bencrisford | stgraber: ping | 14:31 |
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bencrisford | stgraber: Pingaling | 18:01 |
stgraber | bencrisford: sort of there | 18:38 |
bencrisford | my bug fix went a bit wrong stgraber :( | 18:38 |
bencrisford | i changed added a dependency to fix a bug, then did dch -i and updated the changelog and then debuild -S | 18:39 |
bencrisford | when i did my debdiff | 18:39 |
bencrisford | all that appeared in there | 18:39 |
bencrisford | was the changes to the changelog :'( | 18:39 |
bencrisford | and ive tried and tried and tried | 18:39 |
bencrisford | was up late last night fiddling around | 18:39 |
bencrisford | and early this morning | 18:40 |
stgraber | hmm, that's weird. | 18:41 |
stgraber | so you: | 18:41 |
stgraber | - changed debian/control | 18:41 |
stgraber | - dch -i | 18:41 |
stgraber | - debuild -S -sa | 18:41 |
stgraber | - debdiff old.dsc new.dsc | 18:41 |
stgraber | ? | 18:41 |
bencrisford | -sa ? nope | 18:41 |
bencrisford | but i did the rest yeah | 18:41 |
* LaserJock thinks he stepped into a debuild question | 18:42 | |
stgraber | you did :) | 18:42 |
bencrisford | yeah | 18:42 |
bencrisford | just after you went last night, my debdiff got totally screwed up | 18:42 |
bencrisford | when i change the control file | 18:42 |
bencrisford | all i get in my debdiff | 18:42 |
bencrisford | is the changelog entry | 18:43 |
bencrisford | :( | 18:43 |
bencrisford | no matter what i do it seems | 18:43 |
bencrisford | i was up late last night, and early this morning fiddling around | 18:43 |
LaserJock | did you figure it out? | 18:43 |
bencrisford | nope | 18:43 |
LaserJock | my guess would be that you accidentally overwrote your original source package | 18:44 |
LaserJock | so what you think is the pure Ubuntu package actually includes your control file changes | 18:44 |
LaserJock | and so when you debdiff it, it doesn't see any difference there | 18:45 |
bencrisford | ohhh crapppp | 18:45 |
bencrisford | i might be able to fix this :/ | 18:45 |
LaserJock | just re-download the current Ubuntu source package and re-diff | 18:46 |
bencrisford | i have done | 18:48 |
bencrisford | seeeveral times | 18:48 |
LaserJock | ok, so what steps do you do? | 18:49 |
bencrisford | apt-get source pessulus | 18:50 |
bencrisford | vi debian/control | 18:50 |
bencrisford | dch -i | 18:50 |
bencrisford | debuild -S | 18:50 |
bencrisford | cd .. | 18:50 |
bencrisford | debdiff old.dsc new.dsc > new.debdiff | 18:50 |
LaserJock | well, that should do it | 18:52 |
bencrisford | it doesnt =( | 18:53 |
bencrisford | ill try again though | 18:53 |
LaserJock | you might verify that your changes were actually saved in debian/control | 18:56 |
LaserJock | there's got to be some simple thing | 18:57 |
bencrisford | I did a few times :) | 18:57 |
bencrisford | still dont work :( | 18:59 |
LaserJock | bencrisford: what is the dependency you're adding? | 19:04 |
LaserJock | bencrisford: I think I found your problem | 19:19 |
LaserJock | :-) | 19:19 |
nubae | hi LaserJock | 19:21 |
LaserJock | hi nubae | 19:21 |
nubae | did u get a chance to see Sugar? | 19:21 |
LaserJock | not yet, no | 19:21 |
LaserJock | I need to find some time to download it | 19:21 |
nubae | ah... u should give it a spin... its really looking very nice now... its pushed the debian folks to get their ass in gear and get 0.84 working | 19:22 |
LaserJock | bencrisford: couple things. 1) make sure you get the karmic source package, not the jaunty one and 2) you actually need to edit debian/control.in because that is used to automatically build the debian/control file when you run debuild -S | 19:22 |
nubae | unfortunately, the ubuntu folks are just waiting to take what debian does, and aren't doing anything on their own initiative... I get the feeling the debian packager is resentful because of that | 19:22 |
LaserJock | what Ubuntu folks? | 19:23 |
nubae | heh, well those signed up as sugar team | 19:23 |
LaserJock | bencrisford: so your debian/control file was getting overwritten each time you ran debuild -S | 19:23 |
nubae | of which morgs was really the only one doing any work... | 19:23 |
LaserJock | nubae: right | 19:23 |
nubae | sounds familiar | 19:23 |
nubae | ;-) | 19:23 |
LaserJock | and he's not around anymore | 19:23 |
nubae | right | 19:24 |
LaserJock | so basically there are no Ubuntu folks | 19:24 |
LaserJock | ergo they aren't waiting ;-) | 19:24 |
nubae | well, I offered Jonas (debian packager) whatever help he needs | 19:24 |
nubae | well, there are a bunch of folks claiming to be the ubuntu sugar team | 19:24 |
nubae | and they are 'waiting to see what happens with debian' | 19:24 |
nubae | ;-) | 19:24 |
LaserJock | are you sure? | 19:27 |
LaserJock | did they send an email somewhere? | 19:27 |
nubae | in Sugar, lfaraone claims he, Sacha Silbe, and 3 others are the ubuntu sugar team | 19:28 |
nubae | #sugar that would be | 19:28 |
nubae | and that they made a decision to wait and see what happens with debian | 19:28 |
nubae | I have a feeling this is because they simply have no idea what else todo | 19:28 |
nubae | anyway, please do take a look at the suse offering so I can get going on working on the ubuntu side | 19:29 |
LaserJock | why do I have to look at it? | 19:30 |
nubae | cause u are edubuntu council and u make decisions on what goes in and what doesnt? | 19:31 |
LaserJock | I'm certainly interested in what you've done, but I don't know why that'd block Ubuntu | 19:31 |
nubae | I'm sure I can come up with other reasons... | 19:31 |
LaserJock | well, is Debian getting back on track? | 19:31 |
nubae | basically so u can discuss with me how we move forward with putting it into ubuntu | 19:31 |
nubae | they are... like I said, I'd work with Jonas | 19:31 |
nubae | but how its presented is an ubuntu thing | 19:32 |
LaserJock | ok, well bottom line is if Debian get's things in order we mostly get things for free | 19:32 |
LaserJock | ah | 19:32 |
nubae | ie... how many/which activities to show, how to categorise | 19:32 |
nubae | how to include in the cd/dvd | 19:32 |
LaserJock | I think we might consider having an edubuntu-sugar metapackage | 19:32 |
nubae | do we make a just sugar ubuntu cd/usb stick= | 19:32 |
nubae | ? | 19:32 |
nubae | yeah that goes without saying... | 19:33 |
LaserJock | well | 19:33 |
LaserJock | I can imagine having an official unofficial Sugar-on-a-Stick image | 19:34 |
LaserJock | we're not going to have enough official hosting for it | 19:34 |
LaserJock | we're going to be lucky if we get the DVD | 19:34 |
nubae | yeah since the other distros do it, e/dubuntu kind has to too | 19:34 |
nubae | it has a big advantage there | 19:34 |
nubae | and that is that it can carry binary drivers | 19:35 |
LaserJock | other distros as in? Fedora and openSUSE? | 19:35 |
nubae | where Fedora and openSUSE cannot | 19:35 |
nubae | I'm thinking about net connectivity here | 19:35 |
nubae | its quite a pain on both Fedora and openSUSE... | 19:35 |
LaserJock | ah, because Ubuntu has pretty good network/wifi hardware support? | 19:35 |
nubae | yep | 19:36 |
nubae | so that is a very big advantage, that might even tip the balance as to which SoaS is used | 19:36 |
LaserJock | well, I would think as long as we can find some hosting for it | 19:36 |
LaserJock | and we say that we don't explicitly support the image itself | 19:36 |
nubae | right now people are doing crazy stuff like virtualising Sugar on an ubuntu image | 19:36 |
LaserJock | it would be really fairly easy for us to do | 19:37 |
nubae | virtualising fedora on ubuntu to get networking working... | 19:37 |
nubae | pretty crazy | 19:37 |
LaserJock | I'm just not sure we have resources to have it as an official, fully supported offering, if that makes sense | 19:37 |
LaserJock | yucky | 19:37 |
nubae | yeah yucky but there is no other way.... this is where the entire policy crap shoots us linux users in the foot | 19:38 |
LaserJock | so the things we'd want would be: | 19:38 |
LaserJock | 1) metapackage that puts everything together | 19:38 |
LaserJock | 2) image building script | 19:38 |
nubae | and metapackages that seperate by subject perhaps | 19:38 |
LaserJock | well | 19:38 |
nubae | as in the next version of sugar, u can launch individual activities straight through gnome | 19:38 |
LaserJock | Sugar on a Stick is a live version isn't it? | 19:39 |
LaserJock | wouldn't we just want everything installed? | 19:39 |
nubae | yeah | 19:39 |
nubae | thats the question | 19:39 |
LaserJock | what's the reason not to? | 19:39 |
nubae | sugar 'policy' (I hate that term now) says users should only have the core activities | 19:39 |
LaserJock | ah, I see | 19:40 |
nubae | and that all the rest should be downloaded from activities.sugarlabs.org | 19:40 |
nubae | I disagree completely | 19:40 |
nubae | which is why I packaged all the activities | 19:40 |
LaserJock | so in showing off Sugar we want to make sure to show off the official Sugar packages | 19:40 |
nubae | I would say no... I would say we show off the best possible sugar | 19:40 |
nubae | its up to us what we package | 19:40 |
nubae | but thats why I want u to look at suse sugar | 19:41 |
nubae | so u get an idea of what is packagable | 19:41 |
LaserJock | but in the case of Sugar-on-a-Stick it's a demo'ing thing so you really want to show off the full capabilities | 19:41 |
nubae | and from that we can choose what to do | 19:41 |
nubae | yeah indeed, I think so too | 19:41 |
nubae | but the sugar 'policy' is not that | 19:41 |
LaserJock | well, we can do whatever we want | 19:42 |
LaserJock | the sticking point would be if we wanted our image to be like officially blessed or something | 19:42 |
nubae | by whom? | 19:42 |
LaserJock | Sugar Labs or something | 19:42 |
nubae | bah, they'd bless it regardless | 19:42 |
LaserJock | ok, well then I don't see much of a problem | 19:42 |
nubae | at least they did with opensuse, where that offering is currently considered to be the best ;-) | 19:43 |
LaserJock | it's kinda like Ubuntu shipping Firefox extensions | 19:43 |
nubae | or binary drivers | 19:43 |
LaserJock | except more so in this case I think | 19:43 |
LaserJock | as for sure for a image the usefulness of the image is in having everything there out of the box | 19:43 |
nubae | yeah | 19:43 |
nubae | actually activities.sugarlabs.org is based on mozilla extensions api | 19:44 |
LaserJock | I need to run | 19:44 |
nubae | yep | 19:44 |
nubae | ok.. well take a look when u get a chance | 19:44 |
LaserJock | but I think if you maybe could put together a "this is what needs to be done in order to produce a USB image" and send it to the list it'd help get the ball rolling | 19:44 |
bencrisford | LaserJock: you're a ruddy genius!!! it worked!!! | 19:49 |
bencrisford | you should do like a phd or something ;P | 19:49 |
nubae | a phd in package management... heh that would actually be quite an interesting position, with some possible job opportuntiies at the end of the line | 20:03 |
compusec | does someone know how to fix the WIRELESS WEAK SIGNAL PROBLEM on ubuntu 9.04 | 22:04 |
compusec | ? | 22:04 |
compusec | no | 22:05 |
asanchez | compusec, do you mean Ralink problem? | 22:05 |
compusec | i got | 22:05 |
compusec | a problem with any wireless connection on any laptop that i install ubuntu 9.04 | 22:05 |
compusec | i have read that there are a lot of people with this problem, but i haven't found a solution yet | 22:06 |
asanchez | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/293946 | 22:07 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 293946 in linux "realtek rtl8187 weak signal, occasional slow performance" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 22:07 |
asanchez | a | 22:08 |
compusec | yeah, alrealdy readed that, no help at all | 22:11 |
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