[00:01] hola [00:02] hi [00:46] how do i upload a file via scp?, scp user@host /path/to/file [00:55] nvm... [00:55] FFForever: man pages are your friend [00:56] giovani, when you have the documents installed i kinda removed them ;) [00:56] saving space one file at a time XD [00:59] FFForever: See http://manpages.ubuntu.com/ [01:00] BTW, you must be working on a tiny embedded machine to be that short of space, right? [01:15] any embedded device that's that limited on space is HIGHLY unlikely to be x86 ... [01:15] so somehow I doubt it === asac_ is now known as asac [02:33] hi === amego is now known as johny === johny is now known as johny__ [02:33] hi [02:34] what's the different between view "localhost_resolver" , view "internal" and view "external" in named.conf === johny__ is now known as system === system is now known as system_V [02:51] system_V: view internal and view external are what clients see depending on whether they are internal (local to your LAN, usually) or external (everyone else)... [02:52] You will need to look for the match_clients paragraph and teh corresponding acl definitions to determine what clients each refers to in your specific case. [02:54] thanks jmarsden [02:54] and what's view localhost_resolver ? [02:55] because i was trying to run caching only server [02:55] but it seems im the only person in the netwok who can dig my self [02:56] I'm not sure... maybe a view that is just for the local machine? I've not used that one myself. You may need to read the "BIND 9 Administrator Reference Manual" for the full story. [02:56] do you know any good manuals [02:56] ok [02:56] i will google it [02:56] http://www.bind9.net/manuals [02:56] that one [02:57] Yes. See http://www.bind9.net/manual/bind/9.3.2/Bv9ARM.ch06.html#id2562349 for the part you probably need === system_V is now known as raiden === raiden is now known as raidy_NYC [03:05] thanks (K) [03:37] Need help configuring cifs to connect windows client to ubuntu server..have review man samba and other sites but have questions? [04:20] hi can someone tell me a good monitor for my server??? [04:23] jaypur_mb: What are you hoping to monitor exactly? nagios3 is one general purpose monitoring framework you could try. [04:24] jmarsden, i am kind of new at ubuntu-server, but i'm runnnig an open arena server, so i'd like to have a monitor that could monitor, lol, temperature, cpu, and internet badwith [04:24] bandwith * [04:25] You could set up nagios to do that, I think, although there will be some work involved in configuring it. [04:25] jmarsden, more work more learning... :D [04:25] Indeed :) [04:25] jmarsden, i've already set ssh [04:29] Two other packages to check out would be munin and (for checking services are still running, etc) monit [04:29] jmarsden, hmm to install nagios i think i'll need to get mysql on and... apache maybe... [04:30] Apache yes, mysql no. sudo apt-get nagios3 nagios-plugins-basic nagios-doc # should do the install for you. [04:32] if you can't run Apache on the server being monitored you could set up nagios on another machine and have the one you want to monitor send moitoring into to it using nrpe ... but if you are new to this that's a lot of learning! [04:33] jmarsden, yeah thats for sure! [04:33] jmarsden, so can i sudo apt-get from here, my laptop, and monitor my server without installing nothing??? [04:34] Not really. But you can install just a few things on the server and have the pretty web interface etc on your laptop (assuming the laptop is going to be connected 24x7... [04:34] aaah i got it... [04:35] but what i really need is, like my friend did... like a website, with all the stats of the server... [04:35] and i can access from anywhere... [04:35] Yes, so what machine will run that web server? Your laptop, or your main server, or some other machine? [04:35] It is your choice. [04:36] main server for sure [04:36] If your friend has already done this, why aren't you asking *him* for help setting it up?? [04:36] because, i think he is sleeping [04:36] and its like +5hours from here [04:36] :D [04:36] he helped me with ssh :D [04:37] :) And a few hours is too long to wait... long term it will be better to ask your friend, because then when you have questions he will know how to help you further... [04:37] yeah [04:37] But if you want to try installing nagios on the main server, go ahead and do the command I gave you earlier. [04:37] but jmarsden thanks a lot [04:37] Sure, no problem. [04:37] i really love all the ubuntu support [04:38] and i'm always helping my friends with my blog posts and at college [04:38] so i'll ask him later [04:38] thanks a lot [04:38] Me too... I'm just a Ubuntu user like you are. I've just been running Unix/Linux/Ubuntu for longer than you have :) [04:39] yeah, this year i'll make 1 year of linux [04:39] and i'm so proud of myself [04:39] It will be (I think) 17 years of Linux for me later this year :) [04:39] it's like, my life got better, and all the people i knew, all the things i did... made me a better person [04:40] jmarsden, congratulations man, i'm happy to talk to someone is that long on the linux world [04:41] Thanks :) [04:41] jmarsden, so you started using Linux in late 92? Wow! :) [04:41] i'd like to make some questions to you guys... [04:42] Yes, the first kernel arrived in late 1991... in late 1992 Linux fit onto two flopy disks... [04:42] because i tell i have a server at my house, but is it really "a server"? [04:42] Well, if it is running Ubuntu Server and it runs 24x7 and you use it to provide services to other people/other computers, then it's a server... [04:43] jmarsden, damn, so i have a real server... this is a dream come true for real... [04:43] :) [04:43] i'm in this "server" thing since 2005... studying and learning... [04:43] jmarsden, my first server was a counter-strike 1.6 dedicated from steam... [04:43] anybody can help me with a guide for samba and cifs? [04:44] and now on 2009 i've just set a ubuntu server dedicated... full time [04:45] Rafael_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba [04:46] jmarsden: i have read this but have some questions? [04:46] Rafael_: You can ask them and see who answers. I used samba years ago but am not at all up to date on the details of it now. [04:50] jmarsden: windwos computer store data on ubuntu server, i would like some folders to be able to access by everybody and some folder only by some users..i have read sama setup but can not understand who to do this users and groups? [04:53] Rafael_: Hmm, he left already? OK. [09:02] hi === foxbuntu` is now known as foxbuntu === Guest83126 is now known as whoa [10:20] Hey All. [10:20] I have two NIC's in the same machine, each configured to there own IP [10:20] when I ping one IP, I get act lights on the one nic [10:21] but when i ping the other IP I get act lights on the same nic?! [10:21] Am I correct in saying its routing all traffic through the first NIC for both IP's ? [10:26] Bullterd: Are both NICs plugged into the same switch, as well as the machine you're pinging from? [10:28] yep [10:33] What happens if you unplug the blinking one and ping again? [10:35] Ubuntu Server needs documentation on Nagios [10:36] I've installed the Nagios3 package, and only by searching other websites do I know that it has created its own directory link in apache. However, I do not know the default password to the 'nagiosadmin' htpasswd user, etc. [10:37] even the community documentation is dated to feisty [10:47] * tonyyarusso thinks proper documentation should be a requirement for acceptance into main [10:52] tonyyarusso: then you wouldn't have a kernel [10:52] hehe [10:58] can i use the default postfix restart script and put it in crontab? [11:39] hello there you all [11:39] what are some good web based / or other gui interfaces to administer our ubuntu servers? [11:41] it would be for print / file share, and one web server... [11:42] would webmin , or ebox be any good, or are there better options? [11:44] any one , who has some expirience with this? [11:45] webmin [11:45] im using it for a couple of years [11:46] ok, seems like the best option, have you also worked with ebox? [11:46] is it any good? [11:47] dunno what is ebox [11:47] whats that :D [11:47] hehe [11:47] game console? [11:47] sorry im a beat ancient in technology [11:48] http://www.desktoplinux.com/files/misc/ebox_components.jpg [11:48] here you see an screenshot [11:48] its basicly also an web based gui frontend for configuring your server [11:48] ah i see [11:49] well i havent seen that :D webmin is easy "for me" [11:49] i am just trying to find the easiest one to use, since i am really a beginner in this [11:49] hahaha its Xbox im thinking [11:49] that is running an ubuntu webserver.. [11:50] im using a desktop version for server [11:50] im a newbie too [11:50] xbox for administering your webserver, now that would bring great joy to the ict workers...:P [11:50] you can also in webmin [11:51] jmazaredo: webmin is not supported on Ubuntu [11:51] adding virtual websites [11:51] really? [11:51] webmin is basically like syphlis. It breaks everything, and encourages you to force it on others. [11:51] twb is ebox supported? [11:51] yellabs: theoretically. [11:51] maybe it breaks some [11:51] or maybe i should ask, what web based gui might i use with ubuntu server? [11:51] all breaks [11:52] nothing is perfect [11:52] :D [11:52] Indeed; unfortunately AFAICT all web-based administrative tools for GNU/Linux systems are abysmal monstrosities that will shit all over your system. [11:52] But AIUI ebox is what Ubuntu recommends [11:53] did you ever see clarkconnect? [11:53] if you use gui the %tage of break is up [11:53] it has a very decent gui for the server admin [11:53] yellabs: isn't that a router distro? [11:53] It's logo is a thin upright triangle with a dot over it, or something [11:54] ya saw clarkconnet [11:54] it say's Provides core server applications [11:54] - mail, web, VPN, backup, file and print services... [11:55] havent tried it though ubuntu also provide that [11:55] im a newbie i don't know if this is a good advise to use the gnome for server since in takes up memory [11:56] uses dashboard as gui frontend [11:56] but afcause i am looking for something that works with ubuntu 9.04 server [11:57] thats the point [11:57] jmazaredo: whereas PHP takes up marshmallows? [11:58] dunno where php got its mallows :D [11:58] so i thought , lets ask the professionals [11:58] :) [11:59] "professionals" being the people you find in IRC on a Sunday? [11:59] im no pro [11:59] I'd have thought that was "execrable losers" [11:59] im a newbie [12:00] just another guy in the neigboorhod [12:00] FWIW I'm paid to babysit CentOS and Ubuntu servers, and unfortunately most of them have webmin installed. [12:00] hmm, you are right, sunday is not a good day for this [12:01] I know enough about webmin to STRONGLY urge you to stay well away from it. [12:01] got your point [12:01] yes, but whats the alternetive, [12:01] :D [12:01] Other web admin interfaces I have not studied so closely, but my impression is that they're all sucky. [12:01] hmm, so back to the bash eh? [12:02] no [12:02] To the point where what I have recommended we give to customers is Xvnc exporting a single-app session running the gnome-server-tools dialogues. [12:02] And if they need anything more complex, they can call us to do it from the CLI. [12:02] Unfortunately management wasn't too keen on that plan. [12:03] (Oh, and gnome-system-tools is shit. But it's a different level of shit, IMO.) [12:03] i hope not that the end of this story would be to recommend windows server 2003... [12:04] Nah, the end of the story is "suck it up, twb. You *will* install webmin, though I agree it's shit." [12:04] But for me still learning things. How twb learned the shit on webmin? you checked, from time to time he learned that its a shit [12:05] !webmin [12:05] webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system. See !ebox instead. [12:05] !ebox [12:05] ebox is a web-based GUI interface for administering a server. It is designed to work with Ubuntu/Debian style configuration management. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/eBox [12:05] ah , now thats clear info [12:05] jmazaredo: for example, the webmin package has over one hundred errors that are *automatically* detected by the quality assurance tools. Of those, three are severe. [12:05] :) [12:06] Webmin modules are of varying quality, but it's typical for them to simply delete comments or configuration they don't understand. [12:06] they have their own world :D [12:07] And while not on the same scale, it pisses me off that the default webmin interface shows *all* modules -- even the ones not applicable to the current system. [12:07] yep correct at that [12:07] all modules har har har [12:08] i thank webmin for today [12:08] Those modules whose source I have inspected also had about as many security holes as a PHP app [12:08] any thoughts on ebox then? [12:08] Oh, and webmin will by default listen to all interfaces and accept password-based authentication, so if you put it on a gateway server without knowing that, you'll get cracked quickly. [12:09] Most Debian services will only listen to localhost by default. [12:09] yellabs: I haven't tried it, personally, but I heard that it was badly broken in 8.10 (and 8.04?), though it may be OK in 9.04. [12:10] hmm, okey [12:10] all is broken :D [12:10] can i install virtual machine host on a normal machine ? without kvm extensions in the processor... [12:12] hmm, never mind, i am installing it already , we will see if its possible.. [12:14] Hi can anyone help me, I've set up a working postfix etc setup, but I cant for the life of me get SPAM to be sent through to the client (not deleted/dropped) and to show the X-SPAM-STATUS header in emails.. thx ! [12:16] u using rbls? [12:17] well i don't really understand the question :) [12:18] jmazaredo: you asking me? [12:19] ya [12:19] oh [12:19] :( [12:20] there's someone alive at #postfix [12:20] well gtg [12:20] I'm just running a standard ubuntu with postfix + av/anti-spam etc.. but I dont know how to set it so spamassassin doesn't delete spam, just to forward it on to the mailbox and set X-spam-status flag to yes [12:21] check spam assassin [12:24] maybe this will help http://www.debuntu.org/postfix-and-pamassassin-how-to-filter-spam [13:41] hello im building a webbased control panel but am stuck when it comes to executing root commands [13:41] can someone help [14:09] hi all... is there a way to get a karmic vm using vmbuilder? [14:09] i'd like to try karmic, but without screwing up my system ;) [15:10] anyone here set up red5 on ubuntu? [16:29] How do I check what's listening on a port? [16:31] I used netstat -a and I see this tcp 0 0 localhost:smtp *:* LISTEN [16:32] I have no idea what app that is though [16:33] MTecknology: sudo netstat -ntlp # will show you the process that is doing the listening [16:33] thanks :) [16:33] No problem. [16:35] MTecknology: Note that it is listening only on localhost, so there is no network security risk from that. [16:37] jmarsden: I'm trying to figure out why mail isn't being sent through it [16:37] http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d5558db03 [16:38] well, it seems there is outbound mail in your mail queue, so the listening part is not the issue. [16:38] It listened well enough to accept that mail and queue it up. [16:39] can I flush the queue at all? [16:39] I'm not at all knowledgeabel about exim, but you'll want to ask it to try those delivery attempts to your smarthost (you did configure a suitable smarthost, right?) with some level of debug turned on and see why it is not delivering them, I think. [16:40] http://wiki.exim.org/TroubleShooting # may be handy [16:41] exim can send the mail, right? [16:41] Yes, it will once it is set up correctly -- looks to me like there is soemthing you did not configure quite right yet. [16:42] I'll run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config [16:42] mail sent by smarthost; no local mail [16:44] IP address or host name of the outgoing smarthost: [16:44] I bet I did that wrong [16:44] What should it be? localhost? [16:45] No :) The smarthost, the remote machine that you have permission to send out your email through. A mailserver out there on the Internet somewhere... your ISPs mailserver, perhaps. [16:46] would smtp.gmail.com work if that's it's final destination? [16:46] I thought exim could send the mail out itseld [16:46] itself* [16:47] It can... you chose to use a smarthost... so it needs to have one... why di dyou choose to use a smarthost if you don't knwo what a smarthost is?? [16:47] because I apparently didn't read the first option in the list [16:48] :) OK! [16:49] lol... exim is REALLY happy now [16:50] and now messages from 3 days ago arrive [16:51] :) [16:51] thanks :) [16:51] No problem. [17:43] have 5 windows computer and ubuntu server, i want all of them to be able to access for example Folder A, only 2 of them to see folder B, only 1 of them to be able to write and read Folder A..how do id o all this groups and users..i am confuse..also i see that the way to go now is cisf compare to smb..were can i find help for this? [17:54] Is there a program that can create a customized ubuntu install CD with the packages that I want and some commands automatically executed? I need to have a non-interactive install CD that I can just copy 50 times, shove one in each new server that I get and when the server boots it will automatically install ubuntu, reboot and leave the server ready to run... [17:57] phoenixz: isn't that possible installing over a network? [17:58] steffan: yeah, looking into PXE booting now actually.. [17:59] Hello, I need to install inetd on a 8.10 server to share a scanner over the network. Anyone know if by installing inetd would create problems on already running apps, like vmware? [17:59] victorbrca: AFAIK, it should not cause a problem.. just for curiosity.. sharinng a scanner over the network, how would you do that? [18:00] phoenixz: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo [18:00] victorbrca: Im asking because at or office, we have one of those all in one printer scanner copiers.. Its connected directly to the network.. I can print to the thing but scanning, no way.. [18:00] thanks! [18:01] phoenixz: I was thinking about buying an HP and use HPLIP to share printer and scaner, but looks like HPLIP does not support scanning over the net. [18:01] victorbrca: this thing is also an HP [18:02] phoenixz: I'm waiting for a reply from them to be sure before I buy it... [18:02] phoenixz: https://answers.launchpad.net/hplip/+question/73447 [18:02] phoenixz: But for now I'm going to try and share a canon scanner that I already have [18:04] /4/7 [18:05] steffan: would it be possible to have a "virgin" server (no os yet) boot from PXE and have it automatically download and execute an ubuntu installer? [18:07] phoenixz: PXE can boot using a network interface, I'm not sure about grabbing the installer from elsewhere and installing though [18:07] phoenixz: That's probably not a question for #ubuntu-server, try looking at some PXE support groups [18:08] phoenixz: I don't have much experience with automating installations (but it is possible as far as I know), I only have experience with network installations [18:08] steffan: well, it is related to ubuntu-server since thats what needs to be installed.. :) the PXE part is not a problem [18:09] phoenixz: You're asking that PXE automatically downloads and executes a Ubuntu installer, correct? If so, that's nothing to do with #ubuntu-server, it's a query on PXE's regard [18:09] steffan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation#Server%20and%20network%20installations I think this is it.. [18:09] phoenixz: If PXE can do that, then I'm sure it is possible [18:11] phoenixz: Your probably looking for https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet. It might be worth looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet#Pile%20of%20PXE%20related%20links too. [18:12] steffan: thanks! [18:50] anyone know how i can set a certain shell user to only download so much and then his account is automatically stoped for over the limit of d/l? [19:18] hi, i opened all the ports to apache and ssh, but people outsite my network cant acess... [19:19] any ideia? [20:00] Hey All [20:00] My server keep loosing internet connectivity [20:01] if i ping it, i get about 10 good pings, then it drops out for 30 second [20:01] then back available again [20:01] would this suggest hardware driver issues ? [20:01] Bullterd: driver, modem failure, switch failure, lots of things are potential causes [20:03] Can anyone recommend a gigabit PCI NIC that's uber ubuntu compatable ? [20:03] intel NICs work nicely [20:03] intel pro ? [20:03] anything using a solid intel chipset [20:03] http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Intel-PRO-1000-MT-Desktop-Adaptor-PWLA8390MTBLK20_W0QQitemZ110347822644QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_Networking_SM?hash=item19b13e2634&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A15|66%3A2|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50 [20:03] ? [20:04] sure [20:04] * Nafallo 've'd good success with 3Coms in the past. [20:04] I got some cheap ass ones at the mo [20:04] hoping thats the cause of my network issues full stop [20:06] I wouldn't presume that that's the cause [20:06] unless you swap out the NIC and it stops [20:06] you don't have a spare nic of a different chipset around to test? [20:06] not gig unfortunatly [20:06] why do you need gig to TEST? [20:07] 1080p doesnt stream so well over 100mb :p [20:07] this is a test ... [20:07] who cares if something streams ... [20:07] you're testing if the nic/driver is the cause [20:07] period [20:10] true. [20:10] Also [20:10] When i boot the machine it hangs on "Loading Hardware Drivers" for like, 30 seconds [20:10] and then randomly after a few reboots it decided to rename eth1 to eth1_rename [20:11] would that also point to hardware / software incompatability ? [20:16] phoenixz: got the scanner working... but it took me a while. [20:20] Bullterd: has this problem always been with you? [20:22] Yeah [20:24] can anyone tell me if you setup a cronjob, and the process is already running when the cronjob runs will it restart the process or check if its already running ? [20:25] Bullterd: what release are you using? [20:26] im not yey [20:26] yet [20:26] 8.10 x64 [20:26] its just a questin i have [20:26] 8.04 [20:26] server ed [20:27] Bullterd: do you have multiple network cards? [20:27] no [20:28] NativeAngels: can't you see that i'm not pre-pending your name to my comments? [20:29] hmm. [20:29] So I swapped NIC's [20:29] been streaming and pinging, no loss so far [20:30] Bullterd: i was going to suggest you to rename /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and reboot. it may not be the card itself [20:30] NativeAngels: The cron job will run even if the previous instance of it is still running... if course you can check for that in the script that is being run by cron and take whateevr action you desire... [20:30] rename to .bak and have it be re-created [20:31] pmatulis: Its the fact it hangs for about 30 secs on "Loading Hardware Drivers" at startup. [20:31] Together with the random interface renames [20:31] and constant packet loss / loosing IP connectivity [20:31] Bullterd: yes, i know [20:31] I mean, that sounds like hardware / software issues with the NIC, right ? [20:31] Bullterd: not necessarily [20:32] what about the fact it works perfectly with a replacment nic ? [20:32] Bullterd: yes, it's still possible b/c the udev rule file sucks in MAC addresses (hardware related) [20:33] Bullterd: you may want to try my suggestion, at least just out of curiosity [20:34] so, put the old NIC back in, boot, rename that file, reboot ? [20:34] yeah [20:34] kk [21:19] hi [21:22] ubuntu-9.04 server + HPT370 = love ? [21:39] can anybody help setting up home server accessible through WAN ip [21:41] hello there [21:44] bhajankirtan: That's a very broad topic. Generally it's better to ask specific questions. [21:47] It's not difficult [21:47] how do i compile in mod_userdir into apache on ubuntu ? [21:49] quizme: Why would you want to do that? [21:49] so that i can use it [21:50] i m totally new to linux server [21:50] i want to setup my home server which i can access it outside of home network [21:50] quizme: Just enable the module. No need to compile anything. [21:50] is there any site for how to [21:50] quizme: sudo a2enmd userdir [21:51] quizme: IIRC [21:51] I believe userdir is enabled by default [21:51] setup my home server [21:51] ajmitch: Might very well be. [21:51] hm, looks like I'm wrong, it's not enabled on this recent install :) [22:05] New bug: #384607 in bacula (universe) "bacula did not accept my password during installation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/384607 [22:06] soren: got it thank you. [22:10] anybody can help me or give the link to setting up home server accessible from outside network [22:11] New bug: #384609 in samba (main) "package winbind 2:3.3.2-1ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/384609 [22:15] soren: http://pastie.org/503911 [22:17] quizme: Look in /var/log/apache/error.log [22:27] I can't limit port 80 on Shaper/CBQ... could anyone help-me? [22:29] could anyone help me with shaper? [22:29] "CBQ" [22:30] mod_userdir is not compatible with mod_rails, which my server depends on. Is there another module like mod_userdir that will allow me to access some web files via my ip address? [22:48] Hi, ... I am trying to erase disks from the Ubuntu Server CD in the prompt. [22:48] How can I do this. [22:48] I tried Code: "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=4k conv=notrunc" [22:49] But nothing is happening. Any ideas? Please [22:53] Alex_21: install wipe for proper removal of data [22:54] Remember I am on the CD, ... I haven't installed yet [22:54] How can I install then? [22:54] Also, ... I just want to wipe out enough to prevent the installer seeing the disks as the RAID aray they once were [22:54] Please [22:55] ah. dd should work then. [22:55] So my command Code: "# dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=4k conv=notrunc" is still nagning. Is this normal [22:55] Or am I doing something wrong [22:57] I eman what is DD doing? [22:58] Is it writing zero's to my drive? I am trying to clean the drive that is 320 GB. How long should this take? [23:01] Alex_21: depends on the speed of the disk really. [23:01] It is a Sata drive [23:01] But roughly how long? [23:02] hours. [23:02] Ok [23:02] Thanks [23:03] That is a relief. [23:03] I have two disks. Do they automatically show up as sda and sdb? [23:03] They are the only ones in the machine [23:03] Besides a sata CD/DVD drive [23:25] It's working I think [23:26] So I'll be back. But one more question. I am setting up a raid aray with RAID1 and two disks. Do I have toset the bootable flag to true if this disk is to be the startup disk? [23:26] Please [23:26] I'll stay untile i get this response [23:32] can someone help me out here? [23:32] billybigrigger: you know the drill, ask and see. [23:32]