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bencrisfordstgraber: ping14:31
bencrisfordstgraber: Pingaling18:01
stgraberbencrisford: sort of there18:38
bencrisfordmy bug fix went a bit wrong stgraber :(18:38
bencrisfordi changed added a dependency to fix a bug, then did dch -i and updated the changelog and then debuild -S18:39
bencrisfordwhen i did my debdiff18:39
bencrisfordall that appeared in there18:39
bencrisfordwas the changes to the changelog :'(18:39
bencrisfordand ive tried and tried and tried18:39
bencrisfordwas up late last night fiddling around18:39
bencrisfordand early this morning18:40
stgraberhmm, that's weird.18:41
stgraberso you:18:41
stgraber - changed debian/control18:41
stgraber - dch -i18:41
stgraber - debuild -S -sa18:41
stgraber - debdiff old.dsc new.dsc18:41
stgraber?18:41
bencrisford-sa ?  nope18:41
bencrisfordbut i did the rest yeah18:41
* LaserJock thinks he stepped into a debuild question18:42
stgraberyou did :)18:42
bencrisfordyeah18:42
bencrisfordjust after you went last night, my debdiff got totally screwed up18:42
bencrisfordwhen i change the control file18:42
bencrisfordall i get in my debdiff18:42
bencrisfordis the changelog entry18:43
bencrisford:(18:43
bencrisfordno matter what i do it seems18:43
bencrisfordi was up late last night, and early this morning fiddling around18:43
LaserJockdid you figure it out?18:43
bencrisfordnope18:43
LaserJockmy guess would be that you accidentally overwrote your original source package18:44
LaserJockso what you think is the pure Ubuntu package actually includes your control file changes18:44
LaserJockand so when you debdiff it, it doesn't see any difference there18:45
bencrisfordohhh crapppp18:45
bencrisfordi might be able to fix this :/18:45
LaserJockjust re-download the current Ubuntu source package and re-diff18:46
bencrisfordi have done18:48
bencrisfordseeeveral times18:48
LaserJockok, so what steps do you do?18:49
bencrisfordapt-get source pessulus18:50
bencrisfordvi debian/control18:50
bencrisforddch -i18:50
bencrisforddebuild -S18:50
bencrisfordcd ..18:50
bencrisforddebdiff old.dsc new.dsc > new.debdiff18:50
LaserJockwell, that should do it18:52
bencrisfordit doesnt =(18:53
bencrisfordill try again though18:53
LaserJockyou might verify that your changes were actually saved in debian/control18:56
LaserJockthere's got to be some simple thing18:57
bencrisfordI did a few times :)18:57
bencrisfordstill dont work :(18:59
LaserJockbencrisford: what is the dependency you're adding?19:04
LaserJockbencrisford: I think I found your problem19:19
LaserJock:-)19:19
nubaehi LaserJock19:21
LaserJockhi nubae19:21
nubaedid u get a chance to see Sugar?19:21
LaserJocknot yet, no19:21
LaserJockI need to find some time to download it19:21
nubaeah... u should give it a spin... its really looking very nice now... its pushed the debian folks to get their ass in gear and get 0.84 working19:22
LaserJockbencrisford: couple things. 1) make sure you get the karmic source package, not the jaunty one and 2) you actually need to edit debian/control.in because that is used to automatically build the debian/control file when you run debuild -S19:22
nubaeunfortunately, the ubuntu folks are just waiting to take what debian does, and aren't doing anything on their own initiative... I get the feeling the debian packager is resentful because of that19:22
LaserJockwhat Ubuntu folks?19:23
nubaeheh, well those signed up as sugar team19:23
LaserJockbencrisford: so your debian/control file was getting overwritten each time you ran debuild -S19:23
nubaeof which morgs was really the only one doing any work...19:23
LaserJocknubae: right19:23
nubaesounds familiar19:23
nubae;-)19:23
LaserJockand he's not around anymore19:23
nubaeright19:24
LaserJockso basically there are no Ubuntu folks19:24
LaserJockergo they aren't waiting ;-)19:24
nubaewell, I offered Jonas (debian packager) whatever help he needs19:24
nubaewell, there are a bunch of folks claiming to be the ubuntu sugar team19:24
nubaeand they are 'waiting to see what happens with debian'19:24
nubae;-)19:24
LaserJockare you sure?19:27
LaserJockdid they send an email somewhere?19:27
nubaein Sugar, lfaraone claims he, Sacha Silbe, and 3 others are the ubuntu sugar team19:28
nubae#sugar that would be19:28
nubaeand that they made a decision to wait and see what happens with debian19:28
nubaeI have a feeling this is because they simply have no idea what else todo19:28
nubaeanyway, please do take a look at the suse offering so I can get going on working on the ubuntu side19:29
LaserJockwhy do I have to look at it?19:30
nubaecause u are edubuntu council and u make decisions on what goes in and what doesnt?19:31
LaserJockI'm certainly interested in what you've done, but I don't know why that'd block Ubuntu19:31
nubaeI'm sure I can come up with other reasons...19:31
LaserJockwell, is Debian getting back on track?19:31
nubaebasically so u can discuss with me how we move forward with putting it into ubuntu19:31
nubaethey are... like I said, I'd work with Jonas19:31
nubaebut how its presented is an ubuntu thing19:32
LaserJockok, well bottom line is if Debian get's things in order we mostly get things for free19:32
LaserJockah19:32
nubaeie... how many/which activities to show, how to categorise19:32
nubaehow to include in the cd/dvd19:32
LaserJockI think we might consider having an edubuntu-sugar metapackage19:32
nubaedo we make a just sugar ubuntu cd/usb stick=19:32
nubae?19:32
nubaeyeah that goes without saying...19:33
LaserJockwell19:33
LaserJockI can imagine having an official unofficial Sugar-on-a-Stick image19:34
LaserJockwe're not going to have enough official hosting for it19:34
LaserJockwe're going to be lucky if we get the DVD19:34
nubaeyeah since the other distros do it, e/dubuntu kind has to too19:34
nubaeit has a big advantage there19:34
nubaeand that is that it can carry binary drivers19:35
LaserJockother distros as in? Fedora and openSUSE?19:35
nubaewhere Fedora and openSUSE cannot19:35
nubaeI'm thinking about net connectivity here19:35
nubaeits quite a pain on both Fedora and openSUSE...19:35
LaserJockah, because Ubuntu has pretty good network/wifi hardware support?19:35
nubaeyep19:36
nubaeso that is a very big advantage, that might even tip the balance as to which SoaS is used19:36
LaserJockwell, I would think as  long as we can find some hosting for it19:36
LaserJockand we say that we don't explicitly support the image itself19:36
nubaeright now people are doing crazy stuff like virtualising Sugar on an ubuntu image19:36
LaserJockit would be really fairly easy for us to do19:37
nubaevirtualising fedora on ubuntu to get networking working...19:37
nubaepretty crazy19:37
LaserJockI'm just not sure we have resources to have it as an official, fully supported offering, if that makes sense19:37
LaserJockyucky19:37
nubaeyeah yucky but there is no other way.... this is where the entire policy crap shoots us linux users in the foot19:38
LaserJockso the things we'd want would be:19:38
LaserJock1) metapackage that puts everything together19:38
LaserJock2) image building script19:38
nubaeand metapackages that seperate by subject perhaps19:38
LaserJockwell19:38
nubaeas in the next version of sugar, u can launch individual activities straight through gnome19:38
LaserJockSugar on a Stick is a live version isn't it?19:39
LaserJockwouldn't we just want everything installed?19:39
nubaeyeah19:39
nubaethats the question19:39
LaserJockwhat's the reason not to?19:39
nubaesugar 'policy' (I hate that term now) says users should only have the core activities19:39
LaserJockah, I see19:40
nubaeand that all the rest should be downloaded from activities.sugarlabs.org19:40
nubaeI disagree completely19:40
nubaewhich is why I packaged all the activities19:40
LaserJockso in showing off Sugar we want to make sure to show off the official Sugar packages19:40
nubaeI would say no... I would say we show off the best possible sugar19:40
nubaeits up to us what we package19:40
nubaebut thats why I want u to look at suse sugar19:41
nubaeso u get an idea of what is packagable19:41
LaserJockbut in the case of Sugar-on-a-Stick it's a demo'ing thing so you really want to show off the full capabilities19:41
nubaeand from that we can choose what to do19:41
nubaeyeah indeed, I think so too19:41
nubaebut the sugar 'policy' is not that19:41
LaserJockwell, we can do whatever we want19:42
LaserJockthe sticking point would be if we wanted our image to be like officially blessed or something19:42
nubaeby whom?19:42
LaserJockSugar Labs or something19:42
nubaebah, they'd bless it regardless19:42
LaserJockok, well then I don't see much of a problem19:42
nubaeat least they did with opensuse, where that offering is currently considered to be the best ;-)19:43
LaserJockit's kinda like Ubuntu shipping Firefox extensions19:43
nubaeor binary drivers19:43
LaserJockexcept more so in this case I think19:43
LaserJockas for sure for a image the usefulness of the image is in having everything there out of the box19:43
nubaeyeah19:43
nubaeactually activities.sugarlabs.org is based on mozilla extensions api19:44
LaserJockI need to run19:44
nubaeyep19:44
nubaeok.. well take a look when u get a chance19:44
LaserJockbut I think if you maybe could put together a "this is what needs to be done in order to produce a USB image" and send it to the list it'd help get the ball rolling19:44
bencrisfordLaserJock: you're a ruddy genius!!!  it worked!!!19:49
bencrisfordyou should do like a phd or something ;P19:49
nubaea phd in package management... heh that would actually be quite an interesting position, with some possible job opportuntiies at the end of the line20:03
compusecdoes someone know how to fix the WIRELESS WEAK SIGNAL PROBLEM on ubuntu 9.0422:04
compusec?22:04
compusecno22:05
asanchezcompusec, do you mean Ralink problem?22:05
compuseci got22:05
compuseca problem with any wireless connection on any laptop that i install ubuntu 9.0422:05
compuseci have read that there are a lot of people with this problem, but i haven't found a solution yet22:06
asanchezhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/29394622:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 293946 in linux "realtek rtl8187 weak signal, occasional slow performance" [Undecided,Confirmed]22:07
asancheza22:08
compusecyeah, alrealdy readed that, no help at all22:11
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