[09:41] <zniavre> http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot1.png   does the shadow is correct please ?
[12:25] <knome> thorwil, if you order one of those (displays), will you order one for me as well ;)
[12:26] <knome> zniavre, does not look totally wrong.
[12:26] <knome> zniavre, i am bad with shadows, though.
[12:44] <thorwil> knome, sure. right after my world tour!
[12:44] <knome> :]
[12:45] <knome> but really, the resolution is quite lousy
[12:57] <thorwil> gnarg  http://www.flickr.com/photos/mairin/3599035712/
[13:21] <knome> o.o
[18:39]  * MetalMusicAddict waves.
[18:40]  * MetalMusicAddict is _MMA_ (from a different PC.)
[18:44] <MetalMusicAddict> macvr: Why did you remove your color of "document-save"? I think green was better there.
[18:44] <macvr> i liked it too but , it was too similar to daniel's submission felt like cheating :P
[18:45] <macvr> MetalMusicAddict: ^
[18:45] <MetalMusicAddict> Naa... That's what's needed sometimes.
[18:46] <macvr> MetalMusicAddict: also thought that someone might tell daniel himself to correct the color
[18:46] <MetalMusicAddict> Also note, I won't be able to reply to the list 'till tomorrow night or so.
[18:46] <macvr> np...
[18:46] <macvr> MetalMusicAddict: so should i add mine or , will someone tel daniel?
[18:47] <MetalMusicAddict> Well since you nixed it now, just drop a note on the list.
[18:47] <macvr> MetalMusicAddict: did u check the emblems, i tried to keep them simple since they will never be viewed full... how are they?
[18:48] <MetalMusicAddict> I really want to reply again to the thread about the spreadsheet mime. Nobody listened to my 1st post about setteling the look of the base mime 1st.
[18:48]  * MetalMusicAddict looks again
[18:49] <MetalMusicAddict> macvr: Oh yeah. Are they from scratch?
[18:50] <macvr> yup, onlt for the downloads the world icon i copied off of the internet categories icon
[18:50] <macvr> only^
[18:50] <MetalMusicAddict> Really? And you just started with SVGs? :)
[18:51] <macvr> MetalMusicAddict: come on, they are just simple lines... are they usable? or need any editing?
[18:51] <macvr> just started on 1 emblem then since i was on a roll , made 6!
[18:52] <MetalMusicAddict> You'de be surprised how many can't even do that. ;)
[18:52] <MetalMusicAddict> But yeah. I like 'em. Might need a little shine here and there.
[18:52] <MetalMusicAddict> I wanna see what Seb says.
[18:52] <macvr> MetalMusicAddict: like my initial submissions for nm-signals?
[18:53] <MetalMusicAddict> I think the "X" and "!" finishes are off from the others though.
[18:53] <macvr> MetalMusicAddict: hei x is me
[18:53] <MetalMusicAddict> They have this edge shine that looks to be missing from the others. (I'd get rid of it)
[18:53] <thorwil> macvr, i think the favorite star should be symmetrical. or have a clear perspective
[18:54] <MetalMusicAddict> But I like the odd shape to the arrows.
[18:54] <thorwil> macvr, for downloads, try to put the globe in front and/or make it larger
[18:54] <MetalMusicAddict> thorwil: Really? Strait-on? I thought the perspective worked. Kinda quirky.
[18:55] <macvr> MetalMusicAddict: i had a tough time with x , i made that 1 fully, but ! i copied the lines and tried to remake from mail-important
[18:55] <thorwil> MetalMusicAddict, yes, quirky. is Breathe quirky?
[18:56] <MetalMusicAddict> thorwil: Well we don't have to be *SO* serious.:)
[18:56] <macvr> thorwil: i wanted to have the perspective, atleast let the fav have its perspective , MetalMusicAddict wont let the folders !
[18:56] <MetalMusicAddict> But I could take it or leave it.
[18:57] <macvr> thorwil: i tried to put the globe ahead, but didnt look that good :(
[18:57] <MetalMusicAddict> macvr: huh? What about the folders?
[18:57] <macvr> MetalMusicAddict: perspective.. :P
[18:58] <MetalMusicAddict> Well as long as it hits the design points I'm open. ;)
[18:58] <thorwil> the X strokes end with non 90 degree angles
[18:58] <macvr> thorwil: also when it goes smaller there is a problem with the circle shape of the globe , hence i'v hid it in the 16px..
[18:59] <macvr> thorwil: that was purposeful
[18:59] <macvr> x
[19:00] <thorwil> well, i hope if i cut that X in halves and flip one to compare them, they will match ;)
[19:00] <macvr> thorwil: since i had the X not at as the tilted + , it created a weird effect! since i'm new i found this the best i could get, but if u can better it.. go ahead
[19:01] <macvr> they wont :P
[19:01] <MetalMusicAddict> macvr: As for the network icons, I really have to give more thought to it. I think I need to create a page for all of it. Listing where these all could be used. I have it on my list but I traveled back home this weekend (300 miles) to see my family so I can't get to it 'till next week.
[19:02] <thorwil> macvr, i think synchronized is too close to some reload icons. plain ends on the arrows would move it away a bit
[19:03] <macvr> MetalMusicAddict: did u check dashua's screenshot>> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/15709/screenshot_HP9X2C.png < u can view the nm -icons in action
[19:03] <thorwil> macvr, i can guide you through how to make sure things are symmetrical, but i will for sure not check each submission
[19:04] <MetalMusicAddict> macvr: Yes I did. Slick. But like I said, I want to see more submissions before I make any switch.
[19:05] <macvr> thorwil: will try the sync with plain ends but , tried this since i didnt want to do the same way it is always done...
[19:05] <macvr> MetalMusicAddict: no problem , just wanted u to check it out.. :)
[19:06] <MetalMusicAddict> macvr: Keep the current submission up when you put up the edit with thorwils suggestions.
[19:06] <macvr> ok
[19:07] <SiDi> macvr, what do you think the battery icons are ? big cheating from me :) the original one is what holds 97% of the work, and i didnt do it ^^
[19:07] <macvr> MetalMusicAddict: why do all the actions have light from below? why not maintain the lights everywhere?
[19:08] <SiDi> actually for the arrow icons having bottom light
[19:08] <macvr> SiDi: :P   ... well then i'll just add them to spite daniel :P
[19:08] <SiDi> i whined about it too, and i think seb too
[19:08] <MetalMusicAddict> macvr: Talk to daniel about that. He's done them.
[19:08] <SiDi> but it was forgotten amongst the big feedback and once the bottom light icons were polished it was a bit late
[19:08] <macvr> MetalMusicAddict: he said that u shot him down!
[19:09] <MetalMusicAddict> macvr: Id have to look back. You gotta remember, you guys work on specific areas where I have to see things as a whole. Sometimes, past chats are forgotten.
[19:10] <MetalMusicAddict> Lots to remember. :P
[19:10] <SiDi> :p
[19:10] <SiDi> the work part of artwork :p
[19:10] <MetalMusicAddict> macvr: But you keep it in mind and bring it up next week. We'll revisit it then.
[19:10] <macvr> MetalMusicAddict: np... but check the light for the icons before proposing to replace human... i think the lights are very inconsistent..
[19:11] <macvr> ok..
[19:11] <MetalMusicAddict> macvr: Remember this is a process. So sometimes I'll let things in that are *almost* there to refine later.
[19:12] <MetalMusicAddict> macvr: If I got hung up on everything to be 100%, we'd have like 10 icons. :P
[19:13] <macvr> MetalMusicAddict: np...i understand...i'll remind u later... but there is a mail in the list "lighting effect of actions"...  incase i forget too :P
[19:13] <MetalMusicAddict> Sure. I just can't get to it (my list email) from here.
[19:13] <MetalMusicAddict> But I'm reading the web archive.
[19:22] <macvr> thorwil: got sidetracked... symmetry ? how i did the x was , i made a rectangle , duplicated it and flipped it... but when something didnt look good i adjusted it...
[19:28] <thorwil> macvr, well, you can see things like such non-straight angles in typography sometimes
[19:29] <thorwil> macvr, anyway, you should make sure that things are either clearly symmetrical, or obviously not at all. "almost" is bad, as it nags the viewer
[19:29] <macvr> thorwil: the problem i had was , i didnt want the X arms to be symmetrical! so i ended up having to adjust the edjes
[19:30] <macvr> i didnt want the arms to point to the corners, hence i had the problems!
[19:30] <thorwil> macvr, do you mean vertcial or horizontal symmetry now?
[19:32] <macvr> i think the horizontal doesnt have much prob, but it more the vertical plane
[19:33] <thorwil> macvr, to me it looks like the X is meant to be symmetrcial on both axes. if it is not, it should be more pronounced
[19:34] <thorwil> macvr, you could study the letter X in various fonts to see some approaches
[19:35] <macvr> ok... i'll have to be more careful, what i adjust :) i think i accidentally adjusted a wrong line and had to adjust the rest :( using the laptop to draw is tough!
[19:35] <macvr> i think mouse would have been better.!
[19:35] <thorwil> ouch, yeah :)
[19:36] <macvr> usin the tap to lock and drag just makes it tough to release :( , sometimes i'll have to try several times to just get it to the right px!
[19:37] <thorwil> macvr, if you have shape you need to tweak and later on need the other halve of it to be symmetrical ...
[19:37] <macvr> thorwil: i think that where i went wrong, i didnt make the same changes on either sides!
[19:37] <macvr> thats^
[19:38] <thorwil> it's best to delete the halve of it, copy the remaining, flip it and use the arrange tools to place it exactly on the cut
[19:38] <thorwil> in this case, you do have nodes exactly on the axis of symmetry
[19:38] <macvr> thorwil: how do i erase? or delete part of the image?
[19:39] <thorwil> macvr, with bezier tool, drag select all nodes on the bad side and hit delete key
[19:40] <macvr> thorwil: oh... thats the only option :( an eraser like the one in GIMP would be wonderful
[19:40] <thorwil> macvr, then select the nodes on the open side and make the segment straight (horizontal toolbar)
[19:40] <thorwil> macvr, no, the other option is to use a rectangle
[19:41] <macvr> horizontal toolbar? what is that?
[19:41] <thorwil> make it cover the part you don't want anymore, select both, hit ctrl-shift-minus (substract, also in the menus)
[19:42] <thorwil> macvr, are you on inkscape 0.46?
[19:42] <macvr> s
[19:42] <macvr> u mean the one on the top?
[19:42] <thorwil> yes
[19:42] <macvr> ok..
[19:43] <macvr> unrelated... what is glyph meaning?
[19:44] <macvr> thorwil: ^
[19:44] <thorwil> just another term similar to sign, symbol, character
[19:45] <macvr> ok... hear it sometimes in the mailing list, google didnt give a better reply... so was wondering
[19:46] <macvr> thorwil: also, will the object combine when it is flipped ?
[19:48] <thorwil> macvr, not automatically. use the arrage tools to place the half exactly on the cut line. then select both halves and do Path -> Union
[19:48] <macvr> thorwil: ok...thank you... ill see how i can improve that X icon...  :)
[19:49] <thorwil> you might want to play with 2 objects and the Align and Distribute tools a bit to see what each one does
[19:49] <SiDi> Anyone living in dublin with a room/flat i could rent for this summer, by chance ? :P
[19:49] <macvr> i havent used them untill now , but will play soon...
[19:49] <macvr> thorwil: ^
[19:50] <thorwil> good :)
[19:50] <macvr> thorwil: thankx for the tips... :)
[19:50] <thorwil> np