[08:18] anyone here? i have a ques! [08:33] somewhat [08:34] thorwil: hi, the dpi and ppi are the same? [08:34] macvr, that's dots versus points per inch [08:35] i understand that but , why i had the doubt is , gimp allows any number of dpi but inkscape sets a max for the certain size, why is that? [08:36] macvr, no wait, actually ppi is pixel per inch [08:36] so dpi for printing and ppi for the digital realm [08:36] i understand the full form , but what effect do they have on the output? [08:37] macvr, your artwork in inkscape already has a certain size [08:37] and the mapping to the output in pixels depends on the resolution you assume [08:37] thorwil: i'm trying to make an icon in 2px , so doing it in inkscape is better or in gimp? [08:38] 22px^ [08:38] does gimp allow transparency? [08:38] icon creationis usually simpler in inkscape [08:38] yes [08:39] i meant transparency of the paint? , not the background. [08:39] macvr, create your icon in inkscape with a size of 22px x 22px, set resolution on export to 90 dpi, which reults in 22px mapped to 22px [08:39] yes [08:39] thorwil: where do i set it in inkscape? [08:40] ok.. fund it! [08:40] found it! [08:42] thorwil: thank you, i didnt realize the diff, since i was usually exporting the larger size at a smaller px, at that time the dpi is not customizable freely! now i understand... thanx [08:42] in the export dialog, i hope. i think you can set default dpi in the preferences somewhere [08:42] :) thanx [08:43] np === savvas_ is now known as savvas [13:03] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2008 [13:07] the 8 is WOW [13:07] we should get it in karmic just to say we got a bigger fish than 7 [13:09] this as bg would rock ;) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/8-cell-simple.gif [13:09] nice [13:10] SiDi: we have bigger fish to fry :P [13:16] kwwii, sounds like something i have been mentioning a couple of times, flash-supported gui building: http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/06/adobe-launches-flash-catalyst-tool-for-rapid-ui-design.ars [13:17] thorwil: wow, I will pass that on to our new flash UI guy [13:17] he has been looking into doing python and clutter and all kinds of stuff [13:18] * thorwil wants one floss graphics-system with scripting and an top-notch authoring environment to cover all of desktop gui, web-apps and entertainment [13:19] thorwil: you are not the only one :) [13:37] * kwwii heads out to test new lenses (everyone loves getting a gift!)...bbiab === You're now known as ubuntulog [16:05] mat_t, hello. Do you receive ayatana mails ? [16:06] SiDi, hi yes I do [16:07] Alright, just sent a mail with that icon Mark wanted for when the AC is plugged [16:07] mind giving me hints to improve it ? :) [16:09] It's here for curious ubuntu-art people : http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/7791/notificationbattery100p.png :) [16:13] SiDi: how about making the bolt in black? [16:13] and at an angle of 45 [16:13] macvr, the background for the pic is black already [16:14] I'll try, sec [16:14] i know but, the icon is what matters, or making the bolt darker? [16:14] than the battery [16:16] i'll try that in a sec [16:16] got some folks to help in #xubuntu right now [16:16] SiDi: np... [16:28] I dont think it looks great at all :/ [16:29] The icon's form looks weird when rotated [16:31] SiDi: someone in the ayatana list had asked for the battery straight up? i think it was mark? did u try it like that? [16:32] http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/7791/notificationbattery100p.png / http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7791/notificationbattery100p.png / http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/7791/notificationbattery100p.png [16:32] straight up ? what do you mean ? [16:32] instead of sideways, standing [16:32] oh [16:33] I dont think it'd be sexier personally :p [16:33] i think the 3rd is good [16:34] It'll be a lot of work to rotate the icon [16:34] Cause the whole light gradients would have to be redone [16:34] i think mark had asked for it, probably to save space! [16:34] and i'm far from skilled enough for this ^^ [16:34] It wont save space :) [16:34] the place for the icon is square [16:34] the width [16:34] oh! [16:35] ok. [16:35] then why change something which looks good! [16:36] the 3rd image with the dark flash looks good, btw the presentation was a cool idea [16:36] http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/7791/notificationbattery100p.png this one you mean ? [16:36] SiDi, yeah, great presentation [16:36] SiDi, I like the original [16:36] Damn, everyone reads ayatana :P [16:36] mat_t, me too :] But it looks a bit blurry in the notifications :/ [16:37] this one> http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/7791/notificationbattery100p.png [16:38] SiDi, maybe try with the lighter bolt [16:41] i'll redraw it without curves and with slightly lighter colors in minutes [16:41] gotta get something to drink first :O [17:23] macvr, mat_t thorwil http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/7791/notificationbattery100p.png [17:24] SiDi, can you make the zick-zack slightly larger? [17:24] my vote is still > http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/7791/notificationbattery100p.png :P [17:24] SiDi, try slightly brigher, subtle outline around the bolt - will make it look sharper [17:24] SiDi: the bolt seems to touch the top and bottom too closely, if you ask me [17:24] erm, bad explanation...sorry [17:26] kwwii, i got your point [17:26] subtle outline gives blurness mat_t :/ [17:26] i was actually gonna try not-subtle-at-all [17:26] sure, whatever works best [17:27] * mat_t reboots [17:29] kwwii: i gave up on the curve! :( its just was crisp enough! how is this? http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3705/21741737.png http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4346/95115686.png [17:31] macvr, users will kill you if that ever goes to Human [17:31] The current icon is bright for empty and darker blue for full [17:31] I would add a little bit of space between the bars, just a pixel or so [17:31] if you put bright for full and dark for empty, you'll upset a few million current users :] [17:32] SiDi: they seem to be mooving away from color! [17:32] but he does have a point about the active parts being dark and the inactive lighter grey [17:32] Yeh but use the dark for full and light for empty :] people are too used to it, changing it will bring drama imo [17:32] as that is how we denote inactivity in gtk as well [17:32] SiDi: I was agreeing with you :p [17:32] its really not about the design, its the same problem than for a logo. You shouldnt change it even if it sucks, or you lose all your branding [17:33] kwwii: so black os the incidator? [17:33] as [17:33] kwwii, the yeh but was for macvr :D [17:34] SiDi: but when u go dark then in dark panels it would not display well! [17:34] totally agree :D [17:35] *i vote colors are best [17:35] http://filebin.ca/zjadkb/plugged.tar.gz [17:35] i'm for the last of the set [17:36] anyways i dont bother much about the panel icons : knome will make a whole set that will be the sexiest ever [17:36] which? [17:36] get the tar.gz above [17:38] macvr: well, for light and dark panels we will have to have two versions of the icons [17:38] and a system to switch intelligently [17:39] SiDi: still i think that the last one is blurry [17:39] kwwii, is it a good solution to change the icons each time the user changes his theme ? :/ [17:39] macvr, the 4th is just too dark and thin :) [17:40] kwwii: is that possible now? [17:40] SiDi: try white in the size of the 4 [17:40] SiDi: adjusting the color so that they can be seen should be acceptable [17:41] macvr, thats the #1 [17:41] macvr: no, currently it is not possible [17:41] kwwii: is knome working on a panel set? [17:41] icon [17:41] and it might come down to use stating a fact like "our default panel is dark" and making a decision based on that [17:41] macvr: not sure [17:42] and I have to leave for band practice now, bbl [17:42] kwwii: that wont be a good thing! [17:42] bye [17:44] SiDi: can the size of 1 be reduced a bit? just by 2-4 px just so that it doesnt touch the edges? its seems the best of the lot[after the black :P] [17:45] It doesnt touch the edges :[ [17:46] it looks like it does :P the diff between this and the black is the black has the white border , so it doesnt seem like it touches! [18:20] the 40 and 50 icons dont rock but the rest looks good to me [18:20] and its not black macvr :D [18:21] SiDi: :P [18:22] i still think that the darker one is better ! , or if u could get the white smaller? [18:43] ehm [18:45] macvr, if i get it smaller it goes really hard to see it (it is already) [18:45] but feel free to pick the svg and play with it macvr ;) [18:45] knome, ehm ? [18:47] SiDi, i've not said i'm going to implement the icon theme ;) [18:47] SiDi, at least not in the near future [18:47] oh, really ? [18:47] yeah. :P [18:47] knome, i thought we'd had a pinky icon theme with mice everywhere ! :( [18:48] btw, i got another completely crazy and stupid idea [18:48] put the mouse in a submarine, and put the submarine in a swimming pool, add some plants and fishes, make a photo, and there you got a wallpaper for karmic [18:48] :O [18:49] (although a mouse swimming in the ocean, in a digital painting / speed painting style would rock, but i gotta find the person who _can_ do that :/) [18:50] SiDi: http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1239/newchz.png how is this? [18:50] macvr, like mine ? :D [18:50] but just that its crisper, without the stroke [18:50] rransparent stroke was the prob [18:51] transparent [18:51] Send me the SVG please macvr ;) [18:56] SiDi: http://filebin.ca/oepwjb/new.tar [18:58] Sorry but it goes too blur without a stroke :/ [18:58] there's not enough contrast [19:00] (macvr will kill me soon, i fear :p) [19:00] that is another thing that need to be corrected, that shade of white doesnt do it justice :P [19:00] go for black then :D [19:00] and check out how it renders at 20% :D [19:01] and i really dont wanna try to split the zigzag in two parts for the 40/50/60 icons :[ [19:01] thats hard and it'll likely not be sexy [19:07] SiDi: http://imagebin.ca/view/GfrHLHih.html sexy :D [19:08] but show me what it gives @ 20% of battery please [19:10] https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg00170.html here is the current icon set if you dont have the 20% one [19:13] SiDi: oh... this was the split u kept talking about! [19:14] Yeh, well :P [19:14] the icon has to be visible in dark and bright backgrounds [19:14] and possibly half dark half bright [19:14] thats what makes it hard :( [19:14] i'm gonna lag, i'll do something wick to my xfconf settings, brb [19:14] how do u expect to maintain the same color for dark and light and expect it to look good? [19:15] by using light grey with a dark grey stroke :] [19:15] i would say the best option to maintain visiblity change the color of the flash [19:17] Cant change ! :P [19:18] that is a hard one...! will try to come up with a good combo , but it might take time to figure it out ... btw why dont u want to change it? is it in the guidelines? or ur design? [19:18] Its my design :] [19:18] if you change it, you have to manage the 40/50/60 [19:18] cause they'll have both backgrounds [19:19] that is not prob [19:19] just add the gradients to the icons and the split icon will show in 2 colors? [19:19] but not sure how it would look :P [19:21] Bad ? :D [19:25] gonna eat [19:25] see you [19:35] ping ? [19:36] SiDi: how about setting the battery grey a bit darker? [19:38] feel free to do so ^^ [19:38] im waiting for the food to be ready :D [19:38] (see i'm lazy :d) [19:42] SiDi: http://imagebin.ca/view/kJjqHW0.html < how is this? [19:44] SiDi: http://imagebin.ca/view/08JHKv.html < [19:45] send me an svg and i'll play with it after lunch ;) [19:45] thanks for ur experimentations btw [19:45] pls drop me that at sidnioulz@gmail.com [19:45] how does that look? [19:46] it looks cool [19:46] i need the svg to check in the bubble now ^^ [19:46] ok... in just amin i'll upload [19:46] see you soon [19:46] thanks [19:46] i need to suspend the PC though [19:47] wait just a sec [19:48] SiDi: ping [19:49] SiDi: http://filebin.ca/rcnxuo/new---notification-battery-100-plugged.svg.tar i'v done only for the 100% , u can follow the gradient for the rest.. [20:43] dashua, hey mate, sorry, completely forgot to make the xfwm for Hanso [20:43] let's say i'll work on it tonight :] [21:00] SiDi: http://filebin.ca/rcnxuo/new---notification-battery-100-plugged.svg.tar i'v done only for the 100% [21:03] thanks [21:06] SiDi: it might be a bit darker than , what u would want but, i think the only way is finding ur best choice as a middle ground between the darkness i have added and ur original svg... [21:09] did you change the gradient too ? [21:10] macvr, i like it, it looks better in 20 and 100 [21:10] now lets check in 50 [21:11] yes , i have changed the gradient in the background, grey , making it a bit darker, makes it better visible, with white [21:11] flash [21:12] Okey, cheers [21:12] i'll redo the whole icons then [21:12] have fun :) [21:25] SiDi: No worries. I see sabdfl is digging your ideas in ayatana ;). Good work. [21:29] cheers [21:31] Those battery icons work now or do I need that script? [21:35] idd they work, but they're not implemented in the power manager ^^ [21:35] the script just shows what i have in mind [21:35] Ah nice [21:35] Watching the video now [21:35] :] [21:35] ive actually had comments from youtube people [21:36] i understand now why people say youtube comments are really dumb :] [21:36] the comment deleted by its author, i received it by mail, i still didnt understand it [21:37] They're almost as useful as comments on Digg [21:37] except that comments on digg are understandable from times to times XD [21:38] Yeah [22:12] kwwii, dashua do you know any ways to efficiently reduce the size of a svg file ? [22:12] SiDi: well, vacuum the defaults in inkscape [22:13] and save the file [22:13] then repoen it and do that again [22:13] alright, already doing this :] [22:13] why do it twice ? [22:13] or just close it and then open it and vacuum defaults [22:13] well, if you do not close it you won't get rid of everything [22:13] so you do not have to do it twice [22:13] but I always end up doing it that way because I forget [22:13] anyway [22:14] you could also save it as plain svg [22:14] that might or might not be smaller [22:14] not sure [22:14] there are probably scripts around which can reduce the size [22:14] like inkscape --vacuum-defs *.svg ? :D [22:14] adobe illustrator makes paths which are much smaller to begin with [22:15] sadly inkscape makes lots and lots of points [22:15] hm [22:16] Well, thanks :P [22:16] it'll stay at 100KB/icon [22:17] well, if that is the template, then it is understandable [22:17] it is not just one icon [22:18] macvr, what is your name ? [22:18] hello? [22:18] hi [22:18] you again? [22:19] i'm everywhere [22:19] you can't escape me [22:19] yes [22:20] macvr, you dont want your name in the THANKS file in the package? :/ [22:22] so what did they talk about at UDS? [22:22] Mark said that they would [22:22] about what exactly ? :] [22:22] We talked about many things [22:22] arywork for Karmic [22:22] (esp. about the quality of the beer in spain, though) [22:22] you can put my name in the thanks package :P something like 'darkmatter, thank you for NOT contributing, you're ideas are to radical you evil, evil person you' ;o [22:23] darkmatter, hm, i'll think about it :] [22:23] macvr, ping ? Do you want your nick in the thanks file or your actual name ? [22:24] just put macvr. deal with the complaints leter :O [22:24] umm.. where did that e come from? o_O [22:24] i'll put macvr. [22:25] a TCP packet from you, i would say [22:25] were there any disscusions about arrwork at UDS? [22:26] wow it isn't talk like a pirate day [22:26] yargh matey? [22:27] We won't let anyone know [22:28] we keep everything for us, till november [22:29] isn't first drop on august 27th [22:29] You wont have anything before november [22:30] oh i see [22:30] (you should not believe a single word of what i say btw ~) [22:30] ok [22:30] (except this phrase, maybe) [23:59] haha [23:59] SiDi, you are evil