/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/06/04/#ubuntu-kernel.txt

StevenKHi, can I bleat at someone to update LBM so that -5 can be removed from Karmic, and to also update linux-meta so that -7 can be removed from Karmic? No fair having 4 different versions of the kernel in the archive.10:57
smbStevenK, meta proably just waits for me to upload10:58
smbapw, have you got a new lbm?10:58
StevenKLast person to touch LBM was rtg10:59
apwsmb, no i'll have a look now10:59
smbLook like it. 10:59
apwi presume all i need to do is change the abi number10:59
smbProbably just needs the abi version bump and be done10:59
smbapw, ack10:59
apwwill give that poke now10:59
apwthen we can upload that, and meta11:00
apwwe like having lots of kernels in the archive, makes its nice a full11:00
smbapw, poke me with that11:00
apwwill do11:00
smbapw, btw. got a jaunty-pre-proposed ppa set up now. So someone needs the Jaunty with all the stable updates now can do so11:02
* StevenK grumbles at apw11:02
apwsmb, sounds good11:02
smbhttps://launchpad.net/~stefan-bader-canonical/+archive/jaunty11:02
apwsmb, ok seems rtg didn't push his changes for lbm, will reconstruct11:03
smbapw, Oh dear. Well I am away for an hour anyway... ;-)11:04
apw_thanks_11:04
lamontJun  3 12:08:09 foo kernel: [482756.764829] [drm:i915_getparam] *ERROR* Unknown parameter 6 13:57
lamontwassat? ^^13:58
smblamont, something asking the i915 driver an inappropriate question14:05
lamontheh14:05
lamontok14:05
smbIts from i915_getparam. It return EINVAL but prints also this msg. I'd say forgotten debug code or so.14:06
apwfrom discussions with bryce it seems to be a benign missmatch between the kernel and mesa14:35
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Notch-1hi all18:04
Notch-1news about CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP ?18:04
nigelpapw, the mainline kernel you pointed me to is a huge improvement.. not had a single kernel panic since I installed it this morning.18:07
Notch-1so there is somebody in there, hello nigelp :D18:13
Notch-1guyyyyyys? how can we talk with you if you do not reply on the channel nor on the mailing list?19:14
Notch-1(nor on launchpad)19:14
manjoNotch-1, what help are you looking for ? 19:48
Notch-1oh thank you manjo, i'm so desperate, there is this problem with CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=y19:55
manjoNotch-1, which kernel ? jaunty/karmic ?19:56
Notch-1all loop-aes module users need CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=m or better =n, instead we need to recompile the kernel every update to use the loop module (that i use for the root filesystem, for instance)19:56
Notch-1since jaunty19:56
manjoNotch-1, let me look at the config... did u mail the ubuntu kernel list about it ? Most ppl were out last week for UDS so everyone is just catching up on backlog of mail19:58
manjoNotch-1, your requirement looks fair, let me see if that can be resolved...20:00
mjg59Notch-1: The issue was brought up on the mailing list, and a kernel dev asked why this code wasn't just upstream20:01
mjg59I didn't see a response to that question20:01
Notch-1yeah, i know, but is on launchpad since 3 month, and it's really difficult to talk to you guys :D anyway there is already a post: http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20090524.121638.72482e0d.en.html20:01
mjg59Notch-1: Right. Amit then asked why it wasn't upstream.20:01
mjg59And nobody replied to him20:02
Notch-1mjg59: yes, i talk to them, i'm about to search info to answer on that question, but our question is different, it was just a second question...20:02
Notch-1talked to him, sorry :P20:02
smbIt's already late, so I hopefully don't sound too grumpy. If I understood the things correctly you need loop to be a module to replace it with another module?20:03
mjg59Notch-1: The answer is likely to be "It's not a priority to support out of tree kernel modules"20:03
Notch-1i don't know why loop-aes is not upstream, i just know that many people use it20:03
Notch-1yes but this configuration change is a big deal to us, and it's very simple to get back...20:04
mjg59The main reason to build the loop module in is that it can't be easily autoloaded20:04
smbThe change was also to reduce module loads in favour of boot speed20:05
Notch-1as i told to amitk i think that some peoples just don't like loop-aes and jari ruusu (his creator), i've got strange comments to them on some channel...20:05
Notch-1yes, but we can't use a new custom module instead of loop20:06
mjg59Notch-1: So?20:07
mjg59Notch-1: Every configuration change is a tradeoff between different usecases20:07
Notch-1so we need to recompile the whole kernel every update, to use a module20:08
mjg59The aim isn't to break loop-aes, the aim is to reduce complexity, ensure that loopback devices are always available and slightly increase boot speed20:08
smbIf aes-loop completely replaces loop I wonder why it isn't a completely separate module. But maybe I did not understand that correctly20:08
Notch-1yes but this change cutts off many people, and what is the time advantage? 1/100 sec?20:08
mjg59Anyway, Fedora is configured in exactly the same way now20:09
mjg59loop-aes should either stop conflicting with standard kernel functionality or get merged upstream20:09
Notch-1smb: i don't know this, but i suggest to set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP to n and force anybody who needs the loop module to just install loop-aes... so more boot speed, and less throubles for everybody20:10
smbJust to put off all users of the standard loop device?20:11
Notch-1mjg59: you are right, but i'm just a user... and now i can't upgrade to jaunty....20:11
mjg59Oh, right, I remember20:11
Notch-1smb: with loop-aes they don't need the original loop module anymore...20:11
mjg59Jari refuses to submit it upstream because he thinks the kernel developers are inept20:11
Notch-1so only who needs loop gets the less boot speed... seems best for all20:12
Notch-1mjg59: hahahahaha :D20:12
smbBut it would require all to get aes-loop instead of having the in-kernel one. 20:12
Notch-1so it's personal, as i tought20:12
mjg59Notch-1: No. That's why it's not upstream.20:12
mjg59Notch-1: I should point out that I'm not an Ubuntu kernel developer20:12
Notch-1smb: yes, but it's better to recompile the kernel every update20:12
smbI am with mjg59 here. It should get upstreamed or stop being a conflicting module20:13
mjg59But if you filed this against Fedora I'd close it WONTFIX20:13
Notch-1smb: me too20:13
Notch-1but you guys should stop conflicting :D20:13
mjg59Notch-1: Uh. The project outside the kernel gets to avoid conflicting with the kernel.20:14
mjg59Not the other way around.20:14
Notch-1anybody should do his part :D20:14
Notch-1with this system now me, a user, need to talk to the creator of a package that i need to convince him to get his module upstrem... it does not sounds right20:15
mjg59Notch-1: No, that's exactly how it should be20:15
Notch-1:D20:16
mjg59Notch-1: If the developer of that external code refuses to work with the upstream kernel developers then it's his fault that users end up unhappy20:16
Notch-1sure, easy20:16
mjg59So the issue here is Jari20:16
Notch-1or you should let us load any module without throubles, even if with a microsecond of boot delay20:17
mjg59He needs to either change loop-aes so that it doesn't conflict with loop, or he needs to get his code upstream20:17
Notch-1the issue is that your new configuration does not allow me to load a custom module20:17
Notch-1the kernel HAS to allow anybodys code without throubles, that's democracy20:17
mjg59Notch-1: The kernel isn't a democracy20:17
mjg59Notch-1: It's better - if someone does something you don't like, then you get to change it as much as you want20:18
Notch-1mjg59: so that's why it does not work :D20:18
Notch-1the road it's not so easy if you change the configuration like this :D20:18
manjoNotch-1, I think for now you are stuck recompiling the kernel 20:19
Notch-1manjo: me too :°20:19
Notch-1congrats guys, a very clean and usable system...20:20
Notch-1linus would be proud :D20:20
mjg59Linus would ask you why the code's not upstream20:22
Notch-1:D20:23
Notch-1still being proud of you :D20:23
Notch-1anyway the loop-aes-source package description still says "It can be used with module-assistant, make-kpkg or stand-alone to build loop-AES module packages."...20:29
mjg59Notch-1: That sounds like a bug in the loop-aes-source package20:29
Notch-1yes, with this configuration now this is a bug20:29
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