[00:02] <Flannel> well, that was fun.
[00:04] <lfaraone_> Hi, I'm told that I can't send to #ubuntu.
[00:04] <lfaraone_> What gives?
[00:05] <Flannel> lfaraone_: Its +m
[00:05] <tomaw> needlessly, +rR will hold it
[00:05] <tomaw> undone
[00:06] <lfaraone_> Understood, thanks.
[00:06] <Flannel> That was interesting.  Were we not join rate limited?
[00:07] <tomaw> no
[00:07] <Seeker`> christ that was bad
[00:09] <Flannel> Mhmmm
[00:10] <tomaw> hopefully noone minds me removing your +m but it was needless and only causing problems
[00:32] <Flannel> Hmmm, Looks like that filled up the ban list.
[00:35] <Seeker`> shall I start removing them?
[00:40] <Pricey> tomaw: i'm pretty sure nobody will mind you messing with modes in #ubuntu if you think it for the best.
[00:40] <tomaw> :)
[00:43] <Flannel> With the floodbots doing +J again, do we need +r?
[00:44] <Pricey> Flannel: Well they do very different things?
[00:44] <Pricey> I also believe that upon setting -J, they won't reset it, but can't be sure.
[00:44] <Flannel> Pricey: +r was set to stop the spammers, +J will stop them from flooding
[00:45] <Flannel> Hmm
[00:45] <Flannel> maybe not.
[00:46] <Pricey> Flannel: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml Both stop joins.
[00:46] <Flannel> Floodbot1 set -J two hours before the attack, wasn't re-set.
[00:46] <Flannel> Pricey: right I know
[00:47] <Flannel> but, don't we normally live not +r?
[00:48] <tomaw> yes
[00:48] <Pricey> Did we lose a floodbot?
[00:48] <Flannel> I don't know why FB removed -J
[00:48] <Flannel> We lost FB2, but not until 17 minutes after FB1 set -J
[00:48] <Pricey> If so, it'll go -J until the floodbot returns, or we tell it that everything is ok and to continue with 2.
[00:48] <Pricey> Probably because floodbot2 stopped telling 1 & 3 that it was ok.
[00:49] <Flannel> So, we missed an emergency mode reset, which caused the attack to be viable
[00:49] <Flannel> I think we should remove +r though now, since FBs are back doing their thing
[00:50] <Flannel> Hmmm, just didn't have any 'flood' since then, so no emergency mode notices.  Bad luck.
[00:50] <Flannel> Maybe we should add FBs mentioning emergency mode in -monitor every hour or something if they're just chilling?
[01:09] <nalioth> Seeker`: you around?
[01:12] <genii> We must have lost a floodbot in #k , a guy pasted about 20 lines in there
[01:29] <nalioth> most likely, genii 
[01:29] <nalioth> somoene tripped over the hardline that serves mootbot and one of the floodys
[01:30] <nalioth> i take that back, fb2 has gone rogue on it's own
[02:38] <Seeker`> nalioth: just woke up enough ot move frorm sofa to bed
[02:40] <Seeker`> g'night
[03:18] <cabrey> there is an unappreciative (best description) member in #ubuntu, what should we do?
[03:24] <elky> cabrey, what are you on about?
[03:25] <cabrey> elky, nevermind it seems to have cleared up
[03:43] <Flannel> does seb^3 always respond with affirmatives as if he's never thought of the stuff you're mentioning before?
[03:44] <elky> i think so. he always seems to be making crap up as he goes
[03:45] <Flannel> I told him to cut his bot usage by 50%, and clarify questions before he goes off spouting random answers.  Just FYI for everyone.  Lets see how long it lasts.  (I know this isn't the first time I've spoken with him about it)
[03:46] <elky> you've just spoken to him again?
[03:47] <elky> he keeps getting everyone's goat by acting as though he's an op
[03:47] <Flannel> Well, I didn't talk to him about that,
[03:47] <Flannel> I spoke with him mostly because he's getting pieces of peoples questions (like the last line, whatever) and then spouting a bunch of random stuff.
[03:48] <Flannel> Someone was asking about php ("anyone gotten to work with php") which... could mean a whole bunch of things
[03:48] <Flannel> and he started going off assuming we were talking about lamp, etc.
[03:48] <Flannel> Previously, someone had a ssh question, he said something, then !ssh, then !info openssh-server
[03:49] <Flannel> which, if nothing else, the latter is entirely useless.
[04:00] <elky> illuzion is raising my eyebrows in -ot alot too...
[04:27] <Flannel> one more notch for s^3
[04:30] <elky> Flannel, now many notches does he get?
[04:30] <Flannel> Next !lol he sends he's gone.
[04:31] <Flannel> I actually would've done it then, but I didn't notice it until a few minutes later
[04:33] <Flannel> elky: where did luthir follow you from?
[04:33] <elky> #u-w
[04:33] <elky> of course, i needs my prozac
[04:34] <Flannel> I should've guessed that from his parting message.
[04:34] <elky> yeah.
[04:36] <elky> Flannel, he joined the channel, and we're currently suspicious of strangers with the name dan due to some unrelated craziness. so i say 'hi luthir' and he responds with 'hi how are you', then because i didnt respond to that quick enough, he decides to PM me asking if i was genuine or just being polite. i respond the latter. he then tells me if i ever want to talk geeky, i can PM him.
[04:37] <elky> and it progressed from there.
[04:40] <elky> how we tend to operate there is we greet strangers, and if they PM us we know they're sus.
[04:41] <elky> anyway, im off to get a late lunch and buy foods
[04:52] <elky> uh, so apparently it's not so unrelated...
[04:55] <elky> off for food really this time
[05:17] <Flannel> Howdy bk|away
[05:18] <Flannel> You're not in #ubuntu, obviously enough.  You've been forwarded here so we can discuss your nick change.
[05:19] <bk|away> so im not aloud a nick change?
[05:19] <Flannel> bk|away: Correct.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[05:20] <tritium> bk|away: not each time you set yourself /away.
[05:20] <Flannel> (third bolded point on the IRC Guidelines page)
[05:21] <Flannel> erm
[05:21] <Flannel> That didn't quite go how I had hoped it would.
[05:37] <ARMENIAN> Hi, for some reason when I try to join #Ubuntu, it says I've been banned, is there anyone I can talk to about this?
[05:40] <ARMENIAN> Is anyone here who can talk to me about why I was banned from @UBUNTU?
[05:41] <Flannel> Hi ARMENIAN
[05:41] <ARMENIAN> Flannel: Hi :D
[05:42] <ARMENIAN> Are you an OP Flannel?
[05:44] <Flannel> ARMENIAN: I am.
[05:45] <ARMENIAN> Flannel: is there anyway u can check as to why I was banned from #Ubuntu?
[05:45] <Flannel> ARMENIAN: Looks like you were pasting a porn link
[05:45] <ARMENIAN> Flannel: ok, that's right, crap i accidently pasted that in :P, is there anyway i can be unbanned or not?
[05:48] <Flannel> ARMENIAN: I think we'd be able to give you another chance, sure.  Before I do, please read over our IRC guidelines: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[05:49] <ARMENIAN> Ok, thank you very much, I'll make sure to look which link it is that I posted before I press enter this time, I'll go over the guidelines now
[06:13] <Flannel> Armenian: Read it yet?
[06:14] <Armenian> Flannel: yep finished like 5 minutes ago :D
[06:14] <Flannel> Armenian: Sounds good.
[06:14] <Flannel> Armenian: any questions about it?
[06:14] <Armenian> Flannel: yeah pretty fair rules
[06:15] <Flannel> Armenian: Alright, sounds good.  Try and be more careful next time.  Enjoy your stay in #ubuntu
[06:15] <Armenian> Flannel: Ok, thank you very much for your help :)
[06:22] <Flannel> Armenian: If there's nothing else we can help you with today, we ask people don't idle here.  Thanks
[06:22] <Armenian> Flannel: ohh ok, sorry, nah that's all, have a good day.
[06:22] <Armenian> bye :D
[06:23] <Flannel> Bye
[06:23] <Flannel> SirStan: How can we help you today?
[07:55] <Myrtti> SirStan: hello
[09:27] <elky> popey, who was clueba^wliasing with bugabundo about leaving the girls alone?
[09:29] <popey> elky: not sure anyone was actively doing so
[09:29] <popey> he's been nudged a few times as I understand it, but didn't know if he had a chapparone (sp?)
[09:29] <Myrtti> popey: he freaked me out accidentally yesterday
[09:30] <elky> popey, well, he's still contacting the people he's been told to stop contacting. including replying to microblogging stuff on irc.
[09:30] <elky> microblogging stuff that he's seeing because of a bug in an xmpp bridge.
[09:30] <Myrtti> after everything that's happened this week I quit updating my identica and because Jaiku is broken beyond all recognition, he somehow saw a message I wrote there and replied to me in identica
[09:31] <Myrtti> (and via the bridge also in twitter)
[09:31] <Myrtti> I don't know if I've told him clear enough to...
[09:31] <elky> ah, i thought it was irc, my mistake. still..., he's been told not to
[09:32] <elky> Myrtti, he's been told by more than just you. if that's not clear, then the cluebat needs a tactical upgrade.
[09:32] <Flannel> clue-tactical nuclear missle.
[09:32] <elky> what he
[09:32] <Myrtti> pardon my french, Fuck off, but I'm pretty worked up by all what's happened in last week so I'm kinda freaked out to the point where my blood pressure isn't in healthy levels anymore
[09:32] <elky> what he's doing is neither respectful or courteous, and he's supposed to behave by those principles now he has a member cloak and email address
[09:34] <popey> What would you like to see happen (cluebats aside)?
[09:35] <elky> popey, we'd like to see him learn the meaning of 'no' and 'stop'
[09:35] <popey> What has he been explicitly told not to do?
[09:35] <elky> yes, by numerous people. he does similar to maco too.
[09:35] <popey> sorry, that was a "what has" not "has" question
[09:36] <elky> popey, he's been told to leave myrtti and maco alone.
[09:36] <popey> I wondered what explicitly he has been asked to refrain from doing
[09:36] <popey> ok
[09:36] <Myrtti> the problem with me is that I have inbuilt inability to tell him to get lost
[09:37] <elky> Myrtti, he's been told by people other than you though.
[09:37] <Myrtti> I know
[09:37] <popey> Well the reason I am asking is that I don't know how it was articulated. I have told people to "leave me alone" before, but it's been a temporary thing, because they were irritating me at that time. 
[09:37] <popey> Has it been articulated that he should not communicate _for_ _all_ _time_ ?
[09:38] <Myrtti> I need to go get some pain meds and dress up before I work myself into a frenzy
[09:38] <popey> I am not excusing his behaviour in any way, merely trying to understand what he was asked to do, or rather not to do, and as such what he is in 'breach' of, if that makes sense.
[09:39] <elky> popey, i dont know what he's been told exactly. i'd have to check my logs to see what i've told him
[09:39] <popey> I'm happy to talk to him if that would help
[09:39] <popey> Given I raised it during his membership application.
[09:40] <popey> on another subject you have mail Myrtti :)
[09:41] <elky> i dont seem to have any record of me talking to him :-/
[09:42] <elky> popey, if you could speak to him that'd be great. he's clearly not got the message so far, so all we can do is continue to get it into his head somehow
[09:42] <popey> ok elky, will do
[09:44] <elky> popey, on other topics, did that thesis guy continue the dialog with you?
[09:47] <popey> yes
[09:47] <popey> I am going to meet him next week
[09:47] <popey> in person
[09:47] <popey> I work very close to his university
[09:48] <elky> excellent
[09:54] <Myrtti> bah, I need to go
[09:55] <elky> go, we'll handle things
[10:09] <popey> !o4o
[11:43] <jrib> ban list is full....
[11:44] <jrib> !ops
[11:44] <elky> i only have like 1 ban in the list
[11:44] <jussi01> Myrtti: do your thing?
[11:44] <elky> im seeing lots of .dyn. though
[11:47] <elky> there's alot of floodbot bans on 187.* through to 201.*
[11:48] <elky> btlogin
[11:48] <elky> bah
[11:48] <elky> @btlogin
[11:54] <elky> they all went in today, no wonder we're out of space
[11:55] <elky> i imagine they're klined, so we can remove those
[11:57] <elky> um, is anyone lining lifts up?
[11:57] <elky> jussi01? jrib?
[12:00]  * elky taps the screen wondering 'is this thing on?'
[12:00] <jrib> elky: sorry, I just removed my old ones
[12:01] <jrib> but I'll help as long as we coordinate to avoid duplication of effort
[12:01] <jrib> so we have about 4 free spots now :)
[12:01] <elky> lets work on the dyn ones
[12:01] <Seeker`> we need myrttis script to generate the unbans
[12:02] <elky> there's about a million floodbot ones for 187, 189, 200, 201
[12:02] <Seeker`> yeah, from the bot attack last night
[12:02] <elky> yeah
[12:02] <Seeker`> i would imagine they could all be removed
[12:02] <elky> i'd imagine those got k-lines, so we can get rid of those
[12:03] <Seeker`> anything set around 43000 seconds ago by the floodbots
[12:04] <elky> i think myr tti is afk
[12:05] <elky> someone who irssi's needs to get that script, srsly
[12:05] <elky> i could point and click in xchat though, i suppose
[12:06] <elky> jrib, Seeker` what you on currently?
[12:06] <Seeker`> irssi
[12:06] <elky> no, what bans are you lining up currently?
[12:07] <jrib> i was going to go learn the new weechat api...
[12:07] <Seeker`> sorry, was trying to sort something else out
[12:07] <Seeker`> are there any slots on the banlist free at the moment?
[12:07] <jrib> 4
[12:07] <elky> i'll take 189*
[12:08] <Seeker`> 190*
[12:09] <jrib> i'll do 20[01]* then
[12:09] <Seeker`> my breakfast is ready, i'll finish 190 when I get bakc
[12:10] <Seeker`> wont be long
[12:12] <elky> i'll do 187* now
[12:15] <elky> Seeker`, i'll just do all the ones for 9:02 now, i have them lined up pretty much
[12:24] <elky> someone needs to go through ljl's old bans too
[12:52] <Myrtti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/189559/
[12:53] <Myrtti> i'll see if i can upload the script tomorrow or later on to be available to all
[12:53] <Seeker`> 2cool
[12:54] <Myrtti> i'm on my n800 now, didn't bring my lappy with me to mums
[12:55] <Myrtti> so it might be tomorrow
[12:55] <elky> i havent finished the 9:02 ones yet
[13:05] <Myrtti> hold on...
[13:06] <Myrtti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/189566/
[13:07] <Myrtti> thats the correct one
[13:55] <jussi01> bazhang: do people not read or something?
[13:55] <bazhang> jussi01, sadly they dont :(
[13:56] <Seeker`> :(
[13:56] <bazhang> have to slap them with the link to get their attention these days
[13:56] <Seeker`> or a clue-by-four
[13:56] <bazhang> hehe
[14:00] <bazhang> #ubuntu-devel is not a support channel, correct ?
[14:11] <jussi01> definately not, why?
[14:12] <jussi01> bazhang: ^^
[14:13] <bazhang> pickpocket was asking for it, got referred to +1
[14:14] <jussi01> ok. please dont send people there at all...
[14:15] <Seeker`> +1 isn't support either, is it?
[14:15] <bazhang> to +1 ? twas tiyowan
[14:15] <bazhang> besides he does not seem to be a developer, #ubuntu-devel would likely not appreciate his presence
[14:16] <Myrtti> +1 is support in a way
[14:18] <Seeker`> ubot2 is a real pain
[14:19] <Myrtti> it is
[14:21] <jussi01> why is it even in here?
[14:21] <Pricey> ubot's should be here..? help keep track etc.
[14:22] <Pricey> Isn't +1 support for ubuntu+1?
[14:22] <jussi01> Pricey: keep track of what?
[14:22] <jpds> jussi01: That it's alive?
[14:22] <jussi01> ubottu:  need to be here because of factoid requests
[14:22] <jussi01> jpds: and we cant do that in -irc?
[14:24] <jussi01> really, atm I see no reason why its here, the factoid requests go to -irc...
[16:24] <Myrtti> New potatoes <3
[16:25] <Seeker`> ewww
[16:26] <Myrtti> Burp
[19:10] <Amaranth> dang tab completion :P
[19:10] <Seeker`> :D
[19:10] <Seeker`> your powers are weak old man :P
[19:10]  * Amaranth beats Seeker` with a cane
[19:11] <Seeker`> :D
[19:25] <Mamarok> could somebody watch #kubuntu? shadeslayer needs some supervision and I have to go...
[19:25] <Mamarok> he is a tad on the fringe of CoC
[19:27] <Seeker`> I dont have access there
[19:58] <nalioth> you don't need access to catalyze
[20:01] <Seeker`> am trying to deal with weird blood sugars at the moment, which makes trying to be patient with people difficult
[20:02] <ikonia> I can
[20:02]  * ikonia watches
[20:04] <Flannel> He wasn't in #k when I looked
[20:04] <ikonia> nope
[20:07] <jussi01> he left soon after:
[20:07] <jussi01> [21:26:52] <shadeslayer> ok i think if i stay sometime longer Mamarok's gonna ban me :P , so bye all
[20:07] <ikonia> yes, read it
[20:07] <ikonia> I'll go back to watching the worst horror movie ever 
[20:08] <Seeker`> what movie is that?
[20:08] <Seeker`> i'd imagine bambi is pretty bad as a horror movie
[20:18] <jussi01> *snigger*
[21:13] <Flannel> ubottu: tell badnerd19 about yourself
[22:21] <mneptok> "I was born a poor black child ..."
[22:30] <jussi01> mneptok: huh?
[22:30] <jussi01> !o4o
[22:33] <Flannel> Hi guntbert, how can we help you?
[22:33] <guntbert> hi, somebody changed the factoid patience to a circle reference
[22:33] <guntbert> !patience
[22:34] <guntbert> :-)
[22:34] <jussi01> guntbert: so they did, we will get it fixed, thanks.
[22:34] <guntbert> bye
[22:34] <Flannel> Patience used to be "people here are volunteers.... " right?
[22:35]  * jussi01 doesnt remember
[22:35] <Flannel> I suppose that meant an alias here
[22:35] <Flannel> !behaviour
[22:36] <Flannel> I think we could just nix the see also in !repeat
[22:37] <Flannel> but, I'm not sure the suggestion of wiki.ubuntu.com is right.  should that be updated to help.ubuntu.com/community/ perhaps?
[22:42] <mneptok> jussi01: see previous inputline
[22:43] <tsimpson> both the wiki and help.u.c are used for some things
[23:20] <Seeker`> !-patience
[23:21] <Flannel> wiki.ubuntu.com shouldn't have any "support" type things on it.  It's just a team thing
[23:21] <Seeker`> err, wut?
[23:22] <jussi01> :)
[23:23] <Flannel> Seeker`: What?
[23:23] <Seeker`> it used to be
[23:23] <Flannel> help.ubuntu.com/community is where all the support stuff goes, wiki.ubuntu.com is just a team thing
[23:23] <Flannel> right, it all got migrated over.
[23:24] <Flannel> That being said, are there times that factoid is used for team stuff?
[23:24] <Flannel> should we include the forums in that factoid?
[23:26] <Flannel> from a #ubuntu perspective, I'd say nix the w.u.c and add in ubuntuforums.org
[23:45] <tsimpson> !search wiki.ubuntu.com
[23:53] <tsimpson> there are tons of factoids that point to w.u.c articles that don't redirect to h.u.c
[23:53] <tsimpson> make sure you either check before editing or add a redirect on w.u.c to h.u.c