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shtylmanRiddell: will fill out spec...just got back from a few days at the beach00:09
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jjesseJontheEchidna: your weather desktop should turn a really nasty weather for tornador warnings and thunderstorm warnings like we are underhere00:36
JontheEchidnajussi01: I think things should be better now :)01:28
vorianyo01:30
JontheEchidnayo01:31
vorianwhere do we stand?01:32
JontheEchidnalex and I (but mostly lex) ripped through backports today01:32
JontheEchidnakdeedu is all that's left01:32
voriansheesh01:32
vorianthat's awesome01:32
JontheEchidna1) We are on time01:32
JontheEchidna2) The packages dont' suck this time01:33
JontheEchidna:D01:33
JontheEchidna== awesome01:33
vorianit feels good to actually have time to help this time01:33
vorianor this round01:33
JontheEchidnalex79: you should poke riddell or scottk to sponsor your konvi 1.2 alpha3 package01:41
JontheEchidnaotherwise it'll never be uploaded ;-)01:42
seeleis kubuntu karmic netbook edition going to be a separate install or an option during install?01:46
geniiHello. Wanted to enquire if anyone knows if 10.04 will be an LTS for Kubuntu? (since 8.04 isn't)01:57
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vorianbug 38500501:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 385005 in kdebase "kdebase ate my bases" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38500501:58
lex79lol01:59
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lex79ScottK: can you look here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/ppa02:00
lex79ScottK: to sponsor konversation? thanks02:00
JontheEchidnavorian: "Resolved: OM NOM NOM NOM"02:02
vorianyeah, see -bugs02:02
JontheEchidnathe channel or the ml?02:03
vorianchannel02:03
JontheEchidnafigures I don't idle there anymore02:03
vorianbut you are the king of bugs02:04
JontheEchidnaI'd use -bugs-announce if anything02:05
JontheEchidnaI dun need no silly interaction wit humans for boogs02:05
JontheEchidna>:302:06
vorianyah, silly humans02:06
vorianok02:07
vorianso my grapics card on my desktop blew up today02:07
JontheEchidnamah bug/dev window: http://imagebin.ca/view/B1bjY4c2.html02:07
voriangeeeeeforce 860002:07
vorianwhat's an awesome card to get these days?02:07
JontheEchidnaum02:08
JontheEchidnanot a Geforce 4 MX 44002:08
JontheEchidnaI'd stick with nvidia tho02:08
vorianyeah   <3 nvidia02:08
lex79kdebase captured my horsemen02:12
lex79fantastic :)02:12
vorian:-/02:12
JontheEchidnakdebase sunk my battleship02:15
JontheEchidnaout o' curiosity, watcha testing?02:18
JontheEchidna*whatcha02:18
vorianthe test failed02:18
vorianby about 2 months02:19
JontheEchidnatime travel experiments?02:19
vorianyes02:19
JontheEchidnazomg!02:19
vorianhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?ISList=14-121-309-S01%2c14-121-309-S02%2c14-121-309-S04%2c14-121-309-S03%2c14-121-309-S05&S7ImageFlag=1&Item=N82E16814121309&Depa=0&WaterMark=1&Description=ASUS%20GeForce%20GTS%20250%20ENGTS250%20DK%2fHTDI%2f1GD3%20Video%20Card%20-%20Retail02:21
vorianwhoa!02:21
voriansorry02:21
ScottKseele: It'll have to be a separate install.02:54
ryanakcaScottK: Did you ever get around to signing my key?02:59
ScottKryanakca: I have not done any of them yet.02:59
ryanakcaScottK: OK02:59
ScottKIt's been a bit busy as I left for a business trip on Sunday after getting home from UDS on Saturday and I'm still on the subsequent trip.03:00
ryanakcaScottK: Fun fun :)03:01
yuriywe in on this branding thing?03:13
ScottKWe need someone to work our end of it.03:13
* ScottK thinks it is a good idea, but is not volunteering.03:14
yuriyour end of it == artwork?03:15
* yuriy doesn't know of any artists in here other than kwwii 03:15
seeleScottK: hmm.. i'm not sure if enough of kde will be optimized for netbooks by then to make a difference03:16
ScottKseele: Tonio_ has been working on an alternate set of default settings.03:16
yuriysomebody here know the system groups on ubuntu well?03:21
yuriyScottK?03:21
ScottKDunno about well.  What's your question?03:21
yuriyin userconfig there is a view that shows groups as "privileges" in easier terms03:22
yuriythere is a hardcoded dictionary as to what these are, and it's out of date03:22
yuriyat least, a couple of those groups aren't actually there by default and there are probably more than can be added03:23
yuriyhere is the current list, I was looking for someone to help update it: http://dpaste.com/53109/03:24
yuriys/than can/that can03:26
ScottKyuriy: This looks relevant: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Intrepid/DevicePermissions04:13
yuriyScottK: interesting, all those groups are still in Jaunty04:32
ScottKI think that gives you a list to work from.04:32
DaskreeCHAnyone up?04:58
DaskreeCHInstalling from the KDE 4.3 experimental repo and everything installs fine without any hitches but the desktop comes up with no icons at all04:59
DaskreeCHKnown Issue?04:59
DaskreeCHhttp://imagebin.ca/view/Mrg5Xbzp.html04:59
nixternalw00t, apport-qt4 now has pitti's new interactive hooks support :)05:37
nixternalI realized that I still suck at Qt Designer, and itemAt() is your friend in QLayouts when dynamically creating CheckBoxes or RadioButtons05:38
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jussi01DaskreeCH: I think the beta 2 is still building in the ppa, so its missing stuff.06:59
DaskreeCHjussi01: Well Yeah I just noticed it's Beta 2 ;-) And the missing part was kde-icons-oxygen I just installed it and it's fine07:00
DaskreeCH!nvidia07:01
ubottuFor Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto07:01
* Quintasan is off to Warsaw07:01
Quintasansee you on Thursday07:01
DaskreeCHok07:02
DaskreeCHjockey-kde fails in KDE 4.3 saying there is no python module names kdecore07:31
Mamarokmorning everyone08:59
jussi01Mamarok: *wave*09:01
nixternalgood morning09:01
nixternaland almost goodnight....03:0109:01
Mamarokhm, I have one broken dependency with 4.2.90, is that already known?09:03
Mamarok kdeutils: Depends: kde-printer-applet (>= 4:4.2.90-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1) but 4:4.2.85-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa2 is to be installed09:03
MamarokE: Broken packages09:03
nixternalI didn't have any09:05
nixternallet me try a new update and see if I didn't get that earlier09:05
nixternalI must have gotten it earlier...no problems here09:05
gribeluI get it too.. Didn't have kdeutils installed though09:05
gribeluthe rest of 4.2.85 upgraded ok09:06
Mamarokjst solved it, I installed printer-applet which is 4.2.90, that removed kdeutils, no more broken stuff now09:06
Mamaroklet's see if that breaks something in my everyday use09:06
nixternalhehe09:07
gribeluso kde-printer-applet was renamed to printer-applet09:08
gribelubut kdeutils still depends on kde-printer-applet which stayed at 4.2.8509:08
seaLnedid anyone else find 4.3 plasma on jaunty become unstable after the recent updates?09:13
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Riddellshtylman: welcome back!10:12
RiddellTonio_: what's happening with  kopete-facebook?10:16
DaskreeCHseaLne: Just did a fresh install from the repos beta 2 and it's been running fine10:18
DaskreeCHNo Compositing10:18
seaLnei'm thinking i ended up with a part upgrade without noticing last night, so hopefully thats all, installed more stuff this morning and going to reboot when i get a chance10:19
DaskreeCHI instaleld Ubuntu Server added teh experimental repos installed kubuntu and it all came down and installed so far the only thing I've seen go wrong was kde-icons-oxygen wasn't installed10:25
cortex_skDaskreeCH: i had this problem yesterday, today it works10:29
DaskreeCHWell this was a few hours ago10:30
cortex_skthe same package kde-icons-oxygen@karmic10:30
cortex_skPackage: kde-icons-oxygen10:31
cortex_skVersions:10:31
cortex_sk4:4.2.90-0ubuntu110:31
cbrdpkg -i --force-all10:32
cbrit has some file conflict again10:32
cbrone icon in several packages10:32
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nhandlerRiddell: Why isn't the Doodle poll letting me select a time zone?12:41
RiddellI've no idea12:41
nhandlerRiddell: Are the times UTC?12:42
Riddellumm, dunno12:43
RiddellI guess so12:43
Riddellstrange  that it normally does let you choose12:44
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* Nightrose asumed times were UTC12:48
Riddellnixternal: you did the apport stuff pitti was asking for?13:07
JontheEchidnaRiddell: btw, if we can get some nice core-dev to run the batl10n script we'll have KDE 4.3 fully ready for release13:24
JontheEchidna*hint hint* :D13:24
RiddellJontheEchidna: I don't think there are any l10n packages13:25
vorianI can run it, just not upload it13:25
Riddellno there's not13:25
JontheEchidnareally? I thought I saw some for the last beta at least13:25
Riddellno extragear either13:26
vorianyeah, no l10n13:26
JontheEchidnaso what to tell this guy? bug 38350313:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 383503 in kde-l10n-pl "kde-l10n packages are outdated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38350313:27
seelewhat time zone is the pole?13:27
JontheEchidnanot as self explanatory as he claims :/13:27
Riddellseele: UTC we're assuming13:27
vorianJontheEchidna: we could do 4.2.8913:27
seelehmm13:27
JontheEchidnaall of the times go from 9 - midnight here13:28
Riddellvorian: there's  nothing in there either13:28
vorianJontheEchidna: subtract 5 giyrs13:28
JontheEchidna*813:28
vorianoh, that's weird they made the directory then :)13:29
RiddellJontheEchidna: close it, say we're waiting for 4.3 l10n packages to appear13:29
Underlineraccount list13:40
UnderlinerSorry13:41
rgreeningJontheEchidna: ping14:15
rgreeningSo I updated to 4.2.90 yesterday, and my old 4.2.2 kdebindings were removed and no updated was installed. I was left without a kdebindings on my system. This seems wrongs.14:16
rgreeningRiddell: ^14:16
Riddellrgreening: on  karmic?14:17
rgreeningjaunty14:17
Riddellusing ninjas?14:17
rgreeningRiddell: hmm... actually, it may be something else...14:17
rgreeningI simply just do not seem to have pykde4 stuff anymore14:17
rgreeningand it doesn't seem to exist in 4.2.90 bindings packages?14:18
rgreeningapt-cache search pykde414:19
rgreeningpython-kde4 - Python bindings for the KDE 4 libraries14:19
rgreeningapt-cache policy pykde4-kde414:19
rgreeningW: Unable to locate package pykde4-kde414:19
rgreening?14:19
rgreeningRiddell: the PPA I have enabled is kubuntu-ppa/experimental14:20
rgreeningmaybe that's not correct?14:20
Riddellapt-cache policy python-kde414:21
Riddelllex79 made the kdebindings package14:22
rgreeningmaybe it's an issue with ~lp14:23
Riddellthe python-kde4 package in kubuntu-ppa/experimental is empty14:23
rgreeningof thats bad.........14:24
rgreeningguess thats why it's failed for me14:25
RiddellI think we shouldn't  backport kdebindings, it's too much work, the python stuff needs updated sip and pyqt to have a chance of working14:25
rgreeninghmm... now I is hooped :(14:26
rgreeninghave to try and back out...14:26
rgreeningactually Riddell, if it needs the new sip/pyqt, then they should be easily added to the PPA ?14:27
Riddelldisable the archive, apt-get remove python-kde4; apt-get install python-kde414:27
Riddellnothing about kdebindings is easy14:27
rgreeninglol14:27
rgreeningtrue14:27
Riddelland infact is doesn't seem to build with the new soprano14:27
Riddellhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/191661/14:28
rgreeningblarg.. stupid bindings14:28
rgreeningapt-get remove python-kde4; apt-get install kubuntu-desktop (cause it wants to remove 15 packages)14:31
Riddellnow now, we should call it compile challenged, not stupid14:31
rgreeninglol14:31
rgreeningso Riddell, we should delete bindings from PPA to prevent others from experiencing what I have :)14:31
Riddellyes I think so14:33
JontheEchidnashit @ above14:52
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Riddellvorian: you got kdebindings to compile?  it entirely fails here on smoke for soprano15:16
vorianRiddell: yeah15:16
voriansmoke built for me15:16
vorianer15:17
vorianwell, you know what i mean15:17
vorianpython didn't build15:17
voriana couple of scritengines didn't build15:18
Riddellright15:18
Riddellmaybe I should try in a chroot15:18
chrisinajarJontheEchidna: Hello15:34
chrisinajarJontheEchidna: So myself and a friend, brendan0powers, just realized via your kde blog post that we're not the only human beings living in NH15:35
JontheEchidnacool15:37
JontheEchidnaI was wondering myself ;-D15:37
chrisinajarhaha, indeed, where in NH do you live?15:37
* chrisinajar is not an internet stalker, i swear.15:37
JontheEchidnaIn the wilderness around Tilton/Northfield15:38
* brendan0powers is15:38
chrisinajaroh wow, you're way out there15:39
claydohheh, at least here in Maine, I have cable internet :D15:39
chrisinajarwe're in Keene, which is somewhat civilized by comparison15:39
* claydoh has no *buntu neighbors, tho :(15:39
chrisinajarwe're about an hour and a half away :P15:39
chrisinajarclaydoh: that's surprising, there are a lot of insane open source people in maine...15:39
* claydoh loves the Keene area15:40
chrisinajaryeah, we rock :P15:40
claydohtho I only was there once I loved it there15:40
brendan0powerswe go up to main fairly frequently15:40
brendan0powersim with chrisinajar btw15:40
claydohI live up north in bangor, the "real" maine :)15:40
chrisinajarwe are, in fact, about 3 feet away right now.15:40
brendan0powerswe were in main on saturday in fact15:41
chrisinajarhmmm... the name sounds really familiar...15:41
brendan0powersdoing a hackfest for open1to115:41
brendan0powersclaydoh: www.open1to1.org15:41
chrisinajarwe were up in vasselboro, which i have no idea what that's near.15:41
brendan0powersif you live in main, you may be interested in it15:41
JontheEchidnaI have been made fun of for my pronunciation of bangor v.v15:42
chrisinajarJontheEchidna: i have no idea how to pronounce it so....15:42
chrisinajarJontheEchidna: we new hampshirites get made fun of a lot for how we speak :P15:42
JontheEchidnaapparently if you make it sound too much like "bang her", even a little, bangor dudes laugh15:42
claydohBan-go-ah, or ban-goh15:42
chrisinajarlike our uncontrollable compulsions to say "wicked" constantly15:43
JontheEchidnaI'm not a native, so I don't have the New Hampsha/Maine/Mass accent15:43
JontheEchidnamy brother caught that "wicked" stuff15:43
chrisinajarit's like tourettes or something15:43
JontheEchidnalol15:43
JontheEchidnaMoved up here from VA 5 years ago15:43
chrisinajarorly, are you here for school or something?15:43
chrisinajaroh, ok15:43
JontheEchidnaMy dad had to relocate for his job15:44
JontheEchidnaand I'm homeschooled (senior year)15:44
chrisinajarso you probably talk about %70 slower than everyone here :P15:44
claydohVassalboro is a few hours away for me15:44
JontheEchidnaI have managed to maintain a fairly accent-neutral speech pattern :}15:44
* claydoh tries, but accent pops out once in a while15:44
chrisinajari've lived in NH all my life, so i talk like a retard15:45
brendan0powersha15:45
JontheEchidnalol15:45
* claydoh was a military brat and picked up all sorts of accents15:45
brendan0powersit takes us about 5 hours to get to bangor15:45
chrisinajarwhich is......... fun......15:45
brendan0powersyep15:45
brendan0powersvasleboro was only 3.515:46
chrisinajarat least it's not the 7 hours to BAH HABAH15:46
claydohbangor is about 5 hours away from a lot of interesting things15:46
chrisinajarindeed15:46
chrisinajara trait shared by most of maine :P15:46
claydoh7?15:46
claydohtook the long way then15:46
chrisinajarit might have been closer to 6 or 6.515:47
chrisinajari dunno15:47
chrisinajar"really really long"15:47
brendan0powersyea, the LTSP meetings is there every year15:48
brendan0powersits pretty awsome15:48
chrisinajarit is indeed15:48
brendan0powersall you can eat lobster:)15:48
claydohewww15:48
brendan0powersdon't like lobster?15:48
chrisinajardoesn't that make you not from maine if you don't like lobster?15:49
chrisinajari figured you'd be evicted or something15:49
Riddellvorian: compiles in a chroot, most strange15:49
chrisinajar*excuse me, sir, there have been reports that you don't like labstah*15:49
Riddellvorian: I'll see if I can get pykde back again now15:49
claydohchrisinajar: its in my blood, tho born in AK, my grandfather and mother  both hated lobstah15:49
chrisinajarah15:50
claydohthey were true mainahs15:50
claydohI was merely conceived here :)15:50
claydohas we stray wayy ot and annoy the people doing real work here :)15:51
brendan0powersclaydoh: JontheEchidna: what sort of kubuntu developement do you do?15:51
JontheEchidnahum, interesting question. I'm sorta all over the place15:52
JontheEchidnabug triaging, packaging, bug fixing15:52
brendan0powersbug fixing is always good:)15:52
* claydoh is just a hanger-on of sorts, woork in the forum and mailing lists15:52
brendan0powerscool15:53
brendan0powerswe have a kubuntu based thin client company15:54
claydohcool!15:54
brendan0powersyea, its pretty fun15:54
brendan0powerswe sell to education15:54
brendan0powersand have customers all over new england15:55
brendan0powersstill stuck on kde 3.5 though15:55
chrisinajarincluding quite a few in maine ;)15:55
brendan0powersI'm a little nervous about moving to kde415:56
brendan0powerswe have a bunch of policies and whatnot15:57
brendan0powersand we have to use old hardware15:57
Riddellclaydoh: helping on forums and mailing lists is a critical kubuntu contributor function!15:57
JontheEchidnaWell, if KDE3 works... I doubt kids need desktop effects15:57
JontheEchidna;-)15:57
JontheEchidnanot to cheapen KDE4 down to desktop effects or anything...15:57
brendan0powersIts true, however, kde3.5 is not supported by kubuntu any more15:58
brendan0powersso its hard to stick with15:58
JontheEchidnaoh, yeah. There's that15:58
chrisinajaryeah, there are a few benifits we want... like being able to upgrade kubutntu past hardy :P15:58
claydohRiddell: thanks :) but I am not a dev, in the sense of code, you coders/packagers/smart people rock!15:58
Riddellclaydoh: no point coding if people get stuck when they try to use it15:58
claydohRiddell: true, but you guys still rock and I love you all15:59
chrisinajarit's true... the non-coders are just as important as the coders... community wise, more so.15:59
chrisinajarwell, it's awesome that there are *buntu people up here in the middle of nowhere :P16:01
Riddell#kubuntu-devel is the centre of the universe!16:02
claydohyes it is16:02
brendan0powersJontheEchidna: so your school year should be over soon, right?16:07
JontheEchidnasoon16:07
JontheEchidnaI did start a few classes a bit late16:07
brendan0powersdo you have any plans for college16:08
chrisinajarJontheEchidna: are you going into your senior year or are you in your senior, and finishing off school now?16:08
JontheEchidnathey're still being formulated16:08
JontheEchidnaI'm finishing off high school16:08
JontheEchidnabbl, lunch16:10
rgreeningmiddle of nowhere.. try Newfoundland :)16:10
rgreeningIm on an island... the only dev here16:10
brendan0powersmy grandmother was from newfoundland16:10
chrisinajara monopoly!16:10
rgreening:P16:10
rgreeningbrendan0powers: cool16:11
brendan0powersbut yea, that kinda sucks16:11
rgreeningbrendan0powers: what was her maiden name?16:11
brendan0powersI don't actually know...16:11
rgreeninglol16:11
rgreeningganny16:11
rgreeninggranny even16:11
rgreening:)16:12
brendan0powersha16:12
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brendan0powersyea16:12
rgreeningDon't get me wrong, I love it here... but its a pain to travel for sure16:12
brendan0powersyea, I bet16:12
rgreeningbeing an island helps keep the rif-raff away too16:13
rgreening:P16:13
brendan0powersmy grandparents used to drive up there once a year16:13
brendan0powerstook quite a while16:13
chrisinajarrif-raff eh?16:13
rgreeningbwahaha16:13
chrisinajarrif-raff.... are you from the 50's with a handlebar mustache? :P16:14
brendan0powersnewfoundland is at least 50 years behind16:14
chrisinajarhahaha16:14
chrisinajari guess it's reasonable then :P16:14
brendan0powersoh yea, since I'm in this channel, I have a question:)16:15
brendan0powersdoes anyone know how to prevent users from doing a distrobution upgrade,(hardy to intrepid, etc...)16:15
brendan0powersfrom synaptic?16:16
brendan0powersI'd like to allow our users to do there own updates, but if they upgraded to intrepid, everything would break:)16:16
chrisinajareverything16:16
brendan0powersit happened once, and the user was in the hospital for 3 weeks16:18
rgreeningno handlebar's, but I once has one that was coined a 'porno mustache'... wife made me shave it off :P16:18
brendan0powersit was awful:)16:18
nixternalRiddell: ya, the apport stuff is done16:18
rgreeningoh, and 50 year's behind is definately not the case... we actually had the first high speed cable internet in canada, I helped build and deploy it.16:19
rgreeningThat was 13 yrs ago16:19
chrisinajarthat's pretty cool, must have been interesting to work on16:20
rgreeningit was. I had to do the core network, develop the apps and they all ran under Linux :)16:20
rgreeningback then, we had to build stuff from source a lot.. :)16:21
chrisinajari would assume as much, it would have been awful if they ran under windows... oh man would that have been awesome...16:21
rgreeninglol.. trumpet winsock to the rescue.. NOT!16:21
chrisinajarshit, someone's using all of the pipe on a netmeeting!16:21
chrisinajar(the greatest app windows ever wrote... multiplayer mspaint...)16:22
Riddellnixternal: second green spot on Todo goes to you! :)16:22
rgreening*g*16:22
nixternalyay \o/16:22
nixternalgotta reboot, kernel upgrade on the server! brb16:22
rgreeningRiddell: what's UDS Creator on TODO? :) is that USB creator?16:24
Riddellrgreening: umm, I may have made a thinko, feel free to fix16:29
rgreening:)16:29
rgreeningdone and updated. I have noted where the ~lp is for the work thus far.16:29
jussi01*g* "a thinko" :D16:29
rgreeningRiddell: usb-creator-kde is going to take a while... just so you know. It is a relatively bog port, as lost's of differences from old version 0.1.15 to 0.2.0 (unreleased)16:31
rgreenings/bog/big/16:32
rgreenings/lost/lots/16:32
nixternalRiddell: I guess I will take apport stuff for the rest of the TODO list items16:33
Riddellnixternal: talk to yuriy if you're unsure of anything16:38
nixternalgoing to start the pyqt->pykde conversion16:38
nixternalits a super easy codebase, nice and clean, self documenting really16:39
Riddellvorian: awooga, pykde working16:40
Riddellnixternal: excellent16:40
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yuriydoes making a KCM in python no longer require a cpp?17:15
yuriyi'm looking at system-config-printer for an example17:15
Riddellyuriy: right, not c++ involved17:15
Simeyuriy: nope17:15
yuriyso i need to extend KCModule, and then?17:16
Riddellthere's an example in kdebindings/python/pykde4/tools/kcmodule_example/17:16
Riddellmoan, kdebindings takes ages to build17:25
nixternalRiddell: what advantage(s) do we gain by porting apport-qt to apport-kde?17:41
nixternalseeing as all of the widgets in the gui are QLabel, QCheckBox, and QRadioButton17:42
SimeRiddell: are you building beta 2 bindings?17:42
RiddellSime: yep, just got it done17:44
SimeRiddell: and the polkitqt support is included?17:44
Riddellnixternal: that it uses oxygen by default, sometimes it doesn't17:44
nixternalinteresting17:44
RiddellSime: no still on the todo list for now I'm afraid (rushing to get it in for karmic alpha 2 freeze)17:44
nixternalis that why I have witnessed an ugly dialog every now and then?17:44
SimeRiddell: it should be fairly trivial.17:45
nixternallooks like it might be a gtk dialog, or just a big blocky dialog17:45
SimeRiddell: another Q, how long does it take for it to show up in karmic updates?17:46
* Sime has been testing polkit stuff on karmic.17:46
RiddellSime: a few hours yet, it'll need to wait for python-qt4 to compile first17:46
SimeRiddell: cool17:47
RiddellSime: poke me on monday if I havn't aaded the polkit stuff by then17:47
Nightrosehmmm I can't update linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic17:49
Nightroseas they are held back17:49
Nightroseanyone got an idea what the problem is there currently?17:50
RiddellNightrose: jaunty? karmic?  how upgrading?17:51
Nightrosejaunty17:51
Nightroseapt-get upgrade17:51
Riddelltry a dist-upgrade ?17:51
Nightrosei tried that yesterday - didn't work - once this update finished here i can tell you which version it wants17:52
NightroseRiddell: linux-restricted-modules-generic: Depends: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.28-13-generic but it is not installable17:56
Nightrosethe package doesn't seem to exist17:56
RiddellNightrose: apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-generic  ?18:05
RiddellNightrose: oh, there it is, stuck in jaunty propssed18:08
Nightrosehttp://pastebin.ca/145394718:09
Nightroseyea i have proposed enabled18:09
rgreeningRiddell: in PyQt, whats the best way to group ui elements so I can enable/disable in one group?18:09
rgreeningI was trying QVBoxLayout, only to relize it only disables the layout and not the items in it.18:10
rgreeningdoh18:10
Riddellrgreening: what's the layout attached to?18:11
Riddellthe layout must be attached to a widget which can be disabled18:11
RiddellNightrose: ok accepted those now, should appear in an hour or so on the archive18:13
Nightrosethx :)18:14
rgreeningRiddell: it's part of the main QDialog, but I only wish to disable the stuff in the layout. THe QDialog is the main window18:18
yuriyhow do I either get cmake to install to /usr instead of /usr/local (feels like a stupid question) or get system settings to pick up things in /usr/local?18:30
rgreeningRiddell: I got it. I used designer to morph it into a QFrame.. that works.18:30
yuriyRiddell: also, any reason system-config-printer is not using python_install? or does the regular install take care of byte compiling and all now?18:32
Riddellyuriy: python_install?18:33
Riddellyuriy: cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr /path/to/build18:34
yuriythat didn't seem to do it, but i may need to clean up18:35
yuriyRiddell: http://api.kde.org/cmake/modules.html#module_PythonMacros18:35
yuriycleaning up did it18:41
lex79Riddell: can you look konversation alpha3 in my ppa? https://edge.launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/ppa18:44
lex79thx18:45
Riddellyuriy: maybe PYTHON_INSTALL() didn't exist when I wrote the CMakeLists.txt I'm not sure, as a distro it's not very interesting as the .pyc generation should be done during package install not package build18:58
Riddelllex79: doing18:59
lex79thanks :)19:00
Riddell    - use include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/makefiles/1/cdbs/kde.mk19:01
Riddelllex79: what does Debian use?19:01
Riddelloh, debhelper 7?19:01
lex79sec19:01
nixternalhrmm, trying to figure out the best way of doing the pyqt->pykde conversion19:01
nixternalit can't be as easy as converting the QApplication to a KApplication19:02
Riddellnixternal: that's about it.  kapplication needs the kaboutdata stuff too19:02
lex79Riddell: in rules there is include debian/debhelper/kde.mk19:02
lex79and include /usr/share/quilt/quilt.make19:03
lex79and DH = dh --with quilt19:03
Riddellright, that won't work for  our .pot generation indeed19:04
Riddellalthough they seem to  be doing more packages  with debhelper, I guess I should learn something about it19:04
Riddelllex79: uploaded!19:04
lex79thanks Riddell, last version (alpha2) had problems, the patches were not applied19:05
lex79JontheEchidna: bzr should be update ;)19:10
lex79JontheEchidna: maybe we can look for fix this bug in experimental, launchpad bug 37756019:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 377560 in digikam "[karmic] Digikam does not display anything in the main pane" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37756019:11
yuriythis isn't working and I can't find where s-c-p-k is putting it's desktop file to compare with what's working on my system19:18
yuriywhen running with kcmshell4 it's failing to import things that work just fine just running the python19:21
Riddelltomsdale: it's  in /usr/share/kde4/services/system-config-printer-kde.desktop19:22
Riddellhmm, no19:22
Riddellyuriy: it's  in /usr/share/kde4/services/system-config-printer-kde.desktop19:22
Riddellhaving said that it's not actually working currently in karmic19:23
Riddellyuriy: got code somewhere I can look at?19:23
Riddellyuriy: did you  get the example from kdebindings working?19:23
Riddellexample is working fine for me19:25
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rgreeningRiddell: kdelibs5-dbg seems stuck at 4.2.2 in jaunty from the PPA... strange19:26
Riddell  Candidate: 4:4.2.90-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa119:27
Riddellrgreening: not here19:27
rgreeningoh, right.. duh, remember I had to disable the archive earlier due to kdebindings in PPA...19:28
* rgreening needs sleep19:28
Riddellwhich should now  be deleted19:28
rgreeningawesome...19:28
* rgreening reenables PPA19:28
rgreeningI hate KCrash....19:29
Riddellhello ruphy19:31
yuriyRiddell: on jaunty it seems to be /usr/share/applications/kde4/kcm-scpk.desktop actually19:32
Riddellyuriy: no, that's old19:34
* shtylman recompiling OO ... again....19:35
yuriyexample works fine19:35
Riddellyuriy: hmm, you're right, it is there19:36
Riddellyuriy: I must have renamed it for 4.3 but not for jaunty19:36
DaskreeCHcan someone confirm that jockey-kde throws  a No module neamed kdecore fatal error?19:39
yuriyit's just that one import, so must be the code19:39
RiddellDaskreeCH: sounds like you don't have (a working) python-kde4 installed19:42
DaskreeCHWell it's certainly installed19:42
Riddellwhere from?19:42
yuriyconflicting module names :)19:42
DaskreeCHAnd this is a clean machine Ubuntu server install then pulled in Beta 2 packages19:42
DaskreeCHExperimental PPA19:43
rgreeningDaskreeCH: downgrade kdebindings to 4.2.219:43
RiddellDaskreeCH: known broken19:43
DaskreeCHSorry should have mentioned KDE 4.3 :)19:43
rgreening4.2.90 was buggered and has been deleted19:43
rgreeningkdebindings I mean19:43
DaskreeCHAh Ok  cool Just wanted to know if it was known19:43
rgreeningI had same issue19:43
rgreening:)19:43
DaskreeCHTrying to go through all the modules and apps to see if they break19:43
DaskreeCHbeta testing ftw \o/19:44
DaskreeCHWe really shuld have a testing script that tries to run all the default apps to see if they work19:44
lex79rgreening: my fantastic kdebindings package :D19:44
rgreening:P not your fault.. kdebindings is a beast.19:44
rgreeningpython-kde4 was empty19:44
rgreeningso it never built correclty19:45
lex79yeah, I read ^^^19:45
yuriyRiddell: got it sort of working -- only works when launching systemsettings from the command line and doesn't get embedded19:51
Artemis_Fowlhow often does Launchpad's PPAs run the build process?19:54
Artemis_FowlI mean I just uploaded a package, when will it be ready? days, hours, minutes?19:54
jussi01Artemis_Fowl: depends on the queue19:58
jussi01Artemis_Fowl: afaik, they are built immediataly if there is no queue19:59
txwikinger_work<sniff> My plasma always plays up20:00
Artemis_Fowljussi01: ok20:00
jussi01txwikinger_work: aww20:01
rgreeningok, I've just realized how useless KCrash is after installing all dbg no help.. grr20:01
shtylmanrgreening: how goes the usb creator?20:02
txwikinger_workAll the panels start to be blank20:02
txwikinger_workI have to kill and restart it20:02
shtylmantxwikinger_work: I have the same problem in 4.2 with nvidia card20:02
txwikinger_workI have it with intel20:02
txwikinger_worktwo different intels actually20:03
shtylmantxwikinger_work: have you tried 4.3? I am told it has been fixed for intel in 4.320:03
txwikinger_workseem to be adapter independent20:03
txwikinger_workI have 4.2.2 here 4.2.3 on the other one20:03
txwikinger_workIs 4.3 already stable?20:03
rgreeningshtylman: well... except for the KCrash on insert of USB sticks...20:03
rgreeningshtylman: want to take a look at the code?20:04
shtylmanheh...oh my....20:04
shtylmansure20:04
shtylmanis it on lp?20:04
rgreeningyep, under ~kubuntu-members20:04
rgreening1 sec..20:04
shtylmank20:04
rgreeningshtylman: bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-members/usb-creator/kde-frontend20:05
rgreeningif you want to run it local, it's a bit hoaky... you need to cp ./bin/usb-creator-kde . and ./gui/usbcreator.ui .20:06
rgreeningif you don't insert a usb stick, you can do pretty much evertything... except install :)20:07
shtylmank20:07
rgreeningstill lots of FIME comments in the code :)20:07
rgreeningoh, 1 sec.. let me push latest first...20:07
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shtylmank20:08
rgreeningshtylman: ok, updated branch20:11
shtylmanrgreening: ok fetched...how do I run it again?20:12
rgreeningcd into the branch20:12
rgreeningcp ./bin/usb-creator-kde .20:12
rgreeningcp ./gui/usbcreator.ui .20:13
rgreening./usb-creator-kde20:13
rgreeningshould do it20:13
rgreeningshould prompt for kdesudo password20:13
shtylman '/home/rgreening/Source/ninjas/karmic/usb-creator/usb-creator/usb-creator-kde'] ... that path does not exist on my machine :)20:13
rgreening1 sec...20:13
shtylmanno worries...I can fix it here...just sharing :)20:14
shtylmanyou should just use the current file name20:14
rgreeningI forgot to change that back... was testing...20:14
rgreeningoops20:14
nixternaljust did an interview for datacenter type work, which I haven't done since the 90s, and I haven't maintained a Windows box since then, never messed with IIS..One question was "You need to restart IIS, how do you do it?"  I answered "Right click on My Computer, select Manager, in that window right click on IIS, and select restart"  Pulled that answer from my arse and it was correct!20:14
nixternalmy next response was "If it is a Windows question, my answer is right click, no need to ask any more Windows questions." :)20:15
shtylmanrgreening: indeed...it does crash :)20:18
rgreeningya20:18
shtylmanrgreening: where does it put the log files?20:19
rgreeningI can't seem to figure out that... I don't think it's working correctly. That's part of the "porting"20:20
rgreeningseems to want env vars set... but doesn't seem to work.20:20
rgreeningshtylman: seems the logs only get written if it doesn't KCrash20:21
rgreeningpossibly...20:21
shtylmanI see20:21
shtylmanrgreening: does it happen if a key is already in the port?20:23
rgreeningyep20:23
yuriyoh, are root-only modules just broken in system settings in jaunty?20:24
yuriythey don't embed themselves20:24
ryanakcargreening: Ping, did you ever get that laptop out?20:26
rgreeningryanakca: oh crap. I totally forgot. can you e-mail me.. Once I get home I always check my mail :) roderick DOT greening AT gmail DOT com20:28
ryanakcargreening: Aye, will do20:28
rgreeningkk20:28
DaskreeCHnixternal: Ha ha ha :-) Hooray for consistency :)20:33
jjessenixternal: start -> run iisreset also works20:34
nixternaljjesse: Kubuntu CD20:35
nixternalthen: start -> reboot20:36
jjessenixternal: nice20:36
rgreeningformat c: or fdisk /mbr20:36
nixternalno need for that, Grub will take care of that with the Kubuntu CD :)20:37
yuriystill working out the kinks with system settings embedding, but: http://www.yktech.us/temp/userconfig-systemsettings.png20:41
rgreeningshtylman: any ideas?20:54
shtylmanrgreening: backend.py20:54
shtylmanline 22620:54
shtylmanself.timeouts[udi] = gobject.timeout_add(UPDATE_FREE_INTERVAL,20:54
shtylman                                                         self.update_free, udi)20:54
shtylmanthat is the culprit...20:54
shtylmanif you comment him out...the crash goes away20:55
shtylmanI am trying to figure out why though20:55
rgreeninghmm.... I wonder why it works under the gtk version20:55
shtylmanit may lead to discovery of other problem20:55
shtylmanare you not sending something back to the backend?20:55
rgreeningnot that I can see...20:57
rgreeningI'm pretty sure I have mirrored everything that needs to be done at a minimum20:58
shtylmank20:58
JontheEchidnayuriy: not embedding themselves is intentional, so that they can be run as root via kdesudo21:00
yuriyJontheEchidna: well that's separate, no? if I click the icon in system settings, i want it in there21:02
yuriyor is that just a workaround to get it to work with kdesudo at all?21:02
JontheEchidnayes21:03
yuriywell that's unpleasant21:03
JontheEchidnaotherwise we could not give it root permissions21:03
JontheEchidnapolicykit should alleviate this in the future21:03
yuriynext on the todo then, policykit21:04
JontheEchidna;-)21:04
yuriymeanwhile, have to figure out why it's crashing when run from the menu21:04
rgreeningshtylman: if you figure somethin gout, let me know. I have to drop off for a while (feel free to e-mail me (my address is in the copyright file :P ).21:05
shtylmanrgreening: will do21:05
rgreeningty21:05
rgreeningIts definately a gobject issue interacting with pyqt.. and not in the update_free function (I blieve)21:05
Simeyuriy: BTW, I've been working on getting the polkitqt example ported to oython.21:05
rgreeninglater21:05
yuriySime: cool. Any ideas why a module might work when system settings is run from the command line and not from the menu? Or how to get a python trace out of it?21:06
Simeyuriy: the first thing I would do is run it with strace and check where libpython is coming from and the other mods.21:08
yuriySime: but my problem is that it works fine when run from the command line, so how would I do that?21:09
Simeyuriy: system-settings works from the command line??21:10
yuriySime: as in I can run systemsettings from the command line, and then the module works21:15
Simeyuriy: but from the menu fails.21:15
yuriythink i got it, working directory issue21:16
* yuriy kicks himself to not run things from where all the code is sitting21:17
Sime:)21:19
DaskreeCHbtw is kuser broken? It won't embed into system settings21:30
MamarokDaskreeCH: I don't think it ever was in systemsettings, only in the System menu group21:32
harolddongkopete and lancelot take up gobs of cpu with these new packages.21:42
yuriyso on my Jaunty machine, I can have some kde widgets in my .ui files, but on karmic I get an error21:47
yuriyany idea what package i need for that21:47
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yuriyRiddell: ^?21:56
JontheEchidnathe apport retracing service is going bonkers21:58
JontheEchidnaor just retracign really olde bugs that I happen to be assigned to21:59
JontheEchidnaor removing core dumps from duplicates21:59
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Riddellyuriy: /should/ just be python-kde4 with /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/PyQt4/uic/widget-plugins/kde4.py22:05
Riddellbut that may well be broken in karmic currently22:06
yuriyRiddell: hmm that's there22:08
Riddellyuriy: what are you developing anyway?22:09
yuriyuserconfig :) i posted a screenshot earlier22:10
yuriyhttp://www.yktech.us/temp/userconfig-systemsettings.png22:10
yuriyjust about done, need some help packaging now22:11
flacostei'm trying out the new amarok 2.1, and does any one know how the media device support is supposed to work?22:13
flacostespecifically, i have an iPod touch22:13
flacostei downgraded from amarok 2 to 1.4 to have it working22:13
flacostebut read that 2.1 improved iPod support22:13
flacostebut i cannot find any info on how it's supposed to work22:13
yuriywhat's with the times for the meeting? all 8-11 pm here22:14
nixternalhrmm, what was rgreening talking about kcrash earlier?22:18
nixternalfinally got the kde version of apport running, but it goes right into a kcrash and i wasn't sure if the issue might be somewhere else before I dig into it more22:18
yuriyas in the application crashes and goes into kcrash or as in the apport front end crashes and then you get kcrash for that?22:19
yuriythe latter would be ironic22:19
nixternalmy app is crashing, which is apport-* :)22:19
nixternalKCrash: Application '' crashing...22:20
nixternalsock_file=/home/nixternal/.kde/socket-ShakaDoobie/kdeinit4__022:20
JontheEchidnaawesome @ userconfig22:22
JontheEchidnaand it only took three developers two dev cycles :P22:22
JontheEchidnathe thing is, I know that when I last touched it things sorta "worked" but there were several debilitating bugs. But now I can't remember what those are...22:24
JontheEchidnabut I am too lazy to downgrade from the broken python-kde4 packages I have now to do any python testing :P22:25
JontheEchidnaI suppose that means I should look in to forking gtk-qt-engine's config module since its C++22:29
yuriyJontheEchidna: well, i've been working on it for about a week. it's all model/viewified now and I don't *think* there are any debilitating bugs22:30
JontheEchidnanice, awesome work22:30
yuriynow for the packaging...22:32
* yuriy looks around22:32
yuriyJontheEchidna: what's that about broken python-kde4? is that why this isn't running in karmic?22:34
JontheEchidnaoh, the packages that we were working on included empty python-kde4 packages22:36
JontheEchidnasince we didn't build python-kde422:37
JontheEchidnabut we caught it and disabled the packaging before uploading to karmic22:37
JontheEchidnapykde apps using dbus are broken currently, though22:38
yuriywhat should go in COPYING for gpl v2+? or is that just up to me now22:46
Riddellcp /usr/share/common-licences/GPL-2 COPYING22:46
Riddelloh wow, userconfig working!22:47
Riddellyuriy: what codebase did you start from with userconfig?23:17
JontheEchidnawow, my kcm compiles second try :D23:19
JontheEchidnaheh, doesn't work though23:20
yuriyRiddell: the bzr branch we were working on last year23:23
yuriyhttps://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/guidance/userconfig-kde423:23
yuriyI checked, the SVN branch hasn't been touched since it was created23:23
JontheEchidna...because I'm not installing the kcm .so23:24
JontheEchidnawoohoo, it works23:29
JontheEchidnajust needs a bit of polish23:29
JontheEchidnaand we might wanna put in some colorscheme config23:29
yuriyJontheEchidna: what works?23:29
JontheEchidnayuriy: standalone gtk appearance config module23:30
yuriyoh nice23:30
JontheEchidnaI took gtk-qt-engine's and am stripping away the gtk-qt-engine specific parts of it23:30
JontheEchidnawe may want to advocate its removal from the archives since it is way buggy and unmaintained23:31
JontheEchidnait being gtk-qt-engine23:31
JontheEchidnahttp://imagebin.ca/view/bGLBgf.html23:33
JontheEchidnathat radio button needs to go23:34
yuriyRiddell: can you (or whoever) help with packaging this?23:38

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