[00:04] <sparr> All plasma-themed display elements have a visible delay after the background appears before the contents appear.  This includes menus, popups, dialogs, windows.  This happens with Desktop Effects off.  It happens on KDE 4.1, 4.2.2, 4.2.3, on debian unstable, kubuntu intrepid and jaunty, and with video drivers nvidia, nv, vesa.  While it happens (<1 second) both Xorg and plasma take 20%+ CPU.  Thou
[00:09] <Daskreech> sparr: What's thou?
[00:11] <mobydick> !list
[00:12] <sparr> Daskreech: "Thoughts?", ran out of  characters :)
[00:13] <mobydick> mewg
[00:14] <Daskreech> sparr: attach a watch to thr Qt painter and see what it called inbetween it' being invoked and it actually being painted
[00:15] <Daskreech>  Soory very Developer way of looking at it
[00:19] <sparr> Daskreech: I am up for the developer approach, but I am completely unfamiliar with debugging GUI apps in gneral, or Qt in particular
[00:20] <sparr> Was 8.04 the last official kubuntu with kde 3.5?
[00:21] <sparr> What sort of problems should I expect if I get 8.04, then hold and/or pin KDE to 3.5, then upgrade to jaunty?
[00:21] <theuser1> i just downloaded a game and it was intrupted or may be corrupted while downloading. now i reinstalled it. but every time it doesnt downloads the files from internet. instead it used the downloaded files everytime i try to install it. how can i get rid of the files and a download the game again?
[00:22] <PhrkOnLsh> Does anyone know the hardware specs of the new EEE T91 and whether it would handle GNU/Linux and in particular Kubuntu?
[00:25] <[meta]> phk
[00:26] <[meta]> PhrkOnLsh: t91 should work fine with kubuntu
[00:26] <[meta]> what i can't predict is how the touch screen features will be supported
[00:26] <Daskreech> sparr: Why don't you just install KDE3 in jaunty ?
[00:27] <PhrkOnLsh> [meta]: touchscreen and all?
[00:27] <PhrkOnLsh> haha, typed too fast
[00:27] <[meta]> :)
[00:27] <PhrkOnLsh> Yes, quite, old chap.
[00:27] <Daskreech> The T91 is out ?
[00:27] <sparr> Daskreech: ive looked over the sorts of hoop-jumping required to have kde 3.5 live alongside kde 4.0 apps and i dont like it
[00:27] <PhrkOnLsh> dah wrong channel
[00:27] <PhrkOnLsh> Daskreech: yeah
[00:27] <Daskreech> sparr: Where did you find these instructions ?
[00:27] <[meta]> i saw ubuntu on a tablet at a friends place, but this was an old hp
[00:28] <Daskreech> !kde3 | sparr
[00:28] <[meta]> so i'm not sure if you will need and find specific drivers for the tablet functions
[00:28] <PhrkOnLsh> hmm
[00:28] <PhrkOnLsh> that's the main reason i want it ;) the 1000HE is what I was looking at before, and has bigger hdd, etc.
[00:28] <[meta]> but basically touchscreens should work with any ubuntu flavour
[00:29] <[meta]> i have the 1000 he here on my desk running jaunty
[00:29] <PhrkOnLsh> [meta]: very nice :)
[00:29] <PhrkOnLsh> [meta]: I really want one, but the T91 just seems so *cool*
[00:29] <[meta]> if you can spare the touch screen features then i can definitely recommend it
[00:29] <PhrkOnLsh> but only 16gb ssd->bleh
[00:29] <PhrkOnLsh> touchscreen is so sexxxyx though
[00:29] <[meta]> just upgrade from 1gb to 2gb ram and off you go
[00:30] <[meta]> i had an acer tablet 4 or 5 years ago
[00:30] <[meta]> i used the touchscreen 5 or 6 times in about one year of heavy use
[00:30] <[meta]> its sexy, but its definitely overrated in my opinion
[00:30] <PhrkOnLsh> [meta]: I'd use it a lot
[00:30] <[meta]> really?
[00:30] <PhrkOnLsh> it'd be a school computer and I could find a LTO of excuses to show off to classmates ;)
[00:30] <[meta]> what for?
[00:31] <PhrkOnLsh> it'd be my school computer **
[00:31] <[meta]> oh, i se ;)
[00:31] <PhrkOnLsh> [meta]: plus, I'd use it for drawing in gimp, etc.
[00:31] <PhrkOnLsh> which I do with mouse currently :(
[00:31] <[meta]> ok, thats of course a good reason
[00:31] <[meta]> by the way, 16gb solid state?
[00:32] <PhrkOnLsh> http://www.asus.com/News.aspx?N_ID=Qoky5bTcRplYluPj
[00:32] <PhrkOnLsh> all the way down
[00:32] <Daskreech> sparr: ping
[00:32] <[meta]> ok, i have not looked at the models asus is offering, but here it is only offered with traditional 2,5" drives
[00:33] <PhrkOnLsh> [meta]: if it is removable drive, I can replace ;)
[00:33] <[meta]> actually, you can replace it very easy
[00:33] <PhrkOnLsh> I have a 160gb 2.5" currently hooked up to this desktop via usb/ide adapter :3
[00:33] <PhrkOnLsh> hoshit... I'm sold then, once I know it'll work with touchscreen on kubuntu
[00:34] <[meta]> my girldfriends msi wind hsa to be disassembled completely to change the drive
[00:34] <[meta]> same goes for ram upgrade
[00:34] <PhrkOnLsh> I can do that, if needs be
[00:34] <PhrkOnLsh> as long as it's upgradable to standard IDE ssd
[00:34] <[meta]> which is actually possible, but quite a pain in the ass
[00:34] <PhrkOnLsh> hdd**
[00:35] <Daskreech> [meta], PhrkOnLsh: are any of you two on identica ?
[00:35] <PhrkOnLsh> I'll keep the winblows on the SSD JustInCase and put old laptop's hdd on it
[00:35] <PhrkOnLsh> Daskreech: twitter.
[00:35] <sparr> Daskreech: theres a wiki attached to the site distributing the kde3 remix
[00:35] <Daskreech> sparr: Yes
[00:36] <sparr> there's all sorts of path and library management required that i dont want to do
[00:36] <sparr> i dont want any trace of kde 4 on my system
[00:36] <[meta]> Daskreech: i don't know if i embarrass myself now, but what is identica ;)
[00:37] <Daskreech> sparr: Then get the KDE3 remix CD it installs flat out with KDE3
[00:37] <PhrkOnLsh> sparr: what's with the KDE4 hate?
[00:37] <PhrkOnLsh> omg so excited for T91
[00:37] <Daskreech> [meta]: opensource Twitter except cool
[00:37] <PhrkOnLsh> sorry... :]
[00:38] <Daskreech> PhrkOnLsh: sparr has had a fair number of interesting (and rare it seems) issues with KDE4 so until those get ironed out KDE3 is the choice
[00:38] <[meta]> Daskreech: cool description ;)
[00:39] <[meta]> but as from my question, no i'm not there
[00:41] <sparr> Daskreech: the remix CD doesn't do anything about having kde 4.  qt4, kde 4, and kde 4 apps will still install, and interfere with their kde3/qt3 counterparts
[00:41] <PhrkOnLsh> Daskreech: oic.
[00:41] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[00:41] <sparr> I am going to pin kde and qt at version 3.x so that those newer packages never install...  i hope.  im gonna pin kdebase4(?) at do not install, or hold it uninstalled
[00:41] <PhrkOnLsh> ohaithar ActionParsnip
[00:43] <Hx63> #ubuntu
[00:44] <PhrkOnLsh> http://forum.eeebuntu.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1275&p=4644
[00:44] <PhrkOnLsh> re T91 touchscreen
[00:44] <Daskreech> sparr: the KDE3 remix Cd installs KDE3
[00:44] <Daskreech> That's kinda the point of it
[00:45] <Riddell> sparr: that's not going to work, kde 3 and 4 libs install alongside fine
[00:45] <[meta]> PhrkOnLsh: ok, sounds like an "ok" for me
[00:46] <PhrkOnLsh> hmmm what about the 10" touchscreen one? the t101h or whatever? any news on that thing?
[00:46] <PhrkOnLsh> hell, I'll go ask someone else instead of OT'ing in here.
[00:46] <Daskreech> hi Riddell. sparr also has a very interesting issue with KDE4 you may want to take note of
[00:46] <Daskreech> I've encouraged him to file a bug on it
[00:47] <sparr> ill file a bug when i illustrate it
[00:47] <sparr> now that ive found two other people who can reproduce it
[00:48] <Daskreech> sparr: A video would probably help
[00:48] <sparr> it will be a 5-10 frame animated gif :)
[00:49] <Daskreech> Ha ha as long as it shows the time between you clicking and the final result
[00:49] <sparr> i'd make it a MNG but i know most wont see it
[00:49] <sparr> yeah, im gonna illustrate the GUI behavior alongside top's output
[00:49] <[meta]> PhrkOnLsh: where i come from, there are no news on cool devices ;)
[00:49] <Daskreech> I miss MNG :(
[00:50] <Daskreech> is APNG ever going to be a w3c standard?
[00:50] <[meta]> sparr: sounds crazy, but what about really taking a video with a camcorder or suchlike?
[00:50] <Daskreech> anyway that's offtopic
[00:50] <PhrkOnLsh> [meta]: oic :( poor you!
[00:50] <Daskreech> !info recordmydesktop
[00:50] <[meta]> i doubt if taking a video with recordmydesktop will work fine
[00:50] <Daskreech> !puregnome
[00:50] <sparr> [meta]: primary goal with a bug attachment...  getting people to look at it :)
[00:51] <sparr> i think an animated gif will get me the most control over the content, smallest filesize, and most views
[00:51] <Daskreech> !purekde
[00:51] <[meta]> sparr: ok, smallest filesize is definitely a reason to go for gif
[00:51] <Daskreech> sparr: Wrong idea of what a bug and bug attachement is but fine :)
[00:52] <sparr> Daskreech: come on, you've never stopped reading a bug because the attachments were hard to follow?
[00:52] <Daskreech> sparr: not if I was interested and could fix it
[00:52] <Daskreech> having lots of people who can't fix it read it doesn't help any
[00:53] <sparr> i dunno, right now id be happy with having lots of people who can't fix it but can reproduce it...
[00:54] <Daskreech> sparr: That's a good point but I think if they can reproduce it they will know instantly what you are talking about
[00:54] <sparr> you didn't :-p
[00:54] <Daskreech> sparr: I have on compositing. I get an alpha blended box
[00:55] <Daskreech> but point taken :)
[00:55] <Daskreech> I'm actually really concerend about why you can't turn on desktop effects
[00:55] <sparr> im sure i can
[00:55] <Daskreech> Your card is about 2 generations after mine and mine works fine
[00:55] <sparr> well, i wouldnt want to right now, using vesa, but ive had them on in the past using nvidia or nv
[00:55] <Daskreech> ok
[00:56] <sparr> i just dont LIKE them :)
[00:56] <Daskreech> Yeah I went with vesa for a while cause X kept killing the access to the  computer
[00:56] <Daskreech>  ?me hates X ~:-x
[00:56]  * Daskreech hates X ~:-x
[00:56] <Daskreech> sparr: you don't like them? Prithee tell why
[00:57] <sparr> they waste time
[00:57] <sparr> i don't want my GUI animated
[00:58] <sparr> when something is being displayed, i want it displayed now, not 0.25 seconds later when its done fading in
[00:58] <ActionParsnip> sparr: use LXDE or fluxbox then. Good times :)
[00:58] <Daskreech> fine
[00:58] <ActionParsnip> sparr: i'm the sam. anims are lame
[00:58] <sparr> ActionParsnip: or kde 3, which i was greatly happy with for many years
[00:58] <Daskreech> Yeah but kwin is such a capable Window manager :)
[00:58] <ActionParsnip> sparr: i got sick of plasma crashes and jumped ship
[00:59] <sparr> I am really really really hating plasma specifically, and kde4 in general
[00:59] <sparr> its been out for year(s?) now and there is still functionality missing that was in kde3
[00:59] <Daskreech> one year
[01:00] <Daskreech> KDe3 took 5 years to get to that level of Functionality
[01:00] <sparr> right.  so who made the decision to switch to kde4 now, instead of 2 years from now?  i'd like to be a loud annoying voice the next time a decision like that is about to be made
[01:00] <Daskreech> I'd say they aren't doing that badly considering there is a lot of stuff it can do that KDE3 can't
[01:01] <sparr> i have not encountered any of that stuff yet
[01:01] <Daskreech> sparr: The people who had to maintain and make the packages
[01:01] <sparr> there are still people maintaining kde 3 packages.  who picked the kde4 guys over those guys?
[01:02] <Daskreech> Maintaining two wasn't an option and sticking with KDE3 means having to do a lot of work outside of hte KDE community
[01:02] <sparr> anyway, i'll do my part as a good bug reporter and make the animation and file the bug report when i get home.
[01:02] <Daskreech> sparr: they  (actually he) stepped up after the move to KDE4 Seriously if you would like to help him let him know
[01:02] <sparr> but im not going to keep wasting time trying to get things working in kde4 that Just Work in kde3
[01:02] <sparr> by tomorrow i'll be back to kde3, or using gnome.
[01:02] <Daskreech> The Kubuntu Guys will support you as much as they can
[01:03] <Daskreech> sparr: and from the stats of how many people downloaded the Cds you would have a community of a good size
[01:04] <kde185> it would be nice if Canonical supported Kubuntu like they do Ubuntu
[01:04] <ActionParsnip> sparr: try enlightenment, or flwm :)
[01:05] <Daskreech> kde185: Very nice but I don't think that will ever happen
[01:05] <kde185> is Kubuntu planning on upgrading to KDE 4.2.4?  I'd prefer to not use some experimental PPA
[01:06] <Dragnslcr> I would have thought that 4.2.3/4.2.4 would make it to backports eventually, but I'm not sure at this point
[01:06] <Daskreech> kde185: Not in the way yo mean but it will be on the backports PPA not experimental
[01:06] <Daskreech> Experimental would be KDe 4.3
[01:06] <sparr> ActionParsnip: i don't particularly care which WM i use, it's the DE that I am discussing here
[01:07] <ActionParsnip> sparr: lxde is my suggestion then, its what i use
[01:11] <Daskreech> sparr: Would you like the name of the KDE3 maintainer ?
[01:11] <Daskreech> tsimpson: Serious?
[01:11] <Daskreech> he's been doing that all day
[01:12] <tsimpson> Daskreech: I wasn't here, if I was I'd have acted earlier
[01:13] <sparr> Daskreech: sadly, i don't have the time to put much effort into maintaining it :(
[01:14] <Daskreech> sparr: once it's setup it's easier than you think it's more having someone having the rights to push the buttons to get the servers to kick over etc
[01:14] <Daskreech> having that all be one person isn't fun
[01:15] <Daskreech> look at it as contribution for keeping KDE3 alive longer :-)
[01:15] <kurumin__> olá
[01:16] <kurumin__> boa noite a todos
[01:16] <Daskreech> !es
[01:16] <kurumin__> oi
[01:16] <ryanakca> !pt
[01:17] <ryanakca> Methinks
[01:17] <Daskreech> yeah ssorry :-(
[01:19] <sparr> well that's not very fair
[01:19] <Daskreech> sparr: Hmm ?
[01:31] <Daskreech> sparr: What's not fair?
[01:36] <KillGorack> hey!
[01:36] <KillGorack> WHo knows anything about the PSP plugin to rhythmbox?
[01:37] <Daskreech> The Gnome folks?
[01:38] <KillGorack> I'm gnome
[01:38] <jeiworth> KillGorack: then you might want to go to #ubuntu, this is Kubuntu, ubuntu with KDE ;)
[01:39] <KillGorack> I have k, x and ubuntu
[01:40] <jeiworth> KillGorack: that is fine, but rythmbox is a gnome app and i suspect most people here will be using only kde
[01:40] <KillGorack> I gotcha thanks!!
[01:40] <jeiworth> so they'll more likely be able to help you in #ubuntu
[01:47] <killgorack> I can't figure this IRS stuff out.. how on earth do I get to the ubuntu gnome channel?!
[01:47] <kaddi> type /join #ubuntu
[01:47] <xjjk> killgorack: /join #ubuntu
[01:47] <killgorack> I got it thanks!!
[01:48] <Daskreech> killgorack: It's IRC :) I can't figure out IRS stuff either :)
[01:52] <astrobear> hmm
[01:52] <astrobear> amarok and mplayer refuse to play .wma files
[01:52] <astrobear> help?
[01:53] <xjjk> astrobear: have you installed kubuntu-restricted-extras?
[01:53] <xjjk> Kubuntu doesn't include codecs for playing proprietary formats, you have to install them separately
[01:54] <astrobear> guess i could have done a 'apt-cache search wma'
[01:54] <astrobear> anyway
[01:54] <astrobear> "kubuntu-restricted-extras is already the newest version."
[01:54] <xjjk> astrobear: I'm not sure if that would bring anything up useful...
[01:54] <xjjk> astrobear: hrm
[01:54] <astrobear> i already have kubuntu-restricted-extras
[01:55] <astrobear> http://paste.ubuntu.com/187789/
[01:55] <astrobear> that's one thing that may be helpful?
[01:55] <murry> has anyone played the linux game -cultivation- ?
[01:56] <xjjk> astrobear: OK, so apparently Kubuntu can't play WMA files at all by itself
[01:56] <astrobear> sure, need the codecs
[01:56] <xjjk> astrobear: do you have the Medibuntu repositories?
[01:56] <astrobear> yeah
[01:56] <astrobear> ..i think... can't recall if i deleted them.. one sec..
[01:56] <xjjk> do you have w32codecs (or w64codecs if on 64-bit) installed
[01:56] <quickbreeze> hey whats going on
[01:56] <astrobear> nope, don't have them
[01:56] <astrobear> alright
[01:56] <xjjk> get those
[01:57] <xjjk> and restart Amarok
[01:57] <xjjk> hopefully it'll work after that
[02:00] <astrobear> wow, good going xjjk
[02:00] <astrobear> thanks for the help
[02:01] <astrobear> works fine
[02:02] <Daskreech> murry: cultivation?
[02:03] <Daskreech> !wma | astrobear
[02:03] <murry> yeah
[02:03] <Daskreech> Dang it  :)
[02:03] <murry> its a free app with kubuntu
[02:04] <Daskreech> !info cultivation
[02:04] <murry> i thought i did what i was supposed to to level up, but it just keeps going
[02:04] <murry> cool
[02:04] <Daskreech> ah ahahahahahaha
[02:04] <Daskreech> DO want
[02:04] <astrobear> don't tell me to use free formats, tell the artists which i listen to :)
[02:04] <astrobear> er, pirate
[02:04] <murry> i was just wonderign if it was me or the game
[02:04] <astrobear> arrr!
[02:05] <Daskreech> murry: Couldn't tell you but as soon as I get a hard drive I'm installing this
[02:05] <murry> game or os?
[02:05] <murry> cause the games nothing that should be a priority
[02:06] <Daskreech> Nope games first OS later!!!
[02:06] <murry> hahaha
[02:06] <Daskreech> It's how Microsoft works!
[02:12] <juan> espanich
[02:12] <juan> hola
[02:13] <juan> hola
[02:13] <BluesKaj> !es
[02:13] <juan> hi
[02:14] <LuisJa> srry but in open office writer whats the option to print something using less ink?
[02:14] <BluesKaj> draft black cart only
[02:14] <LuisJa> ?
[02:18] <BluesKaj> LuisJa, in print options
[02:19] <LuisJa> oh holda
[02:19] <LuisJa> in word there is one option than makes the print to look like aqua or something, so u can save ink
[02:20] <LuisJa> there is not a similar option, or only print in black?
[02:23] <ken> need some help. I can't get kmix to run and i lost my volume control off the task bar and don't know where or how to get it back. Kmix will try to start but then no window opens. have reinstalled it.
[02:31] <shadowhywind> Hay all, having a random problem. I am using rsync to do some backups, and using ssh-add to load in my ssh key/file. If I run the command in a konsole it works. However when i run it in crontab it fails. auth.log stats sshd[15482]: Failed password for shadowhywind from <ip>
[02:33] <xjjk> is KDE 4.2.4 going to end up in jaunty-backports? why is it remaining in it's own PPA
[02:34] <ncfi1013_> can i use avidemux to convert .mkv files to .avi files and how do i do it?
[02:41] <spike_s> would it be fair to ask questions in this channel if I'm using Kubuntu 9.04 and having problems hearing sound in Amarok
[02:41] <spike_s> ??
[02:42] <spike_s> note I hear sound in Kopete, KDE system events, and Konqurer's flash plugin
[02:42] <shadowhywind> spike_s: nod
[02:42] <spike_s> and Amarok does say it's playing a stream and the ticker ticks away
[02:43] <spike_s> hmm I think I fixed it
[02:43] <spike_s> it said it needed to install updates for Amarok for playing various kinds of content
[02:44] <spike_s> I did that.. it wasn't Obvious it needed that I had to hover over the system tray/notification area icon that was reporting it
[02:44] <spike_s> then I restarted the OS and all seems well with streams
[02:44] <spike_s> now to see if I can play unencrypted m4a files from iTunes 8.2 on my NTFS partition.
[02:45] <hx> ANy improvements to avoid intel bad distortion in 9.04?
[02:45] <spike_s> shadowhywind: thanks for nodding tho, it seems you have a magick thumb or something.
[02:46] <shadowhywind> spike_s:  hehe glad I could help
[02:46] <zach> yes!
[02:46] <spike_s> hx: define bad distortion.. I'm using 9.04 presently on an Intel Celeron 700Mhz w/256MB of RAM on an 80GB PATA 7200RPM hard drive and built in Intel Sound chipset, PCI VGA ATI video card..
[02:47] <hx> spike_s :  bad distortion, with my intel graphics :)
[02:48] <hx> its like a bad refresh? or invalidate?
[02:48] <spike_s> ahh ok hx, haven't tried with the built in video, not sure if I should.. this was a donation-ware PC.. it dual boots with XPSP3 now, I'm too guru to bother booting it unless I want to use Eudora on my email.. but Kontact keeps growing on me.
[02:48] <spike_s> this board is an HP OEM-ed and has internal Intel graphics but I think it's disabled by the BIOS.
[02:48] <hx> it is, because you are with ati
[02:48] <hx> :
[02:48] <hx> card.
[02:49] <spike_s> I could switch it I guess.. but.. why bother..?
[02:49] <hx> no dont worry.
[02:49] <hx> this is a laptop. :)
[02:49] <spike_s> I know that the RAM is shared with the graphics card for most all Intel graphics chipsets
[02:49] <hx> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
[02:50] <spike_s> not sure if that is done at the BIOS, I would imagine so..
[02:50] <spike_s> it definitely slows the system down when that happens.
[02:50] <spike_s> hx: does it only *not* work when you are running X11?
[02:51] <ncfi1013_> can i use avidemux to convert .mkv files to .avi files and how do i do it?
[02:51] <hx> i will do some screenshot wait.
[02:53] <Teknowolf> Anyone know how to sign in to Vistar7 once it is installed?
[02:53] <hx> spike
[02:54] <hx> soike_s here?
[02:54] <hx> spike_s here?
[02:54] <spike_s> I'm here
[02:54] <hx> http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/7642/snapshot1y.png   <- bad distortion caused probably by bad driver intel in 9.04.
[02:54] <spike_s> not sure if I know how to dcc or look at a screenshot
[02:54] <spike_s> ahh ok
[02:54] <spike_s> let me link that
[02:54] <hx> happen with desktop effect on or off.
[02:55]  * spike_s waits on Gwenview to get it
[02:56] <hx> #ubuntu
[02:56] <spike_s> that's definitely a symptom of not enough video RAM or of the XServer not being able to render properly
[02:56] <spike_s> I'm thinking the former really
[02:57] <spike_s> is that a nice GTR pic you have for a background?
[02:58] <hx> 2008 SUBARU WRX STI
[02:58] <spike_s> oh my
[02:58] <spike_s> where can I get that picture?
[02:58] <hx> ill upload it wait.
[02:58] <spike_s> that would look sexy on my new 20" display
[02:58] <spike_s> in full rez
[02:59] <spike_s> your making me drool
[02:59] <spike_s> if only I had a bf that could do that
[02:59] <spike_s> lol
[03:00] <hx> in ubuntu channel they told me this is a known problem. Ubuntu 9.04 has a known regression for some Intel graphics support. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/IntelPerformance and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1130582 for more information.
[03:00] <hx> so im goin for that links ^^
[03:02] <spike_s> hx: ok that sounds strange for a driver, but not impossible. I know that the driver is impacted by a lot of things now days.
[03:02] <spike_s> because it's only now days that Linux has become so graphically intense
[03:02]  * spike_s has been using Linux a very long time so rarely thinks about that happening.
[03:02] <manish_> hello, I installed Kubuntu today .. But Amarok configurations seems not working
[03:03] <hx> yes but its not a problem of lack of memory, though it is vista approved brand new lap.
[03:03] <spike_s> manish_: yeah I had that problem.. says it's playing a stream for you but you hear nothing right? and other sound effects are working fine in Kopete and system events right?
[03:03] <spike_s> the fix is to have Amarok check for updates, install them, and then reboot.
[03:03] <manish_> correct no sound
[03:04] <spike_s> it'll find plugins for mp3 and other things and install them.
[03:04] <manish_> Yeah I was playing the mp3
[03:04] <manish_> thanks spike_s
[03:05] <spike_s> hx: sounds to me like they need to go and revision the way the linux graphics I/O system connects to the drivers so that the right calls are being done.. it might be a timing issue.
[03:05] <spike_s> manish_: it may fail to do the updates
[03:05] <hx> spike_s: http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/5910/wrxsti08091600.jpg
[03:05] <hx> :)
[03:05] <spike_s> manish_: if it does say it did them and then not work.. shut down Amarok, reboot, run kPackageWin
[03:06] <spike_s> do all the Kubuntu hotfixes and the security patch
[03:06] <spike_s> then reboot and run Amarok again
[03:06] <rmrfslash> So what's the deal with blocked updates? what do I do about these?
[03:06] <spike_s> it should then pop up in the notification area in the lower right corner with two updater icons one for Amarok, do those updates (they'll be the same ones again) and then reboot and voila it works.
[03:08] <manish_> spike_s: where is the menu for check for updates in Amarok?
[03:14] <spike_s> manish_: hmm I'm thinking there's not one
[03:14] <spike_s> how did I trigger it to do this..
[03:15] <spike_s> I think.. iirc I had to try and play a format of a file it didn't know what to do with, like m4a from iTunes
[03:15] <spike_s> and that triggered it to go look for plugins and say it needed these updates
[03:15] <spike_s> kinda like WIndows Media Player does
[03:15] <spike_s> on a good day
[03:15] <spike_s> thank you hx that looks amazingly beautiful, I've only recently fallen in love with superminis
[03:17] <spike_s> I'm beginning to like Quassel as much as I liked Colloquy on my Mac and X-Chat in WIndows
[03:20] <RProgrammer> I think my system is not using my graphics card at all.
[03:20] <RProgrammer> Is there some way I can tell?
[03:25] <spike_s> RProgrammer: do you have more than one graphics card?
[03:27] <RProgrammer> spike_s: I have one Intel GME945 (MacBook), but a dual-core CPU
[03:29] <RProgrammer> I was ready to compile xf86-video-intel from intellinuxgraphics.com, but I noticed that the debian package xserver-xorg-video-intel is already installed
[03:29] <Pici> !intel | RProgrammer please take a look
[03:30] <RProgrammer> Aw crap
[03:30] <RProgrammer> First mouseemu, now this
[03:30] <Pici> Sorry to be the bearer of bad news
[03:37] <hx> im so happy i fixed the damn distortion with my intel graphics :)
[03:40] <RProgrammer> testing UXA
[03:44] <CaelTW_> im trying to decide on  what  vers of kubuntu to use on my old Compaq   R3000 , kubuntu   9.04 or 8.04, what would be best forthis old laptop?
[03:45] <hx> if it is very very old, recommend you kde 3, that would be 8.04. But maybe Xubuntu is more suitable for you. You decide.
[03:46] <CaelTW_> 2.6ghz (singlecore) 512mb ram Ati radeon 9000
[03:48] <CaelTW_> u think xubuntu then w/ those specs would be wise?
[03:50] <genii> CaelTW_: It's more than adequate
[03:52] <genii> CaelTW_: If you had cpu speed less than 1Ghz and less than 256mb ram, you might want to go with a lighter wieght desktop, but you should actually be fine with any of the *buntu
[03:53] <CaelTW_> thanks :3 hopin to breathe new life into this laptop
[03:59] <CaelTW_> though seems i cant "tap and hold" with its  mouse
[04:04] <binskipy2u> hey guys.. i see on kde.com, there's a repo addition to get 4.2.4 , after installing 4.2.2. if you've added the repo, and did a full update
[04:04] <RProgrammer> Ok, adding the AccelMethod uxa option causes kubuntu to hang at the screen after the boot bar, but before the login screen,   when there's nothing else on the screen except the two orbiting circles
[04:04] <binskipy2u> did anyone have any issues?
[04:04] <RProgrammer> But, if I add it and log out, log in, then my performance jumps through the roof (relatively)
[04:05] <binskipy2u> if i were to do any tweaks.. to kubuntu.. should i do the full update first to 4.2.4
[04:06] <binskipy2u> or do the tweaks first , then full update with the new deb repo added?
[04:07] <binskipy2u> anyone?
[04:07] <binskipy2u> is there a preferred order to tweak then update, or full update then tweak away?
[04:10] <hx> uhm
[04:10] <hx> hey cant understand you
[04:10] <hx> can you explain again?
[04:10] <hx> what are you trying to do?
[04:11] <hx> so maybe i can help u.
[04:11] <hx> binskipy2u , ..
[04:11]  * genii sips his coffee
[04:12] <binskipy2u> i found alot of 'buntu tweaks
[04:12] <binskipy2u> should i do a full update from 4.2.2. to 4.2.4 first then tweak
[04:12] <binskipy2u> or tweak at first, then do the full update
[04:16] <RProgrammer> If you log out, is the X server restarted?
[04:17] <genii> RProgrammer: No
[04:17] <genii> RProgrammer: Because the login screen also uses it
[04:17] <RProgrammer> Hm
[04:18] <RProgrammer> Let me try something
[04:18] <spike_s> hx Xubuntu is not suitable on any MacBook model, it's way too simplified, he would want kde.
[04:18] <spike_s> any MacBook is core2duo so will not matter what the CPU speed is.
[04:19] <spike_s> and yes any *buntu works well.. I have 256MB of RAM and 8MB of Video RAM and Kubuntu smokes on this!
[04:19] <spike_s> it'll even do the effects for some reason.. imagine that.
[04:20] <hx> spike_s well didnt saw macbook stuff.
[04:20] <RProgrammer> This is krazy!
[04:20] <hx> he only said very old pc.
[04:21] <hx> if it is very old is not core 2 duo
[04:21] <hx> my friend
[04:21] <RProgrammer> I thought it was using uxa that did it, but..
[04:21] <RProgrammer> If I log out, then log back in, my performance shoots through the roof!
[04:22] <RProgrammer> glxgears goes from barely 200 fps to 5200
[04:22] <spike_s> poor little Celeron 700MHz never knew what hit it I guess.
[04:22] <hx> binskipy2u If they are tweaks for 4.2.4 then update then tweak
[04:22] <hx> if not , tweak then update
[04:22] <RProgrammer> The framerate meter in KWin used to drop to 20 when I opened a new Konsole window and down to 9 for Firefox, now it never goes below 50
[04:23] <spike_s> hx I realize and understand that, however he later said he was doing it to a dual core MacBook
[04:23] <RProgrammer> What could possibly be causing this?
[04:23] <spike_s> the only 32bit one of those was the first MacBook Pro.. no actual MacBooks were ever CoreDuo afaik only Core2Duo so they're all 64bit 1.8Ghz or faster.
[04:23] <spike_s> with 1GB of RAM min.
[04:23] <spike_s> those are now considered old models in the Mac world
[04:24] <spike_s> like 2 years old now.
[04:24] <RProgrammer> I can check mine
[04:24] <RProgrammer> How to you tell if it's a 32 bit or 64 bit cpu?
[04:25] <hx> CaelTW_, yes xubuntu will fly there... But it is 512MB, so you should stick kubuntu latest ... or 8.04. No prob with that.
[04:25] <hx> spike_s cant see where he said macbook.
[04:25] <spike_s> RProgrammer: for a Mac or a PC?
[04:25] <CaelTW_> installin 9.04 atm
[04:25] <hx> im talking about CaelTW.
[04:25] <RProgrammer> MacBook
[04:25] <hx> I said xubuntu for CaelTW
[04:26] <genii> RProgrammer: do lshw -C cpu|grep width
[04:26] <hx> user.
[04:26] <spike_s> RProgrammer: if it's a CoreDuo or CoreSolo it's 32bit if it's a Core2Duo or CoreQuad it's 64bit
[04:26] <genii> RProgrammer: sudo lshw -C cpu|grep width                   , even :)
[04:26] <spike_s> if it's a G5 it's 64bit
[04:26] <hx> spike_s said xubuntu to CaelTW.
[04:26] <spike_s> if it's a G4 it's 32bit
[04:26] <spike_s> if it's a G4 or newer it Will have Vector processing including all intel models
[04:27] <spike_s> hx oh ok I got you ok.
[04:27] <spike_s> too many people having the same issue sorry
[04:28] <RProgrammer> Ok, Mine's 32 bit Intel dual core MacBook with 1 GB of RAM
[04:28] <spike_s> RProgrammer: safely when it comes to Intel Macs you just draw the assumption that if you see CoreSolo or CoreDuo it's 32bit and everything else is 64bit currently
[04:28] <spike_s> 128bit CPUs from Intel in Macs will be happening in a couple of years so it's no big deal.
[04:28] <RProgrammer> I only have linux on here, I don't see CoreDuo anywhere
[04:29] <RProgrammer> I just got this from a friend
[04:29] <spike_s> RProgrammer: congrats then you have a rare system these days, an almost an antique.
[04:29] <spike_s> but a good one.
[04:29] <RProgrammer> As long as everything works well
[04:30] <spike_s> RProgrammer: oh I thought because it's a Mac you would be running Mac OS X.. sorry.. there's just no reason to run Linux unless you are programming for Linux when it comes to Mac hardware.
[04:30] <spike_s> esp now that KDE runs natively in Mac OS X
[04:30] <CaelTW_> is there any way to disable the warnings i get about the laptop's battery? i know its down to 3% capacity (old worn battery) but the messages are gettin annoying allready
[04:30] <RProgrammer> 'didn't expect to hear that from a linux channel
[04:31] <coz_> hey guys   xchat in kubuntu has these sound effects that are real anoying yet I cant stop them via xchat  and suggestions?
[04:31] <spike_s> if it's that annoying take the battery out and just not have a battery in it?
[04:31] <coz_> spike_s,  i wish lol
[04:32] <spike_s> RProgrammer: well.. I'm not a channel regular here.. and I'm a Mac user primarily who is using Linux atm on a donationware PC and use a Mac at work.
[04:32] <RProgrammer> Well, here are my reasons.
[04:32] <RProgrammer> 1. Mac OS X (just Tiger) takes up 18 GB (20 with Dev tools), Kubuntu takes up 5 (in my current set up)
[04:32] <RProgrammer> 2. All my apps are written for linux, and only work kludgily on Mac
[04:32] <CaelTW_> the ac jack on he laptop is worn and the power adapter come sout a lil too easy. though the battery is worn it sgot enough power to let me safely shutdown
[04:32] <spike_s> I do have a dead iMac G3 600MHz that got hit by lightning sitting on the floor in pieces next to me though.
[04:32] <coz_> spike_s,   ah mac  I have a few here but stopped using them quuite a while ago
[04:32] <eyecreate> hey guys, I've been trying to figure out why vlc does not play midi files, and saw that vlc had some source files related to fluidsynth, so I got the source package and compiled it. In doing so, I found out that the fluidsynth plugin is left out of the buld in the repos. I installed my rebuilt vlc, but it still says it can't play midi even with the plugin there. Anyone have a clue what I can do?
[04:32] <spike_s> once upon a time I used to use LinuxPPC
[04:33] <brian_> i have a prob with my command window
[04:33] <brian_> i tried running
[04:33] <brian_> brian@brian:~$ sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:33] <brian_> and got
[04:33] <brian_> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[04:33] <coz_> eyecreate,  did you install the necessary codecs and libraries for midi?
[04:33] <brian_> any idea as to what's going on?
[04:33] <spike_s> RProgrammer: try putting a new hard drive in it? Mac apps take up a lot of space for a reason.. it's BSD it's not monolithic and it's not elf and it never will be. :)
[04:33] <eyecreate> @brain_ it means something else still is using the package archive
[04:34] <eyecreate> @brain_ i forget the command, but you can see what progams are using a file and then kill it.
[04:34] <brian_> yeah, i dunno what to do about it; an hour ago i tried installing a package and was taken to a screen from inside my command window, and i think that's the problem. i don't know how to exit that screen
[04:35] <coz_> eyecreate,   look here   http://feistyguide.blogspot.com/2007/05/how-to-install-midi-sound-server.html
[04:36] <RProgrammer> 3. If I want better performance (eg, when running 80 tabs in Firefox across 5 windows, Eclipse, 8 terminal windows, a partition manager, all while using my laptop as an ethernet bridge, dd'ing a usb drive to an iPod, and downloading an iso image), I'm fairly sure linux can give it to me; and if not, then I can just switch the session to Xfce and have un-aliased fonts with no eye candy at all.
[04:36] <spike_s> you can run Intel Linux all day and night on a Mac RProgrammer .. if you want, but it's a shame to waste such nice hardware on something that barely utilizes it.
[04:36] <coz_> spike_s,   well mac is fine I suppose  but feel much more confortable with linux  as a whole   windows second mac usually no more especially since compiz
[04:36] <spike_s> Firefox? oh my, how sad.
[04:36] <RProgrammer> How so?
[04:36] <spike_s> 80 tabs.. that's just.. evil
[04:36] <coz_> spike_s,   domt mean to burst a bubble but there is no such thing as mac hardware any longer it is all pc hardware now
[04:36] <hx> spike_s , surely a mac fan LOL
[04:36] <RProgrammer> Hey, I've got a lot to do
[04:37] <RProgrammer> I'm not just making that up btw, that's what I was doing to get Linux on this laptop
[04:37] <RProgrammer> You see, the CD drive's broken
[04:37] <spike_s> I put it to you this way.. the only nice way to run Linux on a Mac is in VMWare Fusion with 4GB of RAM .. but..
[04:37] <RProgrammer> I only have 1 GB
[04:37] <spike_s> you do not have the hardware to do that on a MacBook 32bit 1GB of RAM model.
[04:38] <spike_s> and you sound more of a Linux SysAdmin type of person
[04:38] <RProgrammer> I am
[04:38] <spike_s> you really are running FireFox on the verge of it's limits I'd say
[04:38] <genii> !ot
[04:38] <spike_s> if I needed that many tabs I'd gladly stick with Safari 4 or Konqurer
[04:38] <eyecreate> @coz_ are all those modules in the blog post you linked me needed? I just want to make sure these modules are related to my problem.
[04:38] <RProgrammer> I thought so too, but it runs much better on linux
[04:38] <genii> All the mac debate is wandering off the subject of Kubuntu support
[04:39] <coz_> eyecreate,  not sure if all are needed  never really checked but midi will play after that for sure it does play fine here  even with mouse over preview
[04:39] <RProgrammer> genii: How about "Reasons to use Kubuntu"
[04:39] <hx> offtopic too
[04:39] <RProgrammer> For the Mac-using hopeful
[04:39] <genii> RProgrammer: Even that's dubious
[04:39] <hx> thatd why kubuntu-offtopic exist.
[04:39] <RProgrammer> lol, ok
[04:39] <spike_s> note I can do all that in Mac OS X (that you mentioned) but not on that old of a Macbook without some pain.. mostly because I'd need More RAM but then I'm known for doing Terabytes of disk management operations while doing 20-40 tabs of surfing and other stuff all on a PPC Mac OS X 10.4 install.. 2GB of RAM and it doesn't hiccup.
[04:39] <spike_s> soo.. to each his own.
[04:40] <spike_s> I prefer not to have to "administrate" just use and keep moving.
[04:40]  * genii sips his coffee 
[04:40] <eyecreate> @coz_ well...if I call timidity from the command line..it plays fine...it's only vlc that won't play it. I just wanted vlc to be the "play all" media player it should be.
[04:40] <CaelTW_> ok guys 9.04 just finished installin (about time) and going to restart thanks everyone for the help on which vers to use
[04:40] <spike_s> I really don't care for compiz, it's just eye candy
[04:40] <coz_> eyecreate,   ah I see  I dont use vlc on linux  so i have no way of  knowing about that
[04:40] <CaelTW_> tc  ^^
[04:41] <RProgrammer> I like eye candy, but not at the expense of productivity
[04:41] <hx> CaelTW, good luck. Great choice.
[04:42] <eyecreate> @coz_ I guess that's what I was looking for. I wanted to see if someone knew why vlc, having the code to play midi files, had the module removed in the repos and why my version with the plugin for midi still says it can't play.
[04:42] <RProgrammer> How about this, to redeem myself, if anyone is looking to install Kubuntu on their MacBooks without a working CD drive, tell them to email me (root@rprogrammer.net)
[04:42] <coz_> eyecreate,   try  #vlc
[04:43] <eyecreate> @coz_ I'd be okay if you knew if/how dragon player is able to play midi also..or to anyone else who might know
[04:43] <eyecreate> @coz_ okay..i'll try there..is it on this server?
[04:43] <spike_s> RProgrammer: would you netboot to do that?
[04:44] <spike_s> there are other ways.. like external hard drive with a DD image of the iso on it..
[04:44] <spike_s> :)
[04:44] <genii> spike_s: yaboot, etc
[04:44] <RProgrammer> I tried both of those
[04:44] <RProgrammer> Didn't work
[04:44] <brian_> i ran "brian@brian:~$ ps ax | grep dpkg" and found an offending process; how do i go back to the process from within the terminal?
[04:44] <spike_s> let me guess efi got in the way
[04:45] <spike_s> brian_: go back, or kill?
[04:45] <brian_> go back
[04:45] <brian_> i think i figured out how to kill it
[04:45] <spike_s> brian_: did you use screen or something?
[04:45] <RProgrammer> The trick it turns out is to make a Kubuntu USB stick installer, then dd it's whole hard drive (including partition table) onto a firewire hard drive (eg, iPod ;)
[04:45] <spike_s> kililng is easy
[04:45] <spike_s> kill -hup pid
[04:45] <spike_s> replace pid with your pid number
[04:45] <genii> brian_: If it opened offscreen you may have difficulty trying to get it open
[04:45] <brian_> it opened within the terminal
[04:46] <RProgrammer> brian_: And if that doesn't work kill -9 <pid> is more forceful
[04:46] <brian_> and i can't figure out how to get back to it
[04:46] <brian_> when i ran the "brian@brian:~$ ps ax | grep dpkg" command, i had a number 3788 appear to the left ot the offending process
[04:46] <spike_s> brian if it supports it in your terminal shell app try using alt-F1, F2, etc. to see if it's screen-ed
[04:47] <spike_s> however that command is usually only for fullscreen apps not in a terminal in a GUI
[04:47] <spike_s> like X11 is
[04:47] <RProgrammer> brian_: That number is it's PID
[04:47] <RProgrammer> What do you mean by "offending"?
[04:47] <spike_s> so you issue the following command at the $ or # prompt
[04:47] <spike_s> kill -hup 3788
[04:47] <spike_s> or you can do
[04:47] <brian_> i tried that
[04:48] <brian_> and i got
[04:48] <spike_s> kill -9 3799
[04:48] <brian_> bash: kill: (3788) - Operation not permitted
[04:48] <RProgrammer> sudo kill 3788
[04:48] <spike_s> brian_: that means maybe you are not logged in as root or as an admin??
[04:48] <brian_> ah great, i got it
[04:48] <brian_> thanks all
[04:48] <spike_s> np
[04:48] <RProgrammer> np
[04:48] <spike_s> how did you get it?
[04:48] <spike_s> sudo?
[04:48] <spike_s> or su?
[04:49] <RProgrammer> Hey, no one else I've seen says 'np'
[04:49] <brian_> i used sudo kill 3788
[04:49] <spike_s> I C-OP on undernet
[04:49] <spike_s> brian_: very good
[04:50] <spike_s> that tells me you are learning
[04:50] <spike_s> good for you
[04:50] <spike_s> bash is not a river in egypt
[04:50] <RProgrammer> What?
[04:51] <eyecreate> @coz_ I got it! I found my problem, it seems there's a small little setting in vlc that is required for it to work. It needs to know where your soundfonts are.
[04:52] <RProgrammer> brian_: sudo, or Super User DO allows you to temporarily execute a single command as the root user (aka super user).  When the command completes, it falls back to where you were before invoking it.
[04:52] <coz_> eyecreate,   ah very cool :)
[04:53] <RProgrammer> brian_: If you need to do a few commands, you might try sudo bash, which will give you an entire shell as the root user.
[04:53] <brian_> ah ok, thanks for the tip!
[04:53] <RProgrammer> Then when you 'exit', it will fall back to your original shell
[04:53] <RProgrammer> shells are just programs like any other, and can be run as such
[04:54] <RProgrammer> ..very very interactive programs
[04:57] <RProgrammer> Ooooh..  I just read the man page on lshw and saw that it has a GUI, 'lshw-gtk'....where have you been all my life
[04:58] <RProgrammer> I've been out of linux-world too long
[04:58] <RProgrammer> Aw man!  My computer has the 4 GB memory limit
[04:59] <spike_s> now that you have stated all that I will repeat my witticism .. bash .. is not a river in egypt
[04:59]  * spike_s grins smugly
[04:59]  * spike_s chortles with glee now you get it?
[05:00] <RProgrammer> ...
[05:00] <RProgrammer> give me a minute
[05:00] <RProgrammer> It's on the tip of my brain
[05:00] <spike_s> RProgrammer: yeah.. 32bit is like that.. maybe you'll get another Mac someday that isn't limited that way :)
[05:00] <spike_s> sometimes life is funny that way.
[05:01] <spike_s> RProgrammer: denial is not a river in egypt.. bash.. being a shell.. a very very interactive program.. is kind of like denial.. it's not the nile, it's not peaceful.. usually..
[05:01] <spike_s> there is no spoon
[05:02] <RProgrammer> Ok I give up
[05:02] <RProgrammer> How is bash like denial?
[05:02] <spike_s> one is in denial whilst using bash or any other *nix shell because they limit themselves from experiencing the peace of the river flowing like water (bruce lee)
[05:03] <erm__> i'm lost
[05:03] <RProgrammer> What non-*nix shell has the peace of the river flowing like water?
[05:03] <RProgrammer> Macs use bash too
[05:03] <erm__> bash
[05:03] <spike_s> one achieves harmony by running amarok and having groove salad play in the background while experiencing bash in a graphical shell like Konsole on the sidelines of their peripheal vision while being focused on an irc chat that relaxes the soul.
[05:04] <erm__> you know, i never understood IRC
[05:04] <spike_s> and yet chatting in irc you find yoruself, eh erm__??
[05:04] <RProgrammer> I didn't say it wasn't in a GUI terminal
[05:04] <erm__> everytime I join a channel.  . .i leave
[05:05] <spike_s> erm__: that's called a departure IRL
[05:05] <erm__> IRL?
[05:05] <spike_s> the ethernet is still a river of packets flowing always waiting for you to return to your console and participate in IRC at any time your soul guides you back to that place.
[05:05] <spike_s> IRL = in or into real life
[05:05] <erm__> it would be a departure, since it's like an airport, and i'm in a terminal
[05:05] <RProgrammer> Are you high?
[05:06] <RProgrammer> @spike_s
[05:06] <spike_s> no I'm not high, I'm just being minimalistic and zen like with a little jedi/matrix twist
[05:06] <spike_s> good music does get one high though
[05:06] <erm__> what are you listening to?
[05:07] <spike_s> Groove Salad on SomaFM via Amarok on nice cheap Altec Lansing $32 speakers I got at Altex the other day
[05:07] <erm__> I want new headphones
[05:08] <erm__> sudo apt get amarok?
[05:08] <erm__> :D
[05:08] <RProgrammer> sudo apt-get install amarok
[05:08] <erm__> right right
[05:08] <spike_s> though ethernet packets are like a river.. the internet is a intertagled web of connections that multiple rivers find flowing towards the ocean of experiences that becomes our virtual online reality or identity of self when it comes to social chattage and networking.
[05:08] <genii> !ot spike_s
[05:08] <RProgrammer> It didn't come with your Kubuntu?
[05:08] <genii> !ot | spike_s
[05:08] <spike_s> irc greatly simplifies the chat experience by providing a singular interface that is un-complicated.
[05:09] <spike_s> erm__: try the Sennheiser HD280 ones, they're very.. nice.
[05:09] <spike_s> they also have replaceable parts
[05:09] <erm__> mic's?
[05:10] <erm__> surround sound?
[05:10] <erm__> i'm looking for 4.1 audio
[05:10] <erm__> * 5.1
[05:10] <RProgrammer> Aw crap, I just killed my desktop
[05:10] <RProgrammer> I didn't know xkill would do that!
[05:11] <spike_s> erm__: for headphones they offer a very nice aural experience, they do make them with a mic boom for the DJ in us all..
[05:11] <spike_s> as well as mono and handheld versions of the same headphones, for the same DJ reasons.
[05:11] <erm__> @ spike_s not for DJ'ing . . .lol
[05:11] <erm__> ;alkjd;aflkjsd;lkfjaskldfj
[05:12] <genii> erm__: Stop the spam please
[05:12] <erm__> OOOooo
[05:12] <erm__> that wasn't spam
[05:12] <erm__> 'twas frustration in text
[05:13] <genii> erm__: OK... once is forgiven ... :)
[05:13] <RProgrammer> I could reboot, but as a case study, what command brings back the KDE environment if you kill it by mistake?
[05:13] <spike_s> startkde
[05:13] <RProgrammer> or is it 'plasma' I killed...
[05:14] <spike_s> what exactly is plasma?
[05:14] <spike_s> a wm?
[05:14] <RProgrammer> I really don't know
[05:14] <RProgrammer> It has something to do with the dashboard, but isn't the taskbar part of that?
[05:15] <RProgrammer> btw, xmessage: "KDE seems to be already running on this display."
[05:15] <erm__> ctrl alt backspace?
[05:15] <RProgrammer> That's disabled
[05:15] <RProgrammer> (although I remapped all the keys anyway)
[05:16] <spike_s> hmm sounds like plasma is the widget-layer-thingy
[05:16] <genii> spike_s: Yes
[05:16] <spike_s> dunno if the new dashboard is part of that or not
[05:16] <spike_s> dashboard is the bar at the bottom right?\
[05:16] <spike_s> KDE used to have different tools than what it has now so I'm unfamiliar with how it all works
[05:16] <spike_s> like dolphin is an new thing to me
[05:16] <spike_s> and Konqurer wasn't even 1.0 last time I used it.
[05:17] <spike_s> then I forked my brain to Safari and WebCore/WebKit and now am only coming back to using Konqurer
[05:17] <RProgrammer> Wow
[05:17] <RProgrammer> That was incredibly easy
[05:17] <erm__> what ?
[05:17] <erm__> startx?
[05:18] <RProgrammer> I just flipped to the tty1 terminal (Ctrl-Alt-F1) and ran
[05:18] <RProgrammer> export DISPLAY=:0
[05:18] <RProgrammer> plasma
[05:18] <spike_s> lol
[05:18] <RProgrammer> That's good to know
[05:18] <spike_s> you may want to logout completely and log back in to be safe, the next time interval opportunity you get.
[05:18] <spike_s> just in case other things go wonky
[05:18] <RProgrammer> Everything around the windows is owned by plasma
[05:19] <RProgrammer> And Don't click on the background to cancel xkill!
[05:19] <erm__> kubuntu?
[05:19] <spike_s> around the windows.. like the window frame?
[05:19] <RProgrammer> No
[05:19] <RProgrammer> Like the task bar
[05:19] <spike_s> oh ok
[05:19] <spike_s> I got you
[05:19] <spike_s> it's not the WM then, it's the DE
[05:19] <RProgrammer> And the wallpaper, and desktop icons, and the little mutated foot in the corner of the screen
[05:19] <spike_s> Plasma is the KDE "DE" featureset
[05:19] <erm__> de?
[05:20] <RProgrammer> Desktop Environment?
[05:20] <spike_s> I don't have a mutated foot I have Kickoff
[05:20] <erm__> right-o
[05:20] <RProgrammer> Ooooh
[05:20] <spike_s> hai RProgrammer
[05:20] <erm__> kickoff?
[05:20] <erm__> this is great new lingo
[05:20] <spike_s> erm__: kickoff is the KDE 4.x "start" menu per se
[05:21] <RProgrammer> No wait
[05:21] <RProgrammer> The top right corner
[05:21] <spike_s> not to be confused with Kickstart which is the Amiga Firmware chipset that initiates loading the AmigaOS.
[05:21] <spike_s> on a m68k Amiga that is LOL
[05:21] <spike_s> anywho
[05:22] <erm__> someone is a dork
[05:22] <erm__> *zing*
[05:22] <RProgrammer> Who worries about name confusion?
[05:22] <spike_s> top right corner.. the droplet thign that looks like fishpoo that brings up the KDE widgets app thingy (is that dashboard?)
[05:23] <RProgrammer> I have a command named kvm, but instead of being 'kvm', the virtualization suite it's a KDE Screen Saver which has to do with cellular automata
[05:23] <RProgrammer> Yes the widget menu
[05:23] <RProgrammer> It becomes colorized on mouse hover
[05:23] <erm__> should i switch to kubuntu?
[05:23] <spike_s> that it does
[05:24] <RProgrammer> It looks suspiciously like a foot with an enlarged sole
[05:24] <spike_s> erm__: what do you use now?
[05:24] <erm__> i'm on ubuntu/gnome
[05:24] <RProgrammer> The foot of course being the symbol of Gnome
[05:24] <spike_s> looks like golden fish poo to me or a drop of paint or something
[05:24] <spike_s> yes I'm aware of the Gnome foot
[05:24] <erm__> is it possible to run both desktops?
[05:25] <RProgrammer> Yes
[05:25] <spike_s> erm__: you don't have to switch to Kubuntu to enjoy KDE goodness you can just add the KDE package
[05:25] <erm__> kubuntu and ubuntu?
[05:25] <spike_s> and then you can have either GNOME or KDE on the login screen, your choice
[05:25] <erm__> i have the choice
[05:25] <spike_s> and you can switch between them.
[05:25] <erm__> i'm wondering if there is a way to run both
[05:25] <spike_s> and you can run KDE and GNOME apps in either interface after you do that. (though it can be weird and frustrating to do just that it will work)
[05:26] <erm__> how would i start kde now that i'm in gnome?
[05:26] <dwidmann> And the options go on, you can  have any desktop environment you want with ubuntu, all at the same time, and you can switch amongst them at will
[05:26] <erm__> my brain might explode tonigt
[05:26] <RProgrammer> You switch by using the "Session type" menu at login
[05:27] <spike_s> erm__: well yes and no.. to run both full screen would require two X11 Servers running simultaneously with two graphics cards and two monitors.. but you can run one or the other as your WM/DE at login and choose which one at login if you want to run one.. one time and the other another time.
[05:27] <spike_s> you can run the apps for one inside the other either way.
[05:27] <spike_s> most people don't do that last thing.. but some do.. it's just up to you.
[05:27] <erm__> Hmmmmm
[05:27] <spike_s> but to do it you do not need to install a full Kubuntu disc, you would just add KDE to your Ubuntu installation that you are already using.
[05:27] <RProgrammer> I don't think Firefox is KDE-native, nor is Synaptic
[05:28] <erm__> not possible to switch between kde/gnome and maintain login to both?
[05:28] <dwidmann> Just install the appropriate packages and you're good to go (for example, if you have bandwidth and you want to experiment, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ubuntu-desktop xubuntu-desktop fluxbox e16
[05:28] <erm__> fluxbox?
[05:28] <erm__> i've seen ice
[05:28] <dwidmann> fluxbox is cool
[05:28] <dwidmann> very lightweight, yet still somewhat flexible
[05:29] <RProgrammer> Hey, that's personal contamination
[05:29] <dwidmann> eh?
[05:29] <RProgrammer> erm_: Install fluxbox if you want to, but KDE uses KWin by default
[05:29] <spike_s> RProgrammer: no Firefox and Synaptic are not native to either Gnome or KDE :) you are soo correct on that.
[05:29] <spike_s> iirc they're motif or GTK-based
[05:29] <spike_s> in some way.
[05:29] <erm__> what's Kwin vs fluxbox?
[05:29] <RProgrammer> Window managers
[05:30] <RProgrammer> Window managers are another thing
[05:30] <erm__> flux  uses?
[05:30] <dwidmann> RProgrammer: you can use fluxbox completely separate of KDe if yyou want to, also, if you really wanted to, you could do silly things like use metacity in kde and kwin in gnome
[05:30] <spike_s> erm__: are you new to Unix/Linux and X11 way of GUI?
[05:30] <RProgrammer> fluxbox is a window manager
[05:30] <rebecka> flubox uses fluxbox
[05:30] <erm__> ok ok,
[05:30] <rebecka> kde can use kwin or compiz...
[05:30] <erm__> i'm not new new, i understand window managment
[05:30] <rebecka> eheheh
[05:31] <dwidmann> the window manager is but one component of a desktop ... it draws the windows and does a few other things
[05:31] <erm__> i see, i'm using compiz now in Gnome, have it rotating desktops and all that
[05:31] <erm__> does flux have a similar function?
[05:32] <rebecka> i have a question though - does anyone know how to change localization of kde3 apps in kde4
[05:32] <dwidmann> rebecka: I think technically it can use any opendesktop compatible window manager, or something like that
[05:32] <rebecka> i dont use system-wide localization
[05:32] <dwidmann> erm__: no, fluxbox is much more minimal, kwin has features like that though
[05:32] <dwidmann> I think e is moving in that direction also
[05:33] <dwidmann> somewhat
[05:33] <spike_s> thanks dwidmann I was wondering how to install all that, I just launched the processes.. it should be done in about 13min installing all that stuff.. I love my all fiber optic connection.
[05:33] <spike_s> erm fluxbox is a window manager
[05:33] <dwidmann> spike_s: must be nice ... I'm stuck with satellite, it's terrible; however, I'm in a hotel right now and can get about 800kb/s :)
[05:33] <spike_s> kwin is a window manager
[05:33] <spike_s> kwin is used by kde
[05:33] <dwidmann> spike_s: of course it is
[05:34] <spike_s> fluxbox is it's own thing
[05:34] <erm__> similar to compiz
[05:34] <rebecka> i mean the system is polish, but i dont speak it well so i would like to change menus into english versions - works good with kde4 applications, but im using a few kde3 ones - could i change their language too?
[05:34] <spike_s> not everyone uses a desktop environment on Linux/Unix erm__
[05:34] <erm__> fluxbox runs in kde? or gnome?
[05:34] <erm__> or flux? :O
[05:34] <dwidmann> erm__: if you want it to, you could use it to replace kwin or metacity, yes
[05:35] <dwidmann> erm__: it can also be run all by itself
[05:35] <erm__> can someone now tell me how to reply in IRC?
[05:35] <dwidmann> !tab
[05:35] <RProgrammer> **incoming**
[05:35] <RProgrammer> The stack goes: X11 hides the hardware, providing programs with an interface to simply, your monitor (as well as input devices, like keyboard and mouse).  A window manager allows multiple applications to share a monitor without fighting.  A desktop environment, like KDE or Gnome provides a whole bunch of things in a bundle, like common apps, a default window manager, behind-the-scenes utility libraries to make programmer's lives easier and 
[05:36] <erm__> [meta]: dwidmann reply?
[05:36] <rebecka> erm_ fluxbox is a neat minimalistic window manager, that doesnt have "desktop environment" other than very simple right-click menu
[05:36] <erm__> gotcha, so like going to apple 1.0
[05:36] <erm__> lol
[05:36] <dwidmann> erm__: you need only include the persons nick in the message, anywhere in the message, and it'll highlight for them (assuming they have highlighting turned on)
[05:37] <erm__> more commonly MAC?
[05:37] <RProgrammer> You can swap various components within the layers with relative ease.
[05:37] <erm__> [meta]: dwidmann but everyone still see message?
[05:37] <dwidmann> erm__: yes
[05:37] <RProgrammer> Except X11, no one uses an alternate version of that
[05:37] <erm__> DOH
[05:37] <dwidmann> erm__: and what is the [meta] about?
[05:38] <erm__> that's what happens when i hit tab
[05:38] <dwidmann> erm__: type a letter or two of the nick before hitting tab?
[05:38] <erm__> dwidmann: I was doing tab first then the letter or two
[05:39] <erm__> [meta]: dwidmann [meta]
[05:39] <erm__> lol
[05:39] <spike_s> erm__: if you want to private message (PM) someone directly in irc you do "/msg nickname what you want to say" without quotes
[05:39] <dwidmann> or /query if you want everything to occur in the new window,
[05:40] <spike_s> usually depending on the irc client it will spawn a tab or window for that conversation, though some clients do them in-line in whatever window/tab you are currently in.
[05:40] <RProgrammer> erm__: One last thing, to change your default window manager, go into System -> Preferences (or System Settings in kubuntu) -> Default Applications -> Window Manager
[05:40] <spike_s> but change the color of the private lines so that you know that not everyone else sees them.
[05:41] <RProgrammer> That's nice; my old IRC program didn't do that
[05:41] <spike_s> so if all your friends are on the same irc network you can pm them by nickname/handle just like using an IM server/client (AIM, Yahoo Messenger, and so on)
[05:41] <spike_s> note IRC is much much older than all the newer IM chat stuff that is out there.
[05:41] <RProgrammer> I'm psyched
[05:41] <erm__> man, this is why i never IRC's
[05:42] <spike_s> there is also a thing called DCC file transfer and DCC Chat (stands for Direct Computer Connection <iirc>) but that's a whole nother story
[05:42] <RProgrammer> First a hardware lister, then a 20x performance boost, then auto-nickname completion; it's like Christmas!
[05:42] <dwidmann> RProgrammer: a 20x performance boost?
[05:43] <RProgrammer> Well, according to glxgears
[05:43] <erm__> how long have you been logged in RProgrammer?
[05:43] <RProgrammer> Really maybe a 3x boost in graphics
[05:43] <dwidmann> glxgears is _not_ a benchmark
[05:43] <RProgrammer> I know, I know
[05:43] <RProgrammer> erm__: In IRC or in my OS?
[05:44] <erm__> IRC
[05:44] <RProgrammer> Wow too long
[05:44] <erm__> this channel in particular
[05:44] <RProgrammer> I should be getting to bed
[05:44] <dwidmann> good night RProgrammer
[05:44] <erm__> oh man
[05:44] <erm__> no wa
[05:45] <RProgrammer> I logged in at 22:20 CST
[05:45] <erm__> it is now?
[05:45] <erm__> only seems like 1:20?
[05:45] <RProgrammer> So, ~ 1 hour + 20 minutes
[05:45] <hx> love the standard notifications in kde4.
[05:45] <hx> nice one.
[05:45] <RProgrammer> But I overslept this morning, so it balances out
[05:46] <erm__> brb, switching to kde
[05:46] <dwidmann> mmkay
[05:47] <RProgrammer> Is gnome still as dull as it used to be?
[05:48] <dwidmann> I wouldn't know, I don't "do" GNOME
[05:49] <erm__> i just switched to kde
[05:49] <erm__> now, for some reason when I first installed kubuntu, wirelss network didn't work
[05:49] <erm__> now i logged into gnome
[05:50] <erm__> swiched back over, to kde
[05:50] <erm__> and wifi works?
[05:51] <dwidmann> erm__: something interesting worth trying in the future is quassel ... that way you can be logged into irc, and even though you switch DE's or kill X or anything of the sort, you can log back in and start quasselclient and find out that you're still logged in to IRC ... very convenient anyhow
[05:51] <dwidmann> erm__: both are using networkmanager for wireless, perhaps that has something to do with it
[05:52] <erm__> dwidmann: i agree, but i'm wondering if it's a glitch or something that will be resolved from now on
[05:53] <dwidmann> erm__: if you're lucky then yes, you'll know after a reboot straight into KDE probably
[05:53] <spike_s> yep
[05:53] <erm__> brb * 2 :)
[05:53] <RProgrammer> Two full reboots will tell you for sure
[05:53] <erm__> lol
[05:54] <erm__> you're still here?
[05:54] <RProgrammer> hehe
[05:54] <erm__> brb * 2
[05:54] <dwidmann> RProgrammer: don't feel so bad about it, it's an hour later here :)
[05:54] <RProgrammer> Yeah, but you probably don't wake up at 6:00 every morning
[05:55] <dwidmann> It's an odd occurance to see me out of bed before noon, and on workdays I never wake up before 3pm :)
[05:55] <dwidmann> (well, not never, but I try not to)
[05:56] <RProgrammer> Most people who use IRC do; and I used to
[05:56] <dwidmann> RProgrammer: most do what?
[05:56] <RProgrammer> Wake up at >= noon
[05:57] <RProgrammer> Most geeks in general
[05:57] <dwidmann> Interesting, guess I never noticed
[05:57] <RProgrammer> I've no idea why
[05:57] <RProgrammer> Have either of you noticed that erm__ is still here?
[05:57] <dwidmann> I personally prefer the night atmosphere
[05:58] <dwidmann> RProgrammer: that is certainly odd,  I thought he was rebooting
[05:59] <RProgrammer> Surviving an X restart is one thing, but that quassel is one heck of a program if it can stay logged in during a reboot ;)
[06:00] <RProgrammer> While there are people here.. What do you guys use to launch applications?
[06:00] <dwidmann> RProgrammer: it can if it's running on a separate computer :P
[06:00] <dwidmann> I use krunner
[06:01] <dwidmann> (default: alt+f2)
[06:01]  * RProgrammer googles
[06:02] <RProgrammer> Is that installed by default?
[06:03] <jaymerk> hello world. i am trying to install 9.04. right after selecting to install 9.04, i get an error "ata1: softreset failed (device not ready)". any ideas?
[06:03] <RProgrammer> jaymerk: Can you boot into recovery mode?
[06:04] <jaymerk> it's a new hard disk
[06:04] <jaymerk> so there's nothing on the drive
[06:04] <RProgrammer> What's your set-up?
[06:05] <jaymerk> phenom ii x3, gigabyte mobo, wd caviar black
[06:05] <erm___> so it's like it doesn' t find a hidden wifi network in kde, but it does in gnome
[06:05] <erm___> any ideas?
[06:06] <jaymerk> i've tried playing with the sata controller settings in the bios. i have it set to native ide right now and it still does it
[06:06] <RProgrammer> erm___: There should be a checkbox somewhere to view hidden networks
[06:07] <erm___> haven't found it within the kde wireless manager
[06:07] <jaymerk> the bios recognizes the hd, so i'm less inclined to think it's in the setup, though this is my first attempt at building a from parts.
[06:07] <RProgrammer> jaymerk: I mean, what are you using now to talk, what machine are you installing on, and how is it related to this hard drive?
[06:07] <erm___> RProgrammer: the one which starts with gnome does give you the option. .
[06:07] <RProgrammer> erm___: Try wicd
[06:07] <jaymerk> oh. heh. laptop
[06:08] <RProgrammer> jaymerk: Was there any OS on this machine previously?
[06:09] <jaymerk> i'm building a desktop, trying to install kubuntu on it, and getting the error avoce
[06:09] <RProgrammer> Ok
[06:09] <jaymerk> no. this is the first os for it
[06:09] <RProgrammer> jaymerk: So you're using a CD to install it?
[06:09] <jaymerk> yeah. the full install cd.
[06:11] <RProgrammer> jaymerk: Does it drop you to a shell?
[06:12] <jaymerk> no. after selecting to install kubuntu it prints [   2.023something] ata1...
[06:12] <RProgrammer> Hmm, I don't think I can help you; I've not much experience with the hardware side (though I'm learning).
[06:13] <RProgrammer> But I do know that ##linux is the perfect place for getting help on this
[06:13] <jaymerk> i will go there, thanks.
[06:13] <RProgrammer> This is not kubuntu, or even ubuntu related
[06:13] <jaymerk> i've done some googling and forum searching
[06:13] <RProgrammer> ata I think is even directly in the kernel itself, not even a driver
[06:13] <RProgrammer> * --"even"
[06:14] <jaymerk> and it seems that there have been issues with the sata controller. one fix that worked for some people was to include something like "all_native_ide" to the line before install
[06:15] <jaymerk> thanks. i will head over there now.
[06:15] <dwidmann> RProgrammer: no, I'm pretty sure it compiles as a module by default
[06:15] <RProgrammer> There you go then
[06:15] <dwidmann> or rather, a lot of modules
[06:18] <sparr> anyone using the NM plasmoid willing to test a bug for me?
[06:18] <RProgrammer> NM := Network Monitor?
[06:21] <RProgrammer> sparr: What do you mean by 'NM'?
[06:21] <sparr> Network Management
[06:22] <RProgrammer> Sorry, I use wicd
[06:23] <RProgrammer> Because 'NM' wouldn't connect to my WPA-PSK network no matter how many times I tried, or options I set
[06:23] <RProgrammer> I think it's a recognized bug
[06:24] <sparr> RProgrammer: one of many, im trying to add to the list :)
[06:25] <sparr> about to ditch KDE 4 for good, want to file as many good bug reports as possible before I go, so that no one can say I didn't try
[06:25] <RProgrammer> I've got a lot of bugs on a list waiting to be dumped when I finally get around to creating an account
[06:26] <RProgrammer> There should be more centralized bug trackers
[06:26] <ajavid> hello
[06:26] <ajavid> I am using a kde3 remix cd of 9.04
[06:26] <RProgrammer> Now I've really got to go to sleep
[06:26] <RProgrammer> 'night
[06:26] <ajavid> I wish to now install the full kde3 suite, what is the package name for this
[06:27] <ajavid> I try aptitude install kde3 but nothing
[06:27]  * RProgrammer didn't know the answer to that one anyway
[06:27] <ajavid> good night
[06:27] <ajavid> thanks for reading question
[06:28] <ajavid> anyone?
[06:33] <xjjk> ajavid: not familiar with the KDE3 remix... it's on my list to try it out...
[06:33] <xjjk> ajavid: it's not installed automatically already?
[06:36] <ajavid> only some kde3 apps
[06:36] <ajavid> it says to install kde3 app, install with appname-kde3 at the end
[06:36] <ajavid> but used to be able to type the metapackage 'kde' and all of kde would install
[06:37] <Deepthought> I lost my channellist in quassel; how do i get it back ?
[06:37] <ajavid> now i have to manually install kde3 apps one by one and specify the 'kde3' bit on end
[06:37] <ajavid> thats tedious
[06:37] <ajavid> very irritating
[06:38] <sparr> ajavid: im installing from that remix CD in a few minutes
[06:38] <ajavid> also
[06:39] <ajavid> my lost/found menu is full of garbage entries
[06:39] <ajavid> I've never installed xfce4 in this machien and it shows xfce4 applications in the lost and found menu item
[06:39] <ajavid> wtf is going on?
[06:41] <sparr> The plasma problem I have been trying to describe since yesterday:  http://trifocus.net/~sparr/plasma_render_delay.gif
[06:41] <xjjk> ajavid: weird...
[06:41] <ajavid> xjjk, I did have this disk installed in amchine other
[06:41] <ajavid> xjjk, I moved my /home disk to this machine
[06:41] <xjjk> ajavid: I imagine there's a metapackage for the KDE3 stuff, like kdemultimedia-kde3?
[06:42] <ajavid> I deleted .kde* form the /home/user before I installed kubuntu remix
[06:42] <sparr> ajavid: there's .*-kde3 :)
[06:42] <ajavid> *sigh*
[06:42] <ajavid> every single OS in the world sucks.
[06:42] <ajavid> every single one.
[06:43] <ajavid> It is my most sincere with that computers would work the way they were intended to work
[06:43] <ajavid> wish*
[06:43] <ajavid> but ... it is a wish
[06:45] <ajavid> and kde4 is a catastrophe
[06:45] <ajavid> damn kde to hell for this utter waste matter.
[06:46] <sparr> yes
[06:46] <ajavid> jump on the cool desktop bandwagon and leave every REAL user in trouble
[06:46] <sparr> careful, talking about kde 4 being sub-par gets you banned here
[06:46] <ajavid> debian just dosn't care
[06:47] <ajavid> debian just deprecated kde3 in testing/unstable
[06:47] <ajavid> I woudln't be cauht dead using ubuntu if it weren't for the kde3 ease
[06:47] <ajavid> and I'm about to throw in the towel and just say f it man :( go lxde
[06:48] <uskrewed> is anyone awake and willing to help a noob? :) I've exhausted my googling expertise
[06:48] <ajavid> uskrewed, what up
[06:48] <uskrewed> trying to install a webcam
[06:48] <uskrewed> it works just fine with VLC
[06:49] <uskrewed> but doesn't work with skype, Java (for stickam in firefox) or anything else
[06:51] <uskrewed> I've tried to install easycam but it's in french >_<
[06:55] <ajavid> ahhhh
[06:55] <ajavid> good old kcontrol
[06:56] <ajavid> omg I HATE systemsettings
[06:56] <ajavid> kcontrol FTW!
[06:56] <sparr> yeah
[06:56] <sparr> im with you there
[06:57] <ajavid> how do i get rid of stuff in the lost/found menu
[06:57] <ajavid> its full of stuff not even here
[06:58] <ajavid> screw it i just deletd the whole menu entry
[06:59] <ajavid> sparr, can't find the kde-icons-nuvola package
[07:00] <ajavid> search nuvola returns nothing
[07:00] <ajavid> thats my favorite kde icon theme
[07:04] <sparr> meh, i care not for themes
[07:19] <Chronop> did a version upgrade to kde 4 from kde 3.. any way to go back? having a LOT of trouble, and almost no answers
[07:20] <Chronop> not to mention i can't get the original amarok back. amarok 2.... really glitchy
[07:21] <ActionParsnip> Chronop: i have a repo for amarok 1.4 if you want (for jaunty)
[07:21] <Chronop> that would be a great start!
[07:22] <Chronop> at least keep me busy and able to play music
[07:22] <Chronop> =]
[07:22] <ActionParsnip> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/bogdanb/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main
[07:23] <Chronop> ty
[07:23] <ActionParsnip> Chronop: you'll need to sort the pgp key out too, if you tell me the error you get i'll give the command to get it
[07:23] <Chronop> k thannks
[07:24] <Chronop> NO_PUBKEY B9F1C432AE74AE63
[07:25] <ActionParsnip> cool, sec
[07:25] <ActionParsnip> all you need is the last 8 didgits of that
[07:26] <ActionParsnip> gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv AE74AE63; gpg --export --armor AE74AE63 | sudo apt-key add -
[07:26] <Chronop> sweet
[07:26] <Chronop> ty
[07:26] <ActionParsnip> works every time, just feed it the code (I have it in a script)
[07:27] <ActionParsnip> then run: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install amarok14
[07:27] <Chronop> already installing
[07:27] <ActionParsnip> here's my script: http://pastebin.com/f194ed2cb
[07:27] <Chronop> sweeeet
[07:27] <Chronop> ty so much
[07:27] <ActionParsnip> np bro
[07:28] <ActionParsnip> i need amarok 1.4 as 2.1 doesnt like xul remote which is essential to me
[07:28] <Chronop> now as soon as anyone can tell me one for kde 3 ! i'll be set ;)
[07:29] <ActionParsnip> no ide, i fell out of love with kde and jumped to lxde
[07:29] <Chronop> i've had dual desktop managers installed on kubuntu b 4
[07:29] <ActionParsnip> sick of crashes and instability
[07:29] <Chronop> kde 3 never crashed on me b 4
[07:29] <Chronop> i <3 it
[07:29] <Chronop> easy to tell it what to do
[07:29] <Chronop> yada yada
[07:29] <Chronop> atleast for what i do
[07:30] <Chronop> kde 4 too vistaish.. too controlled. no control
[07:30] <ActionParsnip> well conversely, kde is a lotof freedom, gnome trys to constrain more
[07:31] <ActionParsnip> linus torvalds even recommends kde, gnome gos for a simple ui with not much customisation
[07:32] <ActionParsnip> Chronop: http://www.osnews.com/story/12956
[07:34] <Guest19731> mornigs! where i can find THE source list, link?for kubuntu aundry
[07:34] <mattp_> Hi anyone used compcache?
[07:35] <Chronop> ActionParsnip: LMAO @ Link XD
[07:36] <ActionParsnip> Chronop: its true though
[07:37] <Guest19731> source list, please
[07:37] <ActionParsnip> Guest19731: what of it?
[07:39] <ActionParsnip> Guest19731: do you want to know what it is? Where it is stored? What it is for?
[07:45] <ActionParsnip> oh well, i tried
[07:45] <ActionParsnip> peace out kids
[07:46] <Guest19731> yes, where it is stored. i would like to know so i get a new one because of an upgrade, is sitll dont have the new liks include
[08:15] <mrafv> i'm getting badsig from the 4.2.4 ppa
[08:16] <dwidmann> Okay, I have kind of an odd problem here. I need shmconfig so I had to make a basic xorg.conf (Xorg -configure), that doesn't pick up on my touchpad at all, so I had to add that in. Strange thing is, now the scrolling/tapping doesn't work, even though it did with  no xorg.conf at all. (xorg.conf - http://pastebin.ca/1447233)
[08:17] <mrafv> the key doesn't seem to have been changed
[08:17] <mrafv> gpg: key 8AC93F7A: "Launchpad Kubuntu Updates" not changed
[08:25] <altrortla> hello... where i can find repositories file???
[08:26] <netdaemon>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:26] <altrortla> netdaemon: thank you
[08:26] <netdaemon> altrortla: no prob
[08:34] <dwidmann> Hmm, seems X wasn't correctly detecting the touchpad edges, no wonder it wasn't scrolling for me
[08:38] <mase_work> hey all , i have a WPA and also a WPA2 which i'm trying to connect to using my intel 500 wireless card on Jaunty. I'm completely up to date in terms of the available packages but i'm still having trouble connecting with the plasma-network-manager utility or knetwork-manager. I can use the gnome nm-applet but neither of the KDE options are working for me. Is this a common problem which is being worked on or is something in my setup screwy
[08:38] <mase_work> ?
[08:42] <mrafv> mase_work: wicd actually works, even though the shipped dbus config for it is broken
[08:43] <mase_work> mrafv: does that work with the plasmoid or does that require another applet ?
[08:43] <mrafv> mase_work: another applet
[08:44] <mrafv> it actually conflicts with nm, so that'll go
[08:44] <mase_work> mrafv: ok , willing to give that a try. is the applet qt based ? i don't have an issue with the gnome one aside from the fact that it loads up a bunch of gtk libs which i'm not really going to use. I am trying to minimize the amount of ram i'm using
[08:45] <mrafv> mase_work: it doesn't have any gnome deps
[08:45] <mase_work> ok i'll take a look.
[08:45] <mase_work> thanks
[08:46] <mrafv> mase_work: once installed change the dbus config for it to allow at_console instead of deny
[08:46] <mrafv> it should start then
[08:47] <mase_work> ok thanks. is this going to intefere with vpnc do you know ?
[08:47] <mase_work> it wants to remove the network-manager-vpnc plugin too
[08:48] <mrafv> so i guess you're stuck with nm then :(
[09:00] <dreimark> Riddell: it works :)
[09:15] <Guest19731> somebody can tell me where i can find the source list for kubuntun jaundry?
[09:21] <runlevelten> ok, for some points, what are the different means of traffic shaping someone might be doing on an 8.04 server?
[09:21] <runlevelten> I'm trying to put together a list for checking to hunt down a problem
[09:22] <runlevelten> actually, specifically bandwidth limitation on downstream
[09:24] <runlevelten> I'm specifically thinking of something novel enough that it might have been missed
[09:36] <Guest19731> proxy server configuration squid. somebody knows how to configurate this?
[09:37] <hunter> proxy server configuration squid. somebody knows how to configurate this?
[09:40] <eshat> What software can I use to record video with sound from my webcam (GUI prefered) ?
[09:41] <tdn_> How do I record a screen cast in Kubuntu 9.04? I need it to show a bug in a bug report.
[09:49] <Guest13199> TAG: http_port. where i can find this?
[10:13] <alexandernst> Hi all. I added the repo ppa for amarok 2.1 then I did update && upgrade && dist-upgrade (on 9.04) and I still have amarok 2.0 instead of 2.1. What's wrong?
[10:14] <shadeslayer> can i set the amarok splash as a wallpaper??
[10:17] <xiaket> Hi, shadeslayer, you can find that file in the file list of amarok package and set that file as wallpaper.
[10:17] <shadeslayer> xiaket: what about the rez??
[10:20] <cryingtux> hi
[10:20] <cryingtux>  can i install KDE 4.2.4 on intrepid?
[10:20] <Riddell> cryingtux: there's no packages for that
[10:20] <shadeslayer> cryingtux: nope
[10:21] <cryingtux> adding these repos would mess it up? http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2.4
[10:21] <shadeslayer> cryingtux: probablt
[10:21] <shadeslayer> *y
[10:22] <cryingtux> may be i should upgrade to 9.04 first
[10:22] <shadeslayer> cryingtux: yes..
[10:23] <cryingtux> shadeslayer: i have kde 4.2.2 installed on intrepid, should i disable those repos first?
[10:24] <shadeslayer> cryingtux: please upgrade to jaunty to use 4.2.4 , that ppa is specifically for jaunty
[10:24] <cryingtux> ok i will do that right now:::hope upgrade goes smooth
[10:25] <shadeslayer> cryingtux: imho get a alternate install CD
[10:25] <cryingtux> whats that?
[10:25] <Fanfare> alexandernst: maybe u dont have the key installed, default is then to NOT install packages
[10:25] <shadeslayer> !alternate | cryingtux
[10:26] <cryingtux> shadeslayer: thanks
[10:26] <shadeslayer> that factoid need a update too :|
[10:26] <alexandernst> Fanfare: Ok, where can I get the key?
[10:26] <Fanfare> first redo an sudo apt-get update see if missing keys are reported
[10:27] <alexandernst> Fanfare: Nope. That was what I was going to tell ya.
[10:27] <alexandernst> apt-get update return no errors.
[10:27] <alexandernst> s/return/returns
[10:28] <Fanfare> alexandernst: ok, so u have the NO_PUBKEY <something> part?
[10:28] <alexandernst> I guess so, but I'm not sure. I just opened sources.list with kate and pasted the repo there.
[10:29] <alexandernst> Then I saved the changes and I did the update...
[10:29] <alexandernst> (like every other repo)
[10:30] <Fanfare> alexandernst: hm, sudo apt-get upgrade asks to install somethin (j/N) or (J/n) ?
[10:31] <alexandernst> No. Nothing...
[10:31] <alexandernst> 0 updated, 0 will be installed, 0 deleted and 0 not updated.
[10:32] <Fanfare> alexandernst: jaunty? dpkg-query -l amarok*
[10:33] <alexandernst> Fanfare: http://pastebin.com/m203cbc0f
[10:35] <shadeslayer> where does k3b store a image of a CD ??
[10:37] <alexandernst> Fanfare: Oh fuck god... I got it.
[10:37] <alexandernst> I have installed amarok-kde4, but 2.1 is called amarok. So, I have to remove amarok-kde4 and install amarok.
[10:38] <Fanfare> alexandernst: have fun :-)
[10:38] <alexandernst> Fanfare: Thanks :)
[10:39] <Fanfare> alexandernst: next time use adept or aptitude, they would have deleted it automatically - i think.
[10:40] <alexandernst> Ah! One more thing. I have some problems with qt3 apps. I can't see any icons from kde3.x/qt3 apps. I mean, k3b for example. I start it and I'm able to burn cd's/dsvd's and everything, but I can't see the icons in the menu. I see only the text.
[10:40] <cryingtux> whats the command used to upgrade ?
[10:41] <alexandernst> cryingtux: sudo update-manager -d
[10:41] <eeos> how do you edit exif files on kubuntu? (just changing the tietle, putting categories and copyright to the images)
[10:41] <Fanfare> alexandernst:  dpkg-query -l *qt3*
[10:41] <shadeslayer> cryingtux: i wouldnt recommend that...users get alot of problems
[10:41] <cryingtux> alexandernst: thanks
[10:42] <cryingtux> shadeslayer: you recommend alternate cd?
[10:43] <alexandernst> Fanfare: I got only one line. It says something like... No packages found for opera_10.....qt3_amd64.deb
[10:43] <shadeslayer> cryingtux: absolutely....you will probably face problems after the upgrade...many users have already complained...this is from personal experience
[10:43] <cryingtux> shadeslayer: i will try to see which one suits better
[10:44] <shadeslayer> cryingtux: your choice ;)
[10:44] <Fanfare> alexandernst: try installing libqt4-qt3support maybe it helps
[10:45] <Fanfare> alexandernst: dpkg-query -l k3b*
[10:46] <alexandernst> Fanfare: It says that it's already installed. And this is the k3b* http://pastebin.com/m2da63042
[10:49] <Fanfare> alexandernst: !bug #21162
[10:49] <Fanfare> alexandernst: ?bug #21162
[10:49] <alexandernst> The bot is on vacations x)
[10:50] <Fanfare> alexandernst: did u install k3b lately or u hve it installed long time already?
[10:50] <shadeslayer> dont think so
[10:50] <shadeslayer> !botsnack
[10:50] <Fanfare> shadeslayer: :-)
[10:50] <alexandernst> Fanfare: I have it long time already.
[10:50] <alexandernst> shadeslayer: hehe :p
[10:51] <simion314> hi, my clock is 80% visible , if the time is 12:00 i see the time as 2:00 and 2 is not visible 100%, is there a space widgit or a way to make it visible 100%?
[10:51] <simion314> i am using kde4.2.3
[10:51] <alexandernst> Fanfare: But this happens with every app made for kde 3.x
[10:52] <alexandernst> kanyremote for example
[10:52] <shadeslayer> simion314: try deleting the widget and re loading it
[10:53] <Fanfare> alexandernst: http://pastebin.com/m6b5e7f8a but that may be too many...
[10:54] <alexandernst> I should install all those packages?
[10:54] <alexandernst> menos qt3-designer...
[10:54] <alexandernst> and some other apps.
[10:55] <simion314> shadeslayer: is not working, i am using the digital clock but i disable the show date
[10:55] <Fanfare> alexandernst: http://pastebin.com/m3d3434d1 better (mine)
[10:55] <alexandernst> Ok, I'll try it right now. Give me 1min.
[10:57] <alexandernst> Fanfare: Ok, I installed all of them, and I get the same thing.
[10:57] <alarm> good morning. how could i make the knetworkmanager (for my wifi) , start automatically every time i bot in my system ?
[10:59] <shadeslayer> simion314: no idea then
[10:59] <Fanfare> alexandernst: hm, remove k3b and try reinstall ... but i dont know further...
[11:00] <Fanfare> alexandernst: also think of restarting X/kde
[11:00] <alexandernst> Fanfare: Yeah, windows method :p, didn't worked... Well, I guess that I'll just wait for k3b 2.0, and, the kanyremote thing... nah, I'll be fine :) I can live without icons :)
[11:00] <shadeslayer> is there a app which can increase resolution without reducing quality??
[11:00] <alexandernst> Nah, don't worry ;) It's not a big thing.
[11:01] <alexandernst> Thanks for the help! ^^
[11:17] <narlier> somebody from brazil?
[11:17] <shadeslayer> !br | narlier
[11:18] <shadeslayer> anyway to merge two terminals??
[11:20] <shadeslayer> hehe...terminal crashed
[11:20] <Fanfare> shadeslayer: not sure, but ever tryed screen?
[11:20] <shadeslayer> screen ??
[11:21] <jussi01> !screen
[11:21] <shadeslayer> btw no need now since my terminal crashed and now ive got both as tabs
[11:21] <Fanfare> yup, not sure it can merge, but powerfull anyways
[11:22] <shadeslayer> Fanfare: i can spilt the konsole in two but not merge it :)
[11:23] <Fanfare> konsole cant merge afaik
[11:23] <shadeslayer> yep
[11:25] <shadeslayer> how do i set a background in karmaba theme??
[11:27] <shadeslayer> nm
[11:45] <ahox> Hi, is there some way to see all files that a specific program opens/reads? I need this for debugging. Kind of like a real-time lsof
[11:46] <safc> ahox: strace maybe?
[11:47] <ahox> safc: thanks a lot, looks like what I want
[11:52] <vistakiller> how can i set a static ip with network manager?
[12:06] <aswath> hi
[12:07] <aswath> for me its so boring any one please chat wit me???????
[12:09] <alarm> how can i deactivate the effect where a small description appears when i go over a button on the task bar ?
[12:19] <matt__> heya, i dont suppose there is anybody around who could help a newbie out with a problem?
[12:22] <cuznt> !ask
[12:22] <alarm> cuznt,  how smart... i also asked but nobody replied :P
[12:23]  * cuznt just woke up
[12:23]  * cuznt is also not that smaRT but tries anyway
[12:24] <matt__> Okies. Im having the problem with laptops where if you close your lid, when you re open it the screen flickers and is unusable. I have tried a couple of work arounds that didnt seem to work, but am a fair newbie when it comes to linux so im not sure if i did them correctly.
[12:24] <matt__> Sorry, i am using Ubuntu netbook remix 9.04 with kubuntu-desktop installed on an acer one d150
[12:25] <cuznt> alarm menu>system settings>notifications i think
[12:25] <cuznt> matt_ that i have no idea about
[12:25]  * cuznt has never owned a laptop
[12:25] <alarm> nah its not in notifications
[12:30] <david_it> hi, is there something like "ubuntu netbook remix" with kde?
[12:30] <david_it> or is it possible to integrate kde in ubuntu netbook remix, without installing gnome?
[12:34] <user6> how to upgrade kubuntu 7.10 to actual version?
[12:34] <user6> how to upgrade kubuntu 7.10 to 9.04?
[12:35] <Unksi> user6: you will need to upgrade it through all the ubuntu versions released between these two
[12:35] <Unksi> it will be a long upgrade, you are better off making a clean install
[12:35] <Unksi> if you want to upgrade despite of that, there are instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades
[12:36] <Unksi> ups, wrong link, this one is correct: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades
[12:38] <user6> Unksi: version update doesn't appears
[12:39] <user6> azz
[12:43] <Unksi> user6: have you tried fetching updates?
[12:48] <Guest26661> can sombody tell me how sql works?
[12:49] <Guest26661> sql database
[13:00] <ka> HI
[13:02] <ka> I can't seem to get virtualbox to work: "Error! Your kernel source for kernel 2.6.28-12-server cannot be found at
[13:02] <ka> /lib/modules/2.6.28-12-server/build or /lib/modules/2.6.28-12-server/source
[13:02] <ka> But kernel source is installed
[13:11] <RProgrammer> I set Desktop Grid to show 9 desktops as 3x3, but KWin internally sees them as 2x5 (missing one) when it switches Desktop-(Up,Down,Leaf,Right)
[13:11] <RProgrammer> Is this a known bug?
[13:18] <ka> RProgrammer: Yes I think so there are  many more absurdities of the desktop grid.
[13:19] <ka> Search for it and give your vote... :-)
[13:19]  * RProgrammer sighs
[13:20] <RProgrammer> But the big problem right now is that I can't get all my keyboard shortcuts to work
[13:20] <RProgrammer> The window switcher just started working again when I remapped it to Meta-Alt-'-'
[13:20] <RProgrammer> No wait
[13:21] <RProgrammer> That was a once-only deal
[13:21] <RProgrammer> Maybe if I log out and back in again..
[13:21] <AceKing> Hi all... When you install a program from the repositories and it doesn't show in the menus, how do you run it?
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> AceKing: type the start of its name in konsole and press tab
[13:24] <AceKing> Ok
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> AceKing: once you know its command you can use kmenuedit to add the icon manually if you wish
[13:25] <AceKing> ActionParsnip: Just to make sure, Terminal is the same as Konsole?
[13:25] <ActionParsnip> AceKing: same deal, yes
[13:25] <AceKing> ActionParsnip: Thanks
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> AceKing: i'm guessing you've install kde ontop of ubuntu
[13:26] <AceKing> ActionParsnip: I'm not sure, I'm new to this
[13:27] <ActionParsnip> AceKing: don't sweat it, its not important ;)
[13:27] <AceKing> ActionParsnip: do I need KDE to run certain programs?
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> AceKing: not strictly, you may need some of the parts of kde that certain programs use
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> AceKing: apps have dependancys and these are dealt with via apt-get and synaptic etc. If an app needs a library of program it will be installed for you
[13:29] <AceKing> ActionParsip: so it will do it automatically if I need it?
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> AceKing: yes
[13:29] <AceKing> ActionParsnip: Thank you
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> AceKing: so if you run ubuntu (gnome based) and install say, amarok (kde based) then you will install a whole bunch of stuff that amarok needs which will include a large chunk of kde
[13:31] <AceKing> ActionParsnip: Ok
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> AceKing: some folks (like me) like to keep kde pure and gnome pure and not go between but there is nothing to stop you mixing things up
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> AceKing: i just dislike bloat
[13:31] <AceKing> ActionParsnip: I typed the name of the program in Terminal, and this is what I got: ace@ace-desktop:~$ esniper
[13:31] <AceKing> Error: no auctions specified.
[13:31] <AceKing> usage: esniper [-bdhHnmPrUv] [-c conf_file] [-l logdir] [-p proxy] [-q quantity]
[13:31] <AceKing>        [-s secs|now] [-u user] (auction_file | [auction price ...])
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> AceKing: if i were you i'd just get comfy with what you have and get all your stuff setup
[13:32] <alarm_> hello, how can i put knetworkmanager to autostart after i login ?
[13:32] <alarm_> i added it in "autostart" from the system settings, but didnt seem to start
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> alarm_: you can create a symlink to it in ~/.kde/Autostart
[13:32] <alarm_> i have to start it manualy from console every time
[13:33] <alarm_> symlink meaning ?
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> alarm_: like a windows shortcut (synonm)
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> alarm_: what command do you have to run each time?
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> alarm_: I'll give you the command
[13:33] <alarm_> knetworkmanager
[13:33] <AceKing> ActionParsnip: I've had Ubuntu 9.04 for a month now.. still getting used to it
[13:34] <ActionParsnip> ln -s `which knetworkmanager` ~/.kde/Autostart/startknetworkmanager
[13:34] <alarm_> it starts and then i can choose my wifi network (the plasma application is getting annoying since it has to get the verification first from kdewallet... which i dont want, and asks ALWAYS for the key as it doesnt save it)
[13:34] <ActionParsnip> alarm_: you can name it whatever you want, i just improvised with startknetworkmanager
[13:34] <ActionParsnip> alarm_: i'm unsure there dude, sorry
[13:35] <alarm_> okie i will try the link first
[13:35] <alarm_> if that works its ok.
[13:35] <alarm_> i will know by the next reboot
[13:35] <ActionParsnip> alarm_: it will make the app load at logon
[13:35] <ActionParsnip> alarm_: you can do it with ANY app
[13:35] <ActionParsnip> alarm_: you can even drop scripts in there and they will be ran
[13:36] <alarm_> hmm strange
[13:36] <alarm_> i just located knetworkmanager , its under /usr/bin
[13:37] <alarm_> alarm@rockpc:/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins$ ls -s /usr/bin/knetworkmanager /home/alarm/.kde/Autostart/startknetworkmanager
[13:37] <alarm_> oh sorry
[13:37] <alarm_> i wrote LS
[13:37] <alarm_> not ln...
[13:37] <alarm_> my mistake
[13:37] <alarm_> ok done
[13:37] <ActionParsnip> alarm_: ln = LiNk  -s  = symbolic link
[13:37] <alarm_> yeap , was my mistake
[13:37] <ActionParsnip> alarm_: now when you log in it wil be ran for you
[13:38] <alarm_> one more simple question as i could not locate this setting. how can i remove the roll over effects (of mouse) , not to show me notifications when i run over applications/buttons on the task bar ?
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> alarm_: ln -s is very powerful nd makes the OS see a file when its a fake
[13:38] <alarm_> ehmm i hope that helps
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> alarm_: you can also do it with folders
[13:38] <alarm_> yeap got the idea :)
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> alarm_: folders are interesting though, if you cd into a symlinked folder then cd .. you will go back where you started and not to the containing folder of the folder which has been linked to
[13:40] <ActionParsnip> alarm_: not sure about the mouse thing though
[13:40] <ActionParsnip> alarm_: anything in mouse settings?
[13:40] <alarm_> not sure, u mean you did not understand what i mean or not sure you do not know how to deactivate it ? :) i know my description wasnt that clear
[13:41] <ActionParsnip> alarm_: like the little popup that says what it  is and previews etc?
[13:41] <alarm_> let me be more expressive . when i roll the mouse over taskbar buttons (Firefox for example), a small window appears with the content of this application
[13:41] <alarm_> i want to deactivate that
[13:41] <alarm_> exactly that one
[13:41] <alarm_> cant find its setting, or i missed it while going through the settings
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> i think its tooltips or somesuch
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> not sure really
[13:42] <Authority> alarm_: right click on an empty space in the task manager, go to settings, then uncheck the tooltips
[13:43] <Authority> alarm_: if you just want to get rid of the snapshot of the window but keep the name popup, that's a desktop effect you can turn off
[13:43] <alarm_> ok found it. i could never access those settings to be honest. didnt know they exist
[13:44] <alarm_> ok "changed"
[13:44] <alarm_> lovely, thank you very much
[13:44] <alarm_> both
[13:49] <david_it> is it possible to integrate kde4 in ubuntu netbook remix...?
[13:55] <ActionParsnip> david_it: netbook remix uses gnome, you can install kde apps and use them in the remix if you wish
[13:57] <david_it> how to substitute nautilus with dolphin, for example?
[14:00] <ActionParsnip> david_it: install dolphin, you may need to edit the interface slightly, i'm unsure
[14:03] <david_it> ok to install dolphin... then, you don't know how to set dolphin as "default" when open a folder... right?
[14:07] <tyler__> hi
[14:08] <tyler__> get off all of you
[14:08] <Tm_T> tyler__: er?
[14:08] <tyler__> yes
[14:14] <RProgrammer> I just set the OpenGL render mode for KWin to "Fallback" and now I can't log in
[14:14] <RProgrammer> How can I manually reset it from the terminal; is there a config file?
[14:20] <ahox> RProgrammer: remove the .kde/share/config/kwinrc
[14:21] <ahox> RProgrammer, or change the entry Backend in this file
[14:21] <RProgrammer> Excellent
[14:21]  * RProgrammer is trying
[14:21] <RProgrammer> Yep
[14:21] <RProgrammer> Thanks a bunch
[14:22]  * RProgrammer writes .kde/share/config in his fu journal
[14:26] <petsounds> hello, can i get sth like dsp plugin for amarok? thanks
[14:35] <hvm> Hi, what text file should I edit to disable desktop effects?
[14:36] <hvm> hey are crashing the computer completely
[14:36] <hvm> *they
[14:38] <Dragnslcr> hvm- probably one of the kwin files in ~/.kde/share/config
[14:39] <hvm> ye, fount it already
[14:39] <hvm> thanks anywya
[14:40] <hvm> hm, *found, *anyway
[14:43] <hvm> ok, so did anyone have the same problem? when i activate desktop effects (i.e. compositing) it looks works ok for a few minutes and then the monitor goes to sleep and no input works, i have to reset
[14:44] <igor> Hi, openning some sites konqueror writes port in the address bar  wich causes security troubles. Is there a way to fix it?
[14:44] <Zorael> Can anyone recommend a decent DLNA media server app from which I could play media on my 360/PS3?
[14:46] <safc> Zorael: fuppes?
[14:46] <safc> igor: how does that cause security troubles?
[14:46] <Zorael> safc: Any personal experience with that one? I see Mediatomb and gmediaserver in the repos
[14:47] <safc> Zorael: I use one at home but can't for the life of me remember the name, it's not fuppes though :)
[14:47] <safc> Zorael: so no experience of fuppes :)
[14:47] <Zorael> safc: mmkay :3
[14:48] <igor> safc: I get messages like "Security Breach or Incorrect Firewall.", if I remove port everithing is fine
[14:48] <safc> Zorael: ah ushare is what i use :)
[14:48] <safc> its quite good
[14:48] <safc> igor: hmm, never came across that one
[14:48] <Zorael> safc: I
[14:49] <Zorael> *cough*
[14:49] <safc> igor: have you an example site?
[14:49] <Zorael> safc: I'll try it, thanks
[14:49] <safc> Zorael: ok, enjoy :)
[14:50] <runlevelten> NOT specifying different ports in the address bar is a security hassle tbh
[14:51] <igor> safc: I have, but unfortunately  it's popular russian social netwotk((
[14:52] <raphink> igor: what is the URL?
[14:53] <igor> raphink: it won't work as you have to register first, I'll try to find some other example
[14:54] <raphink> give the url anyway igor, I would like to see what social networks are popular in russia  :)
[14:54] <runlevelten> aye, so would I
[14:54] <Daviey> raphink: vkontakte.ru
[14:55] <igor> raphink: ok)), http://vkontakte.ru
[14:55] <raphink> oh, facebook color scheme and font ;)
[14:55] <tyler_> waht
[14:55] <igor> yep, very similar))
[14:56] <raphink> and icons
[14:56] <tyler_> i did not know that
[14:56]  * raphink is happy wave might still replace all the social networks :)
[14:57] <tyler_> no
[14:57] <raphink> tyler_d: ?
[14:58] <raphink> igor: ok, so this russian facebook clone calls urls with explicit ports
[14:58] <raphink> what ports does it call? 80? 443?
[14:59] <tyler_> i like ice cream
[15:00] <raphink> tyler_: great
[15:00] <igor> raphink: yes, but only when I use konqueror from kde 4.2, for firefox it's ok, port 80
[15:00] <raphink> igor: if I type http://google.com:80 in konqueror, it works fine
[15:01] <runlevelten> raphink: yes, it'll be the server or some other software giving that error
[15:01] <tyler_> waht
[15:01] <runlevelten> like a firewall on the local machine, or a firewall appliance?
[15:01] <raphink> runlevelten: probably, I've never seen that error in konqueror
[15:01] <tyler_> oh
[15:02] <raphink> runlevelten: I doubt it comes from the website, as the website is fully in Russian
[15:02] <runlevelten> igor: what port does the website also operate on - is it 443 or 8080?
[15:02] <igor> raphink: but I don't know why konqueror specifies port in adress bar? It almost never  happens for other sites.  http://vkontakte.ru:80
[15:03] <igor> url is  http://vkontakte.ru:80/..
[15:03] <runlevelten> raphink: you say that, but the error messages from the server are in english
[15:03] <runlevelten> (nginx)
[15:03] <igor> yes
[15:03] <tyler_> i don`t care if it is russin
[15:04] <runlevelten> Ok, that's odd
[15:04] <raphink> runlevelten: if you mean webserver messages sure, I expected applicative messages
[15:05] <raphink> of course it must be nginx ;)
[15:05] <runlevelten> raphink: indeed, and that other business sounded like that - however in this case, that server doesn't seem to do it
[15:05] <runlevelten> why would it with :80 on the end after all :)
[15:06] <igor> yes, that's the question
[15:06] <runlevelten> I wonder if there's some other software or device running in between that thinks the :80 is naughty
[15:06] <runlevelten> ie from the actual request as a string
[15:06] <raphink> which it is not
[15:07] <runlevelten> igor - can you pastebin the exact error message, verbatim, please?
[15:07] <|PaperTiger|> can someone name a video player that supports WMV files
[15:07] <igor> "Security Breach or Incorrect Firewall."
[15:09] <raphink> |PaperTiger|: vlc, mplayer
[15:09] <runlevelten> so let's see if google will tell us which hardware or software firewall is matching that :80 as a bad thing then
[15:10] <raphink> igor: try to go to http://google.com:80
[15:10] <runlevelten> that's a good idea :)
[15:10] <|PaperTiger|> raphink, thanks
[15:11] <igor> raphink: it's ok, and it doesn't show 80 in the adress bar
[15:11] <raphink> igor: then it doesn't come from konqueror for sure
[15:11] <raphink> which I reckon in weird
[15:11] <runlevelten> hrmz
[15:12] <safc> googling that error turns up lots of russian pages!
[15:12] <raphink> safc: could be linked to nginx I guess
[15:12] <raphink> nginx is mostly used on russian websites iirc
[15:13] <safc> whats nginx?
[15:13] <runlevelten> it's interesting to note that almost every google result on that exact string is in Russian
[15:14] <raphink> runlevelten: vkontaktie claims 33M users
[15:14] <runlevelten> http://www.google.co.uk/search?q="security+Breach+or+Incorrect+Firewall."
[15:14] <raphink> so if other users have this issue on this website, it's not surprising
[15:14] <safc> does it happen on any other websites?
[15:15] <igor> I havn't found another example
[15:16] <runlevelten> Normally however, I would expect one or two english results for an english error message if it came from some popularly used software
[15:17] <runlevelten> even if only the developers who wrote the error message may speak english on the same website, heh
[15:17] <Guest67550> hey
[15:18] <jpedroza> Can someone point me to a plasmoid or application for managing Verizon Broadband connections that actually works? I have been fighting with the new NetworkManager plasmoid since the release of 9.04 and it just doesn't work, period. It is fine for wired and wireless connections, but for CDMA it is, well, fatally flawed.
[15:21] <igor> anyway thx all)
[15:22] <jpedroza> Does anyone know if you can still use knetworkmanager with 9.04?
[15:23] <jussi01> jpedroza: yes, you can
[15:24] <jussi01> simply remove the plasmoid, install knetwork manager and alt+f2 knetworkmanager
[15:25] <jpedroza> jussi01: I will give it a shot. Can't be any worse than the plasmoid.
[15:26] <jussi01> jpedroza: also, if you are happy installing some gnome components, you can install network-manager-gnome and then run nm-applet. this is nice as it has built in broadband connection support.
[15:27] <jpedroza> jussi01: I am not sure what to do. I do know that I now get to restart X because just adding a plasmoid crashed my dock.
[15:27] <jpedroza> biab
[15:27] <runlevelten> reports that machines will explode if you run gnome apps in a k environment and vice versa, are greatly exaggerated :)
[15:28] <raphink> for the most, they will crash irreversibly
[15:28] <raphink> ;)
[15:30] <voicu> So I have a radeon 9600 SE video card. with the xorg-radeon drivers compositing crashes after a few minutes, the builtin fglrx drivers crash when X starts and the fglrx drivers from amd's site work in 16bit mode only :P
[15:31] <voicu> also, wtf is up with this new xorg.conf file?
[15:31] <voicu> how do i specify X options?
[15:32] <voicu> and don't say i should just use the radeon drivers without compositing because that's not a solution, only a compromise
[15:41] <tomsdale> voicu: read about /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ and the options you can put in there. I think I read an article about that on fsdaily.com recently
[15:41] <tomsdale> generally configuration that used to go into one xorg.conf file you ca
[15:42] <strapi> hello
[15:42] <tomsdale> n now put in seperate xml files. Once you get the hang of it it actually works quite ok.
[15:42] <strapi> kerestem ubuntun vnc servert és kliens progit
[15:42] <strapi> megtaláltam a csomagok között és telepítettem
[15:43] <strapi> de most nem találom :(
[15:43] <tomsdale> !en | strappi
[15:43] <voicu> hm, quite complicated
[15:43] <strapi> sorry
[15:43] <tomsdale> np - I'd try to help if I would understand :-)
[15:43] <voicu> but i think i found a bug that's discussing this
[15:43] <strapi> i find vnc server and kliens
[15:44] <voicu> i mean a bug on the forums
[15:44] <strapi> i find it
[15:44] <voicu> bugs don't discuss ubuntu :P
[15:44] <strapi> ok
[15:44] <strapi> by
[15:46] <tomsdale> yeah - I have a similar problem with the current NVidia driver. I simply reverted to the older version which is now stable. voicu, did you ever have your card working under another version of ubuntu?
[15:46] <voicu> yes, it worked fine till kubu 8.04 or something
[15:46] <voicu> i used kubuntu on and off for a few years
[15:47] <tomsdale> Is there a chance you could try the same - just roll back a driver release earlier. Don't know how it works exactly in ATI land.
[15:47] <voicu> in the forum someone suggested to use another kernel
[15:47] <voicu> i'll try that
[15:49] <JuJuBee> can I configure a remote machine to allow me to share its desktop if I can ssh to it?
[15:49] <tomsdale> For the crashes I and some other experienced with our NVidia card people were also thinking it was the kernel. Seems to turn out to be the driver now though, just in case kernel doesn't work you might want to try that as well voicu
[15:50] <voicu> yeah, i will
[15:51] <jpedroza> jussi01: No good connecting with knetworkmanager. The connection worked under 8.10, but fails under 9.04. I am reverting to NetworkManager, as that at least lets me use my 802.11G wireless.
[15:52] <jpedroza> The card is recognized, but NEtworkManager says that the serial port is disconnected...
[15:52] <jpedroza> dmesg when I insert the card: http://pastebin.com/m25b26792
[15:55] <tomsdale> jpedroza: have you tried restarting after the card is inserted? I noticed on my dell that if I use the kill switch in a session afterwards the network management is dead and won't rerecognize my wifi
[15:58] <jpedroza> tomsdale: It doesn't matter if I insert the card after I boot up, or boot with it inserted.
[15:58] <jpedroza> tomsdale: It shows up, but show disconnected.
[15:58] <jpedroza> The frustrating part is that all of this worked fine until 9.04.
[16:00] <petsounds> hello, can someone guide me to install XBMC? thanks.
[16:00] <jpedroza> tomsdale: You are correct about NEtworkManager crashing, or freezing in my case, if I disconnect the card.
[16:02] <coz_> hey guys... I have this "folder view" widget on the desktop showing  files that are on my desktop... any way to actually have my files on the desktop show on the desktop? :)
[16:06] <tomsdale> jpedroza: I think networkmanager in KDE can still do with some love. I too have intermittand problems. Might be also because I still have my home folder from the Alpha 5 days
[16:08] <hdgdl> hallo
[16:14] <ReggaeMan> join #ubuntu-de
[16:23] <RProgrammer> Say I install an app that doesn't show up in the menus; how do I add it?
[16:25] <jpedroza> RProgrammer: Right click on the K menu and go to Menu Editor
[16:25] <jpedroza> RProgrammer: You can add the application there.
[16:26] <RProgrammer> Oooh sweet
[16:26] <RProgrammer> Does "Restore to System menu" pull from /usr/share/menu ?
[16:27] <jpedroza> RProgrammer: Not sure
[16:28] <jpedroza> brb, restarting X
[16:34] <jpedroza> Ok, I got the card to be recognized, there is a connection set up in NetworkManager, but when I try and connect I get the following in /var/log/syslog: http://pastebin.com/d400a51d9
[16:34] <jpedroza> It would appear that the NetworkManager is just borked
[16:35] <jpedroza> Epic Fail when it comes to setting up a serial connection.
[16:35] <RProgrammer> I agree
[16:35] <coz_> hey guys   4.2.2 is on jaunty   is it wise to update to 4.2.4?  and if so are there repositories for it?
[16:35] <RProgrammer> Use wicd
[16:35] <coz_> sorry  that is kde 4.2.2
[16:36] <jpedroza> RProgrammer: Does that work with Broadband cards, or just 802.11a,b,g,n, etc?
[16:40] <canen_> anyone know why ctrl+enter wouldn't be working in the kopete edit window?
[16:40] <RProgrammer> Oh, I don't know
[16:40] <canen_> as soon as bug is fixed in kopete another crops up that prevents me from using it
[16:40] <canen_> *sigh* back to pidgin i guess
[16:40] <shadon> sera
[16:40] <RProgrammer> My WiFi is what broke for me
[16:41] <jpedroza> RProgrammer: I can do WiFi with NetworkManager, it is just Verizon Broadband that fails.
[16:41] <jpedroza> Would these questions be better directed at the #kde folks?
[16:43] <tomsdale> I'm not sure whether the networkmanager is pure kde or ubuntu managed. My guess is is actually ubuntu since there were several updates after the release.
[16:43] <tomsdale> but just a guess.
[16:46] <tomsdale> In KDE Under all effects there is the effect "show paint". It draws and colours rectangles of areas on your screen that were recently refreshed.
[16:47] <juan__> esnpanosh
[16:47] <juan__> hola
[16:47] <tomsdale> I think it's more of a developer tool than anything useful but I have the problem that in the same areas little rectangles are drawn around buttons although the effect is switched off.
[16:47] <juan__> hola
[16:47] <jpedroza> hey juan__
[16:47] <tomsdale> !es | juan__
[17:17] <France1159> hello everyone
[17:23] <SeanTater> Plasma was using 100% of my CPU, so I ran "killall plasma" since "kquitapp plasma" wouldn't work
[17:23] <SeanTater> Now my screen is black, except for a yakuake terminal
[17:23] <SeanTater> So how do I get back to a login screen?
[17:24] <Peace-konversati> SeanTater: alt f2
[17:24] <Peace-konversati> SeanTater: plasma
[17:25] <Peace-konversati> in other words execute : plasma
[17:26] <SeanTater> So that's it? I can just start plasma like that again? Cool!
[17:26] <SeanTater> I thought the only way to get it back would be to log back in again
[17:26] <SeanTater> Thanks!
[17:36] <ncfi1013> what is the key combination/hotkeys for turning off slowkeys?
[17:38] <RProgrammer> ncfi1013: Look at System Settings -> Accessibility
[17:39] <ncfi1013> RProgrammer good idead so simple i didnt even think about it
[17:40] <RProgrammer> Like me and not realizing configuring the keyboard shortcuts would be in System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse
[17:43] <RProgrammer> Does anyone know offhand if the computer's name is recorded anywhere but the 'hostname'?
[17:44] <ncfi1013> RProgrammer: ok so what i did was system settings>accessibility>activation gestures tab and unchecked the "use gestures for activating sticky keys and slow keys" option and pressed apply.
[17:45] <ncfi1013> will that do what i want it to if i use a wireless keyboard?
[17:46] <RProgrammer> Do you want slowkeys turned on?
[17:46] <ncfi1013> no turned off
[17:48] <RProgrammer> Then uncheck "Use slow keys" under "Keyboard Filters" and "Use gestures for activating sticky keys and slow keys" under "Activation Gestures" then hit "Apply"
[17:49] <ncfi1013> done
[17:49] <RProgrammer> That's what you want
[17:50] <coz_> hey guys   I notice in kde  that the standard keyboard shortcut for home is  alt+home  but it doens  work nor   does changing tht keybinding  seem to work
[17:50] <coz_> any suggestions?
[17:51] <RProgrammer> In my experience, changing keybindings for certain actions is incredibly finicky and can require many reboots (especially for window manager actions), so you might try logging out and back in
[17:51] <ncfi1013> it was already like that i guess but the wireless keyboard just wont work after everything ive tried: changing batteries, pressing shift for 30 seconds, etc.
[17:51] <RProgrammer> But in all cases it usually doesn't change it for running apps
[17:51] <coz_> RProgrammer,   I will  try that but it origianlly didnt work with alt+home  but let me try
[17:51] <RProgrammer> ncfi1013: So it doesn't work at all?
[17:52] <ncfi1013> yes and this isnt the first time ive tried
[17:55] <RProgrammer> This has nothing to do with slowkeys, this is a linux driver issue
[17:55] <RProgrammer> Open a terminal as root and run the command 'showkey'
[17:55] <RProgrammer> Then type on the keyboard when it's all connected (wirelessly) and see if anything happens on the terminal
[17:57] <ncfi1013> "Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console" is the result. if i used the wireless keyboard i would not be able to type any of this
[18:04] <RProgrammer> sudo
[18:04] <RProgrammer> "terminal as root"
[18:14] <damian_07> i delete my system tray in KDE 4,1. I can't move him to the right side of  toolbar
[18:15] <damian_07> how i can move system tray to right
[18:15] <damian_07> ?
[18:25] <bleuman> hi i am new user for kubuntu
[18:29] <ubunturos> !hi | bleuman,
[18:30] <bleuman> i need to know more infos about using kubuntu
[18:32] <janek> google.pl
[18:34] <Vermux> what is the recommended partition size for OS? lets say Kubuntu, xp, vista, 08 server etc..?
[18:41] <serdarkahya> hi
[18:43] <serdarkahya> hi from TURKEY, ANTALYA
[18:47] <xPliCt> is there a possibility to use the old kile version on .04?
[18:48] <xPliCt> *9.04
[18:52] <kottlett> hi! will kde 4.2.4 come into the main repository of 9.04 at some time, or will I always need to use the ppa for it?
[18:53] <jemand> Hi all, any suggestions for an colored Laser Printer under Kubuntu?
[18:53] <jemand> small one?
[18:57] <w-heat> hi, I've added the backports PPA as per the instructions at http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2.1, but I'm not getting any option to upgrade to amarok 2.1 - just 3 blocked amarok updates (2:2.0.2)
[19:01] <skafti> problem with k mail sending mail not working
[19:08] <skafti> problem with k mail sending mail not working
[19:11] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[19:11] <demian> ¿?
[19:12] <jussi01> skafti: be a little more verbose, whats the error message, your setup... etc?
[19:12] <demian> alguien q kiera conversar
[19:12] <jussi01> !es
[19:12] <demian> hablas español?
[19:13] <ActionParsnip> !es | demian
[19:13] <jussi01> ActionParsnip: bot has lag...
[19:13] <ActionParsnip> bah
[19:13] <jussi01> or isnt present
[19:13] <skafti> Transport 'Asel.is' is invalid
[19:13] <demian> where areyou from
[19:13] <skafti> this is the error message
[19:13] <ActionParsnip> demian: /join #ubuntu-es
[19:13] <skafti> like i have the wrong smtp server
[19:13] <demian> ok! thank you
[19:14] <skafti> i tryed it on claws mail and it works there
[19:14] <demian> i'm studying english, so i can practise here :P
[19:15] <demian> good bye
[19:15] <skafti> bye
[19:17] <skafti> kmail sending feuture is not working i am able to receve mail but not send i get the error message "Transport 'Asel.is' is invalid" though my smpt settings are correct
[19:18] <skafti> asel.is is my receve server
[19:32] <hubar> how do I install KDE desktop on top of ubuntu 9.04?
[19:32] <hubar> Do I need any specific repository?
[19:32] <hubar> other than the default one...
[19:33] <hubar> Anyone?
[19:33] <Dragnslcr> hubar- you just have to install the kubuntu-desktop package
[19:34] <miglo> hi! I've upgraded to 9.04 and have now a problem with my DSL connection
[19:34] <hubar> Can I say, remove the kde stuff with removing kubuntu-desktop too?
[19:36] <miglo> in 8.10 it was automatically established but this procedure does not work in 9.04 anymore
[19:36] <Dragnslcr> hubar- I think it's a bit more than that, but it's definitely possible
[19:36] <Tm_T> hubar: no, removing kubuntu-desktop removes nothing but that package alone (which contains nothing)
[19:36] <hubar> Tm_T, then how do I remove it?
[19:36] <miglo> so I have to establish it manually with "poff; pon dsl-provider"  :-(
[19:37] <Dragnslcr> !puregnome | hubar
[19:37] <hubar> ahhaa I see
[19:38] <w-heat> anyone have any idea why amarok 2.1 isn't in my upgrades list?
[19:38] <hubar> thanks!
[19:39] <valgaav> w-heat: maybe because it's a feature release and not an security or bug fix  release
[19:40] <valekk> http://tatanka.com.br/ies4linux
[19:40] <valgaav> will get into karmic but not into janunty that's how it is most likely
[19:40] <JontheEchidna> it might eventually get into -backports
[19:41] <w-heat> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2.1 says: Packages are available for Kubuntu. Users of the Karmic development release can upgrade their Amarok packages. Users of our stable 9.04 release can install it from the Kubuntu Backports PPA.
[19:42] <w-heat> I've added the deb line, but still no upgrade :/
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> w-heat: even after a sudo apt-get update?
[19:43] <w-heat> i've done sudo apt-get update, but it still isn't showing in KPackageKit
[19:45] <DanDan> hello .. I have recently upgraded to Ubuntu 9.04 (amd64) and have a broken packagae ( flashplugin-nonfree ) ..it wont be removed / reinstalled / or deleted by deleting the files manually !!!! .. ANYONE Plz :( !! ..
[19:46] <DanDan> and when I finally found a bug report .. and  i reported it in launchpad and then I get a msg that because I have skipped releases !! the report is not supported !! WTH
[19:49] <skafti> kmail sending feuture is not working i am able to receve mail but not send i get the error message "Transport 'Asel.is' is invalid" though my smpt settings are correct
[19:49] <skafti> asel.is is my receve server
[19:53] <valgaav> DanDan: even with Synaptic or apt-get commandline ?
[19:53] <DanDan> valgaav : NOTHING :( ..
[19:53] <valgaav> that's strange
[19:54] <adasz> my kubuntu is no more updating the system, where is the error?
[19:54] <valgaav> maybe try apt-get --fix-broken ?
[19:54] <valgaav> or
[19:55] <valgaav> apt-get remove --force-yes
[19:55] <valgaav> I'm talking about the flash issue here
[19:56] <DanDan> valgaav : just apt-get remove --force-yes ? without name of flash ?
[19:56] <valgaav> with the name
[19:56] <valgaav> of the package
[19:56] <valgaav> and sudo before :)
[19:57] <DanDan> valgaav : ill try that later i gtg now thnx :)(
[19:57] <valgaav> but anyway if you upgraded from8.04
[19:57] <valgaav> to 9.04
[19:57] <valgaav> you shouldn't do that
[19:58] <valgaav> you shoudl first update to 8.10 then to 9.04
[19:58] <valgaav> more downlaoding but safer
[19:59] <jussi01> !enter | valgaav
[20:07] <PhrkOnLsh> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/06/aseigobrainidle.html <--- ahh plasma kde4 running on an s60
[20:08] <KGant> hi, does anybody know the repository of opera, where I can download opera 10?
[20:08] <PhrkOnLsh> KGant:  http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&ei=phsoSsmfA5DglQeUlOnXBw&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=opera+10+ubuntu&spell=1
[20:09] <miglo> KGant : deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ stable non-free
[20:13] <KGant> thx
[20:34] <sparr> In knetworkmanager I can do New Connection > wlan0 and see a list of wireless networks, then pick one and put in the security key... now that network is listed on the main knetworkmanager menu under wlan0 as (WPA) with decent signal, but absolutely nothing happens (except the menu closing) when I click it to try to connect.
[20:35] <sparr> my first question is...  why do i have wlan0 but not ath0?
[20:37] <vbgunz> when I switch on a dark theme, some webpages just become uglier because the designers forget to color everything. Is there a stylesheet that I can use that'll pretend to be a lighter theme in konqueror?
[21:11] <romullo> hello
[21:11] <romullo> anyone here have installed the amarok 2.1 on kubuntu 9.04?
[21:12] <romullo> the last.fm stuff just gone oO
[21:12] <drvoodoo> romullo: yes i've
[21:13] <sparr> I am trying the KDE 3.5 remix of Kubuntu 9.04 but it doesn't properly configure my wireless network adapter.  Network-Manager is not part of KDE, why did this functionality break?
[21:13] <drvoodoo> is it enabled under settings - internet services?
[21:14] <romullo> drvoodoo: that's the problem.. there is no one service available on settings
[21:14] <romullo> oO
[21:14] <w-heat> I still can't get the amarok 2.1 update to work. Added the deb line and it's just not in the list of available updates :(
[21:15] <drvoodoo> romullo: that's strange. how did you install it. from which ppa or did you compile yourself?
[21:15] <romullo> from ppa
[21:15] <romullo> w-heat: i've to disable some repositories, after that the updates become available
[21:16] <w-heat> ah, which did you disable romullo?
[21:16] <romullo> w-heat: i'll take a look...
[21:16] <w-heat> thank you :)
[21:17] <MetaMorfoziS> Hi all
[21:17] <drvoodoo> romullo, from which ppa did you install amarok2.1?
[21:17] <MetaMorfoziS> Is that possible to hibernate only one program?
[21:17] <romullo> drvoodoo: ppa backports
[21:17] <drvoodoo> ok
[21:18] <w-heat> the only PPA I have listed is backports and it's still not showing up
[21:18] <w-heat> just 3 blocked updates
[21:18] <romullo> w-heat: ppa bogdanb and ppa kubuntu-ppa
[21:18] <MetaMorfoziS> I wan't to store a program's execution state, then start it, like when the whole os does the same
[21:18] <romullo> i disabled these two
[21:18] <drvoodoo> w-heat, what updates are blocked?
[21:18] <drvoodoo> which i mean :D
[21:19] <w-heat> amarok-common-2:2.0.2mysql5.1.30-0ubuntu3, amarok-2:2.0.2mysql5.1.30-0ubuntu3 and amarok-dbg-2:2.0.2mysql5.1.30-0ubuntu3
[21:20] <w-heat> drvoodoo: any ideas?
[21:21] <romullo> drvoodoo: well, i don't know what happened... i think i'll install it again
[21:21] <drvoodoo> ok, 2.0.2 packages are definitly old ones :D
[21:21] <romullo> drvoodoo: thank you =)
[21:21] <w-heat> yeah, quite! shall I remove amarok and see if the new ver is correct?
[21:21] <drvoodoo> no problem
[21:22] <m45h> Hey people
[21:22] <m45h> sorry in the wrong channel
[21:22] <drvoodoo> w-heat: i had the same problem two weeks ago when i had installed a beta of 2.1
[21:23] <m45h> which IRC channel is for Ubuntu deksotp anyone know
[21:23] <w-heat> drvoodoo: did removing + reinstalling fix?
[21:24] <drvoodoo> sorry, i don't remember  any more. but you can try it
[21:28] <w-heat> haha - worked - thanks drvoodoo :)
[21:28] <drvoodoo> great! no problem
[21:35] <Scunizi> why does digicam have a kmail depends?
[21:35] <LuisJa> i need some help here guys, it seems there r some problems with ares with wine: i dont know where it saves the music i saved
[21:35] <amgarchIn9> hi, how can I change the master-password in kwallet?
[21:36] <tsimpson> Scunizi: it doesn't
[21:36] <amgarchIn9> or, rather how do I make wireless applet not to ask for any password at all?
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> !ares
[21:36] <LuisJa> lol
[21:36] <tsimpson> LuisJa: somewhere in ~/.wine
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> LuisJa: ares is just a win32 gnutella client
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> LuisJa: there are native clients for linux
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> !gnutella
[21:37] <Scunizi> tsimpson: well.... when trying to install digikam in gnome it does. :(
[21:37] <LuisJa> tsimpson: not t
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> LuisJa: saves heartache and blood pressure
[21:37] <LuisJa> tru, i already checked in wine, no musik in there
[21:37] <Scunizi> tsimpson: as well as phonon, konqueror and dolphin
[21:37] <tsimpson> Scunizi: there is an indirect suggests, but no depends or recommends
[21:38] <LuisJa> and whats the more similar p2p client to ares?
[21:38] <Scunizi> tsimpson: I should preface this with ubuntu vs. 8.10 not 9.04..
[21:38] <amgarchIn9> LuisJa: find ~/ -name \*.mp3
[21:39] <LoreCaster> hey all, I've got a Canon Imageclass D760... and i cannot find drivers. Who can advise me as to how to get my system to pick it up?
[21:39] <LuisJa> its because i like ares, and ¡t sucks wine cant totally make it works :(
[21:40] <ActionParsnip> LuisJa: see above
[21:40] <LuisJa> if i use those, i will have the exact same results in the search than in ares?
[21:40] <ActionParsnip> LuisJa: can't see why not
[21:41] <LuisJa> what u r triying to tell me is than those programs can acces ares net, so if I search a daddy yankee song, and i got 500 results in ares, and if i search the same, i will have the same 500 results?
[21:42] <LuisJa> in the linux native*
[21:42] <ActionParsnip> LuisJa: yes, its a client for the same network using the same protocol
[21:43] <LuisJa> oh LOL nice
[21:43] <LoreCaster> :( can no one help me?
[21:43] <ActionParsnip> LoreCaster: let me websearch
[21:43] <LoreCaster> thanks ActionParsnip
[21:43] <LuisJa> but whats the better ares based program for linux than u can recommend me?
[21:43] <LuisJa> the best one u know from those
[21:45] <DaSkreech> adasz: hello
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> LoreCaster: i can't find anything at all. Canon arent overly friendly with Linux, unlike HP
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> LuisJa: there is no best, try them all see which you prefer
[21:48] <LoreCaster> -tear- where does that leave me ActionParsnip?
[21:49] <LoreCaster> ActionParsnip: my brother gave me the machine, the d760, and it's only problem is a blown fuse... i'd HATE to have to revert to winblows in order to get such a sweet printer to work.
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> LoreCaster: you could share it with a win pc. Maybe you could hasstle canon for support
[21:50] <LoreCaster> if they don't offer it, i figure i won't get any help at all. hasstle or none.
[21:50] <LoreCaster> i don't -have- a windows PC readily accessable...
[21:50] <LoreCaster> and wine doesn't help, nor does vbox.
[21:50] <Scunizi> tsimpson: here's a shot of the depends list when installing on gnome.. the list for suggests and recommends is short http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/9228/5363342
[21:50]  * LoreCaster is frustrated :P
[21:51] <LoreCaster> i can't find any drivers for my HP PhotoSmart R742 camera either.
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> LoreCaster: wine and vbox use the host resources, if the printer isnt configured it will not be available as a resource
[21:51] <LoreCaster> as i said :(
[21:51] <tsimpson> Scunizi: bad link
[21:52] <LuisJa> thx a lot ActionParsnip
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> LoreCaster: if you attatch it, you may find its just a disk in the output of: sudo fdisk -l
[21:52] <scherfa> Hello, i tried to install amarok 2.1 but ic could not update on my 64bit jaunty .. are the packages ok?
[21:52] <Scunizi> tsimpson: try this one. http://yfrog.com/5953633421p
[21:52] <LoreCaster> ActionParsnip: what am i looking for now?
[21:53] <ActionParsnip> LoreCaster: you will see your internal devices and one will be smaller and most likely a single partition
[21:53] <LoreCaster> ActionParsnip: in places; computer... i only see my storage partition, my filesystem partition and my optical...
[21:54] <ActionParsnip> LoreCaster: sudo fdisk -l  is a konsole command
[21:54] <LoreCaster> i know, i hopped in there... i see sda 1, 2, 3, and 5... linux, extended, HPFS/NTFS and linux swqp
[21:54] <LoreCaster> is the HPFS the HP camera? if so, how do i access sda3?
[21:55] <ActionParsnip> LoreCaster: you need to mount it
[21:55] <tsimpson> Scunizi: it's not loading
[21:55] <ActionParsnip> !mount > LoreCaster
[21:55] <Scunizi> tsimpson: loads fine here..
[21:55] <ActionParsnip> LoreCaster: you may find digikam picks it up nicely too ;)
[21:55] <ActionParsnip> !info digikam
[21:56] <LoreCaster> using gnome :)
[21:56] <lovre> !gnome
[21:56] <Scunizi> ActionParsnip: did you look at the link.. one of the depends is kmail
[21:56] <ActionParsnip> LoreCaster: the gtkam may see it
[21:57] <LoreCaster> installing gtkam now
[21:57] <ActionParsnip> Scunizi: what is that a result of?
[21:57] <tsimpson> Scunizi: it's very-very slow
[21:57] <tsimpson> Scunizi: still waiting for the image
[21:57] <LoreCaster> are there any extensions or such that i can download for linux that -may- allow me to just print? nothing fancy? on my canon
[21:57] <Scunizi> ActionParsnip: that's the list of depends when I tag digikam for install on ubuntu 8.10 gnome.
[21:58] <ActionParsnip> Scunizi: yep because it may be a dep of one of the apps thet are in kde stuff
[21:58] <Scunizi> tsimpson: came up here almost instantly.  Here's a complete link from the original that got truncated. http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/9228/53633421.png
[21:59] <ActionParsnip> Scunizi: maybe digikam has an email feature which uses kmail
[21:59] <ActionParsnip> Scunizi: etc
[21:59] <LoreCaster> ActionParsnip: it's not detecting my R742... it's detecting an M407, and even THEN it's getting an error
[21:59] <LuisJa> ActionParsnip: one question, why either frostwire or limewire r  not on the repositories?
[21:59] <ActionParsnip> !limewire
[21:59] <Scunizi> ActionParsnip: I guess.. but still you'd think it might link to Evolution if that was the case.. as in the "system default".
[22:00] <LuisJa> ok lol, i think i will try frost
[22:00] <ActionParsnip> Scunizi: i guess, its a dep anyhoo. I guess you gotta suck it up
[22:00] <LoreCaster> AHH!!! GOT THE CAMERA!!!
[22:00] <ActionParsnip> LoreCaster: nice
[22:00] <ActionParsnip> LoreCaster: feels good doesnt it :)
[22:01] <LoreCaster> spent 3 weeks pounding my face off a wall to get where i AM with linux... and i like to think that i'm half-way proficient now... lol. but drivers are always the dog of it all.
[22:01] <Scunizi> ActionParsnip: I'll stick with fspot as much as I have a love/hate relationship with it. and I don't like installing picassa because I prefer not to have wine on my system.
[22:01] <LoreCaster> i need wine, that's the worst part... i need to use AUTOCAD for my work (engineering)... and vbox is just... no.
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> Scunizi: you could take the storage out if you can and jam it in a card reader
[22:02] <Zengol> How would i get Adept to quit telling me to upgrade to 9.04?
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> LoreCaster: use this guide for wine: http://www.winehq.org/download/deb
[22:02] <Scunizi> ActionParsnip: not sure what you mean by that...
[22:03] <LoreCaster> i practically live on WINEhq :) no worries... the probelm is CAD, not wine. it's a heavy 3D rendering tool...
[22:03] <ActionParsnip> Scunizi: if you can, remove the memory from the cam then use a card reader, the thing will ten be a simple partition
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> !cad
[22:04] <Scunizi> ActionParsnip: you might be wanting that comment to go the the person with the HP camera.. I don't have an issue with a camera.  I always remove the card and use a reader..
[22:06] <ActionParsnip> that too
[22:06] <ActionParsnip> big brother is rotting my brain
[22:06] <tsimpson> Scunizi: you'll need to use "sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends digikam" to stop apt installing the recommended packages
[22:07] <tsimpson> Scunizi: it's kipi-plugins that recommends kmail, so if you want the plugins you should use the --no-install-recommends option when installing that too
[22:07] <DaSkreech> LoreCaster: Welcome to Linux and Kubuntu :)
[22:08] <LoreCaster> I love linux... i don't nkow if i could go back to windows now... it's been nearly 2 months... and i prefer Gnome, all the same.
[22:08] <DaSkreech> Zengol: There shuld be an option in the config somewhere >_>
[22:08] <LoreCaster> KDE is a performance-drain. i'm all about those precious half-seconds ;)
[22:08] <Scunizi> tsimpson: ah.. ok.. will digikam actually work without the depends?
[22:10] <ActionParsnip> LoreCaster: then install LXDE or Fluxbox or XFCE or flwm
[22:10] <ActionParsnip> LoreCaster: they are lighter than gnome and run faster
[22:11] <LoreCaster> REALLY?! :D
[22:11] <ActionParsnip> yeah totally. I use LXDE for that reason
[22:11] <ActionParsnip> !info lxde
[22:11] <DaSkreech> !fluxbox | LoreCaster
[22:11] <DaSkreech> !fluxbuntu
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> LoreCaster: http://lxde.org/sites/default/files/images/desktop_full.preview.png
[22:12] <LoreCaster> All the same, i may stick with Gnome... but i'll read more into these. I like the gnome interface. I'm getting a quad-core 2.2ghz machine with 4gb of 800mhz ram...
[22:12] <LoreCaster> -shivers- can't wait.
[22:13] <ActionParsnip> LoreCaster: you can stil use gnome apps, just a different frontend
[22:14] <LoreCaster> so... all things considered... what is the FASTEST gnome-built front-end? i'm sure there's much debate... but i want to squeeze every iota out of this system
[22:14] <tsimpson> Scunizi: yes, it's not a dependency, just an enhancement
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> LoreCaster: flwm imho
[22:14] <LoreCaster> oh yeah?
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> LoreCaster: its damn fast but in no way pretty and not easy for new users, some people swear by it
[22:15] <ActionParsnip> !info flwm
[22:15] <LoreCaster> not after pretty. :)
[22:15] <LoreCaster> hmmmmmm... should install that one on this box and see how it runs, before i get my monster :D
[22:16] <ActionParsnip> LoreCaster: could try a vbox to test
[22:16] <LoreCaster> if it's only a shell, couldn't i install it and leave it in the switcher?
[22:17] <LoreCaster> destroying this partition in a few days anyway
[22:17] <ActionParsnip> LoreCaster: its a DE, you can instal it and test later
[22:17] <LoreCaster> DE? desktop environment... so i can switch at login?
[22:18] <LuisJa> ActionParsnip: i tried installing frostwire and limewire with PKPackagekit, and it says a unknown error happened, i also tried looking for my song in gtk, but 0 results, when thats impossible, because its a daddy yankee song lol
[22:18] <ActionParsnip> LuisJa: it beyond my knowledge now. Idont use the gnutela network
[22:19] <LuisJa> oh damn lol, well anyways thx for the help
[22:19] <julio> hello
[22:19] <julio> french ubuntu please
[22:19] <ActionParsnip> could try a different cient maybe
[22:19] <ActionParsnip> !fr
[22:19] <julio> thanks
[22:19] <julio> take care
[22:20] <DaSkreech> LoreCaster: there is only one Gnome built front end ... Gnome
[22:20] <DaSkreech> Well not true you can get Gnome 3 now
[22:20] <DaSkreech> But that's by no means faster
[22:20] <LoreCaster> what i meant is that all my gnome programs will work with it.
[22:21] <LoreCaster> but hey, anything built by gnomes has gotta be solid.
[22:21] <harjot> Guys could anyone help me install madwifi????
[22:21] <ActionParsnip> LoreCaster: you ca ru any app in any DE
[22:21] <LoreCaster> oh!! i thought they were specific... coolies.
[22:21] <DaSkreech> !frostwire | LuisJa
[22:21] <ActionParsnip> harjot: sudo apt-get instal madwifi-tools
[22:21] <DaSkreech> LoreCaster: All your gnome programs will work with whatever you use.
[22:22] <LoreCaster> so... is there any way to run this laser printer? no frills... just to spit out toner-smeared printer?
[22:22] <DaSkreech> This aint Mac :)
[22:22] <harjot> ok ty
[22:23] <harjot> ActionParsnip: Does that install the driver too??
[22:24] <joshjtl> can anyone help me figure out how to disable touchpad while usb mouse is plugged in?
[22:25] <DaSkreech> joshjtl: Hard answer would be HAL rules
[22:25] <pteague> why do i keep getting "malformed url" errors when trying to do stuff locally in konqueror ?
[22:26] <harjot> Guys could anyone help me install madwifi????
[22:27] <ActionParsnip> harjot: madwifi is a driver set, so yes
[22:27] <harjot> so it will install the drivers too???
[22:27] <harjot> not just the ''tools''
[22:29] <harjot> guys
[22:29] <joshjtl> DaSkreech: i have http://fpaste.org/paste/13919 in /etc/udev/rules.d/01-touchpad.rules
[22:30] <joshjtl> and syncliet TouchpadOff=1 ... and =0 works
[22:30] <joshjtl> but plugging in my usb mouse doesnt turn off touchpad
[22:30] <DaSkreech> That looks like it should owrk :-/
[22:35] <ActionParsnip> harjot: its called tools but is a driver set
[22:35] <ActionParsnip> !info madwifi-tools
[22:36] <harjot> it says it isnt under synaptic but thanks anyway cause i just installed an old version i had
[22:36] <meloni3> hello
[22:37] <ActionParsnip> harjot: it will install via apt-get
[22:37] <meloni3> i've a serious problem with kubuntu 9.04: i've just installed it and after working for a few mins the graphic-signal for my monitor is gone suddenly... (had the same prob with the live-cd, but now with installed version too)
[22:37] <ActionParsnip> !hi |  meloni3
[22:38] <ActionParsnip> meloni3: did you md5 check the iso you downloaded? Did you verify the CD once initially booted to?
[22:38] <meloni3> no
[22:38] <ActionParsnip> so you installed the OS without checking the ISO you had was complete and ok
[22:38] <ActionParsnip> I suggest you do this now. The CD you have may be garbaged and therefore useless
[22:39] <ActionParsnip> !md5 | meloni3
[22:39] <meloni3> i'm not sure but i guess that only happens if i activate the extended desktop effects (like transparency)...
[22:40] <coz_> hey guys   I installed  krecipes  but  it   crashes  let me get terminal readd out
[22:40] <meloni3> iso-file is okay
[22:40] <joshjtl> hi folks I'm trying to have my touchpad disable when i plug in my usb mouse... synclient Touchpad=1 works, but having this file in /etc/udev/rules.d/01-touchpad.rules with: http://fpaste.org/paste/13919 doesnt work to disable touchpad when i plug in usb mouse...
[22:40] <meloni3> can i check the cd in windows too?
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> meloni3: you check the cd by booting to it then selecting check cd for defects
[22:41] <meloni3> i know
[22:41] <coz_> http://pastebin.com/m4dcde010
[22:41] <meloni3> i'm pretty sure that the cd is ok, but i'll test it now and come again if it's okay..
[22:46] <harjot_> harjot: ????
[22:46] <harjot_> harjot: are u a real
[22:47]  * ActionParsnip doesnt get why people dont check stuff
[22:48] <LoreCaster> alright... that was wierd... now, i've got my camera figured out... but i really need that printer figured out now. D760 Canon ImageClass... ubuntu 9.04... situation desperate :P
[22:49] <ActionParsnip> LoreCaster: canon dont like linux
[22:51] <nighteagle> Hi everybody
[22:51] <nighteagle> is there a way to make kubuntu (Jaunty) faster, more reactive?
[22:51] <meloni3> hello
[22:51] <LoreCaster> i know, ActionParsnip... but... I am in akind of a bad spot here. I'm not prepared to go back to windows vista or explore windows 7... even XP, though the lesser of all evils... I cannot allow this gifted printer go to waste :(
[22:52] <harjot_> LoreCaster: Well said
[22:52] <LoreCaster> lol
[22:52] <harjot_> canon printer???
[22:52] <ActionParsnip> LoreCaster: then keep digging maybe there is an equiv driver that will fly
[22:52] <harjot_> not pixma??
[22:53] <LoreCaster> the front reads Canon :)
[22:53] <meloni3> i've a severe problem with kubuntu: after working with it for a few mins my graphic-signal is gone suddenly (monitor=black; can't control anythin, no strg-alt-backspace etc.) - does anyone have an idea what could be wrong? (i think it's only when i activate "extended desktop effects"...)
[22:53] <LoreCaster> that's not very encouraging... ActionParsnip:P
[22:53] <LoreCaster> i'll keep nosing around
[22:53] <harjot_> ok il help
[22:54] <ActionParsnip> LoreCaster: its all i can say really. don't you think?
[22:55] <LoreCaster> never said you were hiding anything, but it still doesn't help much. LOL, it's like a tech support who tries for an hour to solve an unfixable problem... not much either of us can do.
[22:55] <LoreCaster> i don't blame you... linux has ALWAYS had a dog of a problem with printers. and the ideal printer for a decent price is not always linux compatable
[22:56] <ActionParsnip> i spend the extra cash to get compatible stuff on purpose
[22:56] <meloni3> does anybody have an idea to my prob?
[22:56] <LoreCaster> ActionParsnip: ... i'm poor. :P
[22:56] <LoreCaster> i cannot help you meloni3... sorry :(
[22:57] <ActionParsnip> meloni3: have you installed video drivers?
[22:57] <meloni3> ActionParsnip: no, how to do this?
[22:57] <ActionParsnip> LoreCaster: old hardware is very compatible ;)
[22:57] <meloni3> my video card is onboard ati x1050
[22:57] <LoreCaster> but not always what i can find, or to suit my needs
[22:57] <harjot_> LoreCaster: anything under cups
[22:57] <harjot_> ?
[22:57] <ActionParsnip> meloni3: what is the output of: lspci | grep -i vga
[22:57] <LoreCaster> you'd think though... that with the linux-revolution in europe... where many government and school systems are abandoning M$... they'd cover linux
[22:58] <harjot_> canon pppimxa mp530 is amazing a fully compatible
[22:58] <ActionParsnip> LoreCaster: its adding pressure to manufacturers but some still refuse
[22:58] <LoreCaster> i was -given- this printer, as i said
[22:58] <meloni3> i'm not in kubuntu at the mom cause it doesn't work for a long time, i think the output is "..ati x1250.." but it's wrong, it's x1050
[22:58] <harjot_> yaa
[22:58] <ActionParsnip> meloni3: its what ubuntu sees it as, not what you think it is
[22:59] <meloni3> ActionParsnip: it there an ati-driver in the repo?
[22:59] <ActionParsnip> !ati
[22:59] <meloni3> so u think a proper driver would help?
[22:59] <ActionParsnip> meloni3: well yeah, they will help greatly
[22:59] <meloni3> ok i'll see, thank you!
[23:00] <harjot_> LoreCaster: i may have found a solution
[23:00] <LoreCaster> :o
[23:00] <meloni3> will boot kubuntu now and tell u what lspci | grep -i vga says
[23:00] <harjot_> LoreCaster: i tell u when im ready [im a sloow 12 year old]
[23:01] <harjot_> Lore
[23:01] <harjot_> caster
[23:01] <harjot_> ive lost the solution
[23:01] <LoreCaster> what leads did you get if any, how did you go about losing it?
[23:02] <lovre> how can i generate a sound in console? a beep or something, just to check if sound i sok?
[23:03] <harjot_> i kind of messed my keyboard
[23:03] <ActionParsnip> lovre: mplayer will play music from console
[23:04] <lovre> ActionParsnip: how to make alsa default?
[23:04] <harjot_> i did the sort of search for canon d700 imageclass linux drivers
[23:04] <LoreCaster> http://www.canon-europe.com/Support/software/linux/ best lead i could find... feels like a dead end nonetheless
[23:04] <ActionParsnip> !sound > lovre
[23:06] <ign0ramus> lovre, something like "mplayer /usr/share/sounds/k3b_success1.wav" should do it
[23:06] <lovre> ign0ramus: ok, thy
[23:06] <lovre> ign0ramus: ty
[23:06] <ign0ramus> lovre, np
[23:06] <KDesk> What options do I need and which don't, in the kernel config to have KMS with intel? Or does any one know a deb kernel with KMS support already build?
[23:10] <meloni3> hello
[23:11] <meloni3> so the output of lspci | grep -i vga is "VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS482 [Radeon Xpress 200]"
[23:11] <meloni3> which driver should i install?
[23:11] <meloni3> !ati
[23:13] <LoreCaster> i-sensys
[23:13] <LoreCaster> but WHICH?
[23:15] <meloni3> xorg-driver-fglrx; is this the right one?
[23:22] <DanDan> valgaav .. I got no luck
[23:22] <cherva> is there a development repo from where I can get QT version 4.5.2 for kubuntu ?
[23:25] <tsimpson> cherva: 4.5.2 is not out yet
[23:26] <jimmy51_home> hello, i have a few files i'd like to compress in a ZIP with password to send to a windows user (who has winzip).  what's the best way to do that in Kubuntu?
[23:26] <golasgaiolas> Hello, er.... I'm noob with kubuntu. When I install software with the package manager where is the software folder created??
[23:27] <ign0ramus> golasgaiolas, there isn't a single folder for apps - the files go to appropriate places in your filesystem
[23:27] <cherva> tsimpson: it is I just don't have the CPU power to compile it under 8 houers for both debug and release . here is the GIT for it http://qt.gitorious.org/qt
[23:27] <ign0ramus> golasgaiolas, generally, the executable file will be in /usr/ somewhere (often /usr/bin/)
[23:27] <Fohn> So does anyone have any idea how to make a key supported by Qt? I run amarok in my otherwise GNOME desktop, and with the old version I could use the 'music' key on my keyboard to toggle the amarok main window. However, now when I try to enter this key as a shortcut for the same function in the new, upgraded version of amarok, I get the response "The key you just pressed isn't supported by Qt." Any help would be appreciated.
[23:27] <jimmy51_home> golasgaiolas: it depends on the package.  they install wherever they're supposed to.  there should be a shortcut on the K menu after installing though
[23:27] <tsimpson> cherva: we don't package git/svn versions
[23:28] <ralmar> OFFTOPIC: Anyone know if the NBA finals are going to be available for live streaming on abc.com, or is it going to be on TV only? Any other good place to watch it online? Thanks
[23:28] <tsimpson> cherva: you could use the PPA feature of launchpad.net to do it
[23:28] <golasgaiolas> I ask because I want to install some software by my self, and I would like to put the software where it should be
[23:28] <tsimpson> cherva: but you'd need to know how to create debian/ubuntu packages
[23:29] <cherva> tsimpson: I don't want to package it ... I want to install it
[23:29] <ign0ramus> golasgaiolas, if you're compiling, you can set a prefix to set install location
[23:29] <tsimpson> golasgaiolas: you're thinking in windows terms, there is no one folder for software, different parts are spread out over the filesystem
[23:29] <tsimpson> golasgaiolas: the place most/all executables go is under /usr/bin
[23:30] <tsimpson> cherva: you need to compile it to install it then
[23:30] <golasgaiolas> It is not about Microsoft or non-Microsoft, it's about organization :)
[23:31] <tsimpson> golasgaiolas: windows and linux have different standards on these things
[23:31] <ign0ramus> golasgaiolas, it actually is pretty organized... if you understand the archetypal Linux filesystem, it actually makes sense
[23:31] <meloni3_1> hello
[23:31] <tsimpson> in windows you'll have C:\Program Files\Application, in linux it's all over the place
[23:32] <cherva> tsimpson: that is what I tried to avoid because it will take a really long time ........
[23:32] <meloni3_1> after i installed xorg-drivers-fglrx kubuntu doesn't work anymore at all. i can see the login-screen half, half is black after booting...
[23:32] <ign0ramus> tsimpson, while true, you'll still most likely have files in %appdata% and strewn about the registry as well...
[23:32] <tsimpson> cherva: what software are you installing? most will have an installer
[23:32] <golasgaiolas> for example, I want to install an open-source c++ library, where should I install .so files?
[23:33] <tsimpson> golasgaiolas: /usr/lib or /usr/local/lib
[23:33] <golasgaiolas> ty
[23:33] <tsimpson> cherva: ignore my last question, :)
[23:33] <cherva> tsimpson: :) k
[23:34] <Fohn> So does anyone have any idea how to make a key supported by Qt? I run amarok in my otherwise GNOME desktop, and with the old version I could use the 'music' key on my keyboard to toggle the amarok main window. However, now when I try to enter this key as a shortcut for the same function in the new, upgraded version of amarok, I get the response "The key you just pressed isn't supported by Qt." Any help would be appreciated.
[23:35] <golasgaiolas> By the way, what does "install" mean in Linux terms? For example, If I install firefox browser, what files are created and where? Is it just a simple binary file?
[23:35] <tsimpson> Fohn: maybe ask in #amarok
[23:35] <ign0ramus> Fohn, this may or may not help, too https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/332495
[23:36] <tsimpson> golasgaiolas: to install something is to put the different files where the system/application expects them to be
[23:36] <golasgaiolas> tsimpson, what is the system/application?
[23:37] <LoreCaster> :| I may have to revert back to winblows :(
[23:37] <tsimpson> golasgaiolas: the system expects certain types of files in certain places, the application you install may also expect certain types of files in certain locations
[23:37] <ign0ramus> golasgaiolas, if installing a .deb package, generally the binary goes to /usr/bin, config files often go in ~ , and libraries go in /usr/lib, and so on
[23:37] <LoreCaster> i don't know if there's any hope of figuring out this driver problem
[23:37] <tsimpson> ign0ramus: nothing in a .deb goes in ~/
[23:38] <golasgaiolas> I see
[23:38] <tsimpson> config goes in /etc (Editable Text Configuration)
[23:38] <ign0ramus> tsimpson, if he were to install a firefox package, would it not place files in ~/.mozilla ?
[23:38] <harjot_> where is the kubuntu login script???
[23:39] <tsimpson> ign0ramus: no, firefox itself write files to ~/.mozilla when it's run, but the .deb does nothing there
[23:39] <jimmy51_home> i want to zip two files with encryption, requiring a password when i email it to a windows users
[23:39] <tsimpson> golasgaiolas: have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard#Directory_structure
[23:39] <jimmy51_home> i ran "zip -e ./myarchive.zip ./file1.jpg ./file2.jpg"
[23:39] <jimmy51_home> it made a zip file, but i don't think it's compressed at all and it doesn't require a password
[23:39] <harjot_> where is the kubuntu login script???
[23:39] <ign0ramus> tsimpson, i did not know that.  so if firefox were installed but not run, no associated files would exist in ~ ?  is that correct?
[23:39] <golasgaiolas> Sorry for so many questions, but if I install some software (for example, a game), how can I create a shortcut in kickoff application launcher?
[23:40] <tsimpson> ign0ramus: correct
[23:40] <ign0ramus> tsimpson, learning is truly a life-long task :)
[23:40] <tsimpson> golasgaiolas: using standard .desktop files
[23:40] <harjot> guys kubuntu login script is where????????????????????
[23:40] <golasgaiolas> tsimpson, ty!!
[23:41] <tsimpson> golasgaiolas: have a look at the files under /usr/share/applications
[23:41] <tsimpson> harjot: /usr/bin/startkde
[23:41] <harjot> ty
[23:42] <golasgaiolas> tsimpson, ok!
[23:42] <Neon_> how do you install gpg keys to verify updates?
[23:42] <Neon_> I can't seem to save them to a document that kpackagekit can recognize
[23:43] <ign0ramus> Neon_, https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA#Adding%20a%20PPA%20to%20your%20Ubuntu%20repositories
[23:43] <harjot> tsimpson: wrong script
[23:43] <julio> french ubuntu please
[23:44] <ign0ramus> !fr | julio
[23:44] <tsimpson> harjot: what are you looking for specifically?
[23:44] <harjot> when u logon, i want it to add the lines
[23:44] <harjot>   export PSPDEV=/usr/local/pspdev
[23:44] <harjot>   export PATH=$PATH:$PSPDEV/bin
[23:45] <harjot> tsimpson: u know what im looking 4 eyet???
[23:46] <golasgaiolas> tsimpson, I can't find .desktop file, where can I?
[23:46] <tsimpson> harjot: make a script under ~/.kde/env/
[23:46] <tsimpson> golasgaiolas: it's <application>.desktop, there are many in /usr/share/applications
[23:47] <golasgaiolas> oh
[23:47] <harjot> what will that do??? its not a script, just lines i need to add thst will be autmatically follow export paths
[23:47] <golasgaiolas> tsimpson, ty
[23:47] <tsimpson> harjot: KDE will look at any files in that directory and source them
[23:48] <ign0ramus> harjot, you can also add scripts to ~/.kde/env/ in System Settings > Autostart
[23:49] <tsimpson> that's probably the easiest way
[23:49] <harjot> ok ty i try
[23:49] <ign0ramus> harjot, but you have to make it a script, not just a text file
[23:53] <michael-tv> hey
[23:53] <michael-tv> what up
[23:53] <harjot> ok & how do i make a script
[23:54] <harjot> ok im trying to install psp toolchain thats why
[23:56] <harjot> how do i do psp toolchain???
[23:56] <tsimpson> harjot: start the file with the line "#!/bin/bash", make sure it ends with .sh and make the file executable
[23:56] <harjot> ok
[23:56] <ign0ramus> harjot, read up on bash/shell scripts... but something like this is what youre looking for http://paste.ubuntu.com/188640/
[23:56] <harjot> are u sure this works
[23:57] <tsimpson> harjot: we already use it for GTK themeing
[23:57] <harjot> THANKS FOR THE PASTEBIN REALLY NOCE OF U
[23:58] <ign0ramus> harjot, np, but i think you should research before you just copy and paste scripts... but if your commands above work, this will work for you
[23:59] <harjot> #!/bin/bash
[23:59] <harjot> #Export PSP Path
[23:59] <harjot> export PSPDEV=/usr/local/pspdev
[23:59] <harjot> export PATH=$PATH:$PSPDEV/bin
[23:59] <harjot> oopps sorry
[23:59]  * ign0ramus facepalms