[00:12] i am installing xbuntu on old inpirion. it stuck at 'configuring apt', 'scanning the mirror'. any ideas? [00:14] how old is the box? [00:32] how to switch keyboard layout from terminal? setxkbmap works but arrow keys and others stops working when i run 'setxkbmap -rules xorg -model pc105 -layout us'. === anom01y is now known as Loren [02:45] hi [02:45] I recently installed xubuntu 9.04 to my computer. [02:46] for some reason the sound gets messed up when I reboot or go into hibernate. [02:46] not sure if it should be running Alsa or OSS for the main driver, but it is on OSS, and the volume is very weak so I can hardly hear anything.. [02:48] what sound card? [02:48] MalfermitaKodo, is the onboard sound card via 82xx or something [02:48] I noticed this just recently happened when I tried to play a youtube video [02:49] can you do an lspci [02:50] http://pastebin.ca/1450275 [02:50] MalfermitaKodo, sorry for the hold up [02:51] only a question of hors [02:51] *hours [02:51] * MalfermitaKodo is dist-upgrading a s***box [02:51] yeah lol hopefully its an easy fix [02:52] how to remove the top bar from xterm? [02:53] use compiz fusion owen1 [02:53] lol [02:53] overkill solution if you don't have it already [02:53] other than that I don't know [02:53] okay, FF crashed [02:54] MalfermitaKodo, yours did ? [02:54] I think other WMs can remove the title bar as well [02:54] yes [02:54] err no [02:54] it was just slow [02:54] Did I mention that this box is a s***box already? [02:55] ahh .. I use an extension called "fasterfox", but you need "nightlytestertools" to use it. [02:55] MalfermitaKodo, what are you running on ? [02:55] a netbook [02:55] also: nightlytestertools = nightly tester tools [02:56] MalfermitaKodo, I just recently cleaned the cooling system on a 5 year old Sony Viao laptop [02:56] Audio device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT1708/A [Azalia HDAC] (VIA High Definition Audio Controller) (rev 10) <--- this is your soundcard [02:56] 3ghz cpu and 512 mhz ram, [02:57] the cpu went from running at 75-100% an average with only 1 program open (firefox) [02:57] to near 0% average load [02:57] hmm? [02:57] it shouldn't be the issue here... [02:58] its worth doing on old laptops, becuase some of them have a CPU clock speed regulator that decrease the freq. when the temperature increases [02:58] and also shuts off the computer if it gets too hot === sancas_ is now known as sancas [02:58] anyways thats regarding your computer. [02:59] I won't have that problem with mine I have a coolermaster tower lol [02:59] I am searching on whether your card is fully supported [02:59] ahh [02:59] well [02:59] it is only a question of BLOODY AGES! [02:59] Pardon my British [02:59] MalfermitaKodo, it was working 100% 10 minutes ago [02:59] and thats after being used for around 3 weeks solid [03:00] which is when I installed Xubuntu [03:01] it is messed up when rebooting as well? [03:01] I will check, one second. [03:09] MalfermitaKodo, [03:09] I just rebooted, and alsa was not in the list in the mixer [03:09] neither was my soundcard [03:09] eeeeeep [03:10] can you manually start Alsa [03:10] ie: is it a configuration effup or an alsa effup [03:10] I just ran "sudo alsa reload" in xterm [03:11] yes? [03:11] the mixer is the same as before [03:11] xfce4-mixer [03:11] doesnt show my soundcard [03:12] it shows any soundcard? [03:12] yeah it shows a realtekALC888 soundcard, [03:12] and did you get an error message? [03:12] that may be fore the tv tuner card I have [03:12] MalfermitaKodo, warnings [03:13] can you pastebin them? [03:14] http://pastebin.ca/1450287 [03:15] MalfermitaKodo, [03:18] I do not see that the correct module is being loaded [03:18] MalfermitaKodo, btw that file exists, oss-compat.. [03:19] well, yes, it tells you that it is deprecated [03:20] hmm what does that mean ? [03:20] outdated, won't work in future versions [03:21] MalfermitaKodo, so it doesnt use the old one ? [03:21] it probably does use it [03:21] could doing an update delete that working alsa that I already had ? [03:22] is it a package that I need to install ? [03:22] did you update your kernel and/or alsa? [03:22] well, I update all the time, and I recently upgraded to xfce 4.6.1, (from 4.6.0) [03:23] but that upgrade didn't break anything which was a week ago [03:23] Sorry, I think I can't help you atm [03:23] too late for Malfies [03:23] ok [03:23] well thanks for your help [03:23] anywhere I can start looking ? [03:24] or what I could try ? [03:24] I bet you if I installed my old xubuntu 9.04 cd from scratch my sound would work [03:24] until I upgrade [03:24] ahh well [03:24] you should google for your model and alsa [03:24] ok [03:24] thanks [03:49] anybody know how to enable the scroll wheel on my mouse? xev says nothing when I scroll on the box. I heard a fix for a ps2 mouse but this USB mouse will not work with that fix [03:50] also why does it require a password when I am opening gparted? [03:51] Installed after xubuntu because ps3 version does not come with it preinstalled [03:52] how do I hibernate my computer ? [03:52] thats another thing, my usb ports will not keep the power on when I sleep on my PC [03:56] anom01y when you select quit from the xfce menu hibernate should be an option. [03:57] I have no quit in the menu, just log out [03:59] for some reason my alsa completely died, nothing will restore it, [03:59] I've tried logging out, reinstalling alsa-base, [04:01] nm I got it [04:01] sorry [04:03] so no hibernate still? [04:03] what ver of xubu? [04:05] 8.04 I know how to fix that no quit problem but haven't figured it out on my 9.04 yet [04:06] Anybody know how to fix scroll wheel, password on gparted, or no power to usb while sleeping? [04:07] anom01y get hibernate working? [04:07] sml1226, no [04:08] what version of Xubuntu are you running? [04:08] I think it already automatically hibernates if I let it sit 5 minutes [04:08] 9.04 [04:09] I didn't thing you could set hibernate that fast [04:09] I thought minimum was like 30 mins [04:09] where is the settings for this ? [04:10] looking for it now [04:10] power settings [04:10] sml1226, [04:12] in power management if gives sleep timer option but I think there is a hibernate option also somewhere else [04:17] anom01y is xfce menu on your panel? [04:19] if not add it, if so right click and select properties then click the "Use default desktop menu file" radio button. Then open the menu and tell me if quit is on it. [04:27] sml1226, it is, but it doesnt show "quit", just "log out" [04:29] anom01y oh well duh log out is right. Click it and a menu should come up. Hibernate is an option if this works properly [04:30] I had my old menu in mind when saying it the first time, it said "Quit" and brought up that menu [04:30] is there a way to enable wireless on boot and not after i log in? [04:40] japnix, >> system > services should do it [04:46] scroll wheel fix anybody? [04:48] xorg.conf [04:49] ok so what do I edit in it to get a usb mouse to work? [04:52] it should work automatically, but xorg.conf should handle all that. [04:52] all my usb mice work just fine. [04:52] even my logitech ball mouse I just got. [04:55] after you plug in your usb mouse, restart or check #dmesg | tail to see if it's recognized. [05:01] Hi xubuntuistoj! [05:06] hey guys, is there a msrdp server i can run on xubuntu so i can connect using mstsc rather than vnc? [05:07] ron_o I have never had success with this mouse's wheel and linux. Do you know why gparted asks for a password while opening? [05:08] sml1226: because you are not root? [05:08] Just wondering which is newer P4 M or P M mobile cpu? [05:09] MalfermitaKodo It doesn't ask me on my pc but it does on my ps3 [05:10] how do you start it both times? [05:10] gparted needs root access and you can run a GUI with root with the command $gksu [05:10] open through the xfce menu in both of them [05:11] I added gparted after xubu was installed on my ps3 but it was preinstalled on my pc [05:17] weird [05:17] Talking about weird [05:18] know how to make it not ask me? [05:19] I had a perfectly good configuration of my trackball in 8.04... now after an upgrade and a reboot, it is gone, commented out in the xorg.conf and it says HAL would take care of it [05:19] for a password [05:19] sml1226: log in as root? [05:19] now? I do not want a homicidal AI to control my trackball! [05:20] I don't have to do that in 8.04 on my pc so why here? [05:21] you probably have to there as well, gksu just remembered your session [05:21] otherwise, file a bug [05:21] never had to do it there. devs of PS3 version are lazy! [05:22] So many bugs that are extremely common [05:22] Security conscious != lazy [05:23] Thunar did not work at all in 8.10 on any ps3, not just my crappy cds like I thought [05:23] * MalfermitaKodo passes out now [05:24] gn! [05:41] hfs+ format? how can I add compatibility for writing to that format? [05:43] and formatting to it [06:36] How to change list of buttons/options of the shutdown dialouge? Currently it offers hibernate/logout/shutdown/etc. but I want to remove hibernate... [06:51] where do I find the xfce4-session settings? [07:48] i lost my panels... suggestions for getting them back? [07:49] Salix_, app > system > login window? [07:51] pteague, right click desktop, apps > settings > panel [07:54] if i'm mostly using kde apps under xfce like konqueror & kate... & i can't even think of any gnome apps i'm using... on the session and startup -> advanced tab -> compatibility section ... should i make any changes to that? or is that in regards to gdm/kdm ? [07:56] if you are using kde apps i guess it might help to enable [07:57] likewise if you don't run any gnome apps maybe that could be disabled, although i don't think it really uses alot of resources [08:05] pteague: Alt-F2 and then xfce4-panel [08:06] MikeChelen: the login window does not allow to modify the loug out button preerences [08:06] MikeChelen: (at least I dont't know how) :-] [08:06] Salix_, what do you want to change about it? [08:06] How to change list of buttons/options of the shutdown dialouge? Currently it offers hibernate/logout/shutdown/etc. but I want to remove hibernate... [08:07] I think it is xfce4-session realted. Isn't it? [08:07] {:-. [08:08] oh hmm, im not sure how to change those buttons [08:08] in settings > power management it's possible to set the power button to cause suspend instead of hibernate [08:08] are you talking about in the panel? or the popup when you quit? [08:14] pteague: my problem is the popup when I quit; your solution is Alt-F2 and then typing xfce4-panel [08:15] if you are asking me... :-) [08:16] yeah, i got the xfce4-panel :) just couldn't remember what it was called... & i have a hard time remember alt+f2 - it's a memory fragment from windows & i've been running consecutive 0s & 1s over that part of my memory for a while ;) [08:19] geeze, i'm really hating kde4 crap & i currently don't have time to mess with trying to set up kde3 stuff [10:26] Hi xubuntuistoj [10:29] What in Tux's name is HAL and why should it be in charge of my system after the 2001 disaster? [10:30] !hal [10:30] For an informative description of the Hardware Abstraction Layer , go to this site : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_abstraction_layer [10:30] oh... I only remembered it from 2001 [10:31] :P [10:32] Seriously, when I saw in the new xorg.conf that things I need have been commented out and it says they are managed by HAL I freaked out [10:40] Shouldn't the link in that trigger go to HAL_(Software) ? [10:41] Yeah I guess that would be better, no idea how to do that though [10:46] okay, do you know where I can read up on HAL and make it fully support my trackball again? [10:51] Sorry, no idea [12:54] For foo's sake! [12:54] why does apt-get hold back the packages, I want NOT to be held back [12:56] and what can I do against that effing foo? [12:58] Is it possible to add gnome applets to the xfce bar? [13:07] Sorry, can anyone here help me to upgrade the kernel? it says that the old version of linux-generic is kept back [13:13] Hi, I'm trying to change the default terminal to gnome-terminal, and have done so with update-alternatives, but using a panel launcher with "Run in terminal" still starts in xfce4-terminal. Anyone able to help? [13:20] brodsta, see settings -> preferred applications -> tab "utilities" [13:20] Ah, thank you very much [13:26] Is it possible to add an applet written for gnome to the panel? [13:26] Araneidae, add xfapplet first and then add the gnome applet into it. [13:26] The applet I want to install doesn't appear in the "Add New Items" list, which is hardly surprising ... [13:27] xfapplet? Ok, I'll see what that is... [13:27] Aha! Thanks. [13:29] Oh, that's excellent. Really nice and simple [13:30] of course. [13:31] Do you if it's possible to tell xfce not to decorate a window of my choice? [13:32] I can see that apps can ask not to be decorated, but if the app doesn't ask I'd love to tell xfce: leave this one bare, please. [13:32] no, not window-specific. but you can run some apps without window borders (it's their feature then) [13:32] Yes, it's under the control of the app. [13:32] yeah. [13:32] So if the app doesn't offer the feature, I guess I'm out of luck :( [13:33] which apps are you talking about? [13:34] Well... hmm... actually, I'd *really* like to lose all my window decorations across the board (but then I'd need, at least, a "kill this window" button, and some way of tracking focus) [13:34] However, there's a game which doesn't run in the right place full screen, and runs windowed with decorations (UT2004) [13:34] the button is doable [13:35] do you run that under wine? [13:35] If I could run that undecorated (and I guess push the panel away while it's running) that would solve my problem there [13:35] or does it work ootb [13:35] No, that one is native [13:35] okay [13:35] why can't it run fullscreen? [13:35] Seems to have a problem full screen under NVIDIA -- worked ok with ATI, but alas I'm having to abandon ATI for now. [13:36] It plonks itself between my two monitors [13:36] a-ha! [13:36] Stupid thing. [13:36] you can disable the other monitor while playing the game [13:36] and that way you could play it fullscreen [13:36] is that a bad solution? [13:37] Ah. That's a thought. [13:37] at least it would work. [13:37] I suppose I'd have to do that through the nvidia control panel? [13:37] yes, through nvidia-settings [13:37] but you can add a mode with those settings there and just switch [13:37] Cool. Is that pretty easy? (`nvidia-settings --help` looks pretty detailed) [13:37] Think that would solve that problem [13:37] run the app with sudo and look at the gui ;) [13:38] hmm, i'm not actually sure if it gives you possibility to save modes anymore [13:39] but anyway, just go to the second item and disable your other screen [13:39] "resolution: off" === nick is now known as Guest57943 [13:39] Cheers! I'll try that [13:40] np [14:20] hi [14:21] !hi | Madcyclist [14:21] Madcyclist: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! [14:22] cheers, i'm new to Ubuntu, looking for some assistance :-D [14:22] if you need help with Ubuntu, not Xubuntu, i suggest you should also look at #ubuntu [14:22] ok tah I'll try there then, thanks [14:22] though they have a lot in common so free to ask here as well. [14:22] but there's more people available there [14:23] i'll give it a go then, i've installed Adobe Air but unable to install TweetDeck [14:26] nevermind knome, I'll give #ubuntu a go [14:29] ive upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04 and the system freezes during boot.... [14:29] ive restarted and selected the older kernel and it boots properly.... [14:30] any suggestions? [14:30] Graphics card trouble, do you think? Could be [14:31] i doubt graphix [14:31] the progress bar only gets maybe 1/5th of the way across b4 it freezes [14:32] Ah, that's not too promising. [14:32] and wouldnt graphix fail with the older kernel as well? [14:32] If you could turn the console output on perhaps that would tell you something useful [14:33] there is a log file somewhere... [14:33] just dont know where and which one =\ [14:42] well...the only difference (that i can tell) is the kernel version.... [14:43] 2.6.27-14 boots, 2.6.28-11 does not [14:43] and i cant find any log files that refence the .28-11 kernel to see where it fails [14:57] how do i know if compiz enabled? [14:58] do you have the special effects? [15:02] nope [15:04] did you install compiz? [15:06] rgnr, If you don't think compiz is running, it probably isn't. However, if you're wanting to know for sure then you could use a command like pidof. For example, if compiz is running then 'pidof compiz.real' will probably write out a number. If it isn't, then it'll write out nothing. [15:07] rgnr, You can also just open the system monitor from Applications > System and look in the "Processes" tab. [15:08] \0. cody-somerville [15:08] Hi vidd :) [15:08] did you see my ? earlier? [15:08] 10x cody-somerville [15:08] vidd, Must not have. What was your was question? [15:09] i upgraded from 8.10-9.04, and the new kernel freezes, the old works fine [15:09] so i have to select the old kernel in grub to boot [15:11] when i did a clean install on that machine, it also freezes [15:15] any suggestion? [15:19] vidd, What kernel do you have installed for 9.04? [15:19] ie. what variant, what version exactly, etc. [15:19] 2.6.28-11 [15:19] generic 32 bit [15:20] vidd, Do you want to be adventurous and see if maybe Karmic will boot? [15:20] hehe...funny you should say that....im upgrading now =] [15:21] i figured it cant HURT any [15:21] i see karmic is using kernel 2.6.30 [15:22] The font size of the menu of one application (Thunderbird) is smaller than the font size set generally... Anything to check? [15:22] but i cant file a bug if i can find the logs showing the failure [15:23] S0210, you might want to check the settings of that app [15:23] vidd: I did [15:23] vidd: Could find the reason [15:24] but most apps get the font size of thier menu system from the underlying stsem....so its probably just an optical illution [15:24] ? [15:24] vidd: How do I make sure that Thunderbird does get the font size from the underlying system? [15:25] thunderbird's menu font size is set by your desktop manager...not thunderbird [15:26] vidd: what does it mean? should I take a picture to show that the font size of Firefox and Thunderbird are different? [15:26] S0210, if you change the font size in your system, you should see a corilating change in thunderbird [15:27] firefox has a setting that will allow you to customize it to NOT use the settings from your desktop [15:27] S0210, it is rude to PM someone without asking permission [15:28] and I dont have the bandwith or the system resources to RD anywhere [15:29] vidd: sorry vidd, I didn't mean to hurt you with my PM [15:29] vidd: OK [15:29] you didnt hurt me any [15:29] just a frendly head's up [15:31] S0210, did you change your system settings to see if thunderbird changed as well? [15:31] vidd: strange anyway because firefox font size changes immediately as I change the font size of the underlying system [15:31] and thunderbird? [15:32] vidd: actually Thunderbird also changes.. {:-/ [15:32] vidd: but ff->12->14 tb->10->12 [15:32] vidd: I1m not sure about the px but something like that [15:33] S0210, you sure its not just an optical illusion? [15:33] vidd: yes [15:34] and how does thunderbird compare to....say...xchat? [15:36] vidd: "The font size of the menu of one application (Thunderbird) is smaller than the font size set generally" as I wrote in my first msg. [15:37] vidd: so in short Thunderbird fonts are smaller [15:37] i think its the same size, it just seams smaller [15:38] since you can over-ride the system settings in firefox and not thunderbird.... [15:38] vidd: don't ask me again if it is and illusion because that would be really rude! [15:38] if the sizes there are different, its because firefox is modified, not thunderbird [15:39] i asked you to preform a simple test, and you implied i had no clue what i was doing [15:40] short of having you do a screen shot and measuring the pixels in gimp [15:40] actually....thats not a bad idea [15:41] vidd: my I PM you to find a way of showing you a picture? [15:41] may [15:41] no.... [15:42] vidd: would you please suggest me a way to show you the picture? [15:42] but post the pic on a site and post the link here [15:42] !picture [15:42] Sorry, I don't know anything about picture [15:42] hey knome where do you paste pics? [15:44] vidd: http://157.181.67.225/salix/xxx.png [15:46] S0210, dunno...the lines on the panels seem to line up perfectly to me =\ [15:47] vidd: take ruler [15:47] a [15:48] the letters on firefox are bold print, and the ones on thunderbird are not bold... [15:48] so the spacing is different [15:49] but the size of the menu bar looks identical on this POS monitor with this junk display adaptor im using [15:49] vidd: hmm... [15:50] do you see that the menu bar on both apps are the same size (if you ignore the letters) [15:51] vidd: I think I see what you mean [15:51] if the menu bars are the same size, then they are using the same font-size [15:52] vidd: but aren't the menu size is based on the size of the letters? {:-. [15:52] yes...exactly [15:52] vidd: but the letters are definately not the same size [15:53] vidd: I think I have to give it up now... by daugthers are here. Thanks for the effort... [15:53] one is bold brint (looks bigger) and one is not (looks smaller) [15:55] vidd: I don't think so... I have to go now. Thanks again! [15:56] bye [15:56] damit! [15:57] all he needs to do is add "!important" to one line in his thunderbird config file [16:26] can xfce give a preview of the image as the icon on the desktop like in gnome? [16:30] I don't think it can [16:30] ok me either just wondering [16:30] Gnome is too slow but that is 1 thing I like about it [16:31] (on my machine) [17:11] Hi [17:11] * MalfermitaKodo seriously effed up her system :/ [17:16] MalfermitaKodo, whats wrong with it? :( [17:17] I upgraded her from 8.04 to 9.04 to hope that the internal mic would work. Now the trackball does no longer work well, the network is sporadic and still no internal mic [17:19] did you do a direct upgrade form 8.04 - 9.04, or did you upgrade from 8.04-8.10-9.04? [17:19] the latter [17:19] MalfermitaKodo, Are you sure the upgrade is 100% complete? [17:19] ie. There isn't any unconfigured/broken packages, packages held back, etc. ? [17:20] it said that it is finshed and wanted to reboot, three packages were held back but I delt with them [17:20] *dealt [17:22] the trackball issue stems from HAL. But I have no idea how to give HAL the options, I gave Xorg [17:23] MalfermitaKodo, try this: [17:23] wait...i lost the link.... [17:23] basically, tell apt to re-install hal; [17:24] 7me has to deal with grub atm [17:25] MalfermitaKodo, What kind of trackball do you have? [17:25] MalfermitaKodo, how so with "taking care of grub"? [17:26] apt-get --reinstall install hal [17:27] vidd: it boots a hackish kernel I needed for 8.04 per default [17:27] MalfermitaKodo, and b4 you start yanking kernels from grub, try re-booting into the older version of the kernel to see if that brings the trackball back [17:28] MalfermitaKodo, so you haked the kernel for 8.04 to work....did you make the same "hacks" to the 9.04 kernel? [17:29] no, it actually booted [17:30] after one upgrade in 8.04 it no longer did, thus keeping me at version $ancient [17:30] try booting your old hacked kernel.... [17:30] see if your stuff works [17:31] didn't [17:31] the new one actually works better [17:32] so even booting into the old kernel (with the old drivers etc still intact) the stuff stopped working? [17:34] is xarchiver just an xfce modded xarchive? What is the difference between the two very similar apps "xarchive" and "xarchiver"? [17:35] yeah, because if fooed up madwifi [17:35] brb, edited the menu.lst, need to test it [17:43] reeeeee [17:43] okay, this kernel sees my wireless network [17:44] hi all.linux noob here.i just instaled xubuntu hh.i installed drivers, updated the system and everything is ok except there is no sound.i have to sound cards on bord some integrated crap and sound blaster live.i get the impresion that everything is good in alsamixer.what can be wrong? [17:44] vidd: I got the message 'Reinstallation of hal is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.' [17:46] handjob, What version of Xubuntu did you install? [17:46]