[00:01] <pleia2> Vantrax: we were talking about this earlier today, according to the doodle poll 00:00 UTC on monday and tuesday (sunday and monday night for most of us, monday and tuesday morning for you?) tend to be the best
[00:01] <pleia2> I'd vote for second sunday and third monday at that time
[00:02] <pleia2> err
[00:02] <pleia2> first monday and third sunday
[00:02] <pleia2> or something :)
[00:03] <Vantrax> thats 10am for me, and I can usually make it
[00:03] <Vantrax> that being said, I am at work
[00:08] <bodhizazen> +1 for 00:00 UTC
[00:08] <bodhizazen> most any day ;P
[00:09] <bodhizazen> we should put it on the fridge or a personal (gcal) ?
[00:14] <bodhizazen> pleia2: my session in 45 min ?
[00:15] <pleia2> bodhizazen: yes :)
[00:33] <Vantrax> fridge imo
[00:33] <Vantrax> for team meetings anyway
[00:53] <bodhizazen> session in 5 min or so :)
[02:25] <pleia2> cprofitt: someday I must pick your brain about running concise, successful meetings :) I am terrible at it
[02:26] <cprofitt> lol... why do you say that?
[02:26] <pleia2> tangents, losing my train of thought :)
[02:26] <cprofitt> pleia2, today's event - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/Events/20090604
[02:26] <pleia2> yeah, I saw! nice :)
[02:26] <cprofitt> you just have to be single minded like me...
[02:26] <pleia2> hehe
[02:27] <pleia2> so in meetings I get distracted by tangents because I *want* input from other people, I don't want them to feel bad about offering suggestions
[02:28] <cprofitt> I see...
[02:28] <doctormo> I vote -1 for calling the website after the initalism, it's not a very good brand
[02:28] <cprofitt> write down the 'off-topic' ideas... and tell them you will get back to that point later pleia2
[02:28] <cprofitt> what website cprofitt
[02:29] <doctormo> That's what you have to do when you chair a meeting
[02:29] <cprofitt> I mean doctormo what website?
[02:29] <doctormo> The ubuntu learning website
[02:29] <pleia2> cprofitt: I am bad at saying that nicely, or I spend too much time trying to think of how to say it nicely :)
[02:29] <doctormo> [18:48] <bodhizazen> so IMO UCLP is best , but I am flexible
[02:30] <doctormo> pleia2: you don't get points for nice, you get points for being fair and decisive.
[02:30] <cprofitt> don't try to say it nicely... just say it... tell people at the meeting start...
[02:30] <cprofitt> so the website will be called UCLP?
[02:31] <doctormo> cprofitt: I hope it won't be called UCLP
[02:31] <cprofitt> I thought is was Ubuntu Community Learning Project
[02:31] <cprofitt> which is ULCP...
[02:31] <cprofitt> what are the other alternatives?
[02:32] <cprofitt> UCLP I mean...
[02:32] <doctormo> No, think about branding, design, ULCP is a jaundiced brand.
[02:32] <cprofitt> why?
[02:32] <doctormo> It talks of "people who couldn't think up a good name" not "what the thing does"
[02:32] <doctormo> "Ubuntu Learning" should be fine.
[02:33] <cprofitt> So you want to drop the Community and Project part...
[02:33] <doctormo> yep
[02:33] <doctormo> Have those in the sub-title as I have in my graphic I posted last night
[02:33] <cprofitt> I have no issue with that... and I am the one that threw out the ULCP name -- I did not expect people to like it, but they did.
[02:33] <cprofitt> link to graphic
[02:39] <doctormo> http://divajutta.com/doctormo/learning/title.png
[02:42] <pleia2> I like the simplicity
[02:42] <cprofitt> doctormo, that works for me
[02:44] <cprofitt> so pleia2 would you come to Rochester if it had a Linux Festival?
[02:44] <pleia2> cprofitt: depends on when :)
[02:44] <cprofitt> Spring time frame I think...
[02:44] <cprofitt> too many other things in the fall...
[02:45] <cprofitt> we are probably over a year out on it though...
[02:45] <cprofitt> we need to build some more vendor support
[02:45]  * pleia2 nods
[02:45] <pleia2> build it, I will come :)
[02:45] <cprofitt> I forced the Dell reps to come look at our packed room...
[02:45] <pleia2> hehe
[02:45] <cprofitt> and told them I would love to have them do an Ubuntu demo with their units
[02:46] <cprofitt> they were all baffled that they sold Linux
[02:46] <cprofitt> sales people are dense at times... at least the ones that work for Dell
[02:46] <pleia2> lol
[02:46] <cprofitt> their tech support is not much better...
[02:46] <cprofitt> but they do sell Ubuntu machines
[02:49] <doctormo> cprofitt: At least you got into their heads right?
[02:51] <cprofitt> Well.. make them think it is worth talking about... worth supporting
[02:52] <cprofitt> It bothers me more that Dell sells them and hides them than it does that HP and Lenovo do not sell them
[02:53] <doctormo> pardon?
[02:53] <doctormo> Are you saying that HP doesn't sell Ubuntu machines?
[02:53] <doctormo> or are you saying that Dell thinks HP doesn't sell Ubuntu machines?
[02:56] <cprofitt> HP does not sell ubuntu machiens
[02:56] <cprofitt> Dell sells them... but hides them
[02:56] <cprofitt> that upsets me... why hide the fact you are selling them
[03:00] <Vantrax> HP does, just not desktops
[03:02] <cprofitt> They sell Ubuntu Vantrax ? I knew they sold Linux, but was unaware of Ubuntu
[03:03] <Vantrax> on servers only, Canonical is actually in the process of getting certified atm from memory
[03:04] <cprofitt> so they are selling or will sell?
[03:05] <Vantrax> we had the option on it from our reseller a few months ago when we bought a server
[03:05] <cprofitt> nice... have not seen that in the states yet
[03:05] <Vantrax> that 'might' have been because of who we are as opposed to a standard
[03:05] <doctormo> cprofitt: HP sells a netbook with Ubuntu on it called the "HP Mini Mi", the Canonical guys down here at Lexington were the ones payed by HP to develop it.
[03:06] <Vantrax> nice
[03:06] <cprofitt> nice... I had not seen that either
[03:06] <cprofitt> yeah US website still not offering ubuntu on their servers
[03:07] <cprofitt> they offer Microsoft, Solaris, Redhat and Suse
[03:07] <doctormo> For HP it's all a branding play, they never wanted to say that it was Ubuntu, they were even very shy about calling it Linux
[03:08] <cprofitt> the minis are now saying contact your local rep to list alternative OS choices
[03:09] <cprofitt> still not like these guys though -- http://www.system76.com/
[03:09] <Vantrax> doctormo: i think that will change once they are HP certified
[03:10] <cprofitt> I hope so Vantrax
[03:10] <cprofitt> I would love to see main-line vendors just offer it as a drop down choice
[03:11] <doctormo> cprofitt: I'd love to see a level playing field, but it won't happen just yet. It's getting there ever so slowly
[03:11] <cprofitt> doctormo, I agree...
[03:11] <cprofitt> and I think 'local shops' could be the start
[03:12] <cprofitt> if they can differentiate themselves from the 'big boys' and put some stats in to the market that Linux can sell...
[16:07] <bodhi_zazen> is there an easy way to search the fridge for specific meetings ?
[16:09] <bodhi_zazen> The server died
[16:09] <bodhi_zazen> I am not really sure what happened to the test moodle site :(
[16:09] <bodhi_zazen> but I can not connect to it
[16:09] <bodhi_zazen> I will re-build it this weekend
[16:17] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen: could look at and search the xml feed: http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/j5q85mmi6ujvjtii5s1n3li5io%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic
[16:18] <pleia2> oh hm, I guess that only shows ones that already passed
[16:18] <pleia2> guess not
[16:23] <bodhi_zazen> thanks anyways pleia2 :)
[16:23] <bodhi_zazen> it is a busy calendar is all
[16:24]  * pleia2 nods
[16:24] <bodhi_zazen> we should start regular meetings for this team
[16:24] <bodhi_zazen> weekly or bi weekly until we are up and running
[16:25] <bodhi_zazen> do we have a meetings wiki page w/ an agenda ?
[16:26] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Agenda
[16:26] <pleia2> I think Vantrax was going to write meeting minutes and rotate this stuff out from our last meeting, but I don't know if that ever happened
[16:26] <bodhi_zazen> not yet, I will work on it
[16:27] <bodhi_zazen> have we agreed on a meeting schedule yet ?
[16:27] <pleia2> not yet, the doodle poll shows monday and sunday evenings are best
[16:27] <pleia2> so I proposed: 1st Monday, 3rd Sunday
[16:27] <pleia2> which is mostly bi-weekly
[16:39] <bodhi_zazen> where is the doodle pool ?
[16:39] <bodhi_zazen> I saw that mentioned :)
[16:40] <pleia2> http://www.doodle.com/e4qemk8nuf2q5iye
[16:40] <pleia2> (update the timezone for yourself)
[16:43] <bodhi_zazen> thank you, got it
[16:43] <bodhi_zazen> sunday would be hard for me
[16:43] <bodhi_zazen> and in my experience with the beginners team, turn out is poor on weekends
[16:44] <bodhi_zazen> people view them as "free"
[16:44] <bodhi_zazen> but then they travel and get busy :(
[16:44] <pleia2> the good thing about bi-weekly meetings is we don't all actually have to be there :)
[16:44] <pleia2> for every one
[16:45] <pleia2> they are frequent enough that missing sometimes isn't a big deal
[16:45] <bodhi_zazen> We tried it more then once, the second time people were clamoring for a weekend slot and it was not long b4 I was the only one at the meeting
[16:45] <bodhi_zazen> +1
[16:45] <pleia2> since this is what the doodle poll reflects, I think we should respect it
[16:45] <pleia2> if sunday meetings turn out to be failures, we'll adjust :)
[16:46] <bodhi_zazen> we still need licensing on the agenda ?
[16:46] <pleia2> yes
[16:46] <pleia2> but that agenda is old
[16:48] <bodhi_zazen> I updated the agenda :)
[17:07]  * pleia2 looks at old revision and makes page for last meeting