[08:18] <macvr> anyone here? i have a ques!
[08:33] <thorwil> somewhat
[08:34] <macvr> thorwil: hi, the dpi and ppi are the same?
[08:34] <thorwil> macvr, that's dots versus points per inch
[08:35] <macvr> i understand that but , why i had the doubt is , gimp allows any number of dpi  but inkscape sets a max for the certain size, why is that?
[08:36] <thorwil> macvr, no wait, actually ppi is pixel per inch
[08:36] <thorwil> so dpi for printing and ppi for the digital realm
[08:36] <macvr>  i understand the full form , but what effect do they have on the output?
[08:37] <thorwil> macvr, your artwork in inkscape already has a certain size
[08:37] <thorwil> and the mapping to the output in pixels depends on the resolution you assume
[08:37] <macvr> thorwil: i'm trying to make an icon in 2px , so doing it in inkscape is better or in gimp?
[08:38] <macvr> 22px^
[08:38] <macvr> does gimp allow transparency?
[08:38] <thorwil> icon creationis usually simpler in inkscape
[08:38] <thorwil> yes
[08:39] <macvr> i meant transparency of the paint? , not the background.
[08:39] <thorwil> macvr, create your icon in inkscape with a size of 22px x 22px, set resolution on export to 90 dpi, which reults in 22px mapped to 22px
[08:39] <thorwil> yes
[08:39] <macvr> thorwil: where do i set it in inkscape?
[08:40] <macvr> ok.. fund it!
[08:40] <macvr> found it!
[08:42] <macvr> thorwil: thank you, i didnt realize the diff, since i was usually exporting the larger size at a smaller px, at that time the dpi is not customizable freely! now i understand... thanx
[08:42] <thorwil> in the export dialog, i hope. i think you can set default dpi in the preferences somewhere
[08:42] <macvr> :) thanx
[08:43] <thorwil> np
[13:03] <thorwil> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2008
[13:07] <SiDi> the 8 is WOW
[13:07] <SiDi> we should get it in karmic just to say we got a bigger fish than 7
[13:09] <thorwil> this as bg would rock ;)  http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/8-cell-simple.gif
[13:09] <kwwii> nice
[13:10] <savvas> SiDi: we have bigger fish to fry :P
[13:16] <thorwil> kwwii, sounds like something i have been mentioning a couple of times, flash-supported gui building: http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/06/adobe-launches-flash-catalyst-tool-for-rapid-ui-design.ars
[13:17] <kwwii> thorwil: wow, I will pass that on to our new flash UI guy
[13:17] <kwwii> he has been looking into doing python and clutter and all kinds of stuff
[13:18]  * thorwil wants one floss graphics-system with scripting and an top-notch authoring environment to cover all of desktop gui, web-apps and entertainment
[13:19] <kwwii> thorwil: you are not the only one :)
[13:37]  * kwwii heads out to test new lenses (everyone loves getting a gift!)...bbiab
[16:05] <SiDi> mat_t, hello. Do you receive ayatana mails ?
[16:06] <mat_t> SiDi, hi yes I do
[16:07] <SiDi> Alright, just sent a mail with that icon Mark wanted for when the AC is plugged
[16:07] <SiDi> mind giving me hints to improve it ? :)
[16:09] <SiDi> It's here for curious ubuntu-art people : http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/7791/notificationbattery100p.png :)
[16:13] <macvr> SiDi: how about making the bolt in black?
[16:13] <macvr> and at an angle of 45
[16:13] <SiDi> macvr, the background for the pic is black already
[16:14] <SiDi> I'll try, sec
[16:14] <macvr> i know but, the icon is what matters, or making the bolt darker?
[16:14] <macvr> than the battery
[16:16] <SiDi> i'll try that in a sec
[16:16] <SiDi> got some folks to help in #xubuntu right now
[16:16] <macvr> SiDi: np...
[16:28] <SiDi> I dont think it looks great at all :/
[16:29] <SiDi> The icon's form looks weird when rotated
[16:31] <macvr> SiDi: someone in the ayatana list had asked for the battery straight up? i think it was mark? did u try it like that?
[16:32] <SiDi> http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/7791/notificationbattery100p.png / http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7791/notificationbattery100p.png / http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/7791/notificationbattery100p.png
[16:32] <SiDi> straight up ? what do you mean ?
[16:32] <macvr> instead of sideways, standing
[16:32] <SiDi> oh
[16:33] <SiDi> I dont think it'd be sexier personally :p
[16:33] <macvr> i think the 3rd is good
[16:34] <SiDi> It'll be a lot of work to rotate the icon
[16:34] <SiDi> Cause the whole light gradients would have to be redone
[16:34] <macvr> i think mark had asked for it, probably to save space!
[16:34] <SiDi> and i'm far from skilled enough for this ^^
[16:34] <SiDi> It wont save space :)
[16:34] <SiDi> the place for the icon is square
[16:34] <macvr> the width
[16:34] <macvr> oh!
[16:35] <macvr> ok.
[16:35] <macvr> then why change something which looks good!
[16:36] <macvr> the 3rd image with the dark flash looks good, btw the presentation was a cool idea
[16:36] <SiDi> http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/7791/notificationbattery100p.png this one you mean ?
[16:36] <thorwil> SiDi, yeah, great presentation
[16:36] <mat_t> SiDi, I like the original
[16:36] <SiDi> Damn, everyone reads ayatana :P
[16:36] <SiDi> mat_t, me too :] But it looks a bit blurry in the notifications :/
[16:37] <macvr> this one> http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/7791/notificationbattery100p.png
[16:38] <mat_t> SiDi, maybe try with the lighter bolt
[16:41] <SiDi> i'll redraw it without curves and with slightly lighter colors in minutes
[16:41] <SiDi> gotta get something to drink first :O
[17:23] <SiDi> macvr, mat_t thorwil http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/7791/notificationbattery100p.png
[17:24] <thorwil> SiDi, can you make the zick-zack slightly larger?
[17:24] <macvr> my vote is still > http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/7791/notificationbattery100p.png   :P
[17:24] <mat_t> SiDi, try slightly brigher, subtle outline around the bolt - will make it look sharper
[17:24] <kwwii> SiDi: the bolt seems to touch the top and bottom too closely, if you ask me
[17:24] <kwwii> erm, bad explanation...sorry
[17:26] <SiDi> kwwii, i got your point
[17:26] <SiDi> subtle outline gives blurness mat_t :/
[17:26] <SiDi> i was actually gonna try not-subtle-at-all
[17:26] <mat_t> sure, whatever works best
[17:27]  * mat_t reboots
[17:29] <macvr> kwwii: i gave up on the curve! :( its just was crisp enough!  how is this? http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3705/21741737.png    http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4346/95115686.png
[17:31] <SiDi> macvr, users will kill you if that ever goes to Human
[17:31] <SiDi> The current icon is bright for empty and darker blue for full
[17:31] <kwwii> I would add a little bit of space between the bars, just a pixel or so
[17:31] <SiDi> if you put bright for full and dark for empty, you'll upset a few million current users :]
[17:32] <macvr> SiDi: they seem to be mooving away from color!
[17:32] <kwwii> but he does have a point about the active parts being dark and the inactive lighter grey
[17:32] <SiDi> Yeh but use the dark for full and light for empty :] people are too used to it, changing it will bring drama imo
[17:32] <kwwii> as that is how we denote inactivity in gtk as well
[17:32] <kwwii> SiDi: I was agreeing with you :p
[17:32] <SiDi> its really not about the design, its the same problem than for a logo. You shouldnt change it even if it sucks, or you lose all your branding
[17:33] <macvr> kwwii: so black os the incidator?
[17:33] <macvr> as
[17:33] <SiDi> kwwii, the yeh but was for macvr :D
[17:34] <macvr> SiDi: but when u go dark then in dark panels it would not display well!
[17:34] <SiDi> totally agree :D
[17:35] <macvr> *i vote colors are best
[17:35] <SiDi> http://filebin.ca/zjadkb/plugged.tar.gz
[17:35] <SiDi> i'm for the last of the set
[17:36] <SiDi> anyways i dont bother much about the panel icons : knome will make a whole set that will be the sexiest ever
[17:36] <macvr> which?
[17:36] <SiDi> get the tar.gz above
[17:38] <kwwii> macvr: well, for light and dark panels we will have to have two versions of the icons
[17:38] <kwwii> and a system to switch intelligently
[17:39] <macvr> SiDi: still i think that the last one is blurry
[17:39] <SiDi> kwwii, is it a good solution to change the icons each time the user changes his theme ? :/
[17:39] <SiDi> macvr, the 4th is just too dark and thin :)
[17:40] <macvr> kwwii: is that possible now?
[17:40] <macvr> SiDi: try white in the size of the 4
[17:40] <kwwii> SiDi: adjusting the color so that they can be seen should be acceptable
[17:41] <SiDi> macvr, thats the #1
[17:41] <kwwii> macvr: no, currently it is not possible
[17:41] <macvr> kwwii: is knome working on a panel set?
[17:41] <macvr> icon
[17:41] <kwwii> and it might come down to use stating a fact like "our default panel is dark" and making a decision based on that
[17:41] <kwwii> macvr: not sure
[17:42] <kwwii> and I have to leave for band practice now, bbl
[17:42] <macvr> kwwii: that wont be a good thing!
[17:42] <macvr> bye
[17:44] <macvr> SiDi: can the size of 1 be reduced a bit? just by 2-4 px just so that it doesnt touch the edges? its seems the best of the lot[after the black :P]
[17:45] <SiDi> It doesnt touch the edges :[
[17:46] <macvr> it looks like it does :P the diff between this and the black is the black has the white border , so it doesnt seem like it touches!
[18:20] <SiDi> the 40 and 50 icons dont rock but the rest looks good to me
[18:20] <SiDi> and its not black macvr :D
[18:21] <macvr> SiDi: :P
[18:22] <macvr> i still think that the darker one is better ! , or if u could get the white smaller?
[18:43] <knome> ehm
[18:45] <SiDi> macvr, if i get it smaller it goes really hard to see it (it is already)
[18:45] <SiDi> but feel free to pick the svg and play with it macvr ;)
[18:45] <SiDi> knome, ehm ?
[18:47] <knome> SiDi, i've not said i'm going to implement the icon theme ;)
[18:47] <knome> SiDi, at least not in the near future
[18:47] <SiDi> oh, really ?
[18:47] <knome> yeah. :P
[18:47] <SiDi> knome, i thought we'd had a pinky icon theme with mice everywhere ! :(
[18:48] <SiDi> btw, i got another completely crazy and stupid idea
[18:48] <SiDi> put the mouse in a submarine, and put the submarine in a swimming pool, add some plants and fishes, make a photo, and there you got a wallpaper for karmic
[18:48] <knome> :O
[18:49] <SiDi> (although a mouse swimming in the ocean, in a digital painting / speed painting style would rock, but i gotta find the person who _can_ do that :/)
[18:50] <macvr> SiDi: http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1239/newchz.png   how is this?
[18:50] <SiDi> macvr, like mine ? :D
[18:50] <macvr> but just that its crisper, without the stroke
[18:50] <macvr> rransparent stroke was the prob
[18:51] <macvr> transparent
[18:51] <SiDi> Send me the SVG please macvr ;)
[18:56] <macvr> SiDi: http://filebin.ca/oepwjb/new.tar
[18:58] <SiDi> Sorry but it goes too blur without a stroke :/
[18:58] <SiDi> there's not enough contrast
[19:00] <SiDi> (macvr will kill me soon, i fear :p)
[19:00] <macvr> that is another thing that need to be corrected, that shade of white doesnt do it justice :P
[19:00] <SiDi> go for black then :D
[19:00] <SiDi> and check out how it renders at 20% :D
[19:01] <SiDi> and i really dont wanna try to split the zigzag in two parts for the 40/50/60 icons :[
[19:01] <SiDi> thats hard and it'll likely not be sexy
[19:07] <macvr> SiDi: http://imagebin.ca/view/GfrHLHih.html <how is this?
[19:08] <SiDi> sexy :D
[19:08] <SiDi> but show me what it gives @ 20% of battery please
[19:10] <SiDi> https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg00170.html here is the current icon set if you dont have the 20% one
[19:13] <macvr> SiDi: oh... this was the split u kept talking about!
[19:14] <SiDi> Yeh, well :P
[19:14] <SiDi> the icon has to be visible in dark and bright backgrounds
[19:14] <SiDi> and possibly half dark half bright
[19:14] <SiDi> thats what makes it hard :(
[19:14] <SiDi> i'm gonna lag, i'll do something wick to my xfconf settings, brb
[19:14] <macvr> how do u expect to maintain the same color for dark and light and expect it to look good?
[19:15] <SiDi> by using light grey with a dark grey stroke :]
[19:15] <macvr> i would say the best option to maintain visiblity change the color of the flash
[19:17] <SiDi> Cant change ! :P
[19:18] <macvr> that is a hard one...! will try to come up with a good combo , but it might take time to figure it out ... btw why dont u want to change it? is it in the guidelines? or ur design?
[19:18] <SiDi> Its my design :]
[19:18] <SiDi> if you change it, you have to manage the 40/50/60
[19:18] <SiDi> cause they'll have both backgrounds
[19:19] <macvr> that is not prob
[19:19] <macvr> just add the gradients to the icons and the split icon will show in 2 colors?
[19:19] <macvr> but not sure how it would look :P
[19:21] <SiDi> Bad ? :D
[19:25] <SiDi> gonna eat
[19:25] <SiDi> see you
[19:35] <SiDi> ping ?
[19:36] <macvr> SiDi: how about setting the battery grey a bit darker?
[19:38] <SiDi> feel free to do so ^^
[19:38] <SiDi> im waiting for the food to be ready :D
[19:38] <SiDi> (see i'm lazy :d)
[19:42] <macvr> SiDi: http://imagebin.ca/view/kJjqHW0.html   < how is this?
[19:44] <macvr> SiDi: http://imagebin.ca/view/08JHKv.html <
[19:45] <SiDi> send me an svg and i'll play with it after lunch ;)
[19:45] <SiDi> thanks for ur experimentations btw
[19:45] <SiDi> pls drop me that at sidnioulz@gmail.com
[19:45] <macvr> how does that look?
[19:46] <SiDi> it looks cool
[19:46] <SiDi> i need the svg to check in the bubble now ^^
[19:46] <macvr> ok... in just amin i'll upload
[19:46] <SiDi> see you soon
[19:46] <SiDi> thanks
[19:46] <SiDi> i need to suspend the PC though
[19:47] <macvr> wait just a sec
[19:48] <macvr> SiDi: ping
[19:49] <macvr> SiDi: http://filebin.ca/rcnxuo/new---notification-battery-100-plugged.svg.tar i'v done only for the 100% , u can follow the gradient for the rest..
[20:43] <SiDi> dashua, hey mate, sorry, completely forgot to make the xfwm for Hanso
[20:43] <SiDi> let's say i'll work on it tonight :]
[21:00] <macvr>  SiDi: http://filebin.ca/rcnxuo/new---notification-battery-100-plugged.svg.tar i'v done only for the 100%
[21:03] <SiDi> thanks
[21:06] <macvr> SiDi: it might be a bit darker than , what u would want but, i think the only way is finding ur best choice as a middle ground between the darkness i have added and ur original svg...
[21:09] <SiDi> did you change the gradient too ?
[21:10] <SiDi> macvr, i like it, it looks better in 20 and 100
[21:10] <SiDi> now lets check in 50
[21:11] <macvr> yes , i have changed the gradient in the background, grey , making it a bit darker, makes it better visible, with white
[21:11] <macvr> flash
[21:12] <SiDi> Okey, cheers
[21:12] <SiDi> i'll redo the whole icons then
[21:12] <macvr> have fun :)
[21:25] <dashua> SiDi: No worries.  I see sabdfl is digging your ideas in ayatana ;).  Good work.
[21:29] <SiDi> cheers
[21:31] <dashua> Those battery icons work now or do I need that script?
[21:35] <SiDi> idd they work, but they're not implemented in the power manager ^^
[21:35] <SiDi> the script just shows what i have in mind
[21:35] <dashua> Ah nice
[21:35] <dashua> Watching the video now
[21:35] <SiDi> :]
[21:35] <SiDi> ive actually had comments from youtube people
[21:36] <SiDi> i understand now why people say youtube comments are really dumb :]
[21:36] <SiDi> the comment deleted by its author, i received it by mail, i still didnt understand it
[21:37] <dashua> They're almost as useful as comments on Digg
[21:37] <SiDi> except that comments on digg are understandable from times to times XD
[21:38] <dashua> Yeah
[22:12] <SiDi> kwwii, dashua do you know any ways to efficiently reduce the size of a svg file ?
[22:12] <kwwii> SiDi: well, vacuum the defaults in inkscape
[22:13] <kwwii> and save the file
[22:13] <kwwii> then repoen it and do that again
[22:13] <SiDi> alright, already doing this :]
[22:13] <SiDi> why do it twice ?
[22:13] <kwwii> or just close it and then open it and vacuum defaults
[22:13] <kwwii> well, if you do not close it you won't get rid of everything
[22:13] <kwwii> so you do not have to do it twice
[22:13] <kwwii> but I always end up doing it that way because I forget
[22:13] <kwwii> anyway
[22:14] <kwwii> you could also save it as plain svg
[22:14] <kwwii> that might or might not be smaller
[22:14] <kwwii> not sure
[22:14] <kwwii> there are probably scripts around which can reduce the size
[22:14] <SiDi> like inkscape --vacuum-defs *.svg ? :D
[22:14] <kwwii> adobe illustrator makes paths which are much smaller to begin with
[22:15] <kwwii> sadly inkscape makes lots and lots of points
[22:15] <SiDi> hm
[22:16] <SiDi> Well, thanks :P
[22:16] <SiDi> it'll stay at 100KB/icon
[22:17] <kwwii> well, if that is the template, then it is understandable
[22:17] <kwwii> it is not just one icon
[22:18] <SiDi> macvr, what is your name ?
[22:18] <Hanthor> hello?
[22:18] <SiDi> hi
[22:18] <Hanthor> you again?
[22:19] <SiDi> i'm everywhere
[22:19] <SiDi> you can't escape me
[22:19] <Hanthor> yes
[22:20] <SiDi> macvr, you dont want your name in the THANKS file in the package? :/
[22:22] <Hanthor> so what did they talk about at UDS?
[22:22] <Hanthor> Mark said that they would
[22:22] <SiDi> about what exactly ? :]
[22:22] <SiDi> We talked about many things
[22:22] <Hanthor> arywork for Karmic
[22:22] <SiDi> (esp. about the quality of the beer in spain, though)
[22:22] <darkmatter> you can put my name in the thanks package :P something like 'darkmatter, thank you for NOT contributing, you're ideas are to radical you evil, evil person you' ;o
[22:23] <SiDi> darkmatter, hm, i'll think about it :]
[22:23] <SiDi> macvr, ping ? Do you want your nick in the thanks file or your actual name ?
[22:24] <darkmatter> just put mac<guy>vr. deal with the complaints leter :O
[22:24] <darkmatter> umm.. where did that e come from? o_O
[22:24] <SiDi> i'll put mac<!darkmatter>vr.
[22:25] <SiDi> a TCP packet from you, i would say
[22:25] <Hanthor> were there any disscusions about arrwork at UDS?
[22:26] <Hanthor> wow it isn't talk like a pirate day
[22:26] <darkmatter> yargh matey?
[22:27] <SiDi> We won't let anyone know
[22:28] <SiDi> we keep everything for us, till november
[22:29] <Hanthor> isn't first drop on august 27th
[22:29] <SiDi> You wont have anything before november
[22:30] <Hanthor> oh i see
[22:30] <SiDi> (you should not believe a single word of what i say btw ~)
[22:30] <Hanthor> ok
[22:30] <SiDi> (except this phrase, maybe)
[23:59] <knome> haha
[23:59] <knome> SiDi, you are evil