[00:12] <tsimpson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots may need some clean up work now...
[02:46] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[02:46] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[02:48] <Jack_Sparrow> Any other ops around, I have a question
[02:54] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: I am now, whats up?
[02:54] <Jack_Sparrow> ty.
[02:55] <Jack_Sparrow> I used /cs bans xxxxx  and found   * Bans matching xxxxx!n=xxx@host-70-45-90-242.onelinkpr.net (xxxxxxx)
[02:55] <Jack_Sparrow> But in bantracker I saw nothing?
[02:55] <Jack_Sparrow> He is in ubuntu now.
[02:55] <Jack_Sparrow> and ty Pici
[02:57] <Seeker`> bantracker isn't exhaustive
[02:57] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: Sorry, I don't use that script, but the BT can be wrong.
[02:57] <Jack_Sparrow> Where do I check from here.  
[02:58] <Pici> If ubottu isn't online for whatever reason when a ban is placed, it won't have it.. although there should be a synchronization that is done.
[02:58] <Jack_Sparrow> noted
[02:58] <Pici> What ban do you see placed for that user? 
[02:58] <Jack_Sparrow> I had not gotten that far, I have him in pm at the moment
[03:02] <Pici> @login
[03:02] <Jack_Sparrow> I dont see it in the ubuntu "xchat" list.  But then I have been up for 18 hours
[03:03] <Pici> I don't think your /cs bans is reporting properly
[03:03] <Pici> Try doing it for a user you know isn't banned, like me.
[03:05] <Jack_Sparrow> Didnt show any bans for you
[03:05] <Pici> What you pasted above for xxxxx doesnt look like a ban either
[03:06] <Seeker`> I dont see any bans
[03:06] <Seeker`> I did /bans
[03:06] <Seeker`> follwed by 
[03:06] <Jack_Sparrow> np.  best I take a nap..  He was brought to my attention by a user in channel and jrib just had a ot for him
[03:06] <Seeker`> /lastlog -file ubu #ubuntu: ban
[03:07] <Seeker`> then cat ubu | grep xxxxx
[03:07] <Seeker`> didn't show anything
[03:07] <Jack_Sparrow> pricytold me to start using that command after I tried to umute a mibbit user with the script
[03:07] <Pici> Why not just /bans  then /lastlog xxxxx  ?
[03:08] <Seeker`> Pici: too easy
[03:08] <Pici> :P
[03:08] <Seeker`> its 03:10 and I have been up since 0800 yesterday
[03:08] <Seeker`> and will have to get up in < 5 hours time
[03:08] <Pici> I feel your pain
[03:08] <Seeker`> so it is now bedtime
[03:08] <Jack_Sparrow> nini
[03:08] <Pici> goodnight
[03:33] <Flannel> Myrtti: got me what?
[03:39] <Flannel> Oh, that.
[03:40] <Flannel> You might as well remove the mute.  He never really talks in channel anyway.  Next time he'll come back as another nick, and then I'll remove him once he changes it, as he's been warned plenty.
[05:51] <Amaranth> grr
[05:52] <Amaranth> @login
[06:53] <Myrtti> HOLD ON
[06:53] <Myrtti> that's sneaky
[06:53] <Myrtti> I misjoined #ubuntu
[06:53] <Myrtti> /join #ubunt
[06:54] <Myrtti> it's a forward to a channel called #sudobash
[06:54] <Myrtti> what's this?
[06:55] <elky_work> oh what?
[06:55] <Myrtti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/188791/
[06:56] <elky_work> sudobash is a trollie
[06:56] <Myrtti> elky_work: I know!
[06:56] <elky_work> nalioth, care to staff-hat a solution to ^?
[06:56] <elky_work> Myrtti, who else was in it?
[06:57] <Myrtti> [08:56] [@ChanServ] [ cakey] [ Myrtti  ] [ turtl3 ] 
[06:57] <Myrtti> [08:56] [ bsmirnov] [ l7   ] [ sopparus] [ voipman] 
[06:58] <elky_work> that certainly explains turtl3
[07:00] <Myrtti> fail
[07:02]  * nalioth blinks
[07:02]  * nalioth raises his eyebrows
[08:01] <jussi01> Myrtti: ahh, that explains why sometimes my client joins there...
[08:02] <Myrtti> jussi01: doesn't anymore :-P
[08:03] <jussi01> :D
[08:07]  * Myrtti cries, the video doesn't play! http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/06/090604-apes-laugh-tickle-chimps-gorillas.html
[08:10] <jussi01> wfm...
[08:11] <Myrtti> nom, leek
[08:13] <Myrtti> nom te
[08:13] <Myrtti> a
[08:14] <Myrtti> all I get is an overlay of "Advertisement - your requested video will follow" and nothing else :-(
[08:18] <jussi01> Myrtti: do you use flashplugin or?
[08:19] <Myrtti> 64-bit alpha version of adobe, yes.
[08:20] <jussi01> hrm, I used to have issues with that till I updated, tried the new one?
[08:39] <Myrtti> it's the latest available on their site
[08:49] <jussi01> !test
[11:20] <ikonia> @bansearch vertix
[11:50] <bazhang> @login
[11:56] <ikonia> @bansearch bugabundo
[11:57] <ikonia> @bansearch bugabundo
[12:01] <christel> Myrtti, elky_work : it seems that contacting that guys isp and the mumbai cybercrime unit bore some fruit, they're wanting to launch an investigation but i will need you help to get together a list of times and ip 
[12:01] <christel> if you are happy with that
[12:02] <christel> i hadnt actually envisioned any response at all but it appears they take 'cyberstalking' serious
[12:06] <elky> christel, wow
[12:06] <elky> christel, Myrtti will have more times and so forth than i.
[12:07] <ikonia> whoaaaaaa
[12:07] <elky> so much for his continual assertion that 'it's how all indians make friends'
[12:07] <ikonia> the mighty asuestek 
[12:07] <ikonia> ?
[12:08] <elky> yeah
[12:08] <christel> ikonia: yah
[12:08] <ikonia> cool
[12:08] <elky> dont forget he claims to be moving to the UK then Scandanavia in days
[12:08] <ikonia> he's just a kid telling lies
[12:08] <bazhang> with his 'Canadian gf'
[12:08] <elky> bazhang, probably since his finnish one didnt go so well
[12:08] <bazhang> elky, hehe
[12:09] <christel> i was actually really baffled to get a positive response
[12:10] <elky> christel, the number of idiotic young/teen hindi guys that keep causing us grief, i'd suspect they have a stigma to quash
[12:10] <christel> i once contacted the UK police and german police regarding paddy when he was at his craziest, germany laughed and the uk said to get back in touch when he showed up on my door, adviced me to change telephone numbers, email address and stop chatting to people online...
[12:11] <christel> i ended up moving instead, in complete and utter fear
[12:11] <christel> and after the complete mindfuck i went through i just have no patience for people behaving in such a manner :)
[12:12]  * elky huggles christel
[12:12]  * christel hugs elky 
[12:27] <Myrtti> naps ♥
[12:31] <elky> the problem with these crazies is that they operate like ant colonies. you kill one off, and another finds it as new territory.
[12:54]  * Myrtti looks at -offtopic
[12:57] <Mamarok> hm, let's hope this server holds longer :)
[12:57] <elky> hehe
[12:57] <Pici> I was stuck with wgrant and Mamarok!
[12:57] <Pici> she protected me though :)
[12:59] <Mamarok> Pici: satisfied?
[13:00] <Pici> Mamarok: I'm content ;)
[13:00] <Mamarok> yaw :)
[13:02]  * wgrant shakes fist.
[13:28] <bazhang> @bansearch lantizia
[13:36] <Mamarok> !opinion
[13:37] <Mamarok> ok, thats waht I need :)
[13:45]  * Pici yawns
[13:46] <ikonia> morning Pici 
[13:46] <jussi01> !-opinion
[13:46] <jussi01> !-best
[13:46] <Pici> ikonia: er, yeah, sorry
[13:46] <ikonia> ha ha
[13:46] <Pici> aliases of aliases = bad
[13:46] <bazhang> @bansearch tyranos
[13:49] <Pici> Anyone mind if I re-alias patience to !repeat ?
[13:49] <ikonia> go for it
[13:49] <Pici> !patience
[13:49] <Pici> !repeat
[13:50] <bazhang> whoa lantizia was klined
[13:51] <Pici> I wonder if he/she joined that channel
[13:51] <Pici> Which I suggest none of you do
[13:51] <bazhang> likely yes
[13:51] <Pici> It is an auto kline channel
[13:54] <stew> Pici: that's the "hosana brothas" "tuks killah" spammer
[13:54] <stew> (Ol-Allahau)
[13:54] <Pici> stew: whowhat?
[13:54] <stew> nm
[13:55] <stew> you'll probably see
[13:56] <bazhang> ongazevir
[13:58] <stew> that's the one
[13:58] <bazhang> laert-vl is awfully random
[13:58] <Pici> Hes italian
[13:59] <bazhang> he was asking for -fr as well as -it channels
[13:59] <Pici> He was asking in italian earlier
[13:59] <ikonia> si
[14:01] <bazhang> rapemaster ???
[14:01] <Myrtti> uhoh
[14:02] <bazhang> more freespeech spammer
[14:02] <Myrtti> if the channel is autok-line...
[14:02] <Pici> I'm going to suggest again not to join that channel
[14:02] <ikonia> how can someone setup an auto kline channel ? don't they have to be network operators to do that ?
[14:03] <Pici> It was klined by the staff.
[14:03] <ikonia> excue my lack of knowledge on that if it's obvious
[14:03] <ikonia> ahhh
[14:03] <ikonia> so they are directing to a staff setup channel
[14:04] <Pici> The only thing I can think of was that the channel was being used for nefarious purposes, and that they did that to the channel to try to mitigate the problem.
[14:13] <bazhang> Bacta, how may we help you
[14:16] <ikonia> Bacta: if you don't want to be removed from the channel you have to speak 
[14:17] <ikonia> Myrtti: jussi01 elky Pici ^
[14:18] <Myrtti> bazhang: that would be "no"
[14:18] <Pici> odd
[14:18] <Myrtti> :-D
[14:18] <bazhang> heh
[14:18] <ikonia> Pici: not really when you're trying to be a pain/jerk
[14:19] <bazhang> what about suggesting such trouble cases do some helping out on ubuntuforums or such to show they have changed?
[14:20] <Myrtti> bazhang: that would be nice and dandy for those who actually use forums
[14:20] <bazhang> if he is allowed back in #ubuntu he will just start spamming/trolling right away imo
[14:20] <ikonia> why push him to the forum
[14:20] <bazhang> ie put the ball in his court
[14:20] <ikonia> here are the rules of irc - follow them or don't
[14:22] <jussi01> Yeah, let him backm in again, I mean, really, how hard is it to ban him again if he misbehaves?
[14:22] <Pici> He already had that chance
[14:22] <bazhang> I wont trust him until he has shown he is deserving of that trust
[14:22] <Pici> He made the release name 'joke' twice and got banned for both of them.
[14:23] <ikonia> Pici: he normally does it than parts before he can be banned also 
[14:23] <ikonia> hence why it doesn't show up more in BT
[14:23] <ikonia> (not just that gag but others)
[14:27] <jaj23> Hi
[14:27] <jaj23> Could I ask an admin a question
[14:27] <bazhang> hi jaj23 
[14:27] <bazhang> go ahead
[14:28] <jaj23> I'm currently working on a project with Canonical and the Univeristy of Sussex aimed to improve the usability of the next version of Ubuntu
[14:28] <jaj23> Part of the study is an online survey
[14:28] <jaj23> Part of the study is an online survey I used the Ubuntu IRC channels to post the link to users?
[14:29] <jaj23> Would you mind?
[14:29] <jaj23> sorry typos
[14:29] <elky> surveys are more appropriate for the general discussion section in the forums
[14:29] <Tm_T> elky: I was about to say that it could be in topic but not spammed IMO
[14:29] <jaj23> yer the link is up there in community discussions
[14:30] <elky> Tm_T, that would make it virtually impossible to keep any spam out if we allowed *this* survey but not others
[14:30] <Tm_T> elky: true that
[14:30] <elky> jaj23, talk to a forums mod and get them to sticky it, or put it in the announce box
[14:30] <jaj23> IRC is a great medium for distribution so would be good
[14:30] <popey> jaj23: I'll mention it on the podcast we make, which is recording on monday
[14:30] <elky> jaj23, we can then link it in topics. i'm not going to allow you to tie us into a double standard
[14:30] <popey> we'll chuck a link in the show notes
[14:30] <jaj23> more numbers - better data - better re-design proposals - better Ubuntu
[14:31] <ikonia> jaj23: it's actually a smaller audience
[14:31] <jaj23> cheers popey
[14:31] <ikonia> jaj23: you'll only get a response from people who are at the keyboard at that time
[14:31] <elky> jaj23, please link us. we will put it in the offtopic topic. that's all we can do.
[14:31] <jaj23> how can I link you?
[14:31] <elky> jaj23, it's online, yes?
[14:31] <jaj23> yes
[14:31] <elky> jaj23, it has a url, yes?
[14:31] <jaj23> ah sorry
[14:31] <elky> that's a link.
[14:31] <jaj23> misunderstood
[14:32] <jaj23> 2 secs
[14:32] <jaj23> sorry my bad
[14:32] <jaj23> http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=N4Q6kFcYehhe_2fzKnoO_2bEDQ_3d_3d
[14:32] <topyli> we could replace the common sense requirement in the -ot topic in favor of that
[14:32] <jaj23> Your support appreciated
[14:33] <elky> topyli, uh... subliminal message fail.
[14:33] <topyli> i find the requirement discriminatory! :)
[14:33] <elky> here, we dont need commonsense, have a random surveymonkey poll
[14:33] <topyli> haha
[14:34] <ikonia> jaj23: question 8 is flawed in my experience
[14:34] <ikonia> jaj23: more so if you're asking ubuntu members
[14:34] <elky> jaj23, that 'are you a member' is confusing.
[14:34] <popey> ikonia: this has been pointed out by others :)
[14:34]  * Myrtti dislikes the domain from the start, doesn't click the url
[14:34] <ikonia> ooh
[14:35] <jaj23> yer unfortunately I can't edit questions now the survey has begun
[14:35] <elky> jaj23, we often get people very much believing that they're official members just because we use it. your text does not clarify it at all
[14:35] <jaj23> In ddition this is only the tip of the iceberg
[14:35] <jaj23> its really aimed at developing a profile of users
[14:35] <elky> 5 is not letting me past, i'm choosing 'other'
[14:35] <jaj23> 2 secs
[14:35] <jaj23> let me open it up live
[14:36] <elky> oh, the box is off the screen...
[14:36]  * elky maximises firefox
[14:36] <Tm_T> jaj23 didn't know where he ended up when coming here (;)
[14:36]  * elky was scrolling but not noticing it
[14:36] <popey> jaj23: i have passed it on to my boss who lives in Brighton and uses ubuntu
[14:36] <topyli> re online surveys jaj23, you do know what weight they have as a research method? it's not very big
[14:36] <popey> so he may well also be worth interviewing
[14:36] <jaj23> of course
[14:37] <elky> laptop edition?
[14:37] <jaj23> like I said this is the tip of the iceberg
[14:37] <popey> topyli: they are also doing "proper" usability tests with people in person
[14:37] <jaj23> yer sorry
[14:37] <jaj23> should hav been netboo remix
[14:37] <elky> ah
[14:37] <topyli> oh yes, sorry
[14:38] <jaj23> elky: you get past q5 ok yer?
[14:38] <elky> yeah, once i saw the text box
[14:38] <jaj23> ok good stuff
[14:39] <jaj23> I think survey monkeys not too bad for usability though
[14:39] <jaj23> popey: thanks that would be great
[14:39] <Myrtti> 11. Is Ubuntu 9.04 the only operating system you make use of? (tick one)
[14:39] <Myrtti> I fail in English
[14:39] <jaj23> I'm actually speaking to someone at Canonical in 20 minutes who should be abl to sort out plenty of contacts
[14:39] <Myrtti> what does that mean
[14:40] <jaj23> i.e. do you use other OS like windows, etc
[14:40] <jpds> Myrtti: Only OS you use on your boxen?
[14:40] <Myrtti> it's a trick question
[14:40] <Myrtti> damn, I don't know what to answer!
[14:40] <jaj23> how so?
[14:41] <jaj23> lol
[14:41] <elky> jaj23, the default setup screenshot is on the page after the question, if it's supposed to be reference then it's in the wrong place...
[14:41] <Myrtti> I've got Debian, SuSE etc lying around in my hard drive as qcow images, I might start one for work sometimes, but I don't *USE* them for anything else
[14:41] <jaj23> Page 8 Attitudes And Experiences With Ubuntu 9.04
[14:41] <Tm_T> jaj23: what if I use older Ubuntu currently?
[14:41]  * Myrtti ticks one
[14:42] <jaj23> its suppose to be a reference for Q15 and 16
[14:42] <Myrtti> Tm_T: then we don't need you, buhbye
[14:42] <Tm_T> Myrtti: ah, true
[14:42] <Myrtti> Tm_T: the questions aren't straightforward in most cases
[14:42] <Myrtti> my brain just made an escape through my ear and is whelping in pain in the corner
[14:42] <jpds> jaj23: See my /msg.
[14:43] <jaj23> Myrtti: theres always likely to be a little ambiguity, just answer what you think is appropriate the survey user numbers will even out things like that
[14:43] <jaj23> Myrtti: lol
[14:43] <jaj23> thats the problem with questionnaires
[14:43] <Myrtti> oh! OH! TRICK QUESTION!
[14:43] <Myrtti> Ubuntu!
[14:43] <Myrtti> aha!
[14:43] <elky> jaj23, out of curiosity, how long did it take you to put that together?
[14:44] <Myrtti> I can't reply to this questionnaire. I don't use _U_buntu
[14:44] <jaj23> about a day
[14:44] <elky> how many times did you set it up in surveymonkey?
[14:44] <jaj23> yer the questionaire is for Ubuntu users only myrtti
[14:45] <jaj23> it was piloted on a couple of people elky
[14:45] <elky> jaj23, it needs alot of improvement.
[14:45] <Myrtti> XFCE4.6/Xubuntu users need not apply
[14:45]  * Myrtti shuts the epiphany tab
[14:45] <jaj23> I got feedback later that community needed to be added
[14:46] <jaj23> elky how would you improve it?
[14:46] <elky> jaj23, also, your description of 'official ubuntu member' is going to get more false positives than positives.
[14:46] <Myrtti> "I help in the forums, I'm A Member!"
[14:47]  * elky nods at Myrtti
[14:47] <Myrtti> there should be a prepping question, are you an ubuntero, before that
[14:47] <Myrtti> if someone says they're not ubunteros but are members, then you've got a false positive.
[14:48] <elky> Myrtti, there's some who'll tick yes for both when they're neither, too
[14:48] <Myrtti> elky: true
[14:48] <elky> jaj23, who is your liason in Canonical for this?
[14:48] <Myrtti> anyway, I'm not eligble for answering the questionnaire, so I don't really care
[14:50] <jaj23> Ivanka Majic
[14:51] <jaj23> I could scrap the data for the Ubuntu member question if you think it is going to be taht misleading
[14:51] <popey> it certainly could be improved
[14:51] <popey> I'd be happy to help you do that
[14:51] <jaj23> to be honest age, gender, and membership are demographic standardisation measures
[14:51] <elky> nobody questioned those.
[14:52] <jaj23> membership question was questioned
[14:52] <elky> i missed membership. my eyes are indeed tired tonight
[14:53] <jaj23> The next stage in the research will be to conduct some contextual inquiries.
[14:53] <elky> popey, could you. i have reservations about helping promote it in it's current state, as an improved version will not get any attention if everyone does the first one
[14:53] <popey> sure
[14:53] <jaj23> There may be a later survey to confirm results and look at usability through a more fined grained lens, but it will depend on the analysis
[14:54] <jaj23> Suggestions for a later survey will be appreciated.
[14:55] <popey> I can see an argument for scrapping the current one and restarting with a revamped/reworded survey
[14:55] <jaj23> hmmm
[14:55] <popey> how many replies have you had so far?
[14:55] <jaj23> around 50
[14:55] <popey> thats very few
[14:56] <elky> yeah, you can get hundreds from the forums
[14:56] <popey> agreed
[14:56] <elky> thousands even
[14:56] <popey> I'd pull it if I were you
[14:56] <popey> and as I said, i'd be happy to help you with wording of questions etc
[14:57] <jaj23> Unfortunately due to the academic nature I can only take suggestions. It as to be my own work
[14:57] <jaj23> ITs apr of a thesis
[14:57] <jaj23> collusion etc
[14:57] <jaj23> sorry so many typos
[14:57] <elky> jaj23, he's only going to suggest.
[14:57] <jaj23> sure
[14:57] <elky> jaj23, but it's current state is going to make your life harder than it needs to be
[14:58] <jaj23> can you elaborate a bit?
[14:59] <jaj23> Whilst I can see a couple of errors, I can't see it as compeletely useless
[14:59] <Myrtti> it's a good start
[14:59] <elky> you have a poorly worded 'demographic standardisation measure' for start, you're relying on free-text for anything community based, 
[14:59] <jaj23> Its on the forums
[14:59] <jaj23> thats where it started
[14:59] <popey> how would you like the feedback?
[15:00] <popey> email?
[15:00] <jaj23> yer would be good
[15:00] <popey> ok, I will outline the issues with each question in a mail
[15:00] <jaj23> I will have to put this conversation on hold in a second to speak to Ivanka, but we can continue the conversation once I'm done
[15:09] <popey> jaj23: you have mail :)
[15:10] <elky> jaj23, what's your major?
[15:10] <jaj23> 2 secs
[15:11] <jaj23> phone
[15:20] <Pici> okay then
[15:23] <elky> ...
[15:25] <genii> Now we'll never know if it was dance or statistics.
[15:25] <Myrtti> I didn't want to do his homework for him anyway...
[15:25] <bazhang> hehe
[15:26] <popey> :(
[15:26]  * gnomefreak would do it but i never did my own in high school or collage
[15:26] <bazhang> :)
[15:29] <Myrtti> nnggghhhghghghghghg
[15:29] <Myrtti> I see a slippery slope ahead of us... pleia2 
[15:29] <Jack_Sparrow> nini
[15:29] <pleia2> Myrtti: *nod*
[15:30] <pleia2> hopefully we can stop this now :)
[15:31] <elky> Myrtti, you referring to -w?
[15:31] <Myrtti> pleia2: thank you
[15:32] <Myrtti> that was exactly what I was trying to craft in my head
[15:32] <pleia2> :)
[15:33] <Myrtti> the acronym is at total loss to me
[15:34] <bazhang> is -meeting the place for that discussion?
[15:34] <Pici> eh?
[15:34] <bazhang> current rant on coc/planet
[15:34] <Pici> oh
[15:35] <Myrtti> whut, where?
[15:41] <Myrtti> oh, _-meeting_
[15:43] <elky> Myrtti, yeah, he wasnt suggesting move the -w discussion to -meeting :P
[15:43] <bazhang> whoops sorry :(
[15:44] <elky> bacta is not swaying my opinion with his fuddy behaviour in -ot
[15:53] <elky> popey, where should we siphon the -meeting talk to?
[15:54] <popey> there's no meeting on, I see no reason to siphon it anywhere
[15:54] <popey> although, if you try, it will likely dissipate
[15:54] <popey> which may be desired
[15:55] <elky> popey, non-constructive dissipation is not going to go well, hence why a proposed location would serve better...
[15:55] <jpds> nhandler got k-lined?
[15:55] <elky> jpds, again?
[15:55] <popey> #ubuntu-devel-discuss ?
[15:55] <Pici> jpds: mibbit did
[15:55] <jpds> 15:53:22 [!] nhandler [i=63156b5e@ubuntu/member/nhandler] has quit [K-lined]
[15:55] <jpds> Pici: Fun.
[15:55] <elky> popey, such a channel exists?
[15:55] <popey> nope :)
[15:55] <elky> Pici, ah, yeah, that's happening quite often these days.
[15:56] <christel> to to love stuff like mibbit which is a haven for abusive twats
[15:57] <christel> sorry! my language was coarse :S
[15:57]  * Myrtti frowns at christel and gives her a lollipop
[15:57] <bazhang> haha
[15:58] <elky> christel, maybe not so much coarse as insulting to the original definition of 'twat' ;)
[15:59] <christel> hehe
[16:00] <christel> im not having a good day today
[16:00]  * popey huggles christel 
[16:00] <christel> we closed down a channel yesterday for incitement to racial hatred (it was basically a cesspool of trolls, some of the guys were those who enjoy hitting #ubuntu-women)
[16:01] <elky> christel, sounds like a productive one!
[16:01] <christel> and now im the "chief fascist" and they've managed to add up 2 and 2 and i've spent the entire morning fielding obscene phonecalls at work and screening consultation form requests...
[16:01] <elky> oh dear...
[16:01] <bazhang> whoa :(
[16:02] <christel> im a sports massage therapist..
[16:02] <Myrtti> christel: have I mentioned how much I love you lately? And I'm not joking. You're brilliant
[16:02] <christel> they want "happy endings with their massages"
[16:02] <christel> its the first time anyone has made the connection between geeky christel and my job tho, i always felt safe in the knowledge that people wouldnt think sports massage walked hand in hand with open source
[16:02] <elky> christel, let me guess, you're not going to hope for a response equal to that of the mumbai cybercrimes unit?
[16:02] <christel> im not, ill try, but i doubt ill get far
[16:03] <christel> unfortunately, none of the guys requesting their "happy endings" massages via the web were uk based, which makes me think the police will just ignore it 
[16:03] <christel> we'll see if they care enough to look into the phone crap
[16:07] <elky> jaj23_, welcome back.
[16:07] <christel> incidentally, the guy who just got mibbit banned was one of them :s
[16:07] <elky> christel, so surprising.
[16:08] <christel> mmm
[16:08] <christel> luckily i dont see clients during the day on a friday as i work friday evenings, so it wasnt too disruptive to have the phone go constantly
[16:09] <popey> :(
[16:09] <christel> im more worried should these )(£*)! have the idea to contact some of my clients
[16:09] <jussi01> christel: I wouldnt have saiid that here...
[16:09]  * Myrtti points at the fourth wall
[16:09] <christel> good point! 
[16:10] <Myrtti> Why does my bank need to be so full of FAIL?!
[16:10] <Myrtti> sorry
[16:14] <christel> they want all your money
[16:15] <ikonia> doesn't everyone ?
[16:30] <Myrtti> It may be that I'll end up sacrificing chicken to gods of internet banking to get this work
[16:55]  * Myrtti goes to search for a chicken
[17:14] <mneptok> *BAWK BAWK*
[17:17] <mneptok> christel: i'll take a "happy ending massage," you know, if you have extra chocolate and sleep aids.
[17:18] <mneptok> oh ... wait ... that's not what they meant .... :(
[17:19] <mneptok> Myrtti: woo and i will be in .fi in ~2 weeks!
[17:19] <mneptok> we command you to come to dinner @Monty's
[17:23] <Myrtti> mneptok: I'll be in UK :-(
[17:23] <jaj23_> hi
[17:23] <Myrtti> jaj23_: hello
[17:25] <jaj23_> So I'm running the survey past Ivanka Majic the usability person at Canonical and will work on her word
[17:26] <jaj23_> Ive made some edits to the questions where clarification was needed
[17:30] <Mamarok> jaj23_: still, it excludes all who use either Kubuntu or Xubuntu desktops...
[17:31] <jaj23_> unfortunately thats the scope of this project
[17:31] <mneptok> neat! a built-in Turing test!
[17:31]  * mneptok runs
[17:31] <jaj23_> we are just looking at Ubuntu
[17:34] <Myrtti> jaj23_: can you make it clear that it's only Ubuntu with the Ubuntu Gnome whatever? I consider myself a ubuntu user...
[17:34] <topyli> mneptok? in finland?
[17:34] <topyli> the time-space be warping
[17:35] <jaj23_> Yer well really its Ubuntu 9.04 users we are focusing on. Thats what we will be conducting user test on
[17:35] <Tm_T> mneptok: get me train tickets and I'll be there (;)
[17:35] <jaj23_> I will add it into the introduction
[17:35] <jaj23_> The first question does ask: Have you used Ubuntu 9.04?
[17:36] <jaj23_> and if you say no the survey ends
[17:36] <alteroo> hello
[17:36] <alteroo> I just forwarded a factoid
[17:37] <nalioth> so, only Ubuntu users of the Gnome desktop?
[17:37]  * nalioth runs windowmaker
[17:38] <Tm_T> alteroo: cannot see one
[17:38] <alteroo> Does edubuntu count?
[17:38] <alteroo> Tm_T: :-( A KDE 3 one
[17:38] <Tm_T> alteroo: ah, now I see it
[17:39] <Pici> Wait, we have #kubuntu-kde3 channel?
[17:39] <Tm_T> Pici: apparently
[17:39] <Pici> News to me
[17:39] <jaj23_> Well Ubuntu 9.04 is Gnome as standard
[17:39] <genii> "<-* ChanServ has kicked genii from #kubuntu-kde3 (Invite only channel)"
[17:39] <topyli> :-o
[17:39] <Pici> Its set as invite only, looks like it was last used a year ago
[17:40] <alteroo> Well There is a repo and CD with about 1000 users and it seems that there is no place for them to get support or talk
[17:40] <alteroo> If they talk in #kubuntu they get removed
[17:40] <Pici> What?
[17:40] <Tm_T> alteroo: who removes them?
[17:40] <Mamarok> alteroo: that's not true...
[17:40] <Mamarok> nobody got removed AFAIK
[17:40] <alteroo> Squelched
[17:40]  * Tm_T doesn't understand
[17:41] <Mamarok> alteroo: making that an invite-only channel will not work
[17:41] <Tm_T> jaj23_: so you're really saying that this survey is _only_ related to GNOME users?
[17:41] <alteroo> Hmm ok
[17:41] <Mamarok> Tm_T: I just reminded that there was no support for KDE3 on Jaunty in #kubuntu
[17:41] <Pici> Mamarok: #kubuntu-kde3 is owned by the ircc 
[17:41] <mneptok> topyli / Tm_T: yeah, my wife and i are travelling to Monty's Midsummer party. we'll be in .fi for ~1 week.
[17:41] <alteroo> Lets see if that can be changed
[17:41] <Tm_T> Pici: lovely then
[17:42] <Mamarok> Pici: ...
[17:42] <jaj23_> Tm_T hmmm I hadn't thought of it that way
[17:42] <jaj23_> but really its just overcomplicating it
[17:42] <Pici> Well, sort of at least, its owned by 2 ircc'ers and stdin
[17:42] <topyli> mneptok: you will be in helsinki? you like beer?
[17:43] <mneptok> topyli: just north of. and no, i do not drink.
[17:43] <mneptok> (amybe some salmiakki when Monty pushes me) ;)
[17:43] <mneptok> *maybe
[17:43] <topyli> you like watching beer drinkers though? :)
[17:43] <alteroo> Pici: So the channel needs to get sorted out first?
[17:43] <mneptok> definitely. and the amusement level only increases with time.
[17:43] <topyli> heh
[17:44] <Pici> alteroo: I don't know if it was ever meant to be used.  The first mention of it that I see is in your factoid suggest.
[17:45] <topyli> if family doesn't succeed in guilt management and make me travel to lapland for midsummer, we must shake paws somewhere. i'll buy you a glass of water :)
[17:45] <Tm_T> jaj23_: perhaps if it does contains all Ubuntu family desktops, it should be mentioned, as Ubuntu is usually thought only be as GNOME-one
[17:45] <alteroo> Pici: Right so A channel needs to get sorted out then?
[17:46] <Pici> alteroo: I'm not a KDE user, but I haven't seen any evidence of people being removed or muted for discussing kde3 in #kubuntu.
[17:47] <alteroo> So it can be discussed there?
[17:47] <Pici> I don't know, I'm asking.
[17:48] <alteroo> Mamarok: Can it?
[17:48] <jaj23_> Tim_T: the survey is aimed at Ubuntu 9.04 users like I said. It is really just a prequesite to the main study with the idea of building up a profile of people using Ubuntu 9.04, why they use it, what the use it for, etc
[17:49] <alteroo> jaj23_: Is it Ubuntu the umbrella or Gnome?
[17:49] <jaj23_> the operating system
[17:49] <Mamarok> alteroo: it was always clear for those who downgrade that there would be no support for KDE3 in Jaunty
[17:49] <jaj23_> as a whole
[17:50] <topyli> is ubuntu an umbrella anyway? ubuntu has the gnome desktop
[17:50] <jaj23_> but essentially alot of the analysis will be on the gnome desktop environment
[17:50] <Mamarok> so the person who made KDE3 available for Jaunty should also be addressed with support questions, it's not our responsability IMHO
[17:50] <jaj23_> because its a usability study and gnome is the desktop interface component
[17:50] <alteroo> Mamarok: Right but I always took that as paid support
[17:50] <alteroo> Support from Canonical
[17:50] <Mamarok> alteroo: we do not get payed for the work we do here...
[17:50] <alteroo> The community isn't limited to the support that it offers
[17:51] <Pici> Most PPAs do not come from Canonical employees
[17:51] <alteroo> Mamarok: exactly Just like FOSS you can't direct someone to work on something because it's volunteer time. If htey want to work on somethng then let them
[17:52] <Mamarok> alteroo: there are channel rules made by the community, and the community (Kubuntu.org is the community) clearly stated there was no support, that should be clear, no?
[17:52] <alteroo> Mamarok: But then a good 70% of the notices on kubuntu.org shoudln't be discussed
[17:52] <alteroo> Amarok releases KDE releases Koffice releases
[17:53] <alteroo> Digikam Etc
[17:53] <alteroo> They all say there is no support
[17:53] <Mamarok> alteroo: I think you are bikeshedding here
[17:54] <alteroo> No I don't think so it's a simple matter of principle 
[17:54] <Mamarok> there was a clear warning against KDE3 in Jaunty, so I don't think there is mmuch to be discussed about that
[17:54] <alteroo> if it says no support and that means that i can't be disucssed on the IRC chan then support should not be offered
[17:55] <alteroo> right as well as basically all the announcements on kubuntu.org so none of that stuff other than a final release of Kubuntu should be disucssed?
[17:55] <alteroo> They all have the same notice
[17:55] <Mamarok> alteroo: the KDE 4.2.4 and KDE 4.3 PPA are either bugfix releases or part of the upcomming Karmic, so KDE 4.3 discussion and support belongs to #ubuntu+1, told you so already
[17:55] <alteroo> I know I'm on there asking
[17:56] <alteroo> I'm just trying to find out where the community ends
[17:56] <Mamarok> alteroo: this is going nowhere here, you should address the Kubuntu council then
[17:56] <Pici> alteroo: I think we should discuss this internally and then we will let you know.  There is only one KDE operator on at the moment.
[17:56] <alteroo> ok will do
[17:56] <Pici> That would work as well.
[17:56] <Mamarok> I am following the channel guidelines and so should you, period.
[17:57] <alteroo> Thanks I'll look at a KDE3 room in any case. KDE3 probably will need it soon  anyway
[17:57] <alteroo> Thanks for the discussion
[17:57] <Mamarok> you are welcome
[17:57] <Tm_T> alteroo: in the meantime, wikipages for support etc (;)
[17:58] <Mamarok> alteroo: anythin else we can do for you here?
[18:02] <LjL> on-part spam in #ubuntu
[18:03] <jussi01> LjL: which was?
[18:03] <Nehyx> any op free?
[18:03] <LjL> Nehyx: i reported it already
[18:03] <Nehyx> LjL: ok, thx
[18:04] <Pici> From who?
[18:04] <LjL> xanadu
[18:04] <Nehyx> xanadu
[18:04] <Nehyx> yeah xD
[18:04] <Nehyx> he never asnwer me
[18:04] <Nehyx> he/she/it
[18:04] <Pici> Thanks!
[18:04] <LjL> he's a bot, he won't answer you
[18:05] <Nehyx> so.. I leave channel
[18:05] <Nehyx> thanks and have good day
[18:05] <Nehyx> :)
[18:13] <topyli> i wonder if i left -ot muted. mode -m should fix it? :)
[18:13] <topyli> ah apparently not :)
[18:55] <Flannel> Mud|shower: Hi.  Mind turning that off?  And your uptime thing?
[19:02] <Myrtti> !uptime
[19:02] <Mud|shower> WindowsXP Uptime: 12hrs 25mins 4secs Best: 1day 1hr 45mins 33secs
[19:09] <mneptok> Host 'aten', running Linux 2.6.24-24-generic - Cpu0: AMD Athlon 2000 MHz; Up: 18d+18:52; Users: 4; Load: 0.43; Free: [Mem: 13/1446 Mio] [Swap: 670/715 Mio] [/: 5887/9746 Mio] [/home: 476861/699314 Mio]; Vpenis: 251.6 cm;
[19:09] <Pici> Thats not a good record for uptime.
[19:10] <mneptok> Pici: being proud of a best uptime of 1 day is ... interesting.
[19:13] <Myrtti> mneptok: it's XP!
[19:13] <genii> 14:13:27 up 45 days, 17:40, 15 users,  load average: 0.13, 0.17, 0.20
[19:14] <Pici> 38d5h on this server. Only brought it down to reboot to Jaunty.
[19:14] <genii> Pici:  :)
[19:15] <Tm_T> kids...
[19:15] <Tm_T> who is this "mud" anyway?
[19:15] <Pici> some guy who keeps announcing his uptime in #ubuntu
[19:16] <Flannel> Tm_T: He's got an away nick change problem.  And then we recently discovered his uptime trigger too.
[19:16] <Tm_T> and he is here, because...
[19:16] <Pici> He was forwarded here.
[19:16] <Tm_T> hmmm
[19:16] <Pici> We could kick him and perhaps when he rejoins he'll actually be active.
[19:17] <Tm_T> that's what I'm thinking
[19:17] <Pici> Oh, look at that.
[19:17] <Mud> I saw some highlighting
[19:17] <Mud> :?
[19:17] <Mud> why are you guys talking about me :P
[19:17] <Flannel> Mud: Turn off your away nick change, for the last time.
[19:17] <Tm_T> also other public announcements
[19:18] <Mud> I dont have a announcer when I go afk
[19:18] <Flannel> Mud: You do.  11:17 -!- Mud|shower is now known as Mud
[19:18] <Mud> thats normal
[19:18] <Flannel> Mud: No, it's not.  Turn it off.
[19:18] <Mud> its normal
[19:18] <mneptok> Mud: /away <reason> is normal.
[19:19] <mneptok> Mud: and /away should NOT send channel imput
[19:19] <mneptok> *input
[19:19] <Mud> mneptok: but that doesnt change my nick
[19:19] <mneptok> Mud: exactly.
[19:19] <Mud> when I go afk, I change my nick also
[19:19] <mneptok> then you will be banned from Ubuntu channels.
[19:19] <Tm_T> Mud: and we ask you not to
[19:20] <Mud> I have it on all my irc servers..and I am on irc for x years..no compains
[19:20] <Myrtti> this is your first
[19:20] <Myrtti> have you turned off the trigger?
[19:20] <mneptok> !uptime
[19:20] <Mud> WindowsXP Uptime: 12hrs 42mins 53secs Best: 1day 1hr 45mins 33secs
[19:20] <Myrtti> turn it off
[19:20] <mneptok> that's a negative, Houston
[19:20] <Flannel> Mud: I've complained to you about it a few times in the past now
[19:21] <Mud> Flannel: yes, but I saw you as a bot
[19:21] <Myrtti> well here we are in person
[19:21] <Myrtti> turn it off
[19:21] <Mud> but anyway
[19:21] <mneptok> Flannel [n=flannel@ubuntu/member/flannel]
[19:21] <Mud> when i go afk, I always change my name
[19:21] <mneptok> Ubuntu members do not use their cloaks for bots
[19:21] <Mud> end of discussion
[19:21] <Flannel> Mud: Alright.  Time to stop doing that.
[19:21] <Mud> no
[19:22]  * Myrtti changes the ban to a permaban
[19:22] <Flannel> Mud: then you won't be allowed into Ubuntu channels.
[19:22] <mneptok> Mud: we hope you have enjoyed your time in the Ubuntu channels. that time is now over. end of story.
[19:22] <Mud> :W
[19:23] <Myrtti> so you're not turning the uptime script off? or changing the trigger character?
[19:23] <Mud> the uptime script?
[19:23] <Mud> I dont even use it
[19:23] <Myrtti> preferably the trigger goes off altogether
[19:23] <Myrtti> EHEHEHHEHE
[19:23] <Flannel> Myrtti: that's really moot
[19:23] <Myrtti> !uptime
[19:23] <Mud> WindowsXP Uptime: 12hrs 45mins 55secs Best: 1day 1hr 45mins 33secs
[19:23] <Myrtti> you don't use it...
[19:24] <Myrtti> ehhehheh.
[19:24] <Myrtti> correct me if I'm blind
[19:24] <Myrtti> but I think that came from your irc client
[19:24] <Myrtti> n'est pas?
[19:25] <Myrtti> Mud: ?
[19:25] <Mud> OS: Windows XP Professional SP3 (Build #2600) CPU: AMD Phenom 8450 Triple-Core,  2.11 GHz, 512 KB Video: NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT (1280x1024x32bpp 75Hz) Sound: Realtek HD Audio output Memory: Used: 744/2047MB Uptime: 12h 46m 50s HD Space: Free: 256.67 GB/763.84 GB Connection: Realtek RTL8168/8111 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC - Pakketplanner-minipoort @ 100.0 Mbps (Rec: 92.62MB Sent: 11.33MB)
[19:25] <Mud> whoops
[19:25] <mneptok> Myrtti: it comes from NoNameScript, an add-on for mIRC
[19:25] <Mud> wrong thing
[19:25] <Mud> uhhhh
[19:25] <Mud> let me look >.<
[19:25] <Mud> mneptok: wrong
[19:25] <Mud> Darkengine
[19:25] <mneptok> 12:14 [Freenode] CTCP VERSION reply from Mud|shower: ( NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.nnscript.de :: www.XLhost.de )
[19:25] <mneptok> 12:14 [Freenode] CTCP VERSION reply from Mud|shower: mIRC v6.32 Khaled Mardam-Bey
[19:25] <Mud> I use Mirc + nnscript + Darkengine
[19:26] <Mud> oh
[19:26] <Mud> try now !uptime
[19:26] <Myrtti> did you disable it? or did you just change the character?
[19:27] <mneptok> Mud: thanks for disabling it. but the nick-change on /away will keep you banned.
[19:27] <Myrtti> Mud: ?
[19:27] <Mud> Myrtti do you even care?
[19:27] <Myrtti> yes, I actually do
[19:27] <Mud> :') lol
[19:27] <Mud> why ?
[19:27] <Myrtti> because we have multiple bots and multiple control characters
[19:28] <Myrtti> and I want to know whether you disabled the whole thing, or just changed the character
[19:28] <Mud> I changed it too some l33t characters xD _O-
[19:28] <Mud> just kidding
[19:29] <Myrtti> I'm not.
[19:29] <Mud> anyway
[19:29] <Myrtti> let me find you a link about that away nick thing...
[19:30] <Flannel> !away
[19:30] <Flannel> oh
[19:30] <Flannel> no link anymore? that's odd
[19:30] <Mud> again: when I change my nick (when I go afk) I gonna do that
[19:30] <Pricey> Flannel: Do you want the polite one or the 'other' one?
[19:30] <Flannel> http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html
[19:30] <Mud> its just a nickchange
[19:31] <Myrtti> Mud: http://bisqwit.iki.fi/jutut/away.html
[19:31] <Mud> why are you compaining about it?
[19:31] <Mud> its just like this:
[19:31] <Flannel> Mud: Because it causes unnecessary scrolling in the channel.
[19:31] <Mud|mmm> Its just a nickchange..
[19:31] <Myrtti> Mud|mmm: I want you to read those links with thought
[19:31] <Seeker`> Mud|mmm: essentially, if you choose to carry on doing it, you wont be allowed back in the channel
[19:31] <Flannel> Mud|mmm: It's one line that didn't have to be there.
[19:32] <Myrtti> Flannel: two
[19:32] <Myrtti> he comes /back too
[19:32] <Flannel> Myrtti: Well, each nick change is one, but yes.
[19:32] <Mud|mmm> Flannel: so ? I dont care, I just change my nick so everyone can see in the NICKLIST I am doing something..like being AFK or something
[19:32] <Flannel> Myrtti: He's in the habit of going away to sleep to shower back, so that's only four, not eight.
[19:33] <Flannel> Mud|mmm: If anyone actually cares you're away, /away will be enough to let them know.
[19:33] <Mud|mmm> no
[19:33] <Myrtti> Mud|mmm: buhbye, welcome back when you've changed your mind and want to enter #ubuntu again
[19:33] <Myrtti> there's nothing to be discussed
[19:33] <Mud|mmm> Flannel: like I said, I am on multiply networks
[19:33] <Myrtti> you're not getting back to #ubuntu
[19:34] <Myrtti> Mud|mmm: and we care about our channel
[19:34] <Flannel> Not getting back in to #ubuntu until you stop changing your nick, that is.
[19:34] <Myrtti> and you're not getting there
[19:34] <Mud|mmm> :')
[19:34] <Myrtti> anything else we can help you with?
[19:34] <Mud|mmm> I dont stop my nickchange because only ONE channel wants it
[19:34] <Myrtti> Mud|mmm: then you're not getting to that ONE channel either
[19:35] <mneptok> Mud|mmm: your decision. live with the consequences.
[19:35] <Mud|mmm> :')
[19:35] <Flannel> Mud|mmm: that's fine.  You've made your choice to not be in #ubuntu then
[19:35] <Mud|mmm> Myrtti like i even care
[19:35] <Myrtti> Mud|mmm: hint: this is the part where you can leave the channel
[19:35] <Seeker`> Mud|mmm: If you dont care, please leave
[19:36] <Mud|mmm> anway I was back
[19:36] <Myrtti> anyone want tea?
[19:37] <mneptok|take_the> HINT
[19:37] <Flannel> Mud: If you don't have any business here, please don't idle here.  I don't really think you have anything else to say on the matter.
[19:37] <Mud> Flannel: I like to continue our discussion :>
[19:37] <Myrtti> Mud: there's nothing to discuss
[19:37] <Flannel> Mud: What more would you like to add to it?
[19:37] <Myrtti> leave
[19:38] <Seeker`> Myrtti: I dont see the point in just telling him to leave any more
[19:38] <Myrtti> Seeker`: I'm trying to act as Ms Nice
[19:38] <Flannel> Mud: As far as I can see, everything has already been said.  We explained to you the policy, even explained why the policy exists.  You said you won't honor the channel guidelines.
[19:38] <Seeker`> Myrtti: he clearly doesn't care
[19:39] <Flannel> Mud: Unless there's something relevant you'd like to add, I think our business is done.
[19:39] <Myrtti> we've already heard you don't change your policy because of one nick
[19:39] <Mud> ho ho ho
[19:39] <Flannel> s/nick/channel/
[19:39] <Myrtti> and you've already heard we don't change ours because of one person
[19:39] <Mud> relaxt guys :') I am typing
[19:40] <Myrtti> Flannel: thanks
[19:40]  * Myrtti <sarcasm>can't wait</sarcasm>
[19:40] <Flannel> Myrtti: IRC is not HTML5!
[19:40] <Mud> Flannel: this is how I see it : the "|afk" after a nick is a status, when I change my status, its just one row, why is just that one row not allowed :P
[19:41] <Mud> for example
[19:41] <Mud> everyone who say Hi in the channel, is waste of space
[19:41] <Mud> just is just one row :')
[19:41] <Myrtti> that's your opinion.
[19:41] <Myrtti> anything else?
[19:41] <Mud> it is just one row
[19:41] <Flannel> Mud: Because it ads non-necessary scrolling to the channel.
[19:41] <Mud> Flannel: and "Hi" not ?
[19:41] <Flannel> Mud: Greetings are a part of IRC, we are humans afterall.
[19:42] <mneptok> Mud: the policy is not up for debate. your adherence to it is.
[19:42] <Mud> nickchanges are a part of irc too
[19:42] <jussi01> Mud: hang on a sec, can you imagine 600 people all going away aabout the same time=
[19:42] <Flannel> Mud: No, they're not.
[19:42] <Myrtti> Mud: I've not changed my nick in soon ten years.
[19:42] <Mud> jussi01_: yes, but we dont have 600 people in our channels
[19:42] <Myrtti> we have 1400
[19:42] <Flannel> Mud: you're right, we have 1500
[19:42] <jussi01> Mud: we have more than 100 in #ubuntu
[19:42] <Myrtti> so we don't allow nickchanges
[19:43] <jussi01> err 1500 :)
[19:43] <Myrtti> for *THAT* reason
[19:43] <Mud> Myrtti: but that is YOU, i changed my nick alot
[19:43] <Mud> everyone is different
[19:43] <Myrtti> Mud: good for you. Anything else?
[19:43] <Myrtti> you're different in the sense that you're BANNED from #ubuntu, and I'm not
[19:43] <Mud> :')
[19:43] <Mud> youre not very friendly Myrtti
[19:44] <Myrtti> Mud: because you're wasting my time
[19:44] <Myrtti> you're not getting back in
[19:44]  * mneptok bursts into flame
[19:44] <Mud> jussi01_: I was talking about 1 channel
[19:44] <Flannel> mneptok: flame on!
[19:45] <mneptok> game. set. match.
[19:45] <Myrtti> lovely day today
[19:45] <mneptok> Myrtti: let's hold hands and skip throught the wildflowers and butterflies
[19:46]  * Myrtti goes to make that pot of tea
[19:46]  * mneptok goes to make that lot of pee
[19:53]  * Gary nibbles mneptok 
[19:53]  * jussi01 chomps on Gary
[19:55]  * genii sips
[20:05] <Mamarok> !wubi
[20:10]  * Tm_T huggles Myrtti 
[20:28] <genii> Heh "simple and safe"
[20:48] <Pici> I'm concidering moving !help into !ask, as a lot of people seem to be using it for that.
[20:49] <Flannel> !help
[20:49] <Flannel> Oh !help is <alias> ask?
[20:49] <Pici> Yeah
[20:49] <Flannel> !-help
[20:49] <Flannel> +1
[20:50] <Pici> I should grep for uses of !help first... /me puts that on to-do list
[20:50] <tsimpson> it's usually from people looking for help
[20:50] <tsimpson> so I'd +1 the edit
[20:50] <Flannel> doesn't seem to be any, with the online db
[20:50] <Flannel> http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi?search=!help
[20:51] <Flannel> (and yes, !automate returns some)
[20:51] <tsimpson> you don't search with the '!'
[20:51] <Flannel> tsimpson: If we want to find places that you're suggested to !help, we do
[20:51] <Flannel> And we know it works, because this works: http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi?search=!automate
[20:52] <tsimpson> that looks for an instance of "!automate" inside other factoids
[20:53] <tsimpson> if you notice, the "automate" factoid is not listed
[20:53] <Pici> I'm confused as to what Flannel is searching for
[20:53] <Flannel> Pici: uses of !help
[20:53] <Flannel> reprocussions of changing the alias
[20:53] <Pici> oh
[20:53] <Pici> Okay.
[21:04] <Flannel> Pici: What other grepping is needed? Oh, of logs.
[21:04] <Pici> Yeah
[21:04] <Flannel> Ah.  Now I understand where you were going.
[21:57] <Flannel> Jack_Sparrow: er, I don't see what that was about
[21:58] <Pricey> Flannel: the jhendricks ban?
[21:58] <Jack_Sparrow> One sec I have him in pm
[21:58] <Flannel> Oh, thats jhendricks?
[21:58] <Flannel> I thought it wsa Roasted
[21:58] <Pricey> Jack_Sparrow?
[21:58] <Jack_Sparrow> ONe sec
[22:44] <Flannel> ubottu: tell RaFromBRC about away
[23:04] <Seeker`> nalioth: can you have a look at where mootbot got to?
[23:20] <Myrtti> !away > bk
[23:24] <Seeker`> wb
[23:25]  * Myrtti vanishes
[23:26] <Seeker`> :O
[23:35] <erUSUL> hi
[23:36] <erUSUL> !flash64
[23:36] <erUSUL> should this factoid be rmoved ? is it still relevant ?
[23:50] <erUSUL> ok... leaving