[02:15] <MythbuntuGuest22> I have a pvr 500 with a samsung tuner and I cant get video on /dev/video0 ( 1 works fine)
[02:16] <MythbuntuGuest22> I am runny jaunty Mythbuntu on a amd 64 dell.
[02:16] <MythbuntuGuest22> it was working like a champ under MCE.
[02:17] <MythbuntuGuest22> I have looked at a lot of post about the samsung tuner but am not sure where to turn.
[02:17] <MythbuntuGuest22> Any Ideas ? should I try intrepid instead?
[02:17] <MythbuntuGuest22> thanks Eric Smith
[06:08] <merlin^> Okay so I loaded mythbuntu, latest version, and when I try to go to set up the backend ( http://turl.ca/mythbackend ) it goes to a blank screen with a box ( http://turl.ca/mythfail ) and sits.. then if I hit escape it goes to a blank-ish screen ( http://turl.ca/mythblank ) and sits.... trust me, I wait a LONG time (like go make a pizza) for something to appear...  This is on a fresh install on a decent machine with a Radeon 7000 video card.   Any th
[06:45] <merlin^> Okay howabout this? What's the most popular AGP video card that works with mythbuntu?
[14:42] <MythbuntuGuest72> hi
[14:42] <MythbuntuGuest72> anyone here in the chatroom?
[14:42] <MythbuntuGuest72> I have a myth question
[14:43] <MythbuntuGuest72> !help
[14:43] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[14:43] <MythbuntuGuest72> I have it setup but there is only blue background when I went to apple trailer
[16:41] <henrik__> seems like there is some trubble with the weekly server
[16:41] <henrik__> http://weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mythplugins/mytharchive_0.21.0+fixes20673-0ubuntu0+mythbuntu2_i386.deb  404 Not Found
[16:45] <superm1> henrik__, hm wonder if it's just in the middle of mirroring
[16:49] <henrik__> okej cause jaunty works fine!
[16:49] <henrik__> it does not work for 9.04
[16:50] <henrik__> sorry the other way around.. 9.04 works 8.10 does not..
[16:50] <henrik__> superm1, have you heard any problems with the previous fixes?
[16:50] <henrik__> Ever since I installed it I have been having alot of trubble... my xorg has died on me
[16:51] <henrik__> and I have got the whole screen green after about 10 min of watching, if I go back to the menu the screen is as usual.
[16:51] <henrik__> I'm on a nvidia card
[16:54] <superm1> no i've not heard this
[16:54] <superm1> generally -fixes doesn't cause that kind of stuff..
[17:33] <henrik__> superm1, I think I found the problem... my gf card is not working.. can you please release a fix for that?? :P
[20:16] <hansoffate> Hi, my commflag jobs aren't running for some reason
[20:16] <hansoffate> I just upgraded from intrepid to jaunty, but it was broken before hand
[20:16] <hansoffate> I think it may have been because my mysql database got corrupt, but since then I've repaired the tables
[20:16] <hansoffate> any ideas what could be causing this?
[20:28] <Blz> Hello!  I have a few questions regarding the transition to digital broadcast, specifically as it concerns digital/analog simulcasting over cable
[20:28] <Blz> I'm in the US
[20:29] <Blz> I'd like to know if digital tuners will be needed to record digital cable without a settop box (this is for SDTV)
[20:29] <Blz> or if I can use my current PVR-150
[20:41] <rhpot1991> Blz: depends on your cable provider, if they keep analog you can keep using your 150, if not you will need a converter box or a new tuner
[20:41] <rhpot1991> !digital conversion | Blz
[20:41] <Zinn> Blz: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Digital_Television
[20:42] <Blz> rhpot1991:  okay that's what I figured.  now assuming they don't keep analog.  Can a digital tuner read a digital cable stream or is that entirely different?
[20:42] <Blz> and thanks for the link. i'll check that out right away
[20:42] <rhpot1991> depends on the stream, odds are it will be mostly encrypted and you will need some sort of box to receive them
[20:43] <Blz> ugh. figures.  I guess I'm probably better off calling them and asking
[20:43] <rhpot1991> for instance with my comcast I can get my locals with a digital tuner, but pretty much everything else I need to use the stb or an analog card for SD
[20:43] <Blz> rhpot1991:  out of curiosity, how much latency does using the STB cause?
[20:43] <Blz> i'm assuming you use an IR blaster?
[20:44] <rhpot1991> I do firewire actually
[20:44] <Blz> oh okay
[20:44] <Blz> and how's the latency on that?
[20:44] <rhpot1991> but thats hit or miss, I can record most channels but not all
[20:44] <rhpot1991> also I'm pretty luck in that requard as I understand it
[20:44] <rhpot1991> reguard
[20:44] <Blz> yeah i've heard some people have zero luck with that
[20:45] <Blz> now if i use my pvr150 and a STB w/ IR blaster, that'll allow me to watch, record everything, right?
[20:45] <rhpot1991> all recordings will be a few seconds behind, as you are recording to the hard drive, and then watching from there
[20:45] <rhpot1991> Blz: should be able to, will only be SD of course
[20:45] <hansoffate> won't the pvr150 not be working soon, at least in the US because of the digital cut over
[20:45] <hansoffate> ?
[20:45] <hansoffate> doesn't it only record analog
[20:46] <rhpot1991> if your cable company stops giving you analog hansoffate
[20:46] <rhpot1991> some are some aren't
[20:46] <hansoffate> hmm
[20:46] <hansoffate> interesting, we'll see
[20:46] <rhpot1991> some of them are going digital only and giving you a "free" stb to compensate
[20:46] <Blz> hansoffate:  yes, but we're talking about either recording an analog simulcast of digital cable or recording the output of a STB
[20:46] <rhpot1991> I've heard of some that are moving some of those channels to clear QAM too, I'd love that
[20:46] <Blz> oh are they?
[20:46] <Blz> probably not comcast though
[20:46] <rhpot1991> IIRC it was comcast out west
[20:46] <Blz> since they can't even leave bittorrent alone without a lawsuit
[20:47] <rhpot1991> :)
[20:47] <hansoffate> yea, i already got an HD STB to record my HD shows, but I use my pvr500 to record alot of non-hd shows that are on at the same time.  When they cut over, I won't be able to record  multiple shows at the same time, unless the pvr500 works
[20:47] <hansoffate> Yea, I have comcast
[20:47] <rhpot1991> Blz: they can't give me a working interweb conenction or a TV image that doesn't ghost either :(
[20:47] <rhpot1991> they have to give you notice about cutting out analog I am pretty sure
[20:47] <Blz> this is going to be a huge pain
[20:48] <rhpot1991> most likely on your bill
[20:48] <Blz> hmm
[20:48] <rhpot1991> I'd say don't worry about it till it happens
[20:48] <hansoffate> rhpot1991: do you have any idea about my issue I posted above.  My commflag jobs aren't running.  I can see them in the queue on mythweb though.
[20:48] <rhpot1991> hansoffate: restarted the backend since the issues came up?
[20:48] <hansoffate> yup, and the computer
[20:48] <hansoffate> also repaired the mysql tables
[20:49] <rhpot1991> go into the info center and see if they are listed in there?
[20:49] <rhpot1991> I've seen them get junked up and the old ones report as still running or being around but it has since moved on and ran new copies
[20:49] <hansoffate> I can't right now, but I will when I can.  I'm at work right now so I'm trying to fix it via SSH
[20:49] <rhpot1991> hansoffate: you are positive that new ones are not running?
[20:50] <rhpot1991> sounds like maybe it has a job thats stuck, and it thinks its still running and holding up the queue in the process
[20:50] <hansoffate> yea, I press Z and it says commercials haven't been flagged
[20:50] <hansoffate> how would I delete the job?
[20:50] <hansoffate> through info center?
[20:50] <hansoffate> never had an issue with comm flag so I've never really played around with it
[20:50] <rhpot1991> you can prob hop in to mythtv-setup and make sure that commflagging/jobs/etc are enabled
[20:50] <rhpot1991> hansoffate: ya, you can delete pause etc in there
[20:50] <hansoffate> yea, i've done that and it is enabled
[20:50] <hansoffate> ok cool
[20:51] <Blz> Sorry to interrupt, but can either of you recommend a well-supported digital tuner card?  dual tuners are preferred
[20:51] <rhpot1991> can do a ps aux |grep mythcommflag and see whats going on too
[20:51] <hansoffate> I might try to SSH tunnel mythfrontend and try doing that.
[20:51] <rhpot1991> Blz: HDHR
[20:51] <hansoffate> kk
[20:51] <rhpot1991> hansoffate:
[20:51] <Blz> rhpot1991:  is that the model or the brand?  also, I'm watching SDTV
[20:51] <rhpot1991> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythExport_old
[20:51] <rhpot1991> scroll down to MythTV Configuration
[20:52] <rhpot1991> I have images of the setup page that has the commflag switch in there, check to make sure its still enabled
[20:52] <hansoffate> mythtv    6373  0.0  0.0   1872   152 ?        S    Jun02   0:00 sh -c /usr/bin/mythcommflag -j 698 -V 3
[20:52] <hansoffate> mythtv    6374  0.5  2.1 171036 43932 ?        DNl  Jun02  21:35 /usr/bin/mythcommflag -j 698 -V 3
[20:52] <hansoffate> 1000     13334  0.0  0.0   3336   804 pts/1    R<+  12:51   0:00 grep mythcommflag
[20:52] <hansoffate> mythtv   15817  0.0  0.0   1872   500 ?        S    Jun04   0:00 sh -c /usr/bin/mythcommflag -j 698 -V 3
[20:52] <hansoffate> mythtv   15818  0.3  4.8 171204 100952 ?       DNl  Jun04   2:52 /usr/bin/mythcommflag -j 698 -V 3
[20:52] <hansoffate> woops, sorry for the flood, shoulda pastebin that
[20:52] <rhpot1991> Blz: http://www.silicondust.com/products/hdhomerun
[20:52] <rhpot1991> with SD only you are prob better blasting to a converter box though
[20:53] <Blz> thank you!
[20:53] <Blz> rhpot1991:  why is that?
[20:53] <rhpot1991> there are some hauppauge dual tunners that do analog and digital that might help too
[20:53] <Blz> oh. i'll look into that
[20:54] <rhpot1991> Blz: you'd only be able to capture unencrypted channels with the HDHR, and IR blasting to the converter boxes isn't supposed to be that hard
[20:54] <hansoffate> rhpot1991: are you reallly born in 1991?
[20:54] <rhpot1991> nope
[20:54] <hansoffate> oh
[20:54] <hansoffate> lol
[20:54] <Blz> makes sense.  I'm just worried abuot lag.  that can be quite anoying
[20:54] <hansoffate> i'd say, you're pretty damn knowledgeable about linux for being a 90's kiddy
[20:54] <Zinn> hansoffate: Please watch your language.
[20:54] <Blz> *annoying,e ven
[20:54] <hansoffate> woops
[20:54] <Blz> kiddy bad language?
[20:55] <hansoffate> amn knowledgable
[20:55] <hansoffate> i thought it was kiddy too at first
[20:55] <hansoffate> lol
[20:56]  * rhpot1991 tells zinn its ok
[20:56] <hansoffate> lol
[20:56] <hansoffate> d amn shouldn't be a bad word, they use it all the time on TV
[20:57] <rhpot1991> Blz: I like to look at most things as in what can it get you, firewire is a hugeheadache, but I can record things like USA/discovery HD/etc
[20:57] <rhpot1991> so its prob worth the effort of IR blasting to a converter box if you can keep those 70 some channels you have now instead of reducing to 7
[20:57] <hansoffate> I'm using firewire for my HD STB and it surprisingly works really well
[20:57] <hansoffate> I can get most of the channels
[20:57] <rhpot1991> maybe they wont cut out analog for you and it wont be an issue in the end
[20:58] <rhpot1991> hansoffate: it works well till you accidentailly tune to a channel you can't record and your backend goes down :(
[20:58] <rhpot1991> has random hiccups too
[20:58] <Blz> yeah i guess the first order of business is to call Comcast
[20:58] <Blz> thanks for the help thoguh guys
[20:58] <Blz> it definitely clears some things up
[20:58] <rhpot1991> Blz: good luck getting any useful info :)
[20:58] <Blz> i know...
[20:58] <hansoffate> yea,  I was surprised that comcast had so many unrestricted channels thorugh their STB with firewire
[20:58] <Blz> i mean i have nothing against India and Indians
[20:58] <rhpot1991> hansoffate: depends on your area
[20:59] <Blz> but tech support...
[20:59] <Blz> oh man...
[20:59] <rhpot1991> for me I can get most HD channels, and thats all I really care about anymore
[20:59] <hansoffate> but ive definitely had the backend go down because ive accidently tried to record something on Cartoon Network HD, which we don't have
[20:59] <hansoffate> Yup, same.
[20:59] <rhpot1991> between that and my HDHR for OTA channels I can't watch everything I record
[21:00] <rhpot1991> Blz: I've learned a lesson with comcast recently, get anything important in writing...
[21:00] <hansoffate> so whats the point of getting HDHR, if I can get all the OTA channels via comcast thorugh the firewire?
[21:00] <rhpot1991> they randomly have "no record" of a 6 month refund I was supposed to receive
[21:00] <hansoffate> wow
[21:00] <hansoffate> thats a lot of fmoney
[21:01] <rhpot1991> hansoffate: 2 tunners for ~$150 that just work
[21:01] <rhpot1991> I had many a nights where I sat down to watch TV to realize that something went wrong with the firewire and I missed the whole night
[21:01] <Blz> rhpot1991:  good point.  that way if they give me bad advice I can ream them out
[21:02] <rhpot1991> plus this way when comcast makes me angry I can just get an antenna and move on, can't sell my wife on that yet though
[21:02] <hansoffate> rhpot1991: yea, ive definitely missed all my programs on thursday nights a few times because the firewire somehow got slightly disconnected.  it really sucks.
[21:02] <rhpot1991> exactly
[21:02] <hansoffate> lol
[21:02] <hansoffate> yea
[21:03] <rhpot1991> after having that happen a few times I only use firewire when I need it, that way if I need to recover a recording from the interwebs its normally only one by the time I realize something went wrong
[21:04] <hansoffate> my roommate keeps pushing me to reload my mythbuntu system to Vista or Windows 7 to use MCE.  I always tell him that's never going to happen.  My mythbuntu system is the powerhouse and server of our house.  It has so many backend servers running, I wouldn't be able to replicate all the functionality that one system has on a Windows system.
[21:05] <rhpot1991> I like owning my recordings thank you :)
[21:05] <hansoffate> mce windows owns your recordigns?
[21:06] <rhpot1991> from what I've heard you can't just move them around or do what you want with them
[21:06] <hansoffate> hmm, interesting.  but you cna't really do that with mythtv either.
[21:07] <hansoffate> i mean, i've had my mysql tables get corrupt, and I coudln't play anything recorded
[21:07] <hansoffate> so i tried to watch them directly from /var/???/mythtv/recordings  and the titles are so unreadable
[21:07] <rhpot1991> sure you can, you can just pick up your recordings and move them elsewhere
[21:07] <hansoffate> but eventually I found the tv show I wanted to watch, and was able to watch it
[21:07] <rhpot1991> well ya they aren't in human readable names, you can rename them if you want
[21:07] <hansoffate> yea
[21:08] <rhpot1991> /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/mythrename.pl.gz
[21:08] <rhpot1991> extract that, and use it
[21:08] <hansoffate> ooo. no idea that exsisted.  cool
[21:09] <hansoffate> existed*
[21:09] <hansoffate> alright, enough of a break. got to go back to reloading this vista system >.<
[21:09] <hansoffate> tech support ftw
[21:10] <rhpot1991> have fun with that
[21:11] <hansoffate> Oh, I will. lol.  At least I get paid for watching blue bars all day :)
[21:18] <Blz> RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE
[21:18] <Blz> well... Comcast is stopping the analog simulcast once the digital switch takes place
[21:18] <Blz> and their broadcast is QAM encrypted
[21:19] <Blz> so I guess I have a few questions about using a set top box with myth
[21:20] <Blz> mainly... if I use the IR blaster and then plug the STB output into my PVR150:  A)  Can I use on-demand?  B)  Will I be using the tv guide from the comcast box or provided by myth (i.e. schedules direct)
[21:21] <rhpot1991> you can try to use on demand, the delay is gonna make it tricky
[21:22] <rhpot1991> and I always use schedules direct data, you could use the comcast data for on screen, but you can't for scheduling or anything
[21:22] <rhpot1991> that answer that question?
[21:22] <rhpot1991> did they offer you a converter or stb or anything for free?
[21:24] <Blz> yeah that makes sense
[21:24] <Blz> no they didn't offer anything
[21:24] <Blz> i mean the stb is included
[21:25] <Blz> and they don't have a digital simulcast, they're just taking it away
[21:26] <rhpot1991> "For no extra charge, Comcast will provide customers in the affected areas with one advanced digital set-top box that can access on-demand programming, and up to two low-end boxes that will need to be paired with digital terminal adapters (DTAs)."
[21:26] <rhpot1991> I see in articles about them making the switch out west
[21:27] <rhpot1991> they normally include 1 SD stb
[21:27] <rhpot1991> then charget you +$6.50 to upgrade each one to HD
[21:27] <rhpot1991> and charge you +$8.90 extra outlet per box
[21:27]  * rhpot1991 has fought with comcast about billing too much as of recently
[21:28] <Blz> wait... maybe i'm missing your point, but how does this affect me?  I'm recording sdtv
[21:28] <Blz> and I have one set top box included in my contract
[21:28] <Blz> i just don't use it
[21:28] <Blz> but i will
[21:28] <rhpot1991> ya if they cut off analog, then you need a box for every hookup
[21:28] <Blz> right okay.
[21:29] <Blz> i guess i should see if they have any offers in my area
[21:29] <Blz> maybe i'll hook up another set
[21:29] <rhpot1991> you can claim they are taking away service and they should give you a box per each analog "device" you have
[21:29] <rhpot1991> then you can have one for your tv, one for your pvr-150, etc
[21:29] <Blz> that's a good point
[21:30] <Blz> yeah. i bet i could even buy  a second pvr150 for cheap now that the conversion is iminent
[21:30] <rhpot1991> just watch that they don't try to randomly charge you
[21:30] <rhpot1991> I hear they can be had for cheap on ebay
[21:30] <rhpot1991> impossible to find new ones though
[21:30] <Blz> no big deal
[21:30] <Blz> those things are pretty robust
[21:30] <Blz> i'll need a second blaster too
[21:31] <Blz> now just to be clear, myth automatically pick which card to use and routs commands to the apropriate blaster, right?
[21:31] <rhpot1991> I believe so
[21:31] <rhpot1991> I don't blast so I'm a bad one to tell you for sure
[21:31] <rhpot1991> if your box has firewire you can change channels via that very easily too
[21:32] <rhpot1991> and it should be more accurate than blasting
[21:32] <Blz> i thought you said firewire support was  problematic?
[21:32] <Blz> oooh you were talking about firewire output, right?
[21:36] <rhpot1991> ya
[21:36] <rhpot1991> if you try to tune to an encrypted channel, bad things happen
[21:36] <rhpot1991> normally loses connection and then you miss the rest of your recordings
[21:36] <rhpot1991> but for channel changing, that doesn't matter
[21:37] <rhpot1991> it just blasts a signal to the box which changes channels, then you capture your analog signal coming out of that
[21:42] <Blz> rhpot1991:  and that should work with any box that has a firewire port?
[21:42] <rhpot1991> Blz: provided its enabled
[21:42] <rhpot1991> motorolla?
[21:42] <Blz> rhpot1991:  yeah
[21:42] <rhpot1991> are you in front of it now?
[21:43] <Blz> no. I'm actually not in the apartment
[21:43] <Blz> but it's black lol
[21:43] <Blz> i'm sure they all are
[21:43] <rhpot1991> you can google later, but you hit power then enter/select/whatever the middle button is
[21:43] <rhpot1991> and it should take you to the diagnostic screen
[21:43] <rhpot1991> in the menus there you can view the status, it should say something i394 enabled
[21:44] <Blz> okay I'll check that out
[21:44] <Blz> i think it's this one:  http://www.yourtownscable.com/images/cablebox_motorola.jpg
[21:44] <Blz> i dunno if that looks familiar to you
[21:44] <rhpot1991> by FCC law they have to give you a stb that has firewire enabled and has access to the local channels, not really enforced though
[21:45] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/FireWire#FCC_regulations
[21:46] <Blz> i thought that was only for hd boxes
[21:47] <Blz> yeah it's only for HD boxes
[21:47] <Blz> alright
[21:48] <Blz> I'll have to look into this more
[21:48] <Blz> thanks for the help though
[21:48] <rhpot1991> no problem, good luck
[21:48] <Blz> thanks. i'll be back for sure
[21:48] <Blz> I'll call out your name until you show up lol
[22:36] <hansoffate> ugh, only 5 more hours of work >.<