[00:06] <_Groo_> seeya ppl
[02:10]  * ScottK mentions to JontheEchidna that REVU is back up.
[05:35] <harolddong> I just installed the latest updates that just came through and now my desktop is gone.  just background just the checkerboard thing... and no listing for  wallpaper in desktop settings
[05:36] <harolddong> is there more stuff coming shortly or did something break?
[07:08] <\sh> Mamarok: happy birthday my dear :)
[07:08] <\sh> and moins to all :)
[08:05] <Mamarok> \sh: thanks a lot :)
[08:12] <\sh> Mamarok: hope your are celebrating this day with a big party :) And hopefully Markey didn't forget this special day :)
[08:14] <ScottK> Looks like upstream plans policykit integration with systemsettings for KDE 4.4, so I think we ought to defer that to Karmic +1.
[08:21] <\sh> karmic+1 == new LTS, right? ;)
[11:02] <Riddell> topicdiff: elections over
[13:12] <OdyX> Hi, Debian kdesudo maintainer speaking - Could someone from the kdesudo developement team look into https://bugs.launchpad.net/kdesudo/+bug/365956 (Debian #525292) ? It is a big blocker for Debian actually…
[13:14] <Nightrose> OdyX: i think that would be tonio who isn't here right now but not sure
[13:15] <OdyX> Nightrose: I know Tonio_ and he promised me "rapid" action some weeks ago (no offence intended), just looking for other eyes maybe ;)
[13:15] <Nightrose> ah ok
[13:17] <OdyX> I just don't know kdesudo's code enough to get down to real bugfixing
[13:18] <JontheEchidna> tonio basically is all of upstream for kdesudo. I don't think anybody really ever does any coding on it except him
[13:19] <OdyX> JontheEchidna: OK - I'll just push him more then :)
[13:19] <JontheEchidna> He was travelling quite a bit a few weeks ago, so a gentle reminder would probably be good :)
[13:20] <milian> is there a ppa for kde 4.3 betas (on 9.04)
[13:22] <OdyX> JontheEchidna: I'll wait for him to IRC again… Debian is not in any stress actually, so that bugfixing is not an emergency (yet)…
[13:49] <agateau> hey, what's the status with regards to the network plasmoid sru?
[13:50] <agateau> seems like people are getting a bit tired of waiting :/ (see #339313)
[14:14] <Riddell> agateau: I don't really know what to do about it, bug 334052  and bug 330811 are the ones we were tracking and the update doesn't seem to have helped many people there
[14:31] <jussi01> Hrm, seems as if theres a bit of an issue with plasma after last PPA update (experimental) - no wallpapers, just a black and grey square pattern. anyone else seen this? JontheEchidna?
[14:33] <JontheEchidna> I'm on karmic, so no
[14:33] <agateau> Riddell: oh :(
[14:33] <JontheEchidna> not all of the packages are built yet
[14:34] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: ahh, that would explain it
[14:34] <JontheEchidna> workin' on it
[14:34] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: thanks, can you let me know when they are done?
[14:34] <JontheEchidna> sure
[14:35] <jussi01> thanks, much appreciated.
[14:48] <Riddell> Tonio_: OdyX was after you
[14:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes I think I know why....
[14:49] <Tonio_> I'm on vacations right now, with my family.... I'll ping him later ;) thanks for letting me know
[15:21] <OdyX> Riddell: thanks for pinging Tonio_
[15:22] <Tonio_> OdyX: ;)
[15:31] <rgreening> Tonio_: :)
[15:31] <Tonio_> rgreening: hey ;)
[15:31] <rgreening> Tonio_: fyi: http://cia.vc/stats/project/usb-creator
[15:32] <rgreening> Tonio_: the new branch has a lot of changes from the old one.
[15:33] <rgreening> So I am having to do a lot of work... A LOT!
[15:33] <rgreening> :}
[15:33] <JontheEchidna> is that mainline usb-creator?
[15:33] <JontheEchidna> nice
[15:33] <rgreening> yeah JontheEchidna, Im working on the KDE front-end
[15:33] <rgreening> want to help JontheEchidna
[15:33] <rgreening> :)
[15:34] <JontheEchidna> perhaps once I get 4.3 b2 all wrapped up for jaunty
[15:34] <JontheEchidna> what needs done?
[15:34] <Tonio_> rgreening: ah :/
[15:34] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: convert the gtk_frontend.py into a kde_frontend.py
[15:34] <rgreening> the usb-creator-kde launcher already works.
[15:35] <rgreening> ui is designed
[15:35] <rgreening> kde_frontend.py is partially written/working...
[15:35] <rgreening> needs love
[15:35] <rgreening> lots
[15:35] <Tonio_> rgreening: isn't it easier to just take the .ui file and rewrite everything from scratch on the base of the gtk code ?
[15:36] <rgreening> Tonio_: ? I think thats what I am doing
[15:36] <rgreening> :)
[15:37] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: wanna make a bzr branch for kubuntu-members so that we can both push?
[15:37] <rgreening> it's in bzr, under my lp
[15:37] <Tonio_> rgreening: :)
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> but I can't push to your lp v.v
[15:39] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: if I subscribe you, are you able?
[15:39] <rgreening> https://code.launchpad.net/~roderick-greening/usb-creator/kde-frontend
[15:39] <JontheEchidna> lemme check
[15:39] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: whats yer lp?
[15:40] <JontheEchidna> ~echidnaman
[15:42] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: added...
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> doesn't seem to give me upload permissions
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> I do have some thoughts on the whole "kdesudo to relaunch" thing
[15:44] <rgreening> ok, how do I change this to go to kubuntu-members
[15:45] <JontheEchidna> good question
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> Is usb-creator going to be primairly launched from the menu?
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> If so, you can set the .desktop file to make KDE ask for the password without you having to code anything
[15:46] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: possibly...
[15:46] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: the right way would be to force policykit
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> and then you can just just make a "run me as root" kmessagebox if somebody runs if from konsole
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> yeah, policykit would be the best solution
[15:48] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I think I did something wrong.. Look at https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/usb-creator/kde-frontend
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> nothign jumps out to me as being wrong
[15:49] <rgreening> do you see a "get this branch link"
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> Get this branch:  	 bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-members/usb-creator/kde-frontend
[15:50] <rgreening> nm.. took a while to update
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> Update this branch: 	bzr push lp:~kubuntu-members/usb-creator/kde-frontend
[15:50] <rgreening> cool
[15:50] <rgreening> okies, there you go. update a way. If you can get policykit, I'll continue to hack the rest
[15:50] <rgreening> :)
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> :)
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> this'll be an adventure
[15:50] <rgreening> yay
[15:51] <rgreening> and if you can get policykit figured out, the gtk fe can use too
[15:51] <rgreening> I have been trying to not change anything in the gtk/fe part of things (for now).
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> hum
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> Traceback (most recent call last):
[15:54] <JontheEchidna>   File "usb-creator-kde", line 27, in <module>
[15:54] <JontheEchidna>     from PyKDE4.kdecore import KCmdLineArgs, KCmdLineOptions, i18n, ki18n
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> ImportError: No module named kdecore
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> that might complicate things
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> pykde is broken for me
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> uh-oh
[15:57] <Riddell> works here
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> I think I might know why
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> the new bindings disables pykde
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> but what if the package wasn't commented out?
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> it'd ship an empty package
[15:57]  * JontheEchidna investigates
[15:58] <rgreening> lol
[15:58] <JontheEchidna> yeah, we need to comment out python-kde4 so that an empty package won't be built
[15:58] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: to run the app within the dir is wonky.
[15:58] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: don't upload bindings just yet :)
[15:59] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: you need a top level copy of usb-creator-kde and the ui file (from gui)
[15:59] <rgreening> just don't bzr add them
[16:04] <Riddell> I've replaced kdeplasma-addons in the seed with kdeplasma-widgets-addons which should stop the 50MB of wallpapers being dragged in
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: bindings good to go now.
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> now I just need to downgrade...
[16:19] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: you rock
[16:19] <Riddell> and so does vorian and lex for that matter
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> yus, they do rock
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> glad we caught that pykde issue before it went public
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> nhandler too :)
[16:21] <rgreening> gratz to all the packagers.
[16:21]  * rgreening too busy hacking usb-creator this time around
[16:22] <Riddell> yay for nhandler
[16:47] <Mamarok> \sh: of cours he did not forget, we started celebrstion at 00:01 am :)
[16:49] <\sh> Mamarok: great :)
[16:49] <\sh> Mamarok: greet Mr. Amarok from me :)
[16:50] <Mamarok> \sh: will do :)
[16:52] <Riddell> not forget what?
[16:52] <\sh> Riddell: Mamaroks birthday :)
[16:52] <Riddell> no whay?!
[16:53] <\sh> \o/
[16:53] <\sh> if apachelogger would still do the work for radio amarok...he would have played "happy birthday"
[16:54] <Riddell> that would be an unauthorised broadcast without permission of AOL Time Warner!
[16:54] <emonkey> *g*
[16:54] <Mamarok> Riddell: thx :)
[16:54] <nixternal> anyone working on the apport-qt stuff for pitti?
[16:55] <Riddell> nixternal: which apport-qt stuff?
[16:56] <nixternal> pitti just blogged about adding ui functions to the gtk part of apport and needs a qt person (I am super qt) to implement the stuff for us
[16:56] <nixternal> if nobody has, I will look into it then
[16:57] <Riddell> I think you just volunteered yourself :)
[16:57] <nixternal> hehe
[16:57]  * nixternal bzr branches
[16:57] <Riddell> yuriy wrote the apport spec, check with him if anything else needs done
[16:58] <\sh> Riddell: would you care? He played for me as well "Kiss" ;)
[17:11] <yuriy> nixternal: i think i just wrote keep up with what ubuntu adds so please do :)
[17:23] <Riddell> plasma-bluemarble is a candidate for splitting out if we need an extra couple of megs
[17:24] <Riddell> /usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma-bluemarble/earth.png really needs to be compressed somehow
[17:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: pling pling pling pling
[17:34] <valgaav> I always wondered why ubuntu sticks with cds instead of providing one livedvd with the choice of gnome kde or xfce ... :P 700 mb is not that much seeing how every release strugles to reach the less then 700 mb goal
[17:35] <Tscheesy_> valgaav: there's only a reason for a DVD when you do not have a internet -connection
[17:37] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: plong
[17:37] <Nightrose> valgaav: how would you ask people without a dvd drive to install it? ;-)
[17:37] <Nightrose> (yes those still exist)
[17:37] <valgaav> better promotion of kde as an alternative to gnome is a good reason :)
[17:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: a) do you haz jabber?
[17:37] <apachelogger> b) do you haz vm with 9.04?
[17:37] <apachelogger> stock 9.04 that is
[17:37] <JontheEchidna> I could probably get a 9.04 vm, but I don't have jabber
[17:38] <valgaav> Nightrose:  from usb stick ? :P I think cd owners are a minority
[17:38] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: you have gmail right? then you have habber
[17:38] <Nightrose> *jabber
[17:38] <JontheEchidna> oh, I guess I do then
[17:39] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[17:39] <JontheEchidna> what's everybody's vm of choice?
[17:39] <jjesse> vmware workstation :)
[17:42] <apachelogger> virtualbox
[17:42] <apachelogger> freedom for the free
[17:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: kvm is also very decent
[17:42] <apachelogger> if you manage to bend the arguments
[17:42] <apachelogger> no decent GUI I have seen so far
[17:42] <apachelogger> anyway
[17:43] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: first hook your kopete up to google, because it is a major drag to go ircing just to poke you :P
[17:43] <apachelogger> then you can go worry about vms
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> ok, kopete set up
[18:08]  * rgreening has a brain hiccup dwelling on usb-creator-kde ... gtk -> qt is interesting to say the least...
[18:09] <rgreening> time to commit some more changes to it... see if I can a) prevent the KCrash on insert usb stick and b) see if I can figure out why cdroms show up twice in the list.
[18:09]  * rgreening currently is stumped...
[18:24] <Riddell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kde-dep-graph.png  cry
[18:29] <rgreening> whoah... Riddell, what happened to the dep tree
[18:29] <rgreening> that looks bad
[18:30] <rgreening> seems like a build nightmare :P
[19:00] <Riddell> rgreening: kdelibs-experimental happened, plus a few others
[19:00] <rgreening> hehe.. yuk :P
[19:43] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: any updates for me?
[20:04] <harolddong> I'm using the beta and last night after an update that through my wallpaper stopped displaying. its just the checkerboard thing now and there is not even any section to change it in desktop settings anymore.  Also some of my notifications are in the old kde3 style now not the new plasma style.  does anybody know what happened?
[20:12] <bdgraue> harolddong: same here, think we have to wait till it is fixed ;)
[20:13] <bdgraue> harolddong: backgrund color works and the weather plugin can also display a wallpaper
[20:13] <harolddong> ah okay I just wanted to know if it was just me or not
[20:13] <bdgraue> no :D
[20:14] <bdgraue> maybe only you and me, but i dont think so ;)
[20:14] <harolddong> also there was another update a little a short while ago today and now some of my icons arent working...namely kmix
[20:14] <harolddong> just putting it out there
[20:18] <jussi01> harolddong: I dont think the whole of the updates have built yet
[20:18] <jussi01> harolddong: [16:33:58] <JontheEchidna> not all of the packages are built yet
[20:18] <jussi01> [16:34:24] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: ahh, that would explain it
[20:18] <jussi01> [16:34:35] <JontheEchidna> workin' on it
[20:18] <jussi01> harolddong: so its happening, be patient! :D
[20:19] <harolddong> I'm patient
[20:21] <jussi01> harolddong: you have to realise, that although JontheEchidna is an absolute superman, the PPA's are still slow to build :D
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> lex79 is helping out too
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> but yes, the PPAs are being the bottleneck at the moment
[20:22] <jussi01> lex79: ++ nice work!
[20:22] <harolddong> its the faut of the blasted internet then I should have known
[20:22] <lex79> yeah :D
[20:23] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: seriously though, there are a lot of us that really appreciate the effort you put in. keep it up!
[20:36] <Riddell> yay, plasma in beta 2 puts everything the right way around again
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I noticed :)
[21:02] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: is this a result of packages still being built or a genuine issue? W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/experimental/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/main/source/Sources.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[21:03] <JontheEchidna> dunno
[21:06] <harolddong> so these are actually beta 2 packages you guys are building right now?
[21:08] <harolddong> is there some way to set it so I dont have to sign into the wallet for the network plasmoid right as soon as I login everytime?  the old networkmanager never asked for a wallet password but this one does does everytime.kind of a drag
[21:19] <Riddell> harolddong: user questions best in #kubuntu
[22:20] <Riddell> "karmic-alternate-amd64.iso      08-Jun-2009 21:21  677M"  we have space on the CD!
[22:20] <jussi01> yippee!!
[22:22] <jussi01> Riddell: what created the space?
[22:22] <NCommander> What the hell fell off the CD O_o;
[22:22] <NCommander> We don't magicially gain 30MB unless hell freezes over.
[22:22] <NCommander> especially not on the alternate since that isn't as heavily compressed
[22:23] <jussi01> NCommander: I was asking that... in a slightly different way... :P
[22:23] <NCommander> jussi01, yours had a postive spin, mine has a negative one :-)
[22:23] <jussi01> *g*
[22:23] <Riddell> NCommander: taking off 50MB of wallpapers helped
[22:23] <NCommander> 50 *MB?!*
[22:23] <NCommander> What the hell were we shipping, the RAW!??!?!
[22:23]  * jussi01 giggles at NCommander...
[22:23] <Riddell> goodness knows
[22:24] <jussi01> so what is the space now reserved for?
[22:24] <NCommander> Riddell, if you removed 50MB worth of wallpaper, but the CDs at 677MB, where's the other 27MB?
[22:25] <NCommander> Riddell, maybe we should dump OOo, that would give us enough space to ship most of the langpacks :-)
[22:26] <Riddell> NCommander: we were well over the 700MB
[22:26] <NCommander> oh
[22:26] <NCommander> yay oversized images :-/
[22:27] <NCommander> Riddell, on the continuing trend of horrifying developments, we should have maybe-working ia64 liveCDs, and should-be-working-ia64 alternates soonish
[22:27] <NCommander> (as in a kernel upload, d-i retry and daily spin)