[00:09] Riddell: will fill out spec...just got back from a few days at the beach === rickspencer31 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [00:36] JontheEchidna: your weather desktop should turn a really nasty weather for tornador warnings and thunderstorm warnings like we are underhere [01:28] jussi01: I think things should be better now :) [01:30] yo [01:31] yo [01:32] where do we stand? [01:32] lex and I (but mostly lex) ripped through backports today [01:32] kdeedu is all that's left [01:32] sheesh [01:32] that's awesome [01:32] 1) We are on time [01:33] 2) The packages dont' suck this time [01:33] :D [01:33] == awesome [01:33] it feels good to actually have time to help this time [01:33] or this round [01:41] lex79: you should poke riddell or scottk to sponsor your konvi 1.2 alpha3 package [01:42] otherwise it'll never be uploaded ;-) [01:46] is kubuntu karmic netbook edition going to be a separate install or an option during install? [01:57] Hello. Wanted to enquire if anyone knows if 10.04 will be an LTS for Kubuntu? (since 8.04 isn't) === flacoste is now known as flacoste_afk === flacoste_afk is now known as flacoste [01:58] bug 385005 [01:58] Launchpad bug 385005 in kdebase "kdebase ate my bases" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/385005 [01:59] lol === k4v is now known as m4v [02:00] ScottK: can you look here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/ppa [02:00] ScottK: to sponsor konversation? thanks [02:02] vorian: "Resolved: OM NOM NOM NOM" [02:02] yeah, see -bugs [02:03] the channel or the ml? [02:03] channel [02:03] figures I don't idle there anymore [02:04] but you are the king of bugs [02:05] I'd use -bugs-announce if anything [02:05] I dun need no silly interaction wit humans for boogs [02:06] >:3 [02:06] yah, silly humans [02:07] ok [02:07] so my grapics card on my desktop blew up today [02:07] mah bug/dev window: http://imagebin.ca/view/B1bjY4c2.html [02:07] geeeeeforce 8600 [02:07] what's an awesome card to get these days? [02:08] um [02:08] not a Geforce 4 MX 440 [02:08] I'd stick with nvidia tho [02:08] yeah <3 nvidia [02:12] kdebase captured my horsemen [02:12] fantastic :) [02:12] :-/ [02:15] kdebase sunk my battleship [02:18] out o' curiosity, watcha testing? [02:18] *whatcha [02:18] the test failed [02:19] by about 2 months [02:19] time travel experiments? [02:19] yes [02:19] zomg! [02:21] http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?ISList=14-121-309-S01%2c14-121-309-S02%2c14-121-309-S04%2c14-121-309-S03%2c14-121-309-S05&S7ImageFlag=1&Item=N82E16814121309&Depa=0&WaterMark=1&Description=ASUS%20GeForce%20GTS%20250%20ENGTS250%20DK%2fHTDI%2f1GD3%20Video%20Card%20-%20Retail [02:21] whoa! [02:21] sorry [02:54] seele: It'll have to be a separate install. [02:59] ScottK: Did you ever get around to signing my key? [02:59] ryanakca: I have not done any of them yet. [02:59] ScottK: OK [03:00] It's been a bit busy as I left for a business trip on Sunday after getting home from UDS on Saturday and I'm still on the subsequent trip. [03:01] ScottK: Fun fun :) [03:13] we in on this branding thing? [03:13] We need someone to work our end of it. [03:14] * ScottK thinks it is a good idea, but is not volunteering. [03:15] our end of it == artwork? [03:15] * yuriy doesn't know of any artists in here other than kwwii [03:16] ScottK: hmm.. i'm not sure if enough of kde will be optimized for netbooks by then to make a difference [03:16] seele: Tonio_ has been working on an alternate set of default settings. [03:21] somebody here know the system groups on ubuntu well? [03:21] ScottK? [03:21] Dunno about well. What's your question? [03:22] in userconfig there is a view that shows groups as "privileges" in easier terms [03:22] there is a hardcoded dictionary as to what these are, and it's out of date [03:23] at least, a couple of those groups aren't actually there by default and there are probably more than can be added [03:24] here is the current list, I was looking for someone to help update it: http://dpaste.com/53109/ [03:26] s/than can/that can [04:13] yuriy: This looks relevant: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Intrepid/DevicePermissions [04:32] ScottK: interesting, all those groups are still in Jaunty [04:32] I think that gives you a list to work from. [04:58] Anyone up? [04:59] Installing from the KDE 4.3 experimental repo and everything installs fine without any hitches but the desktop comes up with no icons at all [04:59] Known Issue? [04:59] http://imagebin.ca/view/Mrg5Xbzp.html [05:37] w00t, apport-qt4 now has pitti's new interactive hooks support :) [05:38] I realized that I still suck at Qt Designer, and itemAt() is your friend in QLayouts when dynamically creating CheckBoxes or RadioButtons === milian_ is now known as milian === milian is now known as milian_ === milian_ is now known as milian [06:59] DaskreeCH: I think the beta 2 is still building in the ppa, so its missing stuff. [07:00] jussi01: Well Yeah I just noticed it's Beta 2 ;-) And the missing part was kde-icons-oxygen I just installed it and it's fine [07:01] !nvidia [07:01] For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto [07:01] * Quintasan is off to Warsaw [07:01] see you on Thursday [07:02] ok [07:31] jockey-kde fails in KDE 4.3 saying there is no python module names kdecore [08:59] morning everyone [09:01] Mamarok: *wave* [09:01] good morning [09:01] and almost goodnight....03:01 [09:03] hm, I have one broken dependency with 4.2.90, is that already known? [09:03] kdeutils: Depends: kde-printer-applet (>= 4:4.2.90-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1) but 4:4.2.85-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa2 is to be installed [09:03] E: Broken packages [09:05] I didn't have any [09:05] let me try a new update and see if I didn't get that earlier [09:05] I must have gotten it earlier...no problems here [09:05] I get it too.. Didn't have kdeutils installed though [09:06] the rest of 4.2.85 upgraded ok [09:06] jst solved it, I installed printer-applet which is 4.2.90, that removed kdeutils, no more broken stuff now [09:06] let's see if that breaks something in my everyday use [09:07] hehe [09:08] so kde-printer-applet was renamed to printer-applet [09:08] but kdeutils still depends on kde-printer-applet which stayed at 4.2.85 [09:13] did anyone else find 4.3 plasma on jaunty become unstable after the recent updates? === NCommander is now known as ApportRetracerPo === ApportRetracerPo is now known as NCommander === Nightrose_ is now known as Nightrose [10:12] shtylman: welcome back! [10:16] Tonio_: what's happening with kopete-facebook? [10:18] seaLne: Just did a fresh install from the repos beta 2 and it's been running fine [10:18] No Compositing [10:19] i'm thinking i ended up with a part upgrade without noticing last night, so hopefully thats all, installed more stuff this morning and going to reboot when i get a chance [10:25] I instaleld Ubuntu Server added teh experimental repos installed kubuntu and it all came down and installed so far the only thing I've seen go wrong was kde-icons-oxygen wasn't installed [10:29] DaskreeCH: i had this problem yesterday, today it works [10:30] Well this was a few hours ago [10:30] the same package kde-icons-oxygen@karmic [10:31] Package: kde-icons-oxygen [10:31] Versions: [10:31] 4:4.2.90-0ubuntu1 [10:32] dpkg -i --force-all [10:32] it has some file conflict again [10:32] one icon in several packages === _lubyou is now known as lubyou === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Meeting scheduling http://www.doodle.com/gnrcikfvukhxce2s | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo [12:41] Riddell: Why isn't the Doodle poll letting me select a time zone? [12:41] I've no idea [12:42] Riddell: Are the times UTC? [12:43] umm, dunno [12:43] I guess so [12:44] strange that it normally does let you choose === Pici is now known as ZarroBoogs === ZarroBoogs is now known as Pici [12:48] * Nightrose asumed times were UTC [13:07] nixternal: you did the apport stuff pitti was asking for? [13:24] Riddell: btw, if we can get some nice core-dev to run the batl10n script we'll have KDE 4.3 fully ready for release [13:24] *hint hint* :D [13:25] JontheEchidna: I don't think there are any l10n packages [13:25] I can run it, just not upload it [13:25] no there's not [13:25] really? I thought I saw some for the last beta at least [13:26] no extragear either [13:26] yeah, no l10n [13:27] so what to tell this guy? bug 383503 [13:27] Launchpad bug 383503 in kde-l10n-pl "kde-l10n packages are outdated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/383503 [13:27] what time zone is the pole? [13:27] not as self explanatory as he claims :/ [13:27] seele: UTC we're assuming [13:27] JontheEchidna: we could do 4.2.89 [13:27] hmm [13:28] all of the times go from 9 - midnight here [13:28] vorian: there's nothing in there either [13:28] JontheEchidna: subtract 5 giyrs [13:28] *8 [13:29] oh, that's weird they made the directory then :) [13:29] JontheEchidna: close it, say we're waiting for 4.3 l10n packages to appear [13:40] account list [13:41] Sorry [14:15] JontheEchidna: ping [14:16] So I updated to 4.2.90 yesterday, and my old 4.2.2 kdebindings were removed and no updated was installed. I was left without a kdebindings on my system. This seems wrongs. [14:16] Riddell: ^ [14:17] rgreening: on karmic? [14:17] jaunty [14:17] using ninjas? [14:17] Riddell: hmm... actually, it may be something else... [14:17] I simply just do not seem to have pykde4 stuff anymore [14:18] and it doesn't seem to exist in 4.2.90 bindings packages? [14:19] apt-cache search pykde4 [14:19] python-kde4 - Python bindings for the KDE 4 libraries [14:19] apt-cache policy pykde4-kde4 [14:19] W: Unable to locate package pykde4-kde4 [14:19] ? [14:20] Riddell: the PPA I have enabled is kubuntu-ppa/experimental [14:20] maybe that's not correct? [14:21] apt-cache policy python-kde4 [14:22] lex79 made the kdebindings package [14:23] maybe it's an issue with ~lp [14:23] the python-kde4 package in kubuntu-ppa/experimental is empty [14:24] of thats bad......... [14:25] guess thats why it's failed for me [14:25] I think we shouldn't backport kdebindings, it's too much work, the python stuff needs updated sip and pyqt to have a chance of working [14:26] hmm... now I is hooped :( [14:26] have to try and back out... [14:27] actually Riddell, if it needs the new sip/pyqt, then they should be easily added to the PPA ? [14:27] disable the archive, apt-get remove python-kde4; apt-get install python-kde4 [14:27] nothing about kdebindings is easy [14:27] lol [14:27] true [14:27] and infact is doesn't seem to build with the new soprano [14:28] http://paste.ubuntu.com/191661/ [14:28] blarg.. stupid bindings [14:31] apt-get remove python-kde4; apt-get install kubuntu-desktop (cause it wants to remove 15 packages) [14:31] now now, we should call it compile challenged, not stupid [14:31] lol [14:31] so Riddell, we should delete bindings from PPA to prevent others from experiencing what I have :) [14:33] yes I think so [14:52] shit @ above === kozz_ is now known as kozz === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 === OdyX` is now known as OdyX [15:16] vorian: you got kdebindings to compile? it entirely fails here on smoke for soprano [15:16] Riddell: yeah [15:16] smoke built for me [15:17] er [15:17] well, you know what i mean [15:17] python didn't build [15:18] a couple of scritengines didn't build [15:18] right [15:18] maybe I should try in a chroot [15:34] JontheEchidna: Hello [15:35] JontheEchidna: So myself and a friend, brendan0powers, just realized via your kde blog post that we're not the only human beings living in NH [15:37] cool [15:37] I was wondering myself ;-D [15:37] haha, indeed, where in NH do you live? [15:37] * chrisinajar is not an internet stalker, i swear. [15:38] In the wilderness around Tilton/Northfield [15:38] * brendan0powers is [15:39] oh wow, you're way out there [15:39] heh, at least here in Maine, I have cable internet :D [15:39] we're in Keene, which is somewhat civilized by comparison [15:39] * claydoh has no *buntu neighbors, tho :( [15:39] we're about an hour and a half away :P [15:39] claydoh: that's surprising, there are a lot of insane open source people in maine... [15:40] * claydoh loves the Keene area [15:40] yeah, we rock :P [15:40] tho I only was there once I loved it there [15:40] we go up to main fairly frequently [15:40] im with chrisinajar btw [15:40] I live up north in bangor, the "real" maine :) [15:40] we are, in fact, about 3 feet away right now. [15:41] we were in main on saturday in fact [15:41] hmmm... the name sounds really familiar... [15:41] doing a hackfest for open1to1 [15:41] claydoh: www.open1to1.org [15:41] we were up in vasselboro, which i have no idea what that's near. [15:41] if you live in main, you may be interested in it [15:42] I have been made fun of for my pronunciation of bangor v.v [15:42] JontheEchidna: i have no idea how to pronounce it so.... [15:42] JontheEchidna: we new hampshirites get made fun of a lot for how we speak :P [15:42] apparently if you make it sound too much like "bang her", even a little, bangor dudes laugh [15:42] Ban-go-ah, or ban-goh [15:43] like our uncontrollable compulsions to say "wicked" constantly [15:43] I'm not a native, so I don't have the New Hampsha/Maine/Mass accent [15:43] my brother caught that "wicked" stuff [15:43] it's like tourettes or something [15:43] lol [15:43] Moved up here from VA 5 years ago [15:43] orly, are you here for school or something? [15:43] oh, ok [15:44] My dad had to relocate for his job [15:44] and I'm homeschooled (senior year) [15:44] so you probably talk about %70 slower than everyone here :P [15:44] Vassalboro is a few hours away for me [15:44] I have managed to maintain a fairly accent-neutral speech pattern :} [15:44] * claydoh tries, but accent pops out once in a while [15:45] i've lived in NH all my life, so i talk like a retard [15:45] ha [15:45] lol [15:45] * claydoh was a military brat and picked up all sorts of accents [15:45] it takes us about 5 hours to get to bangor [15:45] which is......... fun...... [15:45] yep [15:46] vasleboro was only 3.5 [15:46] at least it's not the 7 hours to BAH HABAH [15:46] bangor is about 5 hours away from a lot of interesting things [15:46] indeed [15:46] a trait shared by most of maine :P [15:46] 7? [15:46] took the long way then [15:47] it might have been closer to 6 or 6.5 [15:47] i dunno [15:47] "really really long" [15:48] yea, the LTSP meetings is there every year [15:48] its pretty awsome [15:48] it is indeed [15:48] all you can eat lobster:) [15:48] ewww [15:48] don't like lobster? [15:49] doesn't that make you not from maine if you don't like lobster? [15:49] i figured you'd be evicted or something [15:49] vorian: compiles in a chroot, most strange [15:49] *excuse me, sir, there have been reports that you don't like labstah* [15:49] vorian: I'll see if I can get pykde back again now [15:49] chrisinajar: its in my blood, tho born in AK, my grandfather and mother both hated lobstah [15:50] ah [15:50] they were true mainahs [15:50] I was merely conceived here :) [15:51] as we stray wayy ot and annoy the people doing real work here :) [15:51] claydoh: JontheEchidna: what sort of kubuntu developement do you do? [15:52] hum, interesting question. I'm sorta all over the place [15:52] bug triaging, packaging, bug fixing [15:52] bug fixing is always good:) [15:52] * claydoh is just a hanger-on of sorts, woork in the forum and mailing lists [15:53] cool [15:54] we have a kubuntu based thin client company [15:54] cool! [15:54] yea, its pretty fun [15:54] we sell to education [15:55] and have customers all over new england [15:55] still stuck on kde 3.5 though [15:55] including quite a few in maine ;) [15:56] I'm a little nervous about moving to kde4 [15:57] we have a bunch of policies and whatnot [15:57] and we have to use old hardware [15:57] claydoh: helping on forums and mailing lists is a critical kubuntu contributor function! [15:57] Well, if KDE3 works... I doubt kids need desktop effects [15:57] ;-) [15:57] not to cheapen KDE4 down to desktop effects or anything... [15:58] Its true, however, kde3.5 is not supported by kubuntu any more [15:58] so its hard to stick with [15:58] oh, yeah. There's that [15:58] yeah, there are a few benifits we want... like being able to upgrade kubutntu past hardy :P [15:58] Riddell: thanks :) but I am not a dev, in the sense of code, you coders/packagers/smart people rock! [15:58] claydoh: no point coding if people get stuck when they try to use it [15:59] Riddell: true, but you guys still rock and I love you all [15:59] it's true... the non-coders are just as important as the coders... community wise, more so. [16:01] well, it's awesome that there are *buntu people up here in the middle of nowhere :P [16:02] #kubuntu-devel is the centre of the universe! [16:02] yes it is [16:07] JontheEchidna: so your school year should be over soon, right? [16:07] soon [16:07] I did start a few classes a bit late [16:08] do you have any plans for college [16:08] JontheEchidna: are you going into your senior year or are you in your senior, and finishing off school now? [16:08] they're still being formulated [16:08] I'm finishing off high school [16:10] bbl, lunch [16:10] middle of nowhere.. try Newfoundland :) [16:10] Im on an island... the only dev here [16:10] my grandmother was from newfoundland [16:10] a monopoly! [16:10] :P [16:11] brendan0powers: cool [16:11] but yea, that kinda sucks [16:11] brendan0powers: what was her maiden name? [16:11] I don't actually know... [16:11] lol [16:11] ganny [16:11] granny even [16:12] :) [16:12] ha === nielsslot_ is now known as nielsslot [16:12] yea [16:12] Don't get me wrong, I love it here... but its a pain to travel for sure [16:12] yea, I bet [16:13] being an island helps keep the rif-raff away too [16:13] :P [16:13] my grandparents used to drive up there once a year [16:13] took quite a while [16:13] rif-raff eh? [16:13] bwahaha [16:14] rif-raff.... are you from the 50's with a handlebar mustache? :P [16:14] newfoundland is at least 50 years behind [16:14] hahaha [16:14] i guess it's reasonable then :P [16:15] oh yea, since I'm in this channel, I have a question:) [16:15] does anyone know how to prevent users from doing a distrobution upgrade,(hardy to intrepid, etc...) [16:16] from synaptic? [16:16] I'd like to allow our users to do there own updates, but if they upgraded to intrepid, everything would break:) [16:16] everything [16:18] it happened once, and the user was in the hospital for 3 weeks [16:18] no handlebar's, but I once has one that was coined a 'porno mustache'... wife made me shave it off :P [16:18] it was awful:) [16:18] Riddell: ya, the apport stuff is done [16:19] oh, and 50 year's behind is definately not the case... we actually had the first high speed cable internet in canada, I helped build and deploy it. [16:19] That was 13 yrs ago [16:20] that's pretty cool, must have been interesting to work on [16:20] it was. I had to do the core network, develop the apps and they all ran under Linux :) [16:21] back then, we had to build stuff from source a lot.. :) [16:21] i would assume as much, it would have been awful if they ran under windows... oh man would that have been awesome... [16:21] lol.. trumpet winsock to the rescue.. NOT! [16:21] shit, someone's using all of the pipe on a netmeeting! [16:22] (the greatest app windows ever wrote... multiplayer mspaint...) [16:22] nixternal: second green spot on Todo goes to you! :) [16:22] *g* [16:22] yay \o/ [16:22] gotta reboot, kernel upgrade on the server! brb [16:24] Riddell: what's UDS Creator on TODO? :) is that USB creator? [16:29] rgreening: umm, I may have made a thinko, feel free to fix [16:29] :) [16:29] done and updated. I have noted where the ~lp is for the work thus far. [16:29] *g* "a thinko" :D [16:31] Riddell: usb-creator-kde is going to take a while... just so you know. It is a relatively bog port, as lost's of differences from old version 0.1.15 to 0.2.0 (unreleased) [16:32] s/bog/big/ [16:32] s/lost/lots/ [16:33] Riddell: I guess I will take apport stuff for the rest of the TODO list items [16:38] nixternal: talk to yuriy if you're unsure of anything [16:38] going to start the pyqt->pykde conversion [16:39] its a super easy codebase, nice and clean, self documenting really [16:40] vorian: awooga, pykde working [16:40] nixternal: excellent === Sput is now known as Squt === Squt is now known as Sput === jussi01 is now known as jussio1 === jussio1 is now known as Android === Android is now known as Tuhina === Tuhina is now known as jussi01 [17:15] does making a KCM in python no longer require a cpp? [17:15] i'm looking at system-config-printer for an example [17:15] yuriy: right, not c++ involved [17:15] yuriy: nope [17:16] so i need to extend KCModule, and then? [17:16] there's an example in kdebindings/python/pykde4/tools/kcmodule_example/ [17:25] moan, kdebindings takes ages to build [17:41] Riddell: what advantage(s) do we gain by porting apport-qt to apport-kde? [17:42] seeing as all of the widgets in the gui are QLabel, QCheckBox, and QRadioButton [17:42] Riddell: are you building beta 2 bindings? [17:44] Sime: yep, just got it done [17:44] Riddell: and the polkitqt support is included? [17:44] nixternal: that it uses oxygen by default, sometimes it doesn't [17:44] interesting [17:44] Sime: no still on the todo list for now I'm afraid (rushing to get it in for karmic alpha 2 freeze) [17:44] is that why I have witnessed an ugly dialog every now and then? [17:45] Riddell: it should be fairly trivial. [17:45] looks like it might be a gtk dialog, or just a big blocky dialog [17:46] Riddell: another Q, how long does it take for it to show up in karmic updates? [17:46] * Sime has been testing polkit stuff on karmic. [17:46] Sime: a few hours yet, it'll need to wait for python-qt4 to compile first [17:47] Riddell: cool [17:47] Sime: poke me on monday if I havn't aaded the polkit stuff by then [17:49]