[14:23] <stgraber> highvoltage: Hi, I released 2.0.1 for ltsp-cluster-accountmanager just so you know
[15:43] <LaserJock> hey guys, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/9.10/Tasks needs some filling in
[15:52] <sbalneav> LaserJock: ok
[15:52] <sbalneav> I'll fill in some :)
[15:56] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Howzzat?
[15:58] <LaserJock> sbalneav: wha?
[15:58] <sbalneav> I updated some tasks.
[15:58]  * stgraber too
[15:59] <sbalneav> Gotta ping that guy on #sabayon again.
[16:01] <LaserJock> we should probably have some more detail on ISO testing and website refreshing
[17:15] <asanchez> hi LaserJock, we are planning study edubuntu-menus in order to identify our needs and generate some docs at the same time
[17:16] <asanchez> we don't have any human resource right now to begin to study edubuntu-menus but i hope to free some of them after GuadalinexEdu deploy in a few weeks
[17:17] <sbalneav> asanchez: If you're going to do some docs on it, would you mind coordinating with me? I'd like to get them documented in the edubuntu handbook as well.
[17:17] <asanchez> sbalneav, of course
[17:18] <LaserJock> asanchez: well, what do you guys generally need?
[17:18] <LaserJock> asanchez: do you want to distribute essentially static menus?
[17:19] <asanchez> LaserJock, we need to organize Education menu in twwo levels
[17:19] <Nubae-bus> asanchez so its looking good for me to come to Sevilla
[17:19] <Nubae-bus> they want an interview for me there
[17:19] <Nubae-bus> so I'll probably be able to do that end of June
[17:19] <asanchez> Nubae-bus, good news
[17:20] <asanchez> we'll very happy to work with you in our team
[17:20] <Nubae-mob> asanchez if u need me to do any work for u guys before then, let me know, I'm relatively free, so just ask
[17:20] <LaserJock> asanchez: what levels do you have?
[17:20] <asanchez> LaserJock, our goverment "recommends" us to organize Education menu by subject
[17:21] <asanchez> LaserJock, i'm going to have one screenshot, give me 1 minute
[17:21] <Nubae-mob> reorganising menus sounds relatively trivial... how do u want to do it though, through a script?
[17:21] <LaserJock> Nubae-mob: hopefully using edubuntu-menus
[17:22] <LaserJock> which is a Xsession script that modifies the menu configuration directory depending on what groups the user belongs to
[17:23] <asanchez> I hope we can use edubuntu-menus
[17:23] <asanchez> we need to add some extra applications to edubuntu
[17:25] <LaserJock> sure, you should have a guadalinexedu-menus package
[17:25] <LaserJock> but the concept is that you don't change any .desktop files at all
[17:25] <LaserJock> so you won't have to modify any existing packages
[17:25] <nubae2> is menus copded in python?
[17:25] <asanchez> yes, that is our goal
[17:25] <LaserJock> and if you uninstall the -menus package you revert to normal behavior
[17:25] <LaserJock> nubae2: no
[17:26] <nubae2> ill have to look closer at it
[17:26] <LaserJock> nubae2: the menu rendering is done in C
[17:26] <LaserJock> nubae2: but the actual menus are a XDG spec and are in XML
[17:27] <nubae2> oh... c is not my friend
[17:27] <LaserJock> you don't need to worry about that though
[17:27] <LaserJock> nubae: just grab the edubuntu-menus package and poke around
[17:27] <bencrisford> hey LaserJock
[17:28] <LaserJock> the reason we didn't push edubuntu-menus before is that we got hung up on having a GUI editor
[17:28] <LaserJock> right now you need to manually create the menu file
[17:29] <LaserJock> which is fine for static deployments
[17:29] <bencrisford> we talking about menus?
[17:29] <LaserJock> but doesn't give the educators much freedom
[17:29] <LaserJock> bencrisford: yep
[17:29] <bencrisford> and they are currently hardcoded?
[17:29] <LaserJock> kinda'ish
[17:30] <bencrisford> that must be a hassle
[17:30] <asanchez> Here is one screenshot of guadalinexedu Education menu: http://www.juntadeandalucia.es/averroes/cga/files/guadalinexedu_menu.png
[17:30] <LaserJock> the menus themselves are mostly dynamic in the sense that you don't have to specify *every* menu item
[17:30] <LaserJock> but you have to do a lot of work to create a new group menu
[17:31] <LaserJock> and you have edit them by hand if you want to change the general layout, etc.
[17:31] <asanchez> nowadays this is not an easy task for a teacher for example
[17:32] <LaserJock> asanchez: do you guys have a standard set of packages or do you let teachers install whatever they want>
[17:32] <LaserJock> ?
[17:32] <asanchez> nobody has access to install nothing
[17:33] <LaserJock> ok, then that actually makes it pretty easy
[17:33] <asanchez> teachers can make a request about any application and we package it and then deploy to all computers
[17:33] <LaserJock> so it would take maybe 30min-1hr to get you ready to go
[17:33] <asanchez> we have a lot ot apps included that don't come by default in (edu)buntu
[17:34] <asanchez> LaserJock, 2 hours to make a complete deploy into servers
[17:34] <LaserJock> it depends somewhat on the .desktop files of your packages
[17:35] <LaserJock> the menu uses the Categories= field in the .desktop files
[17:35] <LaserJock> so if we can match categories up with the Education menu your government says you need then it will be very easy
[17:35] <asanchez> yes
[17:36] <LaserJock> you can also specify that a particular .desktop file should go in a certain category
[17:36] <asanchez> I'll try to have a report about our study of edubuntu-menus as soon as possible
[17:37] <LaserJock> don't hesitate to email edubuntu-devel if you need help
[17:37] <LaserJock> one of Edubuntu's jobs is to make your job easier :-)
[17:37] <asanchez> we'll do it, thanks
[21:52] <nubae> gah, Laserjock is gone I see :-(
[21:57] <sbalneav> Oooh.  Found a great new latin phrase
[21:57] <sbalneav> omnes feriunt, ultima necat
[21:57] <sbalneav> "All the hours wound.  Last one kills"
[21:58]  * sbalneav likes to collect latin sayings
[21:58] <sbalneav> omnia dicta fortiora si dicta Latina
[21:59] <sbalneav> Everything said is stronger if said in Latin.