[00:13] <SupahBoy> hey slonkie are you still there?
[01:42] <ubuntu> i need to find out how to restore grub. for some reason my system decided it wants to boot straight into windows and not even use grub. it was working until now
[01:43] <TheSheep> !grub
[01:49] <gamepockets> can anyone help me with a media server to stream to my ps3? (noob proof)
[01:50] <TheSheep> gamepockets: you want something like mpc?
[01:50] <gamepockets> i only know mediatomb (i use a old mac)
[01:50] <gamepockets> and mt sucks
[01:51] <TheSheep> !mpc
[01:51] <TheSheep> !info mpc
[01:51] <TheSheep> !info mpd
[01:51] <gamepockets> does it run in terminal soley?
[01:58] <gamepockets> Damn.. mediatomb is saying databse is lckd and the only file in the mt folder is the config, What is going on..
[02:19] <svensko> i have a default xubuntu installation and Listen doesn't seem to want to load my library of MP3 music... is there a package i need to install to have it play MP3s?
[02:31] <TheSheep> !mp3 | svensko
[02:32] <TheSheep> svensko: basically, ubuntu can't have mp3 codecs because they are illegal in some countries, like USA and Japan
[02:39] <svensko> TheSheep, i have had zero problem installing MP3s codecs in ubuntu
[04:07] <owen1> TheSheep: yesterday i was asking how to pair-program using vim, screen and chroot and you told me screen and chroot will be hard to work with and adviced me to try creating a separate acconut and chgrp/chown the file we are working on.  i counldn't find anything on google about this. can u elaborate? thanks
[04:33] <TheSheep> owen1: well, by default ubuntu creates a new group when you create a user
[04:33] <owen1> TheSheep: true
[04:33] <TheSheep> owen1: so you can have the files that you work on owned by one user, and in the group of the other user
[04:33] <TheSheep> owen1: if you have more people, just create a group for them and add them all to that group
[04:33] <TheSheep> owen1: then make the files rw for that group
[04:34] <owen1> wait..
[04:35] <owen1> will it solve my security concern? i want to make sure my friend that connects via ssh can't view access any other files ouside his home folder.
[04:35] <owen1> view or access
[04:37] <TheSheep> owen1: just make them unreadable to other users
[04:37] <TheSheep> owen1: which files are you concerned about?
[04:37] <owen1> i have banks/passwords whatever
[04:38] <owen1> also i want to make sure the guest user can't do sudo.
[04:38] <TheSheep> owen1: if it's the ones in your home directory, make sure your home dir has o-rwx
[04:38] <TheSheep> he cant by default
[04:38] <TheSheep> you have to specifically add him to admin group for him to be able to do that
[04:38] <owen1> TheSheep: got it.
[04:39] <owen1> TheSheep: let me read what you said and digest!
[04:40] <TheSheep> test it before giving the passwords to your friend
[04:42] <owen1> currently my home is drwxr-xr-x, should it be drwx------ ?
[04:45] <TheSheep> yes
[04:47] <owen1> let's say i have a folder inside my home that i want to share with my 'guest' account (/etc/group shows me guest:x:1002). how do i do that?
[04:48] <owen1> TheSheep: do i need to make this folder rw to the guest group?
[04:49] <owen1> i mean share with the guest user, not account (unless account = user)
[04:51] <owen1> let's take an example - this is my folder i want to share - drwxr----- 14 oren oren.  do i need to make it drwxrw---- 14 oren guest
[04:54] <owen1> TheSheep: all i changed was the group (from oren to guest) and the gave r and w permissions to guest.
[06:00] <TheSheep> owen1: sorry, was afk
[06:00] <TheSheep> owen1: yes, user = account
[06:01] <TheSheep> owen1: you have to give him an x right to your home directory and all directories along the way
[06:01] <TheSheep> owen1: otherwise he won't even be able to enter them
[06:02] <TheSheep> owen1: you can make your home drwx--x--x
[06:02] <owen1> TheSheep: what if i move the folder to his home?
[06:02] <TheSheep> owen1: then you eed the x right
[06:02] <TheSheep> need*
[06:02] <TheSheep> on his home folder
[06:02] <owen1> why do i need x. x=execute
[06:02] <owen1> don't i need read/write?
[06:03] <TheSheep> on directories it means the permission to enter into it
[06:03] <TheSheep> read on directory means permission to list it contents
[06:03] <owen1> interesting.
[06:03] <TheSheep> you can be able to enter a directory and not list its content, for example
[06:03] <TheSheep> or to list its content but not enter it
[06:04] <owen1> so if i must give him x on my home i should move everything i care about outside of my home.
[06:04] <chrishartim> hi, after a clean install and adding all codecs from medibuntu: unable to listen to internet radio (*.pls) or mp3
[06:04] <chrishartim> ideas?
[06:04] <TheSheep> owen1: I think the simplest way is to just put everything oin his home and give everyone all rights to it
[06:05] <owen1> TheSheep: yeah.
[06:05] <owen1> TheSheep: what about giving x to home but not giving x to all subfolder excluding our shared?
[06:05] <TheSheep> that's an option too
[06:06] <owen1> TheSheep: so it seems like ssh can be secure. what's the big deal with jailing and all other security stuff i read about?
[06:09] <TheSheep> owen1: two things
[06:10] <TheSheep> owen1: first, you might be not the only user in your system, and not all users may pay attention to the rights to their home folders
[06:10] <TheSheep> there might be some files you forgot about outside your home, and users who are just sloppy and made everything readable to everyone
[06:12] <TheSheep> second, he has access to the programs installed. some of them run as root. they are usually pretty well tested, but bugs and security holes still happen. if he finds one (which is very hard) he might be able to use one of the apps that run as root to get root priviledges
[06:12] <owen1> interesting. so ssh is inherently secure. it's humens..
[06:12] <TheSheep> it's not ssh that's secure
[06:13] <TheSheep> you are using normal system rights here, it doesn't matter how he gets into your system
[06:13] <TheSheep> note, that if you install the security updates, he has very small chances to actually find and use a new security hole
[06:14] <TheSheep> but some people like it safe, or maybe don't like to update things that often, so they use a chroot jail that restricts the access to apps, making it less likely that there is a hole in one of them
[06:14] <owen1> i am actualy using the alternate CD, and not the server version. are there any packages i am missing?
[06:14] <TheSheep> no
[06:15] <owen1> i love ubuntu..
[06:15] <TheSheep> they both should install identical system
[06:15] <owen1> thank you so much for helping me with this. i can't wait for my first vim programming session.
[06:17] <TheSheep> have lots of fun
[14:25] <flow> Bonjour je trouve pas comment passer en mode root sur xubuntu 8.04
[14:25] <vinnl> flow, English please
[14:29] <knome> flow, or #ubuntu-fr
[14:30] <flow> Thanks ;)
[16:29] <andy_js> Hi, I'd just like to let everyone know that I've released StormOS Hail Beta
[16:29] <andy_js> Its an XFCE orientated distribution of GNU/Solaris
[16:30] <andy_js> based on Nexenta Core Platform 2.0
[16:31] <andy_js> you can find out more at stormos.org
[16:48] <ron_o> hehe, Solaris..
[16:48] <ron_o> BSD is hard enough to find applications for.
[16:50] <andy_js> yeah, well we are porting pretty much the entire ubuntu repo :p
[16:55] <ron_o> andy_js, how can you do that? won't you have problems with libraries?
[16:55] <andy_js> yeah, its not easy
[16:56] <andy_js> once you've got the foundation in place (which nexenta have) a lot of things will build without too much hastle
[16:56] <andy_js> there is an autobuilder which has managed to port a lot of things over
[16:57] <andy_js> last I heard there was 10,000+ packages
[17:01] <ron_o> ahh, yes. Solving computer problems with a computer. :)
[17:01] <ron_o> I'm glad to hear that is the case. We don't need linux turning into another MS in the FOSS world.
[17:07] <Carlis> Carlis
[17:08] <Carlis> I need help
[17:09] <TheSheep> Carlis: I ran out of batteries for my crystal ball, so you will have to elaborate :)
[17:09] <Carlis> How do i know if HPLIP software is installed in Xubuntu ?
[17:09] <TheSheep> Carlis: you can check in synaptic
[17:10] <TheSheep> Carlis: go to system -> synaptic package manager
[17:10] <Carlis> ok
[17:10] <TheSheep> Carlis: and search for hplip
[17:10] <TheSheep> I think it's installed by default
[17:10] <Carlis> wait TheSheep
[17:13] <Carlis> yes, It`s installed
[17:13] <ron_o> I have HPLIP status service in the tray.
[17:13] <ron_o> for jaunty
[17:16] <Carlis> ok
[17:16] <Carlis> How do i remove any item in the office folder ?
[17:22] <ron_o> what do you mean, Carlis?
[17:25] <Carlis> ok
[17:25] <Carlis> for example
[17:27] <Carlis> I have in the office folder this dictionary. I want to remove it. How do i do it ?
[17:27] <ron_o> you mean in the menu..
[17:27] <ron_o> I don't think you can.
[17:28] <TheSheep> you can, but it's nontrivial
[17:28] <ron_o> but I hear there's a xml config file around to do that, but why bother?
[17:28] <TheSheep> there is work on a gui editor
[17:28] <TheSheep> but it can take a while
[17:30] <raevol> TheSheep: do you know where i can keep up on that? for example if i wanted to see the code?
[17:30] <Carlis> or is there anyway to hide it ?
[17:31] <raevol> carlis you can add NoDisplay=true to the corresponding .desktop file for what you want to hide
[17:31] <raevol> the .desktop files are in /usr/share/applications
[17:31] <TheSheep> raevol: maybe ask on #xubuntu-devel or on #xfce
[17:32] <raevol> thanks
[17:32] <Carlis> wait please
[17:37] <Carlis> I found the desktop file. How do i hide Dictionary ?
[17:38] <Carlis> Raevol ?
[17:39] <raevol> add NoDisplay=true to the corresponding .desktop file for what you want to hide
[17:40] <ron_o> raevol, it's not on the .desktop ... it's in the menu.
[17:40] <ron_o> and you can eliminate all desktop applications via settings
[17:40] <raevol> the meny is controlled by files ending with a .desktop extention that reside in /usr/share/applications
[17:40] <raevol> check there yourself
[17:41] <ron_o> Carlis, IMHO, just live with what you have in the menu.
[17:41] <ron_o> raevol, I already did. I found no .desktop in applications
[17:42] <Carlis> IMHO ??
[17:42] <ron_o> I'm in Jaunty
[17:42] <ron_o> yah...
[17:42] <Carlis> what is IMHO ?
[17:42] <ron_o> it's just too much work for what you want to accomplish.
[17:42] <ron_o> in my humble opinion
[17:42] <ron_o> must be a noob. :)
[17:42] <raevol> ron, what applications are you looking in?
[17:43] <ron_o>  /usr/share/applications
[17:43] <raevol> there's no files in there?
[17:43] <ron_o> there is no file named .desktop in there
[17:43] <ron_o> plenty of files. :)
[17:43] <raevol> .desktop is the extension for the files
[17:43] <raevol> not the entire filename
[17:43] <raevol> if you look close, they end with .desktop
[17:43] <Carlis> How do i hide or remove dictionary from Office Folder ???
[17:44] <raevol> if you are looking at them in thunar, that might not show up, but if you ls them in a terminal you can see the extentions
[17:44] <raevol> these files are referred to as .desktop files because of their extensions
[17:44] <raevol> Carlis: i've told you several times now
[17:45] <Carlis> did u say in desktop files ?
[17:45] <ron_o> nevermind raevol I see now.
[17:45] <Carlis> desktop file ?
[17:45] <Carlis> raevol ?
[17:46] <raevol> carlis you need to read what i wrote :)
[17:46] <TheSheep> you usually want to copy the corresponding file to ~/.local/share/applications and modify in there
[17:46] <TheSheep> this way it won't be overwritten on an upgrade
[17:46] <raevol> TheSheep: do files there override the ones in /usr/share? if they have the same filename?
[17:46] <TheSheep> raevol: yes
[17:46] <raevol> cool, didn't know that
[17:47] <Carlis> You said in desktopp file raevol right ?
[17:47] <raevol> Carlis: check pm
[17:47] <ronn_o> sysem crashed..
[17:50] <ron_o> raevol, what was that .desktop setting again? I lost it when I crashed.
[17:51] <raevol> the one to hide things? NoDisplay=true
[17:51] <ron_o> yah, thanks..
[17:51] <raevol> do as TheSheep suggested and copy the file to ~/.local/share/applications before you add that
[17:56] <TheSheep> Hidden=true is better, I think
[17:58] <raevol> works either way i think, don't know the difference
[17:59] <TheSheep> raevol: http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s05.html
[17:59] <ron_o> while we are on the subject, where would the apps located on 'other' in the menu for Wine applications.
[18:00] <ron_o> I have tons or Readme files all over that sub-menu
[18:04] <TheSheep> ron_o: everything that has no recognizable category in its .desktop file goes to other
[18:06] <raevol> TheSheep: so if you want to keep the association you should use NoDisplay then
[18:06] <raevol> Hidden does more than just hide it
[18:10] <raevol> wait so what's the difference between /opt and /usr/local
[18:11] <ron_o>  /opt is optional applications, no? and /local is for just one user I believe
[18:12] <ron_o> to verify the obvious. :)
[18:13] <raevol> well, not ~/.local
[18:13] <raevol> /usr/local
[18:16] <gaurdro> is there a way to reduce xubuntu jaunty's memory footprint?  it's taking nearly a gigabyte with only xchat and a terminal running.
[18:21] <ron_o> gaurdro, I have problems too with jaunty. How many applets do you have running?
[18:22] <ron_o> my main problem is really with Opera running. For some reason javascripts and flash really do a hurting on RAM. Memory leaks?
[18:24] <ron_o> I think I'm going back to fluxbox
[18:24] <cody-somerville> Xubuntu rarely ever uses more than 512mb for me.
[18:26] <ron_o> I think for me it's Opera and having 20 tabs open, with a few with old flash movies. It just keeps on taking RAM until I'm finished.
[18:27] <gaurdro> hrm,  I do leave firefox open for extended periods as with spe but killing the x server and bringing things back up nearly always clocks in at about 800 Mb
[18:27] <cody-somerville> You know, using RAM is actually a good thing
[18:27] <cody-somerville> RAM is fast
[18:27] <cody-somerville> The issue is when you start swapping
[18:27] <raevol> hahaha
[18:27] <russ_> hey guys, does anyone know how to mount a HFS+ drive in xubuntu?
[18:27] <gaurdro> yep,  considering this machine has 1gb of ram shared with the video card I do that fairly often.
[18:28] <cody-somerville> russ_, mount -t hfsplus /dev/XXX /where/you/want/to/mount/it
[18:28] <ron_o> yah, of course swap is slow, but I shouldn't be using more than 1GB anyway.
[18:29] <ron_o> and then my swap takes over and things get really slow.
[18:29] <russ_> how do I find the XXX, when i use gparted or look at dmesg i cant find anything about it
[18:29] <ron_o> I have to then restart swap to get everything back to normal.
[18:29] <russ_> thanks cody
[18:29] <cody-somerville> russ_, you can try lshw
[18:30] <ron_o> dmesg can show where something is mounted.
[18:30] <ron_o> dmesg | tail will do just fine if it's new.
[18:31] <russ_> i see usb0 through usb2
[18:31] <russ_> but they dont show any drives
[18:31] <ron_o> russ, try #dmesg | tail    or     #dmesg | grep dev
[18:32] <cody-somerville> ron_o, fyi, I have Firefox, Exaile, Emerald, Compiz, Pidgin, Thunar, Xchat, sflphone, gnome system monitor, xfce4-terminal, xfce4 weather plugin, notes plugin, seahorse, and the regular xfce stuff and I'm only using 1.2gb of ram with no swapping.
[18:32] <ron_o> or #dmesg | grep sd*
[18:32] <ron_o> cody-somerville, that's about right.
[18:32] <russ_> its showing a previously mounted 512 USB drive SCSI removable disk
[18:32] <ron_o> but you said no more than 512. :)
[18:32] <russ_> at sdb
[18:33] <cody-somerville> ron_o, Well, I got a new laptop earlier this week
[18:33] <ron_o> I see.
[18:33] <cody-somerville> ron_o, If I closed Firefox, I'd free up almost half a gig of memory
[18:33] <russ_> [  649.935046] Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, logical block 504
[18:33] <russ_> [  649.935083] Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, logical block 505
[18:33] <russ_> [  650.019989] scsi 2:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to dead device
[18:34] <russ_> does that mean its F*ed?
[18:34] <ron_o> the thing that really pisses me off is that 2GB RAM is incredibly a lot. The more you have the more these applicatinos have..
[18:34] <cody-somerville> ron_o, I have 4gb of ram
[18:34] <ron_o> 2GB should be able to run 5 firfox apps without any problems.
[18:34] <cody-somerville> ron_o, I've not yet been able to use it all up
[18:34] <cody-somerville> ron_o, even with eclipse and all kinds of other stuff running
[18:34] <ron_o> cody-somerville, I would think not.
[18:35] <ron_o> try using a virtual OS and see how quickly it dries up.
[18:35] <russ_> ron_o . cody-somerville  [  722.041534] usb-storage: device found at 3
[18:35] <russ_> [  722.041539] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
[18:35] <russ_> [  727.040331] usb-storage: device scan complete
[18:35] <ron_o> that's the way it should be.
[18:35] <ron_o> russ_, I don't know what that means.
[18:35] <russ_> does that indicate its address?
[18:35] <cody-somerville> ron_o, I think my CPU has special virtualization support
[18:35] <cody-somerville> russ_, sdb1 looks about right
[18:35] <russ_> ok
[18:36] <ron_o> cody-somerville, with virtualbox it doesn't need any... however, it's really hard on the CPU.
[18:36] <ron_o> and right now it can only use one Core.
[18:36] <cody-somerville> ouch
[18:36]  * cody-somerville has the P8600
[18:37] <ron_o> that's for laptops..
[18:37] <ron_o> my desktop has had one that fast for over a year now.
[18:38] <cody-somerville> I don't have a desktop
[18:38] <ron_o> eventually, I'll come across something that's really fast enough, but I'm not expecting that too soon.
[18:38] <ron_o> I figure we'll just do more stuff with our computer the faster it gets..
[18:38] <ron_o> like TV for one.
[18:39] <ron_o> secondly, virtualization.
[18:39] <russ_> sucks, i know the drive works
[18:39] <ron_o> getting a bit off-topic here. Sorry.
[18:39] <ron_o> russ, take out your pen drive, that's what it is right?
[18:39] <russ_> no
[18:39] <ron_o> oh..
[18:39] <ron_o> HD?
[18:39] <russ_> its a external 2.5" incased
[18:39] <russ_> yes
[18:40] <ron_o> connected through USB?
[18:40] <russ_> i had just plugged in a 512MB flash drive to make sure the usB port works
[18:40] <russ_> and it does
[18:40] <russ_> yes
[18:40] <ron_o> unplug the external and plug it back in..
[18:40] <russ_> k
[18:40] <ron_o> then run #dmesg | tail     in root
[18:41] <ron_o> that will give you the last 10 lines of dmesg
[18:41] <russ_> just has stuff about the USB flash drive
[18:41] <ron_o> anything you just plugged in should be there, and it should be your device.
[18:41] <russ_> at sdb
[18:42] <russ_> huh
[18:42] <russ_> thats weird
[18:43] <ron_o> try #dmesg | tail --lines=20
[18:43] <alyawn> I just rebooted my xubuntu 9.04 machine (first time in a long time), now my display is all out of whack and the max res is 640x480. I've looked through /var/log/messages and see no errors, but the nvidia tool and the display properties only list a max of 640x480... what can I do to fix?
[18:44] <russ_> ron_o, still only info on the USB 2.0 Flash disk
[18:44] <cody-somerville> alyawn, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[18:44] <cody-somerville> alyawn, then restart
[18:44] <ron_o> alyawn, you could not reboot, but try to shutdown, then turn off power to your computer first and restart computer and see if that fixes it.
[18:44] <ron_o> I have to mess with nvidia all the time to get it right..
[18:44] <ron_o> you could try to use an older xorg config file.
[18:45] <alyawn> this is the first issue I've ever had with display
[18:45] <ron_o> russ_, does your external have it's own power supply?
[18:45] <cody-somerville> 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg' should resolve it
[18:45] <ron_o> never had one before.
[18:45] <russ_> negative
[18:45] <ron_o> weird.
[18:45] <russ_> but
[18:46] <ron_o> try #lshw and see if it's located there.
[18:46] <russ_> this is an older laptop, could it be possible that the drive needs more power from a USB 2 port? and thats why it shows up on m newer machines
[18:47] <russ_> still 3 empty usb listed
[18:48] <russ_> brb im gonna break this open and mount it into a SATA dock with power
[18:48] <ron_o> well that could be it. If your older laptop is USB 1.1 and your external can only connect to USB 2.0, then there's your problem.
[18:48] <ron_o> see what your external is rated for.
[18:50] <russ_> ugh
[18:50] <russ_> feel like an idiot
[18:50] <russ_> usb 2.0 required
[18:50] <russ_> if i break it open and dock it into a powered dock
[18:50] <ron_o> not only that 1.1 is incredibly slow. You woulnd't want to use an external on that.
[18:50] <russ_> i just need to get my data onto it
[18:50] <russ_> i dont want to have mount it onto this windows machine
[18:50] <russ_> then map it through the network
[18:51] <ron_o> I see.
[18:51] <russ_> maybe that would be faster in the long run though
[18:51] <alyawn> cody-somerville: that fixed the issue, thanks. I have no clue what could have happened to my config, maybe an update killed it
[18:52] <russ_> ron_o , how do i turn on samba in xubuntu?
[18:52] <russ_> total newb im sorry
[18:53] <ron_o> I've never used samba.
[18:53] <cody-somerville> russ_, What do you mean by enable samba?
[18:53] <cody-somerville> Do you want to share files or access shares?
[18:53] <ron_o> but there are umpteen howtos out there.
[18:54] <russ_> yeah just checked
[18:54] <russ_> i just want to mount this drive on the windows machine and pull through network
[18:54] <russ_> enable samba i suppose
[18:55] <ron_o> you have to install it first. :)
[18:55] <ron_o> sudo apt-get install samba4
[18:55] <russ_> gotcha
[18:55] <cody-somerville> !samba
[18:56] <russ_> ron_o, cody-somerville , do you two listen to music?
[18:57] <cody-somerville> last.fm username is somerville32
[18:58] <ron_o> listen?
[18:58] <russ_> oh cool my bands up there
[18:58] <russ_> just wondering if you used music player, or amarok or what
[18:59] <raevol> the new amarok is so terrible
[18:59] <raevol> i used to use it
[18:59] <ron_o> I usually use Streamtuner and record music from there.
[18:59] <ron_o> it's kind of free *and* legal.
[18:59] <ron_o> I use just audacious
[19:00] <russ_> damn thought the new amarok would be good
[19:00] <raevol> aside from games, the windows application i miss the most is winamp 5
[19:00] <russ_> i know =[
[19:00] <russ_> winamp before it got bloated
[19:00] <raevol> once i am a programmer i want to write Linamp
[19:00] <ron_o> yah, sucks. Windows does have some great third tier apps.
[19:00] <russ_> im sure you will supported
[19:00] <russ_> be* supported
[19:01] <raevol> wish i could recruit programmers to do it now
[19:01] <russ_> check out mass solo revolt on last.fm
[19:01] <ron_o> but no way will I ever go back to that madhouse of total insecurity
[19:01] <russ_> easy mark
[19:01] <raevol> but i'm sure people don't like to be bossed around
[19:01] <raevol> yea, i quit using windows when i realized i was having to hack things in order to use third party themes
[19:02] <ron_o> raevol, I found some old pics I took of Windows 98 Desktop/Menu and I had over 15 applications for just security purposes.
[19:03] <ron_o> all that running and figuring and planning and studying and you still couldnt keep sh*t off your computer.
[19:03] <ron_o> what a waste.
[19:04] <raevol> hahaha yea
[19:06] <ron_o> I just had a relative over the other day and they're like, 'why don't you go back to Windows'?
[19:06] <ron_o> they bought me a book on "linux for Dummies.."
[19:06] <ron_o> kind of a slap in the face.
[19:06] <russ_> lol
[19:06] <ron_o> like, your computer always has something wrong with it.
[19:06] <ron_o> like, I do a lot with my computer.
[19:07] <ron_o> the problem with Windows is you always have something wrong with it but you don't know it.
[19:07] <raevol> hahaha
[19:07] <raevol> yea pretty much
[19:07] <ron_o> it just pisses me off that some people are so self righteous.
[19:07] <ron_o> like, "Linux sucks"..
[19:08] <raevol> they don't understand what open source is
[19:08] <Roylap> "Oh yeah that operating system for geeks"
[19:08] <raevol> i used to be like that
[19:08] <russ_> it clearly takes a certain personality to appreciate open source for its true beauty
[19:08] <raevol> then you ask them to give you some music they bought from itunes
[19:08] <raevol> and their world starts falling apart
[19:08] <russ_> rofl
[19:09] <raevol> "wait, why doesn't it play?"
[19:09] <ron_o> yah..
[19:09] <russ_> or they plug in their ipod into another computer and it gets whiped clean
[19:09] <russ_> so awesome
[19:09] <raevol> :D
[19:10] <raevol> i don't even use my mp3 player anymore, i have a eeepc and a 250gig external drive
[19:10] <russ_> lol
[19:10] <ron_o> "I freed a thousand slaves. I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves."
[19:10] <ron_o> -- Harriet Tubman
[19:10] <russ_> basically what im trying to do with this machine is put all my music onto it
[19:10] <vidd> it took me 25 minutes last night to get flash installed properly on my win7 system last night =\
[19:10] <russ_> from my old mac
[19:10] <raevol> haha win7
[19:10] <ron_o> raevol, it's kind of hard to take an eeepc everywhere.
[19:11] <raevol> ron_o: much easier than a bigger computer though
[19:11] <ron_o> I use a sansa.. just bought one up Walmart for $50. It's like 8GB.. and it's a Clip
[19:11] <raevol> plus i don't listen to music when i am walking around
[19:11] <ron_o> yah: re; computer
[19:11] <ron_o> raevol, no?
[19:11] <ron_o> wtf..
[19:11] <raevol> i listen to my surrounding environment for the sound of cars trying to run me over
[19:11] <ron_o> I do when doing chores and stuff.
[19:11] <vidd> raevol, lol
[19:12] <raevol> it's worked out for me so far
[19:12] <raevol> haha miranda
[19:12] <ron_o> I use my mp3 player in the car, and listen to my own music, almost commercial free.
[19:12] <raevol> yea i need an aux hookup in my car :(
[19:12] <andy_js> almost commercial free?
[19:12] <ron_o> raevol, you can just get one of those cassette tapes.
[19:12] <raevol> no tape deck
[19:12] <ron_o> andy_js, yah, I get most of my music from internet radio.
[19:13] <raevol> need a new stereo, but don't want to pay for it
[19:13] <ron_o> raevol, what kind of car you have? 1950s?
[19:13] <raevol> heh
[19:13] <raevol> nah, corolla CE
[19:13] <russ_> bbl guys thanks alot
[19:13] <raevol> the cheapest corolla
[19:13] <vidd> raevol, they have those set-ups that run off a particular radio frequency =]
[19:13] <russ_> try and figure this out
[19:13] <raevol> vidd: how's the bass on those?
[19:14] <vidd> raevol, that would depend on your car's audio system
[19:14] <raevol> i mean do you lose any quality going over radio frequencies?
[19:14] <vidd> dunno....i use that stupid cassette tape thing =\
[19:15] <raevol> i know you lose quality with those
[19:15]  * TheSheep looks at -offtopic
[19:15] <raevol> o.o
[19:15] <raevol> 1/10th the people in there :P
[19:16] <ron_o> the cassette ain't bad, but mine keeps stopping when it hits the end.
[19:16] <raevol> hehe
[19:19] <Araneidae> Hi -- anybody happen to know where xfce keeps its configuration files?
[19:21] <ron_o> they are all over, but the main ones are hidden in you home directory
[19:22] <ron_o> go to ~/ and hit cntrl-h
[19:22] <vidd> Araneidae, what are you looking to configure?
[19:22] <TheSheep> actually it obeys the freedesktop specs
[19:22] <Araneidae> vidd, a couple of things.
[19:22] <Araneidae> 1.  I really dislike the way that xfce sometime decides to restore the desktop I was running before and I just want to erase its memory
[19:23] <vidd> Araneidae, you looking to make changes to "you only"? or universal (all users on the system)?
[19:23] <Araneidae> 2. I'd really like to see if there's some way I can have windows without decorations.
[19:23] <TheSheep> Araneidae: delete ~/.cache/sessions
[19:23] <Araneidae> Oh, just local.
[19:23] <Araneidae> TheSheep, will that stop it trying to save next time?
[19:23] <TheSheep> Araneidae: no, unchesk it in session settings
[19:23] <TheSheep> uncheck
[19:23] <vidd> Araneidae, when you log out, make sure the "check" box is empty for "remember"
[19:24] <Araneidae> Sure, I normally have that unset
[19:24] <raevol> oh hey, since there are people here, does anyone know how i can change the window list blink behavior?
[19:24] <vidd> Araneidae, but if the system "crashes" it will sometimes return you to the same stuff
[19:24] <Araneidae> But it must have got set once.  The delete ~/.cache/sessions seems a useful tip, just tried that
[19:24] <Araneidae> Yah
[19:25] <Araneidae> I get the feeling xfce really isn't designed to be tinkered with at the configuration file level
[19:27] <vidd> Araneidae, of course it is....your just not familiar with it
[19:27] <Araneidae> Sure, sure.  Just not getting much traction though.
[19:28] <vidd> i just wish i could get the menu cusomization to work properly
[19:29] <raevol> gotta wait for the menu editor
[19:29] <Araneidae> Looking through the documentation is discouraging, for example.  Lots of "there is no documentation ... yet"
[19:29] <vidd> raevol, shouldnt need to wait
[19:30] <Araneidae> And haven't found any configuration file documentation yet at all...
[19:30] <raevol> vidd true, but no one's getting paid to make it
[19:30] <vidd> i know how to set it up....i know where to put it....it just doesnt work
[19:30] <Araneidae> Lots of pretty screen shots ... but I'm using xfce because I don't WANT screen candy!
[19:30] <vidd> my custom menu file is ignored
[19:30] <raevol> is that that xml file that dseignates the layout of the menu?
[19:30] <raevol> yea that didn't work for me either...
[19:30] <Araneidae> Of course I should be using dwm ;)
[19:30] <vidd> raevol, yes
[19:31] <TheSheep> Araneidae: /usr/share/xfce4/doc/C
[19:31] <raevol> dunno wtf is up with that, it's reading some config file that i can't find
[19:31] <vidd> the system i upgraded since dapper works fine
[19:32] <Araneidae> TheSheep, hadn't fount that -- was looking on the web!  Ta
[19:34] <Araneidae> Um.   Looks about the same.  All about navigating windows screenshots...
[19:36] <ron_o> KISS... in fluxbox you can minipulate anything.
[19:36] <ron_o> xubuntu should have learned off of them.
[19:37] <Araneidae> I tried dwm and xmonad, but actually xfce is closer in behaviour to what I want -- not really keen to write too much code to tweak my desktop!
[19:38] <Araneidae> Is fluxbox easy to get started with?
[19:38] <ron_o> well in fluxbox all you have to do is know how to minipulate a few config files.. but with fluxbox comes many other issues, like it's lacking applets in the menu and such.
[19:39] <ron_o> Araneidae, you need to read up on it for a bit. Its almost barebones so you need to know right from the start which config files to manipulate.
[19:39] <Araneidae> Well, the task bar is actually quite handy and I like multiple workspaces -- couldn't survive without them on my work machine
[19:39] <ron_o> you get multiple with FB..
[19:39] <ron_o> the task bar is about useless.
[19:39] <Araneidae> But otherwise I expect I want a pretty bare desktop
[19:40] <ron_o> and I like minipulating sound as well from the taskbar.
[19:40] <Araneidae> Not really a problem, I expect.
[19:40] <ron_o> give it a whirl. Read up on it and withint half an hour you'd be up and going
[19:40] <Araneidae> Thanks for the tip, I'll give it a try
[19:40] <ron_o> just read the beginners FAQ.
[19:41] <ron_o> from my experience, it's way more stable than Xubuntu. I've crashed this system countless times with Xubuntu. But never that I can recall from fluxbox.
[19:42] <ron_o> had it running on a 1.6Ghz, with 350 MB RAM (or so)
[19:42] <Araneidae> Is this the FAQ: http://fluxbox-wiki.org/index.php?title=Faqs ?
[19:43] <ron_o> yup..
[19:43] <ron_o> Menu is a great place to start.
[19:43] <Araneidae> Is it ok with dual screens, do you happen to know?
[19:43] <Araneidae> Looks really interesting
[19:43] <vidd> dual screens works fine for me
[19:43] <Araneidae> Gread
[19:44] <Araneidae> great
[19:48] <Araneidae> Yay!  It's in synaptic :)
[20:39] <pato123> hello I have next to me a pc where I installed xubuntu 8.04.1, with alternate cd. installation went ok but after boot it just stays at executing rc local or something like that, any clues?
[20:39] <TheSheep> pato123: can you switch to the second console with alt+ctrl+f2?
[20:40] <pato123> i?m at console right now, (done a recovery mode bot)
[20:40] <pato123> boot
[20:41] <pato123> switeched to second console, then logged in, I don?t know what to do next
[20:42] <slow-motion> hi
[20:43] <pato123> startx doesn?t work
[20:43] <pato123> it returns an error
[20:54] <firsm> How do I disable the useless scrensaver? Kind of annoying when watching videos? I've got no screensaver icons in xfce4-settings-manager
[20:55] <charlie-tca> what version of Xubuntu?
[20:55] <firsm> jaunty
[20:55] <charlie-tca> Have you uninstalled the screensaver?
[20:56] <firsm> No, it ran just a minute ago while I was watching videos
[20:56] <charlie-tca> You should have a Applications -> Settings -> Screensaver
[20:57] <firsm> ah, it was in the menu but not in the "Settings" window, thanks.
[21:19] <S0210> Hi! My menu is pretty messy. How to edit the menu file?
[21:21] <SiDi> S0210, 9.04 i suppose ?
[21:21] <SiDi> http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
[21:21] <SiDi> no menu editor yet
[21:24] <S0210> so is the currently used file in /home/username/.config/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml ?
[21:24] <SiDi> this one contains the categories of menus available
[21:25] <SiDi> then you also have the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/
[21:25] <SiDi> They're whats in the menu
[21:25] <SiDi> if you want to edit one for your session, copy it to .local/share/applications and modify the file
[21:25] <SiDi> for hiding a menu entry, add "NoDisplay=true;"
[21:26] <Sweetshark_> tracker search is not working for me. Im also missing the trackerd executable. Any hints?
[21:27] <S0210> The problem I have is that the menu seems to be too long... so I'm about to delete a few items from it. But I was suprized to see that the menu.xml is just a fewlines...
[21:28] <SiDi> S0210, it only contains the categories of menus (like System / Games / network)
[21:29] <SiDi> the menu is made with the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications and in ~/.local/share/applications
[21:29] <SiDi> The menu editor is coming soon, anyway :]
[21:32] <S0210> Hmmm... I'm looking forward to it :-]
[21:40] <slow-motion> how can i remove the hybernate and standby buttons from the logout button panel? i cant find the menu for it anymore
[21:42] <Salix_> Is there a test computer that I can test with the Remote Desktop application?
[21:43] <SiDi> hm i dont think we have that under hand :)
[21:43] <SiDi> people wouldnt let it live for long
[21:44] <Salix_> ?
[21:45] <SiDi> if we had such a test machine, too many people would try to play with it, and it'd die under connection attempts. Especially since VNC clients have the ability to disconnect all other clients for an account. People would play 'disconnect the neighbor' all time :p
[21:45]  * SiDi admits its mostly because it never crossed anyone's mind.
[21:45] <Salix_> ic
[21:45] <knome> would take awful lot of bandwidth.
[21:45] <SiDi> you can connect to yourself though Salix_
[21:46] <Salix_> SiDi: vino is the one I need?
[21:47] <SiDi> hm
[21:47] <SiDi> the client's name is vinagre, afaik
[21:47] <SiDi> i dont remember the server's name
[22:05] <slow-motion> have installed xubuntu new and deleted the file with my settings for transmission. how can i get my torrents back?
[22:11] <gamepockets> media tomb keeps showing unsupported data on ps3, Any advice?
[22:16] <gamepockets> mediatomb shows unsupported data on ps3, any advice?
[22:16] <gamepockets> editing transcoding did nothing...
[22:17] <gamepockets> anyone??
[22:17] <Slonkie> be patent!
[22:17] <Slonkie> patient*
[22:17] <Slonkie> Someone will answer if they know the answer!
[22:17] <knome> !attitude | gamepockets
[22:18] <gamepockets> ok, just didn't see any activity.
[22:22] <slow-motion> n8
[22:33] <Salix_> bye