[05:41] <Maple> hello
[07:31] <pitti> Good morning
[07:31] <pitti> robert_ancell: hey, how are you?
[07:32] <robert_ancell> pitti: doing good, yourself? are you over the ubuflu?
[07:32] <pitti> asac: blueprints> just set them to pending approval,  I'll get mail for it
[07:32] <pitti> robert_ancell: I just started getting ubuflu on Monday
[07:32] <pitti> I'm in the middle of it *cough* *sniff*
[07:32] <robert_ancell> hope you get better soon!
[07:33] <pitti> thanks; not the end of the world
[08:35] <lool> Hi all
[08:35] <lool> seb128: arm gnome-keyring workaround: well it will probably break if you remove it, but then we had to chase it anyway so feel free to remove it and we shall research this again this cycle; thanks
[08:50] <seb128> hello there
[08:50] <seb128> lool: ok thanks
[08:50] <seb128> robert_ancell: there?
[08:50] <robert_ancell> seb128: hey
[08:50] <robert_ancell> seb128: building totem for the millionth time...
[08:50] <seb128> robert_ancell: hello! had a good trip back to your part of the world?
[08:50] <robert_ancell> seb128: long and tedious as normal :)
[08:51] <seb128> hehe
[08:52] <robert_ancell> I hear you got the ubuflu.  I seem to have missed that one
[08:52] <seb128> it's not really the flu, or at least not the chilian one with fever and everything
[08:52] <seb128> just running nose, etc ... standard cold
[08:53] <robert_ancell> yes, the meeting got steadily noisier with coughing as UDS went on
[08:53] <robert_ancell> meetings
[08:54] <crevette> hello
[08:54] <seb128> blame ie on the climate control being set on too cold
[08:54] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128 - did you have a good couple of weeks?
[08:55] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson, excellent out of the uds-cold, thanks
[08:56] <seb128> thanks for the gnome-applets update ;-)
[08:56] <chrisccoulson> you're welcome. apart from that, i didn't really do that much while you were at UDS ;)
[08:56] <seb128> there is no hurry to do anything right now
[08:57] <chrisccoulson> cool. i was just about to ask if you had lots of work for me to do ;)
[08:58] <seb128> you are looking for work?
[08:58] <seb128> robert_ancell: what issues do you have to get totem to build?
[08:59] <chrisccoulson> i could probably do a bit if there is some to do. the only thing i'm working on at the moment really is http://live.gnome.org/LowDiskSpaceWarning
[09:00] <robert_ancell> seb128: I'm still confused by the totem.postinst (I've just added || true to get around this currently) and when I try and install the new packages through dpkg it always seems to conflict
[09:06] <seb128> robert_ancell: is your current code online somewhere?
[09:06] <seb128> ie in bzr?
[09:06] <seb128> btw some note, just do your changes directly to the ubuntu-desktop bzr
[09:06] <seb128> doing the change somewhere else is good when you don't have write access to this one
[09:06] <robert_ancell> bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Erobert-ancell/totem/ubuntu/
[09:06] <seb128> hey rodrigo_
[09:07] <rodrigo_> hi seb128!
[09:07] <robert_ancell> seb128: yup, will do in the future
[09:07] <seb128> rodrigo_: how are you? had a nice trip back after uds?
[09:07] <seb128> robert_ancell: "rodrigo_@opensuse" ... you might want to change that ;-)
[09:07] <rodrigo_> seb128: now almost recovered from UDS, what about you?
[09:08] <seb128> rodrigo_: I got a cold but otherwise I'm good thanks
[09:08] <rodrigo_> seb128: yeah, I guess so :)
[09:08] <rodrigo_> seb128: again??
[09:08]  * rodrigo_ still with no flu
[09:09] <seb128> yeah ... that's what you get when sharing room with somebody having the chilian flu at uds
[09:09] <seb128> btw has somebody seen pedro recently?
[09:09] <rodrigo_> seb128: no, haven't, ho got back home ok, right?
[09:09] <seb128> I don't know that's why I'm asking
[09:09] <rodrigo_> s/ho/he
[09:10] <seb128> I've no seen him since UDS
[09:10] <robert_ancell> seb128: am I missing something here, I try installing the new packages with dpkg but it gets into dependency loops (http://paste.ubuntu.com/187208/) - can dpkg do this or do I need them in an APT repository to handle an upgrade like this?
[09:10] <rodrigo_> hmm
[09:11] <robert_ancell> seb128: well he got to the airport, we shared a cab there
[09:11] <seb128> ok
[09:11] <seb128> robert_ancell: the error suggest that you built from somewhere where control was outdated
[09:12] <seb128> robert_ancell: "totem-plugins depends on totem-gstreamer (= 2.26.2-0ubuntu1) | totem-xine (= 2.26.2-0ubuntu1)"
[09:12] <robert_ancell> seb128: he was feeling sick though so he may not be working
[09:12] <seb128> right, I was just wondering if he arrived safely
[09:12] <robert_ancell> seb128: I did that at first, then rebuilt control and it still seems to be doing that
[09:12] <seb128> he was joking about not being allow to leave the airport if he had fever
[09:13] <seb128> because of the flu paranoia etc
[09:13] <seb128> so I'm just checking if that was a joke ;-)
[09:13] <seb128> robert_ancell: dpkg -I totem-plugins_2.27.1-1ubuntu1_i386.deb | grep Depends
[09:13] <mvo> I take the gnome-doc-utils sponsoring (if noone is on it already)
[09:14] <seb128> mvo: thanks
[09:14] <robert_ancell> seb128: looks ok i think? http://paste.ubuntu.com/187210/
[09:14] <pitti> seb128, robert_ancell: bug 380850 makes me unsure whether to sponsor this
[09:15] <seb128> robert_ancell: indeed, I'm wondering from where you get this " totem-plugins depends on totem-gstreamer (= 2.26.2-0ubuntu1) | totem-xine (= 2.26.2-0ubuntu1)"
[09:15] <seb128> pitti: what about it? the libraries?
[09:15] <pitti> seb128: yes
[09:16] <pitti> haven't looked at it yet, though
[09:16] <seb128> pitti: I told robert_ancell during uds to do the update, we can split later when required
[09:16] <seb128> it's just a Replaces to add
[09:16] <seb128> and we will not need to keep it next cycle if that's done before karmic
[09:16] <seb128> I'm not sure if those libs make sense yet and if something will use those
[09:17] <seb128> ie let's get the new version we can decide on that later
[09:17] <pitti> okay
[09:17] <seb128> robert_ancell: btw you can "sudo dpkg -i totem*2.27*.deb"
[09:17] <seb128> robert_ancell: dpkg doesn't handle things as smartly than apt, sometime you need to run that twice to get things installed
[09:18] <seb128> especially if there is some conflicts, etc
[09:18] <seb128> robert_ancell: I'm build totem from your bzr right now, will let you know in one minute of it works there
[09:18] <robert_ancell> seb128: ok, thanks
[09:18] <seb128> hey sabdfl
[09:19] <robert_ancell> seb128: yes, running dpkg twice seems to have done it.  Stupid dpkg! :P
[09:19] <seb128> mvo: do we need to unregister alternatives in preinst if the previous version had a prerm doing that?
[09:20] <seb128> mvo: ie totem is concerned there
[09:20] <seb128> totem 2.26 had that preinst
[09:20] <seb128> "if [ "$1" = "remove" ] || [ "$1" = "deconfigure" ] ; then
[09:20] <seb128>         update-alternatives --quiet --remove gnome-video-thumbnailer \
[09:20] <seb128>                 /usr/bin/totem-${FLAVOUR}-video-thumbnailer
[09:20] <seb128>         update-alternatives --quiet --remove totem /usr/bin/totem-${FLAVOUR} fi"
[09:20] <seb128> fi"
[09:21] <seb128> if 2.27 drops all update-alternative handling those will be unregistered on upgrade and not registered again which does the job no?
[09:22] <seb128> slomo added a postint to 2.27 in debian doing
[09:22] <seb128> "if [ "$1" = configure ] && dpkg --compare-versions "$2" lt "2.27.1-1" ; then
[09:22] <seb128>         update-alternatives --quiet --remove-all gnome-video-thumbnailer
[09:22] <seb128>         update-alternatives --quiet --remove-all totem
[09:22] <seb128> "
[09:22] <seb128> is that required?
[09:22] <lool> mvo: I'm dist upgrading my desktop to karmic, and I don't get the screen-profiles -> byobu issue (aka byobu is properly selected for installation)
[09:22] <asac> crevette: gnome-bluetooth merge ... is that a sync?
[09:23] <seb128> asac, lool, pitti: ^ second opinion welcomed ;-)
[09:23] <lool> I just don't know why it's removing mercurial
[09:23] <asac> lool: python < 2.6
[09:24] <lool> asac: ok, I expected such an issue; thanks
[09:24] <robert_ancell> seb128: the other thing that needs doing is building the new C youtube plugin.  It needs libgdata to build.  I think it was disabled in Debian? (or is being disable because the builddeps aren't there)
[09:24] <pitti> seb128: ugh, TBH I'm not that familiar with alternatives handling, I'm afraid
[09:25] <pochu> seb128: you need it for the Hardy -> $nextlts upgrades, don't you?
[09:25] <asac> seb128: if the prerm was dont correct then preinst shouldnt need to remove it
[09:25] <seb128> robert_ancell: slomo did upload libgdata to debian yesterday, don't build the plugin until we do sync it
[09:25] <asac> s/dont/done/
[09:25] <seb128> doh
[09:26] <lool> seb128: We might not need it, but it might be to force any other alternative to go away
[09:26] <asac> seb128: oh let me reread the example
[09:26] <lool> seb128: e.g. perhaps someone added a third /usr/local/bin/thumbnailer to the alternative?
[09:26] <seb128> is 2.26 preinst triggered when upgrading to 2.27
[09:26] <robert_ancell> seb128: ok, I'm off now.  Feel free to make any progress you want on totem :)
[09:26] <lool> seb128: That's the only thing I can think of; perhaps slomo had another use case
[09:26] <mvo> seb128: the preinst on upgrade is called with "upgrade" so the 2.26 preinst above would not remove the alternative. but the 2.27 should be ok
[09:26] <seb128> robert_ancell: ok, have a good evening, see you tomorrow
[09:27] <seb128> did I already say how much I dislike alternatives? ;-)
[09:27] <mvo> seb128: but I'm not a huge expert for alternatives myself (and I whish they would be declarative :)
[09:27] <asac> ack ;)
[09:27] <robert_ancell> later all
[09:27] <asac> seb128: so is there any --remove in any *rm script in 2.26?
[09:27] <mvo> robert_ancell: do you still need brasero sponsoring?
[09:27] <seb128> the thing is just ridiculously complex and bug prone most of the time
[09:27] <seb128> mvo: pitti is on it apparently, he did a comment about it some minutes ago
[09:28] <pitti> can do it
[09:28] <robert_ancell> mvo: pitti: cheers
[09:28] <crevette> asac, in a sync I guess you don't change something the packaging?
[09:28] <seb128> asac: yes, totem-gstreamer.prerm and totem-xine.prerm both remove themself from the alternative
[09:29] <seb128> but using
[09:29] <seb128> if [ "$1" = "remove" ] || [ "$1" = "deconfigure" ] ; then
[09:29] <seb128> so probably not on upgrade?
[09:29] <pochu> but you won't get those called from hardy upgrades, or am I missing something?
[09:29] <seb128> pochu: why not?
[09:30] <pochu> oh, they were in the hardy packages too?
[09:30] <seb128> yes
[09:30] <pochu> ah ok :)
[09:31] <asac> deconfigure is unclear to me
[09:31] <asac> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html talks about conflicts
[09:32] <asac>     *
[09:32] <asac>       deconfigured's-prerm deconfigure in-favour package-being-installed version [removing conflicting-package version]
[09:32] <asac>     *
[09:32] <pitti> seb128: will you sponsor gdl? you commented on it
[09:32] <pitti> mvo: sponsoring bug 379474 is assigned to you, will you review/upload?
[09:33] <seb128> pitti: yes, did robert_ancell update it? yesterday it was still pending work
[09:33] <pitti> seb128: still pending
[09:33] <seb128> pitti: I will do gdl and anjuta
[09:33] <asac> crevette: are there still changes in packaging that we want to keep for gnome-bluetooth?
[09:34] <crevette> asac, we want to use the notification patch did by canonical from bluez-gnome in gnome-bluetooth
[09:34] <asac> ah ok. then merge yeah
[09:34] <rodrigo_> seb128: was pedro supposed to work this week, or maybe he's got some vacation?
[09:34] <mvo> pitti: I'm looking at it currently
[09:34] <crevette> it is the only patch it remains, before seeing debian did the package I reviewed all the pathces
[09:35] <seb128> rodrigo_: monday was an holiday and he was supposed to work yesterday according to the canonical calendar
[09:35] <seb128> he maybe still got the flu
[09:35] <rodrigo_> yeah, or is quarantining at the airport :)
[09:36] <seb128> it's middle of the night for him, I will try to contact him later if he doesn't show up today
[09:36] <rodrigo_> yeah
[09:36] <pitti> seb128: I don't see a necessary "Replaces:" for brasero (Robert didn't actually split out libbrasero-burn into a separate package), what did you mean?
[09:36] <seb128> pitti: I mean that we can do the update now, if we need to split the library later if will only cost an extra replaces use
[09:37] <seb128> if -> it
[09:37] <pitti> seb128: ah, I see; roger
[09:38] <pitti> libtotem-plparser-dev: Depends: libcamel1.2-dev but it is not going to be installed
[09:38] <pitti> meh
[09:39] <pitti> ah, seems that evolution is i386/amd64 desync
[09:39] <pitti> seb128: ok, will upload brasero later, when this was sorted out
[09:39] <seb128> ok
[09:40] <seb128> it's weird that it's in desync it didn't change recently
[09:40] <pitti> hm, and all built
[09:40] <seb128> pitti: you probably have mix jaunty-proposed and karmic
[09:40] <seb128> the karmic version is older than the jaunty-proposed one
[09:41] <seb128> ie enable jaunty-proposed if you need
[09:41] <seb128> that was not clear, said differently
[09:41] <seb128> are you sure you didn't install libraries for jaunty-proposed and commented the source since?
[09:41] <seb128> which would mean it can't find matching versions in karmic
[09:41] <seb128> just random guess
[09:44] <pitti> seb128: I copied some packages from jaunty-proposed to karmic
[09:44] <pitti> rmadison -s karmic -S evolution-data-server looks okay to me
[09:44] <seb128> now?
[09:45] <pitti> no, days ago
[09:46] <seb128> pitti: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server disagrees
[09:46] <seb128> pitti: and apt-cache policy on my karmic box says it's 2.26.1-0ubuntu1
[09:46] <seb128> where jaunty proposed has 2.26.1-0ubuntu2
[09:46] <pitti> aah, that's not in -updates yet
[09:46]  * pitti copies
[09:47] <pitti> seb128: that had some positive feedback now
[09:47] <seb128> I was just looking to it too
[09:47] <seb128> current comment confirm it's working
[09:48] <seb128> and comment 39 as well
[09:51] <pitti> okay, fixed locally now, thanks
[09:52] <seb128> np ;-)
[10:35] <seb128> pitti: could you push your pessulus upload to bzr and make sure somebody upstream this change?
[10:37] <pitti> seb128: sorry; pushed, and pinged Alessio
[10:37] <seb128> thanks
[14:15] <crevette> yeah http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=468690
[14:15] <crevette> I didn't notice I recieved the mail
[14:15] <crevette> good new for gnome-user-share
[14:20]  * SiDi is setting up a spec page for that power information notification stuff.
[14:22]  * pitti packages the new g-p-m
[14:23] <pitti> seb128: ^ ok?
[14:23] <seb128> pitti: sure!
[14:23] <pitti> this will get rid of another item on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Halsectomy
[14:32] <jcastro> seb128: I am going to ask pedro to schedule an empathy hug day asap, alot of these bugs need to be upstreamed, etc.
[14:32] <seb128> jcastro: hey jcastro, have you seen pedro since uds?
[14:32] <jcastro> holiday I think, I've been on holiday too
[14:33] <seb128> canonicaladmin since he was on holidays only monday, not yesterday
[14:33] <seb128> since -> says
[14:34] <jcastro> hmmm
[14:34] <seb128> jcastro: otherwise yes a bug day seems a good idea there
[14:35] <seb128> jcastro: banshee could use a such bugday too
[14:36] <jcastro> seb128: I was thinking of having a bunch for everything new on the desktop
[14:36] <jcastro> seb128: and also like wiki pages for each on progress being made on concerns, etc.
[14:37] <seb128> cool
[14:38] <jcastro> seb128: A bunch of this change is kenvandine's fault, I think he should set it up. :p
[14:38] <seb128> indeed!
[17:15] <seb128> make him do it? ;-)
[17:15]  * seb128 runs
[17:15] <didrocks> ahah
[17:15] <didrocks> let's say that if he doesn't answer, he agrees :)
[17:15] <james_w> no!
[17:16] <didrocks> too late ^^
[17:19] <seb128> didrocks: was worth trying ;-)
[17:19] <didrocks> seb128: I will make him drink tonight, and then, he can't refuse :)
[17:19] <seb128> can't refuse but can't type without typo either? ;-)
[17:20] <didrocks> seb128: :-)
[17:21] <didrocks> seb128: out for now, see you later/tomorrow evening (surely ;))
[17:21] <didrocks> we will have some flamenkuche :)
[17:22] <seb128> didrocks: enjoy!
[17:23] <didrocks> seb128: thanks! Have a good evening.
[17:23] <seb128> thanks
[17:28] <iulian> Am I allowed to sponsor a package if it's maintained in Bazaar and ~ubuntu-desktop is the owner?
[17:29] <iulian> Hmm, well, I believe when the package lands in the archive, the branch should be updated as well.
[17:30] <jpds> iulian: Propose a branch merge into the ~ubuntu-desktop ?
[17:33] <pitti> didrocks: you mean the "ubuntu flu"? developing :(
[17:36] <iulian> jpds: I was looking at bug #375843.  Robert has commit rights but not upload rights, so having that said, I will just have to update the changelog after uploading.
[17:36] <iulian> I mean, to target karmic instead of UNRELEASED.
[17:40]  * iulian is afk for half an hour or so.
[17:40] <iulian> Supper.
[17:41] <jpds> iulian: Yeah, that should be done on upload and then commited.
[17:54] <iulian> jpds: So, I believe in this case the best thing is to upload and let Robert to update the branch in Bazaar, right?
[17:54] <iulian> That's a bit odd though.  I will just let the folks from ~ubuntu-desktop to sponsor.
[17:54] <seb128> what?
[17:58] <iulian> seb128: I was looking at the sponsoring queue and found out that bug #375843 needs a sponsor.  I am not sure what the best thing is to do in this case.  I don't have commit rights so after uploading to ubuntu, the bzr branch should be updated as well.
[17:59] <seb128> iulian: I doubt you will be able to build that until getting the new gdl
[17:59] <seb128> iulian: which I reviewed this morning and still need work
[17:59] <iulian> What do you recommend to someone that doesn't have commit rights but wish to sponsor a package which is maintained in bzr and the owner is ubuntu-desktop?
[17:59] <iulian> seb128: Aha
[18:00] <seb128> iulian: to not bother about bzr, we should not have universe packages there that's an error
[18:01] <iulian> Yea, right.  I was a bit confused.
[18:02]  * iulian goes back to finish his meal.
[18:42] <pitti> good night everyone!
[18:45] <SiDi> night pitti
[19:56] <crevette> anyone here ?
[19:57] <seb128> crevette: don't ask to ask just ask?
[19:57] <crevette> hey seb128
[19:57] <seb128> hi crevette
[19:59] <crevette> I wanted to do a merge (didn't do one for a while), should I kept the ubuntu changelog and just and the lasted debian change + my merge, or should I put the debian changelog?
[19:59] <crevette> this is for gnome-bluetooth
[20:00] <crevette> s/and/add/
[20:07] <seb128> crevette: both are fine, we tend to summarize all the changes in the new changelog entry there
[20:07] <seb128> but some people have different workflows
[20:16] <crevette> ah, actually this is not a merge, the packge was not yet published...
[20:17] <crevette> I had the packaging from SVN, is it considered as a merge?
[20:17] <seb128> a merge is taking a debian package and applying ubuntu changes
[20:18] <crevette> I took the packaging from debian SVN following maintainer advice
[20:19] <seb128> crevette: sound a good choice, so just as for a sync or if you have change run dch -i over it and do you change and list those in the changelog
[20:20] <crevette> okay, so this is not a problem. great
[20:20] <seb128> not at all
[20:22] <crevette> can I add to a fork that it fixes LP bug of its ancestor?
[20:30] <crevette> I cannot generate the debdiff between debian and ubuntu dsc
[21:11] <crevette> Laney: hey, I updated the bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/372395
[22:25] <didrocks> pitti: yes, the ubuntu flu. Have some rest :/
[23:58] <bryce> heya robert_ancell
[23:58] <robert_ancell> bryce: hey
[23:59] <robert_ancell> my mouse has stopped working but it's kernel, not X :)
[23:59] <bryce> robert_ancell: btw do you take care of blacklist/unblacklist of chips for compiz?  I think we could probably drop blacklisting for the 3 intel chips