[00:03] <ign0ramus> skafti, you are having problems with sound?
[00:07] <LuisJa> sry but where r all the archives of all the installed programs in linux?
[00:07] <LuisJa> in what folder?
[00:08] <LuisJa> ???
[00:08] <LuisJa> hello
[00:09] <ign0ramus> LuisJa, did you check /var/cache/apt ?
[00:09] <LuisJa> i mean, how i can acces there
[00:09] <LuisJa> is like if the folder is invisible
[00:09] <LuisJa> i dont know where it is
[00:10] <ign0ramus> LuisJa, from terminal or gui?
[00:10] <LuisJa> dolphin
[00:10] <ign0ramus> LuisJa, show hidden files
[00:10] <LuisJa> ?
[00:10] <ign0ramus> LuisJa, in dolphin press Alt+.
[00:11] <ign0ramus> LuisJa, or View > Show Hidden Files
[00:11] <ign0ramus> LuisJa, from terminal, you can examine by "cd /var/cache/apt" and then doing "ls -o"
[00:12] <LuisJa> lol after puting show hindden files dolphin became full of folders lololol
[00:12] <LuisJa> thx dude
[00:12] <ign0ramus> LuisJa, you got it?
[00:12] <ign0ramus> LuisJa, cool :)
[00:19] <BluesKaj> !lol
[00:20] <lupine_85> !loi
[00:20] <lupine_85> fail :p
[00:41] <shayaknyc> hi all, i was hoping someone could help me with this...i'm migrating out of windows vista, where you can hold shift and right-click on an executable file or shortcut and then have it run as administrator...is there something similar in kubuntu where you can right-click an executable and have it run as kdesudo/sudo ?
[00:43] <shayaknyc> anyone?
[00:44] <ign0ramus> shayaknyc, afaik, not from right click menu, but you can always create a kdesudo shortcut or simply launch your app as superuser from terminal or krunner
[00:44] <shayaknyc> hmm....yeah, that's what I was hoping was not the answer :(
[00:44] <shayaknyc> thanks
[00:44] <master> hi
[00:44] <ign0ramus> shayaknyc, np.  what apps do you need to run as superuser so often?
[00:45] <master> Hi all appologies ...i couldnt find myself how are we
[00:45] <ign0ramus> !hi
[00:46] <master> thanks
[00:48] <LuisJa> there is not a plugin for amsn than makes the commands of windows live messenger nicks to look like they r? hipothetical example: in windows messenger, 2/r = nick, in amsn it appears as only 2/r
[00:48] <LuisJa> blue nick*
[00:49] <LuisJa> no 1???
[00:51] <LuisJa> ...
[01:02] <LuisJa> there is not a plugin for amsn than makes the commands of windows live messenger commandos to work in amsn? hipothetical example: in windows messenger, 2/r = nick, in amsn it appears as only 2/r
[01:02] <LuisJa> blue nick*
[01:02] <etfb> The package "pm-utils" just came up in my auto-update.  I went and followed links.  The Ubuntu version is 0.99, but the oldest one on the pm-utils GIT repository is 1.1.2.4, and that's a year old.  The one that Ubuntu is pushing out now must be two years old or more!  Why is it only showing up now?
[01:03] <ign0ramus> etfb, because some ubuntu packages are outdated...
[01:03] <ign0ramus> etfb, see OOo for example
[01:04] <etfb> ign0ramus: "Why are some Ubuntu packages outdated?" "Because some Ubuntu packages are outdated."  OK, yes, I see you understand the problem... but why does the problem exist?
[01:04] <etfb> ign0ramus: And really - two years?  That's a bit absurd, even for good old "let's be completely sure before we release" Debian-based distros.
[01:04] <ign0ramus> etfb, that's a question for the upstream. sometimes for stability purposes, sometimes, who knows
[01:05] <etfb> ign0ramus: Upstream = Debian, you mean?
[01:05] <ign0ramus> etfb, why are there tons of unfinished kde4 apps bundled in kubuntu?  ask the devs.
[01:05] <etfb> ign0ramus: So can I just get the latest package direct from the git repository and install it?  Or will there be random incompatibilities?
[01:06] <ign0ramus> etfb, depends on the app and your installed dependcies.  that's not a 'yes' or 'no' question.
[01:06] <matthew_> Would anyone mind helping me convert a .batch file? =)
[01:06] <matthew_> converting*
[01:06] <etfb> ign0ramus: Thought so.  Bloody hell.
[01:06] <ign0ramus> etfb, can you get stuff from git and svn? sure. will it compile straight away? you don't know until you try. :)
[01:07] <etfb> I suppose it would be worse if I were using 8.04, codenamed Icrosoft Ista...
[01:07] <etfb> Sticking with Hardy until I hear some news that's not bad...
[01:07] <etfb> matthew: What kind of batch file?  MS-DOS?
[01:07] <ign0ramus> etfb, it depends on your outlook, i suppose.
[01:08] <etfb> ign0ramus: My outlook is that I use this computer for serious work.  So letting a bunch of hacks give me non-functional code and call it an upgrade... that's not on.
[01:09] <ign0ramus> etfb, KDE 4 is widely regarded as a "work in progress". If you need to do 'serious work', then something stable and mature is probably the safe bet.
[01:10] <etfb> ign0ramus: Yep, that's the reasoning I use.  The fact that they released this "work in progress" as their default system _and then made it impossible to replace it with a working windowing system_ is a symptom of a serious malaise in the Ubuntu/Canonical mindset.
[01:11] <etfb> That, or they assume all their users keep Windows for real work and just use Linux as a toy.
[01:11] <ign0ramus> etfb, and that is why older versions are still supported and updated.
[01:12] <etfb> ign0ramus: "The 2009 model Toyota Camry will explode into flames if you drive it faster than 50km/h, but that's OK because we still sell the 2008 model."
[01:12] <ign0ramus> etfb, pretty poor analogy, but if you honestly feel that way, buy a Honda
[01:14] <etfb> ign0ramus: Sorry you don't like the analogy.  Its startling congruence to reality is what appeals to me.  Kubuntu 8.10 and 9.04 versions are unacceptably poor quality.  I am unmoved by anecdotes suggesating that it's acceptable to people who treat Linux as a toy.
[01:14] <ActionParsnip> etfb: the OS comes with zero warranty and zero SLA, so even if its an official release it could be problematic
[01:15] <ActionParsnip> etfb: if it breaks, you get both parts
[01:16] <etfb> ActionParsnip: Well, as long as you promise never to tell anyone that they can rely on Ubuntu, then that's OK.  Otherwise there's a serious disconnect between the cheques your mouth is writing and the ones your arse is willing to cash.
[01:16] <bazhang> !ot
[01:16] <bazhang> please chat in #kubuntu-offtopic
[01:16] <etfb> bazhang: If there's a topic MORE on-topic for #kubuntu than the unreliability of KDE4-based releases, I'd like to know what it is.
[01:16] <ign0ramus> etfb, is there a particular issue you would like troubleshot, or did you join with soapbox in hand?
[01:17] <ActionParsnip> etfb: this fact is all over the OS dude, but as bazhang says, its offtopic here
[01:17] <etfb> ign0ramus: Only the one I asked about: the age of a "recent" release.  But there's no point; I've got work to do.  Bye all; happy hacking.
[01:17] <ActionParsnip> etfb: this is a support channel for the OS itself ONLY
[01:17] <bazhang> etfb, this is a support channel. if you have a particular Support issue, then please ask
[01:17] <ActionParsnip> what a clown shows
[01:17] <ign0ramus> word
[01:17] <ActionParsnip> *shoes
[01:20] <ign0ramus> funny thing is, the app he was complaining about is "pm-utils_1.2.2.4", which is the version he found in git...
[01:20] <ign0ramus> same version in updated repos
[01:27] <ign0ramus> so i finally found a good mencoder command string that converts video that plays nicely on the Creative Zen mp3 player... how can turn this into a script to run, where source files vary, and where output filenames must be unique?
[01:30] <lovre> sorry for offtopic question... i have a question about desktop application programming. What is the best language / tool for rapid application development under linux, that is also crossplatform? I need something that makes it easy to make graphic user interfaces?
[01:30] <bazhang> lovre, #kubuntu-offtopic or ##linux could answer that better
[01:30] <lovre> bazhang: ok, thanx
[01:31] <bazhang> !info python
[01:37] <gabriel> hello everybody
[01:38] <gabriel> anyone know how ti use usb-creator correctly in Kubuntu?
[01:38] <gabriel> import gnomevfs
[01:38] <gabriel> ImportError: No module named gnomevfs
[01:38] <gabriel>  is the error I get.
[01:39] <emilio> hello
[01:41] <gabriel> hello
[01:42] <gabriel> can you see me now?
[01:43] <DasKreecH> gabriel: Yes
[01:43] <DasKreecH> emilio: Hii
[01:46] <v6lur> what to do if kill -KILL doesn't kill the PID given?!
[01:46] <v6lur> even as root
[01:46] <v6lur> it's a windows program running through wine, and it's consuming all the cpu time
[01:47] <v6lur> top shows it as "R", so it shouldn't be zombie
[01:49] <ign0ramus> v6lur, does killing 'wine' or 'wineserver' kill it?
[02:33] <ign0ramus> ok guys, i've found a script and modified it for my purposes and it works well (converts video to a format for Creative Zen mp3 player)... but the script can't parse Inputs with spaces.  How do i solve this? Script --> http://paste.ubuntu.com/187065/
[02:44] <ajavid> does 9.04 have kde3 at all?
[02:45] <faileas> there's a re,ix
[02:46] <faileas> remix
[02:46] <faileas> http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/cdimages/
[02:47] <ajavid> thanks
[02:47] <ajavid> is it stable?
[02:48] <ajavid> I need to install kubuntu but I have my 1tb /home as ext4. I'd like to use the LTS ubuntu stable + kde3 + 2.6.28+(for ext4 support) and I have a rt26 wifi
[02:48] <ajavid> please advice the best possible solution
[02:49] <DasKreecH> ajavid: faileas just gave you where you start from
[02:50] <faileas> ajavid: its effectively the current one. i think he also has kde3 repos, in which case, you can start from minimal, and install kde3 seperately if you just want that
[02:51] <dennister> ok, i'm back.. .my presentation was printing fine this morning, but then oo crashed and now all it prints is gobbleygook...other apps print fine...can someone please help me sort this out?
[02:51] <dennister> and yes, i've tried openoffice.org channel...it's dead\
[02:54] <ajavid> is this supported by kubuntu?
[02:54] <ajavid> is the remix supported?
[02:54] <faileas> its not official
[02:55] <DasKreecH> dennister: Wait it was working?
[02:55] <DasKreecH> dennister: did you try moving your ~/.openoffice.org directory to a new name?
[02:55] <DasKreecH> ajavid: Not supported by canonical but fairly supported here
[02:56] <dennister> DasKreecH: not open office, nope...no I didn't try that...could i simply do that, temporarily move it to trash or something?
[02:56] <ep> I just installed qt4 on Jaunty and "qmake -version"  from  konsole gives Qmake version: 1.07a (Qt 3.3.8b).  Opps.  It installed but didn't set the path in ~/.bashrc or wherever appropiate.  Is this a bug?  How do I fix this properly?
[03:01] <DasKreecH> dennister: Just rename it
[03:01] <DasKreecH> close OO.o rename it then open it back up
[03:03] <dennister> DasKreecH: too late, moved it like u suggested, opened oo, tried printing, still gobbleygook
[03:04] <DasKreecH> dennister: Umm ok try purge it then
[03:05] <ajavid> KDE3.5 can be installed alongside KDE4.x with no problems. KDE3.5 automatically detects and adjusts for KDE4.x programs, so that users can easily run KDE4 applications from within the KDE3.5 environment.
[03:05] <ajavid> awesome
[03:05] <dennister> DasKreecH: purge whole app?
[03:05] <DasKreecH> Yes
[03:05] <dennister> okie doke
[03:05] <ajavid> I also wonder
[03:06] <ajavid> kde3.5 in jaunty is supported in the sense that it willr ecieve udates/fixes/security stuff
[03:06] <ajavid> ?
[03:06] <ajavid> or is it only supported by community on how to use it?
[03:06] <DasKreecH> As much as possible it will get updates fixes etc as they happen
[03:07] <ajavid> how to get ext4 fs support in the 8.04 LTS
[03:07] <DasKreecH> ajavid: Compile your kernel
[03:08] <ajavid> is there no backported ones?
[03:08] <DasKreecH> actually now you can probably install the kernel deb
[03:08] <DasKreecH> I would guess it's not that hard
[03:08] <ajavid> 2.6.28+ has stable supoprt for ext4
[03:08] <ajavid> started with .26
[03:08] <DasKreecH>  then again compiling your own kernel isn't hard either
[03:08] <ajavid> I'm on debian sid for 8 years
[03:08] <ajavid> they stopped producing kde3
[03:08] <ajavid> :/
[03:09] <DasKreecH> ajavid: has to happen at some time
[03:09] <ajavid> ahhhhh boy, yes yes it had to hapen sometime
[03:09] <ajavid> but why not ;)
[03:09] <DasKreecH> Well doesn't have to. I guess anyone can keep coding on KDE3 as long as they want
[03:09] <ajavid> progress
[03:10] <ajavid> when 9.04 first came out i tried it out and it crashed all the time random apps kde4 was pretty unstable
[03:10] <ajavid> thas why i look for 3.5
[03:11] <ajavid> its not any better in debian unstable either
[03:11] <faileas> ajavid: why not use 9.04 with kde3?
[03:11] <ajavid> and they stopped making packets for kde3
[03:11] <ajavid> faileas, I'm just talking right now disuccing but I am doing this 9.04 remix kde3
[03:11] <ajavid> 56% down
[03:11] <faileas> ahh
[03:11] <faileas> k
[03:11] <DasKreecH> :-)
[03:12] <ep> Ah found the solution. How did we ever get along pre-Google?   In case anybody is interested I fixed the problem of installing qt4 from the repositories and not being able to run it.  Here's the fix: sudo update-alternatives --config qmake
[03:12] <DasKreecH> ep: grats :)
[03:13] <ajavid> 09:09 <            faileas> k
[03:13] <ajavid> 09:09 <          DasKreecH> :-)
[03:13] <ajavid> 09:09 <                 ep> Ah found the solution. How did we ever get along pre-Google?   In case anybody is interested I fixed the problem of installing qt4 from the repositories and not being able to run
[03:13] <ajavid>                             it.  Here's the fix: sudo update-alternatives --config qmake
[03:13] <ajavid> 09:10 <          DasKreecH> ep: grats :)
[03:13] <ajavid>  [L [Act: 2:#debian 3:##hardware 4:#kde 5:#music 6:##php 9:#debian 10:#debian-boot 11:##linux 12:#debian-mentors 13:#debian-devel 14:#zftalk 1
[03:13] <ajavid> uh oh
[03:13] <ajavid> sorry a mouse middle problem stuck
[03:13] <ajavid> finger
[03:14] <ajavid> uff
[03:14] <ajavid> stupid stupid
[03:15] <DasKreecH> ajavid: Forgiven
[03:15] <faileas> o0
[03:15] <faileas> lol
[03:15] <faileas> its supposed to warn ya ;p
[03:16] <ajavid> I have no warning
[03:16] <ajavid> took it off
[03:17] <ajavid> I should put it on again and stop using the ENTER button a lot I am going crazy ! argh.
[03:18] <faileas> lol
[03:18] <faileas> you should. the warning's there for a reason
[03:18] <ajavid> I am working on my website I paste a lot of codes in #flood
[03:18] <ajavid> and #paste
[03:19] <ajavid> http://www.atirjavid.com/Zend-Framework-Tutorials/Zend_Application/index.html I make a grey theme
[03:19] <ajavid> its nice
[03:20] <dennister> DasKreecH: purged and now being reinstalled
[03:20] <ajavid> how diff is ubuntu from debian?
[03:20] <ajavid> how do you derive ubuntu from debian?
[03:20] <DasKreecH> ajavid: very different while being very much the same
[03:21] <DasKreecH> Think of it as Debian with untested polish
[03:21] <ajavid> I see
[03:21] <ajavid> no wonder its a crash-o-rama
[03:22] <ajavid> thats why I was wondering to use the LTS
[03:22] <ajavid> its older so I would assume it has more stablity now due to patching
[03:23] <DasKreecH> thats the idea
[03:24] <ajavid> and it has kde3 of course, but older kernel no supoprt for ext4
[03:24] <ajavid> DasKreecH, you watch movies? have you seen the star trek movie 2009?
[03:24] <DasKreecH> not yet :-(
[03:25] <ajavid> its awesome! I'v enever seen star trek in my life before and i watch the movie
[03:25] <ajavid> i saw one time star trek in pakistan as a child the bald guy captian, profesor X
[03:25] <ajavid> you know?
[03:30] <dennister> DasKreecH: finally all purged and reinstalled...open my presentation and oo instantly crashes :( without fail
[03:30] <DasKreecH> >_<
[03:30] <DasKreecH> open it from the command line to see if ut gives you a error message
[03:32] <dennister> hold on...forgot to install oo.org-kde
[03:34] <Hx63> #ubuntu
[03:36] <genii> Hx63: eg: /join #ubuntu
[03:37] <Hx63> dont worry, just wanted to type it so i can right click it and join the channel
[03:37] <Hx63> thank you
[03:38] <faileas> thats lazy ;p
[03:48] <grey_> hallo
[03:48] <grey_> jemand da ??
[03:48] <genii> !hi
[03:51] <DasKreecH> !de
[03:53] <ralmar> Hey guys, quick question. Do i need to install Privoxy on ubuntu 9.04 in order to use TOR with firefox? The tutorial on the official ubuntu website tells you to install it but another tutorial I saw skips that step? Thanks
[03:53] <dwidmann> Okay, I've recently upgraded to Kubuntu 9.04 on my laptop, and graphics performance is quite lackluster now. I've got an Intel 965GM (according to /var/log/Xorg.conf), any fix?
[03:54] <dennister> DasKreecH: ok, adding oo-kde helped, not crashing immediately open loading presentation, still gave me gobbleygook at first print, restarted cupsys and printer again, now I've been waiting for over 8 minutes for one page to start printing, it never takes this long
[03:55] <DasKreecH> dwidmann: Check that you have all the updates intel did some madness with the Drivers this go around
[03:55] <sixofour> I have a 180GB Drive and aan * Gb drive...If i put Kubuntu on the 8GB and leave the other as NTFS....is that doable?
[03:56] <sixofour> 8GB*
[03:56] <sixofour> Maby make a 40GB ext3 partition
[03:56]  * sixofour is excited, a bug in wine was fixed and now he can use linux 100%
[03:57] <DasKreecH> sixofour: Yes
[03:57] <sixofour> But I still want to keep the xp drive as backup
[03:58] <sixofour> so kubuntu can read/write ntfs?
[03:58] <DasKreecH> Yes
[03:59] <sixofour> i should probably put the os /home on the 40gb drive
[04:00] <sixofour> and just not use the 8gb yet
[04:00] <sixofour> the 8gb is from 2001
[04:11] <Hx63> sixofour it so ridiculous right that some people need wine to get that 100 % . Its understandable.
[04:11] <Hx63> ^^
[04:15] <Hx63> Ok guys im having the following BIG issue. I have a laptop lenovo with graphics Intel mobile 4 series chipset integrated graphics controller. Kde 4.2.3 draw some bad distortion sometimes, very noticeable with kate and amarock, it happens with desktop effects on or off.. Any ideA? help? suggestion? or comment? will be greatly appreciated.
[04:15] <dwidmann> DasKreecH: okay, I just did my updates a bit ago, mayhap I should restart X?
[04:15] <dwidmann> oh, and what's that command to generate an xorg.conf based on what X autodetected?
[04:16] <DasKreecH> dwidmann: Sure log out and press alt+e on the login screen and login
[04:16] <DasKreecH> !xorg
[04:16] <dwidmann> DasKreecH: Yeah, I know perfectly well how to restart x :)
[04:17] <dwidmann> Definitely need to try to remember that one command though
[04:17] <dwidmann> sudo Xorg -configure
[04:17] <dwidmann> that's it
[04:18] <dwidmann> brb
[04:18] <gp_is_now_back> Mamarok: u still there ?
[04:19] <Hx63> Ok guys im having the following BIG issue. I have a laptop lenovo with graphics Intel mobile 4 series chipset integrated graphics controller. Kde 4.2.3 draw some bad distortion sometimes, very noticeable with kate and amarock, it happens with desktop effects on or off.. Any ideA? help? suggestion? or comment? will be greatly appreciated.
[04:20] <DasKreecH> dwidmann: You mean sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:20] <DasKreecH> hi gp_is_now_back
[04:21] <gp_is_now_back> hi
[04:34] <dwidmann> DasKreecH: anything else by chance? Performance is still definitely under par, albeit a bit better.
[04:34] <DasKreecH> Need to start doing Xorg conf tweaks
[04:35] <dwidmann> Any wiki regarding that?
[04:36] <DasKreecH> Unfortunately not it's kinda a black art
[04:36] <DasKreecH> With lots of three letter acronyms
[04:36] <DasKreecH> UXA and EXA and stuff I've never understood
[04:38] <dwidmann> DasKreecH: I figured that's what you were talking about, I'm just not clear on the details ... I've heard it definitely involves tradeoffs of performance vs stability and whatnot ...
[04:38] <DasKreecH> I don't get it :) but for those who want it it seems it works well
[04:38] <Guest20936> who's good at this ubuntu stuffs?
[04:39] <DasKreecH> Guest20936: Be a little more specific
[04:41] <Guest20936> Not sure how to install programs that aren't listed inthe synaptic package manager... Nexuiz just downloads a folder with a bunch of files in it.. The program runs well.. but there is no shortcut in the applications menu.. not sure how to get it there.. or where to properly store the nexuiz folder..
[04:43] <digdeep> Guest20936: if you want to creat a shortcut for Nexuiz, I think you need to manually create it on the applications menu
[04:44] <Guest20936> aight sweet, how do you do that?
[04:45] <digdeep> Guest20936: right click the "start button", then go to menu editor. Finally add a new item
[04:45] <DasKreecH> !nexuiz
[04:45] <DasKreecH> !info nexuiz
[04:46] <DasKreecH> Guest20936: It's in Synaptic
[04:46] <Guest20936> using gnu
[04:46] <Guest20936> it IS in synaptic.. just a couple versions old ;0)
[04:46] <DasKreecH> Ha ha :) ok finr
[04:47] <DasKreecH> Fine
[04:48] <Patches> does anyone else have problems with Nexuiz crashing?
[04:49] <digdeep> Guest20936: can you download nexuiz from the official website, and run it in kubuntu, rather than using Synaptic?
[04:50] <Guest20936> yea bigdeep, it doesn't come in a package though.. its an archived folder.. it'll run right out of the folder wherever you put it..
[04:50] <Guest20936> the website has a more recent version
[04:51] <digdeep> ok, then
[04:52] <DasKreecH> Guest20936: What's the version on the website?
[04:52] <Guest20936> 2.5.1 or something
[04:52] <Guest20936> nexuiz.com
[04:52] <DasKreecH> http://www.getdeb.net/release.php?id=4236
[04:52] <DasKreecH> try that
[04:54] <Blassla> Hi all
[04:54] <Blassla> some one from brazil
[04:54] <Blassla> i need some help
[04:54] <Blassla> aboute wi fi connection
[04:54] <ArkoldThos> what is wrong with it
[04:54] <Blassla> wep
[04:54] <Blassla> key
[04:54] <Blassla> i type and dont connect
[04:55] <Blassla> and i have only this connection
[04:55] <Blassla> i try to edit some things with some tutorials on net
[04:55] <Blassla> but nothing
[04:56] <DasKreecH> 9.04 ?
[04:56] <Blassla> yeah
[04:57] <Blassla> i used the ubuntu 9.04 with gnome
[04:57] <Blassla> and connect
[04:57] <Blassla> but i dont like gnome
[04:57] <Guest20936> gnome is ok I like it..
[04:57] <faileas> you can use the gnome network manager with with kde i think
[04:57] <Guest20936> mostly because it doen't look like windows ;0)
[04:58] <Blassla> and install kde over ubuntu has some problems!
[04:58] <Blassla> :D
[04:58] <Blassla> can i download this with windows?
[04:58] <Guest20936> I have the X and K installed here.. I've not had any issues
[04:58] <Blassla> Guest20936 with no problems?
[04:58] <Guest20936> no, I didnt have any issues
[04:59] <Guest20936> how does one change your nick here
[04:59] <Guest20936> ?
[05:00] <Guest20936> #nick KillGorack
[05:00] <KillGorack> ahh sweet
[05:00] <Blassla> alguem tem alguma solução?
[05:00] <Blassla> anyone have any solution?
[05:04] <DasKreecH> Blassla: Download what with Windows?
[05:04] <DasKreecH> !br
[05:04] <KillGorack> I think she is referring to a dual boot system?
[05:08] <Jiggers> here's a question for anyone, how do you delete desktop backgrounds that i've installed from the harddrive?
[05:09] <Jiggers> anyone?
[05:09] <KillGorack> delete or change?
[05:09] <Jiggers> delete
[05:09] <Jiggers> one that i uploaded from the hardrive
[05:09] <Jiggers> is there a way?
[05:09] <KillGorack> yea can you find the file? just delete it I think
[05:10] <Jiggers> okay, I want to keep the file, but i want to get it off of the backgrounds list
[05:10] <KillGorack> ahh.. not sure I'm sure you tried moving the file right?
[05:10] <Jiggers> no
[05:10] <Jiggers> I'll try that
[05:11] <KillGorack> also there is a remove button on the bottom of the apperance preferences dialogue box
[05:12] <Jiggers> moving it worked, thanks, i don't see a "remove" button though
[05:12] <KillGorack> ahh.. different version or interface.. I'm using gnome ubuntu version 9.something or other
[05:13] <Jiggers> heh? are you using ubuntu?
[05:13] <KillGorack> yea
[05:13] <Jiggers> or kubuntu
[05:13] <Jiggers> oh
[05:13] <Jiggers> okay
[05:13] <Jiggers> that makes sense
[05:13] <Jiggers> thankee
[05:13] <dennister> DasKreecH: ok, I think I've finally gotten this all printed...problem licked...may actually have had something to do with that particular usb port :(
[05:13] <KillGorack> I have the KDE, and XFrce installed... but I usualy use the gnome (ubuntu)
[05:13] <DasKreecH> dennister: That sucks
[05:14] <dennister> yeah...one of my very expensive mobo ports
[05:14] <dennister> luckily i have lots :)
[05:14] <KillGorack> what mobo?? a good one?
[05:15] <Jiggers> well...I'll just move the file then from now on...thank you. (I've been usng ubuntu since Fiesty, I just barely switched to Kubuntu for fun)
[05:15] <dennister> a 3-year-old asus A8N32-SLI board ...but now i'm gonna hit the sack
[05:15] <KillGorack> I like the asus boards.
[05:16] <dennister> this was asus' most expensive mobo back then...good night
[05:16] <dennister> DasKreecH: thanks for your help :)
[05:17] <colton_> When I click on one of my applications and it projects up with a fancy animation into a window, is that Qt performing that animation, or some other (component?) of the kde desktop?
[05:19] <ralmar> Hey guys I just installed tor in ubuntu 9.04 and installed Tor button in firefox and enabled it.. I can still browse the web, but its as if i wasnt using tor. My ip is not concealed.. and i fail the torcheck.xenobite.eu test... what can i do? thanks
[05:20] <DasKreecH> colton_: I've not seen that.  What kind of fancy animation?
[05:21] <DasKreecH> What's a tor?
[05:21] <andyman1> I've got a weird issue with Pidgin and Kubuntu. On a reboot/boot Pidgin seems to ignore my gtkrc file (with key bindings etc.). Once I restart Pidgin, everything is hunky-dory. Any ideas?
[05:26] <Gamarok__> hey alexshenoy
[05:27] <coz_> hey all...ah how do I move panel objects  around like clock or pager?
[05:28] <alexshenoy> Gamarok: hey
[05:28] <alexshenoy> whats up
[05:39] <bullgard4> Has the sound server aRTs been replaced by another sound server?
[05:43] <alexshenoy> Gamarok__ Quassel is kind of annoying sometimes
[06:03] <sparr> on my K menu I have [wrench/screwdriver] Settings, [folder] Settings, [gear] System, [folder] System Settings...  among dozens of other reasons that I hate kde 4.x, this one is the easiest to point out.  can anyone explain the reasoning behind this?
[06:05] <DasKreecH> sparr: Which menu do you have?
[06:05] <sparr> what do you mean?
[06:05] <sparr> Application Launcher Menu is the name of the widget
[06:05] <sparr> it's the default(?) K menu in the bottom left corner
[06:05] <DasKreecH> ok
[06:06] <DasKreecH> I have a settings and a System
[06:07] <DasKreecH> Where do you see the other two?
[06:08] <sparr> in the order i listed them, together
[06:08] <sparr> all below 'Science & Math' and above 'Utilities'
[06:09] <DasKreecH> Someone has been playing with your menu it sounds like
[06:10] <sparr> that stuff has been there since the upgrade to Jaunty(?)
[06:10] <sparr> when KDE upgraded from 3.6 to 4.1
[06:13] <sparr> yet another reason I need to reinstall
[06:18] <DasKreecH> sparr: Maybe. Might need to reindex your menu
[06:18] <sparr> how?
[06:19] <compusec> HI EVERYBODY, IM NEW IN UBUNTU, IM HAVING TROUBLE INSTALLING A SOFTWARE, IT TELL'S ME THAT I HAVE TO LOG ON AS THE ADMINSITRATOR FOR THE INSTALLATION, BUT ROOT USER IS DISABLE IN THIS VERSION, I CAN'T LOGON TO AS ROOT
[06:19] <compusec> WHAT CAN I DO ABOUT IT
[06:19] <DasKreecH> !caps | compusec
[06:20] <DasKreecH> !root| compusec
[06:20] <DasKreecH> compusec: when it asks for the password just use the one that you used to login
[06:20] <sparr> compusec: if a program tells you that you have to log on as administrator, it's wrong.
[06:20] <compusec>  i tried
[06:21] <compusec> let me check that url, i'll be back
[06:21] <DasKreecH> !kdesudo
[06:24] <compusec> all right's, how i use de sudo command line
[06:24] <compusec> ???
[06:24] <DasKreecH> compusec: What are you trying to run?
[06:24] <compusec> sudo command
[06:25] <sparr> what command?
[06:26] <DasKreecH> compusec: Which command is asking for root?
[06:26] <sparr> what software are you trying to install?
[06:26] <compusec> the error that is giving me is "to install software you must be logged on as this computer's administrator, bla bla bla"
[06:27] <DasKreecH> compusec: Right you get that when you click on what?
[06:27] <DasKreecH> Adept? Synaptic? Kpackagekit ?
[06:27] <compusec> root user is disable, and the user i created for administration is the same one im using right now, so i don't get it
[06:27] <compusec> when the software tries to install
[06:28] <DasKreecH> compusec: ah I see. Where did you get this software?
[06:28] <compusec> it's called invoice
[06:28] <compusec> express invoice
[06:28] <compusec> by NCH software
[06:28] <compusec> or something like that
[06:28] <DasKreecH> and what does it ask you to do to install ?
[06:28] <DasKreecH> run a script?
[06:29] <compusec> yeah, it start on terminal, then a pop-up window comes up with Licence Agreement bla bla bla
[06:29] <DasKreecH> Or is it Windows software ?
[06:29] <compusec> when i click next i get the error
[06:29] <compusec> nah
[06:29] <compusec> is linux version
[06:29] <saprophyte_> sorry wrong channel, using Ubuntu - gnome
[06:29] <DasKreecH> compusec: ok in the terminal type sudo then the name of the script
[06:30] <DasKreecH> saprophyte_: Ok :)
[06:30] <compusec> brb
[06:31] <compusec> keep getting the same error
[06:32] <compusec> does anybody about a good free accounting software for linux like Peachtree or something?
[06:32] <compusec> does anybody know about a good free accounting software for linux like Peachtree or something?
[06:33] <DasKreecH> compusec: personal or business ?
[06:33] <compusec> it's more for business
[06:34] <compusec> but if the personal does the same thing it doesn't matter
[06:34] <DasKreecH> For personal try Skrooge For light business try Kmymoney for heavier (mid size) business needs try Gnucash
[06:36] <compusec> i  can't do nothing with the password man, gaves me the same error, i'll just give up and get another software that does the same thing...
[06:38] <compusec> well guys
[06:38] <compusec> im out here, see ya next time
[06:39] <DasKreecH> compusec: Ok try this do sudo apt-get update
[06:39] <compusec> what update
[06:39] <kingjere> compusec: I checked out the web site and downlaoded the file. is the file you have invoice.tar.gz/
[06:39] <compusec> yeah
[06:39] <DasKreecH> compusec: it will update the programs you can install. If that works then something is wrong with the program script
[06:39] <kingjere> compusec: tar -zxvf invoice.tar.gz
[06:40] <compusec> upps
[06:40] <compusec> another error
[06:41] <compusec> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[06:41] <compusec> that's the error on the terminal screen
[06:42] <compusec> and now how do i work with the updates
[06:42] <compusec> don't worry about the error, got it fixed already
[06:42] <DasKreecH> compusec: Do you ahve synaptic or something like that open?
[06:42] <DasKreecH>  Kpackagekit ?
[06:42] <compusec> it was
[06:42] <DasKreecH> ok
[06:43] <DasKreecH> so it's updating properly ? Lots of lines running up the screen?
[06:43] <compusec> kpackagekit? what u mean with that
[06:43] <compusec> yeap
[06:43] <compusec> it has the latest update and everythign
[06:43] <compusec> thing
[06:44] <DasKreecH> compusec: It's another program that can lock that file
[06:44] <compusec> what you mean
[06:44] <compusec> ?
[06:44] <DasKreecH> compusec: hmm then something is wrong with that script. can you paste bin the script that pops up the license agreement ?
[06:45] <DasKreecH> Is it a text file you can read ?
[06:45] <compusec> let me check
[06:46] <compusec> can't open it with gedit or none
[06:46] <compusec> i don't think is a text file
[06:46] <DasKreecH> how big is it ?
[06:46] <compusec> not much
[06:47] <DasKreecH> and you run it with a ./filename ?
[06:47] <compusec> not even 1mb
[06:47] <compusec> i have used the program before on red hat
[06:47] <compusec> never had a problem with it
[06:47] <DasKreecH> how do you start it ?
[06:47] <compusec> same way
[06:47] <DasKreecH> ok
[06:47] <DasKreecH> type sudo -i
[06:47] <compusec> it ask for the license agreement
[06:48] <compusec> it installs
[06:48] <DasKreecH> then try start it again
[06:51] <DasKreecH> If the sudo -i doesn't work then it was pretty badly written :)
[06:52] <compusec> ok, need help
[06:53] <compusec> what's the Change Directory command
[06:53] <compusec> cd FOLDER NAME
[06:53] <compusec> ???
[06:53] <compusec> CD ./FOLDER NAME
[06:53] <compusec> CD /FOLDER NAME
[06:53] <compusec> whick is it
[06:53] <compusec> which is it
[06:54] <DasKreecH> compusec: ha ha
[06:54] <DasKreecH> compusec: cd FOL<tab>
[06:57] <compusec> same shit, not even with the sudo -i command
[06:58] <compusec> anyways, gottta go, i'll be entering tommorow to talk a little bit
[06:59] <compusec> see u guys tommorow
[07:03] <Mamarok> DasKreecH: FYI: KMymoney and GnuCash are equivalent, both can handle big data sizes...
[07:03] <DasKreecH> Workflow is different
[07:03] <Mamarok> just KMM is for KDE and GnuCash is a Gnome program
[07:04] <kingjere> DasKreecH: I think I'm messing around with the file compusec had. when I run it, it gives Gtk-WARNING cannot open display: :0.0
[07:04] <DasKreecH> capabilty wise theyare the same but when you working with a fair number of items the workflow is a little smoother
[07:04] <DasKreecH> kingjere: Ah it needs metacity to run That might be it
[07:05] <kingjere> it comes as a tar.gz when you untar it its a shell script with a tar archive inside it.
[07:05] <Mamarok> DasKreecH: when did you last use KMM? I really prefer it, even has the Siwws Account scheme, never had a correct one in Gnicash
[07:05] <Mamarok> Swiss*
[07:05] <DasKreecH> oh no doubt I prefer it
[07:05] <DasKreecH> Haven't tried Skrooge but i hear that's nice
[07:06] <Mamarok> your distinction is not...objective IMHO
[07:06] <DasKreecH> Mamarok: Also to be fair they were asking for options
[07:06] <DasKreecH> It is indeed an option
[07:07] <DasKreecH> kingjere: Yeah thought it might be something like that or a .bin fileeeee
[07:07]  * DasKreecH pokes the 'e' button
[07:07] <Mamarok> still, you made a distinction between small and big, as if KMM could not hanlde big data, don't agree with that
[07:08] <DasKreecH> where distinctions get annoying is when they require a particualt windowmanager to run
[07:08] <DasKreecH> that's kinda annoying
[07:09] <Mamarok> well, kmmoney is platform independant...
[07:09] <DasKreecH> Yeah apparently Express invoice isn't
[07:36] <unix> can someone help me with nvidia driver install? ive tried using envy, the restricted drivers, and the drivers off nvidia, and none work card is fx5500
[07:51] <sparr> fresh install of Kubuntu 9.04...  tried to connect to my wireless network, was prompted for the WPA key.  entered the key, prompted to create a wallet.  entered the wallet password twice, clicked OK...  kded4 crashed, took much system functionality with it, would not restart, had to reboot.
[07:51] <sparr> I really REALLY don't think 4.x is ready for public consumption yet
[07:51]  * sparr is a lonely voice in a very large room :(
[07:55] <sparr> am I the only one who finds that 4.x is much harder to use and less featureful than 3.x?
[07:55] <Mamarok> sparr: this is a support channel, discussion is in #kubuntu-offtopic
[07:55] <Mamarok> unless you have a support request...
[07:56] <superboy> is there a utility or program like aim for the terminal or command line?
[07:56] <Mamarok> define aim?
[07:56] <superboy> like i want to be able to use or aim tru the command-line or terminal
[07:56] <superboy> aol instant messenger
[07:56] <superboy> =aim
[07:57] <sparr> well, I've got a hundred support requests, all revolving around making kde 4 work more like kde 3, and restoring old functionality
[07:57] <Mamarok> superboy: for the command line no, but there is kopete
[07:57] <Mamarok> sparr: it's just a matter of getting used to, it works perfectly well here, and there is a workaround for the wifi
[07:58] <Mamarok> you have got a houndred requests? yeah...
[07:58] <sparr> is there a way to ditch the new plasma panel and go back to the old panel?
[07:58] <Mamarok> !kde3
[07:58] <superboy> okay thanks just out of curiosity would i be able to be using kapete and say im in the terminal would i be able to send an aim tru the terminal havi kopete open?
[07:59] <sparr> superboy: not really.  there are terminal IM clients though
[07:59] <superboy> whats one of them
[07:59] <Mamarok> superboy: you would need a terminal client then
[07:59] <superboy> for i could check it out
[07:59] <Mamarok> no idea, sorry
[07:59] <sparr> centerim comes to mind
[07:59] <superboy> is yakuake a client?
[08:00] <superboy> terminal client?
[08:00] <sparr> or finch
[08:00] <sparr> im sure there are others
[08:00] <Mamarok> superboy: no, yakuake is just a terminal :)
[08:00] <sparr> how can i speed up the kde 4 panel responsiveness (including the K menu)?
[08:01] <Mamarok> sparr: what's wrong with the responsiveness exactly?
[08:01] <sparr> all the graphical nonsense in kde 4 takes noticable fractions of a second to render
[08:01] <Mamarok> well, the deactivate the desktop effects
[08:01] <sparr> i click on the K menu and i see a black box pop up the size/shape of the menu
[08:01] <sparr> they are not enabled
[08:02] <Mamarok> sparr: read what I said above, you can tune all this, explore systemsettings
[08:02] <sparr> desktop effects are already disabled (by default, on this fresh install)
[08:02] <Mamarok> sparr: notfications?
[08:02] <Mamarok> and they are not disabled by default...
[08:03] <sparr> I just installed 9.04
[08:03] <sparr> the only changes I have made are to add a wireless profile and install kvirc
[08:03] <sparr> everything else is fresh out of the box
[08:04] <sparr> by "disabled" i mean that the "Enable Desktop Effects" checkbox, in System Settings > Desktop > Desktop Effects, is unchecked
[08:05] <Mamarok> sparr: those are plasma tooltips, I'm sure you can disable those, moment
[08:05] <sparr> what does Notifications have to do with menus opening?
[08:05] <sparr> what are plasma tooltips?
[08:05] <sparr> badly worded...  i know what they are
[08:05] <sparr> what were you referring to by "those"?
[08:05] <sparr> I am talking about the actual menu
[08:06] <sparr> and its not just the K menu
[08:06] <sparr> when I left click on the Network Management widget, to see the list of network connections and available wireless networks, I see the black outline of the to-be-filled-in list first, then everything else appears after
[08:07] <Mamarok> sparr: you just asked on how to disable plsma tooltips, didn't you?
[08:07] <sparr> I don't think that I did
[08:08] <sparr> the animated plasma tooltips appear relatively quickly...  i neither want nor need them to be animated, but that's a bridge I'll burn later
[08:08] <Mamarok> sorry if I misread you then, what do you want to do exactly?
[08:09] <sparr> when I left click on a plasma widget, including the K menu or Network Management widgets, the obvious desired result of that should happen
[08:09] <sparr> what I get is a black box the shape and size of the desired result...  then later the contents of that box
[08:09] <Mamarok> hm, that doesn't happen here
[08:09] <superboy> how do go to buddy list on finch?
[08:09] <Mamarok> I get the widget directly, mayby something is slowing your system then
[08:10] <Mamarok> superboy: don't know, I never use IM
[08:10] <sparr> if that description is unclear then I could make a small animated GIF of the process
[08:10] <Mamarok> sparr: I think I understood what you said, but I think something is slowing down your system then
[08:10] <Mamarok> you get the outline seconds before the content, right?
[08:11] <sparr> nah
[08:11] <sparr> a tenth of a second maybe
[08:11] <Mamarok> don't have that here, not at all
[08:11] <Mamarok> so I think something is slowing your system
[08:11] <sparr> ive got top running in the background right now on a fast refresh...  when i click Network Management I see plasma jump to 20-30% cpu and Xorg jump to 50-80%
[08:12] <sparr> for a fraction of a second
[08:12] <Mamarok> sparr: what version of KDE 4 do you have exactly?
[08:12] <sparr> the same happens when I click any widget that opens a themed popup
[08:12] <sparr> K menu, calendar, network manamgent
[08:12] <sparr> whatever is on the 9.04 CD
[08:12] <Mamarok> 4.2.2 then
[08:13] <Mamarok> there is a bugfix release available here: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2.3
[08:13] <superboy> is there a program on synaptic or aptitude thats for loging in key-strokes?
[08:13] <sparr> I am doing a fresh OS install to resolve numerous problems.
[08:13] <sparr> I was running KDE 4.2.3 on my previous install, and it had all the same problems I am still seeing
[08:13] <Mamarok> superboy: no, we do not ship keyloggers...
[08:14] <Mamarok> sparr: what are your system specifications?
[08:14] <superboy> oh thanks mamarok\
[08:14] <sparr> athlon 64 3500+, 2.5GB DDR2
[08:14] <sparr> anything else in particular you want?
[08:15] <Mamarok> sparr: I suspect the graphic card
[08:15] <sparr> geforce 7950 GT (G71)
[08:15] <Mamarok> sparr: and you use the 180 driver, right?
[08:15] <sparr> again, I am using exactly what came on the 9.04 CD
[08:16] <Mamarok> sparr: are you running nepomuk and strigi?
[08:16] <sparr> yes, and no.
[08:16] <sparr> nepomukserver, that is
[08:17] <Mamarok> because if it's the first indexing, that takes quite some time and power
[08:17] <sparr> nothing but Xorg is using more than 2% CPU
[08:17] <sparr> CPU is 90%+ idle, except as mentioned above
[08:17] <Mamarok> but again, I do not have those probles you see here on my 4.2.3 box, no idea what it can be else
[08:19] <sparr> ignoring for the moment why the eye-candy might render slowly...  I'd really just like to not have the eye candy to begin with
[08:19] <sparr> all the non-plasma stuff appears just fine
[08:19] <Mamarok> sparr: well, there is no way around plasma in KDE 4, get used to it
[08:19] <sparr> no.
[08:20] <Mamarok> and btw, that's not "just eyecand<"
[08:20] <sparr> I will not "get used to" system performance from the 90s.  My system is perfectly capable of running a state of the art 3d-accelerated desktop with modern window management features.  I had beryl+kde3 running for years.
[08:21] <sparr> Now KDE 4 comes and I have stability and performance issues that make me feel like I am back on my first computer
[08:21] <Mamarok> sparr: ok, but please take this to offtopic
[08:22] <sparr> by the time I am through with this problem, I will have one of three things.  1) KDE 4 working without these problems.  2) KDE 3 installed, with an even more convoluted package pinning structure than I had on my previous install.  3) Gnome.
[08:22] <sparr> as long as I am pursuing #1, this is not offtopic
[08:22] <Mamarok> sparr: !ot
[08:22] <Mamarok> sparr: it is, you are bitching
[08:42] <sparr> I am going to try the Jaunty KDE3 remix, is there a channel specific to that?
[08:43] <superboy> how whould i update or upgrade "whois" tru the command-line or terminal
[08:48] <zortec> How can I get my nvidia card working in KDE?
[08:49] <superboy> > how whould i update or upgrade "whois" tru the command-line or terminal
[08:50] <sparr> superboy: you have an application named 'whois'?
[08:50] <zortec> Is there anyone in the channel?
[08:54] <digdeep> zortec: questions?
[08:54] <zortec> digdeep: I'm trying to download the driver I need for nvidia nForce 610i/geforce 7300 video card
[08:54] <zortec> I can't get any of the kde effects to work
[08:55] <zortec> Oh and I downloaded a video but I don't know where Konquerer put it
[08:55] <zortec> I'm new to KDE and wanted to give it a try
[08:57] <digdeep> regarding to the driver: I did "start menu"-> System -> Hardware Drivers (I never download drivers & install them)
[09:05] <digdeep> regarding to download of Konquerer, it prompts the location where you want to download. I guess you can "download" it again to find out the path you save
[09:11] <coz_> hey guys  I noticed there are system sounds  for a bunch of stuff ... is there a way to turn off system sound noitifications without interfering with the sound system?
[09:23] <superboy> anybody know the sudo pass for the terminal on the iphone
[09:24] <Pici> superboy: This is not an iphone channel, try ##iphone
[09:30] <bluecode> I have kubuntu 9.04, is there a way to get a package from karmic (in this case kdevelop-kde4 4.9.93)? According to http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=karmic&searchon=names&keywords=kdevelop it's available for karmic but not for jaunty
[10:52] <shadeslayer> anyone have this : http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=91009&forumpage=7
[10:58] <husayn> how can i add widgets in KDE 3.5
[10:58] <bazhang> kde4 widgets?
[10:58] <husayn> no
[10:58] <husayn> widgets in KDE 3.5
[10:58] <bazhang> or superkaramba
[10:58] <husayn> I have Hardy heron.. i want to add widgets
[10:59] <husayn> i have seen some of customized things in kde-look.org  are they widgets ??
[10:59] <bazhang> !info superkaramba hardy
[10:59] <bazhang> yep superkaramba has the weather applets and such
[10:59] <husayn> should i do   sudp apt-get install superkaramba
[10:59] <Guest97291> I have a problem running python files .py in kubuntu why
[11:00] <bazhang> husayn, yes
[11:00] <Guest97291> some idea?
[11:01] <husayn> will SuperKarmaba work in KDE 3.5 ??
[11:01] <husayn> is it for 4.x ?
[11:01] <Serpardum> What's the name of that script file that runs on boot that I can add stuff to on startup?
[11:01] <bazhang> husayn, sure it will work in hardy and 3.5
[11:01] <shadeslayer> husayn: will work for 3.5 as well
[11:01] <Serpardum> initsomethingorother ?
[11:01] <husayn> i have installed it... where to get it.. is it in the utilities ?? or system or where , from where to activate it
[11:01] <shadeslayer> initstart i think
[11:02] <bazhang> husayn, no need for it with 4.x
[11:02] <bazhang> husayn, get some applets as well
[11:02] <husayn> from kde-look.org ??
[11:02] <shadeslayer> husayn: start superkaramba by alt+F2 superkarmaba and then add widgets
[11:02] <bazhang> husayn, via superkaramba itself
[11:03] <bazhang> oops
[11:03] <Serpardum> ahh, I just add teh script to /etc/init.d I think
[11:04] <Serpardum> then run a command.
[11:05] <husayn> where do files get saved... when i download widgets from superkarmba
[11:06] <husayn> it says.. sucessfully installed
[11:06] <shadeslayer> husayn: they are installed automatically
[11:06] <husayn> but i cant see that widget
[11:06] <bazhang> superkaramba allows you to use them right away
[11:06] <husayn> so how to get it on the background ?
[11:06] <shadeslayer> husayn: is it not present in the karmaba manager??
[11:07] <husayn> no its not coming.. it is only showing 2 options .. one is to locate from a file and one is to get from the internet
[11:07] <bazhang> choose the second
[11:07] <husayn> i have clicked the new stuff which gives me a list.. then i click one CPU thing
[11:07] <husayn> it gets downloaded and says sucessfully installed
[11:07] <shadeslayer> husayn: bah....everything might not be comaptible with 3.5
[11:08] <husayn> but i cant see it on...screen
[11:08] <husayn> okey let me try some other
[11:08] <shadeslayer> yeah..
[11:08] <shadeslayer> brb
[11:14] <sheytan_> Hi, did upgrade for kde 4.2.4 today, but it still shows 4.2.3, does anybody has that too?
[11:14] <sheytan_> oh, and there was only 8 pkgs for upgrade
[11:15] <shadeslayer> 4.2.4 is out???
[11:15] <sheytan_> yes
[11:15]  * shadeslayer checks
[11:16] <shadeslayer> hmm...im upgrading too ;)
[11:17] <sheytan_> ok, tell me if it will still show 4.2.3
[11:17] <faileas> you may need to restart the app in question?
[11:17] <shadeslayer> sheytan_: itll take alot of time here...3 hrs
[11:17] <shadeslayer> sheytan_: did you logout and restart X ??
[11:18] <sheytan_> shadeslayer: woo, it was about 3 min here (8pkg), and yes, i did
[11:18] <faileas> hmm
[11:18] <faileas> my kubuntu-ppa repo has got a bad signature
[11:18] <faileas> wierd
[11:18] <bazhang> !gpgerr | faileas
[11:19] <shadeslayer> sheytan_: 128kbps connections here :'(
[11:19] <sheytan_> shadeslayer: oh, but it's always a connecion ;)
[11:20] <shadeslayer> sheytan_: bleh...typo
[11:20] <faileas> bazhang: it works when i reran apt...
[11:20] <faileas> random glitch i think
[11:20] <faileas> ahh
[11:20] <bazhang> faileas, ah good
[11:20] <faileas> sheytan_: you MAY need to run dist-upgrade
[11:20] <sheytan_> oh
[11:20] <sheytan_> will try
[11:21] <chuckymonkey> so, has anyone had any trouble installing plasmoids
[11:21] <chuckymonkey> errors to the effect that the /tmp/"your name here" file could not be created?
[11:23] <chuckymonkey> errors to the effect that the /tmp/"your name here" file could not be created?
[11:27] <matthieu> Test
[11:32] <vistakiller> the new kde 4.2.4 packages has problems
[11:32] <vistakiller> they will unistall half of my system like compiz, envyng etc
[11:35] <komuta> hi
[11:35] <komuta> about the 4.2.4 upgrade
[11:35] <komuta> it doesn't complete because qt is still in version 4.5.0
[11:35] <komuta> from which repository is it supposed to be upgraded to 4.5.1 ?
[11:36] <shadeslayer> how do i theme amarok?
[11:36] <husayn> anybody know how to check that is my graphics card installed ??
[11:37] <husayn> and how to install propritary graphics card drivers... becuase i have dell gx260 it has intel graphics card and it has picked up the driver but is not performing well..
[11:37] <shadeslayer> husayn: jockey-kde
[11:37] <husayn> should i install it ?
[11:38] <husayn> it is showing no propritary drivers
[11:39] <shadeslayer> husayn: i mean run apt+F2 and then jockey-kde
[11:39] <shadeslayer> *alt
[11:40] <husayn> it is showing no drivers !!!!
[11:41] <sheytan_> yeah, somethings wrong. when i want upgrade there's no packages for, but when distr-upgrade it want to delete alot of kde's packages, and just upgrade 4 :/
[11:41] <shadeslayer> husayn: that means it is supported by default
[11:41] <sheytan_> now the sources edition window doesn't work for me :/
[11:42] <husayn> so i should install the driver manually !!!!
[11:43] <komuta> husayn: usually, Intel graphic cards driver do not need any manual nor custom install
[11:43] <shadeslayer> husayn: no need
[11:44] <komuta> husayn: there are open sourced Xorg driver available, so your card should work out of the boxc
[11:44] <husayn> the driver is installed by default... when i go to Settings and then click monitor and display
[11:44] <husayn> there i can see Intel 845 choosen
[11:44] <husayn> but it shows 256K memory.. while i have 8mb of memory of VGA
[11:45] <husayn> and i cant change that.. the 256K option is locked.... also there are other 2 options , one is standard , one is priopraitary.. this is also locked
[11:46] <Scherenhaenden> hi, i hav a question, what program can i use for wpa2... i was trying with knetworkmanager, but i have this manager of kubuntu karmic... n my knetwork can not my wifi-card managent
[11:46] <husayn> i dont thik i would be able to use.. these.. graphical options like that... 3D screen and all that using this type of graphics card
[11:47] <komuta> husayn: there may be no graphic interface for this settings, but I think onboard intel graphic chipset uses shared video memory from the system
[11:47] <husayn> hum...
[11:48] <husayn> i think the Kubuntu needs some extra graphics power... windows xp was just working fine with that
[11:48] <komuta> you can set the amount of CG dedicated memory through an option of the xorg device driver
[11:48] <ct529> I solved the problem of setting up the case of the file name to lower on SDHC cards automounted by HAL! hooooray
[11:49] <komuta> husayn: man intel
[11:49] <husayn> :D
[11:49] <komuta> VideoRam integer
[11:49] <komuta>               This option specifies the amount of system memory to use for graphics, in KB.
[11:49] <husayn> really !!!!!
[11:49] <husayn> is that a software ?
[11:49] <komuta> what is strange, is that by default you should have at least 8MB configured
[11:50] <komuta> no it is not, it's just the manpage for the graphic driver
[11:50] <Scherenhaenden> mmm
[11:50] <husayn> so from where to access it and change the 256K to 8MB
[11:50] <shadeslayer> is amarok 1.x present in the repo??
[11:50] <komuta> you should look inside /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:51] <_Sih> Hey, anyone knows how to make a custom app launsher, like in GNOME? (KDE 4.2)
[11:51] <komuta> the amount of  ram dedicated to CG by X at startup should appear in the log
[11:52] <husayn> its a big log file
[11:53] <husayn> can you tell me how to change the default video ram value ?
[11:53] <husayn> i have 8mb in Bios
[11:53] <komuta> can you use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste the log file ?
[11:54] <husayn> w8
[11:55] <vistakiller> they will fix the problem with kde 4.2.4 or i have to remove repositories?
[11:56] <shadeslayer> vistakiller: everything seems fine here...apt doesnt say it will remove compiz
[11:56] <vistakiller> in my system will remove the half of the packages
[11:56] <shadeslayer> altho..meta package kubuntu-desktop is being removed :)
[11:57] <vistakiller> like jokey, gdebi, compiz, screensaver etc
[11:57] <vistakiller> i dont know why
[11:57] <shadeslayer> vistakiller: http://paste.ubuntu.com/187292/
[11:57] <naproxeno> hi, i have the same symptoms as vistakiller, although in my case it wants to remove kubuntu-desktop and systemsettings
[11:57] <vistakiller> is about 30 packages tou remove
[11:58] <shadeslayer> naproxeno: see my paste :)
[11:58] <naproxeno> ok, i see... :)
[11:59] <shadeslayer> naproxeno: i seem to have the same symptoms as you ;)...its a packaging problem it seems
[11:59] <vistakiller> http://paste.ubuntu.com/187295/
[11:59] <vistakiller> and this is my packages
[11:59] <husayn> komuta are you there
[11:59] <husayn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/187293/  this is my files
[11:59] <naproxeno> komuta mentioned early that it's because the new packages need qt 4.5.1, and the repos only have 4.5.0
[12:00] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: you there??
[12:00] <naproxeno> brb
[12:00] <vistakiller> i think must remove this repositories
[12:00] <vistakiller> someone will break the system if he do the update
[12:00] <shadeslayer> one sec everyone...ill just get this confirmed :)
[12:01] <shadeslayer> ack...kde 4.2.4 update was just removed from kubuntu.org
[12:02] <vistakiller> nice :D
[12:02] <shadeslayer> vistakiller: looks like a major problem with packaging...else they wouldnt have not removed it
[12:23] <shadeslayer> vistakiller: ok its probably a packaging problem :)
[12:29] <ubuntu> HELLO
[12:29] <shadeslayer> ubuntu: hi
[12:48] <kde4> hey fellas
[12:48] <shadeslayer> !hi | kde4
[12:49] <kde4> hey shadeslayer
[12:49] <kde4> i am expecting a lot of pings from this nickname
[12:49] <shadeslayer> hi
[12:49] <shadeslayer> kde4: why??
[12:50] <usuario> hi for all
[12:50] <shadeslayer> strange.....
[12:51] <usuario> yes
[12:51] <vistakiller> ok :)
[12:51] <shadeslayer> usuario: kde4??
[12:51] <usuario> yes
[12:51] <shadeslayer> vistakiller: itll probably be fixed in a few hours...im upgrading anyways :D
[12:53] <ahox> Hi, is it just me or is the ppa-kubuntu currently broken?
[12:55] <usuario> how can I do to install games made for windows in kubuntu?
[12:55] <usuario> someone help me
[12:56] <shadeslayer> !wine | usuario
[12:57] <usuario> how can I do to install games made for windows in kubuntu?
[12:59] <usuario> ubottu: tanks
[13:01] <usuario> ubottu: sorry, I wanted to say thank you I wrote rsrsrsrs wrong.
[13:03] <shadeslayer> usuario: as you might have understood ubottu is just a piece of smart code :)
[13:06] <Scherenhaenden> hey
[13:06] <shadeslayer> any way to pause apt-get ?? im going offline for a moment
[13:06] <Scherenhaenden> i cannot see my wlan0 on knetwork
[13:06] <Scherenhaenden> someone knows what should i do?
[13:06] <shadeslayer> !wifi | Scherenhaenden
[13:07] <Scherenhaenden> wifi
[13:07] <Scherenhaenden> it is not the same:S?
[13:08] <shadeslayer> Scherenhaenden: put a ! before the wifi...try it in PM with ubottu
[13:17] <Testuser> hi
[13:17] <Gamarok__> hi Testuser
[13:18] <Testuser> ahm, Iḿ a newbie
[13:18] <shadeslayer> !new | Testuser
[13:18] <Testuser> i know
[13:18] <shadeslayer> Testuser: if you have a problem with Kubuntu please state it :)
[13:18] <Testuser> ok
[13:19] <Testuser> my problem is kprint
[13:19] <shadeslayer> Testuser: your printer??
[13:19] <Testuser> printer is ok
[13:19] <shadeslayer> !printer > Testuser
[13:20] <Testuser> but i want to use kprinter with openoffice#
[13:20] <shadeslayer> Testuser: please check out the links there
[13:20] <shadeslayer> ah...
[13:20] <shadeslayer> Testuser: file > print
[13:25] <Testuser> with kde3.x i was able to use the advantages of kprinter with openoffice but in kubuntu9.04 there is non
[13:25] <Testuser> what to do now?
[13:26] <Testuser> is there a chance to run kprinter also?
[13:28] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: here now :)
[13:29] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: kde 4.2.4 has packaging problems as well ;)
[13:29] <Testuser> omg how to see a privat message?
[13:29] <shadeslayer> Testuser: what client??
[13:29] <Testuser> quassel
[13:30] <shadeslayer> Testuser: there will be a pane on the left
[13:30] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: well, I didn't even try, is there an official release yet?
[13:30] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: yes there was....they took it down after 10 min afterwards :)
[13:31] <shadeslayer> -afterwards
[13:31] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: I guess it shouldn't have gone up in the first place
[13:32] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: maybe they found out about it...users reported that the upgrade was removing compiz and other gnome utilis
[13:33] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: my advice is: always wait a few days before upgrading :)
[13:33] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: hehe...
[13:34] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: kde-neon still wont work :P
[13:34] <Mamarok> but then, I will tell the devs to replease the announcement a tad later too, for security...
[13:34] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: maybe a note in the channel topic as well?
[13:35] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: it's *not* in the topic FYI
[13:35] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ??
[13:35] <shadeslayer> ah...i see what you mean
[13:35] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: I put things in the topic I know about and ask people to refer to the topic only
[13:36] <Mamarok> what is not in the topic is not there for the user yet :)
[13:37] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: looks like the page is still online http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2.4
[13:37] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: I can't see it, must be in your cache then
[13:37] <shadeslayer> nope cache is clean
[13:38] <links> всем привет
[13:38] <Mamarok> hm, it's not on the front page, but in the history for june on the left... bad, bad idea
[13:38] <shadeslayer> !gr | links
[13:38] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: yep...
[13:39] <Pici> !ru | links
[13:39] <shadeslayer> ah....russian...
[13:39] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: cyrillic is not greek... ;)
[13:39] <shadeslayer> lol
[13:50] <inge> hi
[13:51] <Mamarok> hi
[13:51] <sompoch> hi
[13:51] <inge> ich hätte da mal eine Frage
[13:51] <Mamarok> !de | inge
[13:51] <inge> Ich verwende derzeit kubunte 9.04
[13:51] <Mamarok> ubotu?
[13:51] <Mamarok> inge: Deutsch ist in #kubuntu-de
[13:52] <Brettman> has anyone had any luck installig gnone on kubuntu???
[13:52] <inge> ok - sorry
[13:52] <Mamarok> Brettman: you mean Gnome?
[13:52] <Brettman> ya sorry mistype
[13:52] <Mamarok> Brettman: install the ubuntu-desktop package
[13:53] <Brettman> i googles and it seems allot of people have the same problem
[13:53] <Brettman> i tried that
[13:53] <Mamarok> Brettman: then you will have to log out and change the session, you can not run Gnome in KDE :)
[13:53] <Brettman> can i post my error msg>
[13:53] <Brettman> ?
[13:53] <Brettman> marmok i know
[13:53] <shadeslayer> Brettman: use pastebin
[13:53] <Mamarok> Brettman: please put it in http://paste.ubuntu.com and give the link here
[13:55] <Brettman> http://paste.ubuntu.com/187364/
[13:55] <Brettman> has the error msg
[13:56] <Brettman> nothing i do will let me install it
[13:56] <Brettman> Depends: system-config-printer
[13:56] <shadeslayer> Brettman: try installing that package seprately
[13:56] <Brettman> what i just posted
[13:56] <Brettman> i did
[13:57] <Mamarok> Brettman: well, you will have to ask in #ubuntu then, soemthing is wrong with the packages in the repositories
[13:57] <Brettman> ok
[13:57] <shadeslayer> Brettman: same message?? try updating and try apt with --fix-broken
[13:58] <Brettman> thanx for the help
[14:15] <bas85> nog nederlanders hier??
[14:16] <Pici> !nl | bas85
[14:16] <gaboo> Hi there
[14:17] <gaboo> Does anyone has a problem installing kde 4.2.4 ? Apparently, some packages require qt4.5.1, which I don't have in any repos, and so can't be installed.
[14:21] <jeez_> hey guys, yesterday I was building Plasma (trunk) here (kubuntu 9.04), and when I try to run it just got "Invalid D-BUS interface name 'org.kde.plasma-desktop.PlasmaApp' found while parsing introspection" and then nothing happens. Does anyone know why is this happening ?!
[14:26] <guyman> i'm trying to install 4.2.3 as per http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2.3, but both apt-get and kpackagekit say there are 46 being "blocked" or "kept back"
[14:27] <gaboo> guyman: 4.2.4 has been added to the repos and apparently there are some dependancy problems.
[14:28] <p_quarles> guyman: I'm not convinced that kpackagekit is really ready, yet; try apt-get if you want a more verbose conflict message
[14:34] <guyman> gaboo: i guess that would explain it then.  it's saying libqt4-* 4.5.1 is a dependency but 4.5.0 is about to be installed
[14:35] <gaboo> guyman: same here
[14:35] <Kiry> ok, I'm having major brain fart here
[14:35] <gaboo> guyman: I guess it they are aware and trying to fix because the 4.2.4 announcement has been removed from kubuntu's homepage.
[14:36] <Kiry> I've upgraded to kubuntu 9.04 but for some reason, Adobe Flash stopped working
[14:36] <Kiry> I've followed all the steps to install it but nothing seems to work
[14:36] <gaboo> Kiry: In konqueror ? Firefox ?
[14:36] <Kiry> Firefox
[14:38] <Mamarok> guyman: please, folks, do not yet upgrade, there are package problems!
[14:38] <gaboo> Mamarok: indeed. But as it was on kubuntu's home page for a moment ... i thought it was safe.
[14:39] <gaboo> Kiry: do you have flashplugin-nonfree installed ?
[14:39] <Mamarok> gaboo: yes, there was an error, I am sorry, appologies from the devs too, they are working hard on solving the problem
[14:40] <gaboo> for me it's as simple as installing this package, and then it works.
[14:40] <Mamarok> gaboo: it's more than one package...
[14:40] <gaboo> Mamarok: hey, no worries, not that of a problem :)
[14:40] <Mamarok> just be patient and hold back, I will put it in the topic once it's solved
[14:41] <gaboo> Mamarok: I was speaking of flash for Kiry
[14:41] <guyman> Mamarok: heh, i wasn't attempting to go to 4.2.4 yet, i was trying to go to 4.2.3 as per the homepage
[14:41] <gaboo> guyman: but it's in the same repository.
[14:41] <Kiry> gaboo according to the sympatic package installer, that item is checked
[14:42] <Mamarok> gaboo: the word is now: do not upgrade yet, there are problems currently solved, tomorrow should be good
[14:42] <Mamarok> please, all, do *not* upgrade now, wait till tomorrow!
[14:42] <guyman> 4.2.3 had similar issues, i figured those would be finally resolved since 4.2.4 now exists.  but yeah, gaboo, looking back i realize what happened
[17:15] <Peace-konversati> eeos: intel xD
[17:18] <TheGrammarFreak> All my text is rendered as Courier on kubuntu 9.04. does anyone know how to change this?
[17:19] <eeos> Peace-konversati: xD? Icannot find it on any of my usual suppliers
[17:20] <luthir> hi
[17:20] <luthir> anyone: how do you install the adobe plugin for konqueror? or you can't?
[17:21] <eeos> Peace-konversati: it is full of name that I do not even know what they are  .... let alone performances .... phenom????
[17:22] <genii> luthir: If you have konqueror-nsplugins then it can use the one for Firefox
[17:22] <luthir> genii how do I know if I have nsplugins?
[17:23] <eeos> is there somewhere a database with benchmark of performances you get from a CPU in ubuntu?
[17:23] <genii> luthir:  apt-cache policy konqueror-nsplugins         (or konqueror-nsplugins-kde4 )
[17:23] <luthir> l
[17:24] <luthir> genii: it says I have it installed, now what?
[17:24] <luthir> where do I find the fox plugin at
[17:25] <genii> luthir: In Konq ... Settings...Configure Konqueror...Plugins ..
[17:26] <luthir> k
[17:26] <luthir> I'm a noob
[17:27] <luthir> genii: I just see folders
[17:27] <jussi01> !flash
[17:27] <luthir> and when I hitscan nothin happens genii
[17:29] <genii> luthir: There are 2 tabs there, one says Scan, one says Plugins. In the Plugins tab it should have any it found listed. If nothing in the list, see the bots instructions above
[17:29] <shadeslayer> genii: i think the packaging problem is solved ^_^
[17:32] <genii> shadeslayer: Glad to hear
[17:33] <TheGrammarFreak> All my text is rendered as Courier on kubuntu 9.04. does anyone know how to change this? I have changed the fonts in the font changer bit of the setting windows, and nothing happens. It even renders the example text in courier
[17:34] <The_Bault> Il y a des français?
[17:35] <genii> !fr | The_Bault
[17:37] <The_Bault> I have had a little problem and I lost Konqueror. Can I have it with the "add/remove softwares"?
[17:37] <genii> Yes
[17:40] <The_Bault> I ask you because I don't know what is the exact name for Knoqueror in the Package list ...
[17:42] <szilvi> hi there
[17:42] <The_Bault> hi
[17:42] <szilvi> i need some help with installing apps... any pros here? :)
[17:43] <The_Bault> not really...
[17:43] <szilvi> maybe you could help me :)
[17:43] <szilvi> I've installed assaultcube and i can't find it in the app launcher
[17:44] <szilvi> where is it and how could i add it there?
[17:44] <szilvi> :)
[17:44] <sparr> "dpkg -l assaultcube" will tell you where the files went
[17:44] <szilvi> and can I add a link to it in the "start menu"
[17:45] <szilvi> the command gives me this output
[17:45] <szilvi> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[17:45] <szilvi> | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
[17:45] <szilvi> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[17:45] <szilvi> ||/ Name           Version        Description
[17:45] <szilvi> +++-[17:45] <szilvi> ii  assaultcube    1.00-1~getdeb2 AssaultCube is a total conversion of Cube
[17:45] <tsimpson> !paste > szilvi
[17:46] <Pollywog> anyone know why KDE4 would start and then the screen just turn black?  I can use alt-f2 and bring up apps this way but there is no desktop
[17:46] <Pollywog> Jaunty btw
[17:46] <robertknight> Pollywog: Presumably plasma-desktop failed to start?
[17:46] <robertknight> Try launching it manually
[17:46] <robertknight> (It might be called just 'plasma' in KDE 4.2 - I can't remember)
[17:46] <Pollywog> k thanks
[17:47] <Pollywog> robertknight, yes it starts with plasma.kde4
[17:47] <The_Bault> hum, what's the name of Konqueror in the "adept installer"
[17:47] <Pollywog> I get a desktop with that command
[17:47] <swatto> Anyone know if it is possible to edit the login screen or get themes for it please?
[17:48] <The_Bault> please?
[17:48] <tsimpson> The_Bault: use adept manager, not adept installer
[17:48] <The_Bault> Tanks a lot.
[17:48] <szilvi> any ideas on my issue :) ?
[17:48] <Pollywog> any ideas why plasma would not automatically start?
[17:48] <tsimpson> szilvi: use "dpkg -L assaultcube" too see all the installed files, and please don't post the whole list here
[17:49] <vivanco> why kubuntu 9.04 is too slow whi 512 of ram
[17:49] <szilvi> well... the command wouldn't work
[17:49] <genii> szilvi: Did you install it from the package manager, or download some tar.gz file, or something else, etc?
[17:49] <tsimpson> szilvi: there is a difference between "dpkg -l" and "dpkg -L"
[17:49] <Pollywog> tsimpson, yes
[17:50] <szilvi> i can't install it with kpacagekit
[17:50] <szilvi> it's not there
[17:50] <tsimpson> genii: looks like a getdeb package
[17:50] <robertknight> Pollywog: I'm not sure where plasma-desktop is started from
[17:50] <szilvi> i got it from get-deb
[17:50] <Pollywog> -L tells you what files are part of the package
[17:50] <Pollywog> robertknight, ty
[17:50] <Pollywog> it's a start
[17:50] <szilvi> and it installed... but it won't show up on the app starter
[17:50] <Pollywog> I will figure it out eventually
[17:50] <robertknight> Although you could always add it to KDE's autostart settings
[17:50] <robertknight> Though that is not a proper-fix
[17:51] <tsimpson> szilvi: you need to use use "dpkg -L assaultcube" too see all the installed files, and look for files with "bin/" in it
[17:52] <szilvi> /usr/share/games/assaultcube/ac_server
[17:52] <szilvi> maybe this one, cause i don't see any bins
[17:52] <tsimpson> that may be the game server rather than the game itself
[17:53] <szilvi> ooops i pasted the wrong line... there's a "ac_client" file... i think it's a binary
[17:53] <szilvi> /usr/share/games/assaultcube/ac_client
[17:54] <tsimpson> szilvi: it may be, are there any .desktop files?
[17:54] <szilvi> i'm a noob... I think you all guessed that already :P
[17:54] <szilvi> yup
[17:54] <szilvi> /usr/share/applications/assaultcube.desktop
[17:54] <susbwoy> Hi, how am i able to go back to default panel settings?
[17:55] <tsimpson> szilvi: then it _should_ be in the kmenu
[17:55] <szilvi> that's the kickoff application launcher right?
[17:55] <szilvi> cause it's not there
[17:56] <szilvi> oooops... sorry guys just found ity
[17:56] <szilvi> it*
[17:56] <szilvi> it's there... thx anyway
[17:56] <tsimpson> :)
[17:56] <szilvi> many thx
[17:56] <tsimpson> no problem
[17:56] <Riddell> who wants to test 4.2.4?
[17:56] <susbwoy> Having a ponder in ~/.kde/share/config but can't seem to find anything to change back to default panel.
[17:57] <Riddell> guyman: bmunger_ dreimark ?
[17:57] <tsimpson> susbwoy: it's in ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-appletsrc iirc
[17:58] <szilvi> oh... i still have a big Q... i just bought a 9600 gt... installed drivers for it... and the desktop effects are too slow compared to the 1Gs my videocard has
[17:58] <szilvi> what can i do about it?
[17:58] <susbwoy> tsimpson: cheers.
[18:00] <szilvi> and i'm having problems running assaultcube
[18:00] <szilvi> it appears for a few minutes in the task manager and then it just disapears with no screen changes
[18:01] <szilvi> correction: i'm having problems running all 3d accelerated games
[18:01] <szilvi> but i'm pretty sure i have the right drivers for my card
[18:02] <szilvi> any ideas? :)
[18:05] <ubunturos> My monitor has a 17" screen, and my resolution doesn't go beyond 1024x768 and xorg.conf doesn't have resolutions mentioned beyond that, so can I add manually and run a command to set bigger resolutions?
[18:06] <dreimark> Riddell: can do testing tom, the colleague is already at hom
[18:06] <dreimark> +e
[18:07] <ActionParsnip> ubunturos: you can add resolutions to xorg.conf
[18:07] <ActionParsnip> ubunturos: if you install video drivers it should go higher
[18:07] <ubunturos> ActionParsnip: ok, and do I have run any command that'll reconfigure the resolutions?
[18:07] <Riddell> dreimark: please add the PPA at https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa and upgrade
[18:11] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i can confirm that KDE 4.2.4 works...no problems at all
[18:12] <Riddell> shadeslayer: great, thanks
[18:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: no problem...just dist-upgrade and then upgrade :)
[18:14]  * shadeslayer wonders why his swap is 0
[18:14] <skafti> hello im having a problem with my kmail is someone good at this
[18:17] <Kanerix> Is it possible to burn aac (m4a) tracks onto a CD easily?
[18:18] <Kanerix> is there a codec I can download and use?
[18:18] <rjune> Kanerix: I would look at k3b
[18:19] <rjune> It might do what you want
[18:19] <Kanerix> I tried k3b but it won't import the m4a files
[18:19] <Kanerix> they aren't DRM'd either
[18:19] <Kanerix> I suspect I don't have the correct codecs or plugins for it or something
[18:21] <Kanerix> also, what command do I use to determine what version of kubuntu I have? I think it's 9.04 but I may be wrong
[18:21] <ubunturos> Kanerix: lsb_release -all
[18:21] <ubunturos> Kanerix: lsb_release -a *
[18:22] <ubunturos> not all, but just a
[18:22] <Kanerix> alright it is 9.04
[18:22] <Kanerix> does that work on most distros?
[18:23] <ubunturos> Kanerix: as far as I'm aware, it works on *buntus
[18:23] <Kanerix> ah worked on my suse server as well, and thats rather old
[18:23] <Pici> If the distro is going for LSB compliance (which many major ones do), then it believe it has to respond to that command.
[18:23] <Kanerix> is there a command to determine the date of the original install?
[18:24] <Kanerix> cool
[18:24] <Kanerix> thats good to know
[18:36] <Kanerix> so what codecs would be required to burn an m4a (itunes download) to a CD?
[18:43] <Dragnslcr> Riddell- how about adding http:// to the 4.2.4 URL for us lazy folk
[18:44] <Riddell> Dragnslcr: most web browsers do that for you surely
[18:44] <Dragnslcr> Sure, but Konversation doesn't recognize it as a link
[18:45] <robin0800> htthttp://www.kubuntu.org/month/2009/06
[18:45] <linux> hello
[18:45] <thibault__> hello
[18:46] <linux> i using kubuntu 9.04!how to recover My KDE Panel?(I removed it!!)
[18:46] <linux> *KDE Panel(task manager and...!)
[18:47] <Dragnslcr> linux- if you right-click on your desktop, is there an option Add Panel?
[18:47] <Peace-> linux: wtf... right button add pannel
[18:48] <Dragnslcr> The very lazy thank you, Mamarok
[18:48] <Mamarok> Dragnslcr: yaw :)
[18:49] <mrwes> OMG! I just tried Opera for the first time -- what a screamer
[18:57] <carolija> whats th diferent betwen 4.22 Gb and normal cd ?
[18:57] <carolija> the*
[18:57] <carolija> is ther is any ?
[18:57] <ubunturos> carolija: packages primarly
[18:58] <davidkali> >gets bored and downloads the entire games listing
[18:58] <ubunturos> carolija: you wouldn't need to download a lot of packages from the internet
[18:58] <ubunturos> carolija: however, may need to update when bugs / security fixes are applied to them
[18:58] <davidkali> About like.. 250 packages need updates
[18:59] <davidkali> From image installation
[18:59] <davidkali> No biggie, takes like 9 minutes
[18:59] <carolija> ubunturos: I have already normal kubuntu
[18:59] <carolija> just was curios what us with 4GB
[18:59] <carolija> i have that one too just not installd
[18:59] <carolija> thank you :)
[19:00] <ubunturos> carolija: welcome.
[19:00] <carolija> If i have both , what u addvice to install ?
[19:00] <ubunturos> carolija: btw, do you have broadband internet?
[19:00] <carolija> 4Gb or other one
[19:00] <carolija> yea i hav
[19:00] <carolija> have* (my keyboard sux)
[19:00] <ubunturos> carolija: that would depend on if you have download limits on your internet connection
[19:00] <carolija> i have no limits
[19:01] <carolija> ill try for the change this one of 4GB, have to reinstall the system
[19:01] <ubunturos> carolija: good, for a reasonably faster and minimal install, use the CD. For a customized installation of packages from for the distro, use the DVD
[19:01] <carolija> yes, ill do that ubunturos , thnx for advice man
[19:02] <ubunturos> carolija: if you have already installed from the CD, then no use using the DVD
[19:02] <carolija> but i will delete it
[19:02] <carolija> i need to format PC ;/
[19:02] <ubunturos> carolija: may be you can give it to someone who doesn't have an internet connection
[19:02] <ubunturos> carolija: update your installation via the internet, though
[19:03] <carolija> i did that already , heh , to my friend
[19:03] <carolija> just problem is in my PC , ill will open it now and see in side whats wrong
[19:04] <carolija> he just freez after a while ...
[19:04] <TheGrammarFreak> How long before your PC freezes?
[19:04] <ubunturos> carolija: oh
[19:04] <carolija> somethimes 2 days somethimes 5 min
[19:05] <carolija> ist strange ...
[19:05] <carolija> its*
[19:05] <TheGrammarFreak> carolija: If your PC freezes after about half an hour you may need to look into your CPU overheating
[19:05] <ubunturos> carolija: my system too experienced a similar issue, in order to isolate, I ran my computer only into the BIOS mode
[19:06] <ubunturos> carolija: and when if hung, it showed up " !!! " in fields of BIOS
[19:06] <carolija> hmmz, maybe ther is the point TheGrammarFreak
[19:06] <TheGrammarFreak> carolija: I just replaced the heat sink compound, and mine runs smoothly now
[19:06] <carolija> ubunturos:  wan i am in bios h work fine lol
[19:07] <carolija> so maybe is the same ...
[19:07] <ubunturos> carolija: oh, I see.
[19:07] <ubunturos> carolija: may be something else
[19:07] <carolija> yea, thats why ill will open it now just to check
[19:07] <carolija> after will see
[19:07] <rebecka> any polish users here? is there polish kubuntu channel?
[19:07] <TheGrammarFreak> Next time it freezes, reboot into bios, and look at the CPU temp.
[19:08] <pulaski> hello, I have an older ebook device whose manufacturer has gone out of business.  It was originally designed for use with MS Windows.  I can't find a driver for it that will work under GNU/Linuc  Can anyone advise me about an accessible resource where I can learn to write my own driver for this device?
[19:08] <ubunturos> !polish | rebecka,
[19:08] <carolija> what is normal telp TheGrammarFreak  ?
[19:08] <carolija> temp*
[19:08] <carolija> i can look right now
[19:08] <TheGrammarFreak> Mine is 60 degrees, some run at 40, over 100 is bad
[19:08] <TheGrammarFreak> What is it now?
[19:08] <ubunturos> carolija: depending on the kind of processor, the temp. would vary between 50-80
[19:09] <ubunturos> degree Celcius
[19:10] <carolija> this is old pentium 3 600+ procesor i use it just for kubuntu
[19:10] <carolija> but now he start to freez
[19:11] <TheGrammarFreak> Ye, for that you are looking at around 60 degrees celcius
[19:11] <TheGrammarFreak> possibly 70
[19:11] <harjot> guys my  apt-get isnt working so therefore i cant download ANYTHING internet is fine btw. and also this is because i once had an intrepid repository in my sources.list so it replaced most of the packages + dependencies with intrepid even though im on 8.04 so there fore i cant download andinstall because the version is too high [dependecies]
[19:12] <TheGrammarFreak> harjot: does aptitude work?
[19:12] <harjot> nope.
[19:13] <TheGrammarFreak> Sorry, what did you do with your sources?
[19:13] <harjot> deleted the intrepid line which downloaded the wrong packages
[19:14] <TheGrammarFreak> did you replace it?
[19:14] <harjot> no i got rid of it
[19:14] <TheGrammarFreak> Is there anything in the sources list telling aptitude where to look?
[19:14] <harjot> yes the hardy repositories are still there
[19:15] <TheGrammarFreak> Hmm...
[19:15] <jussi01> harjot: tried: sudo apt-get install -f
[19:15] <harjot> its just that the packages are being heeld
[19:15] <jussi01> ?
[19:15] <TheGrammarFreak> How strange
[19:15] <harjot> jussi01: dont work
[19:15] <TheGrammarFreak> Try apt-get update
[19:15] <harjot> dont work
[19:15] <TheGrammarFreak> I don't know then
[19:15] <TheGrammarFreak> I'm sorry
[19:16] <harjot> the packages are now being held because my dependencies and other packages are too high
[19:16] <harjot> version
[19:16] <carolija> Procesor is 3000+
[19:16] <carolija> im in bios now
[19:16] <carolija> spped 1800mhz
[19:16] <TheGrammarFreak> Is that clocked right?
[19:17] <TheGrammarFreak> Anyhoo, I'm off
[19:17] <carolija> temp is 48 C
[19:17] <harjot> any1  can help???
[19:17] <carolija> CPU temp is 48 C
[19:17] <TheGrammarFreak> Sorry I couldn't be of more help harjot
[19:17] <harjot> thats ok
[19:17] <carolija> M/B Temp is 40 C
[19:17] <TheGrammarFreak> caroija, that temp. seems fine
[19:17] <carolija> hmmz
[19:17] <TheGrammarFreak> Bye all
[19:18] <carolija> bye TheGrammarFreak
[19:18] <carolija> so maybe i have problem with monitor ?
[19:18] <carolija> is it possible ?
[19:18] <harjot> does any1 know how to FORCE kubuntu to install apt packages [-f dont work]
[19:18] <carolija> to PC free coz of monitor
[19:18] <mustaffa> hi
[19:19] <mustaffa> how are yoi
[19:19] <mustaffa> you*
[19:19] <harjot> carolija: not likely....
[19:19] <ubunturos> !hi | mustaffa
[19:19] <carolija> so what can be than more harjot  ? any idea ?
[19:19] <carolija> to reinstall it or ro keep loking ....
[19:20] <harjot> what was mainly ur problem????
[19:20] <carolija> my problem is that my PC frezz all th tim
[19:20] <harjot> when
[19:20] <carolija> somethims he need 2 days , somethims 2 min
[19:20] <harjot> lol thats really random
[19:20] <carolija> yea..
[19:20] <harjot> my dad had the same problemo
[19:21] <carolija> and what h did ?
[19:21] <carolija> he*
[19:21] <harjot> well for a start, for him, processor intesive progrrams crashed the pc so he upgraded to 9.04 from 8.10
[19:22] <harjot> do u open any prgrams before i crashes???
[19:22] <carolija> depends, sometims not sometimes yes
[19:22] <carolija> sometimes he free before i login
[19:22] <carolija> freez*
[19:22] <harjot> ouch....
[19:23] <carolija> yea, really strange
[19:23] <carolija> ok, tnx for help ill go to work a little
[19:23] <harjot> have u updatead AALLL ur padckagees???
[19:23] <carolija> if i fix it let u know:)
[19:23] <carolija> no, not all
[19:23] <carolija> i don't need all
[19:23] <harjot> do that
[19:23] <harjot> update all recommended packages he did that
[19:24] <carolija> ahh, rcomanded i did that
[19:24] <harjot> ok
[19:24] <carolija> i was thing that u asking me for all
[19:24] <carolija> what is in heh:)
[19:24] <harjot> what graphics u use>?>>
[19:24] <carolija> hmm
[19:24] <harjot> intel????
[19:24] <carolija> lol, no i was in BIOS and he frez
[19:24] <carolija> thr is
[19:25] <carolija> ther*
[19:25] <rebecka> i have a problem with keyboard layout in kubuntu, im using swedish and polish and first everything works but then one of polish characters (produced by shift+l) disappears and new keyboaard layout appears (grey "flag" with a number 3) and in this
[19:25] <carolija> just as ec to see
[19:25] <harjot> but do u use intel for ur ssytem core etc...
[19:25] <rebecka> third layout i can produce this shift+l character
[19:25] <rebecka> anyone knows what the heck actually? :)
[19:25] <harjot> try reconfiguring the keyboard
[19:26] <cjae> Ok I really messed things up, I am running kde 4.2.3 from the ppa repo. I got a notification that I had 47 blocked updates and several other unblocked ones, so I used kpackage to try to install them
[19:26] <rebecka> i do - it fixes the problem just for a while, then this thing comes up again
[19:26] <harjot> GOD u pc has issues
[19:26] <harjot> btwq
[19:26] <harjot> 9.04 is good but has quiote a few bugs]
[19:27] <harjot> anyway 8.04 is still the best so far
[19:27] <harjot> 8.10 was a nice design but useless....
[19:28] <cjae> or kpackagekit so I didnt install them all so I searched 47 blocked updates in google, and found that it maybe attributed to issues with kpackagekit and someone reccommended sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:28] <harjot> thats all right actually
[19:28] <harjot> try it
[19:29] <cjae> so I did that and it listed some things that needed to be upgraded 16 megs, and now upon rebooting I have no xserver or an issue where both screens are black
[19:29] <harjot> right
[19:30] <cjae> does anyone know how to revert these upgrades or fix the issue
[19:30] <harjot> try sudo apt-get install .... --reinstall or something like thAT
[19:30] <carolija> harjot:  ATI Radeon 9600
[19:31] <carolija> i had talk about that with Mamarok
[19:31] <carolija> and he helpt me out
[19:31]  * daskreecH chuckles
[19:31] <carolija> but the pc still frezz
[19:31] <harjot> ok
[19:31] <daskreecH> carolija: What happens if you try to start X?
[19:31] <harjot> if it is a graphics issue, try the ati catalyst center
[19:31] <carolija> he start and after he frezz again
[19:31] <daskreecH> login and type sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[19:32] <carolija> i have no problem to start it
[19:32] <carolija> ok
[19:33] <daskreecH> having some issues booting an LVM drive it points to the /dev/mapper device and then fails to find /bin/sh
[19:33] <cjae> i get kdm and a gui login but screens goes black after that
[19:33] <daskreecH> cjae: Oh it goes black after you login?
[19:33] <cjae> daskreecH, yes
[19:34] <daskreecH> Hmm somethings wrong with kdeinit then
[19:34] <daskreecH> !lvm
[19:35] <carolija> daskreecH:  Starting K Display Manager: kdm already running.
[19:35] <carolija> i got that, is it help ?
[19:35] <cjae> daskreecH, I am thinking that maybe those packages were held back for a reason, and might not have been an issue with kpackagekit
[19:35] <daskreecH> carolija: Umm ok press alt+Ctrl+F7
[19:35] <harjot> i have the same packageing issue
[19:36] <daskreecH> cjae: Maybe. You should have done a sudo apt-get upgrade first
[19:36] <daskreecH> that does very simple nondangerous upgrades
[19:37] <carolija> daskreecH:  Broadcast message from root@s024
[19:37] <carolija>         (unknown) at 20:36 ...
[19:37] <daskreecH> carolija: Ok press alt+ctrl+F1 and you should be back where you were before
[19:37] <harjot> if u have other packages from a nother distro [i ve got some from 8.10 but im on 8.04] the dependencies get  messed up and gtherefore the the version is too high and so the pacckafes will nbe held
[19:37] <cjae> is there a way to revert these updates, I know about the differences of apt-get and aptitude, but I am not sure how good this can be reverted daskreecH
[19:37] <daskreecH> try sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[19:38] <daskreecH> cjae: check yur dpkg log to see what was installed and removed
[19:38] <harjot> guys read what i said
[19:39] <cjae> daskreecH, where is that located?
[19:39] <harjot> right gotogo
[19:39] <kaktuskatta> hi! I'm not able to play sound through ALSA or PulseAudio
[19:39] <daskreecH> in /var/log/
[19:40] <kaktuskatta> I've tried different things, and the only thing that seems to be working is the OSS drivers, /dev/dsp
[19:40] <kaktuskatta> The problem with those are the options, and that I'm not able to get the volume high enough
[19:40] <kaktuskatta> This was not a a problem when I used ubuntu
[19:41] <kaktuskatta> I edited /etc/group, added my username, didn't help much
[19:41] <kaktuskatta> any ideas?
[19:41] <kaktuskatta> As it is now, I'm barely able to hear a thing
[19:42] <kaktuskatta> VLC and others act all normal when ran from konsole
[19:42] <cjae> daskreecH, it is not likely to be an issue with xorg, right, but that is a major cause of the x server errors
[19:42] <daskreecH> cjae: If I were to lay a bet it would be that it's with the compositing being turned on in KDE
[19:43] <daskreecH> But I can't say that's what the issue is since I have no idea
[19:43] <cjae> daskreecH, are you usng kde 4.2?
[19:43] <daskreecH> yu can loko in ~/.xsession-errors to try and find out
[19:43] <daskreecH> In a manner of speaking
[19:43] <InforMed> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=193573   --- Can someone confirm this bug? It's annoying!
[19:45] <cjae> daskreecH, I have an nvidia card and all compositing was working great with the properitary drivers, except separate xscreens
[19:45] <daskreecH> cjae: I would have guessed intel but nvidia has been doing strange things with it's drivers recently too
[19:47] <cjae> daskreecH, what is an equivalent of wgetpaste in ubuntu so I could post the errors somewhere, since I dont have a desktop environment anymore
[19:47] <daskreecH> But again without some error trail to say what's causing it I can't say what may be the culprit
[19:47] <daskreecH> cjae: apt-get install pastebinit
[19:48] <unix> has anyohne here successfulkly installed flash 10?
[19:48] <cjae> and how do you use it daskreecH I have I sight idea but cli is so specific
[19:49] <daskreecH> either run a command with | pastebinit at the end or if you want to pastebin a file type pastebinit /path/to/file
[19:49] <kaktuskatta> unix: yes
[19:50] <unix> how?
[19:50] <cjae> daskreecH, and what site does that direct to, the ubuntu pastebin?
[19:50] <daskreecH> Yes
[19:50] <kaktuskatta> unix: Download the flash-packet from adobes homepage
[19:50] <daskreecH> it will return you a URL just give us the URL
[19:50] <unix> ive tried removing the previous flash plugin, downloading the new flash 10.deb, installed, and even placed the .so files in the plugins folder manually, and nothing works
[19:51] <cjae> daskreecH, ok I might be a second since I am on the windows partiton right now, thanks
[19:51] <daskreecH> unix: Did you purge the plugin or just remove it?
[19:51] <kaktuskatta> unix: http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/?promoid=BUIGP
[19:51] <daskreecH> cjae: It's on the same machine
[19:52] <daskreecH> ?
[19:52] <cjae> yes
[19:52] <kaktuskatta> unix: what browser?
[19:52] <unix> thats the one i downloaded that doesnt work
[19:52] <daskreecH> cjae: Do you have irrsi ?
[19:52] <unix> and firefox
[19:52] <daskreecH> Irssi ?
[19:52] <cjae> daskreecH, dual boot
[19:52] <unix> and i fully removed the flashplugin-nonfree before upgrading
[19:52] <unix>  from the .deb file on that page
[19:52] <cjae> daskreecH, which OS
[19:52] <unix> and it doesnt list the plugin
[19:53] <daskreecH> cjae:Linux when you login type sudo apt-get install irssi
[19:53] <cjae> daskreecH, I an not very proficent with irc
[19:53] <cjae> daskreecH, xchar
[19:53] <daskreecH> when thats done run irssi -c irc.ubuntu.com
[19:53] <cjae> xchat
[19:53] <cjae> ok
[19:53] <daskreecH> then type /join #kubuntu
[19:53] <cjae> ok
[19:54] <daskreecH> You will be in command line but logged into IRC and we can help you with things
[19:54] <daskreecH> makes it a lot faster
[19:54] <kaktuskatta> unix: no flashplugin appears when you type about:plugins in FF?
[19:54] <cjae> ok
[19:54] <unix> none
[19:54] <daskreecH> might want to write those down :-)
[19:54] <alarm> hello, is there any issue with the new kubuntu and firefox history ?
[19:54] <unix> and that is with the .so file in every possible plugin folder there is
[19:55] <unix> kaktuskatta are you on 8.04 or 9.04?
[19:55] <kaktuskatta> 9.04
[19:55] <unix> i bet thats why, i think its a bug in hardy
[19:56] <canen> for a couple years now i've been unable to browse samba shares using the share names in kde. the ip address works fine. anyone has this problem?
[19:56] <unix> everyone i have asked that says they have it working is using 9.04
[19:56] <InforMed> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=193573   --- Can someone confirm this bug? And help-me solve it!
[19:56] <cjae> daskreecH, would I have to be in a separate tty console with irssi? and looking for my files and such in another?
[19:56] <kaktuskatta> hmm... as you mention it... I do remember having some trouble with hardy and the newest flash. Do you really need the newest? I think I used flash 9
[19:57] <unix> its not that big of a deal, the flashplugin-nonfree one wors, i just cant watch hulu, or anything requiring flash 10
[19:57] <daskreecH> cjae: possibly but it's still alot faster and since we can help you it's pretty easy to switch back and forth
[19:58] <kaktuskatta> I C
[19:58] <unix> time to upgrade to 9.04 x.X
[19:59] <unix> im starting to hate ubuntu, everytime something new is released you have to upgrade spit x.X
[19:59] <cjae> daskreecH, no I was just wondering cause I have never used cli irc b4. ok will give it a shot brb
[19:59] <kaktuskatta> unix: Hehe....it's not that bad
[20:00] <kaktuskatta> unix: I was on hardy using gnome for a long time until recently because I was curious about KDE
[20:00] <unix> im actually using xubuntu
[20:00] <sparr> In KDE 4.2.2 when I click a plasma widget on the panel (K menu, network management, clock/calendar) and the themed result pops up, I see a black placeholder popup first, then the contents fill in.  I had this problem in 4.2.3 after many upgrades, and now in 4.2.2 on a fresh kubuntu 9.04 install.  Help?
[20:01] <unix> i guess i have to upgrade to 8.10, then 9.04
[20:01] <unix> x.X
[20:01] <unix> i dont have any more cds or i would just d/l the new image :P
[20:02] <unix> im just gonna try updating firefox first i guess
[20:03] <kaktuskatta> unix: It's possible to install from a flash disk, I've done that when I were in the same situation. However, this requires that your PC can boot from a USB stick
[20:04] <unix> yeah, i might do that if this doesnt work, rather than wait for another 3 hours for updates
[20:05] <kaktuskatta> unix: You don't happen to be some sort of audio genious by chance?
[20:05] <unix> why what you need?
[20:05] <kaktuskatta> unix: I'm not able to play sound !
[20:05] <unix> with what program?
[20:06] <harjot> who has falsh issues???
[20:06] <harjot> flash??
[20:06] <unix> everyone does harjot
[20:06] <kaktuskatta> any program as long as I set it to ALSA
[20:06] <unix> im trying to upgrade my firefox to see if that works
[20:06] <harjot> ?????is that meant to be a joke???????
[20:06] <unix> your using 8.04 right harjot?
[20:07] <unix> does the sound work when you set it to oss?
[20:07] <kaktuskatta> unix: the only sound driver working is the OSS driver, which all in all is not that compatible with other applications than a few selected
[20:07] <harjot> unix: yes
[20:07] <kaktuskatta> unix: This wasn't a problem when I was on hardy
[20:08] <kaktuskatta> unix: Neither pulseaudio nor ALSA works now, quite annoying
[20:08] <unix> harjot all i can say i know so far is try to upgrade your firefox to the latest version then install the plugin
[20:08] <kaktuskatta> I've checked /etc/group and made some changes, but no luck
[20:08] <unix> and kaktuskatta; that is wierd indeed
[20:08] <harjot> no, my flash works fine with sound and alll
[20:09] <kaktuskatta> as long as the app sends sound to the /dev/dsp it works (this is OSS), but the support in different apps is close to none
[20:09] <unix> do you have two cards installed on the computer?
[20:09] <harjot> how do i remove intrepid packages from an 8.04 system
[20:10] <Mamarok> daskreecH: don't chuckle too loud, I might hear you :)
[20:10] <cjae> daskreecH, ok I installed irssi and used irrssi -c irc.ubuntu.com be is refuses connection
[20:10] <unix> until yesterday i had a similar problem with sound, as i had two cards in the computer, one onboard and my soundblaster
[20:11] <unix> i had to keep switching back and forth between the two for different things, if thats the case with yours, i would suggest removing one card
[20:11] <kaktuskatta> unix: I don't have two cards, this is a laptop
[20:12] <cjae> is there something the gui would be doing to make it through the firewall? I see I must connect to port 8001 so I assume that must need to be forwarded
[20:12] <cjae> daskreecH,
[20:12] <kaktuskatta> unix: what i do have, is a TV-capture card. This is sometimes detected as some sort of audio equipment, but I don't think that's it
[20:12] <unix> oh lol i dunno then, this is why i was saying im getting sick of ubuntu, it took me three days to install my gfx drivers, and there not even on my gpy supported list, which is ignorant
[20:12] <unix> but thats ubuntu for you
[20:13] <cjae> since I have never had to port forwarded for irc before? daskreecH
[20:13] <kaktuskatta> unix: not related to the distro, you would have the same problem in eg. fedora
[20:13] <kaktuskatta> unix: the problems is the lack of good drivers
[20:13] <unix> i just randomly installed about 30 nvidia drivers, and one of the oldest linux ones in existance worked
[20:13] <unix> and it doesnt even support my card
[20:14] <unix> yeah :P
[20:14] <kaktuskatta> unix: the socalled restricted drivers should give you the best performance, that is if they exist
[20:14] <kaktuskatta> unix: ATi is said to be better supported in unix systems
[20:15] <unix> yeah, i tried that right off the bat, and they didnt work
[20:15] <unix> i used the nvidia-glx-new driver
[20:15] <unix> tand its version is 169.07.03
[20:15] <kaktuskatta> unix: Not in my case. I recently discovered that their drivers are incompatible with Jaunty
[20:15] <kaktuskatta> unix: Weee
[20:15] <unix> i switched to the one off nvidias site thats 169.07.01 and it works, but my fx5500 isnt even supported by that driver, so says nvidias site
[20:16] <kaktuskatta> unix: Oh, the irony. If I just stayed with hardy, the drivers would be supported
[20:16] <unix> yet you need jaunty for flash lol
[20:16] <unix> gotta love linux xD
[20:16] <kaktuskatta> unix: there's always something
[20:17] <kaktuskatta> unix: that being said, I wouldnt go back to windowa
[20:17] <unix> i was using win7 up until recently, i just decided to switch back to linux for a lower latency on a few online games
[20:18] <kaktuskatta> unix: The vast amount of free software, the stability (usually), and the price talked me into it
[20:18] <unix> but imo win7 is 10x what ubuntu will ever be
[20:19] <unix> be back in a bit though, ive been talking and still havent gotten my firefox updated lol
[20:19] <kaktuskatta> unix: I'm not so sure, most of the fancy things you can do in win7 is close to what's possible with good graphic drivers in ubuntu
[20:19] <cjae> daskreecH, are you here?
[20:20] <kaktuskatta> unix: Gotta go, I have to start packing. I'm taking a flight tomorrow morning :)
[20:20] <unix> cya
[20:20] <kaktuskatta> unix: nice talking to you. Good luck with flash!
[20:20] <unix> hopefully it works once i get this upgraded :P
[20:20] <cjae> is anyone else using irssi? do I have to do more than irssi -c irc.ubuntu.com, like do I have to irssi -c irc.ubuntu.com/8001 or must I forward that port in router?
[20:25] <Mamarok> cjae: usually I do /con freenode
[20:26] <cjae> so irssi /con freenode
[20:28] <phoenixz> When plasma crashes and does not auto-restart.. How can I start plasma again? I recall in 4.1 I could just run "plasma" from ALT-F2, but in KDE4.3 beta I can not start it manually anymore
[20:28] <cjae> Mamarok, what I am wondering is that, I must be because its using port 8001 and not 6667, do most router software accept connectoion for irc on 6667 by default
[20:29] <Mamarok> cjae: I start irssi in a screen session so I am always online
[20:29] <Mamarok> cjae: default for IRC is 6667, you should use that
[20:30] <harjot> windows sucks so badly
[20:30] <harjot> kubuntu = OS 1/2/3/4
[20:30] <Mamarok> harjot: please, no OS bashing here...
[20:30] <cjae> Mamarok, but then you get those dcc exploits do you? I am thinking I could just use irssi -c irc.freenode.net cause it uses 6667 right?
[20:30] <harjot> aohhhhhh......... i like killing windows it deleted my 20% from my exam
[20:30] <Mamarok> phoenixz: start plasma in a konsole tab
[20:30] <canen> i found a solution to the samba issue. good thingh i decide to investigate once again http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1169149
[20:31] <harjot> how do i remove intrepid packages from an 8.04 system
[20:31] <harjot> becasue all dependensies are mixed up
[20:31] <harjot> now
[20:31] <phoenixz> Mamarok: already gottit from KDE channel, its plasma-desktop, for anybody interrested..
[20:31] <phoenixz> Mamarok: thanks anyway!
[20:31] <Mamarok> harjot: ... why did you add those?
[20:31] <Mamarok> phoenixz: you are welcome :)
[20:32] <cjae> Mamarok, or what can I issue to make irc.ubuntu.com use 6667 ?
[20:32] <harjot> i didnt so,mething went wrong....
[20:32] <Mamarok> cjae: irssi needs some tweaking first, did you make a configuration file?
[20:33] <cjae> no
[20:33] <harjot> it somehow had intrepid repositoreies and isntalled upadtes for itnrepid [ouch.......]
[20:33] <phoenixz> Im using Kubuntu 9.04 with KDE4.3 beta installed. Im experimenting with vlans, and now have eth0 and eth0.110. The latter now carries my network connection.. I all did this from command line, but right now the plasma network applet basically shows me as not having network connection. Also, all apps using networking go haywire.. Firefox for example, stays in "offline mode" while there is network.. Is this a bug, or just a result of doing stuff manually?
[20:33] <harjot> so i cant update and I NEED to
[20:33] <Mamarok> cjae: normally it creates a default one
[20:33] <Mamarok> cjae: check in .irssi for the conf file
[20:34] <cjae> Mamarok, ok
[20:34] <harjot> i cant even install irssi!?!?!?
[20:34] <harjot> because i cant download
[20:34] <Mamarok> phoenixz: result of your tweaking, it expects things elsewhere
[20:34] <harjot> so im using ******** windoze
[20:34] <harjot> fro irc
[20:34] <Mamarok> harjot: behave, please!
[20:34] <harjot> soz
[20:34] <harjot> are u a moderator
[20:34] <Mamarok> harjot: do you have your /home on a separate partition?
[20:35] <harjot> yes
[20:35] <harjot> dual boot
[20:35] <phoenixz> Mamarok: I suppose KDE doesnt know much yet about vlans?
[20:35] <harjot> but i can read from windows my ext3 dreove
[20:35] <harjot> drive
[20:35] <Mamarok> phoenixz: I really don't know, newer used that, must me pretty experimental I guess
[20:35] <cjae> Mamarok, what I am asking is in most router software is 6667 enabled by default? and this would be why I have never needed to open ports for irc?
[20:36] <Mamarok> harjot: when I say /home on a different partition I mean not on the same as the / folders
[20:36] <phoenixz> Mamarok: I suppose its pretty new yes, but its quite easy actually..
[20:36] <harjot> its on the ext3 patition
[20:36] <Mamarok> cjae: 6667 is the default port for IRC, always :)
[20:36] <harjot> i only have 2 partitions [windows and kubuntu] not including swap
[20:37] <Mamarok> harjot: so you only have one ext3 partition, whihc means you do *not* have /home on a separate partition
[20:37] <Mamarok> which*
[20:37] <cjae> Mamarok, I am not trying to be rude but I am not sure you have answered my question
[20:37] <harjot> why do u ask???
[20:37] <Mamarok> harjot: because that would have allowed you to just reinstall Kubuntu, without losing your /home stuff
[20:37] <harjot> good idea
[20:38] <harjot> would it also be an idea to get rid of windoze to???
[20:38] <harjot> if i use the livecd to copy
[20:38] <Mamarok> harjot: you should consider maing a second ext3 parition, how big is the current one?
[20:38] <harjot> 110gb
[20:38] <harjot> for a latop
[20:39] <Mamarok> harjot: if you really want to remove windows completely, you can just install Linux in the Windows partition, but there is no going back unless you have a recovery CD for Windows
[20:39] <harjot> but the thing is mykubuntu has been setup so nicely esoecially for things like toolchains
[20:39] <harjot> btw if u install kubutnu first u have a faster os cause it reads on the outside or something faster
[20:39] <cjae> Mamarok, the reason I ask is because I have never needed to port forward for irc with a gui client but now that I am trying with a cli (or ncurses one) I cannot connect
[20:39] <marco111> cauky
[20:40] <cjae> but I can ping irc.ubuntu.com Mamarok
[20:40] <cjae> so the issue has to be with me
[20:40] <Mamarok> cjae: I think so, start with the default settings before tweaking stuff, it's easier :)
[20:41] <cjae> Mamarok, I didnt irc.ubuntu.com uses port 8001 by default now with irssi
[20:42] <Mamarok> hm, my default port is 6667
[20:42] <harjot> Mamarok: what do u suggest i do??? last option = reinstall
[20:42] <jussi01> Mamarok: probably cause you have copied the config over from old ones, no?
[20:42] <Mamarok> harjot: why do you not want to upgrade to Intrepid?
[20:43] <jussi01> most of the clients in kubuntu are patched to 8001 now
[20:43] <Mamarok> jussi01: might well be, I have this cinfig for Irssi since ages :)
[20:43] <sparr> People tell me that Qt4 is slow, is there a way to get KDE4 to use Qt3?
[20:43] <Mamarok> config*
[20:43] <cjae> Mamarok, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/irssi/+bug/263259
[20:43] <jussi01> sparr: no
[20:43] <Mamarok> sparr: no way, KDE4 is based on Qt4
[20:43] <cjae> .
[20:43] <Mamarok> sparr: and it's not slow, don't know who told you that
[20:43] <jussi01> sparr: there is a jaunty version with kde3 though
[20:43] <sparr> jussi01: I know, I'm installing it tonight
[20:44] <cjae> brb
[20:44] <Mamarok> a non official one
[20:44] <harjot> becuase hardy is bug free alsmost and has little issues with intel + if i wante4d to udate i cant know
[20:44] <sparr> KDE 4 will be ready in another eyar or two I think
[20:44] <jussi01> Mamarok: yes, an unofficial one (thanks)
[20:44] <Mamarok> harjot: aaahh, bug free...
[20:45] <jussi01> sparr: try to keep it to tecnichal questions in here, rather than opinions
[20:45] <sparr> jussi01: Every "technical question" I ask ends up with "KDE 4 is just slower like that, get used to it"
[20:45] <harjot> yes im also a c programer who is 12 years old!!!!
[20:45] <sparr> or "That feature isn't in KDE 4"
[20:45] <Mamarok> sparr: still its OT here, so please respect that
[20:46] <daskreecH> sparr: No need to get used to it :-)
[20:46] <Mamarok> daskreecH: ...
[20:47] <Mamarok> harjot: can you save your date from /home?
[20:47] <Mamarok> data*
[20:47] <harjot> yes
[20:47] <harjot> but i really dont want to lose config
[20:47] <Mamarok> what config is it exactly?
[20:48] <Mamarok> harjot: you mean installed packages?
[20:48] <harjot> no
[20:48] <Mamarok> harjot: if you save all your /home and the /etc folder this saves the configuration files
[20:48] <harjot> things like toolchains for programming stuff like remotejoy which tolk months to get working
[20:48] <sparr> Mamarok: prior to the decision being made to abandon KDE 3, where would it have been on-topic to discuss (and argue against) the transition?
[20:49] <harjot> toolchains etc /./
[20:49] <harjot> are stored elsewhere [dunnno where
[20:49] <harjot> ]
[20:49] <Mamarok> sparr: this is a support channel, discussion is in #kubuntu-offtopic
[20:49] <harjot> but u might have a point about reinstalling]
[20:49] <Mamarok> harjot: and you don't know where those are installed?
[20:50] <Mamarok> harjot: so you didn't do it yourself?
[20:50] <sparr> Mamarok: ok, I will restrict my questions to actually resolving my problems then
[20:50] <cjae> yea
[20:50] <Mamarok> sparr: thanks
[20:51] <cjae> Mamarok: ok how do you close irssi?
[20:51] <harjot> no installed it but dont know where the packages go and cant be stuffed [im only 12]!
[20:51] <Mamarok> cjae:  just do /quit
[20:51] <cjae> ok
[20:51] <Mamarok> harjot: what toolchains are you talking about?
[20:52] <harjot> PSP pacifically [lol about grammar]
[20:52] <Mamarok> harjot: if thoe are regular packages, then the config files are either in /home or /etc anyway
[20:52] <Mamarok> those*
[20:52] <harjot> thats not eevn a package or not regualar
[20:53] <harjot> ok i might reconsider ur option but kubuntus to pretty to die!!!!
[20:53] <Mamarok> harjot: just reinstall it after you save the /home and /etc folders
[20:54] <Mamarok> make a backup with rsync
[20:54] <sparr> Any time I see a plasma-themed (please correct my terminology if needed) screen element displayed, I first see a blank black background of the element, then the contents appear.  This happened in KDE 4.1, 4.2.2, 4.2.3, on debian unstable, kubuntu intrepid, kubuntu jaunty, with nvidia, nv, or vesa video drivers.  How can I fix this?
[20:54] <harjot> problem i cant get into kdm only tty
[20:54] <daskreecH> sparr: You mean a plasmoid?
[20:55] <daskreecH> Or anything against a pllasma element Panels menus etc ?
[20:55] <harjot> ok i create seccind partition and reinstall kubuntu
[20:56] <harjot> but how would i get it to automatically reinstall the packages i lose or at leat have a list of whta to install
[20:56] <Mamarok> harjot: save your data first!
[20:56] <cjae> http://pastebin.com/f4e60dd55
[20:56] <Mamarok> harjot: you can get a list of the packages, just beware you have Intrepid packages too in your system
[20:56] <sparr> daskreecH: I am not sure.  I am referring to the things that appear when left clicking on the K menu, Device Notifier, Network Managment, or Clock  widgets on my panel
[20:57] <Mamarok> sparr: wrong channel...
[20:57] <harjot> how do i get a list???
[20:57] <daskreecH> sparr: pop up menus ?
[20:57] <Mamarok> oops, /me is confised now
[20:57] <sparr> Mamarok: how is this not a technical question?!?
[20:57] <daskreecH> or context menus as they are called?
[20:57] <sparr> daskreecH: i wouldnt call the calendar a menu
[20:57] <Mamarok> sparr: sorry, misreaed and switched channels too fast, my bad
[20:57] <daskreecH> oh left click
[20:57] <daskreecH> sorry
[20:57] <Mamarok> harjot: wait, I get you the instruction
[20:58] <cjae> how do I select text in cli eg. when I used pastebinit ~/.xsession-errors, how can I highlight the url to paste in here?
[20:58] <daskreecH> sparr: do you have compositing on?
[20:58] <daskreecH> cjae: hi :)
[20:58] <daskreecH> cjae: Umm not sure I was told there is a way but I normally just transcribe
[20:59] <cjae> daskreecH: hi :) I finally got it
[20:59] <daskreecH> sparr: You have compositing on?
[20:59] <sparr> I don't know.  Don't think so.  I am running Kubuntu 9.04 fresh out of the box.
[20:59] <cjae> in slackware there is a way to use the mouse in cli, but I cant remember what its called
[21:00] <Mamarok> harjot: check here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=479071
[21:00] <cjae> daskreecH: did you see my pastebin?
[21:00] <sparr> daskreecH: how can i check if compositing is on?
[21:01] <daskreecH> sparr: when you press alt+tab do you get a white vertical box with the list of the programs open or does the program fade back with a horizontal visual listing of the programs?
[21:01] <daskreecH> cjae: No what was it?
[21:01] <harjot> ok ty
[21:01] <daskreecH> I just came back from the supermarket
[21:01] <cjae> http://pastebin.com/f4e60dd55 daskreecH
[21:01] <Mamarok> harjot: there also is an option synaptic to do that btw
[21:01] <sparr> daskreecH: im using VNC right now, can't alt+tab, another way to check?
[21:02] <harjot> i cant use synaptic
[21:02] <daskreecH> sparr: umm press alt+F3 and check window behaviour See if desktop effects is checked as enabled
[21:02]  * cjae would like to thank Mamarok and daskreecH for helping him to use cli irc
[21:02] <Mamarok> harjot: ok, never mind then
[21:02] <daskreecH> cjae: It's very helpful
[21:02] <Mamarok> cjae: yaw :)
[21:03] <sparr> daskreecH: Desktop Effects are not enabled
[21:03] <daskreecH> ok let me turn mine off then
[21:03] <harjot> thanks mamarak
[21:03] <harjot> bye
[21:03] <daskreecH> Mamarok: Does KDE need knotify running?
[21:03] <sparr> daskreecH: I would point out, however, that with both gnome and kde 3 I am able to run compiz with all the bells and whistles (with the nvidia driver, not the other two)
[21:04] <daskreecH> sparr: ah ok Yes for a split second there is a black box before that widget is painted
[21:04] <Mamarok> daskreecH: yes, if you want the infos to pop up
[21:04] <cjae> daskreecH: what is transcribing
[21:05] <daskreecH> Mamarok: Look at cjae's pastebin kdeinit dies as soon as knotify starts what could cause that?
[21:05] <daskreecH> cjae: Looking at the URL and then retyping it over here :)
[21:05] <Mamarok> cjae: got it
[21:05] <daskreecH> sparr: what about the black box?
[21:06] <sparr> daskreecH: can I cite you when people tell me "no one else has that problem"?
[21:06] <daskreecH> You can cite whoever you like
[21:06] <mikro> cjae: look for gpm
[21:06] <daskreecH> Why is it a problem for you?
[21:07] <sparr> because that "split second" can be a tenth of a second, or a whole second, depending on what else is going on
[21:07] <sparr> and when the vnc screen updates
[21:07] <Mamarok> daskreecH: that's not knotify4 that kills it, it's another process
[21:07] <daskreecH> sparr: Ah well What KDE is doing is triple buffering the image
[21:08] <Mamarok> daskreecH: looks like something is not installed correctly, missing packages or missing conf, kbuildsycoca4 is running repeatedly
[21:08] <daskreecH> Here it does it visibly the first time (part of a second) after that I don't see it again
[21:08] <Mamarok> cjae: you are trying to run KDE4 in a VM?
[21:08] <daskreecH> I"m guessing the network latency makes it a lot more pronounced for you
[21:08] <tnuic> hi, I installed ubuntu via Wubi and now I installed the kubuntu package... is there a way or script to set the default programs according to kubuntu? for example, mp3 are associated to totem
[21:08] <daskreecH> Mamarok: cjae was told to do a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade which resulted in this situation
[21:09] <sparr> daskreecH: its pretty bad non-vnc too, especially when cpu usage is high
[21:09] <daskreecH> Yes well if it's not doing compositing then the CPU is going to be doing the drawing so that would exaggerate it
[21:09] <cjae> sorry to whoever is asking questions because I was in aother tty and I just figred out how to page up in the channel lol
[21:09] <Mamarok> cjae: which KDE4 are you running?
[21:10] <cjae> I will try to answer quickly no I am not on  vm
[21:10] <mikro> cjae: look for gpm
[21:10] <cjae> mikro: thanks that is it
[21:10] <daskreecH> As I recall (don't take this a gospel) they were working on a containment that would be suitable for terminal sessions and other situations where there is a network involved and the host machine has very little resources
[21:11] <coz_> hey guys...how do I open dolphin as root
[21:11] <daskreecH> that would probably hepl your situation. As it stands you can set some KDE variables to make it stop doing all the buffering and so on
[21:11] <coz_> via terminal
[21:11] <daskreecH> coz_: You really shouldn't but kdesudo dolphin
[21:11] <coz_> ok let me try hold on
[21:12] <cjae> Mamarok: I am using kde 4.2.3
[21:13] <Mamarok> cjae: did you do an upgrade today? there have been package problems earlier, solved now
[21:14] <daskreecH> sparr: I don't remember what those variable names are :) But #kde would probably be able to tell you Qt can probably also be toned down
[21:14] <cjae> Mamarok: yes I was just trying again since I logged into another tty and it told me about updates Mamarok
[21:14] <cjae> brb
[21:15] <daskreecH> Most of  the graphics work in Qt is heading toward more things being done on the videocard If you can't or don't want to you should turn on fallbacks to the old way of drawing on the CPU
[21:15] <daskreecH> (conservatively)
[21:17] <umar> Any one know How to mount USB  HDD 120 Gp
[21:17] <umar> Any one know How to mount USB  HDD 120 Gb
[21:18] <genii> umar: Is it formatted?
[21:18] <daskreecH> umar: open Dolphin it should be on the left panel. Click it
[21:18] <daskreecH> Anyone knows if I can safely fsck a lvscanned partition that's under LVm ?
[21:19] <cjae> nope still broken
[21:19] <diego__> Hi! My cdrom doesn't show up in the file manager (dolphin). How can I make it appear?
[21:19] <umar> well its gaving me error cannot mount driver or unable to mount volime
[21:21] <Mamarok> cjae: the repo is fixed for the update, did you get any errors while updating now?
[21:23] <cjae> Mamarok: I still get black screen after kdm login, just a mouse
[21:23] <ToreadorVampire> Hmm, 4.2.4 is safe now right?
[21:24] <Mamarok> cjae: is this new in Jaunty or were you running something else before?
[21:24] <diego__> Sorry if this is a stupid question. I would normally look it up throughly in the intertubes, but I'm in a bit of a hurry right now. Can anybody tell me please how to mount my cdrom in kde?
[21:24] <Mamarok> ToreadorVampire: so I have been told, yes
[21:24] <ToreadorVampire> Good news
[21:24] <ToreadorVampire> Well, I was going to try 4.2.3 this evening, but looks like it's gonna be 4.2.4 now
[21:25] <Mamarok> diego__: use the device notifier widget
[21:25] <daskreecH> diego__: sudo mount /dev/cdrom
[21:25] <cjae> Mamarok: my setup is one monitor dvi and tv out to plasma 1080p screen, twinview no xinerama, nvidia fx6200 properitary driver jaunty 9.04 kde 4.2.3
[21:27] <cjae> Mamarok: with the latest updates... I saw the updates earlier today, but 47 of them were blcoked
[21:27] <cjae> blocked
[21:27] <Mamarok> cjae: are there still packages held back?
[21:28] <cjae> Mamarok: I thought it was a problem with kpackagekit, since it has had some issues, so I did a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and now I have no wm
[21:28] <Mamarok> cjae: dist-upgrade? why?
[21:28] <cjae> Mamarok: no not that I know of
[21:29] <Mamarok> cjae: ina a regular release there is no need for dist-upgrade
[21:29] <Mamarok> you only do this when you change release
[21:29] <daskreecH> UNless you have ppas
[21:29] <daskreecH> or more generally third party repos
[21:30] <sparr> daskreecH: I ask all these same questions in #kde.  they mostly blame it on kubuntu
[21:30] <Mamarok> daskreecH: he already was on Jaunty...
[21:30] <cjae> Mamarok: read it in the forum, used it in the 8.10 distro when had issues using  the ppa for kde 4.2.0
[21:30] <Mamarok> cjae: could you check your sources.list if there still is Jaunty everywhere?
[21:30] <cjae> Mamarok: ok
[21:30] <daskreecH> sparr: nice :) So they won't tell you what variables would change that?
[21:30]  * Mamarok uses aptitude save-upgrade
[21:31] <daskreecH> Mamarok: yes but if he has a third party repo and it updates he gets notified and then might need a dist-upgrade depending on what htey are feeding
[21:31] <daskreecH> Assuming that cjae is a he
[21:32] <daskreecH> hi robertknight
[21:32] <sparr> daskreecH: you're the first person to reproduce the problem, mention triple buffering, or even hint that there might be a solution.  half the answers ive gotten have amounted to "Qt4 is slower, get used to it"
[21:32] <cjae> Mamarok: yes all jaunty
[21:33] <daskreecH> sparr: so you got two answers then?
[21:33] <daskreecH> Mine and another?
[21:34] <robertknight> daskreecH: hello
[21:34] <daskreecH> sparr: I think that other people probably have it but it's a very very short period of time it's there and the more you use it the shorter it becmoes
[21:34] <Mamarok> cjae: then I don't know, and I'm not the best to answer things realted to more than one screen/xinerama
[21:34] <daskreecH> I think I can see it because I'm running on a live CD so I just booted up into a pristine environment and I have no buffer
[21:35] <Mamarok> related* even
[21:35] <sparr> daskreecH: ive been stuck using KDE 4 for over a year now, adn it never goes away
[21:35] <daskreecH> sparr: even now if I click on the calendar or the Kmenu I can't see it anymore unless I look
[21:35] <daskreecH> if I click on say the device notifier I see it again
[21:35] <cjae> Mamarok: so your saying there was issues with those packages earlier and that was likely why they were blocked
[21:36] <daskreecH> sparr: Right so we need to find out what is the bottleneck for your usecase and address it.
[21:36] <sparr> It *seems* like I don't see the delay when the content is static (cached?).  But most widgets produce dynamic content every time you click them
[21:36] <daskreecH> Have you filed a bug gainst KDE ?
[21:36] <cjae> Mamarok: and I sort forced installed them and hosed the system
[21:36] <cjae> sort of*
[21:36] <daskreecH> sparr: Seems likely since it's pulling a buffered image
[21:36] <cjae> Mamarok: is there a way to revert?
[21:37] <daskreecH> If the buffered image isn't consistent with the object it's regenerated and then bufferd in the video card in RAM and the hard drive
[21:37] <sparr> daskreecH: I've spent a year trying to find a single other person who can reproduce the issue, filing a bug report before now would have been pointless
[21:37] <Mamarok> cjae: ok, so you did force those when there were vlocked?
[21:37] <Mamarok> blocked*
[21:37] <daskreecH> sparr: Well you say it takes several seconds which is unusual
[21:38] <Mamarok> cjae: which means you have a bunch of non working packages...
[21:38] <daskreecH> I recall someone who worked on plasma I think saw someone with a Terminal Server run KDE4 and said across a network it's a very different effect so I think it might be known but just no one has enough info to attack it
[21:38] <cjae> Mamarok: well no, I am not sure, kpackagekit told me that they were blocked, but used to say that with flash non free too
[21:38] <daskreecH> sparr: Want to pop over to #plasma ad see what they say?
[21:38] <Mamarok> cjae: revert no, but reinstall those packages might solve the problem
[21:39] <cjae> Mamarok: ok but I just installed a little while ago
[21:39] <cjae> Mamarok: the broken packages that is
[21:40] <Mamarok> cjae: cjae you can see which packages you have to reinstall in the PPA repo
[21:40] <cjae> ok
[21:41] <cjae> Mamarok: are you familiar with the issues in getting kde 4.2.- on 8.10 with the ppa repo then
[21:41] <Mamarok> cjae: you will have to reinstall all those you forced earlier
[21:41] <Mamarok> cjae: yes, I did run Intrepid for quite some time with KDE 4.2.2
[21:42] <cjae> Mamarok: and until they made it in the adept where you check the box to install kde 4.2 the ppa broke a lot of thing too
[21:43] <cjae> Mamarok: I found a page then, that said something about rebuilding the kde window manager and that worked for me then
[21:44] <Mamarok> cjae: well, that depends on the packages you have installed on your system, I might have been lucky so far, but I'm also used to reinstall systems a lot :)
[21:44] <cjae> Mamarok: but I cannot remember the command now
[21:44] <Mamarok> especially when running alpha releases, but never with beta so far
[21:44] <Mamarok> cjae: having /home on a separate partition is usually quite useful
[21:44] <cjae> sudo apt-get kdewindowmanger install --reinstall or something
[21:45] <cjae> Mamarok: yes thats how I do it too
[21:45] <Mamarok> cjae: last idea: did you try moving your ~/.kde/ to .kde_old/ and restart kdm?
[21:45] <sparr> daskreecH: can't hurt to try
[21:46] <cjae> #/home and then deleted all ~/. files and reinstall Mamarok
[21:47] <Mamarok> cjae: ?
[21:47] <cjae> Mamarok: no but I will, what is a ncurses or cli web browser? lynx
[21:47] <cjae> Mamarok: I was agreeing with you separate partition theory
[21:47] <Mamarok> cjae: I mean just mv ~/.kde/ ~.kde_old/ in your home folder
[21:48] <Mamarok> cjae: did you try that?
[21:48] <iivv> what are 'blocked updates'?
[21:48] <Mamarok> iivv: those are packages with wrong dependencies
[21:48] <Mamarok> iivv: you have that now?
[21:48] <cjae> Mamarok: I know, but you said about having to reinstall sometimes, no I havent tried to make kde rebuild .kde yet
[21:48] <iivv> mamarok: i have about 31 blocked updates
[21:49] <Mamarok> cjae: try it, worth a try before foring a reinstall on n packages
[21:49] <cjae> Mamarok: cli browser?
[21:49] <Mamarok> iivv: now or did you try an upgrade arlier?
[21:49] <Mamarok> cjae: in a terminal
[21:49] <cjae> Mamarok: sorry web browser
[21:50] <Mamarok> iivv: upgrade from what to what?
[21:50] <iivv> mamarok: when kde told me i had updates about an hour or so ago
[21:50] <Mamarok> cjae: yes, lynx, but there should be newer ones
[21:50] <cjae> links
[21:50] <cjae> ?
[21:51] <cjae> those are the only two I know and I think one is no availiable for ubuntu
[21:52] <Mamarok> cjae: there also is links and W3m
[21:53] <Mamarok> iivv: what version are you talking about?
[21:53] <greg___> Hello all, I have a DEL XPS210 Mem=1gig CPU Dual D'S 2.8GHz Running Kubuntu KDE4.2.2 Problem,, Everytime I run Firefox my system CPU goes to 100% both of them system locks and after about 2 minutes it frees up. Used HTOP to view processes. Any body have this problem or a variation of it?? Any solutions?? BTY Seamonkey runs great, but I like the features of FF.
[21:53] <iivv> mamarok: i'm running jaunty...
[21:54] <Mamarok> iivv: and which version of KDE4? would be nice to have the full picture :)
[21:54] <iivv> i think i'm running 4.2.3
[21:54] <Mamarok> greg___: could be one of the plugins, try removing one after the other to find out which it is
[21:55] <Mamarok> iivv: that's something to be sure about, no?
[21:55] <Mamarok> iivv: did you do it in kpackagekit or in the command line?
[21:56] <iivv> kpackagekit. kwin -- version says kde v4.2.4...
[21:56] <greg___> Mamarok THanx for quick response, I tried that, shoud have told you in the message sorry about that, any other ideas?
[21:56] <Mamarok> iivv: please go to a command line and run sudo apt-get update
[21:57] <Mamarok> greg___: well, flash is the most likely culprit
[21:57] <iivv> ok
[21:58] <Mamarok> iivv: then run sudo apt-get upgrade and tell me if there still are errors
[21:59] <greg___> If it is , should a user abandon the flash feature?? One problem begets another Thanx Manarok
[22:00] <cjae> and one know how to press the back button in w3m
[22:01] <Mamarok> greg___: I use Opera 10 beta for flash, usually can handle it much better than firefox, but that is not an official or supported recommendation :)
[22:02] <Mamarok> greg___: also, youtube runs fine in konqueror too :)
[22:02] <ToreadorVampire> Right, now to see if KDE 4.2.4 is any good ... if I'm not back within 5 mins then it sucks ;)
[22:04] <iivv> mamarok: W: GPG error: http://ftp.de.debian.org lenny Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B
[22:04] <iivv> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2836CB0A8AC93F7A
[22:04] <iivv> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[22:05] <Mamarok> iivv: well, these are not blocked packages but missing gpg keys :)
[22:05] <jussi01> iivv: first, dont mix debian and ubuntu repos.
[22:05] <iivv> :/
[22:05] <greg___> Mamarok, The deep cabal is alive and well :)  I hate to leave Mozilla however I kinda cling to things that work, just one of those strange fobias of mine. I'll try Kpackeage Kit P.S I think uname -a will give him his KDE VERSION
[22:05] <jussi01> !debian
[22:06] <jussi01> !gpgerr | iivv
[22:06] <Mamarok> greg___: I think we know it by now :)
[22:07] <Mamarok> I'm off to bed, gn8 everyone
[22:07] <greg___> Mamarok, My fingers are stiff as i just go off the golf course sorry for the delay :))
[22:07] <iivv> i'll work on the repositories after my 40 previously blocked updates installl
[22:07] <iivv> thanks mamarok
[22:08] <Mamarok> greg___: nm, my eyes are closing
[22:08] <greg___> No space in golfcourse... See what i mean?
[22:08] <Mamarok> iivv: yaw :)
[22:08] <ToreadorVampire> Yay!
[22:08] <ToreadorVampire> Nothing exploded :)
[22:08] <greg___> Where do you live Mamarok? must be late
[22:08] <ToreadorVampire> (so far)
[22:14] <cjae> Mamarok: I never used options like -f or force all I did was a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:14] <RProgrammer> I think my system is not using my graphics card at all.
[22:15] <cjae> Mamarok: I said before that I forced it
[22:15] <iivv> um
[22:15] <iivv> kpackagekit error:
[22:15] <iivv> The backend took too much time to process the synchronous request - you need to fork!
[22:15] <iivv> !fork
[22:15] <iivv> worth a try
[22:17] <cjae> Mamarok: what did you say about what packages were installed and how I should try to reinstall them. I tried mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.old and no luck
[22:20] <LeeJunFan> Ugh, I see they still haven't fixed dolphin so the mouse pointer changes in single click mode.
[22:23] <borda2> hi
[22:23] <noren> hello everyone can any1 here help me get the stocks plasmoid i m unable to do si
[22:25] <noren> do we have any stokc plasmoid in kubuntu
[22:25] <noren> stocks
[22:29] <ghostsan> i dl the flash player recorde for firefox on kubuntu, but how do i use it??
[22:29] <ghostsan> <<<<< new to comps :(
[22:31] <ign0ramus> ghostsan, the flash plugin, like to view youtube and such?
[22:31] <ghostsan> yes
[22:31] <ign0ramus> ghostsan, where did you download it from?
[22:32] <ghostsan> the add/remove programs package
[22:32] <ign0ramus> ghostsan, then it should be installed and ready to use... restart firefox and see if you can view a video
[22:32] <ghostsan> i want to record the video
[22:32] <ign0ramus> ghostsan, that has nothing to do with the flash plugin
[22:33] <ign0ramus> ghostsan, do you want to record your screen?
[22:33] <ghostsan> i want to record the videos on flash player
[22:34] <kaddi> hello :)
[22:34] <ign0ramus> ghostsan, ok, Flash Player is just that ... a "Player".  You can't record using Flash Player.  Do you want to record your screen?
[22:34] <ign0ramus> hey kaddi :)
[22:34] <ghostsan> oh
[22:34] <ghostsan> then yes
[22:35] <noren> is there any stock ticker applet available
[22:35] <ign0ramus> ghostsan, or you may want to look into Download Helper firefox add-on, which can save and convert many Flash videos
[22:35] <ign0ramus> ghostsan, to record your screen, get "krecordmydesktop"
[22:35] <ghostsan> k thanks
[22:36] <ign0ramus> ghostsan, np.  Download Helper is a cool and easy add-on... if you just want to save like Youtube videos, that's probably your best bet
[22:36] <ghostsan> is sucks to be ignorants :P
[22:36] <ghostsan> thanks for ur help
[22:36] <ign0ramus> ghostsan, i know how you feel :
[22:36] <ign0ramus> :)
[22:40] <noren> no stock ticker in kubuntu :(
[22:44] <Guest83810> sfegvs
[22:44] <Guest83810> e aII
[22:44] <ToreadorVampire> Guest83810> Gesundheit
[22:44] <bruno_> E AII
[22:44] <ign0ramus> wha...? does anyone know why traditional kmenu widget works fine, but kickoff menu turns into "Unknown Widget"?
[22:44] <bruno_> TEM BRASILEIRO
[22:44] <ToreadorVampire> This "Lancelot Part" plasmoid ... what is it supposed to do?
[22:45] <bruno_> ???
[22:45] <ToreadorVampire> Coz all I can get it to do is show an empty menu of nothing
[22:45] <bruno_> TEM ALGUEM
[22:45] <ign0ramus> ToreadorVampire, i believe its another app launcher... does it do anything if you type an app's name?
[22:46] <ToreadorVampire> Nope
[22:46] <ToreadorVampire> It's just an empty block of nothing
[22:46] <ToreadorVampire> Tried dragging stuff to it (maybe that would add it to a menu)
[22:47] <ign0ramus> ToreadorVampire, honestly don't know... i've never used it
[22:47] <ToreadorVampire> Tried right-clicking it and saw no useful options to add menu items
[22:47]  * ToreadorVampire suspects it implements libredherring.so
[22:48] <ign0ramus> haha
[22:48] <ToreadorVampire> Hmm
[22:48] <ToreadorVampire> And stasks is still on the failtrain
[22:49] <ToreadorVampire> Plasma still repeatedly crashes while I'm using it
[22:50] <ign0ramus> add it to kmenu editor... it Kmenu Editor... i make changes to the menu, and it says 'updating system settings', goes to 100%, and then proceeds to begin at 0% again and never finish
[22:50] <ign0ramus> restarting X, brb
[22:53] <compusec> hi
[22:53] <compusec> again
[22:53] <compusec> lol
[22:53] <compusec> i need some help here
[22:54] <compusec> can someone help me out
[22:54] <compusec> ?
[22:54] <Daskreech> no idea
[22:54] <ToreadorVampire> !ask
[22:55] <compusec> ok
[22:55] <compusec> well
[22:55] <ToreadorVampire> That's a hole in he ground
[22:55] <ToreadorVampire> Often filled with water
[22:55] <Guest87444> hi, can anybody tell where i can find the source lsit for kubuntu 9.04 jaunty? the urk
[22:55] <compusec> im trying to get into the windows network
[22:55] <Guest87444> url
[22:55] <compusec> and it's giving a error that say's...
[22:55] <compusec> unable to mount location
[22:56] <compusec> i was connected to the server a few minutes ago, i restarted everything
[22:56] <jussi01> !enter | compusec
[22:56] <compusec> right
[22:56] <adrien> plop
[22:56] <adrien> il y a des fr
[22:57] <adrien> ?
[22:57] <jussi01> !fr
[22:57] <adrien> okay np
[22:57] <adrien> ...
[22:57] <adrien> Its the first time i use KDE
[22:57] <adrien> before i use gnome
[22:57] <compusec> the error is F-U-C-K-Y-O-U nigger, i can't mount this shit, lol
[22:58] <adrien> someone can help me ...
[22:58] <compusec> my bad my bad
[22:58] <compusec> just playing around
[22:58] <jussi01> compusec: that was unacceptable.
[22:58] <compusec> can anybody help me on that
[22:58] <Ph3nix_> ?
[22:58] <jussi01> Ph3nix_: you need to tell us the problme...
[22:58] <Ph3nix_> yes
[22:58] <sheytan> did anybody see the news about amarok on kubuntu's page?
[22:59] <Ph3nix_> how lunch aptitude with terminal on KDE
[22:59] <compusec> i already did, trying to logon to windows network and it gives me the error that is UNABLE TO MOUNT LOCATION
[22:59] <skafti> sendmail problem with kmail someone help
[23:00] <jussi01> Ph3nix_: same as with gnome, but you use konsole, found under system
[23:00] <Ph3nix_> ok with konsole ..
[23:01] <Ph3nix_> erf its the same command.$
[23:02] <Ph3nix_> just a question... KDE dont use drop menu ?
[23:03] <Ph3nix_> and how active transparence ?
[23:04] <jussi01> Ph3nix_: system settings, desktop, enable desktop effects
[23:04] <jussi01> and now, Im going to bed.
[23:11] <Guest87444> source list? someone?
[23:11] <Guest87444> maybe?
[23:11] <Guest87444> please?
[23:13] <Cargo-Loader> hi
[23:15] <compusec> FUCK YOUUUUJU NIGGEEEEERRRRRR, YOU DIDN' T HELP SHIT, lolololol
[23:15] <compusec> q muchos ubunteros hay
[23:15] <compusec> cabrones
[23:15] <compusec> jajaja
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> !ohmy
[23:16] <compusec> i haven't say nothing to nobody
[23:16] <compusec> just by myself
[23:16] <compusec> lol
[23:16] <compusec> gotta go
[23:17] <Cargo-Loader> Does anyone know how I can connect to a hidden WPA2 Network? Kubuntu 9.04 , wpa2, hidden, network not brodcasting (I have to connect to the network to get a connection. Seems logic.)?
[23:17] <compusec> aww u guys next time
[23:19] <Cargo-Loader> Someone here who can help me?
[23:20] <mattfletcher> my brother has kubuntu 8.04 and wants to upgrade to 9.04. He's found the instructions at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades/Kubuntu/8.04 and followed them but it is not offering him a "Version Upgrade" button when he hits "Fatch Updates". I'm on GNOME so can't really help him. Any ideas?
[23:20] <LadyNikon> Cargo-Loader: ask what you need.
[23:20] <LadyNikon> people cant help you.. if you havent asked the question
[23:20] <Cargo-Loader> Does anyone know how I can connect to a hidden WPA2 Network? Kubuntu 9.04 , wpa2, hidden, network not brodcasting (I have to connect to the network to get a connection. Seems logic.)?
[23:20] <Cargo-Loader> I already have ;)
[23:20] <Ph3nix_> GNOME IS THE BEST
[23:20] <Ph3nix_> GNOME IS THE BESTGNOME IS THE BEST
[23:20] <Ph3nix_> GNOME IS THE BEST
[23:20] <Ph3nix_> GNOME IS THE BEST
[23:21] <LadyNikon> Ph3nix_: >.>
[23:21] <Cargo-Loader> Oh and. Wlan dongle is fritz avm stick (the one with the selfinstall thing...)
[23:22] <Ph3nix_> ok go apt-get autoremove k*; apt-get install gnome*
[23:22] <Cargo-Loader> No I won't, Ph3nix_ . I just wan't wpa2 on Kubuntu.
[23:23] <Ph3nix_> Driver Ralink?
[23:23] <Ph3nix_> write on console lshw -C network
[23:24] <Ph3nix_> what is your card
[23:25] <Cargo-Loader> It's an avm card. but it doesn't say what one
[23:27] <mattfletcher> what command can i use to update kubuntu 8.04 to 9.04 on the command line?
[23:27] <Cargo-Loader> sudo apt-get upgrade? I think it was that one...
[23:28] <mattfletcher> i know about sudo apt-get dist-upgrade but i heard that it wasn't the best way. there is do-release-upgrade for ubuntu, but do not know if kubuntu has this
[23:30]  * Eurysilas is having trouble with KDEInit......
[23:32] <Eurysilas> I'm on Hardy Heron, and all was going well. Then I tried to click on a text file and Kate wouldn't open, because KDEInit couldn't open it.
[23:33] <Eurysilas> Even more bizzarly, the menu entry under KMenu doesn't work either.
[23:33] <Eurysilas> Oh, and perhapse the oddest of all- it launches from the terminal just fine.
[23:35] <Eurysilas> Oh, wait.....It launches from the menu fine, now.....
[23:36] <diggdag> green mirc user.. Have any a solution to use ATI 9.3 on 9.04 with xserve 1.6
[23:39] <Eurysilas> Ok....it seems that it is a permissions error, somewhere. It all works fine without launching kfind as root.
[23:39] <diggdag> any using an "old" ati card with kubuntu?
[23:41] <sparr> Closing the Network Management plasmoid disconnects all managed network interfaces.  Is that by design?
[23:41] <_nix_> How do you play a movie with subtitles in Dragon Player?
[23:42] <access_d> diggdag: I have an Xpress 200m in this laptop, and just newly installed kubuntu. So yeah, I'm going through the same thing. Looks like there's a couple things in the works, but nothing good enough for me to try yet. I do get 3d rendering, though it's only ~330fps when it's usually at least 4x that.
[23:43] <access_d> Hopefully the open source drivers will just be improved so we don't have to rely on ATI anymore.
[23:43] <access_d> Well, we can't really rely on ATI anymore, since they ditched support for our cards. lol
[23:43] <diggdag> ok it seems like i must use the 8.10 version then
[23:44] <access_d> That's your best bet if you want to keep the proprietary drivers.
[23:44] <access_d> 8.04 is even the LTS, so support will be longer.
[23:44] <access_d> (that is, if they don't come up with something by then)
[23:45] <diggdag> not big in demands, want to run runescape in high modus
[23:45] <diggdag> its a java client
[23:48] <_nix_> nvm.. Bug #360426 on launchpad: dragon player unable to load external subtitles.
[23:48] <Riddell> amarok rock http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2.1
[23:48]  * _nix_ is sad.
[23:48] <_nix_> hi Ridell
[23:49] <access_d> Right on. But yeah, your best bet (so far) is using Hardy or Intrepid. Or really anything that uses xorg-server 1.5.2 or earlier (I think)
[23:50] <diggdag> ok can i seek in a distro place for xorg-server 1.5.2 ? and find a good distro ?
[23:52] <access_d> There's nothing wrong with 8.04 (Hardy) or 8.10 (Intrepid).
[23:53] <diggdag> ok i try the intreprid then and thanks all for helping me
[23:54] <diggdag> quit
[23:57] <sidewinder2> Hey, i am trying to set up dual monitors in Kubuntu, but under my system display settings it recognizes both monitors as a single one, any suggestions?