[10:34] <Riddell> rgreening: you pung?
[10:37] <jussi01> pung *g*
[10:39] <Riddell> ponged?
[10:40] <jussi01> I dunno, but pung sounds very funny :D
[10:43]  * seele yawns
[10:45] <Riddell> it's an early morning seele!
[10:47] <agateau> wake up seele, KDE needs you!
[11:02] <Quintasan> Hi
[11:14] <seele> Riddell: i'm in sweden, so it's actually quite late ;)
[11:14] <seele> agateau: i promise after this week i'll be more available. season of usability kicked off and so hpefully my inbox will settle down
[11:15] <agateau> seele: no pb, was just kidding :)
[11:15] <seele> :)
[11:16] <Riddell> seele: are you listening to Abba while sitting on Ikea furniture?
[11:17] <seele> Riddell: no abba, but everything is indeed ikea
[11:18] <Nightrose> seele: have the students been announced yet?
[11:18] <seele> Nightrose: no, i am still waiting for 4 of the mentors to choose. unfortunately the amaork mentor is one of the ones who havent picked one yet :P
[11:19] <Nightrose> seele: heh ok
[12:24] <Quintasan> argh
[12:25] <Quintasan> I think the playlist view manager really sucks, what was bad in implementing columns there?
[12:30] <Quintasan> Nightrose: hiho
[12:32] <Quintasan> ARGH, anyone managed to set playlist in amarok 2.1 to look like this: http://amarok.kde.org/files/playlistoldschool.png?
[12:41] <Riddell> what a waste of space that layout uses
[12:43] <Quintasan> Riddell: I don't like the new one :P
[12:57] <JontheEchidna> New KPackageKit release
[12:58] <Riddell> ooh
[12:58] <Riddell> shtylman_: polite poke towards filling in https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-karmic-ubiquity
[13:02] <Riddell> any volunteers to do some spec approval?
[13:02] <Riddell> people who weren't at UDS preferably
[13:06]  * Riddell eyes up JontheEchidna and seele 
[13:06] <JontheEchidna> sure
[13:07] <JontheEchidna> just throw a list at me :P
[13:10] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: you should get e-mail, please review the specs and set them to approved if you don't have any queries with them
[13:11] <JontheEchidna> got 'em
[13:17] <Mamarok> Riddell: got my Team pack today :) thanks for the help!
[13:17] <Mamarok> unfortunately this is also the first time I had to pay VAT :(
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> Since KWin doesn't have a video record effect anymore we could remove the libcaptury-dev build-dep and drop captury and capseo to universe
[13:38] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: go for it
[13:40] <JontheEchidna> also, can anyone confirm that the reason that we're so over on the CD is that we're pulling in kdewallpapers and kdebase-workspace-wallpapers?
[13:41] <JontheEchidna> plasma-wallpapers-addons is what would be bringing that in
[13:42] <JontheEchidna> we might want to revise the plasma stuff we bring in, for example the themes moved to a package in kdeartwork so we weren't bringing those in in jaunty
[13:42] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: so we are, good spotting
[13:42] <JontheEchidna> and now bringing in plasma-addons wholesale gives us 80 MB of wallpaper
[13:42] <Riddell> we definately want to get rid of excess wallpapers
[13:49] <JontheEchidna> the weather wallpaper plugin in wallpapers-addons does need wallpapers from both kdewallpapers and kdebase-workspace-wallpapers, but not all of them
[13:49] <vorian> mornin
[13:49] <JontheEchidna> ha
[13:49] <vorian> :P
[13:52] <vorian> are the build machines still fried
[13:52] <vorian> ?
[13:52] <Riddell> vorian: yes
[13:52] <Riddell> fix in progress
[13:53] <vorian> alrighty
[13:53] <Riddell> "buildds on manual while coreutils is fixed"
[13:54] <vorian> oh, i see the in the topic now
[13:54] <Riddell> vorian: fancy approving some specs in the mean time? :)
[13:54] <vorian> sure thing
[13:55] <vorian> Riddell: do you have the links?
[13:56] <Riddell> vorian: will arrive in your e-mail
[13:57] <vorian> got it, thanks :)
[14:37] <alteroo> Hallo Has anyone heard any issues with the koffice 2.0 repo (backports) not providing the right size so the packages will not be downloaded?
[14:37] <jussi01> Right, now I know skype is closed source, but is there any way that we can change the location of the pop ups?
[14:40] <Riddell> alteroo: I've not heard of that
[14:40] <alteroo> SHould I provide a log of what I'm seeing?
[14:42] <alteroo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/189023/
[14:45] <vorian> alteroo: try form the main archive (http://archive.ubuntu.com)
[14:46] <alteroo> Afaik they are the same but ok
[14:46] <vorian> they will be the same, but you could be having trouble grabbing from your mirror
[14:48] <alteroo> nope same error
[15:08] <alteroo> vorian: No ideas?
[15:41] <Riddell> rgreening: I agree that the default plasma layout has gone nuts
[15:43] <yuriy> oops never did finish that spec
[16:32] <alteroo> tomsdale: Skype?
[16:33] <tomsdale> yes
[17:54] <flacoste> hi, since I upgraded to kde 4.2.4, URLs opens in konqueror again by default
[17:54] <flacoste> instead of the configured firefox
[17:54] <flacoste> any idea what is going?
[17:59] <Tm_T> flacoste: have you re-checked your settings?
[18:00] <Tm_T> and switched back and forth just to see if it affects at all
[18:00] <flacoste> Tm_T: well, yes, i'm using 'Open in application based on content-type' and text/html still has Firefox at the top of the list
[18:00] <flacoste> i didn't try switching things around, i will
[18:12] <smarter> flacoste: system settings --> default applications (not sure of the name in English) --> web browser --> put firefox there
[18:12] <flacoste> smarter: yeah, but I prefer the 'choose based on content-type'
[18:13] <flacoste> and that was working previously
[18:13] <smarter> no idea then
[18:13] <smarter> try that maybe: kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental
[18:15] <flacoste> what is that command?
[18:16] <smarter> rebuilds the database where KDE caches desktop files and other stuff
[18:16] <flacoste> ok, what is run when it says 'Rebuilding system database...'
[18:16] <smarter> shouldn't do any harm, even if some warnings for some desktop files appear
[18:16] <flacoste> right, didn't change anything
[18:17] <flacoste> i'm now using konq to modify the text/html order
[18:17] <flacoste> just to see if it has some effects
[18:17] <smarter> ok, sorry I couldn't help you
[18:18] <flacoste> ok, that didn't change anything
[18:19] <flacoste> but putting firefox as the application for http works
[18:19] <flacoste> so i'll use that
[18:24] <alteroo> kbuildsyscocoa I think
[18:49] <jjesse> JontheEchidna:with the weather wallapper all i ever get is a blue background, it never changes
[18:49] <JontheEchidna> which weather service are you using?
[18:50] <JontheEchidna> and does the weather plasma widget work?
[18:51] <alteroo> jjesse: Maybe your weather forecast is just depressing?
[18:52] <jjesse> alteroo: i guess it is
[18:52] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: noaa for grand rapids mi
[18:54] <jjesse> should i be using the LCD weather sation, Weather Forecast or Simple Weather Forecast?
[18:54] <jjesse> simple weather forecast i am currently using but that uses yahoo weather
[18:54] <jjesse> weather forecast and lcd weather give me correct information as well
[18:55] <JontheEchidna> noaa doesn't work with the wallpaper
[18:55] <jjesse> hrmm ok
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> the BBC has grand rapids
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> it's nice and sunny in grand rapids
[18:56] <jjesse> yes it is
[18:56] <jjesse> 71 degrees
[18:57] <jjesse> now i have the blue background with dots, i think the image is called air
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> its cloudy here :(
[18:57]  * rgreening is going bonkers... converting gtk code to qt is not fun
[18:58] <Mamarok> rgreening: talk to markey, he has been doing that for some time for living :(
[19:00] <jjesse> ok i changed it to grand rapids michigan and not grand rapids michigan kent county
[19:00] <jjesse> and it is working thanks for the help JontheEchidna
[19:00] <JontheEchidna> :)
[19:00] <JontheEchidna> In 4.3 its less fragile
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> noaa still doesn't work since the dataengine doesn't return icon names
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> and I don't feel like making separate cases for the 300 text condition strings it returns
[19:02] <jjesse> wow i don't blame you
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> 20 icon names is much nicer
[19:03] <jjesse> how many other people have you had to help on the don't use NOAA problem?
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> this is also the reason why the KDE weather widget doesn't have icons
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> none yet
[19:05] <rgreening> Mamarok: I may need to talk to him at some pint :)
[19:06] <rgreening> point even
[19:06] <JontheEchidna> over a pint, perhaps?
[19:06] <vorian> YUS!!!
[19:07] <rgreening> ya
[19:07] <vorian> new soprano did the trick wrt -runtime
[19:16] <maco> you guys, the kde crash report thingy (please tell me a better name than that exists?) says (after i install kdelibs5-dbg) that the crash report may be useful. i'm guessing it needs more -dbg packages, but i dont know which to grab for plasma-workspace crashes. ideas?
[19:17] <JontheEchidna> kdebase-workspace-dbg
[19:17] <maco> thanks
[19:17] <JontheEchidna> the user-visible name is the "KDE Crash Handler" and the "real" name is drkonqi
[19:17] <JontheEchidna> np
[19:18] <maco> oh thats what you guys keep talking about!
[19:21] <alteroo> *sighs*
[19:22] <alteroo> Will PrntScrn Ever be attached to ksnapshot by default?
[19:22] <maco> drkonqi > apport. apport doesnt let you do this "go find -dbg packages, then hit reload, and we'll try again" thing...doesnt even tell you "this backtrace is useless"
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> that's because launchpad will retrace the apport report
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> though not with an astonishingly high success rate :/
[19:25] <maco> yeah well now it says its useful
[19:25] <maco> so thank you
[19:25] <JontheEchidna> I personally disable apport and use drkonqi
[19:25] <JontheEchidna> you're welcome
[19:26] <maco> though :( drkonqi is going mad on the "please login to bugs.kde.org" screen
[19:26] <maco> one keystroke per 5 seconds
[19:28] <rgreening> Riddell: ping
[19:29] <Riddell> 10:34 < Riddell> rgreening: you pung?
[19:29] <rgreening> :)
[19:29] <rgreening> pong
[19:30]  * JontheEchidna ducks from the ping pong balls
[19:30] <rgreening> So, Riddell, Im working on the usb-creator... and it uses a KFileDialog
[19:30] <rgreening> Of course the app runs as root...
[19:31] <JontheEchidna> wasn't nixternal doing some usb-creator stuff?
[19:31] <JontheEchidna> you guys collabing?
[19:31] <rgreening> under kdesudo. Is there a proper way to make it behave more... Riddell? Like when I click home it goes to root home and not user home...
[19:31] <Riddell> rgreening: not really, if it's running as root then /root is the home
[19:31] <JontheEchidna> software-properties-kde suffers from this too
[19:31] <JontheEchidna> policykit would be the proper solution, I suppose
[19:31] <rgreening> ok, just wondering if there was any magic.
[19:32] <rgreening> policykit would be nice... I think evand wants that too.. but later....
[19:33] <maco> um....anyone else read "make it behave more....Riddell?" as making it behave more *like* jonathan?
[19:33] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[19:40] <alteroo> Yeah I was trying to picture it doing some Riddell type stuff and the bugs that might be filed cause of that
[19:50] <Mamarok> rgreening: I don't think he wants to talk about that, bad memories, but a pint is a good idea :)
[19:50] <DreadKnight> heya, what was that command to update to karmic from jaunty?
[19:50] <Riddell> d
[19:50] <alteroo> Asking that question invalidates you running Karmic :)
[19:50] <alteroo> but -d if yo uwant to know
[19:50] <DreadKnight> i am running karmic..
[19:51] <DreadKnight> sudo distr-upgrade -d or something?
[19:51] <alteroo> do-release-upgrade -d
[19:51] <DreadKnight> thanks :)
[19:52] <tsimpson> you can do it from update-notifier-kde (if you wanted)
[19:53] <alteroo> really? How do you tell it to jump to devel repos?
[19:54] <tsimpson> use -d :)
[19:55] <tsimpson> -d for "Offer to upgrade to the latest devel release, if possible", -p for "Offer to upgrade using latest proposed version of the release upgrader, if possible", -u for "Offer to upgrade to the latest release, if possible"
[19:55] <tsimpson> update-notifier-kde --help
[19:58] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[20:14] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: I am not working on it now because there are like 3 people working on it
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> sounds like communication issues
[20:31] <_Groo_> hey JontheEchidna
[20:31] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: any news on beta 2?
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> its simmering nicely
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> We will want upgrade testers (4.2 -> 4.3 and 4.3b1 -> 4.3b2) in the coming days
[20:33]  * _Groo_ raises hand for upgrade testing
[20:34] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: do you know is kdebinding will be it this version?
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> not quite, vorian's working on it as we speak
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> if he can get libboost to cooperate, then perhaps. But we don't know yet
[20:37] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: you had to backport a lot didnt you? lke pyqt4 snapshot , qscintila and the like?
[20:38] <_Groo_> well talk more this weekend.. unfortunatelly i have to go now.. seeya guys
[20:39]  * JontheEchidna hasn't really done any backporting at all
[20:39] <JontheEchidna> oh, a new PyQt
[20:39] <JontheEchidna> vorian: ^^ We may want that
[20:39] <vorian> yus
[20:40] <JontheEchidna> python 3 and Qt 4.5.1 support
[20:41] <vorian> right now I just want binding to flippin build
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> heh
[20:43] <vorian> it's bigger than jeOS
[20:48] <alteroo> JontheEchidna: libkdepim4 and kde-icons-oxygen currently conflict on the metting.png
[20:48] <JontheEchidna> we're fixing that one this round I believe
[20:51] <lex79> JontheEchidna: dou you believe? :P
[20:51] <alteroo> \o/ only issue I had installing Kde 4.3
[20:51] <lex79> It is fixed !
[20:51] <lex79> :P
[20:52] <alteroo> well not the only one but the only one that switching to apt-get -f install didn't fix
[20:52] <JontheEchidna> lex79: last time I tried to fix it, it didn't work
[20:53] <JontheEchidna> hopefully its down for good this time
[20:53] <lex79> yeah, I hope
[20:59] <vorian> I am happy to report bindings is over 50% built
[21:00] <JontheEchidna> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/06/building-brand-together.html
[21:02] <vorian> 80% \o/
[21:03] <JontheEchidna> damn, you have a fast machine if it built 30% in 2 minutes
[21:03] <JontheEchidna> ...unless it was just "somewhere over 50%" two minutes ago
[21:03]  * JontheEchidna needs to think before typing
[21:04] <vorian> 98%
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> ok, you have a fast machine
[21:09] <alteroo> :-D
[22:00] <ryanakca> rgreening: Can you send me the mockup you made for the website with the logo and the bar, if you still have it, please?
[22:02] <rgreening> ryanakca: sure. It's on my other lappy. I'll have to send it later...
[22:02] <ryanakca> rgreening: Thanks
[22:02] <dtchen> rgreening: do you have a spec or writeup for testing GSt integration w/ Phonon?
[22:03] <dtchen> rather, testing the GSt backend for Phonon
[22:03] <rgreening> dtchen: nope. was hoping you could provide some direction
[22:03] <rgreening> I'm a test monkey...
[22:03] <dtchen> ok, if you can start the spec, i'm happy to look at it
[22:04] <dtchen> will be next week at the earliest, need to finish moving this weekend
[22:04] <rgreening> give me a set of things to test and I'll do it :)
[22:04] <rgreening> ok, touch bases next week. Im knee deep in usb-creator porting to qt
[22:04]  * rgreening hates gtk
[22:05] <vorian> how'd ya get roped into that one?
[22:05] <dtchen> voluntold
[22:05] <dtchen> beer was involved
[22:05] <vorian> i'd hope so
[22:05] <dtchen> i think some hip-swinging action
[22:05] <dtchen> see youtube!
[22:06] <vorian> life's fantastic if rgreening is plasitc
[22:07] <rgreening> lol
[22:07]  * rgreening is glad it was only beer... could have gotten a lot worse with heavier liquids
[22:10] <JontheEchidna> "I will port GNOME to Qt"
[22:10] <JontheEchidna> ...using the QBasic bindings
[22:10] <JontheEchidna> I dub that "Ballmer peak fail"
[22:15] <alteroo> Ballmer with a Widow's peak
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> I think Kubuntu might have the largest jonathan/contributors ratio
[23:04] <seele> lol
[23:59] <rgreening> who's to best pythonista here now :)
[23:59] <rgreening> I got a small prob