| * pleia2 pats ubuntulog | 12:59 | |
| pleia2 | yay :) | 12:59 |
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| pleia2 | (I opened a ticket to get it a while ago) | 13:02 |
| Yassine_Tn | I have Ubuntu desktop edition, and I need to run an OS without a graphical Interface (PC too old). Can I install Ubuntu Desktop edition and use it like the server edition ? | 13:22 |
| pleia2 | \o/ | 17:15 |
| jpds | I have done some sysadmin pokage. | 17:16 |
| doctormo | o/ | 17:16 |
| pleia2 | yeah, spads said he and elmo were working on it when I /msged | 17:17 |
| jpds | Should be coming back now. | 17:17 |
| doctormo | Hey jpds, how are you? I'm back in Boston today :-) | 17:18 |
| jpds | doctormo: Not too bad, thanks. | 17:18 |
| doctormo | hmm, no sign of Vantrax today, just when we need a talk :-D | 21:49 |
| doctormo | pleia2: what was the result of the CC meeting? | 21:50 |
| pleia2 | doctormo: yesterday? green light from CC :) | 21:50 |
| doctormo | great :-) | 21:50 |
| pleia2 | they like the project, think we're on the right track | 21:50 |
| doctormo | Now we just gotta sort out this CC-NC problem, agh. | 21:51 |
| pleia2 | they got us our lists.ubuntu.com mailing list and the ubuntulog bot for the channel | 21:51 |
| * pleia2 nods | 21:51 | |
| pleia2 | that came up at the meeting too, but we moved along so not to bog down the meeting too much | 21:51 |
| pleia2 | greg-g is available to help out when we're ready to talk | 21:51 |
| doctormo | pleia2: What was the general feeling of the Community Council about it? | 21:53 |
| doctormo | Or should I say, what was their preference. | 21:54 |
| pleia2 | doctormo: very positive | 21:54 |
| pleia2 | and they were happy we came to present it to them, wished more teams would | 21:54 |
| doctormo | pleia2: They approve strongly of the Non-Commercial clause? why? | 21:54 |
| pleia2 | ooh, that specifically? | 21:54 |
| pleia2 | no, NC got bogged down in the same thing as it always does, I think they don't want NC | 21:54 |
| pleia2 | but there is the whole issue with the canonical training materials being NC | 21:55 |
| doctormo | Ah ok, that makes more sense. | 21:55 |
| doctormo | Yes, we might have to be strict with that, I don't want deritivitive works that are all useless to the wider community. | 21:55 |
| pleia2 | agreed | 21:55 |
| pleia2 | there was also dicussion of the unclear licensing of the ubuntu wiki | 21:57 |
| doctormo | That's not a good sign | 21:57 |
| pleia2 | I believe the CC is going to handle that and let us know | 21:57 |
| doctormo | OK, well I don't believe they would add restrictive terms, so it's probably just a matter of publicity. | 21:58 |
| * pleia2 nods | 22:03 | |
| Vantrax | Ello chums | 22:55 |
| Vantrax | its so quiet today | 23:08 |
| doctormo | Vantrax: Hi, not quiet, you weren't here when I was chatting before :-) | 23:08 |
| Vantrax | ahh | 23:09 |
| * Vantrax does the happy dance | 23:09 | |
| Vantrax | we have a proper mailing list | 23:09 |
| doctormo | [11:14] <doctormo> We need to talk because NC is going to be poisonous for these learning materials and I'd like to be working on something open source, NC isn't even allowed by launchpad. | 23:10 |
| doctormo | [11:14] <doctormo> I was trying to explain before why we should be specifically exluding sources that are too restrictive. including the canonical desktop training manual if they can't relisence. | 23:10 |
| Vantrax | ahh | 23:11 |
| Vantrax | this is a problem | 23:11 |
| doctormo | indeed it is | 23:11 |
| Vantrax | the CC is looking at this problem for the wiki at the moment too | 23:11 |
| doctormo | I hope they fall on the none NC side too, NC is far too crazy and costly to manage and even from a technical stand point it's a mess. | 23:12 |
| Vantrax | the big problem is the desktop training course is the perfect workbook for us, just in a bad format | 23:12 |
| Vantrax | doctormo: we already have NC stuff, look at the moodle training courses | 23:12 |
| doctormo | Vantrax: I'm calling on us to be firm on this, it's important for us to work in Open Source terms and the Desktop Training manual isn't. | 23:13 |
| Vantrax | what we produce should be BY-SA | 23:13 |
| doctormo | Vantrax: Why do we have NC stuff already? | 23:13 |
| doctormo | I thought we'd talked about this? | 23:13 |
| Vantrax | what we reuse is a little harder because it measn we have to generate more materials | 23:13 |
| Vantrax | the how to moodle on the wiki right now is produced by a highschool as by-nc-sa | 23:14 |
| doctormo | Vantrax: I agree, it is harder | 23:14 |
| doctormo | But it's very important | 23:14 |
| doctormo | If we can't get a relicense on the highschool course, then that's going to be a sticking point. | 23:14 |
| pleia2 | can we have different courses with different licenses depending on the source material? | 23:16 |
| pleia2 | I think having anything NC is unfortunate, and we will put warnings on it, but I think it might be a mistake to toss out those resources entirely | 23:17 |
| doctormo | pleia2: Some of what we need to do may be education of upstream, most of the time NC is completly inapropriate and is just used because of fear. | 23:18 |
| pleia2 | doctormo: but if they won't budge (I don't think Canonical will budge on their training material), should we give up on using it at all? | 23:19 |
| doctormo | pleia2: yes | 23:19 |
| pleia2 | I think as a general policy for the team it's good, but exceptions should be considered | 23:19 |
| doctormo | It's unfortunate, but NC can be quite nasty, do we really want to work of holding NC works in a special pen so they don't start leaching into other materials? | 23:20 |
| pleia2 | fair point, probably not | 23:20 |
| Vantrax | doctormo: +1 | 23:21 |
| Vantrax | this is why I like having you as part of this board | 23:21 |
| doctormo | Vantrax: Your very own richard stallman... with better grooming habbits ;-) | 23:21 |
| Vantrax | I think exceptions will be made, its a practical reality, but we need to be very careful about how its contained | 23:22 |
| pleia2 | Vantrax: +1 | 23:22 |
| Vantrax | the how to moodle is a great example, it s a complete self contained course clearly marked | 23:22 |
| doctormo | Not that I wan't to be a stick in the mud, I'm just concerned with future growth and consistancy. | 23:22 |
| Vantrax | doctormo: this is part of what needs to be sorted out by us, how the project will be implemented, grow, and be managed | 23:23 |
| doctormo | Vantrax: I may be able to make an exception to the "how to moodle" with these additions: that it is very clearly marked and that we make a point of asking for a re-license. | 23:23 |
| doctormo | We can't copy and paste from or use the how to moodle as a course template, for instance. | 23:23 |
| Vantrax | that is fair enough, we can ask the same of dinda as well, but its unlikely to be granted | 23:23 |
| Vantrax | no we cant, cp is ment to be working on a template | 23:24 |
| pleia2 | perhaps we can put together some kind of draft letter for these requests, outlining why NC is tricky? | 23:24 |
| Vantrax | yes | 23:25 |
| doctormo | That would be great. | 23:25 |
| Vantrax | chief of which is NC is not defined | 23:25 |
| doctormo | These people don't often expect to earn money from relicensing, they're just being human, fear. | 23:25 |
| Vantrax | doctormo: can you work with gregg to draft that | 23:26 |
| doctormo | Although our main point is "We're open source, NC isn't" | 23:26 |
| Vantrax | you seem to be good with the putting words together thingy | 23:26 |
| doctormo | Aye | 23:26 |
| Vantrax | and can you throw that up on the tasks page too | 23:26 |
| pleia2 | which reminds me, these past couple weeks I've been following up with teams (it's been hard with UDS), talking to effie about loco teams stuff | 23:28 |
| pleia2 | mostly the teams are now pondering Classroom things until we can get them hooked up with Moodle, so essentially they're waiting on us | 23:29 |
| doctormo | Done | 23:31 |
| bodhi_zazen | OMG a conversation in this channel :) | 23:38 |
| doctormo | bodhi_zazen: conversion? | 23:39 |
| bodhi_zazen | sweet pleia2 :) | 23:43 |
| Vantrax | i think we should take the current server link off the wiki page | 23:53 |
| pleia2 | why? | 23:54 |
| Vantrax | we dont want people not involved going to it untill the theme is there at the very least | 23:54 |
| Vantrax | it looks like crap atm >.< | 23:54 |
| Vantrax | Id rather not have it there, then have people look at it before we make it pretty | 23:54 |
| Vantrax | especially considering the wiki page will be linked in my post to planet. | 23:55 |
| Vantrax | and to the news team/fridge | 23:55 |
| pleia2 | I dunno, I think transparency in this project is important, I'd rather not hide things from potential contributors | 23:55 |
| pleia2 | maybe someone who reads it will say "I am an expert moodle themer, can I help? :) | 23:56 |
| Vantrax | that is true, but contributors will come to the irc channel | 23:56 |
| Vantrax | or send a mail to the list | 23:57 |
| Vantrax | at the same time other people could go see it and think the project is a joke because the server doesnt look like much (YET) | 23:57 |
| pleia2 | I would really rather not make it hard for people to see our resources or contribute, no matter what the state they're in | 23:57 |
| Vantrax | im going to be spending a bit of time on dev for the theme this weekend | 23:57 |
| Vantrax | hrm, maybe ill just delay the announcment till I finish the theme | 23:58 |
| Vantrax | either way i need to be able to upload the theme to the test site bodhi_zazen | 23:58 |
| Vantrax | oh, were being logged now? | 23:59 |
| * Vantrax points to ubuntulog | 23:59 | |
| bodhi_zazen | Vantrax: do you have a ssh key ? | 23:59 |
| bodhi_zazen | where does your theme go exactly ? | 23:59 |
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