[00:20] <quizme> hi, what's so great about 9.04?  Is it worth switching to?
[00:21] <giovani> quizme: haha
[00:21] <giovani> newer packages
[00:21] <giovani> as always
[00:21] <Rafael__> what is better for connecting my windows computer to my ubuntu server...i have samba installe and i read that you can do either smb or cifs?
[00:21] <jmedina> Rafael__: smb is the old protocol
[00:22] <jmedina> cifs is the smb evolution
[00:22] <giovani> CIFS > SMB, essentially
[00:22] <giovani> they're the same product, just a newer revision
[00:24] <quizme> what's CIFS ?
[00:24] <quizme> and SMB ?
[00:24] <giovani> google
[00:24] <giovani> they're file protocols
[00:24] <Rafael__> Any of you guys know a good how to to coneect my windows client to ubuntu server?
[00:25] <giovani> Rafael__: when in doubt, check the ubuntu.com website: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[00:39] <Rafael__> giovani: Thanks for the link. any godd or easy to follow instructions?
[00:46] <giovani> Rafael__: huh?
[00:48] <Rafael__> giovani: sorry ....i was just asking if you knew any good and easy how to so i can follow ...
[00:49] <giovani> I linked you to one ... obviously
[00:51] <Rafael__> i saw it but do not knwo if this is what i need..evidently as you can see i am a newby
[00:51] <Rafael__> do you mind if i make some question andif you think is rigth for that link then i will follo it?
[00:52] <giovani> nope sorry, no time
[00:52] <Rafael__> ok..thank..
[00:57] <stevert> Rafael__
[00:57] <stevert> what is it you need help with ?
[00:59] <Rafael__> stevert: i am trying to connect my windows client computer (4) to my ubuntu server. i did installed SAMBA a long time ago, but had really not use it
[01:00] <stevert> well
[01:00] <stevert> Rafael__
[01:00] <stevert> run
[01:00] <stevert> atp-get purge samba just so we can start fresh
[01:01] <Rafael__> let me ask you..i was confuse about the cisf and smb..are this two part of samba?
[01:01] <Rafael__> rgotten
[01:02] <stevert> here look
[01:03] <stevert> Rafael__
[01:03] <stevert> just follow this
[01:03] <stevert> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/install-samba-server-on-ubuntu/
[01:06] <Rafael__> stevert: so what will be the difrrence on cisf and smb?
[01:07] <stevert> not exactley surer, ive used smb and it works fine
[01:09] <Rafael__> Stevert: i also need to understand the following..if on server i have restricted areas to some computers and other to be accesible by everybody..were do you do this?
[01:16] <stevert> Rafael__
[01:16] <stevert> well
[01:16] <stevert> not sure,
[01:16] <stevert> lol
[01:38] <quizme> should i use ubuntu 8.04 for my server? or 9.04 ?
[01:39] <giovani> that's up to you
[01:51] <oh_noes> is there a doc on installing Ubuntu Server on a LVM Software RAID1?
[01:51] <oh_noes> i tried to do it in the 8.04 Installer, creating an LVM on each disk, then creating / and swap on the new logical volumes
[01:52] <oh_noes> but now I'm in the OS, and mdadm isnt installed so query it ... so I'm not sure whats actually doing the RAID1
[01:52] <oh_noes> that ... and it installed LILO as the boot loader, which is causing it to take +2 minutes to extract and boot
[01:52] <Sam-I-Am> did you make an xfs boot partition?
[01:53] <Sam-I-Am> grub cant boot xfs
[01:53] <Sam-I-Am> and possibly other filesystems
[01:53] <oh_noes> no, ext3
[01:54] <oh_noes> so did the installer create me a DM LVM?
[01:54] <oh_noes> and im assuming I don't have RAID yet?
[01:54] <oh_noes> Im confused, all I wanted was Ubuntu Server installed on both system disks as RAID1 ...
[01:54] <twb> d-i will use lilo if it decides that your /boot isn't accessible to grub.
[01:54] <twb> In particular, that is the case if you put /boot inside RAID5 and/or LVM.
[01:55] <twb> You can put /boot on a RAID1; I typically have a separate 3-node RAID1 /boot, and the rest as RAID5.
[01:55] <Sam-I-Am> or you can just mirror two disks completely
[01:55] <twb> (Oh, and real hardware raid ought to be fine.  I speak above of md software raid)
[01:55] <oh_noes> so whats the current status of my system?  Was I wrong to create a two DM's in LVM for / and swap
[01:55] <twb> Sam-I-Am: right.
[01:56] <oh_noes> I dont have mdadm atm, so I'm assuming I dont actually have RAID1 running atm?
[01:56] <Sam-I-Am> were you running the installer at the time?
[01:56] <twb> oh_noes: if /proc/mdstat is gone/empty, you are not using md software raid.
[01:56] <Sam-I-Am> or doing this later...
[01:57] <oh_noes> I dont have real hardware raid, It's an Intel chip.  I want to use software RAID1
[01:57] <oh_noes> no mdstat ... i dont understand then ... I told the install to create an LVM with 2 disks.
[01:58] <oh_noes> so the installer is so dumb that its created me an LVM of 2 disks mapped, without any RAID?
[01:59] <Sam-I-Am> well, if you're doing software raid + lvm, i believe you create raid partitions on each disk, tie them together for mirroring, and drop the lvm on
[01:59] <Sam-I-Am> its a few layers
[02:00] <nick58b> oh_noes: software raid 1 install docs: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/advanced-installation.html
[02:00] <oh_noes> is there one for 8.04?
[02:03] <nick58b> i'm not aware of official 8.04 docs, but i have a couple 8.04 servers running on it
[02:03] <nick58b> i don't remember what i followed
[02:04] <oh_noes> I think I found a doc to do it
[02:04] <oh_noes> seems as if in my instlaled, I used "use device for LVM"
[02:04] <oh_noes> assuming LVM = Mirror, when I should have used "Use this device for RAID"
[02:04] <oh_noes> Can someone explain to me why someone would use a device for LVM and NOT want it for RAID?
[02:06] <nick58b> resizing with lvm is easier than resizing regular partitions
[02:13] <giovani> oh_noes: LVM is far more flexible
[02:13] <giovani> far
[02:13] <giovani> resizing is the main reason
[02:21] <twb> If you want LVM on md RAID, you currently need to hold d-i partman's hand through the whole process.
[02:21] <twb> There is no guided recipe for it.
[02:21] <twb> giovani: and migrating LVs to a new PV when changing disks, and making snapshots for backup, etc.
[02:32] <oh_noes> twb: is it easier to just installed the OS on the first disk as normal, then mirror into the 2nd disk?
[02:32] <oh_noes> post install
[02:32] <twb> oh_noes: no, certainly not
[02:32] <oh_noes> that's pretty aweful then, hopefully partman improve on this
[02:32] <twb> Patches welcome!
[02:32] <oh_noes> youd like to think it's pretty standard to create a raid1 os mirror at install
[02:33] <twb> I would certainly appreciate "Use RAID1 and LVM on all my disks" and "Use RAID5 and LVM on all my disks" guided partitioning choices.
[02:34] <twb> The details get a bit hairy, though, because sysadmins are more likely to be picky about layout than someone choosing "just blow away my laptop's hard disk".
[02:42] <ScottK> lamont: It'd be nice to get Bug #348990 fixed (patch included).
[02:44] <ScottK> lamont: There are also quiet some bugs with ErrorMessage: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 75 in common.
[02:44] <ScottK> I haven't had a chance to look into that one at all, but it seems to be a not entirely unusual problem.
[02:46] <oh_noes> twb: they would definitely be nice additions to partman
[02:54] <lamont> ScottK: 348990 is fixed
[02:54] <ScottK> lamont: Cool.
[02:54] <lamont> mind you, nfc when
[02:55] <lamont> for the status 75 - I'd love to understand that bug
[02:55] <lamont> since I can't seem to reproduce it
[02:55] <lamont> EX_TEMPFAIL FTL
[04:45] <axisys> how do I see the grub menu and os console prompt on sun x4100's alom ?
[04:49] <axisys> on solaris i just have to set the screen and kbd to ttya using eeprom
[04:51] <axisys> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialConsoleHowto should this work for ALOM? i know it works for serial console
[06:06] <billybigrigger> can someone help me out here, i can't get php enabled in apache2, i looked in mods-enabled and php5.conf and php5.load are there
[06:06] <billybigrigger> but viewing my test.php file just asks to save the file
[06:51] <jmarsden> billybigrigger: sudo a2enmod php5 && sudo /etc/init/d/apache2 restart   # should be all that is needed?
[06:55] <billybigrigger> the mod is already enabled
[07:05] <jmarsden> billybigrigger: OK, I'll test here on a fresh apache2 and php5 install and see what else I have to do...
[07:22] <niels_> Howdy ;-)
[07:22] <jmarsden> Hi niels_
[07:22] <niels_> Hi jmarsden!How are things going?
[07:24] <jmarsden> Fine.  My updated sword package is in Debian unstable, soon to be followed by a couple of apps ... I'm finally seeing my packaging end up in Debian and Ubuntu, which is exciting :)
[07:28] <niels_> Good on ya, mate! I figured out yesterday, while installing Jaunty Server, that the RAID-Controller wasn't likely to work flawlessly and guess what the prob was...
[07:28] <rcsheets> that's really cool, jmarsden
[07:29] <jmarsden> niels_: It's FakeRAID after all?
[07:32] <niels_> jmarsden: nope, it's been a HW-RAID-6, BUT the Controller had a buggy Firmware, which was almost 1yr old and the manufacturer forgot to update the Firmware to the latest stable one. Grrr...we just bought the server 4weeks ago
[07:32] <jmarsden> rcsheets: Thanks!  Yes... one package I did (bibledit) is all the way into Debian testing and Ubuntu Karmic already... I'm starting to wonder about trying for UCD (Ubuntu Contributing Developer) status and then maybe MOTU... we'll see.
[07:32] <jmarsden> niels_: sigh.  Well, at least the fix is easy -- download and update the firmware, and then rebuild the array all over again... right?
[07:34] <niels_> yep...
[07:34] <niels_> I am just rebuilding the array...and my boss is quite happy ;-)
[07:35] <jmarsden> billybigrigger: OK, I duplicated the behaviour you are seeing... nwo to figure out what I change to make PHP work as expected... I've done this before... and it is something simple.
[07:46] <jmarsden> billybigrigger: Found it at last.  You need to enable ExecCGI in the Options line
[07:48] <jmarsden> Apparently Ubuntu defaults for /var/www/html are reasonably secure :)
[08:31] <error404notfound> anybody ever installed google site map generator here?
[08:46] <thefish> anyone know of a way to keep 2 directories in sync in close to real time? ie rsync/unison on a cron is not quick enough..
[08:52] <henkjan> use central storage
[09:13] <owh> I have a hair brained idea that I'd like to discuss. A small start-up client needs file and print services. They have 5 employees who are mostly on the road. I'm entertaining the idea of providing them with a virtual server which runs a VPN which when connected allows the employees to connect to samba where their files live...
[09:14] <owh> While the client hopes to grow to 20 employees in the next 24 months, I cannot justify advising them to buy a server, buy bandwidth, ups, etc and have a person on call to maintain a physical box. Any comments?
[09:30] <_ruben> owh: how'd print services workout while being on the road? :P
[09:30] <owh> I asked that question - they didn't much care :)
[09:31] <owh> The actual response was: "Why would we want to print if we're not going to be able to pick it up from the printer?"
[09:32] <_ruben> so they do want to print at the office i guess, so they'd need a print server there
[09:33] <_ruben> and if the fileserver isnt at the office, and the office is on low-bandwidth, their fileserver will be slow @ the office as well
[09:34] <owh> There is a network printer in the office. As for slow network speed in the office. It won't be LAN speeds, sure -- but as more and more users start using it remotely, their internet connectivity bill will keep going up.
[09:34] <owh> Not to mention hardware costs, infrastructure, etc.
[09:36] <owh> I suppose I'm trying to get a feel for if this is a really smart way of solving their problem, or if my name is going to be mud because I've chosen a solution that makes every man and their dog scratch their head.
[09:37] <_ruben> aside from the (possible) performance issues, the setup you described sounds fair enough :)
[09:37] <owh> I figure that if they host a VPS, I can also backup their data to another VPS within the hosting server, rather than needing to come up with an off-site backup solution.
[09:37] <owh> s/hosting server/hosting provider/
[09:38] <owh> There is one snake in the grass...
[09:38] <_ruben> that's what you for living down-under ;)
[09:38] <_ruben> +get
[09:39] <owh> One of their "must have" applications is a windows application. I am contemplating running a terminal server/vnc to a virtual machine that runs that application for the users that need it. It's their accounting software.
[09:40] <owh> I'm not liking that much, but I cannot think of any other way of doing it.
[09:40] <_ruben> it needs to be on a central place?
[09:40] <owh> I've made plenty of vmware terminal servers, you connect, it fires up a vmware instance of windows, launches the application, magic.
[09:40] <owh> Yes, it needs to be central.
[09:41] <owh> The application is really pretty poor in terms of network access. I wouldn't want it to talk to its database across a vpn.
[09:41] <owh> I could rsync the database, but that's hardly "live".
[09:42] <_ruben> and wouldnt work (well) for large db combined with low bandwidth
[09:42] <owh> Yeah, my datafile for that application is 23Mb for 10 years of data. Not too huge, but not trivial either.
[09:43] <owh> Even if we put a server on their LAN, the access to that application still needs to be remote.
[09:43] <owh> I really, really don't want to put in a windows sbs with terminal services.
[09:44] <owh> If it comes to that, I'll hand it to a Windows mob to do the work and run away.
[09:44] <_ruben> windows 2008's terminal server features are kinda nice ;)
[09:44] <owh> Sure, all except for the Windows part of it.
[09:44] <_ruben> true ;)
[09:45] <_ruben> wine + vnc then ;)
[09:45] <owh> I mean, I could make a full-time job just understanding and applying windows patches. I have better things to do.
[09:45] <jmarsden> If they can live with "one user at a time" access to that app, you could put a Windows desktop in their office and allow RDP to it over a VPN.  Maybe?  Do they *need* true multiuser accounting for a 5 person company?
[09:46] <owh> Haven't tried wine lately, but last time I tried, about 12 months ago, it was crap with that application.
[09:46] <owh> That's an interesting idea jmarsden.
[09:46] <simplexio> owh: wine has come a long way sincce last year
[09:46] <jmarsden> Saves cost, and if the whole virtual world falls down, they still have an office windows box with their accounting on it :)
[09:47] <owh> jmarsden: Mind you, then I have to maintain a VPN into the office and all the associated paraphernalia.
[09:47] <owh> simplexio: That's an astute observation.
[09:47] <jmarsden> Well, you're maintaining a VPN to every single travelling user anyway...
[09:48] <owh> Yeah, but you're suggesting an *additional* VPN.
[09:48] <owh> Imagine the confusion :)
[09:49] <owh> I mean, they don't even have AV software at present :)
[09:49] <jmarsden> Yes.  So you need a monowall router for maybe US$200 at the office?  Or give people remote access to that windows box via the server-in-the-sky... then it is only one VPN, the office is one moer client connecting (constantly!) to the server??
[09:49]  * owh shudders.
[09:50] <owh> That could work.
[09:51] <owh> It's not very scalable though.
[09:52] <jmarsden> No, but by the time they have 20 or whatever users they may have more $$ for a windows server, or Wine may be good enough to run the app up on the server by then...
[09:52] <owh> It does give real-time speed access to the local user though.
[09:52] <jmarsden> And the bookkeeper may be the one who travels the least?
[09:53] <owh> It's not that they don't have money for a windows server, it's that it didn't seem to make sense to go down that path given that they're going to be on the road for 1/3 of the time all around the globe.
[09:53] <owh> The company secretary is remote.
[09:53] <owh> The only local user would be the receptionist who would make about 10 transactions a week. The rest of the access is remote access reporting.
[09:54] <owh> wine + vnc sounds like a really interesting idea. Less heavy than running a whole windows environment in a vps.
[09:56] <jmarsden> Sounds like you now have some feasibility experiments to conduct :)
[09:57] <owh> I figure, $500 or so for a VPS, $1k for my time, they're done for about $1.5k -- if it grows, add $500. Going down the windows path is $2k for a server, $1k for licenses, $1k for me, $1k for Internet.
[09:57] <owh> Feasibility indeed. Testing is in order.
[09:57] <owh> I wonder if anyone already has a turnkey one :)
[09:58] <owh> In my fantasy I can use google sso to manage users and access, but I suspect I'm dreaming :)
[09:58] <BrixSat> Hi :)
[09:58] <BrixSat> i have installed using tasksel the xubuntu desktop, and how can i disable it from autostart?
[09:59] <owh> BrixSat: How is this related to a ubuntu server?
[09:59] <_ruben> ask the xubuntu ppl
[09:59] <BrixSat> :)
[09:59] <_ruben> x != server
[09:59] <owh> _ruben: That's only true if server != osx :)
[10:00] <_ruben> hehe
[10:00] <BrixSat> thanks guys :)
[10:00] <_ruben> but update-rc.d is probably what you are looking for .. and/or possibly some entry in /etc/defaults/
[10:01] <owh> So, if I run samba on the VPS, I'm thinking that I bind it to the lo interface and only provide access via eth0 internally - ie, authenticate via VPN of choice, map internally to lo?
[10:02] <owh> Or am I thinking wrong?
[10:03] <_ruben> depending on the vpn software of choice, you might have a tun/tap/etc interface to bind to .. and with proper firewalling, the binding doesnt really matter all that much
[10:03] <BrixSat> _ruben,  Are those files in /etc ?
[10:03] <owh> I'm going to be having XP and Vista clients mostly, though I suspect I'll need to connect via my Ubuntu desktop :)
[10:03] <_ruben> update-rc.d is a command
[10:04] <_ruben> owh: openvpn comes to mind as first .. which would have a nice tun/tap device to bind to ;)
[10:05] <owh> _ruben: Does Doze already natively talk to openvpn, or do they need to install stuff?
[10:06] <NorthByNorthWest> Hi! I have a ubuntu server running with a SMB-shared folder. The desktop-ubuntu have two users that mount that folder to a local directory in the fstab. I need both users to have full access to edit, add and remove each others files in that share. Can I do that with chown g+s by ssh in that server? How?
[10:06] <NorthByNorthWest> (Win-clients will also access that folder... so thats why the smb-share)
[10:07] <_ruben> owh: install's required .. if you want to use the built-in vpn stuff, you need pptp or l2tp-over-ipsec
[10:07] <owh> _ruben: I'm guessing I'm going to have to do some reading :)
[10:07] <_ruben> or something like sslexplorer, which is a browser based thingie
[10:08] <owh> From a usability perspective, a bog-standard windows installation being able to connect would be a good thing. Even if there is pain for me.
[10:09]  * owh is very grateful for all the comments and advice. Much appreciated. When I've come up with a workable solution, I'll put it on the 'net for others to use. Tah.
[10:10] <owh> Oh crap, just looked at the clock -- gotta run, thanks all!
[10:19] <jovaro> is someone else also having problems with mysql after the latest update? I have 100% cpu usage from mysqld_safe
[10:19] <jmarsden> jovaro: That is a known issue... there's a bug in launchpad with tons of comments...
[10:20] <jovaro> aha, thanks. I'll have a look at that
[10:20] <jmarsden> jovaro: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-dfsg-5.0/+bug/105457
[10:21] <brixsat> how can i put ubuntu tu autoupdate all packages?
[10:21] <jovaro> ty jmarsden
[10:21] <jmarsden> jovaro: No problem.
[10:22] <NorthByNorthWest> still need help with chmod g+s for my server if anyone feels up to it!
[10:22] <jmarsden> brixsat: sudo apt-get install unattended-upgrades   # Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/automatic-updates.html
[10:24] <jmarsden> NorthByNorthWest: I think you just want to create a group, chmod 4770 the directory concerned, chown :thegroup the directory concerned,  and add the relevant users to that group ?
[10:26] <NorthByNorthWest> jmarsden: so i ssh into the server, create the group, chmod 4470 the shared directory, then 'chown :thegroup /the/directory'
[10:26] <NorthByNorthWest> jmarsden: and then create the same group on the desktop, add the users and then were good to go?
[10:27] <jmarsden> Ummm... add the same group on the desktop?  I don't follow.  The files are on the server and the users have account there, right?
[10:29] <jmarsden> You could, but I don't know that it is necessary.  and ity is 2:30am here so I should get some sleep and may be missing something about what you are trying to do... :)
[10:29] <NorthByNorthWest> well... the users have their accounts locally on the desktop... the server have a shared directory, working lika a NAS, basically...
[10:30] <jmarsden> Sounds reasonable, though I'm not sure what the group on the desktop(s) will buy you.  Try it and see :)
[10:31] <NorthByNorthWest> well... basically i need to make so that the shared server folder, mounted in fstab, acts like a shared folder for all users on this desktop... with unrestriced access to all files added to that folder...
[10:31] <NorthByNorthWest> should I do this by editing fstab instead?
[10:34] <jmarsden> I don't think so; you could tell samba to always write files in that folder as user X in its config file, if you need to.
[10:35] <NorthByNorthWest> by 'sudo nano /etc/samba/smb.conf'   ?
[10:36] <jmarsden> Sure.
[10:36] <jmarsden> And ... goodnight :)
[10:36] <NorthByNorthWest> ok... there seems to be pretty good explanatins embedded into that file!
[10:36] <NorthByNorthWest> thanks!
[10:36] <NorthByNorthWest> sweet dreams! :)
[10:40] <NorthByNorthWest> after editing /etc/samba/smb.conf i need to restart samba? How? can find anything that looks right in /etc/init.d/
[14:13] <SirStan> Whats the best way to backup to a remote host?
[14:16] <highvoltage> SirStan: put it in reverse and release the clutch slightly
[14:16] <highvoltage> SirStan: for desktops to a server, backuppc is nice
[14:17] <highvoltage> SirStan: I guess it depends what you want, if it's once-off you could use rsync
[14:17] <highvoltage> SirStan: backula is quite powerful if you need it
[16:45] <jbernard> kirkland: around?
[17:07] <kirkland> jbernard: yo
[17:17] <jbernard> kirkland: got a sec to talk about upstart/inotify? I've got some questions and thoughts
[17:39] <kirkland> jbernard: yessir
[17:40] <kirkland> jbernard: i'm working on a few things in parallel
[17:40] <kirkland> jbernard: we should bounce over to ubuntu-devel, in case we need keybuk
[18:18] <frojnd> After the build of kernel is complete, can I delte some files? Building the kernel has consequences, eating my space
[18:39] <al_paun> Hi there
[18:39] <al_paun> How do I know if my kernel is compiled with EXT3 XATTR option?
[18:46] <jmedina> al_paun: are you using default kernel?
[18:47] <jmedina> $ grep -i ext3 /boot/config-`uname -r`
[18:47] <jmedina> it returns something like this:
[18:47] <jmedina> CONFIG_EXT3_FS_XATTR=y
[18:50] <jmedina> anyone using php5 ever got a error like this:
[18:50] <jmedina> ALERT - linked list corrupt on efree() - heap corruption detected (attacker x.x.x.x...
[18:51] <jmedina> Im instaling vtiger CRM via the webinstaller, it fails whith that error
[18:51] <jmedina> am using hardy with apache2/apache2-mpm-prefork  and libapache2-mod-php5
[18:52] <resno> it sounds like you should contact vtiger.
[18:53] <jmedina> it installs in any other distro without problems :S
[18:53] <jmedina> I never saw that message about attacker
[18:53] <SirStan> jmedina: are you running suhosin?
[18:53] <jmedina> Im not sure if is related to hardened
[18:54] <jmedina> SirStan: I think so, I just installed libapache2=mod-php5
[18:57] <SirStan> thats a suhosin error
[18:58] <SirStan> not sure what the fix is thought
[18:58] <SirStan> -t
[18:58] <jmedina> SirStan: mmmmmm, do you know any workaround, I never had suhosin problems :S
[18:58] <jmedina> ok, I found somthing
[18:58] <SirStan> oh?
[19:00] <jmedina> php_admin_value suhosin.request.max_vars 500
[19:00] <jmedina> php_admin_value suhosin.post.max_vars 500
[19:02] <jmedina> SirStan: that problem did apache to use 99.9% cpu
[19:02] <jmedina> my sistem was at 100%us
[19:02] <jmedina> I did stop apache, but that specific child didnt die
[19:03] <jmedina> it worked
[19:03] <jmedina> ¬¬
[19:18] <frojnd> Hello there
[19:18] <frojnd> anyone here that has in a life time configured the kernel before build it?
[19:18] <frojnd> I'm the first timer here and as I look throgh those settings I think I won't be able to start building it since next week.. I have no idea what some stuff mean :S
[19:19] <frojnd> I know lspci tells me what hardware I have but I can't find any connection from xconfig
[19:19] <frojnd> ajaj
[19:20] <simplexio> frojnd: well.. you sont need to know all stuff thats is there, just things you want to change
[19:21] <simplexio> s/sont/dont
[19:21] <frojnd> simplexio: there is a lot of thigs already checked..
[19:21] <frojnd> I've already build it but then the build folder was like 3.3gb big
[19:21] <frojnd> and I only have 2.3gb after that left
[19:22] <frojnd> not enough for installing the modules and installing the kernel..
[19:23] <frojnd> simplexio: If  Ido lspci, there  I only have 21 things
[19:23] <frojnd> ok ISDN  I don't need
[19:23] <frojnd> that's I'm quite sure
[19:24] <simplexio> intresting.. havent notice before that ready compiled kernel source dir takes 4.7G
[19:24] <simplexio> that probably explains where all my lost disk space is
[19:24] <frojnd> aha :D
[19:25] <frojnd> What is Virtualization used for?
[19:25] <simplexio> not 100% sure, but is for guest kernels
[19:26] <frojnd> so I don't need it
[19:26] <simplexio> or its host part support for some faster stuff
[19:26] <jmedina> frojnd: there is a lot of reasons, principally server consolidation, and maximum resource usage
[19:26] <simplexio> its a server ? , then you dont need oss/alsa stuff
[19:27] <frojnd> it's not a server (this one is a destkop) but I'm asking here since I had good experience while configuring the server
[19:27] <frojnd> and because of good guys here :P
[19:28] <simplexio> and a lot less people than in #ubuntu
[19:28] <frojnd> simplexio: yep :)
[19:28] <simplexio> frojnd: you can do stuff like remove all 100Mb network support if you have gigabit cards etc
[19:29] <frojnd> simplexio: actually I have 100mb card
[19:29] <frojnd> which is currently fried.. so instead I just use usb card
[19:29] <frojnd> sub ethernet card
[19:29] <frojnd> and integrated wifi card
[19:30] <frojnd> but maybe I'll buy also usb wifi card with external antena
[19:30] <frojnd> so for network I'm pretty sure I d on't need a bunch of sruff..
[19:32] <frojnd> ...what's bothering me is that I don't know how big is some driver..
[19:32] <frojnd> arh
[19:33] <simplexio> not that big, but i think every supported card is compiled as module if you use standart ubuntu config as base
[19:34] <frojnd> cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) .config && yes "" | make oldconfig
[19:34] <frojnd> while I'm in /usr/src/linux-2.6.29.4/ directory
[19:34] <frojnd> so it copies the old config
[19:34] <frojnd> from old one to the new..
[19:35] <frojnd> and I don't need so much of a old one
[19:36] <simplexio> its little bloat way to make config
[19:38] <frojnd> if my processor is core duo
[19:38] <frojnd> intel
[19:38] <frojnd> I don't have to had all the settings enabled yes?
[19:38] <frojnd> just support for more than one cpus
[19:39] <frojnd> and I need to select the right model
[19:39] <frojnd> right?
[19:41] <frojnd> Hm..
[19:42] <frojnd> how can I determine processor familly if I have vendor_id: GenuineIntel, cpu cores: 2, model name: Genuine Intel(R) CPU           T2250  @ 1.73GHz ?
[19:42] <frojnd> Currently is set to: 586/K5/5x86/6x86/6x86MX (M586)
[19:43] <simplexio> uu
[19:43] <simplexio> its is there anything newer ?
[19:44] <simplexio> i think there selection for code duo
[19:45] <frojnd> If I cat /proc/cpuinfo I get cpu family 6
[19:45] <frojnd> simplexio: current settings is ok?
[19:46] <frojnd> 586/K5/5x86/6x86/6x86MX (M586)
[19:46] <frojnd> 586/K5/5x86/6x86/6x86MX (M586)
[19:46] <simplexio> i have no idea whats is right for your processor, i run opteron
[19:46] <frojnd> ups
[19:46] <frojnd> hm
[19:53] <frojnd> Ok.. where can I get info what chipset is using my cpu? what intel chip is using my cpu?
[19:54] <jmedina> frojnd: probably with hwinfo
[19:54] <jmedina> or dmidecode
[19:56] <frojnd> let me check
[19:57] <frojnd> Family: Pentium M
[20:21] <frojnd> Hm.. I'm at the PCI support. What laptops usualy have for PCI access mode: bios, mmconfig, direct, or olpc ?
[20:24] <jbernard> kirkland: after talking with Keybuk, I think it might be a good idea to implement the cron @reboot option so we have a solution for karmic
[20:26] <jbernard> that way we can make the choice to integrate with upstart depending the remaining time
[20:51] <jcastro> mathiaz: any burning issues for today? I am still catching up from UDS.
[20:51] <jcastro> mathiaz: if you could send along those profiles you were going through at the session that would be great
[20:51] <mathiaz> jcastro: hey - nope
[20:51] <mathiaz> jcastro: sure - I'll probably update the ServerTeam wiki pages
[20:51] <mathiaz> jcastro: I've already posted the notes in the blueprint
[20:52] <jcastro> oh ok, checking, thanks!
[20:52] <mathiaz> jcastro: the next step is to update one of the wiki page (either GettingInvolved or KnowledgeBase)
[20:52] <mathiaz> jcastro: (probably the latter - as it may be overwhelming information for a newcommer)
[20:53] <jcastro> nod
[20:53] <mathiaz> jcastro: I've got nothing else to report/discuss
[20:53] <jcastro> nor me
[20:53] <jcastro> hugs!
[20:53] <mathiaz> jcastro: :) - we'll catch next week
[20:53] <mathiaz> jcastro: :) - we'll catch *up* next week
[20:54] <jcastro> sure
[20:56] <ajmitch> hi mathiaz, jcastro :)
[21:13] <jcastro> hi ajmitch!
[21:14] <GullyFoyle> wtf? i just discovered my version ov vi doesn't have syntax highlighting
[21:15] <ajmitch> install vim-full
[21:15] <ajmitch> or at least vim instead of vim-tiny
[21:15]  * ajmitch can't remember if -full drags in the gtk/gnome versions
[21:15] <GullyFoyle> are you saying my "vim" is tiny?
[21:16] <ajmitch> I am
[21:16] <ajmitch> Sorry
[21:17] <greenfly> it's how you use vim that matters
[21:18] <GullyFoyle> so vim-full is all those versions like vim-perl, vim-python etc. rolled inti ine?
[21:18] <GullyFoyle> *into one
[21:18] <jcastro> you want "vim"
[21:20] <GullyFoyle> ah ok that worked. ajmitch was right, i had a tiny vim.
[21:21] <jcastro> isn't there enough room on the server cd for normal vim?
[21:35] <frojnd> How can I get info if I have IDE cables or SCSI in my laptop. dmidecode doesn't say anything about IDE or SCSI ?
[21:35] <frojnd> Any ideas?
[21:37] <giovani|work> frojnd: SCSI? laptops don't use SCSI
[21:37] <giovani|work> do you mean SATA or IDE? the kernel will detect that
[21:37] <frojnd> giovani|work: I'm ocnfiguring custom kernel, that's why I'm asking...
[21:37] <frojnd> so no SCSI enabled in custom kernel
[21:40] <frojnd> giovani|work: does latptops have PCMCIA SCSI adapters?
[21:40] <frojnd> or SCSI device handlers?
[21:47] <Sam-I-Am> frojnd: why are you compiling a custom kernel?
[22:05] <frojnd> Sam-I-Am: since mac80211 is supported under 2.6.29 kernel....
[22:05] <frojnd> I'm at the Device drivers-> Network Device support -> Wireless LAN. My wireless card is broadcom bcm43xx integrated into laptop. Can I safe enable just for this card or any other? Can I then still put into my laptop usb/wifi cards? And they would be recognized? Or I have to check under Wilerelss LAN section for usb wifi cards?
[22:07] <Sam-I-Am> you'd need to add everything you might need as a module
[22:07] <Sam-I-Am> so here's a thought
[22:07] <Sam-I-Am> grab the config from the latest ubuntu kernel
[22:08] <Sam-I-Am> make oldconfig in the new source
[22:08] <Sam-I-Am> then add the one driver you need
[22:08] <Sam-I-Am> whole lot easier than trying to figure out whats all going on in the kernel... especially with laptops.
[22:08] <frojnd> Sam-I-Am: hm..
[22:08] <Sam-I-Am> i think karmic uses .29
[22:08] <Sam-I-Am> so you can just grab that kernel
[22:09] <frojnd> cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) .config && yes "" | make oldconfig
[22:09] <frojnd> this copies the old settings into new kernel I've downloaded right?
[22:10] <Sam-I-Am> pretty much
[22:10] <frojnd> if I'm in /usr/src/linux-2.6.29.4/
[22:10] <frojnd> but when I do xconfig
[22:10] <frojnd> Man I tell you... most of the things are enabled..
[22:10] <frojnd> so ubuntu by default enables tons of thing that I don't need
[22:10] <Sam-I-Am> eh
[22:11] <Sam-I-Am> you're better off not screwing with that stuff
[22:11] <Sam-I-Am> unless you really know what you're doing
[22:11] <frojnd> Sam-I-Am: if I build this kernel...
[22:11] <frojnd> It's like 3.3gb big..
[22:11] <Sam-I-Am> most everything is modular these days... completely unused unless its needed
[22:11] <Sam-I-Am> the kernel is probably a few megs when its done
[22:11] <frojnd> I don't know from where if original or factory kernel is about few MB...
[22:11] <Sam-I-Am> the source tree is huge, yes
[22:12] <Sam-I-Am> but the compiled kernel is small
[22:12] <Sam-I-Am> karmic is at .30
[22:12] <Sam-I-Am> http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/linux-image
[22:12] <Sam-I-Am> you can dpkg -i one of those
[22:12] <frojnd> Sam-I-Am: wait...
[22:12] <MTecknology> I have a problem... The Drupal repo is horribly out of date...
[22:13] <frojnd> if I do du -hs du -hs /usr/src/linux-2.6.29.4/
[22:13] <frojnd> sorry
[22:13] <frojnd> just du -hs /usr/src/linux-2.6.29.4/
[22:13] <frojnd> I get a size of 3.3gb
[22:13] <Sam-I-Am> and so thats the source and perhaps objects if you compiled it
[22:13] <frojnd> Sam-I-Am: this is the new kernel right?
[22:14] <frojnd> or it's not? :S
[22:14] <Sam-I-Am> that would be the source code for the kernel
[22:14] <Sam-I-Am> whether or not you turn things on and off does not change that size
[22:14] <Sam-I-Am> it just changes what gets compiled into the kernel
[22:14] <MTecknology> Anyone know of an up-to-date ppa for drupal in ubuntu?
[22:14] <frojnd> Sam-I-Am: but I still need it...
[22:14] <Sam-I-Am> still need what?
[22:14] <frojnd> Sam-I-Am: I mean it eat's my space
[22:14] <frojnd> I only have 8gb
[22:14] <Sam-I-Am> you dont need the source after you're done compiling
[22:15] <Sam-I-Am> you should follow the ubuntu/debian way of building the kernel otherwise you'll lose the headers and whatnot... then you cant add modules later
[22:15] <Sam-I-Am> which is why in the end its just better to use the prepackaged kernel
[22:15] <frojnd> Sam-I-Am: no in my case not..
[22:16] <frojnd> Sam-I-Am: I build the kernel I only have 1.5gb left
[22:16] <frojnd> then I try to install the modules..
[22:16] <frojnd> on my surprise I can't since no space left...
[22:16] <frojnd> is it a way to isntallem somwhere else?
[22:16] <Sam-I-Am> well, thats a problem
[22:16] <frojnd> or can I build a kernel somwere else than on / ?
[22:17] <Sam-I-Am> sure
[22:17] <Sam-I-Am> it doesnt care
[22:17] <frojnd> really?
[22:17] <Sam-I-Am> but i still cant figure out why you're building a kernel
[22:17] <frojnd> I mean can I mount a partition?
[22:17] <Sam-I-Am> sure
[22:17] <Sam-I-Am> or symlink it
[22:18] <frojnd> Sam-I-Am: let say /dev/sda5 has 20gb left...
[22:18] <Sam-I-Am> is it already mounted somewhere?
[22:19] <frojnd> no but  Ican mount it right away
[22:20] <Sam-I-Am> so copy all the junk in /usr/src/linux-* to it, then mount it on /usr/src
[22:20] <Sam-I-Am> or some variant
[22:21] <frojnd> Sam-I-Am: wait..
[22:21] <frojnd> I mounted /dev/sda5 to /mnt
[22:21] <frojnd> it's not empty partition...
[22:23] <frojnd> now I have to copy /usr/src/linux-* to /mnt/new_dir/ ?
[22:24] <Sam-I-Am> yes
[22:24] <frojnd> ok done
[22:26] <frojnd> now I have to type make in that folder?
[22:26] <Sam-I-Am> uh
[22:26] <Sam-I-Am> you should really be using the debian way to build a kernel so you get packages
[22:27] <frojnd> erm..
[22:27] <frojnd> but I'm not :)
[22:27] <Sam-I-Am> i noticed
[22:27] <Sam-I-Am> and you're going to have a mess
[22:27] <frojnd> so how can I build kernel in this new direcoty?
[22:27] <Sam-I-Am> the same way you would in the other directory
[22:27] <frojnd> and after it's complete
[22:27] <Sam-I-Am> then you install it
[22:28] <frojnd> can I install modules in that directory?
[22:28] <Sam-I-Am> no
[22:28] <Sam-I-Am> the installation goes in /
[22:28] <Sam-I-Am> in various places
[22:28] <Sam-I-Am> but that part is small
[22:28] <frojnd> Sam-I-Am: ok.. but how can I tell the linux to do that
[22:28] <frojnd> or it will figure it out
[22:28] <frojnd> and from /mnt/new_dir install it into / ?
[22:29] <Sam-I-Am> should
[22:31] <jmedina> frojnd: did you read the README file in sources tree?
[22:32] <frojnd> jmedina: no
[22:32] <jmedina> there is an example how to build a kernel in another directory
[22:32] <jmedina> frojnd: that is the fist place :P
[22:32] <kirkland> jbernard: yes, definitely
[22:32] <kirkland> jbernard: definitely -> cron @reboot
[22:32] <frojnd> jmedina: readme in source file
[22:32] <frojnd> let me check
[22:33] <jbernard> kirkland: ok cool, otherwise we'd be at the mercy of Keybuk's time schedule ;)
[22:33] <kirkland> jbernard: heh ;-)  yeah
[22:33] <kirkland> jbernard: i'll take a look at it this week or next
[22:33] <kirkland> jbernard: sorry, my focus has been very divided today
[22:33] <jbernard> no worries
[22:33] <jbernard> you mean the cron update?
[22:34] <jbernard> i can hack that out if you like
[22:34] <kirkland> jbernard: yeah, that would be great
[22:34] <jbernard> so, here's a thought...
[22:34] <kirkland> jbernard: btw, do you have any outstanding merge proposals that I've missed?
[22:35] <jbernard> if we integrate with upstart, the essentially precludes debian from including this package in their distros unless they make the leap to upstart
[22:35] <jbernard> prehaps we should have a cron/@reboot option in addition to upstart integration
[22:35] <kirkland> jbernard: fair enough
[22:35] <jbernard> no merge proposals pending
[22:37] <jbernard> kirkland: ok cool, ill try and get the cron stuff in there as soon as i can carve out some time, hopefully this weekend
[22:37] <kirkland> jbernard: sounds great
[23:37] <FFForever> what is a good ftp server?
[23:38] <billybigrigger> im trying out scp
[23:38] <FFForever> i am thinking of proftpd with the mysql mod
[23:38] <billybigrigger> i've been told its alot more secure than ftp
[23:38] <FFForever> billybigrigger, this is for a client not me personally
[23:38] <billybigrigger> ahh
[23:38] <FFForever> and yes it is...
[23:38] <billybigrigger> i used proftpd
[23:38] <billybigrigger> ahh maybe you can help me then
[23:38] <billybigrigger> do you use scp?
[23:38] <FFForever> yeah
[23:38] <FFForever> ;)
[23:39] <billybigrigger> im trying to move a file from my desktop "alixandra" to my server "cabo" the file is located in /var/www/www.tgz and im trying to put it on my server's /var/www
[23:39] <billybigrigger> but get this errror
[23:39] <billybigrigger> billybigrigger@alixandra:/var/www$ scp -p 2222 billybigrigger@cabo:/var/www/www.tgz /var/www/www.tgz
[23:39] <billybigrigger> /var/www/www.tgz: No such file or directory
[23:40] <FFForever> i cheat i use gnome to do all of my scp ;)
[23:40] <billybigrigger> cheater :P
[23:40] <ajmitch> billybigrigger: it's scp <source> <destination>, so swap them round
[23:41] <ajmitch> assuming that you have write access to /var/www on the server as billybigrigger
[23:41] <billybigrigger> ahh maybe thats the prob
[23:42] <billybigrigger> write perms, duh
[23:42] <ajmitch> "no such file or directory" was because you were trying to fetch www.tgz from your server, not copy to it
[23:42] <billybigrigger> i still get that error
[23:43] <billybigrigger> scp -p 2222 billybigrigger@cabo:/var/www/www.tgz /home/billybigrigger/www.tgz
[23:43] <billybigrigger> tying to put the file in my ~/ on the server
[23:43] <ajmitch> cabo is the server?
[23:43] <billybigrigger> yes
[23:44] <billybigrigger> look, i tried both ways
[23:44] <billybigrigger> billybigrigger@alixandra:/var/www$ scp -p 2222 billybigrigger@cabo:/var/www/www.tgz /home/billybigrigger/www.tgz
[23:44] <billybigrigger> /home/billybigrigger/www.tgz: No such file or directory
[23:44] <billybigrigger> billybigrigger@alixandra:/var/www$ scp -p 2222 billybigrigger@cabo:/home/billybigrigger/www.tgz /var/www/www.tgz
[23:44] <billybigrigger> /var/www/www.tgz: No such file or directory
[23:44] <ajmitch> if so, and you have /var/www/www/tgz on the local computer, scp -p2222 /var/www/www.tgz billybigrigger@cabo:/home/billybigrigger/www.tgz
[23:44] <billybigrigger> ahhh
[23:44] <billybigrigger> my bad :P
[23:45] <oh_noes> If i was shuttdown Ubuntu server to image it (for Ghost like deployment) .. what things should I clean up on the first reboot?
[23:45] <billybigrigger> wtf
[23:45] <oh_noes> I have a script which runs once then deletes itself, which cleans out the local ssh host keys
[23:45] <billybigrigger> ssh: connect to host cabo port 22: No route to host
[23:51] <adaptr> oh_noes: /etc/network/interfaces, /root, /var/log, and any stuff lying around /home
[23:52] <oh_noes> it's DHCP, so thats identical
[23:52] <oh_noes> how do I clear out all files including hidden files from /root?
[23:54] <billybigrigger> anyone aware of what file or directory i need to copy a mysql db?
[23:54] <billybigrigger> i setup a new box last night, it has apache/mysql/php setup right now
[23:54] <billybigrigger> i have copied over my /var/www from this machine to the new machine, now i just need to copy the db info over, how would i go about that?
[23:55] <fbc-mx> billybigrigger, I would do a command-line export then scp them all to the new machine.
[23:56] <fbc-mx> billybigrigger, then of course do command line import..
[23:56] <ajmitch> mysqldump, then create a new db on the server with mysqladmin, import with mysql
[23:56] <fbc-mx> billybigrigger, there is a way from the mysql command line to tell it to include the create DB line in the export file.
[23:57]  * ajmitch doesn't find it too onerous to use mysqladmin to create one
[23:57] <fbc-mx> ajmitch, importing DB does not work very well with phpmyadmin when they are over like 20 megs which is why I highly recommend learning and using the command line mysql.
[23:58] <ajmitch> fbc-mx: which is what I'm suggesting as well
[23:58]  * ajmitch never mentioned phpmyadmin
[23:58]  * fbc-mx opps
[23:58] <billybigrigger> the db's aren't that big
[23:58] <billybigrigger> very small, i have 1 setup for roundcube which is my webmail, and also drupal, but both are very young
[23:59] <fbc-mx> billybigrigger, then you might get away with using phpmyadmin.. but like I said I've run into problems before with it...
[23:59] <billybigrigger> no biggy, i'd loose my current emails and have to re-config drupal...
[23:59] <billybigrigger> ahh, i didn't even think about getting dovecot/postfix going first...
[23:59] <billybigrigger> geez...what a pita