[00:00] <bratsche> A bunch of people (including me) got kind of sick.
[00:01] <SiDi> i guess i came too late, my immune system didnt get stressed enough
[00:01] <bratsche> Nice.
[00:01] <SiDi> jcastro, maybe its training from previous UDS.. share your DNA please !
[00:02] <bratsche> Eh, that might be taken the wrong way. ;)
[00:07] <hggdh> indeed
[00:26] <rickspencer3> didrocks: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Karmic/Quickly
[02:52] <dobey> bratsche: you could change the permissions on the evolution ui state files, so that it can't write to them...
[03:15] <bratsche> dobey: That's a crappy solution, although it would be a lot faster probably.
[03:16] <bratsche> Another thing I notice is that whenever Evolution crashes, the next time you open it the message preview is hidden.. even though you didn't hide it.
[03:17] <mclasen> bratsche: thats crash-in-a-loop prevention
[03:20] <dobey> bratsche: well the proper solution would be to scrap evolution and get a mail client that isn't full of useless crap :)
[03:22] <bratsche> mclasen: Ah, okay.. makes sense then.
[03:23] <bratsche> dobey: djsiegel has some ideas for a new mail client that he wants to work on.  He wants to write it in Boo for some reason though. :)
[03:24] <bratsche> dobey: I talked to him briefly at UDS about it, but it was hard to get any very specific ideas from him on it.
[03:25] <dobey> i heard him talk about it
[03:25] <dobey> i thought he wanted to do it in OCaml
[03:25] <dobey> and it wouldn't really be a mail client
[03:25] <dobey> as far as e-mail goes, almost all the mail i receive, i want to get rid of
[03:26] <dobey> there are very few mails i get which i actually want to read as message exchanges
[03:27] <bratsche> I had an interesting discussion with Carl Worth about email client ideas last year in Berlin.
[03:27] <dobey> also, why is the dbus-glib api so different from dbus-python
[03:28] <dobey> porting this python code to C, i can't even divine if it will actually work from just reading it :(
[03:28] <bratsche> I'm not sure why David is bouncing around on the language he wants to use for this thing.  He's spending more time deciding which language that nobody uses he wants to use than anything it seems. :)
[03:29] <bratsche> The last time I saw him he was talking about how amazing Haskell is and how we should all be using Haskell. :)
[03:29] <dobey> haha
[03:29] <bratsche> (it is really cool though, fwiw)
[03:29] <dobey> he should just write it in brainfuck
[03:30] <bratsche> But it probably would be hard to get contributors if you use something like that.
[03:30] <dobey> if he wants to write it in cool languages, he should write a lexical parser for romulan, and write it in that
[03:37] <dobey> hrmm, i don't think i can g_object_ref (object) inside the object's instance_init...
[03:41] <dobey> ok, my brain is not content with trying to figure out this crazy dbus api at the moment, so i think it will have to go sleep
[03:41] <dobey> later
[03:44] <bratsche> Later
[03:55] <_2eXtreme> hey guys, im having major issues with my wireless card under jaunty. all my google searches are bringing me back to poages i used in the past, but now the guides dont work, presumably because its a new distro. whats teh alternative to ndiswrapper called again?
[06:06] <pitti> Good morning
[08:03] <crevette> hello
[08:10] <pitti> hey crevette
[08:10] <crevette> hey pitti
[08:19] <huats> morinng everyone !
[08:26] <pitti> seb128: bonjour
[08:26] <seb128> pitti: guten tag!
[08:26] <pitti> seb128: while I'm fiddling with the seeds anyway, want me to replace pidgin with empathy?
[08:26] <pitti> I dropped all langpacks, and ekiga yesterday, hoping that this will suffice to get below 700 MB for alpha-2
[08:26] <seb128> if you are fine promoting it before doing the MIR reviewing yes!
[08:27] <pitti> oh, right; that.
[08:27] <pitti> no, should get MIR bugs first, you are right
[08:29] <pitti> seb128: btw, I booted current daily desktop CD in kvm and installed new gdm
[08:29] <seb128> kenvandine said yesterday he would do the paper work
[08:29] <pitti> seb128: this uncovered a d-bus configuration problem
[08:29] <pitti> http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/gdm-new-dbus-failure.png
[08:29] <seb128> oh
[08:29] <seb128> I'm still using a mix between jaunty and karmic
[08:29] <seb128> that might be why I don't get the issue
[08:37] <seb128> pitti: btw should gvfs depends on devicekit-disks now?
[08:38] <pitti> seb128: I think it should, yes
[08:38] <seb128> you did the mir work etc?
[08:49] <pitti> seb128: sorry, was on phone
[08:49] <pitti> seb128: for devkit? sure, it's all in main
[08:51] <seb128> excellent
[08:51]  * seb128 adds depends
[09:40] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti - i've done the hal and tracker SRU's now
[09:43] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson, thanks! will sponsor them in a bit
[09:43] <chrisccoulson> thanks pitti:)
[09:45] <crevette> hey young ubuntuteros, I have a build that fails with CHROOTWAIT, could it be a problem with my packaging?
[09:46] <crevette> https://edge.launchpad.net/~bmillemathias/+archive/ppa/+build/1060620/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.gnome-user-share_2.26.0-0ubuntu3_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz
[09:46] <pitti> crevette: no, all builds fail ATM
[09:46] <crevette> ah okay, thanks pitti
[09:47]  * pitti updates #ubuntu-devel topic
[09:48] <crevette> seb128, I've a good new, now gnome-user-share doesn't depend on the whole apache2 packages now, (debian packagers splitted it), so it could be interesting to have it in desktop
[09:48] <crevette> we can now just pull apache2.2-bin for it
[09:49] <seb128> I'm not sure we have CD space for that
[09:54] <pitti> "no"
[09:55] <pitti> we are still in the "must throw out stuff" phase, I'm afraid
[10:06] <pitti> chrisccoulson: tracker sponsored; I didn't get bug mail for hal, though
[10:07] <crevette> pitti, you can throw out bluez-gnome :)
[10:08] <pitti> sure, once we have gnome-bluetooth
[10:09] <pitti> chrisccoulson: nevermind, found it (in SRU folder)
[10:17] <asac> on this topic ... anyone could binary new gnome-bluetooth :)?
[10:18] <crevette> asac, uptream is not really happy with the notification patch, I need to see if I'm able to change it as it wants
[10:19] <crevette> (hello by the way)
[10:19] <asac> crevette: hi. can you please point me to the discussion?
[10:19] <crevette> sure
[10:20] <crevette> I didn't had time to look closely to the comments, day work takes me my whole time
[10:20] <pitti> asac: done
[10:20]  * asac hugs pitti 
[10:21] <crevette> asac, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=584857
[10:21] <asac> crevette: no problem. just want to see of what kind those complains are
[10:22] <asac> crevette: ok that looks ok and should be doable
[10:43] <chrisccoulson> pitti - thanks (sorry, i was away from my desk and only just saw your message)
[10:43] <asac> hmm chroot problems everyhwere?
[10:43] <asac> even have it in PPA now
[10:44] <asac> anyone else or just me?
[10:45] <pitti> asac: see #u-devel topic
[10:46] <asac> thx
[11:09] <asac> crevette: 383875
[11:10] <asac> (untested) if you could test that function that would be great ;)
[11:10] <asac> i have to create a galago account i guess to submit it
[11:13] <seb128> pitti: I've reassigned bug #383274, not sure if you want to milestone it for karmic
[11:15] <pitti> seb128: ah, thank you for looking into this
[11:15] <seb128> you're welcome
[11:23] <seb128> re
[11:23] <seb128> ok, intel on karmic doesn't like user switching
[11:23] <pitti> seb128: oh? works perfectly here
[11:23] <seb128> I knew I should have stayed on jaunty + karmic GNOME
[11:23] <pitti> much better than ever before
[11:23] <pitti> with multi-head DRI
[11:23] <seb128> it worked just fine on jaunty for me
[11:23] <pitti> seb128: with compiz on the second session?
[11:23] <seb128> on karmic I've no gdm screen displayed when trying to switch user
[11:24] <seb128> just a blank screen with a line at the bottom
[11:24] <pitti> seb128: do you have karmic gdm or your new one?
[11:24] <seb128> and switch back using ctrl-alt-fn crashes my session
[11:24] <seb128> the new one
[11:24] <seb128> but my session crashing on vt switch is probably not a gdm bug
[11:28] <seb128> hum, empathy makes hard to know what accounts are being used
[11:31] <crevette> asac, does the libnotify maintainer is responsive?
[11:32] <asac> crevette: not sure ;) ... i pushed the patch there now to see what happens.
[11:33] <crevette> asac, I remember Bastien told me redhat was maintaining their own libnotify
[11:33] <seb128> yeah, upstream is not really active
[11:33] <asac> crevette: not sure. the version released by galago at least matches ours
[11:34] <asac> crevette: anyway. i think he will let this in without this factoring out. just address the other comments
[11:35] <awalton_1> I'm about to ping chipx86 again about it...
[11:35] <awalton_1> but I'm sure he'd be fine with that addition, though the patch needs a touchup
[11:36] <asac> awalton_1: you mean the libnotify patch?
[11:36] <awalton_1> indeed. I replied tot he bug.
[11:37] <awalton_1> if I recall correctly, we even suggested such a function be added at UDS jaunty
[11:37] <asac> awalton_1: sorry. i dont see what is wrong with the doc syntax ;)
[11:38] <asac> i mostly copied what i saw below and above
[11:38] <awalton_1> nothing's wrong with it, it's just the wrong one. I think most of the rest of the lib uses gtk-doc though.
[11:38] <awalton_1> if not, we should file a bug on that too.
[11:38] <asac> awalton_1: ah. well. so lets get this in first and then do the doc cleanup in a second bug ;)
[11:39] <awalton_1> works for me
[11:39] <asac> or the other way around - though i think doc cleanups are usually less attractive ;)
[11:39] <asac> ok so just using strcmp fine.
[11:39] <awalton_1> sure, or bump the requirements in configure.ac
[11:40] <awalton_1> it's likely to get the bump again when glib finally gets on d-bus.
[11:40] <asac> yeah. i think strcmp is fine
[11:40] <asac> i could add a NULL check
[11:40] <awalton_1> yeah
[11:40] <awalton_1> just about to suggest that.
[11:40] <awalton_1> I'd go ahead and commit it for you, but I don't have the bit :'(
[11:41] <awalton_1> and it's still late night in cali.
[11:41]  * asac edits patch directly
[11:41] <pochu> awalton_1: if you poke chipx86 about it, I'd appreciate if you also tell him about http://trac.galago-project.org/ticket/184 :-)
[11:43] <awalton_1> pochu, I don't mind that patch, but I think we can do better than that. we should cache the caps in libnotify, since I don't believe anyone changes caps at runtime
[11:44] <awalton_1> that brings up the whole question of watching to make sure the provider of the service doesn't change, but that's a whole other bug ;)
[11:45]  * seb128 back to piding
[11:45] <seb128> or pidgin rather
[11:46] <seb128> indeed empathy is buggy, doesn't connect to my icq account but doesn't tell about the issue either in the ui
[11:48] <pochu> awalton_1: but you can uninstall a notification daemon while another app that uses it is running
[11:48] <pochu> but that's your other point I guess
[11:48] <pochu> anyway the current situation seems buggy :-)
[11:48] <pochu> but I didn't write the patch
[11:50] <asac> awalton_1: i thought about improving libnotify to properly cache caps at some points ... we can look into that later this cycle adding NameOwnerChange et al
[11:51] <awalton_1> asac: I think I might have a branch somewhere that already does it, but I'll have to check
[11:52] <awalton_1> anyways, file bugs so we can keep up with it
[11:55] <asac> awalton_1: launchpad? or galago trac?
[11:55] <awalton_1> asac, launchpad please
[11:55] <awalton_1> trac is/has been mostly abandoned. we've been looking for a place to move everything
[11:56] <asac> awalton_1: ok so finally the patch proper is there (had some minor brain hickups ;))
[11:56] <awalton_1> been blocking forever on chipx86 dumping the svn history so we can go head and do so, and blocking on fdo to approve my account :-/
[11:56] <asac> heh. yeah fdo accounts are slow (which reminds me that i should bug someone again)
[11:57] <asac> awalton_1: sorry. the latest patch includes debian/ stuff... just filter those two files out of the diff
[11:58] <awalton_1> thumbs up from me
[12:06] <asac> awalton_1: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/383886
[12:06] <awalton_1> thanks asac
[12:07] <asac> awalton_1: if you could commit the other patch that would be great
[12:07]  * asac short break
[12:07] <awalton_1> asac: I would, but I don't have commit rights :-/
[12:08] <asac> heh
[12:09] <awalton_1> silly I know...
[12:09] <asac> awalton_1: ok, but you know chipx86?
[12:09] <awalton_1> oh yeah
[12:09] <awalton_1> met him at UDS Jaunty, and he put me in charge as co-maintainer of the notification stack
[12:09] <asac> awalton_1: otherwise maybe we should sync libnotify svn to launchpad bzr and add our stuff there (until libnotify finds its final home)
[12:10] <awalton_1> asac: if you'd like to do that, feel free
[12:11] <asac> awalton_1: ok. for now lets wait if you can reach him in the next days :)
[12:11] <awalton_1> heh, he's usually pretty quick about replying to my emails, but getting him to do something can take a bit of time
[12:12]  * asac nods
[14:12] <tedg> james_w: Hey James, I'm trying to install bzr from the nightly PPA, and it wants to remove bzr-svn.  Is that a known issue/feature or should I investigate further?
[14:12] <james_w> tedg: hmm
[14:12] <james_w> I didn't know that
[14:12] <james_w> let me look
[14:24] <james_w> tedg: I can't see what's causing it, the depends seem to be correct
[14:30] <tedg> james_w: It seems that when I go into Synaptic and do "Dependencies of latest version" on bzr-svn it Depends on "bzr >= 1.14~" and "bzr < 1.15" which is probably why it's getting removed with the installation of 1.15.
[14:30] <tedg> james_w: BTW, this is on Jaunty.
[14:36] <james_w> tedg: oh, I see it now, sorry. The packages just need updating
[14:36] <james_w> I'm away from my key right now though
[14:38] <tedg> james_w: Okay, no problem.  I just want the new bazaar crack :)
[14:42] <seb128> pedro_: !!!!!
[14:42] <pedro_> seb128!!!
[14:42]  * pedro_ hugs seb128
[14:42] <seb128> pedro_: good to see you ;-)
[14:43]  * seb128 hugs pedro_
[14:43] <seb128> pedro_: I was wondering if they kept you at the airport or something, so good to see you back there ;-)
[14:43] <pedro_> seb128: yeah it's nice to be back ;-)))
[14:43] <seb128> do you feel better?
[14:44] <pedro_> seb128: oh there was no temp scanner at the airport this time
[14:45] <pedro_> seb128: yeap way better , went to the doc on monday, it was just my throat, got a tonsillitis, dude i was speaking like darth vader on sunday
[14:47] <seb128> I'm almost not speaking today, I started coughing this night and that's no fun, I think I've fever too
[14:47] <seb128> pedro_: I think I got the chilian flu too!
[14:50] <rodrigo_> hey pedro_
[14:51] <rodrigo_> pedro_: we were going to contact chilean embassy here to find you :)
[14:51] <pedro_> seb128: I've got it from you! so it's your own flu this time :-P :-P :-P
[14:51] <seb128> no no, I only had a running nose
[14:51] <pedro_> rodrigo_: hola!, haha, yeah jcastro was saying me that
[14:52] <rodrigo_> :)
[14:54] <seb128> pedro_: speaking about chilian you have a good tennis player apparently
[14:55] <pedro_> seb128: yeah ! stone hand gonzalez is great
[14:55] <seb128> "stone hand" ;-)
[14:56] <seb128> he's playing right now, nice game, a bit difficult for him but he would deserve to win this set
[14:59] <pedro_> yeah, i hope he win the match and federer to lost his game, otherwise he's dead. Federer is an android, not fair.
[15:00] <seb128> only nadal is powerful enough to defeat federer
[15:05] <seb128> pedro_: yes!
[15:06] <seb128> pedro_: "stone hand gonzalez" won the set ;-)
[15:07] <pitti> seb128: ugh, that sounds bad!
[15:07] <pitti> seb128: get well soon, mate
[15:07] <seb128> pitti: yeah, I'm feeling really not good today, headache, coughing, running nose, feeling hot, etc
[15:08] <seb128> thanks
[15:08] <asac> seb128: better rest a bit today.
[15:08] <seb128> asac: yeah, I've been mostly being lying in bed watch tennis on TV
[15:09] <asac> good ;)
[15:09] <pedro_> seb128: vitamin C and lot of liquids always help :-)
[15:09] <asac> grrr ... hg not installed
[15:09] <pedro_> go stone hand go!
[15:09] <seb128> pedro_: ;-)
[15:10] <pitti> rickspencer3: hey
[15:10] <pitti> rickspencer3: I updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus for today's release meeting
[15:10] <rickspencer3> pitti: hi!
[15:10] <rickspencer3> sweet
[15:10] <pitti> I think that summarizes the intrusiveness
[15:11] <rickspencer3> I just got down to the agenda in my email
[15:12] <rickspencer3> pitti: that page is very awesome
[15:12] <rickspencer3> I was going to create a similar list today to start tracking progress
[15:15] <Mark__T> tedg: ping
[15:16] <tedg> Mark__T: Hey, I'm in a meeting right now, can I ping you when I'm done?
[15:16] <Mark__T> tedg: http://pastebin.ca/1448744
[15:16] <Mark__T> tedg: hope that makes sense ^
[15:20] <rickspencer3> didrocks: did you see the quickly spec?
[15:23] <kenvandine> pitti: is the new gdm going to make it into next weeks alpha?
[15:23] <pitti> kenvandine: right now it still has some major problems, but I hope so
[15:23] <kenvandine> ok
[15:23] <kenvandine> i am going to test it in a few myself, unless there is no point now
[15:24] <seb128> I doubt it will
[15:24] <kenvandine> ok
[15:24] <kenvandine> i'll wait then
[15:24] <kenvandine> seb128: just let me know when it would be useful to test
[15:24] <seb128> it's useful
[15:24] <seb128> I uploaded yesterday to the desktop team ppa
[15:24] <kenvandine> ok
[15:25] <kenvandine> yeah, have it it on my todo list to test
[15:25] <kenvandine> i will do that in a few
[15:25] <seb128> but it log the current user back in immediatly when closing a session with autologin set
[15:25] <seb128> there is no way to reboot, halt etc the box from the session
[15:25] <kenvandine> ok
[15:25] <pitti> well, it doesn't even start at all
[15:25] <seb128> and there is an upgrade issue, it autolog the user even if a session is already running after upgrade
[15:25] <seb128> and the banner is broken until restart
[15:25] <pitti> kenvandine: I get this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/gdm-new-dbus-failure.png
[15:26] <rodrigo_> hmm, is there any way to enable coloring the tabs when someone talks to you in empathy?
[15:26] <seb128> I don't feel good enough to debug that today
[15:26] <pitti> nah, don't worry
[15:26] <kenvandine> seb128: rest up
[15:26] <seb128> but if somebody want to help on that you are welcome
[15:26] <pitti> if it doesn't land in a2, it's not a problem at all
[15:26]  * crevette gives a redball can to seb128  :)
[15:26] <crevette> redbull
[15:27] <kenvandine> pitti: ok
[15:27] <seb128> crevette: I got a flu I think I rather need sleep than redbull
[15:27] <crevette> ah, severe flu?
[15:28] <seb128> no standard one, feeling hot, coughing, running nose
[15:29] <seb128> feeling hot == fever in case that was not clear ;-)
[15:30] <kenvandine> i think we got it :)
[16:36] <pitti> rickspencer3: thanks for the burndown chart! would you mind putting that on people.u.c. and keeping that up to date? (or in a management-tools branch or so :) )
[16:36] <rickspencer3> pitti: I would love to do that, but may need some help with the tools
[16:37] <rickspencer3> I'll try it myself today, and if I FAIL, I'll ask for help next week
[16:37] <pitti> rickspencer3: setting up a LP project and a branch? (well, you could just use +junk for now)
[16:38] <pitti> rickspencer3: or with people.u.c.?
[16:38] <pitti> seb128: retracers de-lock-ed, coreutils should be good now
[16:38] <pitti> seb128: if they fall over again, please just rm */lock agaain
[16:38] <pitti> seb128: (I need to run right after release meeting)
[16:39] <pitti> seb128: I can also do that tomorrow morning, if you are already in bed
[16:39] <pitti> (which would probably be a good idea anyway :) )
[16:42] <seb128> pitti: ok, good!
[16:43] <pitti> armel retracer has a karmic chroot now, too
[16:43] <seb128> pitti: I'm not in bed, or at least not sleeping but watching roland garros
[16:45] <pitti> seb128: have fun
[16:51] <pitti> have a nice weekend everyone!
[16:55] <seb128> pitti: thanks, you too!
[16:56]  * calc somehow was confused and thought june 4 was alpha 2
[17:17] <Mark__T> tedg: back?
[17:25] <Mark__T> tedg: ok, found your mail
[17:43] <kenvandine> calc: i had thought the same thing :)
[17:44] <kenvandine> i think someone said that at uds or something... and it stuck
[17:45] <calc> kenvandine: heh
[18:37] <al-maisan> pitti: are you still around?
[18:38] <al-maisan> I am looking for that wiki page that explains the approach/process for working with packages via bzr branches
[18:41] <al-maisan> found it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Bzr
[21:30] <crevette> pitti: around?