[00:36] <jmarsden> Is there a way to see whether an automated sync for a package is pending?  Or why one may have been reverted?  I thought bibletime 2.0-1 was already synced into Karmic, but now rmadison says 1.6.5.1-1 is there instead.
[00:37] <ScottK> There's no way to revert it, so it's pretty certain it was never there.
[00:38] <ScottK> If it's unmodified in Ubuntu and has a higher version in Debian, it should get sync'ed.
[00:38] <jmarsden> OK, could be just my memory playing tricks on me.  Is there a way to see that it will be synced, or to find out when the next automated sync will happen?
[00:38] <ScottK> The next time is 'when an archive admin does it', so not really.
[00:38] <jmarsden> Oh, OK :)
[01:02] <vorian> phoooey!
[01:03] <directhex> i think YokoZar's talk at UDS gets specific credence when you have major companies like electronic arts shipping windows games with a wine derivative as an official mac port
[01:14] <YokoZar> directhex: yeah I didn't mention Cider but that's not a bad point.  In principle we can offer the same thing for Linux but better (since Wine > Cedega)
[01:15] <directhex> YokoZar, well, sure. of course, defining "we can offer" is key. not many corps wanna open the support can of worms of officially supporting linux via wine
[01:15] <directhex> YokoZar, i'd certainly expect apps with cider "ports" to be pretty well-behaved in wine
[01:16] <YokoZar> directhex: Right, they'd like to pass that off onto a company like Transgaming.  I think a company like Codeweavers (or even Canonical) could do that but better
[01:17] <YokoZar> Once it works in Wine, supporting it is basically a matter of not breaking it with new Wine updates on distro release
[01:17] <directhex> plus possible copy protection woe
[01:18] <YokoZar> Assuming nothing else on the system breaks (which is why I pointed at Canonical as a source of support -- if it is a Wine issue that can generally be worked around by using the specific tested version or just delaying the port)
[01:19] <YokoZar> Copy protection woes can be dealt with by not porting copy-protected apps that don't work in Wine ;)
[01:19] <YokoZar> Truthfully, though, most of Wine's copy protection breakage has to do with CD-based software
[01:26] <directhex> bleh. well, the BNP got a seat in the EU parliament, but at least it wasn't from the south east
[02:51] <prefrontal> i must master the universe
[04:41] <prefrontal> has anyone used svn2cl from the subversion-tools package to create debian/changelog from a subversion repository?
[04:51] <dtchen> huh.
[04:51] <dtchen> why does explicitly build-depending on libghc6-utf8-string-prof (>= 0.3.4-4) instead of libghc6-utf8-string-dev (>= 0.3.4-4),libghc6-utf8-string-prof work?
[04:58] <lifeless> dtchen: probably due to a matching version deb on the two string packages
[06:26] <dholbach> good morning
[06:26] <al-maisan> moin dholbach :)
[06:27] <dholbach> hola al-maisan!
[06:27] <dholbach> ¿como estas? :)
[06:28] <al-maisan> ah, we are still holding on to some of the Barcelona flair :)
[06:28] <dholbach> :)
[06:35] <fabrice_sp> Hey dholbach ! good morning
[06:35] <fabrice_sp> good morning al-maisan
[06:35] <dholbach> hiya fabrice_sp!
[06:36] <al-maisan> hello fabrice_sp, good morning to you :)
[06:38] <fabrice_sp> :-)
[06:38] <fabrice_sp> so dholbach, how was this spanish trip?
[06:39] <dholbach> fabrice_sp: Barcelona is very very nice
[06:40] <fabrice_sp> yes, that's true: it's a very nice city. I love that 'Gaudí' touch
[06:41] <dholbach> exactly
[06:58] <rawang> hi, please How to add a extra package while pbuildering something?
[07:01] <jmarsden> rawang: http://wiki.debian.org/PbuilderTricks
[07:03] <rawang> jmarsden, great!, thank you so much :)
[07:07] <jmarsden> No problem :)
[07:12] <gpocentek> morning
[07:13] <gpocentek> is somebody taking care of gnome-chemistry-utils (MOTU science maybe)?
[07:38] <qiyong> how to setup a local archive for pxe ?
[07:39] <jmarsden> qiyong: It is a bit old, but see http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/10/11/how-to-configure-pxe-network-booting-on-ubuntu-for-network-based-installations/
[07:39] <qiyong> jmarsden: i want to use a local LAN archive
[07:40] <jmarsden> I don't understand... you don't have a Ubuntu machine to act as the tftp server?
[07:40] <qiyong> jmarsden: archive.ubuntu.com
[07:41] <qiyong> like that
[07:41] <jmarsden> For PXE???  Sorry, I do not understand your request.
[07:42] <jmarsden> PXE uses a local LAN where there is a TFTP server with certain files on it...
[07:43] <jmarsden> If you just want to make a local Ubuntu archive machine, look at using apt-mirror or apt-proxy -- but that has nothing to do with PXE at all, as far as I know.
[07:44] <jmarsden> For that, see tutorials like http://www.howtoforge.com/local_debian_ubuntu_mirror
[08:36] <robinp> if i want to create a java package as part of my packaging, can I include the jni, jar and doc in one deb or does it need to be split like normal c libs ?
[08:47] <directhex> robinp, best to ask someone on the java team. i suspect (i'm guessing) that'd be #debian-java on oftc. but google might know better
[08:58] <slytherin> robinp: split it.
[09:00] <robinp> ok so one package for each? libfoon-jni , libfoon-jar , libfoon-java-doc ?
[09:02] <juanje> hi, could anyone review this package? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/mount-systray
[09:02] <juanje> or this one? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/backintime
[09:02] <juanje> please ;-)
[09:33] <slytherin> robinp: right
[09:41] <rawang> jmarsden, I‘ve tried in many ways, but it always says " blahblah (>=1.0) which is a virtual package"
[09:45] <slytherin> rawang: for which package do you get that error?
[09:45] <rawang> slytherin, a mono package
[09:45] <slytherin> rawang: I mean what is 'blahblah'?
[09:46] <rawang> slytherin, I built package A which depends on B, and B is built out already, B is also a local package
[09:46] <rawang> sladen, mono-uia
[09:46] <slytherin> rawang: if B is local package, is it installed inside pbuilder?
[09:47] <rawang> slytherin, yeah, I update pbuilderrc, and have a Dxxxxx script in the hook dir
[09:47] <rawang> slytherin, but it appears to it is not include the local repo in the pbuilder environment :(
[09:48] <slytherin> rawang: if you updated the pbuilderrc, did you to 'pbuilder --update --override-config' after that?
[09:48] <rawang> slytherin, yes, I did
[09:50] <slytherin> rawang: In what component does your package live in the local repository? (main/universe etc.)
[09:51] <rawang> slytherin, COMPONENTS="main restricted universe multiverse"  in my ~/.pbuilderrc
[09:52] <slytherin> rawang: can't help beyond this
[09:55] <rawang> slytherin, could you take a loot at http://paste2.org/p/251755 ?
[09:55] <rawang> slytherin, thank you so much! ;)
[09:58] <slytherin> rawang: what is this - tmp/hooks/D05deps: 2: apt-ftparchive: not found?
[09:59] <rawang> slytherin, the content of script is
[09:59] <rawang> (cd /var/cache/pbuilder/aptcache; apt-ftparchive packages . > Packages)
[09:59] <rawang> #1/bin/bash
[09:59] <rawang> (cd /var/cache/pbuilder/aptcache; apt-ftparchive packages . > Packages)
[09:59] <rawang> and apt-get update
[10:00] <rawang> just 3 lines
[10:00] <directhex> rawang, do you have the apt-ftparchive command installed?
[10:00] <rawang> directhex, hmm, I think so,
[10:00] <directhex> do you know so?
[10:00] <rawang> directhex, in my system environment or pbuilder envinronment ?
[10:00] <slytherin> rawang: I am not very much familiar with using local repositories in pbuilder. May be someone can help you.
[10:01] <directhex> rawang, outside, by the look of it
[10:01] <rawang> slytherin, sure, thank you all the same ;)
[10:01] <directhex> rawang, although i could be wrong
[10:02] <rawang> directhex, apt-ftparchive is in apt-utils
[10:02] <rawang> directhex, and I have it installed
[10:02] <directhex> hm. dunno, i don't use a local repo in my pbuilders
[10:03] <rawang> directhex, but how did resolve the thing like if your package A depends on B, B is a local package?
[10:03] <rawang> directhex, how did you add B to fulfill the dependency?
[10:03] <directhex> rawang, generally? uploading B to a PPA, or by manually using "pbuilder login" ;)
[10:04] <directhex> which is a workaround and hack, to be sure
[10:04] <rawang> directhex, emm, Okey ;)
[10:05] <rawang> directhex, but what is reason why around line 87?
[10:05] <rawang> directhex, libmono-sqlite2.0-cil: Depends: libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.6.13) but it is not installable
[10:06] <directhex> rawang, your 2.4 repo, wherever it may be, was compiled against a newer version of sqlite than is in jaunty
[10:07] <rawang> directhex, oh, ok, I use meebey's repository,
[10:07] <directhex> rawang, which has dependencies for debian unstable
[10:08] <rawang> directhex, even mono 2.4 is found, why the libsqlite is not found?
[10:08] <directhex> rawang, because debian unstable has a newer version of sqlite
[10:08] <directhex> rawang, try https://launchpad.net/~directhex/+archive/monoxide instead
[10:11] <rawang> directhex, wow, thanks, great! :)
[10:19] <slytherin> directhex: some entertainment on u-d-d list. :-)
[10:19] <directhex> slytherin, indeed
[10:19] <directhex> slytherin, i get this daily so i'm used to it
[10:20] <slytherin> directhex: what I find amusing is that this guy always backs up his claims with 'because Roy Schestowitz said so'.
[10:20] <directhex> slytherin, looks like poor maco is trying really hard to present a sane, rational viewpoint in response. good luck to her - i doubt i could reply to a poster like that without violating the CoC
[10:21] <\sh> slytherin: if you mean the rant of "Karl Fink"...
[10:21] <directhex> \sh, he does
[10:22] <ogra> directhex, just invoke godwins law ;)
[10:22] <\sh> directhex: it's correct that there are reasonable concerns regarding mono and patents and MS...but technology wise...it should be included in any distro
[10:23] <directhex> \sh, there are reasonable concerns. the reasonable voices are drowned out by guys like this mark fink fellow
[10:23] <directhex> \sh, the jack thompson effect
[10:24] <\sh> directhex: that's why I replied, if he wants to shout and scream, he should shout and scream about any other "patent related sources" we have, too...best example always: mp3 ;)
[10:25] <directhex> \sh, or firefox (AJAX, XPCOM). people love to pretend AJAX isn't a patented MSIE extension
[10:25] <\sh> directhex: indeed
[10:28] <\sh> ogra: invoking Godwins Law is a good idea ;) but be sure you have your "Nazometer" [(C) by Schmidt + Pocher] handy ;)
[10:28] <ogra> haha
[10:58] <binarymutant> if someone could review this package, http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/pidgin-mbpurple , I would be very appreciative :)
[11:38] <robinp> how do you get cdbs to build sub-dirs in the /debian/tmp for the make install run ?
[11:38] <azeem_> robinp: build sub-dirs?
[11:38] <azeem> the upstream build system should create the directories it needs for make install
[11:43] <\sh> anyone knows the nick of "Bhavani Shankar"?
[11:45] <robinp> azeem: as far as i can tell - it assumes that those dirs already exist ..... doh!
[11:46] <thekorn> \sh, coolbhavi, according to his lp profile
[11:46] <\sh> thekorn: yeah...just looked it up :) thx :)
[11:47] <pan1nx> I have a questoin for MOTU members
[11:48] <pan1nx> If you have a bug/RFP that it is solved in somebody's PPA, what do you? Do you take that somebody's ppa, move it to REVU, or what?
[12:04] <davideotape> Hi guys :)
[12:07] <slytherin> \sh: any particular reason you needed nick of Bhavani? H doesn't seem to be very active these days on IRC.
[12:07] <slytherin> pan1nx: You request that person to move the package to REVU.
[12:08] <\sh> slytherin: because of drupal5 merge...but I took it now...working on drupal anyways
[12:10] <slytherin> \sh: ok
[12:19] <slytherin> Has anyone tried VLC 1.0 RC2 with blue ray discs? The release notes say that it has blue ray support.
[12:21]  * \sh doesn't even have a blueray player at all..
[12:23] <directhex> slytherin, i have not tried this. does that mean AACS decoding, or simply it'll open pre-ripped blu-ray m2ts files without choking?
[12:23] <directhex> slytherin, also, can i have your opinion on a package split?
[12:25] <directhex> the decoders list certainly seems to include all those pesky codecs
[12:26] <slytherin> directhex: 1. Release notes just says experimental support for blue ray disc (http://www.videolan.org/developers/vlc/NEWS). 2. Tell me which package.
[12:27] <directhex> slytherin, ikvm. i just finished updating in svn to a new upstream release, which splits up the openjdk classlib to an extent where a monolithic package seems to make even less sense than it used to. the current package split looks like this: http://paste.debian.net/38367/
[12:29] <slytherin> directhex: Looks sane to me provided dependencies are managed properly. You may also want to ask other java devs like geser, persia, doko.
[12:30] <directhex> slytherin, haven't seen any sign of doko for ages
[12:30] <directhex> geser, persia?
[12:58] <directhex> slytherin, we have automatic dependency generation for things, so i'm mostly trying to work out a conceptually sane path more than anything else
[13:08]  * directhex begins the timer, just for \sh 
[13:08] <\sh> hehe
[13:09] <\sh> directhex: last post to that topic...promised..
[13:10] <directhex> \sh, oh, feel free to do whatever you like! it saves me the task
[13:10] <directhex> \sh, and as i said earlier, i can't imagine a CoC-compatible way to respond to that guy
[13:12] <xnox> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/jaunty/release/source/
[13:12] <xnox> Can you spot GPL violation? =D
[13:13] <xnox> I'm not sure what is the appropriate way to file a bug about this. Source CD is size 0
[13:13] <directhex> xnox, it's not a GPL violation, in that all the source IS available. it's annoying, though, certainly
[13:13] <xnox> Do we do source cd qa testing btw?
[13:13] <xnox> directhex: well ok it is available over the internet in the archive
[13:14] <xnox> So who do I ping / contact to resolve this?
[13:14] <xnox> A bug against xubuntu-desktop?
[13:14] <directhex> i'd ask in #ubuntu-devel, they know more about cd creation in there, and can direct you to the right package
[13:45] <maco> directhex, my view on the mono thing is that ok, sure, as with any time the US patent system gets involved with software, there's a danger. suing all those users...not feasible. at worst, they say we cant include it by default...in which case...well, hopefully these aren't the only decent apps because when you rely on the one good app, you still run the risk of the dev falling off the face of the earth
[13:46] <directhex> indeed
[13:46] <mok0>  maco: mononono comes to the rescue :-)
[13:47] <directhex> still, good effort on trying to inject sanity onto that thread, shame reason only works on reasonable people
[13:47] <directhex> mok0, nothing says "freedom" like equivs!
[13:47] <mok0> he
[14:14] <robinp> ok im loosing my sanity, please help me.... I'm trying to create a multi-package debian/rules file using cdbs - however my upstream Makefile doesn't check that the /debian/tmp/foo/bar dirs are there when it tries to copy them there as part of the install process. I have tried adding a foo.install with /debian/tmp/foo/bar but it doesn't seem to work.
[14:16] <azeem> robinp: to create dirs, use debian/foo.dirs
[14:16] <azeem> robinp: and/or fix the upstream build system
[14:18] <robinp> i tried the foo.dirs thing with no love their either
[14:19] <robinp> how does a Makefile normally check for the existance of the destination ?
[14:21] <azeem> it justs creates the directories it wants to install files to
[14:24] <mok0> robinp: just do it in rules before you call make, that way you don't need to mess with upstream's makefiles
[14:32] <Kage[Work]> In ubuntu-vm-builder, is there a way to NOT make the qcow, only generate the XML file
[14:32] <Kage[Work]> I'm looking for a way that I can just have a template qcow prepared, and when I want to make new VMs, generate a new XML and copy the template qcow
[14:33] <Kage[Work]> This is just for rapid test environments that we want prepared, so we don't have to wait an hour for a VM to build
[14:39] <Kage[Work]> The primary reason for why I ask this, instead of simply generating XML files and injecting our test qcow, is because of the uuid portion of the definition
[14:39] <Kage[Work]> Unless that uuid doesn't need to be in the format it is in
[14:40] <Kage[Work]> If so, would simply using MD5 hashes work?
[14:43] <Kage[Work]> No one here messes with this stuff, eh?
[14:48] <jpds> Kage[Work]: Maybe #ubuntu-virt ?
[14:49] <Kage[Work]> Oh, didn't know of that channel
[14:49] <mok0> Kage[Work]: I'd like to know how to generate the XML files too, for existing images created by other means
[14:49] <mok0> Kage[Work]: soren is the one to ask
[15:09] <bddebian> Heya gang
[15:14] <iulian> Hi bddebian.
[15:14] <bddebian> Hi iulian
[15:16] <directhex> maco, that thread is getting increasingly epic
[15:16] <directhex> maco, i love how he cites the boycottnovell wiki, which calls tomboy a gnote clone
[15:18] <highvoltage> can Mark Fink please be moderated on the list?
[15:18] <highvoltage> he's really annoying.
[15:19] <directhex> highvoltage, from my perspective, people like mark are great, as they drown out voices of rational critics like \sh. which saves me lots of time & effort :p
[15:19] <jpds> highvoltage: What, where?
[15:19] <popey> jpds: ubuntu-devel-discuss
[15:19] <popey> i suspect you will be able to spot the thread
[15:20] <directhex> popey is on oxlug :o
[15:20] <popey> moderating him will in all likelyhood add fuel to his fire
[15:20] <popey> directhex: I'm on every lug list :)
[15:20] <popey> I think
[15:20] <highvoltage> directhex: heh
[15:20] <highvoltage> dpm: ubuntu-devel mailing list
[15:20] <directhex> popey, moderating him would indeed proove his "censorship of mono opposition" point
[15:20] <popey> exactly
[15:21] <directhex> popey, evidently he lacks the sense to understand "correlation does not imply causation"
[15:21] <highvoltage> hmm, yes that's probably true
[15:21] <directhex> anyway, minibus time
[15:23] <maco> directhex, who's dereck?
[15:24] <dpm> highvoltage: anything in particular I should be looking at on the ubuntu-devel mailing list?
[15:24] <maco> not u-d, u-d-d
[15:24] <maco> dpm, ^
[15:24] <dpm> ok, thanks maco
[15:24] <popey> "shameful censoring of mono opposition"
[15:24]  * dpm reading...
[15:25]  * slytherin feels bad about direct attack on directhex. :-(
[15:25] <highvoltage> dpm: sorry, yes, it's on the -discuss list, nothing serious, just a troll causing noise
[15:26] <popey> slytherin: he's big enough and ugly enough to look after himself :)
[15:28]  * jpds hugs directhex.
[15:28]  * popey hugs jpds 
[15:30] <jpds> Right, LoCo DNS changing time... fun!
[15:58] <directhex> maco, i don't know who derek is, btw. possibly it's just low-level background trolling against fink?
[16:50] <\sh> siretart: ping if you have some time...do you actually install ubuntu clients via debian {lenny,etch} FAI?
[17:19] <siretart`> \sh: no. I have an hardy FAI server installing hardy workstations here
[17:20] <\sh> siretart`: just asking because I'm running into serious problems regarding menu.lst and the crappy ucf stuff
[17:20] <siretart`> yes, ubuntu's move to ucf in grub has horribly broken the default FAI scripts here
[17:21] <\sh> this ucf --purge /var/run/grub/menu.lst doesn't help..because it comes up with an not-going-to-like-preseeding debconf screen
[17:21] <siretart`> TBH, grub is rather annoying me these days
[17:21] <\sh> http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/journal/2008-06/004.html
[17:21] <siretart`> \sh: what do you think about using ext2linux instead?
[17:23] <\sh> siretart`: ?? ext2linux?
[17:23] <siretart`> \sh: that's the syslinux variant for booting from ext2 filesystems
[17:23] <\sh> siretart`: does it like smartarrays from HP? ;)
[17:24] <siretart`> I wouldn't be surprised if it would like them more than grub :-)
[17:24] <\sh> siretart`: pointer?
[17:24] <siretart`> other option would be grub2
[17:25] <\sh> or lilo ;)
[17:25] <siretart`> nah, lilo is braindead
[17:25] <siretart`> http://syslinux.zytor.com/wiki/index.php/EXTLINUX
[17:25] <siretart`> s/braindead/backwards/
[17:26] <\sh> tbh...I would like to fix grub and ucf instead
[17:26] <siretart`> and also 'apt-cache show syslinux'
[17:26] <siretart`> I've tried and in the end got distracted working in FAI completely because of that mess
[17:27] <siretart`> that's why I'm proposing an alternative bootloader
[17:28] <siretart`> the nice thing about extlinux is that its configuration is really easy
[17:29] <\sh> siretart`: what about kernel updates via apt-get ?
[17:29] <siretart`> what about them?
[17:29] <\sh> siretart`: you need to adjust the syslinux config manually, or?
[17:30] <siretart`> I think you can configure the kernel-image's postinst to maintain a symlink to the 'latest' bootable kernel image
[17:30] <siretart`> just make extlinux boot resolve that symlink
[17:31] <siretart`> I never done this myself, but I think it would be worth a try
[17:32] <siretart`> ah, yes, just keep 'do_symlinks = yes' in /etc/kernel-img.conf
[17:33] <siretart`> you can even configure if you want the symlinks in / or in /boot
[17:35] <\sh> siretart`: so that there is always a link in /vmlinuz e.g.
[17:35] <siretart`> yes, the extlinux' documentation even claims to follow symlinks.
[17:35] <siretart`> \sh: exactly
[17:35] <\sh> k...that would be a nice workaround
[17:35] <siretart`> \sh: shall we phone up about this?
[17:36] <siretart`> I'm on the leave...
[17:36] <\sh> siretart`: let's do it tomorrow then...I want to go home too...right now I'm so fcked up because of something else...I need peace and a beer ;)
[17:36] <siretart`> okay, see you tomorrow then!
[17:37] <\sh> siretart`: have a nice one :) greetings to your better half :)
[17:38] <siretart`> \sh: greetings to your child and wife as well! :-)
[17:38] <siretart`> ciao
[18:26] <\sh> maco: please make that stop on u-d-d ;)
[18:26] <maco> \sh, they seem to have stopped for the last couple of hours
[18:26] <directhex> :(
[18:26] <maco> maybe its daytime in Trolland (trolls are creatures of the night, you see)
[18:26] <directhex> booooring!
[18:27] <directhex> and my blog post on respect is hiding, as my webhost is down
[18:29] <\sh> maco: oh...then I can post my "Please remove lame, all mp3 encs/decs + all h264 etc. and all questionable video/audio codecs" trollspeech
[18:29] <\sh> ,-)
[18:29] <directhex> \sh, some of those are actually enforced. try the "OOo, firefox, kernel" one
[18:29] <maco> \sh, scott told him to file a bug about the kernel being a target of microsoft's patent attacks and requesting that it be removed from the archive
[18:31] <\sh> maco: just read it..and in the whole discussion keybuks reply was the most sane one...especially why he would like it ;)
[18:32]  * maco used the "best of breed" phrase in the thread first
[18:32] <\sh> directhex: before I do that, I enforce godwins law ,-)
[18:32] <\sh> but really before I enforce this law...I would swear about ucf and menu.lst
[18:33] <directhex> now, imagine a thread like this, including the personal attacks, daily. people wonder why i'm sometimes standoffish! \o/
[18:35] <\sh> directhex: TBH...sometimes calling people "morons" help a lot...actually I do this all the time in my office...because doing this on an aggregated blog gives more action ;)
[18:36] <directhex> \sh, "Ridicule is he only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them" -- thomas jefferson
[18:36] <\sh> he's damn right :)
[18:36] <directhex> i think ridicule breaks CoC though ;)
[18:37] <\sh> hey...it's jefferson
[18:43] <\sh> directhex: anyways the discussion is useless.mono as technology needs to be in a unix distro...and about the other concerns...let the judge do the job
[18:43] <directhex> \sh, you're preaching to the wrong man, i think ;)
[18:51] <\sh> directhex: /me != mono fanboy ;) but I do like technology...so you're right ;)
[18:52] <\sh> and C# is an easy language...just like VB ;)
[18:55] <directhex> \sh, as the vb.net packager for debbuntu, let me say on the record: **** VB. it's a language from hell, and nobody should ever use it. BUT - there are people who know it, e.g. students, and they shouldn't be excluded from ubuntu
[20:40] <directhex> maco, \sh, yay, my blog is back online, so my post about "censorship" is up \o/
[21:06] <neurobuntu> Hi.. I'm trying to package up hdf5-1.8.3  for a project I'm working on. i think i've done a decent job of it so far; however, I don't understand everything I'm doing and was wondering if there are any MOTU's willing to sponsor/give me a guiding hand with this project.  HDF5 is a pretty extensive library that is used in all sorts of scientific computing applications and I think the community would benefit from having verion 1.8.3 packaged (even if u
[21:06] <neurobuntu> nofficially)
[21:15] <fabrice_sp_> neurobuntu, you can post your questions here
[21:15] <fabrice_sp_> and eventually publish your package in a ppa
[21:17] <xnox> neurobuntu: hdf5 some of my packages use hdf5.
[21:18] <xnox> have you thought of co-maintaining it in Debian?
[21:18] <xnox> There is a team doing it. Although maybe they are not quite up-to date cause stable, testing and unstable all have 1.6.6-4
[22:10] <\sh> hmm..I wanted to go home around 6 UTC...and now it's 9 UTC...how nice
[22:15] <\sh> and good night folks
[23:09] <binarymutant> if anyone has some time I have some questions regarding licenses and http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/pidgin-mbpurple , I was under the impression that it isn't policy just suggested
[23:10] <kklimonda> what to do if there is a bug in jaunty package that will stop application from working after upgrade to karmic?
[23:10] <kklimonda> i mean where should SRU go to?
[23:11] <kklimonda> if it goes only to -updates if somebody is only subscribed to -security is going to miss it.
[23:13] <nhandler> binarymutant: Sorry for not going into more detail (I was rushed when writing the comment). The headers afaik are not required. However, you should still contact upstream and try to get them added. The other issue is an issue still needs to get fixed
[23:14] <binarymutant> nhandler, thanks for the reply, I did start an issue on upstream's tracker but I'm not sure if they are agreeing to it :/