[02:48] CISO does not run? what am I doing wrong? [02:49] I used apt-get to install, I see it in my bin folder but nothing happens when I try to open it [03:13] anyone here? [03:14] does xubuntu support plug and play [03:19] of what? [03:22] camera [03:22] ? [03:22] usb? [03:22] yup [03:22] probably then [03:22] I haven't had trouble w/ any of my stuff [03:23] what about camcorders w/o plug and play [03:23] as in need a driver from a cd? [03:23] will windows driver disk work? [03:24] no, either linux has the driver for it or it won't work [03:24] ouh [03:24] thaks [03:24] thanks [03:24] win drivers don't work unless you mess with them and then they are linux drivers technically [03:25] 1 last question [03:25] so if pnp then yes but if not then maybe [03:25] where can i look for the drivers? [03:25] if someone wrote code to support it, it's already included in the kernel [03:25] thanks Sheep [03:25] I had no clue [03:26] unless it's some closed-source code, then you might find it with system->hardware drivers [03:26] only used for short time but my stuff works [03:26] so can anybody tell me why ciso won't work? [03:27] so if i were to install xubuntu. i can just plug my internet via eternet? [03:28] sound drivers? [03:28] sorry lots of question [03:28] if the nic is supported then yes [03:28] audio card must be supported as well [03:28] sml1226: I think it's a command-ine tool [03:28] line [03:28] look around for compatability [03:29] mib_pbpdw2am: everything that works should work out of the box, or with some config changes [03:29] ok, I need to figure out how to use it then :( [03:29] sml1226: open a terminal and type 'ciso --help' [03:29] alright! thanks ppl [03:29] downloading now [03:29] ^^ [03:30] mib_pbpdw2am: ah, no drivers, but you will probably need to download codecs for movies and mp3 [03:30] !codecs [03:30] For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/musicvideophotos/C/video.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [03:30] TheSheep: same result as when i type ciso w/o --help [03:30] sml1226: that is? [03:30] Compressed ISO9660 converter Ver.1.01 by BOOSTER [03:30] Usage: ciso level infile outfile [03:30] level: 1-9 compress ISO to CSO (1=fast/large - 9=small/slow [03:30] 0 decompress CSO to ISO [03:31] that [03:31] it tells you how to use it [03:31] wow im dumb [03:31] thanks a lot [03:31] i should download this one rite xubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386.iso ?? [03:32] mib_pbpdw2am: yes [03:32] mib_pbpdw2am: unless you're low on ram [03:32] meaning? [03:33] mib_pbpdw2am: the graphical installer on that cd won't run very well with less than, say, 256MB of ram [03:33] TheSheep, it's working now. I just blanked out completely there. I would've figured it out eventually but thanks for the help [03:34] I am forced to go text based b/c 220MB ram [03:34] i think i have 256 - 8mb for shared memory [03:34] mib_pbpdw2am: then it's ok [03:34] kk [03:35] sml1226: actually it works with 196MB of ram, but it's slow then [03:36] live-cd crashes and won't move on on the ps3 [03:36] too little ram [03:37] have to use a alt-instal [03:37] on newer versions at least [03:37] ah, ps3 [03:37] it has a different cpu [03:38] yep not much ram but 2 3.2ghz cores (ppc-64 :( ) [03:38] it has so little ram? strange [03:38] my DS has 4MB :) [03:38] and runs linux :) [03:39] not X though [03:39] game sys not need much but os does, sony needs a "cell-os" that has been rumored [03:39] ds with linux? [03:39] cool crap [03:39] haha [03:39] yup [03:39] can psp do that [03:40] yes [03:40] but I never managed to do taht myself [03:40] full cell bbe support and the RSX chip if sony makes one but it will be restrictive i guarantee it [03:40] PSP one is hard to do [03:41] even now w/ stripped method [03:41] you need a cracked psp of course, but there is a linux image for it [03:41] my psp is 5.00 M33-6 right now [03:41] I'm putting my GOW UMD on the mem stick [03:43] thanks again guty [03:43] guys [03:43] gtg now [03:43] ^^ [03:44] next its spyro 3 for the ps1 [03:44] GOW is reason for CISO [03:51] Scroll wheel doesn't work? fixes? its usb if it makes a difference [03:52] what does xev say? [03:52] open terminal, run 'xev' and scroll the mouse over the window [03:52] !pastebin [03:52] pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [03:57] http://paste.ubuntu.com/187871/ [03:58] hello, anyone have a minute? [03:58] whatcha need? [03:58] trying to figure out why my xubuntu is running slow =/ [03:58] i installed it on a ext3 partition [03:58] and added a 4 gig swap space partition [03:59] my specs are 1.6 ghz and 2 gigs of ram [03:59] sml1226: can't see any button/scrollwheel events :/ [03:59] should be fast as lightning [03:59] I know nothing is there so ??? [03:59] maybe see what takes all the cpu in the system monitor [04:00] any advice on my problem sml1226 [04:00] my ps3 runs smooth w/ less than a gig of swap and 220mb ram so no clue unless you are running a lot [04:00] SupahBoy: open system->system monitr and see what's taking all the cpu [04:01] check it and get back to us [04:02] sheep u got hacked psp? [04:02] i go to process right and then %CPU [04:02] I used ciso and copied the game and it won't recognize my game [04:02] gnome-system monitor is the one thats using the most [04:03] SupahBoy: what's slow exactly? [04:03] like it hangs [04:03] alt tab [04:03] switching between workspace [04:03] between chats on pidgin [04:04] ah, that's a new "feature" of xfce I'm afraid, I have the same thing [04:04] if i go to youtube to watch a video and try and scroll the page lags [04:04] try disabling compositing [04:04] I get very little lag while trying alt tab on 9.04 [04:04] you have an intel graphics card? [04:04] w/ compositor [04:04] yes [04:04] sml1226: it depends on the card [04:04] im using a netbook [04:05] where can i disable compositor [04:05] go to system settings and window manager tweaks [04:05] I liked the old behavior more, where it didn't wait for refresh -- made the screen messy for a blink of an eye, but worked faster [04:05] the new one waits for a full refresh, it's cleaner but slower [04:05] both of my cpus are at 50% and im only running firefox and pidgin [04:06] I didn't like the fuzz but i could tolerate it [04:06] hmm [04:06] open a terminal and run 'sudo top' [04:07] at the top is xorg [04:07] then the gnome system monitor then pidgin [04:07] hmm... [04:07] xrestop maybe [04:08] might be not installed by default [04:08] that xorg thing takes 50 - 60% of the cpu [04:08] what is xorg? [04:08] I have 5 things open now and my cpus are at 10% and 5% so something is goofed up in your install [04:09] plus processes [04:09] SupahBoy: the window system [04:09] and yeah this xrestop isnt installed [04:09] SupahBoy: things that display a lot of changing graphics made it take lots of cpu [04:09] SupahBoy: usually flash or javascript [04:10] Xorg is using 25% but sys monitor doesn't show it [04:10] sml1226: that's because xorg runs as a different user [04:10] oh wow i took off comp [04:10] oh duh [04:10] and xorg went dow [04:10] to like 8% [04:10] yay!!! [04:10] nvm it went backup [04:11] but your netbook should fly [04:11] should i instal this xreestop [04:11] thats why imseeking help [04:11] xD [04:11] won't hurt [04:11] what's it say about ram? [04:11] i have 2 gigs [04:12] I mean sys monitor say how much is used. what's it at? [04:12] oh [04:12] on memory [04:12] 18.7% [04:12] yah [04:13] 375.9 mb [04:13] MiB* [04:13] k [04:13] 0% on my swap [04:13] finished installing the xrestop [04:13] my mem is at 70% and swap at 50% [04:13] mind if i ask whats it for [04:13] oh [04:13] so that means my system isnt working properly? [04:14] slower but tolerable [04:14] i installed compiz desktop effects [04:14] no yours is fine on mem but cpu is goofy [04:14] but i couldng figure out how to run them so im going to uninstall it [04:14] compiz takes a LOT of power [04:14] if its running :) [04:15] yeah, it sucks on laptops, drains the battery [04:15] alrigt [04:15] alright* [04:15] got it removed [04:15] xfce compositor is much lighter on system [04:15] first cpu is at 60% 2nd is at 40% [04:16] once i install the xrestop [04:16] does it run automatcally? [04:16] no [04:16] it's like top [04:16] only for xorg alone [04:16] tells you which windows take the most resources [04:16] ohhhh i see [04:17] there is also powertop for when you want to see what drains the battery [04:17] gnome system monitoris takign 42% [04:17] and xorg 44% [04:17] close it :) [04:18] what in the world [04:18] why is my cpu workign so harrd [04:18] im not running anythin [04:18] ok i closed fire fox and now they are both running on 35% [04:18] - 44% [04:18] around there [04:19] im only running pidgin [04:19] close gnome system monitor [04:19] that is a lot of cpu usage for just pidgin dont you think [04:19] done [04:20] did i do anything wrong by installing on ext3 [04:20] and adding a 3.8 gig partition? [04:22] hmm [04:22] no more ideas [04:22] ? [04:23] really need external hdd now [04:23] just saw free space in sys monitor and i have 2.7GB free [04:23] :( :( :( [04:23] =/ [04:24] i have a 49 gigs left [04:24] hmm i dont have a 64 bit system so i should be using the i386 version [04:25] why does it run so slow =/ [04:25] hey sheep you know about psp cfw? off topic but i need help [04:28] i have no clue how to help you supahboy so sorry but g2g [05:01] i am trying pair-programming using screen, vim and chroot and have issues - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1177893 [05:07] ugh [05:07] screen goes too deeply into various system internals [05:08] it doesn't chroot well [05:08] you would probably run into further issues after solving that [05:08] why not give him a separate account? [05:09] and chgrp/chown the file so that you can both edit it? [05:20] hi folks. I"M trying to get my wireless card to start on boot up. I can get it started manual [05:28] TheSheep: i am willing to try it. [05:32] TheSheep: what do u mean my separate account? i created new user - guest. [07:53] anyone knows what TheSheep means by seperate account? is it something like this - http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1404 [09:59] is it just me, or is it impossible to create shortcuts in thunar in jaunty? [09:59] Hello [09:59] i have installed using tasksel the xubuntu desktop, and how can i disable it from autostart? [10:03] Myrtti, you ;) [10:03] meh. [10:04] Any help :p [10:04] Myrtti, like a shortcut to a folder or something? hold ctrl+shift while dragging [10:05] ablomen: yeah, and tried that, doesn't work either :-/ [10:06] hmm, well im on feisty atm so cant test it myself, sorry [10:06] BrixSat: Applications - settings - sessions and startup? [10:07] Myrtti, what do i disable? [10:08] lunch gnome services on startup? [10:09] hold on, I reread your question [10:09] how can you disable it from autostart? you've got automatic login in gdm enabled [10:09] no [10:09] i want to stop on shell login [10:09] !initrd [10:09] and not on xubuntu login [10:09] Sorry, I don't know anything about initrd [10:09] !init [10:09] Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto [10:10] See update-rc.d BrixSat [10:10] it should be set to 3 for shell login [10:10] :) [10:11] sidi where is that file? [10:15] its a command [10:16] try to install bum otherwise, i dont know how these things work [10:16] :p sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove [10:16] :p thank will reboot to see === rocko is now known as rocksleeping [11:24] ok, so the shortcut appears on my places menu, if I do "echo file:/path/to/dir >> ~/.gtk-bookmarks" but not in thunar [11:29] hmm long shot, but over here its file:///path/to/dir, might be it? [11:31] oh, so it was with me too [11:45] I wish I'd understand strace [12:24] hie all === mib_xtjb8qi5 is now known as dude === dude is now known as orh [12:24] guys [12:25] how to install drivers? [12:25] http://www.avasys.jp/lx-bin2/linux_e/spc/DL1.do [12:25] what do i do [12:25] which do i download [12:26] the one you need [12:27] which one is that? [12:27] select your printer model, please [12:27] i need cx7300 [12:27] then go alot of files [12:28] .rpm, .deb , .gz , .changes, ?? [12:28] .deb [12:28] then i just double click? [12:29] yes [12:29] kk [12:29] will ask you more later [12:29] haha [12:29] around 2 hrs [12:29] thanks ya! [12:58] hi, running 8.10+4.6 (from ppa) how does one tell the window manager to use two screens (notebook + vga) separated? xrandr --auto activated the vga but as the aspect is different I got the panel bottom bar in the middle of the screen :p [13:00] (xfce's screen wizard shows only one) [13:18] do you know what "RADEON(0): Supported Future Video Modes:" means? modes supported by the device but not by the driver? [13:18] hello saluton hallo moin moin hola [13:19] bonjour [13:19] kiel vi fartas? how is everyone? was ist los? [13:26] ok, I'm making too much noise, sorry! === techknowlust is now known as techknowlust|awa [14:24] I've been trying to do this for some while now.. How do i make thunar jump infront of the other windows when i open it? [14:31] Slonkie, what do you mean? [14:31] Slonkie, Does it not? [14:34] Sometimes it does, but not allways, cody-somerville :/. [14:34] Slonkie, It might have to do with your focus stealing prevention settings set in xfwm4 [14:36] Slonkie, or it could be a bug. [14:38] i think it was the focus thing. I weren't aware what that really was [14:38] but now thunar seems to open as i wanted it to. Thanks! :). === techknowlust|awa is now known as techknowlust [15:09] guys [15:09] i cant install xubuntu [15:09] need help [15:09] why cant you ? [15:11] no idea [15:12] after the running hamster [15:12] it goes black [15:13] im so stressed out [15:13] haha [15:17] hi, me again. does 8.10 (+4.6) support dual head via xrandr or only using xinerama? [15:17] Xfce 4.6 only supports xrandr [15:20] is there anyreason y it would go blank? [15:26] mib_xbbk9uuh, no drivers for your graphics card could be a reason [15:26] what hardware do you have, what cd are you using ? [15:26] any error message popping up ? [15:27] nope [15:27] no error massages [15:28] im using the onboard grafix [15:32] charlie-tca: any Idea why, having both screens working fine xrandr-wise, the screen wizard only sees one and the panel is also stick on the LVDS even after xfce4-panel --restart? [15:35] whats the diff between alternate and the normal iso? [15:39] mib_xbbk9uuh, the alternative iso has the older, command-line-like install system whereas the normal one has a live system [15:39] normal is a live CD with optional boot loader, alternate is a more tradiational Linux install CD prvoiding with more options during install, but can't run the Live Version to see if you likit first === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [15:40] thats all? [15:40] as far as I know [15:40] I know on my old machine it will play the Ubuntu "normal" but not the Xubuntu "normal" but after install Xubuntu runs much better than Ubuntu [15:41] mnemoc: I don't know, but following many questions asked in #xfce, I do know 4.6 uses xrandr [15:42] charlie-tca: thanks, it's a great time saving hint (not wasting time on xinerama). I'll keep researching [15:42] no problem [15:43] so now, since my pc goes blank after the "start up" page, will alternate help? [15:43] yes [15:43] alright [15:43] is there any command i need to type in? [15:49] mib_xbbk9uuh, the alternate CD's installer is just less sexy [15:49] but there will be no "command" to type [15:49] more likely your computer should run after the system. The normal CD sometimes has problems with specific hardware [15:50] (and there are a LOT of different onboard graphics btw ;) ) [15:52] less sexy. love the term. haha,anyway 1) will i need to do a format b4 installing? 2) alternate cd support more hardware? [15:54] its not exactly that it supports more hardware. Some hardware has problems for running the liveCD graphically, but they work once it is installed [15:54] I couldn't explain you the 'whys' exactly as i dont know them [15:55] you'll need to burn the alternate cd's iso to a cd-rom and put it on the drive, exactly the same way you'd do for the normal CD [15:55] and of course, you'll need free space on your disk, that will be partitioned by the installer [15:57] i tried the normal ones.. its shows the menu. after i select the install xubuntu, it goes to the running hamster. then it goes blank. will the alternate work? haha. sorry for being such an irritant ^^ === SoylentGrun is now known as gaurdro [16:12] mib_xbbk9uuh, i dont know but it is worth trying :) [16:14] mib_xbbk9uuh:I had similar problems and the alternate CD worked find for me [16:36] How do i make an dir writeable for an ftp user? [16:37] chmod +x 777 ? [16:39] hello [16:40] the extension to install is .deb? [16:40] what extension? [16:40] to install ?? [16:40] dri\/ers [16:41] mib_xbbk9uuh, perdon ? .deb files are packages for either Debian or ubuntu, but i'd like you to let us know which .deb you're talking about [16:41] Slonkie, 755 if you care about your FTP [16:41] What rights does that give, SiDi ? [16:41] It's just for internal use [16:41] Slonkie, still :p [16:41] 7 means right to read/write/pass through [16:41] the first number is you, second is the group you're in, third is "all users" [16:42] so how do i do? do i just type sudo chmod +x 755 ? [16:42] the 5 means read and pass [16:42] but not write [16:42] http://www.avasys.jp/lx-bin2/linux_e/spc/DL2.do [16:42] chmod 755 nameoffolder [16:42] thanks. [16:42] its the deb one rite? [16:42] needa go Slonkie ask me later if you're in trouble ;) [16:42] check his deb pls :P [16:42] heh have fun ;). [16:43] mib_xbbk9uuh sorry i can't read that language, but yes, you chould install a .deb in xubuntu [16:43] kk [16:44] so i ha\/e to install that [16:44] haha [16:44] thaks [17:00] how do i get flash player on the 9.04 ubuntu? [17:00] xubuntu i mean [17:01] Personally i'm using the adobe-flashplugin from the repos. SImply type sudo apt-get install adobe-flashplugin in terminal or install it from the synaptics package manager [17:02] where to type? [17:02] In the Terminal. [17:02] where is tha? [17:02] sory im super new [17:03] Use the synaptic [17:03] i press application then? [17:03] It's in the Applications -> System [17:03] Then search for adobe-flashplugin [17:05] application - system then? [17:05] synaptics [17:06] k im in the synaptic package manager [17:06] tjem? [17:06] then [17:06] search... [17:06] Then search for adobe-flashplugin [17:07] cant find? [17:08] Well it's there [17:09] mib_uly8m1fx: click the search button, not the quick search. Search for "adobe" [17:09] mib_uly8m1fx: try the add/remove instead of synaptich, its an easier GUI, and search for flash [17:09] or search for "flashplugin" [17:09] though sudo apt-get install adobe-flashplugin from terminal will be your quickest solution [17:16] is it suppose to lag!! hahaa. or is my system too useless? [17:16] haha [17:17] anyway. i still cant find the adobe [18:03] where do I set what keyboard shortcut changes the keyboard layout I'm using? [18:04] Mkop, you can set keyboard shortcuts in the menu > settings > keyboard > application shortcuts [18:05] what command do I use to switch keyboard layout? [18:10] the keyboard switcher applet [18:10] on the panel [18:11] !layout [18:11] To switch your keyboard layout on GNOME: System -> Preferences -> Keyboard (GNOME) - KDE: K -> System Settings -> Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layout (KDE) - Xfce: see https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts === forces is now known as freego [18:16] Mkop, if you're on xfce 4.6 (xubuntu 9.04) you can also use xfconf to do that [18:16] Mkop, that way you could actually bind the keyboard-layout switching to a keyboard-shortcut without using the panel plugin [18:17] Mkop, but the panel plugin is probably easier to hande, [18:17] *handle [18:17] yeah, I found the panel plugin and that works just fine [18:18] also gives an easy way to know which layout I'm using at the moment [18:18] and allows me to use different layouts per application, which is nice [18:19] hmm, at some point I need to get the eject button on my CD drive working [18:20] why do you think it doesn't work? [18:20] are you trying to eject a mounted disk? You won't be allowed to do that [18:20] I want the button to unmount and eject [18:22] well good luck, I doubt it is possible though === sancas_ is now known as sancas === terminal_ is now known as terminal === rocko is now known as rockworking [21:20] xubuntu [21:20] oh sry [21:20] hello [21:20] !hi | SupahBoy [21:20] SupahBoy: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! [21:21] thanks [21:21] do you all have a couple of minutes to spare [21:21] i have a bit of a problem [21:21] =( [21:22] !question | SupahBoy [21:22] SupahBoy: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [21:22] alright thanks, well i have a asus netbook 900ha 1.6ghz, 2gigs of ram , i have installed a lot of distros to find a fast one for my net book [21:23] but none of them seem to be fast , they all seem to hang idk if im doing something wrong. ive seen videos on xubuntu on eee pcs on youtube and they run wicked fast [21:23] i installed xubuntu on my 2nd partition and made a 3rd with 4 gigs of swap space (3.8 gigs actually) but it still runs really slow [21:23] Maybe you diden't install graphics card drivers? [21:24] My xubuntu seemed very slow too until i installed the drivers. [21:24] HI all [21:25] again in the wrong Ubuntu support channel [21:25] yah i havent installed any drivers [21:25] Try that, SupahBoy. [21:25] Your specs seems more than good enough to run xubuntu above smootly i'd say. [21:26] how would i go about doing that, maybe that can help me out [21:28] how would i install that? [21:29] google lol :| [21:29] sorry about that [21:29] d/c [21:29] how would i go about installing card drivers?' [21:29] graphic card* [21:30] Try googling for a linux driver for your gfx [21:31] gfx? [21:31] you mean the xfce? [21:31] graphic card [21:31] oh ok [21:31] now all i need is to figure out what graphics card i have [21:32] SupahBoy, try system -> hardware drivers [21:32] SupahBoy, it might know your GC already and propose a driver [21:32] I thought that one would popup automaticly, knome :/. [21:32] Atleast it did for me [21:33] Slonkie, double-check is never bad [21:33] true [21:34] knome? [21:34] SupahBoy, yes? [21:34] SupahBoy, check your menu: System -> Hardware Drivers [21:34] ohhhh nothing xD [21:35] i thought it was like gnome i didnt realize it was a user here [21:35] yes, i am a user :P [21:35] lspci | grep VGA [21:35] Type in that SupahBoy, should give you an outline of what graphics card [21:35] hmm i only get a alternate atheros "madwifi" driver [21:37] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) [21:38] All i can say is, google is your friend. [21:46] hey SupahBoy [21:46] you there? [21:47] http://downloadcenter.intel.com/filter_results.aspx?strTypes=all&ProductID=2886&OSFullName=Linux*&lang=eng&strOSs=39&submit=Go! [21:53] oh yes sry [22:02] thank you slonkie [22:16] did it work, SupahBoy ? [22:16] i havent been able [22:16] to download it [22:16] x_x [22:17] hmm okay [22:17] do i click where it says download types? [22:19] will you give me a break i cant seem to find a download link [22:20] It seems to be a .exe [22:21] you found it? [22:21] sorry I don't know how to get a linux driver for that graphics card [22:21] oh [22:21] what was the link you gave me? [22:22] You can download it here: but it's .exe: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Filter_Results.aspx?strOSs=39&strTypes=all&ProductID=2886&OSFullName=Linux*&lang=eng&sType=prev [22:51] Slonkie, did you try the SAME driver on your hardware before pointing it out ? ^_^ [22:51] no [22:51] you should let the person find someone who did then [22:52] because if she has a problem she'll hold you for responsible [22:52] i already got shout at for that :p [22:52] it was windows drivers anyway :( [22:52] heh :) [22:52] just be careful, its actually better to help someone find help than to directly help when we dont know what we do at all [22:53] dont take offense of it btw ;) [22:53] i appreciate that you dont leave people without help at all [22:53] SiDi, What are you getting on about? [22:54] Talking about giving download links to people without checking if what they download actually works :p [22:54] meh [22:55] oh well, i'd say Intel's official site is pretty trustable [23:23] Slonkie: sry sudden leave === Solidus_ is now known as Solidus