try to find the original driver first ...it looks like the linxant driver is causing problems
[16:02] <ahmed> BluesKaj: ok how i reomve it and make the sound work
[16:04] <BluesKaj> ahmed sudo dpkg -r nameofsounddriver
[16:04] <BluesKaj> bb in 5mins
[16:05] <ahmed> dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove nameofsounddriver which isn't installed.
[16:05] <bazhang> ahmed, use the name of the sound driver
[16:06] <bazhang> ahmed, linuxant....deb (use the exact name)
[16:07] <ahmed> bazhang:ERROR: Module build failed!
[16:08] <bazhang> alsa-driver-linuxant_1.0.20.1_all.deb  <-- this the one you install from 3rd party sources?
[16:09] <ahmed> I dont know but i got error while remove
[16:10] <bazhang> ahmed, you dont know? you're sound was working fine, and you used a 3rd party driver that broke things, correct?
[16:10] <ahmed> I right click on alsa-driver-linuxant_1.0.20.1_all.deb and open with Gdeb packeag manager
[16:11] <ahmed> yes thats right
[16:11] <bazhang> never use 3rd party sources, unless you really really know what you are doing.
[16:11] <ahmed> I knew it now
[16:12] <ahmed> but i knew that there is a good support here
[16:13] <bazhang> not if you are breaking the package management system
[16:13] <ahmed> bazhang: wow u mean i have to reintall the system?
[16:14] <bazhang> ahmed, it means if you use 3rd party sources, then you are breaking the package management system
[16:14] <genii> ahmed: Did you have some "winmodem" that you needed to install Linuxant driver or such?
[16:14] <nidhal> Hello
[16:14] <bazhang> hi
[16:14] <genii> !hi | nidhal
[16:14] <ahmed> bazhang: so is there any chance to make sound work again??
[16:15] <nidhal> thanks guys
[16:15] <ahmed> genii: yes i have modem
[16:15] <bazhang> ahmed, what modem? a winmodem?
[16:15] <BluesKaj> ahmd , are you using a modem-sound conmbination pci card ?
[16:15] <ahmed> yes pci fax modem
[16:15] <nidhal> I need help upgarding kubuntu 7.04 to 7.10
[16:16] <bazhang> nidhal, 7.10 is end of life
[16:16] <bazhang> nidhal, you will need to go to 8.04 at the least
[16:16] <nidhal> yes but I have to upgrade to 7.10 then 8.04 right?
[16:16] <bazhang> !upgrade | nidhal
[16:16] <BluesKaj> nidhal, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:16] <ahmed> I dont know what u mean of compination i download the driver that fail i n dependcies it tell me to install alsa driver so i did that and it broke the sound
[16:16] <genii> nidhal: 7.04 and 7.10 both are no longer supported. You are best to just install 8.04 fresh
[16:17] <bazhang> BluesKaj, that wont work here
[16:18] <BluesKaj> bazhang, 7.04 to 7.10 ?
[16:18] <nidhal> you mean fresh install?
[16:18] <nidhal> yes
[16:18] <bazhang> BluesKaj, correct
[16:18] <bazhang> both are eol
[16:18] <genii> BluesKaj: Because BOTH are past EOL it won't work to do an upgrade
[16:19] <BluesKaj> well I remember it worked for me back then :)
[16:19] <BluesKaj> bazhang really , np repos ?
[16:19] <BluesKaj> no
[16:20] <bazhang> BluesKaj, well for a non-eol upgrade path, there are old-releases.ubuntu repos
[16:20] <ahmed> so i want the sound work again
[16:20] <nidhal> I cant install a fresh copy, so I have to upgrade to 7.10 then 8.04
[16:20] <nidhal> right?
[16:20] <bazhang> nidhal, check the upgrade links I sent you
[16:21] <bazhang> nidhal, and then you can go from 8.04 directly to 9.04 if you wish (kubuntu only)
[16:22] <ahmed> bazhang: what i have to do now to make sound work
[16:23] <BluesKaj> ahmed, what version did you upgrade to
[16:23] <ahmed> BluesKaj: i hash install
[16:23] <ahmed> 9.04
[16:23] <bazhang> ahmed, it seems you have two issues, correct? and you used 3rd party sources to try and fix things, away from Ubuntu/Kubuntu package management system, right?
[16:24] <ahmed> bazhang: I think thats true
[16:24] <bazhang> ahmed, is this a fresh install?
[16:25] <ahmed> BluesKaj: I have fresh install I didnt upgrade
[16:25] <bazhang> ahmed, how long ago
[16:25] <ahmed> yes I never Upgrade from old Version
[16:25] <nidhal> bazhang, you mean that I have to install a fresh copy of kubuntu 8.04?
[16:25] <BluesKaj> bazhang, I think that 3rd party driver never really installed , maybe he should just remove it and start from where he left off before trying to install it .
[16:25] <bazhang> nidhal, did you read the upgrade link?
[16:26] <nidhal> yes
[16:26] <ahmed> I install kubuntu 9.04 from a Month and there is no problem untill I tried to install modem driver
[16:27] <genii> ahmed: What reports from: lspci -nn            the line which says about your modem?
[16:28] <ahmed> 02:0c.0 Modem [0703]: ALi Corporation SmartLink SmartPCI563 56K Modem [10b9:545a]
[16:28] <ahmed> 02:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Fortemedia, Inc Xwave QS3000A [FM801] [1319:0801] (rev a0)
[16:28] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades nidhal and this?
[16:28] <ahmed> the first for modem and the other for sound card both now r not workibg
[16:29] <nidhal> that didn't work for me
[16:29] <ahmed> genii: 02:0c.0 Modem [0703]: ALi Corporation SmartLink SmartPCI563 56K Modem [10b9:545a]
[16:29] <ahmed> genii: 02:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Fortemedia, Inc Xwave QS3000A [FM801] [1319:0801] (rev a0)
[16:29] <genii> ahmed: Yes, I saw your result the first time :)
[16:29] <ahmed> ok sorry
[16:29] <bazhang> nidhal, what did not work
[16:31] <nidhal> find /tmp -name gutsy, no results
[16:31] <nidhal> they asked me to follow this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades
[16:32] <ahmed> so what i have to make sound work ??
[16:32] <genii> ahmed: Apologies for my lag, I am at work and back/forth from computer. But I am paying attention etc and working on a solution
[16:33] <ahmed> u mean u r searching for a solution??
[16:33] <ahmed> ok i'll wait thanks
[16:34] <genii> ahmed: I may be able to assist with the modem, but perhaps not with the soundcard
[16:35] <ahmed> ok
[16:35] <genii> ahmed: I have another time written a post on this subject, let me find it
[16:36] <genii> ahmed: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7340604&postcount=49
[16:37] <ahmed> ok man i'll check the link
[16:37] <genii> ahmed: It explains how to combine the free Dell driver with the regular Linuxant one and what you need to do to get it to install successfully under 9.04
[16:38] <ahmed> genii:
[16:38] <genii> ahmed: The Dell driver will work for 99% of all winmodems
[16:39] <ahmed> ok i tried to install hsfmodem_7.80.02.04full_k2.6.28_11_generic_ubuntu_i386.deb but it ask me to installl  alsa-driver-linuxant_1.0.20.1_all.deb first and once i did it broke my sound
[16:40] <Dreamytb> I'm installing a package using apt-get, and it said something about a configuration file changed. It now shows up a diff, and Ok at the bottom, but  can't exit it. Also, DNS on freenode fails, I'm connected by IP atm.  DNS works on everything else
[16:41] <Mamarok> Dreamytb: you can go to the ok button with the tab key
[16:42] <Dreamytb> Mamarok: Thanks
[16:45] <nidhal> I have changed all link in /etc/apt/sources.list to http://old-releases...then ive run "Fetch updates", when it finish "Version upgrade show"
[16:45] <Mamarok> nidhal: why did you do this?
[16:45] <nidhal> so I can upgrade to 7.10
[16:46] <Mamarok> ah, you are still running 7.04, ok, now I understand
[16:46] <Mamarok> nidhal__: it tells you what exactly?
[16:46] <Dreamytb> Second question: How can I map the Windows key to start the KDE menu? All the options seem to be to just have it as a modifier, not a shortcut by itself.
[16:47] <nidhal> could not download the release announcement. Please check that your internet connection is active.
[16:48] <Mamarok> nidhal: what package manager do you use to make this?
[16:49] <shalyd> dreamytb: it seems to be the "meta" key so you should try to use another hotkey to do this
[16:49] <ahmed> ok now i removed alsa-driver-linuxant_1.0.20.1_all but the sound did work how i could make it detect my fortemedia sound card and use it
[16:50] <nidhal> adept manager?
[16:50] <Mamarok> nidhal: you should follow this page for more security, as Gutsy already has reached it's end of life too:
[16:50] <Mamarok> nidhal: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[16:51] <Dreamytb> shalyd: ok. I just set it to Win-M, but I hoped there was a way to do it as just win key.
[16:51] <nidhal> but this doesn't work for me
[16:52] <Mamarok> nidhal: hm, that's the way to go for upgrade of EOL products, it should work
[16:52] <Mamarok> nidhal: you did try that wiki page I just gave you? Because the other one you indicated is not valid anymore AFAIK
[16:53] <nidhal> you mean this one?
[16:53] <nidhal> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades
[16:54] <Mamarok> yes, read the header of the page, it tells you to follow another one as it's EOL
[16:54] <bazhang> nidhal, please paste.ubuntu.com with your sources.list
[16:54] <Mamarok> bazhang: ...
[16:55] <bazhang> Mamarok, ??
[16:56] <Mamarok> bazhang: go on, just read the wiki page he tried to use...
[16:56] <nidhal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/186633/
[16:56] <nidhal> can you please access to http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release
[16:56] <bazhang> Mamarok, I did, it is a bit confusing as it is from 6.10 to 8.04, and he is getting stuck on the find /tmp -gutsy bit
[16:57] <nidhal> 7.04
[16:58] <nidhal> I know why it can't download the announcement because this link doesn' exsite anymore
[16:58] <nidhal> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/ReleaseAnnouncement
[16:59] <nidhal> it have to be http://old-releases....
[16:59] <bazhang> right, and security.ubuntu.com instead of archive.ubuntu.com
[16:59] <nidhal> this file need to be chnaged
[16:59] <nidhal> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release
[17:00] <bazhang> just # it out
[17:00] <nidhal> where?
[17:01] <bazhang> If you have the security repositories make sure you change them to security.ubuntu.com,
[17:01] <bazhang> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty-security main restricted
[17:01] <bazhang> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty-security main restricted
[17:02] <nidhal> in my sources.list?
[17:02] <bazhang> yep
[17:02] <bazhang> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:03] <Mamarok> why feisty, wasn't he going to use gutsy?
[17:03] <bazhang> first need to update feisty, then get to gutsy and from there to hardy
[17:04] <bazhang> really at this point though, backup home to tar.gz and fresh install would be waay easier
[17:04] <Mamarok> bazhang: wasn't there a possibility to go from LTS to LTS directly?
[17:04] <bazhang> Mamarok, sure 6.06 to 8.04
[17:04] <bazhang> he's on 7.04 sadly
[17:05] <nidhal> omg :(
[17:05] <Mamarok> right...
[17:06] <nidhal> lol there is no downgrade to 6.06
[17:06] <nidhal> just joking
[17:06] <Mamarok> nidhal: well, that's normal
[17:07] <nidhal> so the only way is installing a fresh copy?
[17:07] <bazhang> nidhal, though kubuntu does have the one step 8.04 to 9.04
[17:10] <bazhang> nidhal, not the only path, no.
[17:10] <nidhal> ?
[17:10] <bazhang> the eol upgrades link is one
[17:10] <bazhang> a fresh upgrade is another much simpler and less time-consuming one (ie get the Hardy kubuntu cd)
[17:11] <bazhang> err install
[17:11] <nidhal> err install?
[17:12] <bazhang> spelling error
[17:12] <bazhang> ie fresh install of kubuntu hardy
[17:12] <nidhal> can I upgrade my version using kubuntu 8.04 CD?
[17:13] <bazhang> you mean back up your home directory and then do a fresh install?
[17:15] <bazhang> only the alternate cd allows for the upgrade version, and that is null when the version is eol (ie feisty/gutsy)
[17:16] <nidhal> So i have to format and install a fresh copy
[17:16] <bazhang> the live cd will wipe everything, thus the need to back up your home directory
[17:16] <bazhang> that is one option, yes
[17:17] <nidhal> it is possible to install a fresh copy but without removing /home/user/?
[17:18] <Mamarok> nidhal: if the /home folder is on a separate partition, yes, that would be the easiest way
[17:18] <bazhang> nidhal, without backing up? unless on a separate partition then no
[17:19] <nidhal> anyway thanks for your time bazhang :)
[17:19] <nidhal> I will install a fresh copy
[17:19] <bazhang> nidhal, good luck :)
[17:20] <Mamarok> fingers crossed, nidhal
[17:20] <Mamarok> don't forget to backup your data first
[17:20] <nidhal> thanks
[17:20] <nidhal> yeah sure
[17:21] <nidhal> see you next time
[17:28] <petsounds> hello, how can i enabled KDM ?
[17:29] <shalyd> what do you mean by enable ?
[17:30] <Mamarok> petsounds: install it then remove gdm, it will ask you which login manager you want to use default
[17:32] <petsounds> mamarok : when i first install kubuntu, i choose not to enabled kdm so i don't need to fill username and password to login N then now i want to enabled login manager
[17:34] <Mamarok> petsounds: ah, now I get you!
[17:34] <Mamarok> petsounds: you will have to start systemsettings with kdesudo, then go to the advanced tab and change the login manager settings
[17:35] <Mamarok> petsounds: is this understandable? (looks a bit confused to me...)
[17:36] <OrEvA>  How do I use my tv-card in my system in ubuntu?
[17:36] <OrEvA>  How do I use my tv-card in my system in kubuntu?
[17:37] <bazhang> OrEvA, please dont repeat
[17:37] <petsounds> mamarok : i get it, just unchecked auto-login. that simple. thank you for your help
[17:38] <Mamarok> petsounds: yaw :)
[17:38] <bazhang> !tv > OrEvA
[17:44] <XRolando> Hm... I'm having some issues with Quassel
[17:44] <XRolando> it looks nice and all, but windows dont always update until I move my mouse over them
[17:55] <Guest20924> hi
[17:56] <Makuseru> When ever you install Kubuntu you have to name the comptuer (it shows up in the terminal as user@computername) and on the login screen. Is there anyway to change this name?
[17:56] <Guest20924> I have used telnet to connect via ip and port to a windows vista pc
[17:57] <Guest20924> and the telnet terminal say connected
[17:57] <Guest20924> but I can do anything more
[17:57] <Guest20924> I would like to see the files in that remote system
[17:58] <Guest20924> what more I need?
[17:59] <genii> Makuseru: sudo hostname new-name-here
[17:59] <prem_> Hi All
[18:00] <prem_> Did anyone tried installing VMWare workstation 6.5.2 in Jaunty, I installed kernel headers and build-essentials but still it says "gcc and kernel headers must be installed"
[18:00] <Makuseru> genii: thanks
[18:00] <genii> Makuseru: welcome
[18:00] <genii> Guest20924: Is there some particular reason you're using telnet?
[18:01] <Guest20924> learning
[18:02] <Guest20924> I was using unix and I would like to use it in telnet
[18:03] <Guest20924> IM now  connected to my  girlfriend computer, ja but i cant access  her files
[18:03] <genii> Guest20924: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/c.aspx has an index of the MS telnet commands their telnet uses
[18:04] <Guest20924> thanks
[18:06] <DasKreecH> XRolando: What? which windows?
[18:11] <RProgrammer> How do I control and see which window manager I'm running?
[18:14] <RProgrammer> Btw, if anyone is here from yesterday, the tap thing is fixed.
[18:14] <RProgrammer> Use "MaxTapMove" "0" in /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/20thirdparty/11-x11-synaptics.fdi
[18:18] <DasKreecH> RProgrammer: Not sure how you see it but just run whichever one you want with --replace
[18:18] <DasKreecH> I think you can set it in the Default programs as well
[18:19] <ToreadorVampire> Re-asking a question from yesterday:  Is there any way I can hook into the "log out" event of a Kubuntu Jaunty UI (or could someone suggest a better way to do this?):  I have a few network shares I regularly use - I mount them using cifs - I am also networked via wifi (using the network-management KDE4 widget) ...
[18:20] <DasKreecH> Yeah KDE allows a logout script
[18:20] <DasKreecH>  so does bash
[18:20] <RProgrammer> ~/.kde/shutdown/   right?
[18:20] <ToreadorVampire> ... when I shut down the machine, the network-management widget gets shut down, and so my networking goes down.  Later on in the shutdown sequence though, long after the xserver has been closed down, cifs grumbles at me because it can't umount that network share, and (now networking has gone) the "cifs server is not responding"
[18:21] <ToreadorVampire> The net effect being that my machine hangs when I shut it down, forcing me to do a hard-poweroff
[18:21] <ToreadorVampire> DasKreecH, RProgrammer>  Ah cool, and that log out script - would that be executed before or other logout procedures occur?  For example, can I be certain that network-management won't have been shut down by then?
[18:22] <RProgrammer> I think KDE is first to shutdown
[18:22] <RProgrammer> Definitely before X
[18:22] <DasKreecH> WEll yeah KDE normally has an issue running around without X
[18:22] <DasKreecH> but you can close and sync cifs before that happens so it doesn't complain
[18:23] <DasKreecH> Or you could use wicd instead
[18:23] <ToreadorVampire> RProgrammer> Er, yes - but - I mean: I was going to stick a umount command in that logout script so that if I forgot to manually unmount the share before I shut down, it will be unmounted whilst I still have networking
[18:23] <RProgrammer> Right
[18:24] <ToreadorVampire> So - for it to be useful - the logout script needs to be executed before network-management has been shut down
[18:24] <DasKreecH> It will be
[18:25] <ToreadorVampire> DasKreecH> Ah good, so - ~/.kde/shutdown right?
[18:26] <DasKreecH> Yes
[18:30] <RProgrammer> Well, how do I tell which window manager I'm running?
[18:30] <RProgrammer> I remember in 8.04 there was a system tray applet for this.
[18:31] <RProgrammer> It was buggy as heck but it worked if you rebooted enough
[18:32] <Mamarok> RProgrammer: you mean you don't know if you are running KDE or Gnome? How can that be
[18:34] <RProgrammer> I am running KDE
[18:34] <RProgrammer> But I want the Compiz window manager
[18:34] <Mamarok> oh, right
[18:34] <RProgrammer> And the ability to switch back to KWin when it acts up
[18:34] <Mamarok> RProgrammer: but isn't using Compiz on KDE4 a bit "too much" ?
[18:35] <RProgrammer> I just came from Mac OS X, and believe me..you can't live without Expose once you've used it.
[18:35] <BluesKaj> compiz runs nicely on kde4 :)
[18:37] <RProgrammer> I heard that Compiz can do the same behavior (Put all windows in a collage, and Show desktop by hot-corner)
[18:37] <RProgrammer> As well as the show-desktops-in-a-grid and switch between desktops by rotating a cube
[18:38] <RProgrammer> But nothing I change in the "CompizConfg Settings Manager" takes effect.
[18:43] <ToreadorVampire> RProgrammer> You need to change your default window manager
[18:44] <ToreadorVampire> If you change your default window manager then compiz replaces kwin
[18:44] <RProgrammer> How do you do that?
[18:44] <ToreadorVampire> System Settings » Default Applications (from the top of my head)
[18:44] <DasKreecH> RProgrammer: Kwin does that as well
[18:44] <DasKreecH> I find hot corners annouying but it does it
[18:45] <ToreadorVampire> RProgrammer> But indeed - kwin has a stack of compiz-style effects now ... so you might not need compiz after all
[18:45] <scomar> RProgrammer: try 'present windows' desktop effect
[18:45] <ToreadorVampire> You can switch those on ... erm ... I forget exactly where, but it's in system settings again
[18:45] <DasKreecH> Oh Yes sorry it's not called Expose it's called present windows
[18:46] <RProgrammer> Is System Settings -> Desktop -> Desktop Effects  for KWin or Compiz?
[18:47] <ToreadorVampire> RProgrammer> That's the one then :s
[18:48] <RProgrammer> I think I've switched it to Compiz by running the CompizConfig Settings Manager
[18:48] <ToreadorVampire> RProgrammer> Oh, actually - I find the setting in:
[18:48] <RProgrammer> Can I switch it back without logging out / in
[18:48] <DasKreecH> RProgrammer: Yes
[18:48] <ToreadorVampire> System Settings » Default Applications » Window Manager » "Use a different window manager"
[18:49] <RProgrammer> I think that only takes effect if I log out and back in
[18:49] <ToreadorVampire> RProgrammer> You might also be interested in the package fusion-icon (which gives you a little tray icon for doing stuff like switching between compiz and kwin, restarting compiz, and launching compizconfig settings manager)
[18:49] <RProgrammer> That's it!
[18:50] <DasKreecH> I normally just type kwin --replace or compiz --replace :)
[18:50] <ToreadorVampire> Mmm, I have fusion-icon set to autostart - although I rarely use it - I really have it there just in case something goes wrong, I can restart compiz or switch back to kwin
[18:50] <ToreadorVampire> But I have compiz configured as my default window manager, I don't need to "switch to compiz" when I log in - the session starts up with compiz already
[18:51] <DasKreecH> Yeah KDE will save everything when you logout so when you login it was just as it was before
[18:52] <ToreadorVampire> DasKreecH> Er, yeah - although I'm not using that functionality to have compiz run - I don't rely on "saved session" so much
[18:52] <DasKreecH> You can also set it as your default WM
[18:53] <ToreadorVampire> Indeed, which is the way I went
[18:54]  * ToreadorVampire has been using compiz for a year or two now - although I came into it via Beryl, and then compiz after the re-merge to create compiz fusion
[18:55] <xalles> hello
[18:55] <assula> hi
[18:55] <assula> alguien de mexico?
[18:55] <gp> hi i am using kubuntu jauty with cursed kde 4.x series
[18:56]  * ToreadorVampire hands gp a rabbit's foot?
[18:56] <bjb1959> anyone have any idea why firefox continually gives an error to killall or reboot system. I have tried to use the download from the site instead of the synaptic install with the same result. any ideas?
[18:56] <gp> proplem is that update is not working
[18:56] <ToreadorVampire> gp> Lemme guess?  "You need to fork!"
[18:56] <gp> its saying you are authorized
[18:56] <xalles> IM NEW
[18:56] <gp> ToreadorVampire: i think ksudo is not working
[18:57] <gp> when i click on update icon rather than asking my password it says you are not authorized
[18:57] <gp> when i click on update icon rather than asking my password it says you are not authorized
[18:57] <Mamarok> gp: you have to type kdesudo
[18:57] <ToreadorVampire> gp> Hmm, doesn't sound like the problem I know about ... I'll leave that question for someone else who might know more ...
[18:58] <jaunty100__> /part
[18:59] <apelgate> how do I setup a static ip address on kubuntu?
[18:59] <gp> adept , security update not working it says you are not authorized
[18:59] <DasKreecH> Mamarok: to click on a icon?
[18:59] <gp> apelgate: vim /etc/network/iterfaces
[18:59] <apelgate> hmm
[18:59] <apelgate> I will check it out.
[18:59] <gp> yeah kubutu 9.10 sucks
[19:00] <Mamarok> DasKreecH: what do you mean?
[19:00] <ToreadorVampire> Hmm, sad when "the smallest video file I can find" for a test is 50MB large :s
[19:00] <Mamarok> gp: behave!
[19:00] <apelgate> gp: how is the syntax?
[19:00] <apelgate> I see only auto lo
[19:00] <DasKreecH> I can set Static in 9.10
[19:00] <Mamarok> gp: Kubuntu 9.10 is Alpha software, discussion is in #ubuntu+1
[19:01] <gp> Why does KoniKal releases alpha software ?
[19:01] <apelgate> does anyone have a hint for me?
[19:01] <DasKreecH> Mamarok: gp said that clicking on the Update icon gives unauthorized. You said you have to use KDEsudo
[19:01] <Mamarok> gp: I don't know what you are talking about, if you use Kubuntu 9.10 it's Alpha and not released
[19:01] <DasKreecH> gp: They haven't released it
[19:01] <Mamarok> DasKreecH: eeks, misread that one
[19:02] <gp> sorry jaunty jackass
[19:02] <gp> 9.04
[19:03] <ToreadorVampire> apelgate> If you're dead set on doing it through /etc/network/interfaces then there's an example here:  http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialNetworking.html#ASSIGNIP (scroll down a touch)
[19:03] <ToreadorVampire> apelgate> BUT - there are better ways of doing that through the GUI - if you tell he channel which version of Kubuntu you are using then someone can help
[19:03] <ToreadorVampire> The instructions will depend on which version of Kubuntu you're running
[19:04] <apelgate> ToreadorVampire: I donwloaded it yesterday, so it should be the latest one. How can I check it exactly?
[19:04] <Nerdz> Hello
[19:04] <tomsdale> anyone using virtualbox in Kubuntu. I'm using the 2.2.2 version and it seems to crash my system (maxout memory) after about 30 minutes.
[19:04] <apelgate> 9.04
[19:04] <ToreadorVampire> apelgate> Hmm, if you downloaded yesterday then you have either Jaunty or Hardy (depending which download option you chose)
[19:04] <apelgate> lsb_release --all
[19:04] <DasKreecH> That's the latest
[19:05] <ToreadorVampire> Oh, 9.04 is Jaunty
[19:05] <apelgate> yeah. I am bad with names. I rather go with numbers :-P
[19:05] <Mamarok> gp_is_back: read the topic, please and respect the channel rules
[19:05] <DasKreecH> apelgate: :-)
[19:05] <Nerdz> Is there a way to get kubuntu to see my Scanner? Im running 9.04 and 8.04 saw my scanner. I have a HP1100A with attached scanner
[19:05] <Mamarok> Nerdz: did you install sane?
[19:06] <DasKreecH> gp_is_back: You get a pop up when you click on the update icon?
[19:06] <ToreadorVampire> So - you'll probably have network-management - that little KDE widget - it's probably sitting down on your panel on the right-hand-side, next to your clock?
[19:06] <gp_is_back> yes
[19:06] <Nerdz> Mamrok, let me check
[19:06] <apelgate> yes
[19:06] <ToreadorVampire> apelgate> ^^
[19:06] <gp_is_back> but its says you are noth authorized
[19:06] <apelgate> ToreadorVampire: I have it. I tried right clicking on it
[19:06] <DasKreecH> gp_is_back: When did you get the install CD?
[19:06] <apelgate> got a menu
[19:06] <gp_is_back> i upgraded from 8.10
[19:06] <apelgate> clicked on "manage connections"
[19:06] <DasKreecH> gp_is_back: never mind :) press alt+F2 and kdesudo kpackagekit
[19:06] <apelgate> then wired
[19:07] <Nerdz> mamarok, No I didnt. Doing that now.
[19:07] <apelgate> then chose my "lan" connection
[19:07] <ToreadorVampire> apelgate> Right - that sounds like you're doing it right ...
[19:07] <DasKreecH> gp_is_back: oh wait you have adept there as well ?
[19:07] <gp_is_back> yes
[19:07] <apelgate> then "Edit"
[19:07] <ToreadorVampire> apelgate> Sounds good so far ...
[19:07] <apelgate> on "Ip address, I changed method to manual
[19:07] <Nerdz> Mamarok, OK, Installed it. Now what?
[19:07] <apelgate> then "add"
[19:07] <Mamarok> Nerdz: sane is the scanner frontend and it comes with a lot of libraries for various models
[19:08] <apelgate> 30.0.0.254 255.255.255.0 30.0.0.254
[19:08] <Mamarok> Nerdz: it should see your scanner if it's supported
[19:08] <apelgate> then pressed ok
[19:08] <apelgate> and it still didn't show up right on ifconfig
[19:08] <ToreadorVampire> apelgate> Ah ... since you made those changes - have you logged out/logged in (or otherwise restarted networking?)
[19:08] <Nerdz> mamarok, so you mean just run "sudo sane" ?
[19:09] <Mamarok> Nerdz: I don't think you have to run it with sudo
[19:09] <DasKreecH> gp_is_back: Umm ok run kdesudo kpackagekit
[19:09] <ToreadorVampire> apelgate> I don't know for certain, but I suspect those changes will require you to restart networking ... there are several ways of doing that, and if "you don't want to get technical" then the easiest way to do that is to log out and then log back in.
[19:09] <gp_is_back> DasKreecH: every time have run konsole ? why does click update taksbar not running ?
[19:09] <Nerdz> mamarok, I get command not found =x
[19:09] <gp_is_back> yeah its running
[19:10] <ToreadorVampire> You might be able to do it by pulling the network cable out and putting it back in ... and ... erm ... there is a commandline way of doing it, but I forget what that is ..
[19:10] <DasKreecH> gp_is_back: Ok Click on software updates
[19:11] <DasKreecH> And refresh
[19:11] <apelgate> ToreadorVampire: even that didn't work
[19:12] <Nerdz> Mamarok, when I run xsane it says no devices were found
[19:12] <Mamarok> Nerdz: I guess you will need some extra backends, try installing libsane-extras (libsane should already be installed with sane), and the sane-utils
[19:12] <apelgate> I don't know if this network manager logs whatever it does somewhere or if it is just easier to edit the /etc.... file
[19:12] <ToreadorVampire> apelgate> Hmm :(  I do know that network-management was pretty buggy for me when I first used it - I've managed to get a fragile configuration working for it that works with my wifi
[19:12] <apelgate> yes
[19:12] <apelgate> it works with dhcp
[19:12] <apelgate> :-P
[19:13] <Mamarok> Nerdz: the command would be xsaneimage
[19:13] <apelgate> but not with manual ip (it seems)
[19:13] <ToreadorVampire> apelgate> I did notice that when (today) I enabled proposed updates in kpackagekit that there's a bugfix update for network-management
[19:13] <gp_is_back> DasKreecH: yeah ran it itsalled the update
[19:13] <DasKreecH> gp_is_back: ok great :)
[19:13] <apelgate> hmmm
[19:13] <apelgate> good idea
[19:13] <ToreadorVampire> apelgate> Might be worth trying that out - if you head over there, enable those other two update repositories and grab updates from them ...
[19:14] <apelgate> what's the command? apt-get upgrade?
[19:14] <gp_is_back> DasKreecH: problem is whenever I click on adept /synatic etc its not asking for sudo password
[19:14] <ToreadorVampire> apelgate> Well, there will b two repositories in your /etc/apt/sources.list that will be commented out atm
[19:14] <DasKreecH> Not sure. Mamarok any ideas?
[19:14] <ToreadorVampire> apelgate> I believe they are "recommended updates" and "proposed updates"
[19:15] <ToreadorVampire> apelgate> Enable those first to see the bugfix release I'm talking about
[19:15] <Nerdz> Mamarok, Scans for devices, but finds nothing.
[19:16] <Mamarok> DasKreecH: not sure, but in KPackagekit one could disable the password in the early versions
[19:16] <DasKreecH> gp_is_back: You prefer using adept?
[19:17] <Mamarok> or maybe there is a lock on /var/cache/
[19:17] <ToreadorVampire> apelgate> Ah, here we are - in kpackgekit that would be "proposed updates" and "unsupported updates" that I enabled today - after doing that I spotted the network-management plasmoid bugfix update available
[19:17] <gp_is_back> DasKreecH: i prefer using synaptic
[19:17] <Mamarok> Nerdz: try unpluging and pluging back the scanner
[19:18] <gp_is_back> but why o why my system after updrade is not asking sudo password
[19:18] <Mamarok> gp_is_back: just type synaptic in a konsole then
[19:18] <ToreadorVampire> (catching the cross-chatter) Adept is available in Jaunty's repos?  Ooh - I might ditch kpackagekit and use adept instead ... I never did like kpackagekit much anyway
[19:18] <apelgate> ToreadorVampire: I will enable those
[19:18] <Mamarok> gp_is_back: you should get an error message
[19:19] <gp_is_back> Starting without administrative privileges
[19:19] <gp_is_back> You will not be able to apply any changes. But you can still export the marked changes or create a download script for them.
[19:19] <gp_is_back> i am in sudoers list
[19:20] <TheGrammarFreak> You know that app for adding and removing applications? It's found in gnome by deafault, does anyone know how I could get that on Kubuntu?
[19:20] <ToreadorVampire> apelgate> Yeah - I have no idea if it will help you of course - but it's worth giving a shot
[19:20] <TheGrammarFreak> It's not synaptic
[19:20] <TheGrammarFreak> It just called "add/remove software"
[19:20] <Mamarok> gpgquit synaptic and start it again with sudo synaptic from the konsole
[19:21] <Mamarok> TheGrammarFreak: it's packagekit, and it's part of the systemsettings in KDE
[19:21] <Nerdz> Mamarok, Nope Nothing. It worked before with Kubuntu 8.04 though...so I cant think of whats different
[19:21]  * ToreadorVampire still isn't sure that it was a wise idea to not include KDE3.5 in Jaunty - I still see too many problems in Jaunty relating to KDE4.x being too immature for serious/production use (without a lot of work going into it to get it to work properly)
[19:21] <Mamarok> gp_is_back: gquit synaptic and start it again with sudo synaptic from the konsole
[19:22] <gp_is_back> works
[19:22] <Mamarok> Nerdz: ev. check the sane webpage, you will eventually need a driver then
[19:22] <TheGrammarFreak> No, this lists all the actual packages, it was an app for noobs, and it just showed the software names.
[19:22] <Mamarok> gp_is_back: nice :)
[19:22] <gp_is_back> i guess Kde is not asking for sudo password
[19:22] <Mamarok> TheGrammarFreak: then it's adept
[19:23] <TheGrammarFreak> I'll have a look
[19:23] <Mamarok> gp_is_back: it should, don't know what's wrong with your installation
[19:23] <Mamarok> gp_is_back: never heard that before
[19:23] <gp_is_back> its not working after updrade
[19:24] <TheGrammarFreak> It's not exactly what I was after, but it will do
[19:24] <Mamarok> gp_is_back: you only did an upgrade, you didn't change settings in kwallet or systemsettings?
[19:25] <gp_is_back> only updrade
[19:25] <DasKreecH> !kde3 | ToreadorVampire
[19:25] <gp_is_back> !hi
[19:25] <gp_is_back> !help
[19:26] <Mamarok> gp_is_back: don't abuse the bot, please
[19:26] <gp_is_back> sorry bot
[19:27] <ToreadorVampire> DasKreecH> Indeed ... I know all of that - and I know that I could roll back to hardy ... My big problem then is that Hardy has > year-old versions of software I use a lot.  I want the versions that are in Jaunty (and that software isn't in hardy-backports).
[19:27] <ToreadorVampire> ... so - yeah, I could use the unsupported KDE 3.5 Jaunty install - but "unsupported" often makes me shy to install it, because this is a production machine
[19:27] <gp_is_back> DasKreecH: use debian then
[19:27] <DasKreecH> ToreadorVampire: Did you read the factoid? Esp the part that says jaunty?
[19:28] <ToreadorVampire> Yes, but you replied before I had finished answering :p
[19:28] <DasKreecH> ToreadorVampire: You do know that unsupported means unsupported by canonical
[19:28] <DasKreecH> So you can't buy support for it. If you aren't buying support for KDE4 it doesn't make much of a difference to you
[19:29] <TheGrammarFreak> It was gnome-app-install I was after, but thanks anyway
[19:29] <ToreadorVampire> So (at least when I first had stacks of problems with Jaunty) I had really started giving thought to trying a different distro
[19:29] <ToreadorVampire> DasKreecH> Oh ... well ... that needs to be more explicit :s  Because I assume "unsupported" to mean "if I ask in #kubuntu, people won't make much effort to help"
[19:30] <Mamarok> TheGrammarFreak: guess why it's not in KDE...
[19:30] <ToreadorVampire> Anyway - I have slowly been wrestling Jaunty into shape, and KDE4/Jaunty is growing on me ...
[19:30] <TheGrammarFreak> Indeed
[19:30] <DasKreecH> ToreadorVampire: I'll agree you will have less help here as well as most people will be more familar with KDE4 by now
[19:30] <ilya> Привет всем
[19:30] <TheGrammarFreak> But I prefer it
[19:30] <Mamarok> !ru | ilya
[19:31] <ToreadorVampire> ... there are still problems - some of which I have implemented manual workarounds for and some of them I have just slightly changed the way I work, so that I don't trigger those bugs/crashes
[19:31] <Mamarok> TheGrammarFreak: well, you can install it, but it will install half of Gnome with it then, don't be astonished
[19:31]  * ToreadorVampire has started getting heavily involved in launchpad/KDE's issue tracker since installing Jaunty ;)
[19:32] <TheGrammarFreak> I just have, and get over tha fact that I prefer some of gnomes stuff
[19:32] <Mamarok> TheGrammarFreak: you will get used to KDE pretty fast, don't worry, just stay open minded :)
[19:32] <TheGrammarFreak> I have used KDE since gnome died on me
[19:33] <TheGrammarFreak> Which is about three months
[19:33] <DasKreecH> It died?
[19:33] <TheGrammarFreak> It's better, but I prefer some gnome apps
[19:33]  * Mamarok needs food...
[19:33] <TheGrammarFreak> Well, the whole OS died
[19:33] <DasKreecH> TheGrammarFreak: So use them. Nothing stops you
[19:33]  * DasKreecH feeds Mamarok Grapes
[19:33] <Mamarok> will be back later, cu
[19:33] <Mamarok> DasKreecH: will bring you some cookies back then :)
[19:34] <ToreadorVampire> Anyway ... I guess in about 2 years time KDE 4 will become stable/mature and I'll be totally happy
[19:34] <TheGrammarFreak> I am
[19:35] <DasKreecH> ToreadorVampire: :) What's missing for you?
[19:35] <gp_is_back> %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
[19:36] <ToreadorVampire> DasKreecH> Well, that network-management widget has been really wobbly - I have gotten it working, but my config is really 'fragile' and I daren't try to edit it lest it takes me 30 mins to reconfigure my wifi :s
[19:36] <DasKreecH> ToreadorVampire: You knw it hasn't been released yet? :)
[19:36] <DasKreecH> It's a backport from SVN
[19:37] <ToreadorVampire> DasKreecH> Then - why the heck was it included as the default network management widget when knetworkmanager was perfectly good?  (or - if it had issues, they were issues that people knew about and had already created workarounds for)
[19:37] <Mamarok> ToreadorVampire: it already is, you will see it with KDE 4.3
[19:37] <DasKreecH> Good point on that
[19:38] <gp_is_back> should i file a bug report for this?
[19:39] <ToreadorVampire> DasKreecH> The thing is - I'm aware that I'm not a "linux pro" but I have a fairly reasonable understanding and (although I grumble and moan vocally) I have a willingness to "spend time and make it work".  A regular office-type user would just say "it doesn't work" and their experience of kubuntu jaunty/kde4 will be tained by "it looks nice, but it can't connect to my wireless network"
[19:39] <DasKreecH> ToreadorVampire: I know :(
[19:40] <DasKreecH> But I think part of it is to use this as much as possible to make it better faster
[19:40] <ToreadorVampire> Indeed
[19:40] <gp_is_back> DasKreecH: Kde 4 is big waste of time ...its half coocked stuff
[19:41] <ToreadorVampire> Same thing with the default nvidia driver version included with Jaunty (actually, tbh this was an issue with Hardy too - I skipped Intrepid) - the nvidia glx driver version 180 is pretty buggy (the nvidia people admit that openly) - but it's the default driver version in Jaunty ...
[19:41] <gp_is_back> maybe it will stable in next 4-5 years
[19:41] <Mamarok> gp_is_back: don't be silly, I use KDE 4 since it's beginning, and KDE 4.3 is rock solid here
[19:42] <gp_is_back> hehe
[19:42] <gp_is_back> me too
[19:43] <Mamarok> gp_is_back: 4.0 was never intended for end users anyway, enither was 4.1
[19:43] <gp_is_back> and 4.2 without network applet?
[19:43] <ToreadorVampire> ... and there's no newer driver available in Jaunty's repos, where there is a far superior stable/released driver on nvidia's ftp site (version 185.18.14).  Driver version 180 (Jaunty's default one) has serious crash bugs, and 173 (the alternative one in the repos) suffers from a GPU slowdown issue - both of those will give people the impression that Kubuntu/KDE4 are inferior .
[19:43] <ToreadorVampire> ... when it could have actually be resolved with a decent bugfixed driver in the repos
[19:44] <Mamarok> gp_is_back: I always had it and it always worked for me, sometimes a few tweaks, but it worked
[19:44] <TheGrammarFreak> KDE 4 seems fine to me
[19:44] <DasKreecH> gp_is_back: Half Cooked I can maybe understand. Waste of time? no that doesn't make sense
[19:44] <gp_is_back> living in denial
[19:44] <DasKreecH> gp_is_back: How is it a waste of time?
[19:44] <Mamarok> ahem, graphic drivers have nothing to do with KDE, that's the underlying system that handles it
[19:44] <ToreadorVampire> On both Hardy and Jaunty I ended up removing the repos-installed glx driver and using one from nvidia's site
[19:45] <gp_is_back> DasKreecH: its expermental stuff will take couple of years to get stable
[19:45] <Mamarok> also, if you really want to complain about graphic drivers, please talk to Nvidia, AMD/Ati and Intel
[19:45] <DasKreecH> gp_is_back: I can think of one thing that is true for
[19:45] <gp_is_back> if nokia doest shift focus to mobiles ;-)
[19:45] <DasKreecH> and no one else in the world has anything like it
[19:45] <Mamarok> ok, back to topic everyone, support channel here, discussions please in #kubuntu-offtopic!
[19:45] <ToreadorVampire> Mamarok> Yeah, but I'm saying - because the repository-installed driver has horrid bugs, someone who is not aware of the difference between all of that stuff will just say "Yeah, my shit keeps hanging on me, KDE4 sucks"
[19:46] <Nerdz> Mamarok, Im installing HPLIP to see if I can get it to work
[19:46] <gp_is_back> i want to use Gnome but its SO GOD DAMN UGLY
[19:46] <Mamarok> Nerdz: that's waht I would have suggested next
[19:46] <Mamarok> gp_is_back: behave!
[19:46] <ToreadorVampire> If I get some spare time I'll have to read a bit about .deb packaging and see if I can't put a dirty .deb together for the 185-version driver ...
[19:46] <Mamarok> gp_is_back: either you respect the IRC guidelines or you go, don't want to remind you all the time!
[19:46] <ToreadorVampire> ... because I can't possibly be the only person who has been hit with that problem :(
[19:47] <gp_is_back> Mamarok: take a pill
[19:47] <Mamarok> gp_is_back: last warning
[19:47] <DasKreecH> gp_is_back: join #kubuntu-offtopic
[19:47] <gp_is_back> just kidding
[19:48]  * ToreadorVampire is distracted by pie
[19:48] <gp_is_back> its sad developers have lost sense of humor always threating to kick some one :-(
[19:48] <DasKreecH> gp_is_back: This is a support forum Join #kubuntu-offtopic
[19:48] <Mamarok> gp_is_back: it's the rules here, if you don't respect them, please leave
[19:49] <genii> gp_is_back: `This isn't the developer channel.
[19:49] <DasKreecH> Yu can talk there as much as you like
[19:49] <gp_is_back> oks
[19:51] <test__> test
[19:51] <ToreadorVampire> A test?  But I never had time to study!
[19:51] <genii> test__: Yes, we can see what you type
[19:52] <gp_is_back> is kde 4.3 better that kde 4.2 ?
[19:52] <gp_is_back> its it available thru ppa ?
[19:52] <gp_is_back> is it stable enough?
[19:52] <Mamarok> gp_is_back: it's for experienced users only, as there are some dependency problems
[19:53] <DasKreecH> gp_is_back: It's available but I'd wait for the next beta. KDe 4.3 is stable currently but hte packaging on the PPA is a bit strange
[19:53] <Mamarok> but once those solved and everything installed it is rock-solid, as I said.
[19:53] <gp_is_back> compile from source then ?
[19:53] <DasKreecH> The next one will be better since there isn't a conference at the same time
[19:53] <ToreadorVampire> gp_is_back> Whenever I mention issues I have with 4.2.2 in #kde the first resonse if usually "fixed in kde4.3"
[19:53] <Mamarok> gp_is_back: try Neon if you want to have an idea of KDE trunk
[19:54] <gp_is_back> i guess i will make virtual machine to test it out dont want to mess my desktop
[19:54] <Mamarok> gp_is_back: Neon nightly builds is sandbocked, it doesn't change anything in your system
[19:55] <Mamarok> sandboxed*... that was an ugly one :(
[19:55] <gp_is_back> so two kde versions can live side by side ?
[19:58] <Mamarok> gp_is_back: actuall it is installed and run in a different session, so it doesn't mix
[19:58] <ToreadorVampire> Anyway, best get this TestFixture finished ...
[19:59]  * ToreadorVampire wanders off back to his IDE
[20:00] <gp_is_back> Mamarok: how to install it ?
[20:01] <JDahl> KDE 4.2 in Ubuntu 9.04 seems to drop my wireless network connection very frequently, and I can only reconnect after a reboot - have other people here had similar problems?
[20:06] <Mamarok> gp_is_back: wait, I'll get you the PPA
[20:08] <gp_is_back> thanks
[20:08] <Mamarok> here you go : http://launchpad.net/~project-neon
[20:09] <umar> Any one here for help me out from this problem ?
[20:09] <umar> hey hey mamarok how are u
[20:09] <umar> can u halp me plzzzzzzzz
[20:09] <umar> i need ur help
[20:10] <gp_is_back> umar: it's the rules here, if you don't respect them, please leave
[20:10] <gp_is_back> !rules
[20:10] <umar> ok
[20:10] <Mamarok> !ask | umar
[20:10] <umar> ill falow rule
[20:11] <Mamarok> you shouls tell us what your problem is first :)
[20:11] <umar> well i open my drive  cannot mount volume
[20:11] <umar> gavring me erroe
[20:11] <umar> error
[20:11] <zos> which drive
[20:12] <zos> flash drive ?
[20:12] <gp_is_back> umar: we have traced you 119.153.60.28  	PK  	Pakistan  	08  	Islamabad  	Islamabad  	 	33.7000  	73.1667 if dont follow rules you might face consequenses
[20:12] <Mamarok> gp_is_back: behave!
[20:12] <umar> hmmm other driver like  d or e
[20:12] <umar> yes iam from islamabad
[20:13] <Mamarok> umar: don't mind, he is just a troll
[20:13] <umar> mamarok can u help me out i know u can do
[20:14] <Mamarok> gp_will_be_back: stop bother people here, next time I ban you!
[20:14] <gp_will_be_back> relax man
[20:14] <Mamarok> umar: what drive are you talking about and which version of Kubuntu are you using?
[20:15] <umar> My heard disk other driver when i click to open but its gaving me error the error is Cannot Mount Volume or unable to mount volume
[20:15] <umar> Same ubuntu 8.04
[20:15] <zos> tpye in at the command prompt : mount
[20:16] <Mamarok> umar: please check with zos, a bit busy right now
[20:16] <umar> then
[20:16] <umar> ok thanks Mamarok
[20:16] <zos> what's the output?
[20:16] <umar> can u tell me zos
[20:17] <zos> of the command
[20:17] <umar> hmmmm can u tell me where i paste to tell u
[20:17] <umar> then u ill se from there
[20:17] <gp_will_be_back> !pastebin
[20:17] <umar> yes
[20:18] <zos> which drive are you trying to mount?
[20:18] <zos> USB stick
[20:18] <umar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/186839/
[20:18] <zos> perhaps
[20:19] <umar> no my heard drive
[20:19] <umar> not usb
[20:19] <umar> bcoz other format driver is ntfs
[20:20] <gp_will_be_back> right click on task bar ->add widget -> device notifier
[20:20] <umar> ok
[20:20]  * ToreadorVampire should cross-reference gp_will_be_back's IP address with a certain chatter he knows on another network ... the behaviour is so very similar
[20:21] <zos> you
[20:21] <gp_will_be_back> ToreadorVampire:  ?
[20:21] <zos> are trying to mount a NTFS partition?
[20:21] <umar> see http://paste.ubuntu.com/186843/
[20:21] <umar> yes NTFS
[20:22] <ToreadorVampire> gp_will_be_back> Oh, an aussie I know that goes by the nick "Sutekh" over there ... but he's not a techie so you can't possibly be the same person
[20:23] <ToreadorVampire> Anyway, gotta finish this TestFixture!
[20:23] <gp_will_be_back> best of luck
[20:23] <zos> mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt
[20:24] <Nerdz> Mamarok, I wasnt able to get it to work..so Im out of ideas
[20:24] <umar> ok
[20:24] <gp_will_be_back> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt
[20:24] <Nerdz> I'll just draw up what I needed to scan in oOo anyway
[20:24] <zos> or sudo -s
[20:24] <zos> before to get into root shell
[20:24] <ToreadorVampire> Nerdz> omw - that
[20:24] <ToreadorVampire> 's a shame :(
[20:25] <ToreadorVampire> I was hoping that "whatever fixed it for you" would fix my problems with SANE and Jaunty
[20:25] <umar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/186845/ see
[20:25] <Nerdz> Yea, Theres something different between K 8.04 and 9.04
[20:25] <Mamarok> genii: gp_will_be_back one person giving support is enough I think... let zos handle that
[20:25] <Mamarok> one nick too many...
[20:25] <gp_will_be_back> !rules
[20:25] <Mamarok> gp_will_be_back one person giving support is enough I think... let zos handle that
[20:25] <Mamarok> gp_will_be_back: you behave or you get a ban!
[20:26] <gp_will_be_back> ok try it
[20:26] <zos> you have to prepend it with sudo of course
[20:26] <umar> i type sudo -s its asking for rute
[20:26] <ToreadorVampire> Nerdz> SANE Worked perfectly on Hardy, first-time - detected my network scanner just fine and all was good.  I still haven't managed to make it work on Jaunty
[20:27] <umar> root
[20:27] <umar> i mean root
[20:27] <zos> enter sudo -s alone
[20:27] <ToreadorVampire> And whilst I'm happy to spend some time trying to fix it - I have to balance the time I spend between the time it takes me to reboot into my Hardy installation and just scan it hehe
[20:28] <susbwoy> Hi, how am i able to tell xterm to open up in my home directory and not in ~/Documents?
[20:28] <umar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/186855/  see
[20:28] <zos> now enter mount
[20:29] <umar> what mount ?
[20:29] <umar> i dont understand
[20:29] <zos> mount command
[20:29] <zos> to display all mounted filesystems
[20:30] <umar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/186856/ see
[20:30] <gp_will_be_back> yawn
[20:30] <jussi01> gp_will_be_back: no need for that.
[20:31] <zos> try: cd /media/GAMES AND MOVIES
[20:31] <zos> ls
[20:31] <umar> ok
[20:31] <jussi01> youll need escape characters there...
[20:31] <zos> is that what you are looking for?
[20:32] <jussi01> cd /media/GAMES\ AND\ MOVIES
[20:32] <jussi01> ;)
[20:32] <umar> but GAMES AND MOVIES driver is open other drives is not open
[20:32] <umar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/186859/ see
[20:32] <jussi01> umar: try how I said ;)
[20:33] <umar> hmmmmmm what happn to ZOS
[20:33] <zos> type cd media then hit tab until go get your GAMES AND MOVIES printed
[20:34] <zos> jussi0 suggested the sam thing
[20:34] <jussi01> zos: make sure you are concise or it doesnt work. alsoe, remember you can use tab to complete nicknames in here ;)
[20:35] <umar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/186862/ see
[20:35] <zos> cd /media
[20:35] <jussi01> umar: cd /media/GAMES\ AND\ MOVIES
[20:35] <umar> well MY  GAMES AND MOVIES Driver is open
[20:36] <umar> its not gaving error  other partshion is not open
[20:36] <zos> thanks jussi01 for the hints
[20:37] <zos> can you now access your files?
[20:38] <umar> well  this parteshion is all ready open i have problem  in other  parteshion
[20:38] <umar> other drivers gaving me error
[20:38] <Mamarok> umar: then please tell us what partition you are talking about
[20:38] <zos> is it on the same HDD?
[20:39] <umar> well can i send u screen shot some where
[20:39] <umar> NO in my pc 2 HDD
[20:40] <gp_will_be_back> Mamarok: one person giving support is enough I think... let zos handle that
[20:40] <umar> Well i have 2 HDD IN MY PC
[20:40] <umar> ONE IS SDA AND OTHER IS ID
[20:41] <Mamarok> umar: please do not shout, you are using capital letters...
[20:41] <umar> IAm using 5 NTFS parteshion one parteshion is working and othe 4 is not working
[20:41] <umar> ok
[20:41] <umar> ok
[20:42] <zos> the other HDD I guess should be sdb
[20:42] <umar> well in 1 driver 500 gp data and other driver 300gp data i dont wana lose it
[20:42] <zos> type fdisk -l
[20:43] <umar> ok
[20:44] <umar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/186869/ see
[20:44] <zos> /dev/hdc2            1276       38912   302319202+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[20:45] <zos> is the partition you're trying to access?
[20:46] <zos> you can try to mount it with the following: mount -t auto /dev/hdc2 /mnt
[20:46] <umar> hmmmmmmm well there is 2 drive is open 1 is where install ubuntu and other is GAMES AND MOVIES
[20:46] <zos> all under a root shell
[20:47] <umar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/186874/ see
[20:48] <zos> it seems auto detection doesn't work
[20:48] <ToreadorVampire> (bringing this out of PM sinc it's relevant to the channel's interests) <Mamarok> like Quassel allows you to use a remote core to be connected all the time « Really?!
[20:48] <umar> then
[20:49] <ToreadorVampire> Does Quassel have a 'headless' component?  Something I could drop on a GUI-less debian server?
[20:49] <umar> did i reinstall ubuntu  to fix the problem
[20:50] <zos> no I don't think this is necessary
[20:50] <Mamarok> ToreadorVampire: I have never used it, I have Irssi running in a screen session
[20:50] <umar> i mean re install  c  file system to  ubuntu to fix problem
[20:51] <Mamarok> ToreadorVampire: but I guess yes, maybe ask in #quassel
[20:51] <ToreadorVampire> Mamarok> Yeah, that's what a lot of people seem to do - can Quassel 'attach' to irssi like that?
[20:51] <ToreadorVampire> Oh?  Quassel has its own channel eh?
[20:51] <zos> have you ever mounted this partition under Ubuntu
[20:51] <Mamarok> I don't use Quassel
[20:51] <jussi01> ToreadorVampire: quassel has the core
[20:51] <harjot> genii: are u theere????\
[20:51] <Mamarok> but the devs use either Quassel with a core or Irssi in a screen session
[20:51] <jussi01> ToreadorVampire: which is headless as such, then you connect to it with the client
[20:52]  * jussi01 is a qussel user - with a core
[20:52] <Mamarok> yeah, jussi01 has many people 'lingering in his closet' :)
[20:52] <umar> well me before using window xp then i install ubuntu in one  partition and then all other drives other its 1st time iam see it
[20:52] <jussi01> *g*
[20:53] <Mamarok> harjot: just ask, if somebody can help, you will get an answer
[20:53] <umar> well me before using window xp then i install ubuntu in one  partition and then all other drives are working  its 1st time iam see it
[20:54] <umar> facing umount problem
[20:55] <harjot> ok i have an apt problem : none of my stuff downloads because i had accidently installed some packages from THE INTRPID repository and now cant updatte or install
[20:55] <zos> try: mount -t fat /dev/hdc2 /mnt
[20:55] <Mamarok> harjot: you are currently on Jaunty?
[20:55] <harjot> the intrepid packages are only affecting the rest because they are a version ahead that cannot and willnot be used
[20:55] <zos> although I guess it won't work either, since autodetection has failed
[20:55] <harjot> 80.04
[20:55] <harjot> hardy
[20:56] <umar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/186894/ see
[20:56] <Mamarok> harjot: ok, then edit the sources.list and change the Intrepid stuff back to hardy
[20:56] <acevedo> hola  algun español
[20:56] <harjot> done but i may now have intrepid packGES ON my system
[20:57] <harjot> which is ahead of the dependencies that are reuired so i t  will not download
[20:57] <harjot> because the packages are TOO UPTODATE
[20:58] <umar> then what i do
[20:58] <Mamarok> !es | acevedo
[20:58] <Mamarok> harjot: that's unfortunate, indeed, which repository is affected?
[20:59] <zos> try mount -t vfat /dev/hdc2 /mnt
[20:59] <acevedo> gracias Mamarok
[20:59] <umar> ok
[20:59] <harjot> ??/???? my hardy pc has now inrpid pacakges for the dependencies
[21:00] <harjot> so it wont install cause the packages are too far ahead
[21:00] <gp_is_now_back> hi
[21:00] <Mamarok> harjot: no need to overdue the signs, just answer my question
[21:00] <umar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/186898/ seee
[21:01] <harjot> i dsont get what u mean???
[21:01] <zos>  dmesg | tail
[21:01] <Mamarok> harjot: you said that you accidentally set some repositories to Intrepid instead of Hardy, my question si which repositories did you change?
[21:02] <umar> what
[21:02] <umar> ?
[21:02] <Mamarok> harjot: put the sources.list in a pastebin and send me the link
[21:02] <harjot> noo  i had an exrta line in my apt but now i removed that
[21:03] <zos> execute dmesg | tail
[21:03] <umar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/186901/     copy the line paste that url in to adress bar and see the photot to under stand
[21:03] <Kasm279> is there any sort of defrag utility for kubuntu?
[21:04] <gp_is_now_back> fsck
[21:04] <Mamarok> Kasm279: no need to defrag, an ext filesystem
[21:04] <genii> gp_is_now_back: Um, no
[21:04] <Kasm279> gp_is_now_back: i mean with a front end and everything, like (:O) windows's
[21:04] <umar> did u see the png screen short
[21:05] <harjot> ?
[21:05] <BluesKaj> !defrag | Kasm279
[21:05] <zos> yes
[21:05] <jussi01> !defrag | Kasm279
[21:05] <Mamarok> Kasm279: don't, you really don't need to defrag the Linux filesystem
[21:05] <genii> Kasm279: The filesystem in linux doesn't get files scattered across it like windows does
[21:05] <umar> then know u can under stand better
[21:05] <Kasm279> Mamarok: im not, its a CF card for my DS
[21:05] <gp_is_now_back> ext 3 is jouranling file sysytem
[21:05] <umar> what iam facing problem
[21:05] <Kasm279> genii: its a FAT file system
[21:06] <Kasm279> a CF card
[21:06] <genii> gp_is_now_back: fsck would be the linux equivelent of "chkdsk" not defrag
[21:06] <Mamarok> Kasm279: ok, now I understand, how big is that CF card?
[21:07] <genii> Kasm279: There aren't any "defrag windows disk from in linux" sort of apps, unfortunately
[21:07] <umar> did u under stand
[21:07] <umar> by see the photo
[21:07] <zos> the partition is named VIDEOS
[21:07] <zos> right?
[21:07] <Mamarok> zos: try keeping it concise...
[21:07] <umar> right
[21:07] <genii> harjot: If the problem is that you have apps from a later version of Ubuntu installed, you can force an earlier version within apt-get
[21:08] <Kasm279> Mamarok: 4GB, i cant get any 'brew running with it all fragmented
[21:08] <gp_is_now_back> hi Mamarok
[21:08] <umar> and other  drivers u can also see the name
[21:08] <harjot> i cant force apps it doesnt work
[21:08] <gp_is_now_back> Kasm279: : why dont u format it ext3 ->There is no online ext3 defragmentation tool that works on the filesystem level.
[21:09] <Kasm279> gp_is_now_back: IT FOR A DS, it cant read exzt3
[21:09] <Mamarok> Kasm279: don't do that, else your camer will not be able to read it
[21:09] <umar> zos are u there
[21:09] <Mamarok> gp_is_now_back: don't give silly advice, please!
[21:09] <Kasm279> Mamarok: its a NDS
[21:09] <genii> harjot: Like sudo apt-get install someappname=1.2.3.4_ubuntu_5            or so.
[21:09] <Kasm279> (nintendo DS)
[21:09] <tomsdale> haha - now I know why kubuntu crashed often. I never had a swap partition/file ....
[21:09] <zos> could you execute dmesg | tail
[21:09] <genii> harjot: Where "=1.2.3.4_ubuntu5" is the exact version
[21:09] <gp_is_now_back> Mamarok: : yawn
[21:09] <Mamarok> Kasm279: ok, still you need the fat filesystem
[21:10] <Kasm279> yeah
[21:10] <harjot> genii: i dont get the syntax???? I DO SUDO APT-GET INSTALL BLAHBLAH
[21:10] <umar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/186907/ seee
[21:10] <jussi01> gp_is_now_back: Ive given you a second chance, please use it wisely ;)
[21:10] <Mamarok> Kasm279: copying the stuff over to another partition, reformat the card and copy things back is the only thing you can do in Linux
[21:10] <gp_is_now_back> jussi01hahahahahahah
[21:10] <Kasm279> Mamarok: how do i format it?
[21:10] <Mamarok> harjot: please, do not shout
[21:11] <zos> this is neither a FAT nor NTFS filesystem
[21:11] <harjot> what is shouting>>>>> im guesing it means doing SDSA
[21:11] <umar> then
[21:11] <Kasm279> and also, Mamarok, i think ill just do it on my ,mom's comp
[21:11] <kaddi> harjot writing in capslockis considered shouting
[21:11] <Mamarok> Kasm279: you can use a partioning tool like fdisk or parted
[21:11] <umar> but its open  is xp
[21:11] <jussi01> !caps
[21:12] <umar> but its open  in xp
[21:12] <Kasm279> !lol
[21:12] <gp_is_now_back> Kasm279: try gparted
[21:12] <Kasm279> :\
[21:12] <harjot> ok
[21:12] <umar> then what ill do i dont wana lose my data
[21:12] <Kasm279> hey, kubuntu's new pkg manager sucks
[21:12] <umar> HUH tell me na plzzzzzzzzz
[21:12] <Kasm279> adept was MUCH better
[21:13] <harjot> genii: i got to eat be back later
[21:13] <BluesKaj> Kasm279, you can still DL and use adept
[21:13] <Kasm279> but Synaptics is the best
[21:13] <zos> can you boot into XP?
[21:13] <genii> harjot: OK. The explanation is not easy to explain in a short way, I'll try when you are back later
[21:13] <Mamarok> Kasm279: or use apt-get or patitude directly
[21:13] <Kasm279> BluesKaj: i have the xubuntu-desktop pkg installed, i just use the add/remove programs from it :D
[21:13] <Mamarok> aptitude* even
[21:14] <umar> yes  its working in Xp operating system
[21:14] <zos> then you won't lose any data
[21:14] <Kasm279> umar: what are you trying to do?
[21:14] <BluesKaj> apt/adept works fine ..theat packagekit thing isn't my style
[21:14] <umar> thats  is great
[21:15] <Kasm279> BluesKaj: agreed
[21:15] <umar> i wnaa use ubuntu what ill do
[21:15] <zos> have you ever got this partition mounted under KUbuntu?
[21:15] <Kasm279> the pakagekit just dosent work half of the time
[21:16] <Mamarok> Kasm279: ok, we all know that, no need to insist, it works far better in KDE 4.3 already
[21:18] <Kasm279> ok
[21:18] <Kasm279> !format
[21:18] <Kasm279> !thanks
[21:18] <Kasm279> XD
[21:20] <Kasm279> !quassel
[21:20] <Kasm279> !konversation
[21:20] <Kasm279> O.O
[21:20] <Kasm279> !me
[21:31] <blackmoon105> hi, i've run "kdesudo dolphin" and all kde crashed and kick me at login screen. http://pastebin.com/da33f7dd
[21:33] <swatto> Hi all, I have just installed kubuntu on a extended logical partiiton and it installed a default boot manager so i can also load windows vista - can i configure this boot manager in kubuntu?
[21:33] <Tm_T> !grub | swatto
[21:34] <swatto> thanks Tm_T - I will check the howto out, I havent lost it i just want to change the options around a bit
[21:35] <Tm_T> swatto: aye, hope it helps anyway (:)
[21:36] <swatto> Is there a widget for showing minimized windows?
[21:36] <Tm_T> swatto: you can set taskbar to show only minimised windows
[21:37] <swatto> ahh its ok i have found it, it is task manager widget
[21:37] <swatto> ive removed the taskbar altogether you see and im using lancelot
[21:37] <Tm_T> roger
[21:38] <Tm_T> swatto: ah, right, task manager is the name of widget I meant (:
[21:40]  * Kasm|away is away: Gone away for now
[21:49]  * Kasm279 is back
[21:53]  * Kasm|away is away: Gone away for now
[22:02]  * Kasm279 is back
[22:05] <Mamarok> !away > Kasm279
[22:05] <Kasm279> ok
[22:06] <Kasm279> sorry about that
[22:06] <Mamarok> thanks :)
[22:06] <Kasm279> i had auto-away on
[22:06] <Kasm279> i turned it off and i wont do /away here
[22:06] <Kasm279> !away
[22:06] <Mamarok> Kasm279: hm, that should be disabled by default, it just causes unnecessary scrolling
[22:07] <Kasm279> i turned it on
[22:07] <Mamarok> Kasm279: doing /away "reason" manually doesn't cause scrolling at all, the autoaway messages do
[22:08] <Kasm279> no, if i do /away it still does that
[22:08] <Kasm279> im on konversation
[22:19] <davidkali> i like kubuntu
[22:19] <jussi01> good :)
[22:20] <davidkali> karmic koala baby
[22:20] <DasKreecH> KKK!
[22:23] <TheGrammarFreak> Everything on my screen is slightly blurry, I'm not sure if it's hardware or software. I only really noticed it when I started to use Compiz Fusion. Also, how do you change the default text from monospace?
[22:26] <Mamarok> DasKreecH: that was not exactly funny...
[22:27] <DasKreecH> Mamarok: I just noticed it awhile  ago
[22:27] <Mamarok> TheGrammarFreak: systemsettings -> Desktop for the Desktop effects: try changing the individual settings
[22:28] <Mamarok> TheGrammarFreak: systemsettings ->Appearance for the fonts, Ideal is a Sans Serif with Monospace only for the fixed width
[22:28] <TheGrammarFreak> Doesn't that change Kwin settings
[22:28] <TheGrammarFreak> ?
[22:28] <TheGrammarFreak> I use Compiz
[22:29] <Mamarok> TheGrammarFreak: hm, that's one of the reasons I don't use compiz...
[22:29] <TheGrammarFreak> Well, I prefer some of the key bindings, and I use some polugins a lot that don't exist in Kwin
[22:30] <DasKreecH> TheGrammarFreak: Which ones?
[22:30] <TheGrammarFreak> Expo, tabbing, key bindiongs for the cube,
[22:30] <TheGrammarFreak> err...
[22:30] <TheGrammarFreak> Ring switcher
[22:30] <DasKreecH> Expo exists
[22:30] <DasKreecH> I don't know about the rest
[22:30] <DasKreecH> Tabbed is coming I think
[22:30] <TheGrammarFreak> Oh yeah, there is an expo
[22:30] <TheGrammarFreak> Sorry
[22:31] <DasKreecH> Not sure waht key bindings for teh cube means
[22:31] <TheGrammarFreak> I stand corrected
[22:31] <DasKreecH> Ugh tired
[22:31] <TheGrammarFreak> Control, alt mousclick
[22:31] <TheGrammarFreak> I couldn't do the same with Kwin
[22:31] <DasKreecH> Oh grabbing the cube?
[22:31] <TheGrammarFreak> Ye
[22:31] <DasKreecH> I don't know I don't really like the cube myself so I don't follow it
[22:32] <DasKreecH> not sure if that's possible
[22:32] <Mamarok> hm, there'a cube too and the rest is work in progress
[22:32] <drbobb> hi there, I am trying to install packages of moovida from the ppa, but ran into some problems even though I followed the instructions
[22:32] <DasKreecH> Ring switcher is probably pretty easy
[22:32] <DasKreecH> If it doesn't exist already
[22:32] <Mamarok> and compiz is not supported on Jaunty anymore AFAIK
[22:33] <DasKreecH> Mamarok: It has to be.
[22:33] <drbobb> I added the repo in synaptic and imported the key, but the packages still don't show up
[22:33] <DasKreecH> It ships with Ubuntu by default
[22:33] <TheGrammarFreak> I'm usiong it, from official reposotories
[22:33] <DasKreecH> drbobb: You reloaded ?
[22:33] <drbobb> DasKreecH: yep, twice
[22:34] <Mamarok> DasKreecH: well, Kwin is the default compositing manger for KDE
[22:34] <DasKreecH> drbobb: what package ?
[22:34] <DasKreecH> Mamarok: Yeah but default and supported are different things
[22:34] <drbobb> https://launchpad.net/~moovida-packagers/+archive/ppa
[22:34] <Mamarok> drbobb: did you add the gpg key?
[22:34] <DasKreecH> You can choose compiz as the winidow manager in default applications
[22:34] <drbobb> Mamarok: yep I did
[22:34] <DasKreecH> GPG key shouldn't stop them from showing up
[22:34] <TheGrammarFreak> Kwin is the best default window manager around, but I just prefer compiz
[22:35] <drbobb> and searching for moovida in synaptic yields 0 matches
[22:35] <DasKreecH> Maybe wrote it wrong in the sources.list ?
[22:35] <drbobb> DasKreecH: wouldn't that produce an error upon refreshing?
[22:35] <DasKreecH> TheGrammarFreak: Well Compiz isn't the default window manager for anything so those can both be equally true :)
[22:35] <DasKreecH> drbobb: Still wouldn't stop them from turning up
[22:36] <TheGrammarFreak> DasKreecH, Indeed
[22:36] <DasKreecH> drbobb: A warning not an error
[22:36] <swatto> Is it possible to change the graphical display when logging into kde
[22:36] <Mamarok> drbobb: the PPA say 0 packages built...
[22:36] <drbobb> well there was no warning either
[22:36] <DasKreecH> ah godo catch :)
[22:36] <TheGrammarFreak> I will keep trying with the blur
[22:36] <TheGrammarFreak> Cheers
[22:36] <DasKreecH> drbobb: The PPA is being populated it seems
[22:36] <drbobb> Mamarok: huh? OTOH there is a list of packages there
[22:37] <drbobb> just a minute...
[22:38] <drbobb> hey that's weird - aptitude search moovida finds the packages
[22:38] <drbobb> and synaptic doesn't
[22:38] <Mamarok> drbobb: where did you expect them to show up?
[22:39] <drbobb> Mamarok: typing moovida into the quick search widget
[22:39] <Mamarok> synaptic didn't show them as "new in the repositories"?
[22:39] <drbobb> nope it didn't
[22:39] <Mamarok> drbobb: the quick search only works for the current display, so if you are not in the all packages view you can't see any
[22:40] <Mamarok> use the search button instead
[22:40] <drbobb> Mamarok: I was in the all packages view, double checked that
[22:40] <drbobb> and I did try the search button too
[22:40] <Mamarok> the serach button is more reliable than quick search, I use the button for general serach, then narrow down with quick search
[22:41] <drbobb> actually I scanned through all the views and still found nothing
[22:41] <Mamarok> drbobb: tried origin -> ppa?
[22:41] <drbobb> yeah
[22:41] <Mamarok> drbobb: just tried here, works fine :)
[22:41] <Mamarok> in synaptic that is
[22:41] <drbobb> I said it was weird
[22:42] <Mamarok> drbobb: what is moovida exactly?
[22:42] <drbobb> still doesn't work for me
[22:42] <drbobb> Mamarok: some overgrown media player
[22:43] <Mamarok> hm, just found the website...
[22:45] <drbobb> hmm aptitude warns me the packages are unsigned, even though i did import the key
[22:45] <Mamarok> drbobb: added to your keyring?
[22:45] <Mamarok> the PPA generates the key automatically, so if it's in your keyring it should work
[22:46] <Mamarok> did you do an aptitude update before?
[22:46] <drbobb> yeah I know it should
[22:46] <drbobb> not sure whether I did update after adding the key
[22:47] <drbobb> I did do update in synaptic though
[22:47] <drbobb> yeah after updating I still get the warning
[22:48] <drbobb> seems I broke something or what
[22:50] <drbobb> moovida looks pretty slick but it probably won't work too well on my laptop anyway
[22:51] <drbobb> still wanted to try it out though
[22:53] <drbobb> yeah apt-key list says I do have the moovida launchpad key in my keyring
[22:56] <drbobb> but aptitude still insists the packages are unsigned
[22:56] <Mamarok> drbobb: aren't there any Elisa packages around?
[22:56] <Mamarok> it's just a rebrand of Elisa, no?
[22:57] <drbobb> Mamarok: well maybe, I've never used elisa
[22:57] <Mamarok> drbobb: it is a rebrand, was still named Elisa only a few weeks ago
[22:58] <drbobb> Mamarok: doesn't make much difference to me
[22:58] <drbobb> what I'm worried about is the package system playing funny tricks
[23:00] <drbobb> is synaptic supposed to hide unauthenticated packages?
[23:01] <Mamarok> drbobb: no, it doesn't
[23:01] <Mamarok> you can't just install those
[23:01] <drbobb> then I have no idea what's going on
[23:02] <Mamarok> drbobb: you can always install them with sudo apt-get and have to override the warning, but try adding the key again, maybe just a typo somewhere
[23:05] <drbobb> I added it from the keyserver, with apt-key adv --recv-keys
[23:05] <drbobb> no chance of a typo
[23:05] <DasKreecH> drbobb: That's the way to go :)
[23:06] <drbobb> DasKreecH: so? didn't work for me this time
[23:07] <Mamarok> hm, I used gpg in konsole to download and export it to apt-key, that worked fine here
[23:08] <drbobb> yeah I said it is in my keyring according to apt-key, but the packages are still reported as unsigned
[23:09] <wasim_> them your mtf
[23:10] <Mamarok> wasim_: do you have a question?
[23:11] <drbobb> well crap it's getting late, I'll try some other time
[23:13] <wasim_> yeah your f
[23:20] <wizardslovak> is there way i can get files from my phone over bluetooth in kubuntu
[23:20] <dennister> need some cups help fast! please! was working well this morning, but now it just prints gobbley-gook
[23:20] <wizardslovak> only think i see is send file
[23:20] <dennister> restarting cupsys doesn't help, turning it off doesn't help, rebooting doesn't help...
[23:24] <skafti> sound prob with browser can someone help me
[23:24] <skafti> the second day of trying to solve this
[23:38] <DasKreecH> skafti: Which browser? how are you playing sound?
[23:38] <dennister> DasKreecH: hey! am i glad to see you! :-)
[23:38] <DasKreecH> I'm glad to see me too!
[23:39] <dennister> open office is giving me a huge pain, only printing gobbleygook, heheheh
[23:39] <dennister> and i gotta print this and get outa here
[23:40] <skafti> i tryed conqeror mozilla and Ephipary and just trying to use exp. youtube
[23:40] <dennister> DasKreecH: would u have a minute to help with this?
[23:44] <skafti> i
[23:45] <skafti> i have noticed that volume indicator on the desktop panel shows 0% but i cant seem to alternat it but anyways i can listen to amarok for exp.
[23:46] <Barridus> anyone got any links on stuff that's commonly uninstalled to think kubuntu out for lower spec systems?
[23:47] <Hydrant> does anyone have rsh working on kubuntu?  Looks like lots of people have had problems getting it working
[23:50] <DasKreecH> dennister: can anything else print?
[23:50] <DasKreecH> skafti: try purging the Flashplugin closing all browsers and reinstalling it
[23:51] <skafti> tryed that yesterday
[23:51] <skafti> did not work
[23:52] <skafti> i was all day googling for the problem and 2 guys here tryed several solutions nothing worked
[23:52] <dennister> DasKreecH: yes...takin friggin long time to screenshot, paste, export to pdf, print
[23:53] <dennister> problem iwth with oo