[00:10] <hggdh> welcome, but I did not do anything...
[06:26] <dholbach> good morning
[06:37] <micahg> morning
[06:38] <micahg> how can I tell someone without apport enabled to upload a .crash file either as a new bug or attacted to a current bug with LP processing?
[06:40] <micahg> neverming
[06:40] <micahg> nevermind
[06:40] <micahg> I found the answer
[06:40] <micahg> apport-cli
[06:45] <YoBoY> micahg: ubuntu-bug is more simple to remember
[06:46] <micahg> YoBoY: does ubuntu-bug process already existing crash reports?
[06:46] <YoBoY> no
[06:47] <micahg> actually, I just found it does :)
[06:47] <YoBoY> apport-collect for that
[06:47] <micahg> I don't know how I missed that
[06:47] <micahg> ubuntu-bug /var/crash/_my_program.crash
[06:47] <YoBoY> ho it does ? :)
[06:48] <YoBoY> ha ok i haven't correctly understood the question ^^
[06:49] <YoBoY> ubuntu-bug is only a cli frontend for apport (gtk, qt or cli)
[09:15] <crevette> hello
[15:09] <bddebian> Boo
[17:07] <YoBoY> test
[17:11] <micahg> YoBoY: test successful?
[17:11] <YoBoY> yes ^^ sorry discovering the /amsg comand on irc :p
[19:45] <bcurtiswx_> hey all, i have a question about bug "spawns".. if one bug report has a lot of people effected, and people start making other bug reports because they feel their hardware and symptoms are different enough.  Should I report them at dupes? or treat them as totally different bugs?
[19:46] <bcurtiswx_> example: bug #355155 and its "spawn" bug #384884
[19:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 355155 in linux "Clocksource tsc unstable leads to lockups in Ubuntu Jaunty" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/355155
[19:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 384884 in ubuntu "Desktop temporarily freezes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/384884
[19:50] <randomaction> bcurtiswx_: in ideal world, it should be possible to tell whether it is the same problem e.g. by matching symptoms and test cases
[19:53] <bcurtiswx_> randomaction: it just seems most of them are different chipsets, and different actions to come to the same conclusion.. the system freezes... some are saying they get unstuck (which have reported them as different bugs), and others have to hard boot.
[19:58] <bdmurray> Its best to treat them as separate bugs as they could be hardware dependent
[19:58] <bdmurray> Additionally it is easier to make a bug a duplicate of another than it is to separate bug reports
[20:04] <bcurtiswx_> so even though its diff hardware configs, mark as dup?
[20:05] <randomaction> problems like this are hard to debug, so it's possible that people commenting there suffer from different bugs
[20:06] <bdmurray> No, keep them separate and encourage filing different bugs until absolutely certain they are duplicates.
[20:06] <randomaction> I mean, one of the guys solved his problem by adding boot parameters, and it didn't help others
[20:06] <bcurtiswx_> hmm, ok
[20:07] <bcurtiswx_> i'll have to turn the big bug into a day project, lol
[21:17] <BUGabundo> boas noites
[22:20] <BUGabundo> bdmurray: hi. aren't @ubuntu.com address whitelist to MLs ?
[22:20] <bdmurray> BUGabundo: I don't really know
[22:21] <BUGabundo> ok. sorry for the noise then
[22:26] <askand1> are you there kklimonda?
[22:26] <yoasif> kklimonda: is an awesome guy :)
[22:26] <kklimonda> askand1: please, don't tell me 1.70/1.71 crashed ;)
[22:27] <askand1> kklimonda: haha..well kind of.. I reinstalled ubuntu and had no crashes since but when upgrading to 1.71 I can't even start it
[22:27] <kklimonda> :D
[22:27] <askand1> transmission: session.c:767: tr_sessionInitImpl: Försäkran "found" falsk.
[22:28] <kklimonda> can you run it with LC_ALL=C ?
[22:28] <askand1> I have no idea what that means
[22:28] <kklimonda> i don't even know what language it is :)
[22:28] <askand1> nope I cant
[22:29] <kklimonda> maybe it is http://trac.transmissionbt.com/ticket/2122  ?
[22:29] <askand1> kklimonda: ah ok.. looks like it can't work with the config directory from the old version, something to think about when upgrading all users versions in Karmic :D
[22:30] <kklimonda> i think it is a bug 381050 and it only should be a problem when you upgrade and downgrade transmission..
[22:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 381050 in transmission "Crashes at session.c:691 - tr_sessionInitImpl: Controletest 'found' fails." [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/381050
[22:30] <virtuald> it's a bad swedish translation
[22:32] <askand1> aha ok
[22:32] <askand1> removing settings.json makes it work again
[22:33] <kklimonda> askand1: but the question remains - have you downgraded transmission at some time? if not and you only upgraded 1.51 -> 1.60 -> 1.70 it shouldn't happen..
[22:33] <kklimonda> or even 1.51 -> 1.71..
[22:33] <askand1> I have not, I upgraded from 1.51 to 1.71
[22:34] <kklimonda> so you installed 1.51, used for a while and then upgraded to 1.71? :/
[22:34] <askand1> kklimonda: if 1.51 is the version in Jaunty by default yep
[22:36] <virtuald> transmission: session.c:767: tr_sessionInitImpl: Assertion `found' failed.
[22:36] <kklimonda> askand1: thanks for info. I'll ask devs what to do about it..
[22:36] <virtuald> that only turns up a russian forum post asking for help
[22:37] <askand1> http://pastebin.com/m6041b7c0
[22:37] <askand1> there are the 2 settingsfiles
[22:37] <askand1> above the old one
[22:37] <askand1> and under it the freshly created by 1.71
[22:37] <kklimonda> yeah, it looks like a spin off of bug 2122
[22:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 2122 in soyuz "+sources should include a link to batched list of all source packages" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2122
[22:37] <kklimonda> ech, bug from transmission trac ;)
[22:39] <kklimonda> well, we'll have to fix it either in jaunty or in karmic.. sigh..
[22:41] <askand1> kklimonda: wow there is a huge difference in downloading speed with 0.51 compared to 0.71
[22:41] <yoasif> askand1: better on newer?
[22:42] <kklimonda> askand1: what locale do you use?
[22:42] <askand1> yoasif: lots better
[22:43] <askand1> askand1: hrm I'm not sure what you mean..swedish?
[22:43] <yoasif> askand1: sweet, i'm running it, was thinking about trying rtorrent
[22:43] <kklimonda> ya, swedish
[22:47] <kklimonda> askand1: thanks for report - I have created bug 384962
[22:47] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 384962 in transmission "Malformed "ratio-limit" in settings.json prevents transmission 1.71 from starting after upgrade from 1.51-0ubuntu3 " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/384962
[22:48] <askand1> kklimonda: nice
[22:48] <askand1> shall I confirm or is there no point in that?
[22:49] <kklimonda> askand1: sure, go ahead
[22:49] <kklimonda> hggdh: question if you are here
[22:49] <kklimonda> or maybe somebody else fro bug control? :)
[22:55] <hggdh> kklimonda, pong
[22:56] <kklimonda> hggdh: bug 384962 - what importance should it have? it will break transmission gui for users of all locales that use comma as decimal point.
[22:56] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 384962 in transmission "Malformed "ratio-limit" in settings.json prevents transmission 1.71 from starting after upgrade from 1.51-0ubuntu3 " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/384962
[22:56] <kklimonda> hggdh: after upgrade to karmic
[22:57] <kklimonda> and probably from hardy to next lts..
[22:57] <BUGabundo> hey hggdh. tudo bom?
[22:57] <kklimonda> hggdh: also please set it as triaged
[22:59] <kklimonda> hggdh: I'd set it to High myself..
[22:59] <hggdh> I agree on high
[23:00] <hggdh> ei BUGabundo e la nave va...
[23:01] <hggdh> kklimonda, too late, done (both triaged, and high) ;-)
[23:01] <hggdh> kklimonda, are you working on fixing it?
[23:01] <kklimonda> yes
[23:01] <hggdh> OK. Just asking ;-) you assigned it to yourself
[23:02] <yoasif> hggdh: sounds like a nasty bug
[23:03] <hggdh> yes, it does. One more on localisation...
[23:03] <hggdh> but brave kklimonda is on it
[23:04] <kklimonda> :P