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uvirtbotNew bug: #383399 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "mysql-server 5.1.30 failed to upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38339900:16
quizmehi, what's so great about 9.04?  Is it worth switching to?00:20
giovaniquizme: haha00:21
giovaninewer packages00:21
giovanias always00:21
Rafael__what is better for connecting my windows computer to my ubuntu server...i have samba installe and i read that you can do either smb or cifs?00:21
jmedinaRafael__: smb is the old protocol00:21
jmedinacifs is the smb evolution00:22
giovaniCIFS > SMB, essentially00:22
giovanithey're the same product, just a newer revision00:22
quizmewhat's CIFS ?00:24
quizmeand SMB ?00:24
giovanigoogle00:24
giovanithey're file protocols00:24
Rafael__Any of you guys know a good how to to coneect my windows client to ubuntu server?00:24
giovaniRafael__: when in doubt, check the ubuntu.com website: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountWindowsSharesPermanently00:25
Rafael__giovani: Thanks for the link. any godd or easy to follow instructions?00:39
giovaniRafael__: huh?00:46
Rafael__giovani: sorry ....i was just asking if you knew any good and easy how to so i can follow ...00:48
giovaniI linked you to one ... obviously00:49
Rafael__i saw it but do not knwo if this is what i need..evidently as you can see i am a newby00:51
Rafael__do you mind if i make some question andif you think is rigth for that link then i will follo it?00:51
giovaninope sorry, no time00:52
Rafael__ok..thank..00:52
stevertRafael__00:57
stevertwhat is it you need help with ?00:57
Rafael__stevert: i am trying to connect my windows client computer (4) to my ubuntu server. i did installed SAMBA a long time ago, but had really not use it00:59
stevertwell01:00
stevertRafael__01:00
stevertrun01:00
stevertatp-get purge samba just so we can start fresh01:00
Rafael__let me ask you..i was confuse about the cisf and smb..are this two part of samba?01:01
Rafael__rgotten01:01
steverthere look01:02
stevertRafael__01:03
stevertjust follow this01:03
steverthttp://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/install-samba-server-on-ubuntu/01:03
Rafael__stevert: so what will be the difrrence on cisf and smb?01:06
stevertnot exactley surer, ive used smb and it works fine01:07
Rafael__Stevert: i also need to understand the following..if on server i have restricted areas to some computers and other to be accesible by everybody..were do you do this?01:09
stevertRafael__01:16
stevertwell01:16
stevertnot sure,01:16
stevertlol01:16
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quizmeshould i use ubuntu 8.04 for my server? or 9.04 ?01:38
giovanithat's up to you01:39
oh_noesis there a doc on installing Ubuntu Server on a LVM Software RAID1?01:51
oh_noesi tried to do it in the 8.04 Installer, creating an LVM on each disk, then creating / and swap on the new logical volumes01:51
oh_noesbut now I'm in the OS, and mdadm isnt installed so query it ... so I'm not sure whats actually doing the RAID101:52
oh_noesthat ... and it installed LILO as the boot loader, which is causing it to take +2 minutes to extract and boot01:52
Sam-I-Amdid you make an xfs boot partition?01:52
Sam-I-Amgrub cant boot xfs01:53
Sam-I-Amand possibly other filesystems01:53
oh_noesno, ext301:53
oh_noesso did the installer create me a DM LVM?01:54
oh_noesand im assuming I don't have RAID yet?01:54
oh_noesIm confused, all I wanted was Ubuntu Server installed on both system disks as RAID1 ...01:54
twbd-i will use lilo if it decides that your /boot isn't accessible to grub.01:54
twbIn particular, that is the case if you put /boot inside RAID5 and/or LVM.01:54
twbYou can put /boot on a RAID1; I typically have a separate 3-node RAID1 /boot, and the rest as RAID5.01:55
Sam-I-Amor you can just mirror two disks completely01:55
twb(Oh, and real hardware raid ought to be fine.  I speak above of md software raid)01:55
oh_noesso whats the current status of my system?  Was I wrong to create a two DM's in LVM for / and swap01:55
twbSam-I-Am: right.01:55
oh_noesI dont have mdadm atm, so I'm assuming I dont actually have RAID1 running atm?01:56
Sam-I-Amwere you running the installer at the time?01:56
twboh_noes: if /proc/mdstat is gone/empty, you are not using md software raid.01:56
Sam-I-Amor doing this later...01:56
oh_noesI dont have real hardware raid, It's an Intel chip.  I want to use software RAID101:57
oh_noesno mdstat ... i dont understand then ... I told the install to create an LVM with 2 disks.01:57
oh_noesso the installer is so dumb that its created me an LVM of 2 disks mapped, without any RAID?01:58
Sam-I-Amwell, if you're doing software raid + lvm, i believe you create raid partitions on each disk, tie them together for mirroring, and drop the lvm on01:59
Sam-I-Amits a few layers01:59
nick58boh_noes: software raid 1 install docs: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/advanced-installation.html02:00
oh_noesis there one for 8.04?02:00
nick58bi'm not aware of official 8.04 docs, but i have a couple 8.04 servers running on it02:03
nick58bi don't remember what i followed02:03
oh_noesI think I found a doc to do it02:04
oh_noesseems as if in my instlaled, I used "use device for LVM"02:04
oh_noesassuming LVM = Mirror, when I should have used "Use this device for RAID"02:04
oh_noesCan someone explain to me why someone would use a device for LVM and NOT want it for RAID?02:04
nick58bresizing with lvm is easier than resizing regular partitions02:06
giovanioh_noes: LVM is far more flexible02:13
giovanifar02:13
giovaniresizing is the main reason02:13
twbIf you want LVM on md RAID, you currently need to hold d-i partman's hand through the whole process.02:21
twbThere is no guided recipe for it.02:21
twbgiovani: and migrating LVs to a new PV when changing disks, and making snapshots for backup, etc.02:21
oh_noestwb: is it easier to just installed the OS on the first disk as normal, then mirror into the 2nd disk?02:32
oh_noespost install02:32
twboh_noes: no, certainly not02:32
oh_noesthat's pretty aweful then, hopefully partman improve on this02:32
twbPatches welcome!02:32
oh_noesyoud like to think it's pretty standard to create a raid1 os mirror at install02:32
twbI would certainly appreciate "Use RAID1 and LVM on all my disks" and "Use RAID5 and LVM on all my disks" guided partitioning choices.02:33
twbThe details get a bit hairy, though, because sysadmins are more likely to be picky about layout than someone choosing "just blow away my laptop's hard disk".02:34
ScottKlamont: It'd be nice to get Bug #348990 fixed (patch included).02:42
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 348990 in postfix "Deinstallation doesn't delete all files" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34899002:42
ScottKlamont: There are also quiet some bugs with ErrorMessage: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 75 in common.02:44
ScottKI haven't had a chance to look into that one at all, but it seems to be a not entirely unusual problem.02:44
oh_noestwb: they would definitely be nice additions to partman02:46
lamontScottK: 348990 is fixed02:54
ScottKlamont: Cool.02:54
lamontmind you, nfc when02:54
lamontfor the status 75 - I'd love to understand that bug02:55
lamontsince I can't seem to reproduce it02:55
lamontEX_TEMPFAIL FTL02:55
uvirtbotNew bug: #383430 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "MySQL does not upgrade correctly for 5.1.30really5.0.75-0ubuntu10.2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38343002:55
uvirtbotNew bug: #383050 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "package mysql-server-5.0 5.1.30really5.0.75-0ubuntu10.2 failed to install/upgrade: le sous-processus post-installation script a retourne une erreur de sortie d'etat 1" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38305003:01
uvirtbotNew bug: #379748 in squid (main) "Please import a fix for Debian bug 513102 (resolvconf integration)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37974803:26
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axisyshow do I see the grub menu and os console prompt on sun x4100's alom ?04:45
axisyson solaris i just have to set the screen and kbd to ttya using eeprom04:49
axisyshttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialConsoleHowto should this work for ALOM? i know it works for serial console04:51
billybigriggercan someone help me out here, i can't get php enabled in apache2, i looked in mods-enabled and php5.conf and php5.load are there06:06
billybigriggerbut viewing my test.php file just asks to save the file06:06
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jmarsdenbillybigrigger: sudo a2enmod php5 && sudo /etc/init/d/apache2 restart   # should be all that is needed?06:51
billybigriggerthe mod is already enabled06:55
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jmarsdenbillybigrigger: OK, I'll test here on a fresh apache2 and php5 install and see what else I have to do...07:05
niels_Howdy ;-)07:22
jmarsdenHi niels_07:22
niels_Hi jmarsden!How are things going?07:22
jmarsdenFine.  My updated sword package is in Debian unstable, soon to be followed by a couple of apps ... I'm finally seeing my packaging end up in Debian and Ubuntu, which is exciting :)07:24
niels_Good on ya, mate! I figured out yesterday, while installing Jaunty Server, that the RAID-Controller wasn't likely to work flawlessly and guess what the prob was...07:28
rcsheetsthat's really cool, jmarsden07:28
jmarsdenniels_: It's FakeRAID after all?07:29
niels_jmarsden: nope, it's been a HW-RAID-6, BUT the Controller had a buggy Firmware, which was almost 1yr old and the manufacturer forgot to update the Firmware to the latest stable one. Grrr...we just bought the server 4weeks ago07:32
jmarsdenrcsheets: Thanks!  Yes... one package I did (bibledit) is all the way into Debian testing and Ubuntu Karmic already... I'm starting to wonder about trying for UCD (Ubuntu Contributing Developer) status and then maybe MOTU... we'll see.07:32
jmarsdenniels_: sigh.  Well, at least the fix is easy -- download and update the firmware, and then rebuild the array all over again... right?07:32
niels_yep...07:34
niels_I am just rebuilding the array...and my boss is quite happy ;-)07:34
jmarsdenbillybigrigger: OK, I duplicated the behaviour you are seeing... nwo to figure out what I change to make PHP work as expected... I've done this before... and it is something simple.07:35
jmarsdenbillybigrigger: Found it at last.  You need to enable ExecCGI in the Options line07:46
jmarsdenApparently Ubuntu defaults for /var/www/html are reasonably secure :)07:48
error404notfoundanybody ever installed google site map generator here?08:31
thefishanyone know of a way to keep 2 directories in sync in close to real time? ie rsync/unison on a cron is not quick enough..08:46
henkjanuse central storage08:52
owhI have a hair brained idea that I'd like to discuss. A small start-up client needs file and print services. They have 5 employees who are mostly on the road. I'm entertaining the idea of providing them with a virtual server which runs a VPN which when connected allows the employees to connect to samba where their files live...09:13
owhWhile the client hopes to grow to 20 employees in the next 24 months, I cannot justify advising them to buy a server, buy bandwidth, ups, etc and have a person on call to maintain a physical box. Any comments?09:14
_rubenowh: how'd print services workout while being on the road? :P09:30
owhI asked that question - they didn't much care :)09:30
owhThe actual response was: "Why would we want to print if we're not going to be able to pick it up from the printer?"09:31
_rubenso they do want to print at the office i guess, so they'd need a print server there09:32
_rubenand if the fileserver isnt at the office, and the office is on low-bandwidth, their fileserver will be slow @ the office as well09:33
owhThere is a network printer in the office. As for slow network speed in the office. It won't be LAN speeds, sure -- but as more and more users start using it remotely, their internet connectivity bill will keep going up.09:34
owhNot to mention hardware costs, infrastructure, etc.09:34
owhI suppose I'm trying to get a feel for if this is a really smart way of solving their problem, or if my name is going to be mud because I've chosen a solution that makes every man and their dog scratch their head.09:36
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_rubenaside from the (possible) performance issues, the setup you described sounds fair enough :)09:37
owhI figure that if they host a VPS, I can also backup their data to another VPS within the hosting server, rather than needing to come up with an off-site backup solution.09:37
owhs/hosting server/hosting provider/09:37
owhThere is one snake in the grass...09:38
_rubenthat's what you for living down-under ;)09:38
_ruben+get09:38
owhOne of their "must have" applications is a windows application. I am contemplating running a terminal server/vnc to a virtual machine that runs that application for the users that need it. It's their accounting software.09:39
owhI'm not liking that much, but I cannot think of any other way of doing it.09:40
_rubenit needs to be on a central place?09:40
owhI've made plenty of vmware terminal servers, you connect, it fires up a vmware instance of windows, launches the application, magic.09:40
owhYes, it needs to be central.09:40
owhThe application is really pretty poor in terms of network access. I wouldn't want it to talk to its database across a vpn.09:41
owhI could rsync the database, but that's hardly "live".09:41
_rubenand wouldnt work (well) for large db combined with low bandwidth09:42
owhYeah, my datafile for that application is 23Mb for 10 years of data. Not too huge, but not trivial either.09:42
owhEven if we put a server on their LAN, the access to that application still needs to be remote.09:43
owhI really, really don't want to put in a windows sbs with terminal services.09:43
owhIf it comes to that, I'll hand it to a Windows mob to do the work and run away.09:44
_rubenwindows 2008's terminal server features are kinda nice ;)09:44
owhSure, all except for the Windows part of it.09:44
_rubentrue ;)09:44
_rubenwine + vnc then ;)09:45
owhI mean, I could make a full-time job just understanding and applying windows patches. I have better things to do.09:45
jmarsdenIf they can live with "one user at a time" access to that app, you could put a Windows desktop in their office and allow RDP to it over a VPN.  Maybe?  Do they *need* true multiuser accounting for a 5 person company?09:45
owhHaven't tried wine lately, but last time I tried, about 12 months ago, it was crap with that application.09:46
owhThat's an interesting idea jmarsden.09:46
simplexioowh: wine has come a long way sincce last year09:46
jmarsdenSaves cost, and if the whole virtual world falls down, they still have an office windows box with their accounting on it :)09:46
owhjmarsden: Mind you, then I have to maintain a VPN into the office and all the associated paraphernalia.09:47
owhsimplexio: That's an astute observation.09:47
jmarsdenWell, you're maintaining a VPN to every single travelling user anyway...09:47
owhYeah, but you're suggesting an *additional* VPN.09:48
owhImagine the confusion :)09:48
owhI mean, they don't even have AV software at present :)09:49
jmarsdenYes.  So you need a monowall router for maybe US$200 at the office?  Or give people remote access to that windows box via the server-in-the-sky... then it is only one VPN, the office is one moer client connecting (constantly!) to the server??09:49
* owh shudders.09:49
owhThat could work.09:50
owhIt's not very scalable though.09:51
jmarsdenNo, but by the time they have 20 or whatever users they may have more $$ for a windows server, or Wine may be good enough to run the app up on the server by then...09:52
owhIt does give real-time speed access to the local user though.09:52
jmarsdenAnd the bookkeeper may be the one who travels the least?09:52
owhIt's not that they don't have money for a windows server, it's that it didn't seem to make sense to go down that path given that they're going to be on the road for 1/3 of the time all around the globe.09:53
owhThe company secretary is remote.09:53
owhThe only local user would be the receptionist who would make about 10 transactions a week. The rest of the access is remote access reporting.09:53
owhwine + vnc sounds like a really interesting idea. Less heavy than running a whole windows environment in a vps.09:54
jmarsdenSounds like you now have some feasibility experiments to conduct :)09:56
owhI figure, $500 or so for a VPS, $1k for my time, they're done for about $1.5k -- if it grows, add $500. Going down the windows path is $2k for a server, $1k for licenses, $1k for me, $1k for Internet.09:57
owhFeasibility indeed. Testing is in order.09:57
owhI wonder if anyone already has a turnkey one :)09:57
owhIn my fantasy I can use google sso to manage users and access, but I suspect I'm dreaming :)09:58
BrixSatHi :)09:58
BrixSati have installed using tasksel the xubuntu desktop, and how can i disable it from autostart?09:58
owhBrixSat: How is this related to a ubuntu server?09:59
_rubenask the xubuntu ppl09:59
BrixSat:)09:59
_rubenx != server09:59
owh_ruben: That's only true if server != osx :)09:59
_rubenhehe10:00
BrixSatthanks guys :)10:00
_rubenbut update-rc.d is probably what you are looking for .. and/or possibly some entry in /etc/defaults/10:00
owhSo, if I run samba on the VPS, I'm thinking that I bind it to the lo interface and only provide access via eth0 internally - ie, authenticate via VPN of choice, map internally to lo?10:01
owhOr am I thinking wrong?10:02
_rubendepending on the vpn software of choice, you might have a tun/tap/etc interface to bind to .. and with proper firewalling, the binding doesnt really matter all that much10:03
BrixSat_ruben,  Are those files in /etc ?10:03
owhI'm going to be having XP and Vista clients mostly, though I suspect I'll need to connect via my Ubuntu desktop :)10:03
_rubenupdate-rc.d is a command10:03
_rubenowh: openvpn comes to mind as first .. which would have a nice tun/tap device to bind to ;)10:04
owh_ruben: Does Doze already natively talk to openvpn, or do they need to install stuff?10:05
NorthByNorthWestHi! I have a ubuntu server running with a SMB-shared folder. The desktop-ubuntu have two users that mount that folder to a local directory in the fstab. I need both users to have full access to edit, add and remove each others files in that share. Can I do that with chown g+s by ssh in that server? How?10:06
NorthByNorthWest(Win-clients will also access that folder... so thats why the smb-share)10:06
_rubenowh: install's required .. if you want to use the built-in vpn stuff, you need pptp or l2tp-over-ipsec10:07
owh_ruben: I'm guessing I'm going to have to do some reading :)10:07
_rubenor something like sslexplorer, which is a browser based thingie10:07
owhFrom a usability perspective, a bog-standard windows installation being able to connect would be a good thing. Even if there is pain for me.10:08
* owh is very grateful for all the comments and advice. Much appreciated. When I've come up with a workable solution, I'll put it on the 'net for others to use. Tah.10:09
owhOh crap, just looked at the clock -- gotta run, thanks all!10:10
jovarois someone else also having problems with mysql after the latest update? I have 100% cpu usage from mysqld_safe10:19
jmarsdenjovaro: That is a known issue... there's a bug in launchpad with tons of comments...10:19
jovaroaha, thanks. I'll have a look at that10:20
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jmarsdenjovaro: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-dfsg-5.0/+bug/10545710:20
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 105457 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 "mysqd_safe high cpu usage" [Low,Triaged]10:20
brixsathow can i put ubuntu tu autoupdate all packages?10:21
jovaroty jmarsden10:21
jmarsdenjovaro: No problem.10:21
NorthByNorthWeststill need help with chmod g+s for my server if anyone feels up to it!10:22
jmarsdenbrixsat: sudo apt-get install unattended-upgrades   # Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/automatic-updates.html10:22
jmarsdenNorthByNorthWest: I think you just want to create a group, chmod 4770 the directory concerned, chown :thegroup the directory concerned,  and add the relevant users to that group ?10:24
NorthByNorthWestjmarsden: so i ssh into the server, create the group, chmod 4470 the shared directory, then 'chown :thegroup /the/directory'10:26
NorthByNorthWestjmarsden: and then create the same group on the desktop, add the users and then were good to go?10:26
jmarsdenUmmm... add the same group on the desktop?  I don't follow.  The files are on the server and the users have account there, right?10:27
jmarsdenYou could, but I don't know that it is necessary.  and ity is 2:30am here so I should get some sleep and may be missing something about what you are trying to do... :)10:29
NorthByNorthWestwell... the users have their accounts locally on the desktop... the server have a shared directory, working lika a NAS, basically...10:29
jmarsdenSounds reasonable, though I'm not sure what the group on the desktop(s) will buy you.  Try it and see :)10:30
NorthByNorthWestwell... basically i need to make so that the shared server folder, mounted in fstab, acts like a shared folder for all users on this desktop... with unrestriced access to all files added to that folder...10:31
NorthByNorthWestshould I do this by editing fstab instead?10:31
jmarsdenI don't think so; you could tell samba to always write files in that folder as user X in its config file, if you need to.10:34
NorthByNorthWestby 'sudo nano /etc/samba/smb.conf'   ?10:35
jmarsdenSure.10:36
jmarsdenAnd ... goodnight :)10:36
NorthByNorthWestok... there seems to be pretty good explanatins embedded into that file!10:36
NorthByNorthWestthanks!10:36
NorthByNorthWestsweet dreams! :)10:36
NorthByNorthWestafter editing /etc/samba/smb.conf i need to restart samba? How? can find anything that looks right in /etc/init.d/10:40
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SirStanWhats the best way to backup to a remote host?14:13
highvoltageSirStan: put it in reverse and release the clutch slightly14:16
highvoltageSirStan: for desktops to a server, backuppc is nice14:16
highvoltageSirStan: I guess it depends what you want, if it's once-off you could use rsync14:17
highvoltageSirStan: backula is quite powerful if you need it14:17
uvirtbotNew bug: #383473 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "package mysql-server 5.1.30really5.0.75-0ubuntu10 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1 (dup-of: 153868)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38347315:30
uvirtbotNew bug: #383636 in likewise-open5 (universe) "DDNS updates aren't automated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38363616:40
jbernardkirkland: around?16:45
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kirklandjbernard: yo17:07
jbernardkirkland: got a sec to talk about upstart/inotify? I've got some questions and thoughts17:17
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kirklandjbernard: yessir17:39
kirklandjbernard: i'm working on a few things in parallel17:40
kirklandjbernard: we should bounce over to ubuntu-devel, in case we need keybuk17:40
frojndAfter the build of kernel is complete, can I delte some files? Building the kernel has consequences, eating my space18:18
al_paunHi there18:39
al_paunHow do I know if my kernel is compiled with EXT3 XATTR option?18:39
jmedinaal_paun: are you using default kernel?18:46
jmedina$ grep -i ext3 /boot/config-`uname -r`18:47
jmedinait returns something like this:18:47
jmedinaCONFIG_EXT3_FS_XATTR=y18:47
jmedinaanyone using php5 ever got a error like this:18:50
jmedinaALERT - linked list corrupt on efree() - heap corruption detected (attacker x.x.x.x...18:50
jmedinaIm instaling vtiger CRM via the webinstaller, it fails whith that error18:51
jmedinaam using hardy with apache2/apache2-mpm-prefork  and libapache2-mod-php518:51
resnoit sounds like you should contact vtiger.18:52
jmedinait installs in any other distro without problems :S18:53
jmedinaI never saw that message about attacker18:53
SirStanjmedina: are you running suhosin?18:53
jmedinaIm not sure if is related to hardened18:53
jmedinaSirStan: I think so, I just installed libapache2=mod-php518:54
SirStanthats a suhosin error18:57
SirStannot sure what the fix is thought18:58
SirStan-t18:58
jmedinaSirStan: mmmmmm, do you know any workaround, I never had suhosin problems :S18:58
jmedinaok, I found somthing18:58
SirStanoh?18:58
jmedinaphp_admin_value suhosin.request.max_vars 50019:00
jmedinaphp_admin_value suhosin.post.max_vars 50019:00
jmedinaSirStan: that problem did apache to use 99.9% cpu19:02
jmedinamy sistem was at 100%us19:02
jmedinaI did stop apache, but that specific child didnt die19:02
jmedinait worked19:03
jmedina¬¬19:03
frojndHello there19:18
frojndanyone here that has in a life time configured the kernel before build it?19:18
frojndI'm the first timer here and as I look throgh those settings I think I won't be able to start building it since next week.. I have no idea what some stuff mean :S19:18
frojndI know lspci tells me what hardware I have but I can't find any connection from xconfig19:19
frojndajaj19:19
simplexiofrojnd: well.. you sont need to know all stuff thats is there, just things you want to change19:20
simplexios/sont/dont19:21
frojndsimplexio: there is a lot of thigs already checked..19:21
frojndI've already build it but then the build folder was like 3.3gb big19:21
frojndand I only have 2.3gb after that left19:21
frojndnot enough for installing the modules and installing the kernel..19:22
frojndsimplexio: If  Ido lspci, there  I only have 21 things19:23
frojndok ISDN  I don't need19:23
frojndthat's I'm quite sure19:23
simplexiointresting.. havent notice before that ready compiled kernel source dir takes 4.7G19:24
simplexiothat probably explains where all my lost disk space is19:24
frojndaha :D19:24
frojndWhat is Virtualization used for?19:25
simplexionot 100% sure, but is for guest kernels19:25
frojndso I don't need it19:26
simplexioor its host part support for some faster stuff19:26
jmedinafrojnd: there is a lot of reasons, principally server consolidation, and maximum resource usage19:26
simplexioits a server ? , then you dont need oss/alsa stuff19:26
frojndit's not a server (this one is a destkop) but I'm asking here since I had good experience while configuring the server19:27
frojndand because of good guys here :P19:27
simplexioand a lot less people than in #ubuntu19:28
frojndsimplexio: yep :)19:28
simplexiofrojnd: you can do stuff like remove all 100Mb network support if you have gigabit cards etc19:28
frojndsimplexio: actually I have 100mb card19:29
frojndwhich is currently fried.. so instead I just use usb card19:29
frojndsub ethernet card19:29
frojndand integrated wifi card19:29
frojndbut maybe I'll buy also usb wifi card with external antena19:30
frojndso for network I'm pretty sure I d on't need a bunch of sruff..19:30
frojnd...what's bothering me is that I don't know how big is some driver..19:32
frojndarh19:32
simplexionot that big, but i think every supported card is compiled as module if you use standart ubuntu config as base19:33
frojndcp /boot/config-$(uname -r) .config && yes "" | make oldconfig19:34
frojndwhile I'm in /usr/src/linux-2.6.29.4/ directory19:34
frojndso it copies the old config19:34
frojndfrom old one to the new..19:34
frojndand I don't need so much of a old one19:35
simplexioits little bloat way to make config19:36
frojndif my processor is core duo19:38
frojndintel19:38
frojndI don't have to had all the settings enabled yes?19:38
frojndjust support for more than one cpus19:38
frojndand I need to select the right model19:39
frojndright?19:39
frojndHm..19:41
frojndhow can I determine processor familly if I have vendor_id: GenuineIntel, cpu cores: 2, model name: Genuine Intel(R) CPU           T2250  @ 1.73GHz ?19:42
frojndCurrently is set to: 586/K5/5x86/6x86/6x86MX (M586)19:42
simplexiouu19:43
simplexioits is there anything newer ?19:43
simplexioi think there selection for code duo19:44
frojndIf I cat /proc/cpuinfo I get cpu family 619:45
frojndsimplexio: current settings is ok?19:45
frojnd586/K5/5x86/6x86/6x86MX (M586)19:46
frojnd586/K5/5x86/6x86/6x86MX (M586)19:46
simplexioi have no idea whats is right for your processor, i run opteron19:46
frojndups19:46
frojndhm19:46
frojndOk.. where can I get info what chipset is using my cpu? what intel chip is using my cpu?19:53
jmedinafrojnd: probably with hwinfo19:54
jmedinaor dmidecode19:54
frojndlet me check19:56
frojndFamily: Pentium M19:57
uvirtbotNew bug: #383710 in openssh (main) "GSSAPIAuthentication enabled by default contrary to /etc/ssh/ssh_config implication" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38371020:15
frojndHm.. I'm at the PCI support. What laptops usualy have for PCI access mode: bios, mmconfig, direct, or olpc ?20:21
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jbernardkirkland: after talking with Keybuk, I think it might be a good idea to implement the cron @reboot option so we have a solution for karmic20:24
jbernardthat way we can make the choice to integrate with upstart depending the remaining time20:26
jcastromathiaz: any burning issues for today? I am still catching up from UDS.20:51
jcastromathiaz: if you could send along those profiles you were going through at the session that would be great20:51
mathiazjcastro: hey - nope20:51
mathiazjcastro: sure - I'll probably update the ServerTeam wiki pages20:51
mathiazjcastro: I've already posted the notes in the blueprint20:51
jcastrooh ok, checking, thanks!20:52
mathiazjcastro: the next step is to update one of the wiki page (either GettingInvolved or KnowledgeBase)20:52
mathiazjcastro: (probably the latter - as it may be overwhelming information for a newcommer)20:52
jcastronod20:53
mathiazjcastro: I've got nothing else to report/discuss20:53
jcastronor me20:53
jcastrohugs!20:53
mathiazjcastro: :) - we'll catch next week20:53
mathiazjcastro: :) - we'll catch *up* next week20:53
jcastrosure20:54
ajmitchhi mathiaz, jcastro :)20:56
jcastrohi ajmitch!21:13
GullyFoylewtf? i just discovered my version ov vi doesn't have syntax highlighting21:14
ajmitchinstall vim-full21:15
ajmitchor at least vim instead of vim-tiny21:15
* ajmitch can't remember if -full drags in the gtk/gnome versions21:15
GullyFoyleare you saying my "vim" is tiny?21:15
ajmitchI am21:16
ajmitchSorry21:16
greenflyit's how you use vim that matters21:17
GullyFoyleso vim-full is all those versions like vim-perl, vim-python etc. rolled inti ine?21:18
GullyFoyle*into one21:18
jcastroyou want "vim"21:18
GullyFoyleah ok that worked. ajmitch was right, i had a tiny vim.21:20
jcastroisn't there enough room on the server cd for normal vim?21:21
frojndHow can I get info if I have IDE cables or SCSI in my laptop. dmidecode doesn't say anything about IDE or SCSI ?21:35
frojndAny ideas?21:35
giovani|workfrojnd: SCSI? laptops don't use SCSI21:37
giovani|workdo you mean SATA or IDE? the kernel will detect that21:37
frojndgiovani|work: I'm ocnfiguring custom kernel, that's why I'm asking...21:37
frojndso no SCSI enabled in custom kernel21:37
frojndgiovani|work: does latptops have PCMCIA SCSI adapters?21:40
frojndor SCSI device handlers?21:40
Sam-I-Amfrojnd: why are you compiling a custom kernel?21:47
frojndSam-I-Am: since mac80211 is supported under 2.6.29 kernel....22:05
frojndI'm at the Device drivers-> Network Device support -> Wireless LAN. My wireless card is broadcom bcm43xx integrated into laptop. Can I safe enable just for this card or any other? Can I then still put into my laptop usb/wifi cards? And they would be recognized? Or I have to check under Wilerelss LAN section for usb wifi cards?22:05
Sam-I-Amyou'd need to add everything you might need as a module22:07
Sam-I-Amso here's a thought22:07
Sam-I-Amgrab the config from the latest ubuntu kernel22:07
Sam-I-Ammake oldconfig in the new source22:08
Sam-I-Amthen add the one driver you need22:08
Sam-I-Amwhole lot easier than trying to figure out whats all going on in the kernel... especially with laptops.22:08
frojndSam-I-Am: hm..22:08
Sam-I-Ami think karmic uses .2922:08
Sam-I-Amso you can just grab that kernel22:08
frojndcp /boot/config-$(uname -r) .config && yes "" | make oldconfig22:09
frojndthis copies the old settings into new kernel I've downloaded right?22:09
Sam-I-Ampretty much22:10
frojndif I'm in /usr/src/linux-2.6.29.4/22:10
frojndbut when I do xconfig22:10
frojndMan I tell you... most of the things are enabled..22:10
frojndso ubuntu by default enables tons of thing that I don't need22:10
Sam-I-Ameh22:10
Sam-I-Amyou're better off not screwing with that stuff22:11
Sam-I-Amunless you really know what you're doing22:11
frojndSam-I-Am: if I build this kernel...22:11
frojndIt's like 3.3gb big..22:11
Sam-I-Ammost everything is modular these days... completely unused unless its needed22:11
Sam-I-Amthe kernel is probably a few megs when its done22:11
frojndI don't know from where if original or factory kernel is about few MB...22:11
Sam-I-Amthe source tree is huge, yes22:11
Sam-I-Ambut the compiled kernel is small22:12
Sam-I-Amkarmic is at .3022:12
Sam-I-Amhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/linux-image22:12
Sam-I-Amyou can dpkg -i one of those22:12
frojndSam-I-Am: wait...22:12
MTecknologyI have a problem... The Drupal repo is horribly out of date...22:12
frojndif I do du -hs du -hs /usr/src/linux-2.6.29.4/22:13
frojndsorry22:13
frojndjust du -hs /usr/src/linux-2.6.29.4/22:13
frojndI get a size of 3.3gb22:13
Sam-I-Amand so thats the source and perhaps objects if you compiled it22:13
frojndSam-I-Am: this is the new kernel right?22:13
frojndor it's not? :S22:14
Sam-I-Amthat would be the source code for the kernel22:14
Sam-I-Amwhether or not you turn things on and off does not change that size22:14
Sam-I-Amit just changes what gets compiled into the kernel22:14
MTecknologyAnyone know of an up-to-date ppa for drupal in ubuntu?22:14
frojndSam-I-Am: but I still need it...22:14
Sam-I-Amstill need what?22:14
frojndSam-I-Am: I mean it eat's my space22:14
frojndI only have 8gb22:14
Sam-I-Amyou dont need the source after you're done compiling22:14
Sam-I-Amyou should follow the ubuntu/debian way of building the kernel otherwise you'll lose the headers and whatnot... then you cant add modules later22:15
Sam-I-Amwhich is why in the end its just better to use the prepackaged kernel22:15
frojndSam-I-Am: no in my case not..22:15
frojndSam-I-Am: I build the kernel I only have 1.5gb left22:16
frojndthen I try to install the modules..22:16
frojndon my surprise I can't since no space left...22:16
frojndis it a way to isntallem somwhere else?22:16
Sam-I-Amwell, thats a problem22:16
frojndor can I build a kernel somwere else than on / ?22:16
Sam-I-Amsure22:17
Sam-I-Amit doesnt care22:17
frojndreally?22:17
Sam-I-Ambut i still cant figure out why you're building a kernel22:17
frojndI mean can I mount a partition?22:17
Sam-I-Amsure22:17
Sam-I-Amor symlink it22:17
frojndSam-I-Am: let say /dev/sda5 has 20gb left...22:18
Sam-I-Amis it already mounted somewhere?22:18
frojndno but  Ican mount it right away22:19
Sam-I-Amso copy all the junk in /usr/src/linux-* to it, then mount it on /usr/src22:20
Sam-I-Amor some variant22:20
frojndSam-I-Am: wait..22:21
frojndI mounted /dev/sda5 to /mnt22:21
frojndit's not empty partition...22:21
frojndnow I have to copy /usr/src/linux-* to /mnt/new_dir/ ?22:23
Sam-I-Amyes22:24
frojndok done22:24
frojndnow I have to type make in that folder?22:26
Sam-I-Amuh22:26
Sam-I-Amyou should really be using the debian way to build a kernel so you get packages22:26
frojnderm..22:27
frojndbut I'm not :)22:27
Sam-I-Ami noticed22:27
Sam-I-Amand you're going to have a mess22:27
frojndso how can I build kernel in this new direcoty?22:27
Sam-I-Amthe same way you would in the other directory22:27
frojndand after it's complete22:27
Sam-I-Amthen you install it22:27
frojndcan I install modules in that directory?22:28
Sam-I-Amno22:28
Sam-I-Amthe installation goes in /22:28
Sam-I-Amin various places22:28
Sam-I-Ambut that part is small22:28
frojndSam-I-Am: ok.. but how can I tell the linux to do that22:28
frojndor it will figure it out22:28
frojndand from /mnt/new_dir install it into / ?22:28
Sam-I-Amshould22:29
jmedinafrojnd: did you read the README file in sources tree?22:31
frojndjmedina: no22:32
jmedinathere is an example how to build a kernel in another directory22:32
jmedinafrojnd: that is the fist place :P22:32
kirklandjbernard: yes, definitely22:32
kirklandjbernard: definitely -> cron @reboot22:32
frojndjmedina: readme in source file22:32
frojndlet me check22:32
jbernardkirkland: ok cool, otherwise we'd be at the mercy of Keybuk's time schedule ;)22:33
kirklandjbernard: heh ;-)  yeah22:33
kirklandjbernard: i'll take a look at it this week or next22:33
kirklandjbernard: sorry, my focus has been very divided today22:33
jbernardno worries22:33
jbernardyou mean the cron update?22:33
jbernardi can hack that out if you like22:34
kirklandjbernard: yeah, that would be great22:34
jbernardso, here's a thought...22:34
kirklandjbernard: btw, do you have any outstanding merge proposals that I've missed?22:34
jbernardif we integrate with upstart, the essentially precludes debian from including this package in their distros unless they make the leap to upstart22:35
jbernardprehaps we should have a cron/@reboot option in addition to upstart integration22:35
kirklandjbernard: fair enough22:35
jbernardno merge proposals pending22:35
jbernardkirkland: ok cool, ill try and get the cron stuff in there as soon as i can carve out some time, hopefully this weekend22:37
kirklandjbernard: sounds great22:37
FFForeverwhat is a good ftp server?23:37
billybigriggerim trying out scp23:38
FFForeveri am thinking of proftpd with the mysql mod23:38
billybigriggeri've been told its alot more secure than ftp23:38
FFForeverbillybigrigger, this is for a client not me personally23:38
billybigriggerahh23:38
FFForeverand yes it is...23:38
billybigriggeri used proftpd23:38
billybigriggerahh maybe you can help me then23:38
billybigriggerdo you use scp?23:38
FFForeveryeah23:38
FFForever;)23:38
billybigriggerim trying to move a file from my desktop "alixandra" to my server "cabo" the file is located in /var/www/www.tgz and im trying to put it on my server's /var/www23:39
billybigriggerbut get this errror23:39
billybigriggerbillybigrigger@alixandra:/var/www$ scp -p 2222 billybigrigger@cabo:/var/www/www.tgz /var/www/www.tgz23:39
billybigrigger/var/www/www.tgz: No such file or directory23:39
FFForeveri cheat i use gnome to do all of my scp ;)23:40
billybigriggercheater :P23:40
ajmitchbillybigrigger: it's scp <source> <destination>, so swap them round23:40
ajmitchassuming that you have write access to /var/www on the server as billybigrigger23:41
billybigriggerahh maybe thats the prob23:41
billybigriggerwrite perms, duh23:42
ajmitch"no such file or directory" was because you were trying to fetch www.tgz from your server, not copy to it23:42
billybigriggeri still get that error23:42
billybigriggerscp -p 2222 billybigrigger@cabo:/var/www/www.tgz /home/billybigrigger/www.tgz23:43
billybigriggertying to put the file in my ~/ on the server23:43
ajmitchcabo is the server?23:43
billybigriggeryes23:43
billybigriggerlook, i tried both ways23:44
billybigriggerbillybigrigger@alixandra:/var/www$ scp -p 2222 billybigrigger@cabo:/var/www/www.tgz /home/billybigrigger/www.tgz23:44
billybigrigger/home/billybigrigger/www.tgz: No such file or directory23:44
billybigriggerbillybigrigger@alixandra:/var/www$ scp -p 2222 billybigrigger@cabo:/home/billybigrigger/www.tgz /var/www/www.tgz23:44
billybigrigger/var/www/www.tgz: No such file or directory23:44
ajmitchif so, and you have /var/www/www/tgz on the local computer, scp -p2222 /var/www/www.tgz billybigrigger@cabo:/home/billybigrigger/www.tgz23:44
billybigriggerahhh23:44
billybigriggermy bad :P23:44
oh_noesIf i was shuttdown Ubuntu server to image it (for Ghost like deployment) .. what things should I clean up on the first reboot?23:45
billybigriggerwtf23:45
oh_noesI have a script which runs once then deletes itself, which cleans out the local ssh host keys23:45
billybigriggerssh: connect to host cabo port 22: No route to host23:45
adaptroh_noes: /etc/network/interfaces, /root, /var/log, and any stuff lying around /home23:51
oh_noesit's DHCP, so thats identical23:52
oh_noeshow do I clear out all files including hidden files from /root?23:52
billybigriggeranyone aware of what file or directory i need to copy a mysql db?23:54
billybigriggeri setup a new box last night, it has apache/mysql/php setup right now23:54
billybigriggeri have copied over my /var/www from this machine to the new machine, now i just need to copy the db info over, how would i go about that?23:54
fbc-mxbillybigrigger, I would do a command-line export then scp them all to the new machine.23:55
fbc-mxbillybigrigger, then of course do command line import..23:56
ajmitchmysqldump, then create a new db on the server with mysqladmin, import with mysql23:56
fbc-mxbillybigrigger, there is a way from the mysql command line to tell it to include the create DB line in the export file.23:56
* ajmitch doesn't find it too onerous to use mysqladmin to create one23:57
fbc-mxajmitch, importing DB does not work very well with phpmyadmin when they are over like 20 megs which is why I highly recommend learning and using the command line mysql.23:57
ajmitchfbc-mx: which is what I'm suggesting as well23:58
* ajmitch never mentioned phpmyadmin23:58
* fbc-mx opps23:58
billybigriggerthe db's aren't that big23:58
billybigriggervery small, i have 1 setup for roundcube which is my webmail, and also drupal, but both are very young23:58
fbc-mxbillybigrigger, then you might get away with using phpmyadmin.. but like I said I've run into problems before with it...23:59
billybigriggerno biggy, i'd loose my current emails and have to re-config drupal...23:59
billybigriggerahh, i didn't even think about getting dovecot/postfix going first...23:59
billybigriggergeez...what a pita23:59

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