[00:29] <StevensUbuntuTri> Hello.  Is it possible to get help with my firefox.  It will not play flash movies on the internet
[00:30] <dtchen> which Flash plugin is installed?
[00:30] <dtchen> also, ideally you'd want to ask in #ubuntu or #ubuntu+1
[00:39] <StevensUbuntuTri> oh
[00:40] <StevensUbuntuTri> I figured since this was the ubuntu mozilla room
[00:40] <StevensUbuntuTri> sorry about that
[00:40] <BUGabundo> StevensUbuntuTri: no prob
[00:40] <BUGabundo> feel free to ask
[00:40] <BUGabundo> dtchen is just providing you with extra support options
[00:41] <StevensUbuntuTri> I installed adobe flash first.  It worked for a while, but not it doesn't.  Only in Youtube, but with poor performance.  I reinstalled the flash plugin several times, but that didn't work---so I installed Gnash mozilla plugin to give it a try--to the same result
[00:44] <dtchen> what is "poor performance"?
[00:44] <dtchen> for the symptoms you experience with Gnash, are they the same "poor performance"?
[00:45] <dtchen> please try to be as specific as possible, because there are far too many causes that fit the description of "poor performance" :)
[00:45] <StevensUbuntuTri> Very slow loading, seems to make the computer very slow, the fan starts running on full, the play/pause button doesn't look quite right and the volume doesn't look right (a little blurred)
[00:45] <dtchen> well, hopefully you're only using Flash 10
[00:46] <dtchen> not Gnash alongside Adobe Flash alongside Swfdec
[00:47] <StevensUbuntuTri> I am not totally sure.  At this point, I think the adobe flash is no longer installed.  I installed Gnash mozilla plugin  from the synaptic package manager earlier to give it a try
[00:48] <StevensUbuntuTri> I really don't mind which one i use as long as it works.  I kind of liked the Gnash--in keeping with the spirit of the free software
[00:50] <BUGabundo> StevensUbuntuTri: check galternatives
[00:51] <dtchen> or, graphically in the web browser, about:plugins
[00:52] <BUGabundo> err dtchen galternatives is GUI too
[00:53] <StevensUbuntuTri> So you want me to install that program?  galternatives?
[00:54] <BUGabundo> you can
[00:54] <BUGabundo> or do as dtchen recommened
[00:54] <BUGabundo> I like galternatives a lot
[00:58] <StevensUbuntuTri> Ok, installed and running.  What is the next step?
[00:58] <StevensUbuntuTri> I see where it says flash-plugin
[00:58] <StevensUbuntuTri> actually firefox-flashplugin
[01:01] <StevensUbuntuTri> BUGabundo:  It looks like swfdecmozilla is the chosen one.  Should I switch it to GNash?
[01:01] <BUGabundo> any other
[01:01] <BUGabundo> and test again
[01:01] <BUGabundo> that should make more obvious what's the prob
[01:01] <BUGabundo> btw what arch? 32 or 64 bits?
[01:02] <dtchen> note there's a pulseaudio/alsa component here, too
[01:02] <dtchen> unfortunately i need to leave; coffee shop is closing
[01:03] <StevensUbuntuTri> I think 32.  This is an old laptop  i686
[01:03] <BUGabundo> bye dtchen
[01:04] <StevensUbuntuTri> Bugabundo:  same result
[01:04] <BUGabundo> did you restart FF?
[01:04] <StevensUbuntuTri> flash movie doesn't load
[01:05] <StevensUbuntuTri> yes, should I clear the histoy and cookies too?
[01:05] <BUGabundo> no
[01:10] <micahg> StevensUbuntuTri: Performance with Flash is also based on Video hardware
[01:16] <StevensUbuntuTri> micahg:  Understandable, but it doesn't work at all in all other websites
[01:16] <micahg> StevensUbuntuTri: which version of Ubuntu
[01:17] <StevensUbuntuTri> Jaunty
[01:17] <micahg> are you running the latest version of FF (3.0.10)?
[01:18] <StevensUbuntuTri> yes
[01:20] <micahg> Could you please post this to pastebin.com?
[01:20] <micahg> apt-cache policy gnash swfdec-mozilla flashplugin-nonfree
[01:22] <BUGabundo> for comparation
[01:22] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy gnash swfdec-mozilla flashplugin-nonfree | pastebinit
[01:22] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/188692/
[01:23] <BUGabundo> using adobes 64bits flash
[01:24] <micahg> BUGabundo: where do you get that script?
[01:24] <BUGabundo> pastbinit?
[01:24] <micahg> yep
[01:24] <BUGabundo> its on the archive
[01:24] <BUGabundo> it should come by default
[01:25] <micahg> nope
[01:25] <BUGabundo> asac: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/284212
[01:25] <BUGabundo> why is it beeing set as Security ?
[01:26] <BUGabundo> micahg: $ apt-cache policy pastebinit | pastebinit
[01:26] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/188695/
[01:26] <micahg> yep, but not by default :)
[01:26] <micahg> I just installed it
[01:26] <micahg> I didn't have it before
[01:26] <BUGabundo> ahh
[01:27] <BUGabundo> I meant that as a wishbug
[01:27] <BUGabundo> lol
[01:27] <micahg> maybe in Karmic
[01:27] <BUGabundo> humm should I file it? cwillu?
[01:27] <micahg> I'm still running jaunty
[01:27] <BUGabundo> what package should it be?
[01:28] <micahg> what do you mean?
[01:28] <BUGabundo> pastebinit or some other seed? like ubuntu-desktop ?
[01:28] <micahg> dev-scripts maybe?
[01:28] <BUGabundo> I will file a bug so pastebinit comes on karmic
[01:28]  * cwillu pokes his head in
[01:29] <micahg> maybe with the LP helper scripts?
[01:30] <BUGabundo> no idea where
[01:30] <BUGabundo> I guess ill file on pastebinit
[01:30] <BUGabundo> and mention the seed
[01:30] <BUGabundo> and let the dev fix it
[01:30] <BUGabundo> or I could ping pitty
[01:31] <BUGabundo> hi cwillu. nice to see you up
[01:35] <StevensUbuntuTr1> ok I am back
[01:35] <micahg> welcome back StevensUbuntuTr1
[01:35] <StevensUbuntuTr1> I posted what you wanted to pastbin
[01:35] <micahg> you have the urlk?
[01:35] <StevensUbuntuTr1> http://pastebin.com/meee2254
[01:35] <micahg> ok
[01:36] <micahg> so you might want to uninstalled 2 of those
[01:36] <micahg> which flash player would you like to try?
[01:36] <StevensUbuntuTr1> I am new to this.  Do you think Gnash is a good choice?
[01:38] <StevensUbuntuTr1> micahg:  What is the best way to remove the other two?  Terminal or Synaptic package manager?   What commands from the terminal would you recommend?
[01:38] <micahg> either
[01:39] <micahg> synaptic if you are ntot familiar with the terminal
[01:39] <BUGabundo> sudo apt-get remove --purge PACKAGE
[01:43] <StevensUbuntuTr1> Ok, only 2 gone.  Only Gnash remains
[01:44] <micahg> ok
[01:44] <micahg> now restart firefox
[01:44] <StevensUbuntuTr1> restarted
[01:45] <micahg> ok
[01:45] <micahg> try a flash site :)
[01:46] <StevensUbuntuTr1> It does not work.  It just looks like it is loading and never plays.
[01:47] <micahg> what type of internet connection?
[01:47] <StevensUbuntuTr1> wlan
[01:47] <micahg> ok
[01:47] <StevensUbuntuTr1> to comcast
[01:47] <micahg> ok, can you start firefox with -p
[01:47] <micahg> and try to create a new profile
[01:48] <micahg> so we can see if that is the issue?
[01:48] <micahg> you don't have to delete the old one
[01:48] <StevensUbuntuTr1> I tried that before and it just started as if I didn't type -p
[01:48] <StevensUbuntuTr1> I will try in again
[01:49] <micahg> firefox -p
[01:49] <BUGabundo> micahg: oh nvm I was going to say to try safemode.... but that doesn't bring flash lol
[01:49] <StevensUbuntuTr1> Yes.  That just opened firefox regularly
[01:50] <BUGabundo> -ProfileManager
[01:50] <micahg> Did you install firefox from synatptic?
[01:50] <BUGabundo> no -p
[01:50] <BUGabundo> -P <profile>		Start with <profile>.
[01:50] <BUGabundo> -ProfileManager		Start with ProfileManager.
[01:50] <BUGabundo> micahg: RTFM :)
[01:50] <micahg> BUGabundo: so why does -p work for me?
[01:51] <BUGabundo> no idea
[01:51] <BUGabundo> I've always used profilemanager
[01:51] <StevensUbuntuTr1> Neither work here.  It just opens firefox as if I clicked on it.   Firefox was already installed with Ubuntu
[01:51] <StevensUbuntuTr1> when I loaded it from the CD
[01:52] <micahg> StevensUbuntuTr1: can you post apt-cache policy firefox-3.0
[01:52] <BUGabundo> humm
[01:53] <BUGabundo> you have one other FF opened
[01:53] <BUGabundo> StevensUbuntuTr1: $ ps auxw | grep firefox
[01:53] <BUGabundo> and pastebin that
[01:54] <StevensUbuntuTr1> http://pastebin.com/m2e2d3f2b
[01:55] <BUGabundo> and ps?
[01:55] <StevensUbuntuTr1> http://pastebin.com/m7f1331e5
[01:55] <micahg> ah, you have to close firefox to restart it with -p or -ProfileManager
[01:56] <BUGabundo> eheh
[01:56] <BUGabundo> +1 for me
[01:57] <StevensUbuntuTr1> ok, it worked. The profile manager opened!
[01:57] <micahg> cool
[01:57] <micahg> can you try creating a new profile
[01:57] <StevensUbuntuTr1> Yes, I have a new one
[01:58] <micahg> please try a flash site while I go get some caffeine
[02:01]  * micahg is back
[02:02] <BUGabundo> bed time. its 2am and I'm up at 7 am.
[02:05] <StevensUbuntuTr1> It did not work
[02:05] <StevensUbuntuTr1> one of the sites won't even load now.  Nevermind the video
[02:06] <micahg> which site?
[02:06] <StevensUbuntuTr1> doctorjuiceplus.com
[02:07] <StevensUbuntuTr1> chirofraudvideo.com loads, but the video doesn't work.
[02:09] <micahg> StevensUbuntuTr1: on the first one, I get redirected to juiceplus.com
[02:10] <micahg> are there any addons in this profile
[02:13] <StevensUbuntuTr1> let me see about the addons
[02:14] <StevensUbuntuTr1> it looks like there are several plugins
[02:16] <micahg> could you list them in pastebin if there are a lot or here if its short?
[02:16] <StevensUbuntuTr1> What is the best way to access and list them?
[02:17] <micahg> about:plugins is for plugins
[02:19] <micahg> not sure how to list addons
[02:19] <micahg> you can screenshot it
[02:21] <StevensUbuntuTr1> I don't know how to do that
[02:21] <StevensUbuntuTr1> There is the Default plugin
[02:21] <StevensUbuntuTr1> the Demo Print Plugin
[02:22] <micahg> that's it?
[02:22] <StevensUbuntuTr1> Quicktime
[02:22] <StevensUbuntuTr1> Shockwave flash
[02:22] <StevensUbuntuTr1> VLC multimedia
[02:22] <micahg> what's the filename for shockwave flash?
[02:22] <StevensUbuntuTr1> I don't know  I am looking at the adons tab in mozilla
[02:23] <micahg> can you go to about:plugins in firefox
[02:32] <StevensUbuntuTr1> http://pastebin.com/m38208242
[02:34] <StevensUbuntuTr1> Is that what you were looking for?
[02:34] <micahg> yeah
[02:34] <micahg> that should be fine
[02:34] <micahg> is there anything under the addons tab?
[02:43] <StevensUbuntuTr1> would you like to know about the plugins?  extentions? etc?
[02:45] <StevensUbuntuTr1> Is there a way to list them in such a way to paste them to pastbin?
[02:46] <micahg> the extensions
[02:46] <micahg> sorry
[02:46] <micahg> it used to be addons :)
[02:55] <StevensUbuntuTr1> Ubuntu Firefox Modifications 0.7
[02:55] <StevensUbuntuTr1> Ubuntu Firefox pack
[02:55] <StevensUbuntuTr1> :)
[02:56] <micahg> Well, can you play a youtube video?
[02:57] <StevensUbuntuTr1> I am trying
[02:58] <StevensUbuntuTr1> It is not working
[03:00] <micahg> ugh
[03:00] <StevensUbuntuTr1> youtube is working.  Bad performance
[03:00] <micahg> ah
[03:00] <StevensUbuntuTr1> very slow and choppy
[03:00] <StevensUbuntuTr1> but working
[03:00] <micahg> that's a different story :)
[03:00] <micahg> right click in the video and go to settings
[03:01] <StevensUbuntuTr1> youtube has always worked.  When I right click settings is not an option
[03:02] <StevensUbuntuTr1> would you like file- properties?
[03:03] <micahg> you have to right click in the video
[03:05] <StevensUbuntuTri> I am back
[03:05] <StevensUbuntuTri> my connection got lost
[03:05] <micahg> ok
[03:05] <micahg> try to right click in the video
[03:05] <micahg> do you have any options?
[03:06] <micahg> I don't use gnash, so I'm not sure what you'll get
[03:06] <micahg> oh, can you post lshw -C video to pastebin
[03:06] <StevensUbuntuTri> File, Edit View, Movie Control,  Help
[03:07] <micahg> really, wow
[03:07] <micahg> ok
[03:07] <micahg> movie control
[03:07] <micahg> do you have anything abotu hardware acceleration
[03:10] <StevensUbuntuTri> MAybe Edit- Preferences
[03:10] <StevensUbuntuTri> There is something that says performance
[03:11] <StevensUbuntuTri> I click player
[03:11] <StevensUbuntuTri> under performance it asks max size of movie player
[03:11] <StevensUbuntuTri> library
[03:11] <StevensUbuntuTri> not player
[03:11] <StevensUbuntuTri> it is set to 8
[03:11] <micahg> not sure
[03:12] <micahg> df -h
[03:12] <micahg> oops
[03:13] <StevensUbuntuTri> http://pastebin.com/m66fc0cd2
[03:16] <micahg> lspci -vv -s 01:05.0
[03:17] <micahg> I think it could be your video driver
[03:18] <StevensUbuntuTri> http://pastebin.com/m14b1b73e
[03:19] <StevensUbuntuTri> It went bad just like that?
[03:19] <micahg> well
[03:20] <micahg> what do you mean
[03:20] <micahg> did flash work before?
[03:20] <StevensUbuntuTri> Yes it worked before
[03:20] <micahg> before Jaunty?
[03:21] <StevensUbuntuTri> Yes and at the beginning of Jaunty
[03:21] <StevensUbuntuTri> It worked up until about a week ago.
[03:21] <StevensUbuntuTri>  I am not sure what I did differently
[03:23] <StevensUbuntuTri> DVD's play just fine.
[03:24] <micahg> DVDs aren't flash
[03:24] <micahg> did you install a new flahsplayer?
[03:24] <StevensUbuntuTri> I know, but if my video driver was messed up would they play?
[03:25] <StevensUbuntuTri> I don't know.  Just giving more info:)
[03:25] <StevensUbuntuTri> Gnash
[03:26] <StevensUbuntuTri> We went through that earlier.  I am not sure if it was you, but someone was helping me
[03:26] <StevensUbuntuTri> remove swfdec and non free plugin
[03:26] <micahg> yeah I did
[03:26] <micahg> well
[03:26] <micahg> flash is resource intensive
[03:28] <micahg> take a look at /var/log/apt/term.log
[03:28] <StevensUbuntuTri> It worked when I was running XP.  I read that Linux was a way to give an old PC new life.
[03:28] <StevensUbuntuTri> ok I will check that
[03:28] <micahg> see if anything was upgraded over the past week
[03:28] <micahg> ah
[03:28] <micahg> so it wasn't working on Linux?
[03:29] <StevensUbuntuTri> It was in the beginning.  Up until about a week ago
[03:29] <micahg> ah
[03:30] <micahg> so check that log file
[03:30] <micahg> every version of flash is more resource intensive
[03:30] <micahg> other stuff should work just as well on an old pc
[03:30] <StevensUbuntuTri> I typed cd /var/log/apt/term.log  and got an error
[03:31] <micahg> which version of ubuntu?
[03:31] <StevensUbuntuTr1> jaunty
[03:31] <micahg> k x or regular
[03:31] <micahg> sorry, flavor
[03:31] <StevensUbuntuTr1> I just installed it from the CD
[03:31] <StevensUbuntuTr1> Gnome
[03:31] <micahg> ah
[03:31] <StevensUbuntuTr1> I think
[03:31] <micahg> ok
[03:32] <micahg> sudo less /var/log/apt/term.log
[03:33] <StevensUbuntuTr1> Did you want me to copy and paste what it says to pastebin?
[03:34] <micahg> nah, you can look through it and see if anything was updated like flash, firefox, graphics drivers
[03:35] <StevensUbuntuTri> It looks like it is stuck doing something
[03:36] <micahg> It could be the chipset is no longer supported
[03:36] <micahg> but it shouldn't have changed in teh past week
[03:38] <micahg> I think I've done all I can
[03:38] <micahg> you can hop inteh #ubuntu-x channel and see if they can help you with your video card
[03:40] <StevensUbuntuTr1> My internet is acting up.
[03:41] <StevensUbuntuTr1> What did i do with that?
[03:41] <micahg> what?
[03:42] <StevensUbuntuTr1> That command that you gave me.  It did a lot of stuff.
[03:42] <StevensUbuntuTr1> The terminal will not let me copy and paste it.  I had to keep hitting enter to get it to go through
[03:42] <micahg> no, it's a viewer
[03:42] <micahg> it's meant for you to scroll through
[03:43] <micahg> not copy and paste
[03:43] <micahg> hit q to get out
[03:43] <micahg> sorry
[03:45] <StevensUbuntuTr1> Any ideas
[03:45] <micahg> for?
[03:47] <StevensUbuntuTr1> for the mozilla flash problem
[03:48] <micahg> well
[03:48] <micahg> can you try hulu.com
[03:48] <micahg> is that any better?
[03:52] <StevensUbuntuTr1> Does not work
[03:53] <micahg> same as youtube?
[03:54] <StevensUbuntuTr1> Does not work at all
[03:56] <micahg> ugh
[03:57] <micahg> not sure what to say
[03:57] <micahg> you can try the adobe flash driver and see if it's any better
[03:57] <micahg> if that works, then you can file a bug report against gnash
[03:58] <StevensUbuntuTr1> That is what I started with.
[03:58] <StevensUbuntuTr1> I could reistall
[03:58] <StevensUbuntuTr1> install
[03:59] <StevensUbuntuTri> Is the best way to do that at the adobe website?
[03:59] <micahg> no
[03:59] <micahg> install with the flashplugin-nonfree package
[03:59] <micahg> but remove gnash first
[04:00] <StevensUbuntuTri> ok can we go through the syntax again
[04:00] <micahg> command line?
[04:00] <StevensUbuntuTri> I guess.  Whatever you think is best.
[04:01] <StevensUbuntuTri> Do you think ice weasel would work?
[04:01] <StevensUbuntuTri> or another browser?
[04:01] <micahg> iceweasel is debian's unbranded firefox
[04:01] <micahg> you can try epiphany
[04:01] <micahg> that's the gnome browser
[04:01] <micahg> that's a good idea :)
[04:02] <StevensUbuntuTri> Ok I will go to add/remove programs.  Yes?
[04:02] <micahg> yes
[04:05] <StevensUbuntuTr1> Do I install the Gecko one or the regular?
[04:06] <StevensUbuntuTr1> or both?
[04:06] <micahg> epiphany-gecko
[04:21] <StevensUbuntuTri> ok all done.
[04:21] <StevensUbuntuTri> It is strange.  I am having trouble finding it
[04:23] <micahg> well
[04:23] <micahg> just search for epiphany
[04:23] <micahg> and install the browser one
[04:23] <micahg> it'll instlal the right one
[04:23] <micahg> there is only one in Jaunty
[04:24] <StevensUbuntuTri> It says there are 2 to choose from on installation. one is Epiphany the other is Epiphany (Gecko)
[04:25] <micahg> yeah
[04:25] <micahg> either one will install the same thing
[04:25] <StevensUbuntuTri> It installed them both
[04:25] <micahg> yep
[04:25] <StevensUbuntuTri> for some reason.  I cannot find it on my computer.
[04:25] <micahg> one's a transitional pacakge
[04:25] <micahg> use the gnome menu
[04:25] <micahg> Network -> Epiphany
[04:27] <StevensUbuntuTri> places - search for files cannont find it either
[04:28] <micahg> no
[04:28] <micahg> there should be a menu entry
[04:28] <micahg> in the gnome menu
[04:28] <micahg> under network
[04:29] <StevensUbuntuTri> I do not see network.
[04:29] <StevensUbuntuTri> When you say gnome menu, you just mean the menu at the top of the desktop
[04:29] <micahg> what do you have under the gnome menu?
[04:29] <micahg> yep
[04:30] <StevensUbuntuTri> I will remove then reinstall?
[04:31] <StevensUbuntuTri> or should I reboot?
[04:31] <micahg> no
[04:31] <micahg> what do you have in the menu on the top lefT?
[04:31] <StevensUbuntuTri> applications
[04:32] <micahg> ok
[04:32] <micahg> what's in application
[04:33] <StevensUbuntuTri> Accessories, Games, Graphics, internet, office, programming, sound and video, system tools, wine, add/remove
[04:33] <micahg> ok
[04:34] <micahg> under applications -> internet should be epiphany
[04:34] <StevensUbuntuTri> I know where it should be.  It is not there
[04:35] <micahg> ok, try removing and reinstalling then
[04:35] <StevensUbuntuTri> ok
[04:50] <StevensUbuntuTri> I have no idea why it is not showing up in my gnome menu
[04:50] <StevensUbuntuTri> Can i open it from the terminal?
[04:51] <StevensUbuntuTri> bash: Epiphany: command not found
[04:51] <micahg> lower case :)
[04:52] <StevensUbuntuTri> ok it opened
[04:54] <StevensUbuntuTri> the video didn't work.  It just looks like it is loading and does that forever
[04:55] <micahg> sorry, I"m out of ideas
[04:55] <micahg> you can try #ubuntu
[04:55] <StevensUbuntuTri> Well thank you for all of your help.
[04:56] <micahg> sorry I couldn't fixit
[04:56] <StevensUbuntuTri> no problem!   I very much appreciate you spending the time trying!
[04:57] <StevensUbuntuTri> I will try the other channel tomorrow.  Have a good night!
[05:07] <StevensUbuntuTri> One more detail that might help.   You tube works perfectly when viewed within the Movie player.
[05:08] <micahg> movie player?
[05:08] <StevensUbuntuTri> Totem I think
[05:09] <micahg> ok
[05:10] <StevensUbuntuTri> I did that earlier today.  I am trying to figure out how i did it.
[05:10] <StevensUbuntuTri> oh, click properties
[05:10] <StevensUbuntuTri> select youtube
[05:10] <StevensUbuntuTri> and search for a video.
[05:18] <StevensUbuntuTri> I thought that might help with the assessment
[05:19] <micahg> ok
[05:20] <micahg> thank you
[07:48] <micahg> hi gnomefreak
[07:48] <micahg> I'm down to 13 new messages in teh ff package
[07:49] <gnomefreak> hi micahg
[07:50]  * micahg is going to sleep
[07:51] <gnomefreak> its only 02:51
[07:51] <micahg> I have to be up early for work
[07:51] <gnomefreak> micahg: makes sense
[07:51] <gnomefreak> :)
[07:52] <micahg> it's 1:51 for me
[07:52] <micahg> I'll work more on the ff package over the weekend
[07:53] <gnomefreak> micahg: cool. starting monday i will be gone for around a week but as soon as i can get back i will
[07:53] <micahg> ok, I'll ping a sac if I need anything
[07:54] <micahg> gone for good things?
[07:54] <gnomefreak> micahg: surgery on my left eye and i will have right eye sometime after that
[07:54] <micahg> ok, well, I wish you a speedy recovery
[07:55] <gnomefreak> thanks
[07:55] <micahg> night
[07:55] <gnomefreak> night
[08:12] <gnomefreak> why is the live cd installer named ubiquity? Its early so forgive me but it sounded different when looked up the defintion
[09:09] <asac> moin
[09:11] <gnomefreak> morning
[09:12] <gnomefreak> asac: can you look at this bug, its sounding like flash doesnt work properly on lpia. not sure how to test without that arch. bug 383786
[09:13]  * gnomefreak goes fpr smoke
[09:31] <asac> gnomefreak: looked. the bug doesnt sounds particular interesting ;) ... asked something
[09:36] <gnomefreak> asac: thanks i dont know what archs are supported
[09:37] <gnomefreak> this is a great bug bug 383841 i have commented on it using reply and it looks like it hasnt gotten there yet
[09:48] <asac> hmm right. could be that lpia doesnt work
[09:49] <asac> asked in #ubuntu-mobile on what s up
[10:08] <asac> fta: FIREFOX_3_5b99_RELEASE
[11:03] <asac> buildd bustage
[11:04] <asac> ouch
[12:10] <asac> hmm still broken buildds
[12:32] <askand1> Hi, I get constant crashes with firefox in Jaunty, here are three backtraces of three different crashes: http://filebin.ca/gwhzcs/traces.zip
[12:37] <asac> askand1: ok looking
[12:37] <asac> askand1: 1st is crash in flashplayer
[12:38] <asac> askand1: which flash version is that?
[12:39] <asac> try if you can still reproduce without flash
[12:39] <asac> (or with gnash et al)
[12:41] <askand1> asac: I suspected that, Shockwave Flash 10.0 r22
[12:42] <askand1> is all crashes flashplayers fault?
[13:06] <asac> askand1: not sure. please disable flash and see if crashes still happen
[13:08] <askand1> asac: disable=uninstall?
[13:20] <asac> askand1: yes, or disable it in tools -> plugins
[13:20] <asac> err tools -> addons -> plugins
[13:20] <askand1> asac: uninstalled it now, running fine so far :)
[13:20] <asac> heh ok
[13:24] <askand1> asac: and now it crashed again :)
[13:25] <askand1> http://paste2.org/p/249083
[13:28] <asac> askand1: what did you do when it crashed?
[13:30] <askand1> reading an article in wikipedia
[13:38] <gnomefreak> askand1: are you posting your blog on twitter by chance?
[13:41] <askand1> gnomefreak: nope
[13:41] <gnomefreak> damnit
[13:42] <gnomefreak> not you
[13:42] <gnomefreak> asac: are you posting to twitter or ident?
[13:43] <gnomefreak> ah theres coreutils kept back
[13:43] <asac> gnomefreak: to both
[13:43] <asac> identica gets forwarded to twitter
[13:43] <gnomefreak> thats why thanks
[13:44] <gnomefreak> you always turn up green when you should be purple
[13:45] <asac> gnomefreak: ah yeah. you should see both though (at lesat karmic version does)
[13:46] <gnomefreak> asac: im using daily builds and i dont see both
[13:47] <asac> not sure about dailies
[13:50]  * gnomefreak getting sice of this PGO bug :/
[13:51] <gnomefreak> asac: please comment on bug 213708 wether or not this will happen
[13:52] <askand1> asac: do you have an idea on what I can try next to debug this?
[13:54] <asac> askand1: please use strace -f -eopen firefox &> /tmp/log.txt and after startup and using a bit, please paste
[13:54] <asac> also be sure that you have no extensions in use
[13:54] <asac> but i think i already said that
[13:54] <asac> !info xulrunner
[13:54] <asac> ok still here ;)
[13:55] <fta2> asac, "buildds on manual", what does that mean?
[13:56] <asac> fta2: nothing gets build without buildd admins kicking them
[13:56] <asac> so manual builds triggered by hands
[13:56] <fta2> bouahahah
[13:57] <asac> to avoid massive build failures ;)
[13:58] <asac> guess synching coreutils wasnt good ;)
[13:59] <askand1> asac: http://paste2.org/p/249125
[14:03] <asac> askand1: so you still have extensions?
[14:03] <asac> also some other extensions
[14:03] <asac> are you sure it happens if you remove those?
[14:04] <askand1> oh, I reactivated them, will try without them again
[14:06] <gnomefreak> 0ubuntu1.respin1 <<what is the respin1 part for? and is it ours?
[14:06] <gnomefreak> its on xulrunner
[14:07] <asac> gnomefreak: ubuntu1 build happened when karmic archive was still broken
[14:07] <asac> (right after it opened)
[14:07] <asac> so i had a no change respin to fix issues
[14:07] <askand1> asac: it still crashes
[14:07] <asac> askand1: does it happen with fresh profile?
[14:08] <asac> e.g. move .mozilla to a backup place befre starting ffox
[14:08] <asac> regular crashes like this are just unlikely
[14:08] <asac> if we had general issues like that it would definitly get more traction
[14:08] <askand1> that is true
[14:10] <gnomefreak> askand1: ah ok thanks. Someone said its not upgrading bug 383857 i didnt get this bug for some reason
[14:10] <askand1> is it possible that memtest does not catch an error in my memorymodules?
[14:10] <askand1> I should propably change my name ;)
[14:10] <asac> well. if it passes i would think its not hardware
[14:10] <asac> askand1: check fresh profile first
[14:10] <asac> askand1: then it can be graphics driver dependent
[14:10] <asac> or some other corner case causing this
[14:11] <asac> maybe even some bad fonts. which language/fonts are you using?
[14:11] <asac> those backtraces are not easy to understand because its in the cycle collectore which is not really something you can easily reproduce
[14:11] <asac> also the problem usually happens well up-front so the backtrace might not even touch the buggy code
[14:12] <askand1> Im using droid sans and Swedish language
[14:13] <asac> askand1: so try fresh profile and let me know
[14:13] <asac> also get a backtrace from fresh profile
[14:13] <asac> once you still see that and have backtrace, you need to run firefox with valgrind
[14:13] <asac> maybe we can see where things go bad there
[14:15] <askand1> asac: um..gdb segfaulted
[14:16] <asac> askand1: use firefox -g to start ffox in debugger
[14:16] <asac> (not that it matters much here ;))
[14:17] <askand1> gdb crashed again :S
[14:18] <gnomefreak> calendar-google-provider is borked just what i needed
[14:18] <asac> gnomefreak: what are you working on atm?
[14:18] <gnomefreak> bugs
[14:18] <asac> good ;)
[14:18] <asac> thought you worked on iceowl/sunbird
[14:19] <askand1> asac: finally a bug that is 100% reproducable :)
[14:19] <gnomefreak> not today
[14:20] <gnomefreak> calendar-google-provider causing crashes in sunbird and lightning but i wont have time to look at it for the next week. is calendar-google-provider happen to be upstreams extension. its built into our source package but would love to file it upstream if i can. but i need to look at it first
[14:24] <asac> askand1: are you on karmic or jaunty or what?
[14:24] <gnomefreak> it has buildd errors :)
[14:25] <gnomefreak> ill look at it in a week or few
[14:25] <askand1> asac: jaunty
[14:34] <asac> askand1: ok graphics driver is?
[14:36] <askand1> nvidia
[14:52] <asac> askand1: try nv driver
[14:55] <gnomefreak> nvidia is borked in Karmic it seems there is no *-restricted-modules package for 2.6.30*
[14:55] <gnomefreak> it fails to build modules
[14:56] <gnomefreak> bug has been reported already but yet other than changing the descriptiopn noone has looked at it :)
[14:57]  * gnomefreak smoke
[15:01] <asac> thats normal ;)
[15:02] <asac> proprietary drivers are regularly not available for the first half of the cycle ;)
[15:03] <gnomefreak> true but ATI works
[15:03] <gnomefreak> AFAIK its just nvidia on 2.6.30
[15:04] <gnomefreak> my dog will hug you but damn if she will come when called instead she runs away :(
[15:06] <gnomefreak> we need a way to sync firefox profiles so we dont hav to update manually. if you use 3.0 more than 3.5 than sync is great or something of the sort
[15:06] <gnomefreak> bzr branch lp:~gnomefreak/seamonkey/ubuntu-2.x-9.10
[15:07] <gnomefreak> oh damnit
[15:07] <gnomefreak> too many terminals open
[15:07] <asac> gnomefreak: what do you mean with sync firefox profiles?
[15:09] <gnomefreak> asac: say you use 3.0 more than 3.5. well 3.0 has all your most recent work. atm your choices are cp -r profile or move profile manually. syncing it would take those 2 ways and do it itself
[15:09] <gnomefreak> or something of the sort
[15:10] <gnomefreak> make sense?
[15:11] <asac> ah ok.
[15:11] <asac> yeah we need something like weave for that
[15:11] <asac> not sure if there is still any work done in that labs project
[15:12] <gnomefreak> yes there is
[15:12] <gnomefreak> the mailing lists are flooded with weave crap
[15:12]  * gnomefreak still not real sure what the hell it does
[15:16] <gnomefreak> i hope the SM2 build failure was my fault with patches
[15:16] <asac> gnomefreak: weave allows you to sync your places stuff
[15:17] <gnomefreak> going to try today and than worry about it when i return
[15:17] <gnomefreak> asac: ah
[15:18] <gnomefreak> "will 9.10 collide with win7 release"  i got that from someon ein #ubuntu+1 almost like we care about win7 release. hell i must have missed win1-6
[15:19] <gnomefreak> 5600 files updated, 0 files merged, 0 files removed, 0 files unresolved :)
[15:23] <asac> not sure how we can coolide with win7
[15:23] <asac> more details needed to say anything
[15:24] <gnomefreak> vista was released 2 years late so i dont see this being an issue even if Ubuntu cared about win releases
[15:25] <gnomefreak> the day i pick to work on SM2 and karmic chroots have been removed from PPA
[15:25] <gnomefreak> that explains lack of daily updates
[15:28] <asac> yeas ppas ar ebusted
[15:28] <asac> like buildd ;)
[15:29] <fta2> fixed
[15:29] <gnomefreak> yep oh well if it buuilds here ill upload it and it will just build when PPA are back up and running
[15:29] <gnomefreak> fta2: buildds are fixed?
[15:29] <fta2> Preparing to replace coreutils 7.3-1build1 (using .../coreutils_7.4-2_amd64.deb) ...
[15:29] <fta2> Unpacking replacement coreutils ...
[15:29] <fta2> Replacing files in old package mktemp ...
[15:29] <fta2> Processing triggers for man-db ...
[15:29] <fta2> Setting up coreutils (7.4-2) ...
[15:30] <gnomefreak> cool thanks :)
[15:30] <fta2> so i guess the ppas will follow soon enough
[15:31] <asac> fta2: -2 was uploaded 12 hours ago
[15:31] <asac> sure that that wasnt the version causing the pain?
[15:31] <gnomefreak> sounds like only hppa but not real sure havent been following topic too much
[15:31] <gnomefreak> coreutils 7.4-2 is the fixed version
[15:32] <gnomefreak> mercurial mercurial-common is now the only held back packages
[15:35] <gnomefreak> ok gone for a bit. ~1-3hours
[16:31] <asac> enjoy friday. cu tomorrow
[17:10] <micahg> asac: fix Released should only be for bugs that were confirmed to be issues, right?
[17:18] <micahg> bdmurray: ^^^
[20:26] <askand> asac: hi, nvidia removed and crashing continues
[21:08] <askand> asac: will try to reinstall ubuntu
[21:09] <BUGabundo> guud evening
[21:10] <askand> evening BUGabundo
[21:11] <fta> stevel, that was from there: http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/linux/113/
[21:13] <BUGabundo> fta: I had something to ask you , but I forgot
[21:13] <BUGabundo> lets see if I remember
[21:13] <BUGabundo> ahhh got it
[21:13] <BUGabundo> fta: you said you don't know python, so what coding languages do you use/master?
[21:14] <fta> C, perl and shell are my preferred languages
[21:14] <dtchen> don't ask fta about firefox's debian/rules ;)
[21:14] <fta> BUGabundo, but i know a whole lot more
[21:15] <fta> dtchen, this one is probably better: http://paste.ubuntu.com/189204/ ;)
[21:15] <BUGabundo> dtchen: is that for me? why shouldn't I ask fta about that?
[21:17] <fta> i should add make to the list
[21:18] <dtchen> bahaha
[21:19] <BUGabundo> LOL
[21:27] <mbana> i'm starting to believe that firefox is using bitmapped ver. of ARial
[21:27] <mbana> 3.1
[21:44] <fta> hmm, tricky.. i need to run a test file, in both gdb and xvfb and protected by a timeout
[21:52] <fta> timeout 20 xvfb-run gdb ./ui_tests
[21:53] <fta> seems ok.. let's try with the buildd
[21:57] <dtchen> asac: / fta: i can add that 3.0.11 works fine on jaunty and intrepid, too
[22:47] <fta> dtchen, did you have a chance to play with my bot yet?
[22:59] <dtchen> fta: not yet, will be next week
[23:01] <fta> ok
[23:09] <ryanprior> Hey there. I just installed the firefox-3.1 package and now Firefox won't start. I asked moznet/firefox and they say that your packaged version, 3.1a2, is very out-of-date and that I should ask you for help. How do I get a recent, working package?
[23:09] <fta> indeed, 3.1a2 is very old, where did you get that from?
[23:10] <ryanprior> from your PPA
[23:10] <BUGabundo> humm you mean 3.5 ?
[23:10] <BUGabundo> fta: did you update/remove from your ppa?
[23:10] <fta> hm, no but it's not that old, or is it?
[23:11] <fta>      3.5~b4~hg20090330r24021+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~fta1 0
[23:11] <fta> old indeed but not that old
[23:11] <fta>      3.5~hg20090603r25856+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1 0
[23:12] <fta> ryanprior, did you read the whiteboard of my ppa?
[23:12] <ryanprior> fta: Probably not, lemme RTFM and brb.
[23:13] <BUGabundo> ryanprior: you are better of with mozilla team PPA or daily PPA
[23:13] <ryanprior> fta: I see now that I made a communication error.
[23:13] <ryanprior> When I said "your PPA" I actually meant "from mozilla-team's PPA"
[23:13] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:14] <ryanprior> I enabled mozilla team's PPA, then installed the firefox-3.1 package
[23:14] <fta> oh, yeah, that ppa is unmaintained :(
[23:14] <ryanprior> That's too bad, I figured it would be the authoritative one. :-(
[23:15] <ryanprior> Whose PPA should I use?
[23:15] <fta> the freshest things we have are in https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[23:15] <BUGabundo> fta: too much work to upgrade MT PPA ?
[23:16] <fta> BUGabundo, yes, at least for me
[23:17] <fta> especially since i started chromium
[23:17] <BUGabundo> I bet
[23:17] <BUGabundo> one more bot managing certain mile stones?
[23:17] <BUGabundo> fta: what was that all about, when google _recommend_ linux and mac user not to install Chrome ?
[23:18] <ryanprior> Okay, I'm using the daily updates one now.
[23:18] <ryanprior> BUGabundo: they said "don't install it... unless you're a tester and like programs that crash"
[23:18] <fta> BUGabundo, just to stay on the safe side, it means "it's not complete, so if you use it, don't complain to us" ;)
[23:19] <BUGabundo> I got that too
[23:19] <BUGabundo> but news sites, are making it sound worse
[23:19] <BUGabundo> its like crazy ppl installing Karmic
[23:19] <BUGabundo> oh wait, I'm running that too
[23:19] <BUGabundo> fta: so now we will have chrome and chromium on Linux ?
[23:20] <fta> hm, sort of. chromium only from downstream, and chrome only from google
[23:20] <fta> but it's 99.99% the same
[23:21] <BUGabundo> ok
[23:21] <BUGabundo> thanks for clearing that up
[23:21] <fta> well, chromium is built from source on each distro, while chrome is just a binary blog you're getting from google built who knows how
[23:22] <fta> it's probably built on hardy
[23:22] <BUGabundo> heehehheeheh
[23:22] <fta> the only missing part is the google updater but we don't want that anyway
[23:23] <fta> and the branding, but i kind of like the blue one, more relaxing