[14:31] <bencrisford> stgraber: ping
[18:01] <bencrisford> stgraber: Pingaling
[18:38] <stgraber> bencrisford: sort of there
[18:38] <bencrisford> my bug fix went a bit wrong stgraber :(
[18:39] <bencrisford> i changed added a dependency to fix a bug, then did dch -i and updated the changelog and then debuild -S
[18:39] <bencrisford> when i did my debdiff
[18:39] <bencrisford> all that appeared in there
[18:39] <bencrisford> was the changes to the changelog :'(
[18:39] <bencrisford> and ive tried and tried and tried
[18:39] <bencrisford> was up late last night fiddling around
[18:40] <bencrisford> and early this morning
[18:41] <stgraber> hmm, that's weird.
[18:41] <stgraber> so you:
[18:41] <stgraber>  - changed debian/control
[18:41] <stgraber>  - dch -i
[18:41] <stgraber>  - debuild -S -sa
[18:41] <stgraber>  - debdiff old.dsc new.dsc
[18:41] <stgraber> ?
[18:41] <bencrisford> -sa ?  nope
[18:41] <bencrisford> but i did the rest yeah
[18:42]  * LaserJock thinks he stepped into a debuild question
[18:42] <stgraber> you did :)
[18:42] <bencrisford> yeah
[18:42] <bencrisford> just after you went last night, my debdiff got totally screwed up
[18:42] <bencrisford> when i change the control file
[18:42] <bencrisford> all i get in my debdiff
[18:43] <bencrisford> is the changelog entry
[18:43] <bencrisford> :(
[18:43] <bencrisford> no matter what i do it seems
[18:43] <bencrisford> i was up late last night, and early this morning fiddling around
[18:43] <LaserJock> did you figure it out?
[18:43] <bencrisford> nope
[18:44] <LaserJock> my guess would be that you accidentally overwrote your original source package
[18:44] <LaserJock> so what you think is the pure Ubuntu package actually includes your control file changes
[18:45] <LaserJock> and so when you debdiff it, it doesn't see any difference there
[18:45] <bencrisford> ohhh crapppp
[18:45] <bencrisford> i might be able to fix this :/
[18:46] <LaserJock> just re-download the current Ubuntu source package and re-diff
[18:48] <bencrisford> i have done
[18:48] <bencrisford> seeeveral times
[18:49] <LaserJock> ok, so what steps do you do?
[18:50] <bencrisford> apt-get source pessulus
[18:50] <bencrisford> vi debian/control
[18:50] <bencrisford> dch -i
[18:50] <bencrisford> debuild -S
[18:50] <bencrisford> cd ..
[18:50] <bencrisford> debdiff old.dsc new.dsc > new.debdiff
[18:52] <LaserJock> well, that should do it
[18:53] <bencrisford> it doesnt =(
[18:53] <bencrisford> ill try again though
[18:56] <LaserJock> you might verify that your changes were actually saved in debian/control
[18:57] <LaserJock> there's got to be some simple thing
[18:57] <bencrisford> I did a few times :)
[18:59] <bencrisford> still dont work :(
[19:04] <LaserJock> bencrisford: what is the dependency you're adding?
[19:19] <LaserJock> bencrisford: I think I found your problem
[19:19] <LaserJock> :-)
[19:21] <nubae> hi LaserJock
[19:21] <LaserJock> hi nubae
[19:21] <nubae> did u get a chance to see Sugar?
[19:21] <LaserJock> not yet, no
[19:21] <LaserJock> I need to find some time to download it
[19:22] <nubae> ah... u should give it a spin... its really looking very nice now... its pushed the debian folks to get their ass in gear and get 0.84 working
[19:22] <LaserJock> bencrisford: couple things. 1) make sure you get the karmic source package, not the jaunty one and 2) you actually need to edit debian/control.in because that is used to automatically build the debian/control file when you run debuild -S
[19:22] <nubae> unfortunately, the ubuntu folks are just waiting to take what debian does, and aren't doing anything on their own initiative... I get the feeling the debian packager is resentful because of that
[19:23] <LaserJock> what Ubuntu folks?
[19:23] <nubae> heh, well those signed up as sugar team
[19:23] <LaserJock> bencrisford: so your debian/control file was getting overwritten each time you ran debuild -S
[19:23] <nubae> of which morgs was really the only one doing any work...
[19:23] <LaserJock> nubae: right
[19:23] <nubae> sounds familiar
[19:23] <nubae> ;-)
[19:23] <LaserJock> and he's not around anymore
[19:24] <nubae> right
[19:24] <LaserJock> so basically there are no Ubuntu folks
[19:24] <LaserJock> ergo they aren't waiting ;-)
[19:24] <nubae> well, I offered Jonas (debian packager) whatever help he needs
[19:24] <nubae> well, there are a bunch of folks claiming to be the ubuntu sugar team
[19:24] <nubae> and they are 'waiting to see what happens with debian'
[19:24] <nubae> ;-)
[19:27] <LaserJock> are you sure?
[19:27] <LaserJock> did they send an email somewhere?
[19:28] <nubae> in Sugar, lfaraone claims he, Sacha Silbe, and 3 others are the ubuntu sugar team
[19:28] <nubae> #sugar that would be
[19:28] <nubae> and that they made a decision to wait and see what happens with debian
[19:28] <nubae> I have a feeling this is because they simply have no idea what else todo
[19:29] <nubae> anyway, please do take a look at the suse offering so I can get going on working on the ubuntu side
[19:30] <LaserJock> why do I have to look at it?
[19:31] <nubae> cause u are edubuntu council and u make decisions on what goes in and what doesnt?
[19:31] <LaserJock> I'm certainly interested in what you've done, but I don't know why that'd block Ubuntu
[19:31] <nubae> I'm sure I can come up with other reasons...
[19:31] <LaserJock> well, is Debian getting back on track?
[19:31] <nubae> basically so u can discuss with me how we move forward with putting it into ubuntu
[19:31] <nubae> they are... like I said, I'd work with Jonas
[19:32] <nubae> but how its presented is an ubuntu thing
[19:32] <LaserJock> ok, well bottom line is if Debian get's things in order we mostly get things for free
[19:32] <LaserJock> ah
[19:32] <nubae> ie... how many/which activities to show, how to categorise
[19:32] <nubae> how to include in the cd/dvd
[19:32] <LaserJock> I think we might consider having an edubuntu-sugar metapackage
[19:32] <nubae> do we make a just sugar ubuntu cd/usb stick=
[19:32] <nubae> ?
[19:33] <nubae> yeah that goes without saying...
[19:33] <LaserJock> well
[19:34] <LaserJock> I can imagine having an official unofficial Sugar-on-a-Stick image
[19:34] <LaserJock> we're not going to have enough official hosting for it
[19:34] <LaserJock> we're going to be lucky if we get the DVD
[19:34] <nubae> yeah since the other distros do it, e/dubuntu kind has to too
[19:34] <nubae> it has a big advantage there
[19:35] <nubae> and that is that it can carry binary drivers
[19:35] <LaserJock> other distros as in? Fedora and openSUSE?
[19:35] <nubae> where Fedora and openSUSE cannot
[19:35] <nubae> I'm thinking about net connectivity here
[19:35] <nubae> its quite a pain on both Fedora and openSUSE...
[19:35] <LaserJock> ah, because Ubuntu has pretty good network/wifi hardware support?
[19:36] <nubae> yep
[19:36] <nubae> so that is a very big advantage, that might even tip the balance as to which SoaS is used
[19:36] <LaserJock> well, I would think as  long as we can find some hosting for it
[19:36] <LaserJock> and we say that we don't explicitly support the image itself
[19:36] <nubae> right now people are doing crazy stuff like virtualising Sugar on an ubuntu image
[19:37] <LaserJock> it would be really fairly easy for us to do
[19:37] <nubae> virtualising fedora on ubuntu to get networking working...
[19:37] <nubae> pretty crazy
[19:37] <LaserJock> I'm just not sure we have resources to have it as an official, fully supported offering, if that makes sense
[19:37] <LaserJock> yucky
[19:38] <nubae> yeah yucky but there is no other way.... this is where the entire policy crap shoots us linux users in the foot
[19:38] <LaserJock> so the things we'd want would be:
[19:38] <LaserJock> 1) metapackage that puts everything together
[19:38] <LaserJock> 2) image building script
[19:38] <nubae> and metapackages that seperate by subject perhaps
[19:38] <LaserJock> well
[19:38] <nubae> as in the next version of sugar, u can launch individual activities straight through gnome
[19:39] <LaserJock> Sugar on a Stick is a live version isn't it?
[19:39] <LaserJock> wouldn't we just want everything installed?
[19:39] <nubae> yeah
[19:39] <nubae> thats the question
[19:39] <LaserJock> what's the reason not to?
[19:39] <nubae> sugar 'policy' (I hate that term now) says users should only have the core activities
[19:40] <LaserJock> ah, I see
[19:40] <nubae> and that all the rest should be downloaded from activities.sugarlabs.org
[19:40] <nubae> I disagree completely
[19:40] <nubae> which is why I packaged all the activities
[19:40] <LaserJock> so in showing off Sugar we want to make sure to show off the official Sugar packages
[19:40] <nubae> I would say no... I would say we show off the best possible sugar
[19:40] <nubae> its up to us what we package
[19:41] <nubae> but thats why I want u to look at suse sugar
[19:41] <nubae> so u get an idea of what is packagable
[19:41] <LaserJock> but in the case of Sugar-on-a-Stick it's a demo'ing thing so you really want to show off the full capabilities
[19:41] <nubae> and from that we can choose what to do
[19:41] <nubae> yeah indeed, I think so too
[19:41] <nubae> but the sugar 'policy' is not that
[19:42] <LaserJock> well, we can do whatever we want
[19:42] <LaserJock> the sticking point would be if we wanted our image to be like officially blessed or something
[19:42] <nubae> by whom?
[19:42] <LaserJock> Sugar Labs or something
[19:42] <nubae> bah, they'd bless it regardless
[19:42] <LaserJock> ok, well then I don't see much of a problem
[19:43] <nubae> at least they did with opensuse, where that offering is currently considered to be the best ;-)
[19:43] <LaserJock> it's kinda like Ubuntu shipping Firefox extensions
[19:43] <nubae> or binary drivers
[19:43] <LaserJock> except more so in this case I think
[19:43] <LaserJock> as for sure for a image the usefulness of the image is in having everything there out of the box
[19:43] <nubae> yeah
[19:44] <nubae> actually activities.sugarlabs.org is based on mozilla extensions api
[19:44] <LaserJock> I need to run
[19:44] <nubae> yep
[19:44] <nubae> ok.. well take a look when u get a chance
[19:44] <LaserJock> but I think if you maybe could put together a "this is what needs to be done in order to produce a USB image" and send it to the list it'd help get the ball rolling
[19:49] <bencrisford> LaserJock: you're a ruddy genius!!!  it worked!!!
[19:49] <bencrisford> you should do like a phd or something ;P
[20:03] <nubae> a phd in package management... heh that would actually be quite an interesting position, with some possible job opportuntiies at the end of the line
[22:04] <compusec> does someone know how to fix the WIRELESS WEAK SIGNAL PROBLEM on ubuntu 9.04
[22:04] <compusec> ?
[22:05] <compusec> no
[22:05] <asanchez> compusec, do you mean Ralink problem?
[22:05] <compusec> i got
[22:05] <compusec> a problem with any wireless connection on any laptop that i install ubuntu 9.04
[22:06] <compusec> i have read that there are a lot of people with this problem, but i haven't found a solution yet
[22:07] <asanchez> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/293946
[22:08] <asanchez> a
[22:11] <compusec> yeah, alrealdy readed that, no help at all