[00:01] Vantrax: we were talking about this earlier today, according to the doodle poll 00:00 UTC on monday and tuesday (sunday and monday night for most of us, monday and tuesday morning for you?) tend to be the best [00:01] I'd vote for second sunday and third monday at that time [00:02] err [00:02] first monday and third sunday [00:02] or something :) [00:03] thats 10am for me, and I can usually make it [00:03] that being said, I am at work [00:08] +1 for 00:00 UTC [00:08] most any day ;P [00:09] we should put it on the fridge or a personal (gcal) ? [00:14] pleia2: my session in 45 min ? [00:15] bodhizazen: yes :) [00:33] fridge imo [00:33] for team meetings anyway [00:53] session in 5 min or so :) [02:25] cprofitt: someday I must pick your brain about running concise, successful meetings :) I am terrible at it [02:26] lol... why do you say that? [02:26] tangents, losing my train of thought :) [02:26] pleia2, today's event - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/Events/20090604 [02:26] yeah, I saw! nice :) [02:26] you just have to be single minded like me... [02:26] hehe [02:27] so in meetings I get distracted by tangents because I *want* input from other people, I don't want them to feel bad about offering suggestions [02:28] I see... [02:28] I vote -1 for calling the website after the initalism, it's not a very good brand [02:28] write down the 'off-topic' ideas... and tell them you will get back to that point later pleia2 [02:28] what website cprofitt [02:29] That's what you have to do when you chair a meeting [02:29] I mean doctormo what website? [02:29] The ubuntu learning website [02:29] cprofitt: I am bad at saying that nicely, or I spend too much time trying to think of how to say it nicely :) [02:29] [18:48] so IMO UCLP is best , but I am flexible [02:30] pleia2: you don't get points for nice, you get points for being fair and decisive. [02:30] don't try to say it nicely... just say it... tell people at the meeting start... [02:30] so the website will be called UCLP? [02:31] cprofitt: I hope it won't be called UCLP [02:31] I thought is was Ubuntu Community Learning Project [02:31] which is ULCP... [02:31] what are the other alternatives? [02:32] UCLP I mean... [02:32] No, think about branding, design, ULCP is a jaundiced brand. [02:32] why? [02:32] It talks of "people who couldn't think up a good name" not "what the thing does" [02:32] "Ubuntu Learning" should be fine. [02:33] So you want to drop the Community and Project part... [02:33] yep [02:33] Have those in the sub-title as I have in my graphic I posted last night [02:33] I have no issue with that... and I am the one that threw out the ULCP name -- I did not expect people to like it, but they did. [02:33] link to graphic [02:39] http://divajutta.com/doctormo/learning/title.png [02:42] I like the simplicity [02:42] doctormo, that works for me [02:44] so pleia2 would you come to Rochester if it had a Linux Festival? [02:44] cprofitt: depends on when :) [02:44] Spring time frame I think... [02:44] too many other things in the fall... [02:45] we are probably over a year out on it though... [02:45] we need to build some more vendor support [02:45] * pleia2 nods [02:45] build it, I will come :) [02:45] I forced the Dell reps to come look at our packed room... [02:45] hehe [02:45] and told them I would love to have them do an Ubuntu demo with their units [02:46] they were all baffled that they sold Linux [02:46] sales people are dense at times... at least the ones that work for Dell [02:46] lol [02:46] their tech support is not much better... [02:46] but they do sell Ubuntu machines [02:49] cprofitt: At least you got into their heads right? [02:51] Well.. make them think it is worth talking about... worth supporting [02:52] It bothers me more that Dell sells them and hides them than it does that HP and Lenovo do not sell them [02:53] pardon? [02:53] Are you saying that HP doesn't sell Ubuntu machines? [02:53] or are you saying that Dell thinks HP doesn't sell Ubuntu machines? [02:56] HP does not sell ubuntu machiens [02:56] Dell sells them... but hides them [02:56] that upsets me... why hide the fact you are selling them [03:00] HP does, just not desktops [03:02] They sell Ubuntu Vantrax ? I knew they sold Linux, but was unaware of Ubuntu [03:03] on servers only, Canonical is actually in the process of getting certified atm from memory [03:04] so they are selling or will sell? [03:05] we had the option on it from our reseller a few months ago when we bought a server [03:05] nice... have not seen that in the states yet [03:05] that 'might' have been because of who we are as opposed to a standard [03:05] cprofitt: HP sells a netbook with Ubuntu on it called the "HP Mini Mi", the Canonical guys down here at Lexington were the ones payed by HP to develop it. [03:06] nice [03:06] nice... I had not seen that either [03:06] yeah US website still not offering ubuntu on their servers [03:07] they offer Microsoft, Solaris, Redhat and Suse [03:07] For HP it's all a branding play, they never wanted to say that it was Ubuntu, they were even very shy about calling it Linux [03:08] the minis are now saying contact your local rep to list alternative OS choices [03:09] still not like these guys though -- http://www.system76.com/ [03:09] doctormo: i think that will change once they are HP certified [03:10] I hope so Vantrax [03:10] I would love to see main-line vendors just offer it as a drop down choice [03:11] cprofitt: I'd love to see a level playing field, but it won't happen just yet. It's getting there ever so slowly [03:11] doctormo, I agree... [03:11] and I think 'local shops' could be the start [03:12] if they can differentiate themselves from the 'big boys' and put some stats in to the market that Linux can sell... [16:07] is there an easy way to search the fridge for specific meetings ? [16:09] The server died [16:09] I am not really sure what happened to the test moodle site :( [16:09] but I can not connect to it [16:09] I will re-build it this weekend [16:17] bodhi_zazen: could look at and search the xml feed: http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/j5q85mmi6ujvjtii5s1n3li5io%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic [16:18] oh hm, I guess that only shows ones that already passed [16:18] guess not [16:23] thanks anyways pleia2 :) [16:23] it is a busy calendar is all [16:24] * pleia2 nods [16:24] we should start regular meetings for this team [16:24] weekly or bi weekly until we are up and running [16:25] do we have a meetings wiki page w/ an agenda ? [16:26] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Agenda [16:26] I think Vantrax was going to write meeting minutes and rotate this stuff out from our last meeting, but I don't know if that ever happened [16:26] not yet, I will work on it [16:27] have we agreed on a meeting schedule yet ? [16:27] not yet, the doodle poll shows monday and sunday evenings are best [16:27] so I proposed: 1st Monday, 3rd Sunday [16:27] which is mostly bi-weekly [16:39] where is the doodle pool ? [16:39] I saw that mentioned :) [16:40] http://www.doodle.com/e4qemk8nuf2q5iye [16:40] (update the timezone for yourself) [16:43] thank you, got it [16:43] sunday would be hard for me [16:43] and in my experience with the beginners team, turn out is poor on weekends [16:44] people view them as "free" [16:44] but then they travel and get busy :( [16:44] the good thing about bi-weekly meetings is we don't all actually have to be there :) [16:44] for every one [16:45] they are frequent enough that missing sometimes isn't a big deal [16:45] We tried it more then once, the second time people were clamoring for a weekend slot and it was not long b4 I was the only one at the meeting [16:45] +1 [16:45] since this is what the doodle poll reflects, I think we should respect it [16:45] if sunday meetings turn out to be failures, we'll adjust :) [16:46] we still need licensing on the agenda ? [16:46] yes [16:46] but that agenda is old [16:48] I updated the agenda :) [17:07] * pleia2 looks at old revision and makes page for last meeting