[09:10] <asac> hi
[10:14] <fta> yop
[10:30] <asac> fta: where was the announcement that linux should be ready in 6 month for chrome?
[10:32] <fta> asac, hm..
[10:45] <fta> asac, can't find it
[10:47] <fta> asac, why do you need that?
[10:51] <asac> fta: for the browser spec
[10:51] <asac> ;)
[10:51] <asac> fta: e.g. the summary of the discussion we had in the general browser session
[10:53] <asac> fta: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Karmic/Browsers
[10:55] <fta> asac, http://techreport.com/discussions.x/16206
[10:56] <asac> thx
[11:44] <asac> fta: any coments on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Karmic/Browsers now?
[11:47] <fta> it's not 4GB unpacked, it's 1.2G if you remove the svn stuff
[11:47] <asac> thats the new number, right? ;)
[11:48] <asac> like you said that bz2 is now 160M not 300
[11:48] <fta> -rw-r--r-- 1 fta fta 196405039 2009-06-04 02:25 chromium-browser_3.0.184.0~svn20090604r17576.orig.tar.gz
[11:49] <fta> that's with ffmpeg-mt
[11:49] <fta> -rw-r--r-- 1 fta fta 733440000 2009-06-04 02:25 chromium-browser-3.0.184.0~svn20090604r17576-source.tar
[11:50] <fta> 733M, far from 4G
[11:51] <asac> good ;)
[11:51] <asac> fta: so what size is full svn checkout ;)?
[11:51] <asac> with du
[11:53] <fta> fta@cube:/data/bot/upstream $ du -sm chromium-browser.svn/
[11:53] <fta> 3234    chromium-browser.svn/
[11:54] <asac> good. updated
[12:00] <asac> fta: if you see any other issues with chromium, please add them. that list is probably what should be proposed to chromium devs
[12:02] <fta> asac, that's ok.
[12:03] <fta> asac, look at the 1st random quote: http://echelog.matzon.dk/stats/chromium.html
[12:04] <asac> fta: good. i will think where we can document the upstreamed bugs for third_party libs
[12:04] <asac> maybe in whiteboard
[12:04] <asac> or even in spec
[12:05] <fta> this is for 64bit: http://dev.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/64-bit-support
[12:26]  * asac lunch
[13:50] <asac> fta: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Specs/Karmic/Firefox35Transition
[14:06] <fta2> asac, "drop firefox-dev package" i'm not sure about that one. currently, it's empty but should it be?
[14:07] <fta2> "(keep trunk testsuite)" ?
[14:07] <fta2> everything else looks fine
[14:20] <asac> am i here?
[14:20] <asac> @time
[14:20] <asac> !info xulrunner-1.9
[14:20] <asac> hmm.. odd
[14:20] <asac> ok
[14:21] <asac> fta2: good question about firefox-dev .... lets check
[14:22] <asac> fta2: http://pastebin.com/f1049cfe1
[14:22] <asac> those are the idls
[14:22] <asac> imo they should go into firefox-dev
[14:22] <asac> (and their headers of course)
[14:23] <fta2> yes, that's what i meant.
[14:23] <asac> so its upstream not installing them on make install, right
[14:23] <asac> ?
[14:23] <fta2> it means it's an upstream bug
[14:23] <fta2> yes
[14:23] <asac> didnt we have a bug for that?
[14:23] <fta2> it's empty since we split ff and xul
[14:24] <fta2> i don't remember any bug # for that
[14:24] <asac> hmm. wasnt there a upstream bug about firefox sdk pieces or something
[14:24] <fta2> is debian still shipping that -dev?
[14:25] <asac> i remember that benjamin said he doesnt want that somewhere
[14:25] <asac> no clue about debian ... but i wouldnt say they are not always a good example to follow ... especially on mozilla stuff
[14:25] <fta2> mozilla 421168
[14:25] <fta2> wontfix
[14:30] <asac> yeah
[14:30] <asac> i asked something and documented this bug next to the firefox-dev bullet point in the spec
[14:31] <fta2> excellent
[14:42]  * asac checks some NM stuff ... bbl
[15:20] <askand> Hi, I can not have firefox open for more than an hour before it crash
[15:21] <askand> What debugpackages should I install?
[15:21] <askand> The wikipage is outdated
[15:21] <gnomefreak> askand: the bug page for it is not outdated the packages are for firefox-3.0
[15:22] <gnomefreak> and you should use apport to file the crashes
[15:22] <askand> I can not due to bug 314212
[15:23] <gnomefreak> askand: does it work if you manually try to use apport? my browser is slow atm due to updates
[15:24] <askand> gnomefreak: no I get the same message, however I can unpack the report but not sure what to do with it after that
[15:24] <gnomefreak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs#Run%20Firefox%20in%20a%20Debugger is right
[15:25] <gnomefreak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs#Obtain%20a%20backtrace%20from%20an%20apport%20crash%20report%20(using%20gdb) should help doing debug on crash report
[15:25] <askand> gnomefreak: xulrunner-1.9-dbgsym is not found in the repos
[15:25] <askand> Im using Jaunty
[15:25] <gnomefreak> askand: nor is anyother dbg-sym packages
[15:25] <gnomefreak> eh dbgsym
[15:26] <gnomefreak> deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com i left out some of it due to hardy but replace hardy with jaunty
[15:27] <gnomefreak> see the wiki under run firefox in a debugger mode
[15:27]  * gnomefreak ddbes on wiki while i am here
[15:29] <gnomefreak> not sure if proposed has been introduced into ddebs yet
[15:29] <askand> it seems to work now at least after adding the repo
[15:29] <askand> will try to run gdb now
[15:29] <askand> last time it complained on no debugging symbols found
[15:29] <gnomefreak> askand: ok its loading. please try the dbgsym repos all of the 4 and let me know if proposed ddeb repos work please
[15:30] <gnomefreak> i dont think we have anything in propopsed at this time
[15:30] <askand> i added main and universe
[15:30] <askand> ..main and updates
[15:31] <gnomefreak> ill test it a bit later after updates are done.
[15:31] <askand> no I still got no deugging symbols found
[15:31]  * gnomefreak be back coffee and smoke
[15:35] <asac> askand: so did you install all dbgsym packages named on the website?
[15:35] <askand> asac: yep, last time it didn't install xulrunner-dbg but it did now
[15:35] <asac> there might still be a few libs that dont have dbg packages, instaled, so as long as you see much less warnings about no debugging symbols stuff should be fine
[15:35] <asac> askand: is the crash reproducible without extensions?
[15:35] <askand> it is
[15:37] <asac> askand: ok. get the debug symbols. and dont forget to file a bug with the instructions on how to reproduce
[15:37] <asac> ;)
[15:37] <asac> if others can reproduce they can also get debug information
[15:37] <askand> asac: there is no way to reproduce really :(
[15:38] <askand> the crashes is, in all senses of the word , random
[15:39] <asac> do you get segfaults?
[15:39] <asac> or bus errors or aborts or something?
[15:41] <askand> no its segfaults
[15:41] <askand> I think at least
[15:41] <askand> will check
[15:42] <askand> is there any useful in the crashfile from apport?
[15:42] <asac> askand: yeah. so install all dbg packages, and run firefox -g
[15:42] <asac> to run it in the debugger
[15:42] <askand> oh
[15:42] <askand> I ran gdb /usr/lib/firefox-3*/firefox 2>&1 | tee /tmp/gdb-firefox.txt
[15:42] <asac> note that startup will be significantly smaller than without dbg, but using after startup should be more or less ok (on normal systems)(
[15:42] <asac> askand: use firefox -g i would say
[15:43] <asac> askand: if it works and its not on the debugging wiki page, please add it
[15:43] <askand> where is the logfile stored when runnin firefox -g?
[15:45] <asac> askand: you can run it with 2>&1 | tee ...
[15:45] <asac> to get a log
[15:46] <asac> you can also specify a log file, but i dont know atm ;)
[15:46] <askand> I get (no debugging symbols found) but that's ok perhaps
[15:47] <asac> askand: there might still be missing dbg packages, but if you have the most important ones it should at least give you a good snap
[15:48] <askand> good :)
[16:00] <gnomefreak> ok ddeb for -proposed works in jaunty
[16:23] <gnomefreak> askand: i sent you the diff yesterday since i wasnt here when you got back from lunch. let me know what you think i have a couple of little changes i have to make to it still(firegpg)
[16:24] <asac> gnomefreak: you mean asac?
[16:24] <gnomefreak> yes sorry
[16:24] <gnomefreak> :) autocomplete
[16:25] <asac> i saw the diff .... will check it out later
[16:25] <asac> thanks
[16:26] <gnomefreak> asac: thanks
[16:27] <gnomefreak> mailman needs a reject all option
[16:29] <asac> yeah ;)
[16:29] <asac> it could include those nice email things in the summaries
[16:29] <asac> that would be nifty
[16:33]  * asac running some errands
[16:35] <gnomefreak> asac: any chance of getting enigmail0.96 in repos
[16:35] <gnomefreak> it fixes at least one bug
[16:56] <fta2> jcastro, any success with chromium?
[16:57] <fta2> jcastro, btw, i've pushed an update earlier today, can't find what you were looking for in it o_O
[17:00] <jcastro> I didn't see it either, maybe it's not hooked up?
[17:01] <fta2> most probably
[17:02] <fta2> the video tag is not ready either. i have the bits in place now in the packaging, so it will improve as upstream adds more stuff in.
[17:05] <fta2> jcastro, i also provides hi-res icons now, incl a 256x256 icon. can you see it in gnome do?
[17:07] <jcastro> fta2: I still see the blurry icon
[17:07] <fta2> hmm
[17:07] <fta2> maybe you need to restart your session or something
[17:08] <jcastro> maybe
[17:08] <jcastro> I need a new kernel anyway, will try after lunch
[17:08] <fta2> great, please let me know
[17:10] <fta2> going out to meet some friends. cu
[18:01] <asac> back
[18:07] <gnomefreak> anyone need something from me that cant wait till atleast tomorrow? i have about 30 minutes before i have to get to meeting
[18:07] <asac> gnomefreak: all fine. enjoy the rest of the daya
[18:16] <gnomefreak> thanks
[18:17] <gnomefreak> i will try to be here friday and monday morning if not i will be gone until the 15th or 16th depending on how my eye heals
[18:20] <gnomefreak> duplicity should really compress all the volume diffs into one for easy import
[18:23] <gnomefreak> all but back-up.2009.18.05
[18:24] <gnomefreak> back-up.2009.18.05.tar.gz
[18:24] <gnomefreak> is made from dup. here http://pastebin.mozilla.org/655272  not very helpful :(
[18:38] <gnomefreak> seems mercurial needs the python deps to be updated before it ill upgrade
[18:39] <gnomefreak> yep that is exactly it
[18:40] <gnomefreak> maybe not it uses << 2.7 but karmic is on 2.6*
[18:46] <asac> yes. hg needs support for newer python
[18:46] <asac> !info mercurial
[18:46] <asac> !info mercurial/karmic
[18:47] <gnomefreak> i will have them update bot for karmic as an option
[18:47] <gnomefreak> atleast try anyway
[18:49] <gnomefreak> i sked :)
[18:49] <gnomefreak> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), python (<< 2.7), python (>= 2.5), python-support (>= 0.7.1), ucf (>= 2.0020), mercurial-common (= 1.1.2-2ubuntu1)
[18:50] <gnomefreak> that looks fine since we are <<2.7 and >=2.5
[18:50] <gnomefreak> ah it looks like python-support
[18:51] <gnomefreak> no not that either
[18:52] <gnomefreak> ok updated my X bug and filed one on deja-dup
[18:52] <gnomefreak> now to back up
[18:54] <gnomefreak> it seems bot does already do karmic just not in here (not sure of other channels)
[18:54] <gnomefreak> !info merurial karmic
[18:54] <gnomefreak> !info mercurial karmic
[18:54] <gnomefreak> ah it does
[19:23] <fta> stevel, http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/00-single/mediaplayers.png
[19:42] <stevel> fta: close mashtape and the cpu & memory should go down
[19:44] <fta> it's not mine
[20:17] <fta> stevel, came from there: http://identi.ca/notice/4901494
[20:26] <stevel> fta: ah. bummer, i'm not on identi.ca
[20:27] <fta> stevel, http://identi.ca/notice/4922266
[20:27] <stevel> cool thanks :)
[20:30] <fta> stevel, when is your next released planed? i haven't updated sb in a long while, some users are becoming nervous for an update
[20:37] <fta> asac, http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=12562
[20:46] <asac> fta: was that fixed in intrepid or jaunty nss?
[20:47] <fta> well, those are ubuntu binaries produced by google so i assume it's hardy
[20:48] <fta> then our old debian-style nss
[20:49] <fta> asac, what happened to your gtk fixes? i want to prepare ia32-libs to ship the missing bits
[21:15] <stevel> fta: 1.2 should be out soon (we just pushed the first beta of it yesterday) - depending on the bug feedback we get.. could be around ~2 weeks
[21:22] <fta> ok
[21:50] <askand> asac: hi, regarding the firefoxcrashes earlier, it seems to be related to flash :/
[21:51] <askand> asac: http://paste2.org/p/248550
[21:52] <BUGabundo> guud evening
[21:54] <fta> You are about to do something potentially harmful.
[21:54] <fta> To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'
[21:56] <BUGabundo> lol
[21:56] <fta> new coreutils
[22:53] <fta> jcastro, in the bm toolbar, right click an entry, then edit, here it is. still limited though
[22:54] <jcastro> oh I see
[22:56] <fta> also when you star an url, there's a dialog now
[23:21] <dtchen> fta: / asac: if you're seeking feedback, 3.0.11+build2+nobinonly WFM in hardy and karmic
[23:22] <fta> excellent, thanks
[23:26] <dtchen> odd. i haven't touched pulseaudio in karmic, and performance is horrid :/
[23:26] <BUGabundo> humm
[23:26] <BUGabundo> horrid how?
[23:26] <BUGabundo> WFM (now)
[23:27] <BUGabundo> even gstream on totem seems fixed
[23:28] <dtchen> i have pa chewing cpu
[23:31] <BUGabundo> let me look
[23:31] <BUGabundo>      1   0.04s   0.05s 423.7M 13532K      0     0    0    0   4% pulseaudio
[23:31] <BUGabundo> 2-4%
[23:31] <BUGabundo> is that much?
[23:36] <dtchen> that's what it _should_ be
[23:37] <dtchen> i'm seeing 19-75% across multiple cores
[23:38] <BUGabundo> C2D here
[23:38] <BUGabundo> $ sudo atop 2 | grep pulse
[23:38] <BUGabundo>  4637   4m43s   6m16s 359.7M 13104K  1596K   164K  N-   - S   2% pulseaudio
[23:38] <BUGabundo>  4637   0.01s   0.02s     0K     0K     0K     0K  --   - S   1% pulseaudio
[23:38] <BUGabundo>  4637   0.03s   0.02s     0K     0K     0K     0K  --   - S   2% pulseaudio
[23:38] <BUGabundo>  4637   0.02s   0.02s     0K     0K     0K     0K  --   - S   2% pulseaudio
[23:38] <BUGabundo>  4637   0.04s   0.04s     0K     0K     0K     0K  --   - S   4% pulseaudio
[23:40] <fta>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[23:40] <fta>  6254 fta       20   0  948m 263m  22m R   24 13.1   1024:54 firefox-3.6
[23:40] <fta> 20650 fta       20   0  269m  29m 9960 S    7  1.4  84:26.88 rhythmbox
[23:40] <fta> 25622 fta        9 -11  157m 5904 4744 S    4  0.3  14:34.89 pulseaudio
[23:40] <fta>  2101 fta       20   0 66804  24m  12m S    2  1.2   0:03.89 chromium-browse
[23:41] <fta> ff is a pig :(
[23:41] <dtchen> commit 44ada1a147fa28ae15b83a031c48fc2b992cc3ef
[23:41] <dtchen> ALSA: Enable PCM hw_ptr_jiffies check only in xrun_debug mode / ALSA: Fix invalid jiffies check after pause
[23:41] <dtchen> Ubuntu 2.6.30-8.9-generic
[23:42] <BUGabundo> !uname -a
[23:42] <dtchen> (from /proc/version_signature)
[23:42] <BUGabundo> Linux blubug 2.6.30-7-generic #8-Ubuntu SMP Mon May 25 13:52:54 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[23:43] <dtchen> if you can reproduce the symptom in 2.6.30-8.9-generic, i know precisely where the bug is
[23:43] <dtchen> we missed a fall-through for the jiffies check
[23:47] <BUGabundo> humm did that got posted?
[23:47] <BUGabundo> 'cause exec of uname always crash my pidgin
[23:48] <dtchen> well, your uname was posted, yes
[23:49] <dtchen> you're not triggering the bug because the culprit git changeset is in 2.6.30-rc8, not -rc7 (which 2.6.30-7.8-generic is based on)
[23:49] <BUGabundo> yeah
[23:49] <BUGabundo> so I should expect probs on the next kernel updates
[23:49] <BUGabundo> hehe
[23:50] <dtchen> it's quite humourous, actually. that changeset is supposed to _fix_ high cpu usage.
[23:50] <BUGabundo> eheh you never let me have audio working akaysish for more then a week, can you ?
[23:50] <dtchen> err, i didn't sign off on that patch
[23:50] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOL
[23:51] <dtchen> in fact, i was quite hesitant, because it appears the symptoms are only fixed if CONFIG_PREEMPT is enabled
[23:51] <dtchen> and guess which kernel config option karmic disables?
[23:52] <BUGabundo> this is nice.. core utils removes mktemp and synaptic alerts me to it
[23:54] <dtchen> right, aptitude safe-upgrade ftw
[23:55] <BUGabundo> yep
[23:56] <BUGabundo> since KDE4.3 on karmic
[23:56] <BUGabundo> I began loving aptitude too
[23:56] <BUGabundo> but it wouldn't help me in this case
[23:56] <BUGabundo> removing mktemp is a big NO NO
[23:57] <fta> BUGabundo, looks safe: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/coreutils/7.4-1
[23:58] <BUGabundo> checking