=== asac_ is now known as asac [09:10] hi [10:14] yop [10:30] fta: where was the announcement that linux should be ready in 6 month for chrome? [10:32] asac, hm.. [10:45] asac, can't find it [10:47] asac, why do you need that? [10:51] fta: for the browser spec [10:51] ;) [10:51] fta: e.g. the summary of the discussion we had in the general browser session [10:53] fta: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Karmic/Browsers [10:55] asac, http://techreport.com/discussions.x/16206 [10:56] thx [11:44] fta: any coments on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Karmic/Browsers now? [11:47] it's not 4GB unpacked, it's 1.2G if you remove the svn stuff [11:47] thats the new number, right? ;) [11:48] like you said that bz2 is now 160M not 300 [11:48] -rw-r--r-- 1 fta fta 196405039 2009-06-04 02:25 chromium-browser_3.0.184.0~svn20090604r17576.orig.tar.gz [11:49] that's with ffmpeg-mt [11:49] -rw-r--r-- 1 fta fta 733440000 2009-06-04 02:25 chromium-browser-3.0.184.0~svn20090604r17576-source.tar [11:50] 733M, far from 4G [11:51] good ;) [11:51] fta: so what size is full svn checkout ;)? [11:51] with du [11:53] fta@cube:/data/bot/upstream $ du -sm chromium-browser.svn/ [11:53] 3234 chromium-browser.svn/ [11:54] good. updated [12:00] fta: if you see any other issues with chromium, please add them. that list is probably what should be proposed to chromium devs [12:02] asac, that's ok. [12:03] asac, look at the 1st random quote: http://echelog.matzon.dk/stats/chromium.html [12:04] fta: good. i will think where we can document the upstreamed bugs for third_party libs [12:04] maybe in whiteboard [12:04] or even in spec [12:05] this is for 64bit: http://dev.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/64-bit-support [12:26] * asac lunch === ejat is now known as e-jat [13:50] fta: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Specs/Karmic/Firefox35Transition [14:06] asac, "drop firefox-dev package" i'm not sure about that one. currently, it's empty but should it be? [14:07] "(keep trunk testsuite)" ? [14:07] everything else looks fine [14:20] am i here? [14:20] @time [14:20] !info xulrunner-1.9 [14:20] xulrunner-1.9 (source: xulrunner-1.9): XUL + XPCOM application runner. In component main, is optional. Version 1.9.0.10+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.9.04.1 (jaunty), package size 7371 kB, installed size 20380 kB [14:20] hmm.. odd [14:20] ok [14:21] fta2: good question about firefox-dev .... lets check [14:22] fta2: http://pastebin.com/f1049cfe1 [14:22] those are the idls [14:22] imo they should go into firefox-dev [14:22] (and their headers of course) [14:23] yes, that's what i meant. [14:23] so its upstream not installing them on make install, right [14:23] ? [14:23] it means it's an upstream bug [14:23] yes [14:23] didnt we have a bug for that? [14:23] it's empty since we split ff and xul [14:24] i don't remember any bug # for that [14:24] hmm. wasnt there a upstream bug about firefox sdk pieces or something [14:24] is debian still shipping that -dev? [14:25] i remember that benjamin said he doesnt want that somewhere [14:25] no clue about debian ... but i wouldnt say they are not always a good example to follow ... especially on mozilla stuff [14:25] mozilla 421168 [14:25] Mozilla bug 421168 in Build Config "firefox using --with-libxul-sdk doesn't install .idl/.h on make install" [Normal,Resolved: wontfix] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=421168 [14:25] wontfix [14:30] yeah [14:30] i asked something and documented this bug next to the firefox-dev bullet point in the spec [14:31] excellent === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [14:42] * asac checks some NM stuff ... bbl === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 [15:20] Hi, I can not have firefox open for more than an hour before it crash [15:21] What debugpackages should I install? [15:21] The wikipage is outdated [15:21] askand: the bug page for it is not outdated the packages are for firefox-3.0 [15:22] and you should use apport to file the crashes [15:22] I can not due to bug 314212 [15:22] Launchpad bug 314212 in python-apt "Apport unable to report crash - urlopen error timed out" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314212 [15:23] askand: does it work if you manually try to use apport? my browser is slow atm due to updates [15:24] gnomefreak: no I get the same message, however I can unpack the report but not sure what to do with it after that [15:24] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs#Run%20Firefox%20in%20a%20Debugger is right [15:25] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs#Obtain%20a%20backtrace%20from%20an%20apport%20crash%20report%20(using%20gdb) should help doing debug on crash report [15:25] gnomefreak: xulrunner-1.9-dbgsym is not found in the repos [15:25] Im using Jaunty [15:25] askand: nor is anyother dbg-sym packages [15:25] eh dbgsym [15:26] deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com i left out some of it due to hardy but replace hardy with jaunty [15:27] see the wiki under run firefox in a debugger mode [15:27] * gnomefreak ddbes on wiki while i am here [15:29] not sure if proposed has been introduced into ddebs yet [15:29] it seems to work now at least after adding the repo [15:29] will try to run gdb now [15:29] last time it complained on no debugging symbols found [15:29] askand: ok its loading. please try the dbgsym repos all of the 4 and let me know if proposed ddeb repos work please [15:30] i dont think we have anything in propopsed at this time [15:30] i added main and universe [15:30] ..main and updates [15:31] ill test it a bit later after updates are done. [15:31] no I still got no deugging symbols found [15:31] * gnomefreak be back coffee and smoke [15:35] askand: so did you install all dbgsym packages named on the website? [15:35] asac: yep, last time it didn't install xulrunner-dbg but it did now [15:35] there might still be a few libs that dont have dbg packages, instaled, so as long as you see much less warnings about no debugging symbols stuff should be fine [15:35] askand: is the crash reproducible without extensions? [15:35] it is [15:37] askand: ok. get the debug symbols. and dont forget to file a bug with the instructions on how to reproduce [15:37] ;) [15:37] if others can reproduce they can also get debug information [15:37] asac: there is no way to reproduce really :( [15:38] the crashes is, in all senses of the word , random [15:39] do you get segfaults? [15:39] or bus errors or aborts or something? === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [15:41] no its segfaults [15:41] I think at least [15:41] will check [15:42] is there any useful in the crashfile from apport? [15:42] askand: yeah. so install all dbg packages, and run firefox -g [15:42] to run it in the debugger [15:42] oh [15:42] I ran gdb /usr/lib/firefox-3*/firefox 2>&1 | tee /tmp/gdb-firefox.txt [15:42] note that startup will be significantly smaller than without dbg, but using after startup should be more or less ok (on normal systems)( [15:42] askand: use firefox -g i would say [15:43] askand: if it works and its not on the debugging wiki page, please add it [15:43] where is the logfile stored when runnin firefox -g? [15:45] askand: you can run it with 2>&1 | tee ... [15:45] to get a log [15:46] you can also specify a log file, but i dont know atm ;) [15:46] I get (no debugging symbols found) but that's ok perhaps [15:47] askand: there might still be missing dbg packages, but if you have the most important ones it should at least give you a good snap [15:48] good :) [16:00] ok ddeb for -proposed works in jaunty [16:23] askand: i sent you the diff yesterday since i wasnt here when you got back from lunch. let me know what you think i have a couple of little changes i have to make to it still(firegpg) [16:24] gnomefreak: you mean asac? [16:24] yes sorry [16:24] :) autocomplete [16:25] i saw the diff .... will check it out later [16:25] thanks [16:26] asac: thanks [16:27] mailman needs a reject all option [16:29] yeah ;) [16:29] it could include those nice email things in the summaries [16:29] that would be nifty === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [16:33] * asac running some errands [16:35] asac: any chance of getting enigmail0.96 in repos [16:35] it fixes at least one bug [16:56] jcastro, any success with chromium? [16:57] jcastro, btw, i've pushed an update earlier today, can't find what you were looking for in it o_O [17:00] I didn't see it either, maybe it's not hooked up? [17:01] most probably [17:02] the video tag is not ready either. i have the bits in place now in the packaging, so it will improve as upstream adds more stuff in. [17:05] jcastro, i also provides hi-res icons now, incl a 256x256 icon. can you see it in gnome do? [17:07] fta2: I still see the blurry icon [17:07] hmm [17:07] maybe you need to restart your session or something [17:08] maybe [17:08] I need a new kernel anyway, will try after lunch [17:08] great, please let me know [17:10] going out to meet some friends. cu [18:01] back [18:07] anyone need something from me that cant wait till atleast tomorrow? i have about 30 minutes before i have to get to meeting [18:07] gnomefreak: all fine. enjoy the rest of the daya [18:16] thanks [18:17] i will try to be here friday and monday morning if not i will be gone until the 15th or 16th depending on how my eye heals [18:20] duplicity should really compress all the volume diffs into one for easy import [18:23] all but back-up.2009.18.05 [18:24] back-up.2009.18.05.tar.gz [18:24] is made from dup. here http://pastebin.mozilla.org/655272 not very helpful :( [18:38] seems mercurial needs the python deps to be updated before it ill upgrade [18:39] yep that is exactly it [18:40] maybe not it uses << 2.7 but karmic is on 2.6* [18:46] yes. hg needs support for newer python [18:46] !info mercurial [18:46] mercurial (source: mercurial): scalable distributed version control system. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.2-2ubuntu1 (jaunty), package size 48 kB, installed size 328 kB [18:46] !info mercurial/karmic [18:46] Package mercurialkarmic does not exist in jaunty [18:47] i will have them update bot for karmic as an option [18:47] atleast try anyway [18:49] i sked :) [18:49] Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), python (<< 2.7), python (>= 2.5), python-support (>= 0.7.1), ucf (>= 2.0020), mercurial-common (= 1.1.2-2ubuntu1) [18:50] that looks fine since we are <<2.7 and >=2.5 [18:50] ah it looks like python-support [18:51] no not that either [18:52] ok updated my X bug and filed one on deja-dup [18:52] now to back up [18:54] it seems bot does already do karmic just not in here (not sure of other channels) [18:54] !info merurial karmic [18:54] Package merurial does not exist in karmic [18:54] !info mercurial karmic [18:54] mercurial (source: mercurial): scalable distributed version control system. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.1-3 (karmic), package size 31 kB, installed size 228 kB [18:54] ah it does === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 [19:23] stevel, http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/00-single/mediaplayers.png [19:42] fta: close mashtape and the cpu & memory should go down [19:44] it's not mine === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk === micahg1 is now known as micahg [20:17] stevel, came from there: http://identi.ca/notice/4901494 [20:26] fta: ah. bummer, i'm not on identi.ca [20:27] stevel, http://identi.ca/notice/4922266 [20:27] cool thanks :) [20:30] stevel, when is your next released planed? i haven't updated sb in a long while, some users are becoming nervous for an update [20:37] asac, http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=12562 [20:46] fta: was that fixed in intrepid or jaunty nss? [20:47] well, those are ubuntu binaries produced by google so i assume it's hardy [20:48] then our old debian-style nss [20:49] asac, what happened to your gtk fixes? i want to prepare ia32-libs to ship the missing bits [21:15] fta: 1.2 should be out soon (we just pushed the first beta of it yesterday) - depending on the bug feedback we get.. could be around ~2 weeks [21:22] ok [21:50] asac: hi, regarding the firefoxcrashes earlier, it seems to be related to flash :/ [21:51] asac: http://paste2.org/p/248550 [21:52] guud evening [21:54] You are about to do something potentially harmful. [21:54] To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' [21:56] lol [21:56] new coreutils === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 [22:53] jcastro, in the bm toolbar, right click an entry, then edit, here it is. still limited though [22:54] oh I see [22:56] also when you star an url, there's a dialog now [23:21] fta: / asac: if you're seeking feedback, 3.0.11+build2+nobinonly WFM in hardy and karmic [23:22] excellent, thanks [23:26] odd. i haven't touched pulseaudio in karmic, and performance is horrid :/ [23:26] humm [23:26] horrid how? [23:26] WFM (now) [23:27] even gstream on totem seems fixed [23:28] i have pa chewing cpu [23:31] let me look [23:31] 1 0.04s 0.05s 423.7M 13532K 0 0 0 0 4% pulseaudio [23:31] 2-4% [23:31] is that much? [23:36] that's what it _should_ be [23:37] i'm seeing 19-75% across multiple cores [23:38] C2D here [23:38] $ sudo atop 2 | grep pulse [23:38] 4637 4m43s 6m16s 359.7M 13104K 1596K 164K N- - S 2% pulseaudio [23:38] 4637 0.01s 0.02s 0K 0K 0K 0K -- - S 1% pulseaudio [23:38] 4637 0.03s 0.02s 0K 0K 0K 0K -- - S 2% pulseaudio [23:38] 4637 0.02s 0.02s 0K 0K 0K 0K -- - S 2% pulseaudio [23:38] 4637 0.04s 0.04s 0K 0K 0K 0K -- - S 4% pulseaudio [23:40] PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND [23:40] 6254 fta 20 0 948m 263m 22m R 24 13.1 1024:54 firefox-3.6 [23:40] 20650 fta 20 0 269m 29m 9960 S 7 1.4 84:26.88 rhythmbox [23:40] 25622 fta 9 -11 157m 5904 4744 S 4 0.3 14:34.89 pulseaudio [23:40] 2101 fta 20 0 66804 24m 12m S 2 1.2 0:03.89 chromium-browse [23:41] ff is a pig :( [23:41] commit 44ada1a147fa28ae15b83a031c48fc2b992cc3ef [23:41] ALSA: Enable PCM hw_ptr_jiffies check only in xrun_debug mode / ALSA: Fix invalid jiffies check after pause [23:41] Ubuntu 2.6.30-8.9-generic [23:42] !uname -a [23:42] Sorry, I don't know anything about uname -a [23:42] (from /proc/version_signature) [23:42] Linux blubug 2.6.30-7-generic #8-Ubuntu SMP Mon May 25 13:52:54 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux [23:43] if you can reproduce the symptom in 2.6.30-8.9-generic, i know precisely where the bug is [23:43] we missed a fall-through for the jiffies check [23:47] humm did that got posted? [23:47] 'cause exec of uname always crash my pidgin [23:48] well, your uname was posted, yes [23:49] you're not triggering the bug because the culprit git changeset is in 2.6.30-rc8, not -rc7 (which 2.6.30-7.8-generic is based on) [23:49] yeah [23:49] so I should expect probs on the next kernel updates [23:49] hehe [23:50] it's quite humourous, actually. that changeset is supposed to _fix_ high cpu usage. [23:50] eheh you never let me have audio working akaysish for more then a week, can you ? [23:50] err, i didn't sign off on that patch [23:50] LOLOLOL [23:51] in fact, i was quite hesitant, because it appears the symptoms are only fixed if CONFIG_PREEMPT is enabled [23:51] and guess which kernel config option karmic disables? [23:52] this is nice.. core utils removes mktemp and synaptic alerts me to it [23:54] right, aptitude safe-upgrade ftw [23:55] yep [23:56] since KDE4.3 on karmic [23:56] I began loving aptitude too [23:56] but it wouldn't help me in this case [23:56] removing mktemp is a big NO NO [23:57] BUGabundo, looks safe: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/coreutils/7.4-1 [23:58] checking