| macvr | anyone here? i have a ques! | 08:18 |
|---|---|---|
| thorwil | somewhat | 08:33 |
| macvr | thorwil: hi, the dpi and ppi are the same? | 08:34 |
| thorwil | macvr, that's dots versus points per inch | 08:34 |
| macvr | i understand that but , why i had the doubt is , gimp allows any number of dpi but inkscape sets a max for the certain size, why is that? | 08:35 |
| thorwil | macvr, no wait, actually ppi is pixel per inch | 08:36 |
| thorwil | so dpi for printing and ppi for the digital realm | 08:36 |
| macvr | i understand the full form , but what effect do they have on the output? | 08:36 |
| thorwil | macvr, your artwork in inkscape already has a certain size | 08:37 |
| thorwil | and the mapping to the output in pixels depends on the resolution you assume | 08:37 |
| macvr | thorwil: i'm trying to make an icon in 2px , so doing it in inkscape is better or in gimp? | 08:37 |
| macvr | 22px^ | 08:38 |
| macvr | does gimp allow transparency? | 08:38 |
| thorwil | icon creationis usually simpler in inkscape | 08:38 |
| thorwil | yes | 08:38 |
| macvr | i meant transparency of the paint? , not the background. | 08:39 |
| thorwil | macvr, create your icon in inkscape with a size of 22px x 22px, set resolution on export to 90 dpi, which reults in 22px mapped to 22px | 08:39 |
| thorwil | yes | 08:39 |
| macvr | thorwil: where do i set it in inkscape? | 08:39 |
| macvr | ok.. fund it! | 08:40 |
| macvr | found it! | 08:40 |
| macvr | thorwil: thank you, i didnt realize the diff, since i was usually exporting the larger size at a smaller px, at that time the dpi is not customizable freely! now i understand... thanx | 08:42 |
| thorwil | in the export dialog, i hope. i think you can set default dpi in the preferences somewhere | 08:42 |
| macvr | :) thanx | 08:42 |
| thorwil | np | 08:43 |
| === savvas_ is now known as savvas | ||
| thorwil | http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2008 | 13:03 |
| SiDi | the 8 is WOW | 13:07 |
| SiDi | we should get it in karmic just to say we got a bigger fish than 7 | 13:07 |
| thorwil | this as bg would rock ;) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/8-cell-simple.gif | 13:09 |
| kwwii | nice | 13:09 |
| savvas | SiDi: we have bigger fish to fry :P | 13:10 |
| thorwil | kwwii, sounds like something i have been mentioning a couple of times, flash-supported gui building: http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/06/adobe-launches-flash-catalyst-tool-for-rapid-ui-design.ars | 13:16 |
| kwwii | thorwil: wow, I will pass that on to our new flash UI guy | 13:17 |
| kwwii | he has been looking into doing python and clutter and all kinds of stuff | 13:17 |
| * thorwil wants one floss graphics-system with scripting and an top-notch authoring environment to cover all of desktop gui, web-apps and entertainment | 13:18 | |
| kwwii | thorwil: you are not the only one :) | 13:19 |
| * kwwii heads out to test new lenses (everyone loves getting a gift!)...bbiab | 13:37 | |
| === You're now known as ubuntulog | ||
| SiDi | mat_t, hello. Do you receive ayatana mails ? | 16:05 |
| mat_t | SiDi, hi yes I do | 16:06 |
| SiDi | Alright, just sent a mail with that icon Mark wanted for when the AC is plugged | 16:07 |
| SiDi | mind giving me hints to improve it ? :) | 16:07 |
| SiDi | It's here for curious ubuntu-art people : http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/7791/notificationbattery100p.png :) | 16:09 |
| macvr | SiDi: how about making the bolt in black? | 16:13 |
| macvr | and at an angle of 45 | 16:13 |
| SiDi | macvr, the background for the pic is black already | 16:13 |
| SiDi | I'll try, sec | 16:14 |
| macvr | i know but, the icon is what matters, or making the bolt darker? | 16:14 |
| macvr | than the battery | 16:14 |
| SiDi | i'll try that in a sec | 16:16 |
| SiDi | got some folks to help in #xubuntu right now | 16:16 |
| macvr | SiDi: np... | 16:16 |
| SiDi | I dont think it looks great at all :/ | 16:28 |
| SiDi | The icon's form looks weird when rotated | 16:29 |
| macvr | SiDi: someone in the ayatana list had asked for the battery straight up? i think it was mark? did u try it like that? | 16:31 |
| SiDi | http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/7791/notificationbattery100p.png / http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7791/notificationbattery100p.png / http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/7791/notificationbattery100p.png | 16:32 |
| SiDi | straight up ? what do you mean ? | 16:32 |
| macvr | instead of sideways, standing | 16:32 |
| SiDi | oh | 16:32 |
| SiDi | I dont think it'd be sexier personally :p | 16:33 |
| macvr | i think the 3rd is good | 16:33 |
| SiDi | It'll be a lot of work to rotate the icon | 16:34 |
| SiDi | Cause the whole light gradients would have to be redone | 16:34 |
| macvr | i think mark had asked for it, probably to save space! | 16:34 |
| SiDi | and i'm far from skilled enough for this ^^ | 16:34 |
| SiDi | It wont save space :) | 16:34 |
| SiDi | the place for the icon is square | 16:34 |
| macvr | the width | 16:34 |
| macvr | oh! | 16:34 |
| macvr | ok. | 16:35 |
| macvr | then why change something which looks good! | 16:35 |
| macvr | the 3rd image with the dark flash looks good, btw the presentation was a cool idea | 16:36 |
| SiDi | http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/7791/notificationbattery100p.png this one you mean ? | 16:36 |
| thorwil | SiDi, yeah, great presentation | 16:36 |
| mat_t | SiDi, I like the original | 16:36 |
| SiDi | Damn, everyone reads ayatana :P | 16:36 |
| SiDi | mat_t, me too :] But it looks a bit blurry in the notifications :/ | 16:36 |
| macvr | this one> http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/7791/notificationbattery100p.png | 16:37 |
| mat_t | SiDi, maybe try with the lighter bolt | 16:38 |
| SiDi | i'll redraw it without curves and with slightly lighter colors in minutes | 16:41 |
| SiDi | gotta get something to drink first :O | 16:41 |
| SiDi | macvr, mat_t thorwil http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/7791/notificationbattery100p.png | 17:23 |
| thorwil | SiDi, can you make the zick-zack slightly larger? | 17:24 |
| macvr | my vote is still > http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/7791/notificationbattery100p.png :P | 17:24 |
| mat_t | SiDi, try slightly brigher, subtle outline around the bolt - will make it look sharper | 17:24 |
| kwwii | SiDi: the bolt seems to touch the top and bottom too closely, if you ask me | 17:24 |
| kwwii | erm, bad explanation...sorry | 17:24 |
| SiDi | kwwii, i got your point | 17:26 |
| SiDi | subtle outline gives blurness mat_t :/ | 17:26 |
| SiDi | i was actually gonna try not-subtle-at-all | 17:26 |
| mat_t | sure, whatever works best | 17:26 |
| * mat_t reboots | 17:27 | |
| macvr | kwwii: i gave up on the curve! :( its just was crisp enough! how is this? http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3705/21741737.png http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4346/95115686.png | 17:29 |
| SiDi | macvr, users will kill you if that ever goes to Human | 17:31 |
| SiDi | The current icon is bright for empty and darker blue for full | 17:31 |
| kwwii | I would add a little bit of space between the bars, just a pixel or so | 17:31 |
| SiDi | if you put bright for full and dark for empty, you'll upset a few million current users :] | 17:31 |
| macvr | SiDi: they seem to be mooving away from color! | 17:32 |
| kwwii | but he does have a point about the active parts being dark and the inactive lighter grey | 17:32 |
| SiDi | Yeh but use the dark for full and light for empty :] people are too used to it, changing it will bring drama imo | 17:32 |
| kwwii | as that is how we denote inactivity in gtk as well | 17:32 |
| kwwii | SiDi: I was agreeing with you :p | 17:32 |
| SiDi | its really not about the design, its the same problem than for a logo. You shouldnt change it even if it sucks, or you lose all your branding | 17:32 |
| macvr | kwwii: so black os the incidator? | 17:33 |
| macvr | as | 17:33 |
| SiDi | kwwii, the yeh but was for macvr :D | 17:33 |
| macvr | SiDi: but when u go dark then in dark panels it would not display well! | 17:34 |
| SiDi | totally agree :D | 17:34 |
| macvr | *i vote colors are best | 17:35 |
| SiDi | http://filebin.ca/zjadkb/plugged.tar.gz | 17:35 |
| SiDi | i'm for the last of the set | 17:35 |
| SiDi | anyways i dont bother much about the panel icons : knome will make a whole set that will be the sexiest ever | 17:36 |
| macvr | which? | 17:36 |
| SiDi | get the tar.gz above | 17:36 |
| kwwii | macvr: well, for light and dark panels we will have to have two versions of the icons | 17:38 |
| kwwii | and a system to switch intelligently | 17:38 |
| macvr | SiDi: still i think that the last one is blurry | 17:39 |
| SiDi | kwwii, is it a good solution to change the icons each time the user changes his theme ? :/ | 17:39 |
| SiDi | macvr, the 4th is just too dark and thin :) | 17:39 |
| macvr | kwwii: is that possible now? | 17:40 |
| macvr | SiDi: try white in the size of the 4 | 17:40 |
| kwwii | SiDi: adjusting the color so that they can be seen should be acceptable | 17:40 |
| SiDi | macvr, thats the #1 | 17:41 |
| kwwii | macvr: no, currently it is not possible | 17:41 |
| macvr | kwwii: is knome working on a panel set? | 17:41 |
| macvr | icon | 17:41 |
| kwwii | and it might come down to use stating a fact like "our default panel is dark" and making a decision based on that | 17:41 |
| kwwii | macvr: not sure | 17:41 |
| kwwii | and I have to leave for band practice now, bbl | 17:42 |
| macvr | kwwii: that wont be a good thing! | 17:42 |
| macvr | bye | 17:42 |
| macvr | SiDi: can the size of 1 be reduced a bit? just by 2-4 px just so that it doesnt touch the edges? its seems the best of the lot[after the black :P] | 17:44 |
| SiDi | It doesnt touch the edges :[ | 17:45 |
| macvr | it looks like it does :P the diff between this and the black is the black has the white border , so it doesnt seem like it touches! | 17:46 |
| SiDi | the 40 and 50 icons dont rock but the rest looks good to me | 18:20 |
| SiDi | and its not black macvr :D | 18:20 |
| macvr | SiDi: :P | 18:21 |
| macvr | i still think that the darker one is better ! , or if u could get the white smaller? | 18:22 |
| knome | ehm | 18:43 |
| SiDi | macvr, if i get it smaller it goes really hard to see it (it is already) | 18:45 |
| SiDi | but feel free to pick the svg and play with it macvr ;) | 18:45 |
| SiDi | knome, ehm ? | 18:45 |
| knome | SiDi, i've not said i'm going to implement the icon theme ;) | 18:47 |
| knome | SiDi, at least not in the near future | 18:47 |
| SiDi | oh, really ? | 18:47 |
| knome | yeah. :P | 18:47 |
| SiDi | knome, i thought we'd had a pinky icon theme with mice everywhere ! :( | 18:47 |
| SiDi | btw, i got another completely crazy and stupid idea | 18:48 |
| SiDi | put the mouse in a submarine, and put the submarine in a swimming pool, add some plants and fishes, make a photo, and there you got a wallpaper for karmic | 18:48 |
| knome | :O | 18:48 |
| SiDi | (although a mouse swimming in the ocean, in a digital painting / speed painting style would rock, but i gotta find the person who _can_ do that :/) | 18:49 |
| macvr | SiDi: http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1239/newchz.png how is this? | 18:50 |
| SiDi | macvr, like mine ? :D | 18:50 |
| macvr | but just that its crisper, without the stroke | 18:50 |
| macvr | rransparent stroke was the prob | 18:50 |
| macvr | transparent | 18:51 |
| SiDi | Send me the SVG please macvr ;) | 18:51 |
| macvr | SiDi: http://filebin.ca/oepwjb/new.tar | 18:56 |
| SiDi | Sorry but it goes too blur without a stroke :/ | 18:58 |
| SiDi | there's not enough contrast | 18:58 |
| SiDi | (macvr will kill me soon, i fear :p) | 19:00 |
| macvr | that is another thing that need to be corrected, that shade of white doesnt do it justice :P | 19:00 |
| SiDi | go for black then :D | 19:00 |
| SiDi | and check out how it renders at 20% :D | 19:00 |
| SiDi | and i really dont wanna try to split the zigzag in two parts for the 40/50/60 icons :[ | 19:01 |
| SiDi | thats hard and it'll likely not be sexy | 19:01 |
| macvr | SiDi: http://imagebin.ca/view/GfrHLHih.html <how is this? | 19:07 |
| SiDi | sexy :D | 19:08 |
| SiDi | but show me what it gives @ 20% of battery please | 19:08 |
| SiDi | https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg00170.html here is the current icon set if you dont have the 20% one | 19:10 |
| macvr | SiDi: oh... this was the split u kept talking about! | 19:13 |
| SiDi | Yeh, well :P | 19:14 |
| SiDi | the icon has to be visible in dark and bright backgrounds | 19:14 |
| SiDi | and possibly half dark half bright | 19:14 |
| SiDi | thats what makes it hard :( | 19:14 |
| SiDi | i'm gonna lag, i'll do something wick to my xfconf settings, brb | 19:14 |
| macvr | how do u expect to maintain the same color for dark and light and expect it to look good? | 19:14 |
| SiDi | by using light grey with a dark grey stroke :] | 19:15 |
| macvr | i would say the best option to maintain visiblity change the color of the flash | 19:15 |
| SiDi | Cant change ! :P | 19:17 |
| macvr | that is a hard one...! will try to come up with a good combo , but it might take time to figure it out ... btw why dont u want to change it? is it in the guidelines? or ur design? | 19:18 |
| SiDi | Its my design :] | 19:18 |
| SiDi | if you change it, you have to manage the 40/50/60 | 19:18 |
| SiDi | cause they'll have both backgrounds | 19:18 |
| macvr | that is not prob | 19:19 |
| macvr | just add the gradients to the icons and the split icon will show in 2 colors? | 19:19 |
| macvr | but not sure how it would look :P | 19:19 |
| SiDi | Bad ? :D | 19:21 |
| SiDi | gonna eat | 19:25 |
| SiDi | see you | 19:25 |
| SiDi | ping ? | 19:35 |
| macvr | SiDi: how about setting the battery grey a bit darker? | 19:36 |
| SiDi | feel free to do so ^^ | 19:38 |
| SiDi | im waiting for the food to be ready :D | 19:38 |
| SiDi | (see i'm lazy :d) | 19:38 |
| macvr | SiDi: http://imagebin.ca/view/kJjqHW0.html < how is this? | 19:42 |
| macvr | SiDi: http://imagebin.ca/view/08JHKv.html < | 19:44 |
| SiDi | send me an svg and i'll play with it after lunch ;) | 19:45 |
| SiDi | thanks for ur experimentations btw | 19:45 |
| SiDi | pls drop me that at sidnioulz@gmail.com | 19:45 |
| macvr | how does that look? | 19:45 |
| SiDi | it looks cool | 19:46 |
| SiDi | i need the svg to check in the bubble now ^^ | 19:46 |
| macvr | ok... in just amin i'll upload | 19:46 |
| SiDi | see you soon | 19:46 |
| SiDi | thanks | 19:46 |
| SiDi | i need to suspend the PC though | 19:46 |
| macvr | wait just a sec | 19:47 |
| macvr | SiDi: ping | 19:48 |
| macvr | SiDi: http://filebin.ca/rcnxuo/new---notification-battery-100-plugged.svg.tar i'v done only for the 100% , u can follow the gradient for the rest.. | 19:49 |
| SiDi | dashua, hey mate, sorry, completely forgot to make the xfwm for Hanso | 20:43 |
| SiDi | let's say i'll work on it tonight :] | 20:43 |
| macvr | SiDi: http://filebin.ca/rcnxuo/new---notification-battery-100-plugged.svg.tar i'v done only for the 100% | 21:00 |
| SiDi | thanks | 21:03 |
| macvr | SiDi: it might be a bit darker than , what u would want but, i think the only way is finding ur best choice as a middle ground between the darkness i have added and ur original svg... | 21:06 |
| SiDi | did you change the gradient too ? | 21:09 |
| SiDi | macvr, i like it, it looks better in 20 and 100 | 21:10 |
| SiDi | now lets check in 50 | 21:10 |
| macvr | yes , i have changed the gradient in the background, grey , making it a bit darker, makes it better visible, with white | 21:11 |
| macvr | flash | 21:11 |
| SiDi | Okey, cheers | 21:12 |
| SiDi | i'll redo the whole icons then | 21:12 |
| macvr | have fun :) | 21:12 |
| dashua | SiDi: No worries. I see sabdfl is digging your ideas in ayatana ;). Good work. | 21:25 |
| SiDi | cheers | 21:29 |
| dashua | Those battery icons work now or do I need that script? | 21:31 |
| SiDi | idd they work, but they're not implemented in the power manager ^^ | 21:35 |
| SiDi | the script just shows what i have in mind | 21:35 |
| dashua | Ah nice | 21:35 |
| dashua | Watching the video now | 21:35 |
| SiDi | :] | 21:35 |
| SiDi | ive actually had comments from youtube people | 21:35 |
| SiDi | i understand now why people say youtube comments are really dumb :] | 21:36 |
| SiDi | the comment deleted by its author, i received it by mail, i still didnt understand it | 21:36 |
| dashua | They're almost as useful as comments on Digg | 21:37 |
| SiDi | except that comments on digg are understandable from times to times XD | 21:37 |
| dashua | Yeah | 21:38 |
| SiDi | kwwii, dashua do you know any ways to efficiently reduce the size of a svg file ? | 22:12 |
| kwwii | SiDi: well, vacuum the defaults in inkscape | 22:12 |
| kwwii | and save the file | 22:13 |
| kwwii | then repoen it and do that again | 22:13 |
| SiDi | alright, already doing this :] | 22:13 |
| SiDi | why do it twice ? | 22:13 |
| kwwii | or just close it and then open it and vacuum defaults | 22:13 |
| kwwii | well, if you do not close it you won't get rid of everything | 22:13 |
| kwwii | so you do not have to do it twice | 22:13 |
| kwwii | but I always end up doing it that way because I forget | 22:13 |
| kwwii | anyway | 22:13 |
| kwwii | you could also save it as plain svg | 22:14 |
| kwwii | that might or might not be smaller | 22:14 |
| kwwii | not sure | 22:14 |
| kwwii | there are probably scripts around which can reduce the size | 22:14 |
| SiDi | like inkscape --vacuum-defs *.svg ? :D | 22:14 |
| kwwii | adobe illustrator makes paths which are much smaller to begin with | 22:14 |
| kwwii | sadly inkscape makes lots and lots of points | 22:15 |
| SiDi | hm | 22:15 |
| SiDi | Well, thanks :P | 22:16 |
| SiDi | it'll stay at 100KB/icon | 22:16 |
| kwwii | well, if that is the template, then it is understandable | 22:17 |
| kwwii | it is not just one icon | 22:17 |
| SiDi | macvr, what is your name ? | 22:18 |
| Hanthor | hello? | 22:18 |
| SiDi | hi | 22:18 |
| Hanthor | you again? | 22:18 |
| SiDi | i'm everywhere | 22:19 |
| SiDi | you can't escape me | 22:19 |
| Hanthor | yes | 22:19 |
| SiDi | macvr, you dont want your name in the THANKS file in the package? :/ | 22:20 |
| Hanthor | so what did they talk about at UDS? | 22:22 |
| Hanthor | Mark said that they would | 22:22 |
| SiDi | about what exactly ? :] | 22:22 |
| SiDi | We talked about many things | 22:22 |
| Hanthor | arywork for Karmic | 22:22 |
| SiDi | (esp. about the quality of the beer in spain, though) | 22:22 |
| darkmatter | you can put my name in the thanks package :P something like 'darkmatter, thank you for NOT contributing, you're ideas are to radical you evil, evil person you' ;o | 22:22 |
| SiDi | darkmatter, hm, i'll think about it :] | 22:23 |
| SiDi | macvr, ping ? Do you want your nick in the thanks file or your actual name ? | 22:23 |
| darkmatter | just put mac<guy>vr. deal with the complaints leter :O | 22:24 |
| darkmatter | umm.. where did that e come from? o_O | 22:24 |
| SiDi | i'll put mac<!darkmatter>vr. | 22:24 |
| SiDi | a TCP packet from you, i would say | 22:25 |
| Hanthor | were there any disscusions about arrwork at UDS? | 22:25 |
| Hanthor | wow it isn't talk like a pirate day | 22:26 |
| darkmatter | yargh matey? | 22:26 |
| SiDi | We won't let anyone know | 22:27 |
| SiDi | we keep everything for us, till november | 22:28 |
| Hanthor | isn't first drop on august 27th | 22:29 |
| SiDi | You wont have anything before november | 22:29 |
| Hanthor | oh i see | 22:30 |
| SiDi | (you should not believe a single word of what i say btw ~) | 22:30 |
| Hanthor | ok | 22:30 |
| SiDi | (except this phrase, maybe) | 22:30 |
| knome | haha | 23:59 |
| knome | SiDi, you are evil | 23:59 |
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