[12:59] * pleia2 pats ubuntulog [12:59] yay :) [13:02] (I opened a ticket to get it a while ago) [13:22] I have Ubuntu desktop edition, and I need to run an OS without a graphical Interface (PC too old). Can I install Ubuntu Desktop edition and use it like the server edition ? [17:15] \o/ [17:16] I have done some sysadmin pokage. [17:16] o/ [17:17] yeah, spads said he and elmo were working on it when I /msged [17:17] Should be coming back now. [17:18] Hey jpds, how are you? I'm back in Boston today :-) [17:18] doctormo: Not too bad, thanks. [21:49] hmm, no sign of Vantrax today, just when we need a talk :-D [21:50] pleia2: what was the result of the CC meeting? [21:50] doctormo: yesterday? green light from CC :) [21:50] great :-) [21:50] they like the project, think we're on the right track [21:51] Now we just gotta sort out this CC-NC problem, agh. [21:51] they got us our lists.ubuntu.com mailing list and the ubuntulog bot for the channel [21:51] * pleia2 nods [21:51] that came up at the meeting too, but we moved along so not to bog down the meeting too much [21:51] greg-g is available to help out when we're ready to talk [21:53] pleia2: What was the general feeling of the Community Council about it? [21:54] Or should I say, what was their preference. [21:54] doctormo: very positive [21:54] and they were happy we came to present it to them, wished more teams would [21:54] pleia2: They approve strongly of the Non-Commercial clause? why? [21:54] ooh, that specifically? [21:54] no, NC got bogged down in the same thing as it always does, I think they don't want NC [21:55] but there is the whole issue with the canonical training materials being NC [21:55] Ah ok, that makes more sense. [21:55] Yes, we might have to be strict with that, I don't want deritivitive works that are all useless to the wider community. [21:55] agreed [21:57] there was also dicussion of the unclear licensing of the ubuntu wiki [21:57] That's not a good sign [21:57] I believe the CC is going to handle that and let us know [21:58] OK, well I don't believe they would add restrictive terms, so it's probably just a matter of publicity. [22:03] * pleia2 nods [22:55] Ello chums [23:08] its so quiet today [23:08] Vantrax: Hi, not quiet, you weren't here when I was chatting before :-) [23:09] ahh [23:09] * Vantrax does the happy dance [23:09] we have a proper mailing list [23:10] [11:14] We need to talk because NC is going to be poisonous for these learning materials and I'd like to be working on something open source, NC isn't even allowed by launchpad. [23:10] [11:14] I was trying to explain before why we should be specifically exluding sources that are too restrictive. including the canonical desktop training manual if they can't relisence. [23:11] ahh [23:11] this is a problem [23:11] indeed it is [23:11] the CC is looking at this problem for the wiki at the moment too [23:12] I hope they fall on the none NC side too, NC is far too crazy and costly to manage and even from a technical stand point it's a mess. [23:12] the big problem is the desktop training course is the perfect workbook for us, just in a bad format [23:12] doctormo: we already have NC stuff, look at the moodle training courses [23:13] Vantrax: I'm calling on us to be firm on this, it's important for us to work in Open Source terms and the Desktop Training manual isn't. [23:13] what we produce should be BY-SA [23:13] Vantrax: Why do we have NC stuff already? [23:13] I thought we'd talked about this? [23:13] what we reuse is a little harder because it measn we have to generate more materials [23:14] the how to moodle on the wiki right now is produced by a highschool as by-nc-sa [23:14] Vantrax: I agree, it is harder [23:14] But it's very important [23:14] If we can't get a relicense on the highschool course, then that's going to be a sticking point. [23:16] can we have different courses with different licenses depending on the source material? [23:17] I think having anything NC is unfortunate, and we will put warnings on it, but I think it might be a mistake to toss out those resources entirely [23:18] pleia2: Some of what we need to do may be education of upstream, most of the time NC is completly inapropriate and is just used because of fear. [23:19] doctormo: but if they won't budge (I don't think Canonical will budge on their training material), should we give up on using it at all? [23:19] pleia2: yes [23:19] I think as a general policy for the team it's good, but exceptions should be considered [23:20] It's unfortunate, but NC can be quite nasty, do we really want to work of holding NC works in a special pen so they don't start leaching into other materials? [23:20] fair point, probably not [23:21] doctormo: +1 [23:21] this is why I like having you as part of this board [23:21] Vantrax: Your very own richard stallman... with better grooming habbits ;-) [23:22] I think exceptions will be made, its a practical reality, but we need to be very careful about how its contained [23:22] Vantrax: +1 [23:22] the how to moodle is a great example, it s a complete self contained course clearly marked [23:22] Not that I wan't to be a stick in the mud, I'm just concerned with future growth and consistancy. [23:23] doctormo: this is part of what needs to be sorted out by us, how the project will be implemented, grow, and be managed [23:23] Vantrax: I may be able to make an exception to the "how to moodle" with these additions: that it is very clearly marked and that we make a point of asking for a re-license. [23:23] We can't copy and paste from or use the how to moodle as a course template, for instance. [23:23] that is fair enough, we can ask the same of dinda as well, but its unlikely to be granted [23:24] no we cant, cp is ment to be working on a template [23:24] perhaps we can put together some kind of draft letter for these requests, outlining why NC is tricky? [23:25] yes [23:25] That would be great. [23:25] chief of which is NC is not defined [23:25] These people don't often expect to earn money from relicensing, they're just being human, fear. [23:26] doctormo: can you work with gregg to draft that [23:26] Although our main point is "We're open source, NC isn't" [23:26] you seem to be good with the putting words together thingy [23:26] Aye [23:26] and can you throw that up on the tasks page too [23:28] which reminds me, these past couple weeks I've been following up with teams (it's been hard with UDS), talking to effie about loco teams stuff [23:29] mostly the teams are now pondering Classroom things until we can get them hooked up with Moodle, so essentially they're waiting on us [23:31] Done [23:38] OMG a conversation in this channel :) [23:39] bodhi_zazen: conversion? [23:43] sweet pleia2 :) [23:53] i think we should take the current server link off the wiki page [23:54] why? [23:54] we dont want people not involved going to it untill the theme is there at the very least [23:54] it looks like crap atm >.< [23:54] Id rather not have it there, then have people look at it before we make it pretty [23:55] especially considering the wiki page will be linked in my post to planet. [23:55] and to the news team/fridge [23:55] I dunno, I think transparency in this project is important, I'd rather not hide things from potential contributors [23:56] maybe someone who reads it will say "I am an expert moodle themer, can I help? :) [23:56] that is true, but contributors will come to the irc channel [23:57] or send a mail to the list [23:57] at the same time other people could go see it and think the project is a joke because the server doesnt look like much (YET) [23:57] I would really rather not make it hard for people to see our resources or contribute, no matter what the state they're in [23:57] im going to be spending a bit of time on dev for the theme this weekend [23:58] hrm, maybe ill just delay the announcment till I finish the theme [23:58] either way i need to be able to upload the theme to the test site bodhi_zazen [23:59] oh, were being logged now? [23:59] * Vantrax points to ubuntulog [23:59] Vantrax: do you have a ssh key ? [23:59] where does your theme go exactly ?