[00:09] <shtylman> Riddell: will fill out spec...just got back from a few days at the beach
[00:36] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: your weather desktop should turn a really nasty weather for tornador warnings and thunderstorm warnings like we are underhere
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: I think things should be better now :)
[01:30] <vorian> yo
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> yo
[01:32] <vorian> where do we stand?
[01:32] <JontheEchidna> lex and I (but mostly lex) ripped through backports today
[01:32] <JontheEchidna> kdeedu is all that's left
[01:32] <vorian> sheesh
[01:32] <vorian> that's awesome
[01:32] <JontheEchidna> 1) We are on time
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> 2) The packages dont' suck this time
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> :D
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> == awesome
[01:33] <vorian> it feels good to actually have time to help this time
[01:33] <vorian> or this round
[01:41] <JontheEchidna> lex79: you should poke riddell or scottk to sponsor your konvi 1.2 alpha3 package
[01:42] <JontheEchidna> otherwise it'll never be uploaded ;-)
[01:46] <seele> is kubuntu karmic netbook edition going to be a separate install or an option during install?
[01:57] <genii> Hello. Wanted to enquire if anyone knows if 10.04 will be an LTS for Kubuntu? (since 8.04 isn't)
[01:58] <vorian> bug 385005
[01:59] <lex79> lol
[02:00] <lex79> ScottK: can you look here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/ppa
[02:00] <lex79> ScottK: to sponsor konversation? thanks
[02:02] <JontheEchidna> vorian: "Resolved: OM NOM NOM NOM"
[02:02] <vorian> yeah, see -bugs
[02:03] <JontheEchidna> the channel or the ml?
[02:03] <vorian> channel
[02:03] <JontheEchidna> figures I don't idle there anymore
[02:04] <vorian> but you are the king of bugs
[02:05] <JontheEchidna> I'd use -bugs-announce if anything
[02:05] <JontheEchidna> I dun need no silly interaction wit humans for boogs
[02:06] <JontheEchidna> >:3
[02:06] <vorian> yah, silly humans
[02:07] <vorian> ok
[02:07] <vorian> so my grapics card on my desktop blew up today
[02:07] <JontheEchidna> mah bug/dev window: http://imagebin.ca/view/B1bjY4c2.html
[02:07] <vorian> geeeeeforce 8600
[02:07] <vorian> what's an awesome card to get these days?
[02:08] <JontheEchidna> um
[02:08] <JontheEchidna> not a Geforce 4 MX 440
[02:08] <JontheEchidna> I'd stick with nvidia tho
[02:08] <vorian> yeah   <3 nvidia
[02:12] <lex79> kdebase captured my horsemen
[02:12] <lex79> fantastic :)
[02:12] <vorian> :-/
[02:15] <JontheEchidna> kdebase sunk my battleship
[02:18] <JontheEchidna> out o' curiosity, watcha testing?
[02:18] <JontheEchidna> *whatcha
[02:18] <vorian> the test failed
[02:19] <vorian> by about 2 months
[02:19] <JontheEchidna> time travel experiments?
[02:19] <vorian> yes
[02:19] <JontheEchidna> zomg!
[02:21] <vorian> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?ISList=14-121-309-S01%2c14-121-309-S02%2c14-121-309-S04%2c14-121-309-S03%2c14-121-309-S05&S7ImageFlag=1&Item=N82E16814121309&Depa=0&WaterMark=1&Description=ASUS%20GeForce%20GTS%20250%20ENGTS250%20DK%2fHTDI%2f1GD3%20Video%20Card%20-%20Retail
[02:21] <vorian> whoa!
[02:21] <vorian> sorry
[02:54] <ScottK> seele: It'll have to be a separate install.
[02:59] <ryanakca> ScottK: Did you ever get around to signing my key?
[02:59] <ScottK> ryanakca: I have not done any of them yet.
[02:59] <ryanakca> ScottK: OK
[03:00] <ScottK> It's been a bit busy as I left for a business trip on Sunday after getting home from UDS on Saturday and I'm still on the subsequent trip.
[03:01] <ryanakca> ScottK: Fun fun :)
[03:13] <yuriy> we in on this branding thing?
[03:13] <ScottK> We need someone to work our end of it.
[03:14]  * ScottK thinks it is a good idea, but is not volunteering.
[03:15] <yuriy> our end of it == artwork?
[03:15]  * yuriy doesn't know of any artists in here other than kwwii 
[03:16] <seele> ScottK: hmm.. i'm not sure if enough of kde will be optimized for netbooks by then to make a difference
[03:16] <ScottK> seele: Tonio_ has been working on an alternate set of default settings.
[03:21] <yuriy> somebody here know the system groups on ubuntu well?
[03:21] <yuriy> ScottK?
[03:21] <ScottK> Dunno about well.  What's your question?
[03:22] <yuriy> in userconfig there is a view that shows groups as "privileges" in easier terms
[03:22] <yuriy> there is a hardcoded dictionary as to what these are, and it's out of date
[03:23] <yuriy> at least, a couple of those groups aren't actually there by default and there are probably more than can be added
[03:24] <yuriy> here is the current list, I was looking for someone to help update it: http://dpaste.com/53109/
[03:26] <yuriy> s/than can/that can
[04:13] <ScottK> yuriy: This looks relevant: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Intrepid/DevicePermissions
[04:32] <yuriy> ScottK: interesting, all those groups are still in Jaunty
[04:32] <ScottK> I think that gives you a list to work from.
[04:58] <DaskreeCH> Anyone up?
[04:59] <DaskreeCH> Installing from the KDE 4.3 experimental repo and everything installs fine without any hitches but the desktop comes up with no icons at all
[04:59] <DaskreeCH> Known Issue?
[04:59] <DaskreeCH> http://imagebin.ca/view/Mrg5Xbzp.html
[05:37] <nixternal> w00t, apport-qt4 now has pitti's new interactive hooks support :)
[05:38] <nixternal> I realized that I still suck at Qt Designer, and itemAt() is your friend in QLayouts when dynamically creating CheckBoxes or RadioButtons
[06:59] <jussi01> DaskreeCH: I think the beta 2 is still building in the ppa, so its missing stuff.
[07:00] <DaskreeCH> jussi01: Well Yeah I just noticed it's Beta 2 ;-) And the missing part was kde-icons-oxygen I just installed it and it's fine
[07:01] <DaskreeCH> !nvidia
[07:01]  * Quintasan is off to Warsaw
[07:01] <Quintasan> see you on Thursday
[07:02] <DaskreeCH> ok
[07:31] <DaskreeCH> jockey-kde fails in KDE 4.3 saying there is no python module names kdecore
[08:59] <Mamarok> morning everyone
[09:01] <jussi01> Mamarok: *wave*
[09:01] <nixternal> good morning
[09:01] <nixternal> and almost goodnight....03:01
[09:03] <Mamarok> hm, I have one broken dependency with 4.2.90, is that already known?
[09:03] <Mamarok>  kdeutils: Depends: kde-printer-applet (>= 4:4.2.90-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1) but 4:4.2.85-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa2 is to be installed
[09:03] <Mamarok> E: Broken packages
[09:05] <nixternal> I didn't have any
[09:05] <nixternal> let me try a new update and see if I didn't get that earlier
[09:05] <nixternal> I must have gotten it earlier...no problems here
[09:05] <gribelu> I get it too.. Didn't have kdeutils installed though
[09:06] <gribelu> the rest of 4.2.85 upgraded ok
[09:06] <Mamarok> jst solved it, I installed printer-applet which is 4.2.90, that removed kdeutils, no more broken stuff now
[09:06] <Mamarok> let's see if that breaks something in my everyday use
[09:07] <nixternal> hehe
[09:08] <gribelu> so kde-printer-applet was renamed to printer-applet
[09:08] <gribelu> but kdeutils still depends on kde-printer-applet which stayed at 4.2.85
[09:13] <seaLne> did anyone else find 4.3 plasma on jaunty become unstable after the recent updates?
[10:12] <Riddell> shtylman: welcome back!
[10:16] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's happening with  kopete-facebook?
[10:18] <DaskreeCH> seaLne: Just did a fresh install from the repos beta 2 and it's been running fine
[10:18] <DaskreeCH> No Compositing
[10:19] <seaLne> i'm thinking i ended up with a part upgrade without noticing last night, so hopefully thats all, installed more stuff this morning and going to reboot when i get a chance
[10:25] <DaskreeCH> I instaleld Ubuntu Server added teh experimental repos installed kubuntu and it all came down and installed so far the only thing I've seen go wrong was kde-icons-oxygen wasn't installed
[10:29] <cortex_sk> DaskreeCH: i had this problem yesterday, today it works
[10:30] <DaskreeCH> Well this was a few hours ago
[10:30] <cortex_sk> the same package kde-icons-oxygen@karmic
[10:31] <cortex_sk> Package: kde-icons-oxygen
[10:31] <cortex_sk> Versions:
[10:31] <cortex_sk> 4:4.2.90-0ubuntu1
[10:32] <cbr> dpkg -i --force-all
[10:32] <cbr> it has some file conflict again
[10:32] <cbr> one icon in several packages
[12:41] <nhandler> Riddell: Why isn't the Doodle poll letting me select a time zone?
[12:41] <Riddell> I've no idea
[12:42] <nhandler> Riddell: Are the times UTC?
[12:43] <Riddell> umm, dunno
[12:43] <Riddell> I guess so
[12:44] <Riddell> strange  that it normally does let you choose
[12:48]  * Nightrose asumed times were UTC
[13:07] <Riddell> nixternal: you did the apport stuff pitti was asking for?
[13:24] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: btw, if we can get some nice core-dev to run the batl10n script we'll have KDE 4.3 fully ready for release
[13:24] <JontheEchidna> *hint hint* :D
[13:25] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I don't think there are any l10n packages
[13:25] <vorian> I can run it, just not upload it
[13:25] <Riddell> no there's not
[13:25] <JontheEchidna> really? I thought I saw some for the last beta at least
[13:26] <Riddell> no extragear either
[13:26] <vorian> yeah, no l10n
[13:27] <JontheEchidna> so what to tell this guy? bug 383503
[13:27] <seele> what time zone is the pole?
[13:27] <JontheEchidna> not as self explanatory as he claims :/
[13:27] <Riddell> seele: UTC we're assuming
[13:27] <vorian> JontheEchidna: we could do 4.2.89
[13:27] <seele> hmm
[13:28] <JontheEchidna> all of the times go from 9 - midnight here
[13:28] <Riddell> vorian: there's  nothing in there either
[13:28] <vorian> JontheEchidna: subtract 5 giyrs
[13:28] <JontheEchidna> *8
[13:29] <vorian> oh, that's weird they made the directory then :)
[13:29] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: close it, say we're waiting for 4.3 l10n packages to appear
[13:40] <Underliner> account list
[13:41] <Underliner> Sorry
[14:15] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ping
[14:16] <rgreening> So I updated to 4.2.90 yesterday, and my old 4.2.2 kdebindings were removed and no updated was installed. I was left without a kdebindings on my system. This seems wrongs.
[14:16] <rgreening> Riddell: ^
[14:17] <Riddell> rgreening: on  karmic?
[14:17] <rgreening> jaunty
[14:17] <Riddell> using ninjas?
[14:17] <rgreening> Riddell: hmm... actually, it may be something else...
[14:17] <rgreening> I simply just do not seem to have pykde4 stuff anymore
[14:18] <rgreening> and it doesn't seem to exist in 4.2.90 bindings packages?
[14:19] <rgreening> apt-cache search pykde4
[14:19] <rgreening> python-kde4 - Python bindings for the KDE 4 libraries
[14:19] <rgreening> apt-cache policy pykde4-kde4
[14:19] <rgreening> W: Unable to locate package pykde4-kde4
[14:19] <rgreening> ?
[14:20] <rgreening> Riddell: the PPA I have enabled is kubuntu-ppa/experimental
[14:20] <rgreening> maybe that's not correct?
[14:21] <Riddell> apt-cache policy python-kde4
[14:22] <Riddell> lex79 made the kdebindings package
[14:23] <rgreening> maybe it's an issue with ~lp
[14:23] <Riddell> the python-kde4 package in kubuntu-ppa/experimental is empty
[14:24] <rgreening> of thats bad.........
[14:25] <rgreening> guess thats why it's failed for me
[14:25] <Riddell> I think we shouldn't  backport kdebindings, it's too much work, the python stuff needs updated sip and pyqt to have a chance of working
[14:26] <rgreening> hmm... now I is hooped :(
[14:26] <rgreening> have to try and back out...
[14:27] <rgreening> actually Riddell, if it needs the new sip/pyqt, then they should be easily added to the PPA ?
[14:27] <Riddell> disable the archive, apt-get remove python-kde4; apt-get install python-kde4
[14:27] <Riddell> nothing about kdebindings is easy
[14:27] <rgreening> lol
[14:27] <rgreening> true
[14:27] <Riddell> and infact is doesn't seem to build with the new soprano
[14:28] <Riddell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/191661/
[14:28] <rgreening> blarg.. stupid bindings
[14:31] <rgreening> apt-get remove python-kde4; apt-get install kubuntu-desktop (cause it wants to remove 15 packages)
[14:31] <Riddell> now now, we should call it compile challenged, not stupid
[14:31] <rgreening> lol
[14:31] <rgreening> so Riddell, we should delete bindings from PPA to prevent others from experiencing what I have :)
[14:33] <Riddell> yes I think so
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> shit @ above
[15:16] <Riddell> vorian: you got kdebindings to compile?  it entirely fails here on smoke for soprano
[15:16] <vorian> Riddell: yeah
[15:16] <vorian> smoke built for me
[15:17] <vorian> er
[15:17] <vorian> well, you know what i mean
[15:17] <vorian> python didn't build
[15:18] <vorian> a couple of scritengines didn't build
[15:18] <Riddell> right
[15:18] <Riddell> maybe I should try in a chroot
[15:34] <chrisinajar> JontheEchidna: Hello
[15:35] <chrisinajar> JontheEchidna: So myself and a friend, brendan0powers, just realized via your kde blog post that we're not the only human beings living in NH
[15:37] <JontheEchidna> cool
[15:37] <JontheEchidna> I was wondering myself ;-D
[15:37] <chrisinajar> haha, indeed, where in NH do you live?
[15:37]  * chrisinajar is not an internet stalker, i swear.
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> In the wilderness around Tilton/Northfield
[15:38]  * brendan0powers is
[15:39] <chrisinajar> oh wow, you're way out there
[15:39] <claydoh> heh, at least here in Maine, I have cable internet :D
[15:39] <chrisinajar> we're in Keene, which is somewhat civilized by comparison
[15:39]  * claydoh has no *buntu neighbors, tho :(
[15:39] <chrisinajar> we're about an hour and a half away :P
[15:39] <chrisinajar> claydoh: that's surprising, there are a lot of insane open source people in maine...
[15:40]  * claydoh loves the Keene area
[15:40] <chrisinajar> yeah, we rock :P
[15:40] <claydoh> tho I only was there once I loved it there
[15:40] <brendan0powers> we go up to main fairly frequently
[15:40] <brendan0powers> im with chrisinajar btw
[15:40] <claydoh> I live up north in bangor, the "real" maine :)
[15:40] <chrisinajar> we are, in fact, about 3 feet away right now.
[15:41] <brendan0powers> we were in main on saturday in fact
[15:41] <chrisinajar> hmmm... the name sounds really familiar...
[15:41] <brendan0powers> doing a hackfest for open1to1
[15:41] <brendan0powers> claydoh: www.open1to1.org
[15:41] <chrisinajar> we were up in vasselboro, which i have no idea what that's near.
[15:41] <brendan0powers> if you live in main, you may be interested in it
[15:42] <JontheEchidna> I have been made fun of for my pronunciation of bangor v.v
[15:42] <chrisinajar> JontheEchidna: i have no idea how to pronounce it so....
[15:42] <chrisinajar> JontheEchidna: we new hampshirites get made fun of a lot for how we speak :P
[15:42] <JontheEchidna> apparently if you make it sound too much like "bang her", even a little, bangor dudes laugh
[15:42] <claydoh> Ban-go-ah, or ban-goh
[15:43] <chrisinajar> like our uncontrollable compulsions to say "wicked" constantly
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> I'm not a native, so I don't have the New Hampsha/Maine/Mass accent
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> my brother caught that "wicked" stuff
[15:43] <chrisinajar> it's like tourettes or something
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> lol
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> Moved up here from VA 5 years ago
[15:43] <chrisinajar> orly, are you here for school or something?
[15:43] <chrisinajar> oh, ok
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> My dad had to relocate for his job
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> and I'm homeschooled (senior year)
[15:44] <chrisinajar> so you probably talk about %70 slower than everyone here :P
[15:44] <claydoh> Vassalboro is a few hours away for me
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> I have managed to maintain a fairly accent-neutral speech pattern :}
[15:44]  * claydoh tries, but accent pops out once in a while
[15:45] <chrisinajar> i've lived in NH all my life, so i talk like a retard
[15:45] <brendan0powers> ha
[15:45] <JontheEchidna> lol
[15:45]  * claydoh was a military brat and picked up all sorts of accents
[15:45] <brendan0powers> it takes us about 5 hours to get to bangor
[15:45] <chrisinajar> which is......... fun......
[15:45] <brendan0powers> yep
[15:46] <brendan0powers> vasleboro was only 3.5
[15:46] <chrisinajar> at least it's not the 7 hours to BAH HABAH
[15:46] <claydoh> bangor is about 5 hours away from a lot of interesting things
[15:46] <chrisinajar> indeed
[15:46] <chrisinajar> a trait shared by most of maine :P
[15:46] <claydoh> 7?
[15:46] <claydoh> took the long way then
[15:47] <chrisinajar> it might have been closer to 6 or 6.5
[15:47] <chrisinajar> i dunno
[15:47] <chrisinajar> "really really long"
[15:48] <brendan0powers> yea, the LTSP meetings is there every year
[15:48] <brendan0powers> its pretty awsome
[15:48] <chrisinajar> it is indeed
[15:48] <brendan0powers> all you can eat lobster:)
[15:48] <claydoh> ewww
[15:48] <brendan0powers> don't like lobster?
[15:49] <chrisinajar> doesn't that make you not from maine if you don't like lobster?
[15:49] <chrisinajar> i figured you'd be evicted or something
[15:49] <Riddell> vorian: compiles in a chroot, most strange
[15:49] <chrisinajar> *excuse me, sir, there have been reports that you don't like labstah*
[15:49] <Riddell> vorian: I'll see if I can get pykde back again now
[15:49] <claydoh> chrisinajar: its in my blood, tho born in AK, my grandfather and mother  both hated lobstah
[15:50] <chrisinajar> ah
[15:50] <claydoh> they were true mainahs
[15:50] <claydoh> I was merely conceived here :)
[15:51] <claydoh> as we stray wayy ot and annoy the people doing real work here :)
[15:51] <brendan0powers> claydoh: JontheEchidna: what sort of kubuntu developement do you do?
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> hum, interesting question. I'm sorta all over the place
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> bug triaging, packaging, bug fixing
[15:52] <brendan0powers> bug fixing is always good:)
[15:52]  * claydoh is just a hanger-on of sorts, woork in the forum and mailing lists
[15:53] <brendan0powers> cool
[15:54] <brendan0powers> we have a kubuntu based thin client company
[15:54] <claydoh> cool!
[15:54] <brendan0powers> yea, its pretty fun
[15:54] <brendan0powers> we sell to education
[15:55] <brendan0powers> and have customers all over new england
[15:55] <brendan0powers> still stuck on kde 3.5 though
[15:55] <chrisinajar> including quite a few in maine ;)
[15:56] <brendan0powers> I'm a little nervous about moving to kde4
[15:57] <brendan0powers> we have a bunch of policies and whatnot
[15:57] <brendan0powers> and we have to use old hardware
[15:57] <Riddell> claydoh: helping on forums and mailing lists is a critical kubuntu contributor function!
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> Well, if KDE3 works... I doubt kids need desktop effects
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> not to cheapen KDE4 down to desktop effects or anything...
[15:58] <brendan0powers> Its true, however, kde3.5 is not supported by kubuntu any more
[15:58] <brendan0powers> so its hard to stick with
[15:58] <JontheEchidna> oh, yeah. There's that
[15:58] <chrisinajar> yeah, there are a few benifits we want... like being able to upgrade kubutntu past hardy :P
[15:58] <claydoh> Riddell: thanks :) but I am not a dev, in the sense of code, you coders/packagers/smart people rock!
[15:58] <Riddell> claydoh: no point coding if people get stuck when they try to use it
[15:59] <claydoh> Riddell: true, but you guys still rock and I love you all
[15:59] <chrisinajar> it's true... the non-coders are just as important as the coders... community wise, more so.
[16:01] <chrisinajar> well, it's awesome that there are *buntu people up here in the middle of nowhere :P
[16:02] <Riddell> #kubuntu-devel is the centre of the universe!
[16:02] <claydoh> yes it is
[16:07] <brendan0powers> JontheEchidna: so your school year should be over soon, right?
[16:07] <JontheEchidna> soon
[16:07] <JontheEchidna> I did start a few classes a bit late
[16:08] <brendan0powers> do you have any plans for college
[16:08] <chrisinajar> JontheEchidna: are you going into your senior year or are you in your senior, and finishing off school now?
[16:08] <JontheEchidna> they're still being formulated
[16:08] <JontheEchidna> I'm finishing off high school
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> bbl, lunch
[16:10] <rgreening> middle of nowhere.. try Newfoundland :)
[16:10] <rgreening> Im on an island... the only dev here
[16:10] <brendan0powers> my grandmother was from newfoundland
[16:10] <chrisinajar> a monopoly!
[16:10] <rgreening> :P
[16:11] <rgreening> brendan0powers: cool
[16:11] <brendan0powers> but yea, that kinda sucks
[16:11] <rgreening> brendan0powers: what was her maiden name?
[16:11] <brendan0powers> I don't actually know...
[16:11] <rgreening> lol
[16:11] <rgreening> ganny
[16:11] <rgreening> granny even
[16:12] <rgreening> :)
[16:12] <brendan0powers> ha
[16:12] <brendan0powers> yea
[16:12] <rgreening> Don't get me wrong, I love it here... but its a pain to travel for sure
[16:12] <brendan0powers> yea, I bet
[16:13] <rgreening> being an island helps keep the rif-raff away too
[16:13] <rgreening> :P
[16:13] <brendan0powers> my grandparents used to drive up there once a year
[16:13] <brendan0powers> took quite a while
[16:13] <chrisinajar> rif-raff eh?
[16:13] <rgreening> bwahaha
[16:14] <chrisinajar> rif-raff.... are you from the 50's with a handlebar mustache? :P
[16:14] <brendan0powers> newfoundland is at least 50 years behind
[16:14] <chrisinajar> hahaha
[16:14] <chrisinajar> i guess it's reasonable then :P
[16:15] <brendan0powers> oh yea, since I'm in this channel, I have a question:)
[16:15] <brendan0powers> does anyone know how to prevent users from doing a distrobution upgrade,(hardy to intrepid, etc...)
[16:16] <brendan0powers> from synaptic?
[16:16] <brendan0powers> I'd like to allow our users to do there own updates, but if they upgraded to intrepid, everything would break:)
[16:16] <chrisinajar> everything
[16:18] <brendan0powers> it happened once, and the user was in the hospital for 3 weeks
[16:18] <rgreening> no handlebar's, but I once has one that was coined a 'porno mustache'... wife made me shave it off :P
[16:18] <brendan0powers> it was awful:)
[16:18] <nixternal> Riddell: ya, the apport stuff is done
[16:19] <rgreening> oh, and 50 year's behind is definately not the case... we actually had the first high speed cable internet in canada, I helped build and deploy it.
[16:19] <rgreening> That was 13 yrs ago
[16:20] <chrisinajar> that's pretty cool, must have been interesting to work on
[16:20] <rgreening> it was. I had to do the core network, develop the apps and they all ran under Linux :)
[16:21] <rgreening> back then, we had to build stuff from source a lot.. :)
[16:21] <chrisinajar> i would assume as much, it would have been awful if they ran under windows... oh man would that have been awesome...
[16:21] <rgreening> lol.. trumpet winsock to the rescue.. NOT!
[16:21] <chrisinajar> shit, someone's using all of the pipe on a netmeeting!
[16:22] <chrisinajar> (the greatest app windows ever wrote... multiplayer mspaint...)
[16:22] <Riddell> nixternal: second green spot on Todo goes to you! :)
[16:22] <rgreening> *g*
[16:22] <nixternal> yay \o/
[16:22] <nixternal> gotta reboot, kernel upgrade on the server! brb
[16:24] <rgreening> Riddell: what's UDS Creator on TODO? :) is that USB creator?
[16:29] <Riddell> rgreening: umm, I may have made a thinko, feel free to fix
[16:29] <rgreening> :)
[16:29] <rgreening> done and updated. I have noted where the ~lp is for the work thus far.
[16:29] <jussi01> *g* "a thinko" :D
[16:31] <rgreening> Riddell: usb-creator-kde is going to take a while... just so you know. It is a relatively bog port, as lost's of differences from old version 0.1.15 to 0.2.0 (unreleased)
[16:32] <rgreening> s/bog/big/
[16:32] <rgreening> s/lost/lots/
[16:33] <nixternal> Riddell: I guess I will take apport stuff for the rest of the TODO list items
[16:38] <Riddell> nixternal: talk to yuriy if you're unsure of anything
[16:38] <nixternal> going to start the pyqt->pykde conversion
[16:39] <nixternal> its a super easy codebase, nice and clean, self documenting really
[16:40] <Riddell> vorian: awooga, pykde working
[16:40] <Riddell> nixternal: excellent
[17:15] <yuriy> does making a KCM in python no longer require a cpp?
[17:15] <yuriy> i'm looking at system-config-printer for an example
[17:15] <Riddell> yuriy: right, not c++ involved
[17:15] <Sime> yuriy: nope
[17:16] <yuriy> so i need to extend KCModule, and then?
[17:16] <Riddell> there's an example in kdebindings/python/pykde4/tools/kcmodule_example/
[17:25] <Riddell> moan, kdebindings takes ages to build
[17:41] <nixternal> Riddell: what advantage(s) do we gain by porting apport-qt to apport-kde?
[17:42] <nixternal> seeing as all of the widgets in the gui are QLabel, QCheckBox, and QRadioButton
[17:42] <Sime> Riddell: are you building beta 2 bindings?
[17:44] <Riddell> Sime: yep, just got it done
[17:44] <Sime> Riddell: and the polkitqt support is included?
[17:44] <Riddell> nixternal: that it uses oxygen by default, sometimes it doesn't
[17:44] <nixternal> interesting
[17:44] <Riddell> Sime: no still on the todo list for now I'm afraid (rushing to get it in for karmic alpha 2 freeze)
[17:44] <nixternal> is that why I have witnessed an ugly dialog every now and then?
[17:45] <Sime> Riddell: it should be fairly trivial.
[17:45] <nixternal> looks like it might be a gtk dialog, or just a big blocky dialog
[17:46] <Sime> Riddell: another Q, how long does it take for it to show up in karmic updates?
[17:46]  * Sime has been testing polkit stuff on karmic.
[17:46] <Riddell> Sime: a few hours yet, it'll need to wait for python-qt4 to compile first
[17:47] <Sime> Riddell: cool
[17:47] <Riddell> Sime: poke me on monday if I havn't aaded the polkit stuff by then
[17:49] <Nightrose> hmmm I can't update linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic
[17:49] <Nightrose> as they are held back
[17:50] <Nightrose> anyone got an idea what the problem is there currently?
[17:51] <Riddell> Nightrose: jaunty? karmic?  how upgrading?
[17:51] <Nightrose> jaunty
[17:51] <Nightrose> apt-get upgrade
[17:51] <Riddell> try a dist-upgrade ?
[17:52] <Nightrose> i tried that yesterday - didn't work - once this update finished here i can tell you which version it wants
[17:56] <Nightrose> Riddell: linux-restricted-modules-generic: Depends: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.28-13-generic but it is not installable
[17:56] <Nightrose> the package doesn't seem to exist
[18:05] <Riddell> Nightrose: apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-generic  ?
[18:08] <Riddell> Nightrose: oh, there it is, stuck in jaunty propssed
[18:09] <Nightrose> http://pastebin.ca/1453947
[18:09] <Nightrose> yea i have proposed enabled
[18:09] <rgreening> Riddell: in PyQt, whats the best way to group ui elements so I can enable/disable in one group?
[18:10] <rgreening> I was trying QVBoxLayout, only to relize it only disables the layout and not the items in it.
[18:10] <rgreening> doh
[18:11] <Riddell> rgreening: what's the layout attached to?
[18:11] <Riddell> the layout must be attached to a widget which can be disabled
[18:13] <Riddell> Nightrose: ok accepted those now, should appear in an hour or so on the archive
[18:14] <Nightrose> thx :)
[18:18] <rgreening> Riddell: it's part of the main QDialog, but I only wish to disable the stuff in the layout. THe QDialog is the main window
[18:30] <yuriy> how do I either get cmake to install to /usr instead of /usr/local (feels like a stupid question) or get system settings to pick up things in /usr/local?
[18:30] <rgreening> Riddell: I got it. I used designer to morph it into a QFrame.. that works.
[18:32] <yuriy> Riddell: also, any reason system-config-printer is not using python_install? or does the regular install take care of byte compiling and all now?
[18:33] <Riddell> yuriy: python_install?
[18:34] <Riddell> yuriy: cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr /path/to/build
[18:35] <yuriy> that didn't seem to do it, but i may need to clean up
[18:35] <yuriy> Riddell: http://api.kde.org/cmake/modules.html#module_PythonMacros
[18:41] <yuriy> cleaning up did it
[18:44] <lex79> Riddell: can you look konversation alpha3 in my ppa? https://edge.launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/ppa
[18:45] <lex79> thx
[18:58] <Riddell> yuriy: maybe PYTHON_INSTALL() didn't exist when I wrote the CMakeLists.txt I'm not sure, as a distro it's not very interesting as the .pyc generation should be done during package install not package build
[18:59] <Riddell> lex79: doing
[19:00] <lex79> thanks :)
[19:01] <Riddell>     - use include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/makefiles/1/cdbs/kde.mk
[19:01] <Riddell> lex79: what does Debian use?
[19:01] <Riddell> oh, debhelper 7?
[19:01] <lex79> sec
[19:01] <nixternal> hrmm, trying to figure out the best way of doing the pyqt->pykde conversion
[19:02] <nixternal> it can't be as easy as converting the QApplication to a KApplication
[19:02] <Riddell> nixternal: that's about it.  kapplication needs the kaboutdata stuff too
[19:02] <lex79> Riddell: in rules there is include debian/debhelper/kde.mk
[19:03] <lex79> and include /usr/share/quilt/quilt.make
[19:03] <lex79> and DH = dh --with quilt
[19:04] <Riddell> right, that won't work for  our .pot generation indeed
[19:04] <Riddell> although they seem to  be doing more packages  with debhelper, I guess I should learn something about it
[19:04] <Riddell> lex79: uploaded!
[19:05] <lex79> thanks Riddell, last version (alpha2) had problems, the patches were not applied
[19:10] <lex79> JontheEchidna: bzr should be update ;)
[19:11] <lex79> JontheEchidna: maybe we can look for fix this bug in experimental, launchpad bug 377560
[19:18] <yuriy> this isn't working and I can't find where s-c-p-k is putting it's desktop file to compare with what's working on my system
[19:21] <yuriy> when running with kcmshell4 it's failing to import things that work just fine just running the python
[19:22] <Riddell> tomsdale: it's  in /usr/share/kde4/services/system-config-printer-kde.desktop
[19:22] <Riddell> hmm, no
[19:22] <Riddell> yuriy: it's  in /usr/share/kde4/services/system-config-printer-kde.desktop
[19:23] <Riddell> having said that it's not actually working currently in karmic
[19:23] <Riddell> yuriy: got code somewhere I can look at?
[19:23] <Riddell> yuriy: did you  get the example from kdebindings working?
[19:25] <Riddell> example is working fine for me
[19:26] <rgreening> Riddell: kdelibs5-dbg seems stuck at 4.2.2 in jaunty from the PPA... strange
[19:27] <Riddell>   Candidate: 4:4.2.90-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1
[19:27] <Riddell> rgreening: not here
[19:28] <rgreening> oh, right.. duh, remember I had to disable the archive earlier due to kdebindings in PPA...
[19:28]  * rgreening needs sleep
[19:28] <Riddell> which should now  be deleted
[19:28] <rgreening> awesome...
[19:28]  * rgreening reenables PPA
[19:29] <rgreening> I hate KCrash....
[19:31] <Riddell> hello ruphy
[19:32] <yuriy> Riddell: on jaunty it seems to be /usr/share/applications/kde4/kcm-scpk.desktop actually
[19:34] <Riddell> yuriy: no, that's old
[19:35]  * shtylman recompiling OO ... again....
[19:35] <yuriy> example works fine
[19:36] <Riddell> yuriy: hmm, you're right, it is there
[19:36] <Riddell> yuriy: I must have renamed it for 4.3 but not for jaunty
[19:39] <DaskreeCH> can someone confirm that jockey-kde throws  a No module neamed kdecore fatal error?
[19:39] <yuriy> it's just that one import, so must be the code
[19:42] <Riddell> DaskreeCH: sounds like you don't have (a working) python-kde4 installed
[19:42] <DaskreeCH> Well it's certainly installed
[19:42] <Riddell> where from?
[19:42] <yuriy> conflicting module names :)
[19:42] <DaskreeCH> And this is a clean machine Ubuntu server install then pulled in Beta 2 packages
[19:43] <DaskreeCH> Experimental PPA
[19:43] <rgreening> DaskreeCH: downgrade kdebindings to 4.2.2
[19:43] <Riddell> DaskreeCH: known broken
[19:43] <DaskreeCH> Sorry should have mentioned KDE 4.3 :)
[19:43] <rgreening> 4.2.90 was buggered and has been deleted
[19:43] <rgreening> kdebindings I mean
[19:43] <DaskreeCH> Ah Ok  cool Just wanted to know if it was known
[19:43] <rgreening> I had same issue
[19:43] <rgreening> :)
[19:43] <DaskreeCH> Trying to go through all the modules and apps to see if they break
[19:44] <DaskreeCH> beta testing ftw \o/
[19:44] <DaskreeCH> We really shuld have a testing script that tries to run all the default apps to see if they work
[19:44] <lex79> rgreening: my fantastic kdebindings package :D
[19:44] <rgreening> :P not your fault.. kdebindings is a beast.
[19:44] <rgreening> python-kde4 was empty
[19:45] <rgreening> so it never built correclty
[19:45] <lex79> yeah, I read ^^^
[19:51] <yuriy> Riddell: got it sort of working -- only works when launching systemsettings from the command line and doesn't get embedded
[19:54] <Artemis_Fowl> how often does Launchpad's PPAs run the build process?
[19:54] <Artemis_Fowl> I mean I just uploaded a package, when will it be ready? days, hours, minutes?
[19:58] <jussi01> Artemis_Fowl: depends on the queue
[19:59] <jussi01> Artemis_Fowl: afaik, they are built immediataly if there is no queue
 My plasma always plays up
[20:00] <Artemis_Fowl> jussi01: ok
[20:01] <jussi01> txwikinger_work: aww
[20:01] <rgreening> ok, I've just realized how useless KCrash is after installing all dbg no help.. grr
[20:02] <shtylman> rgreening: how goes the usb creator?
[20:02] <txwikinger_work> All the panels start to be blank
[20:02] <txwikinger_work> I have to kill and restart it
[20:02] <shtylman> txwikinger_work: I have the same problem in 4.2 with nvidia card
[20:02] <txwikinger_work> I have it with intel
[20:03] <txwikinger_work> two different intels actually
[20:03] <shtylman> txwikinger_work: have you tried 4.3? I am told it has been fixed for intel in 4.3
[20:03] <txwikinger_work> seem to be adapter independent
[20:03] <txwikinger_work> I have 4.2.2 here 4.2.3 on the other one
[20:03] <txwikinger_work> Is 4.3 already stable?
[20:03] <rgreening> shtylman: well... except for the KCrash on insert of USB sticks...
[20:04] <rgreening> shtylman: want to take a look at the code?
[20:04] <shtylman> heh...oh my....
[20:04] <shtylman> sure
[20:04] <shtylman> is it on lp?
[20:04] <rgreening> yep, under ~kubuntu-members
[20:04] <rgreening> 1 sec..
[20:04] <shtylman> k
[20:05] <rgreening> shtylman: bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-members/usb-creator/kde-frontend
[20:06] <rgreening> if you want to run it local, it's a bit hoaky... you need to cp ./bin/usb-creator-kde . and ./gui/usbcreator.ui .
[20:07] <rgreening> if you don't insert a usb stick, you can do pretty much evertything... except install :)
[20:07] <shtylman> k
[20:07] <rgreening> still lots of FIME comments in the code :)
[20:07] <rgreening> oh, 1 sec.. let me push latest first...
[20:08] <shtylman> k
[20:11] <rgreening> shtylman: ok, updated branch
[20:12] <shtylman> rgreening: ok fetched...how do I run it again?
[20:12] <rgreening> cd into the branch
[20:12] <rgreening> cp ./bin/usb-creator-kde .
[20:13] <rgreening> cp ./gui/usbcreator.ui .
[20:13] <rgreening> ./usb-creator-kde
[20:13] <rgreening> should do it
[20:13] <rgreening> should prompt for kdesudo password
[20:13] <shtylman>  '/home/rgreening/Source/ninjas/karmic/usb-creator/usb-creator/usb-creator-kde'] ... that path does not exist on my machine :)
[20:13] <rgreening> 1 sec...
[20:14] <shtylman> no worries...I can fix it here...just sharing :)
[20:14] <shtylman> you should just use the current file name
[20:14] <rgreening> I forgot to change that back... was testing...
[20:14] <rgreening> oops
[20:14] <nixternal> just did an interview for datacenter type work, which I haven't done since the 90s, and I haven't maintained a Windows box since then, never messed with IIS..One question was "You need to restart IIS, how do you do it?"  I answered "Right click on My Computer, select Manager, in that window right click on IIS, and select restart"  Pulled that answer from my arse and it was correct!
[20:15] <nixternal> my next response was "If it is a Windows question, my answer is right click, no need to ask any more Windows questions." :)
[20:18] <shtylman> rgreening: indeed...it does crash :)
[20:18] <rgreening> ya
[20:19] <shtylman> rgreening: where does it put the log files?
[20:20] <rgreening> I can't seem to figure out that... I don't think it's working correctly. That's part of the "porting"
[20:20] <rgreening> seems to want env vars set... but doesn't seem to work.
[20:21] <rgreening> shtylman: seems the logs only get written if it doesn't KCrash
[20:21] <rgreening> possibly...
[20:21] <shtylman> I see
[20:23] <shtylman> rgreening: does it happen if a key is already in the port?
[20:23] <rgreening> yep
[20:24] <yuriy> oh, are root-only modules just broken in system settings in jaunty?
[20:24] <yuriy> they don't embed themselves
[20:26] <ryanakca> rgreening: Ping, did you ever get that laptop out?
[20:28] <rgreening> ryanakca: oh crap. I totally forgot. can you e-mail me.. Once I get home I always check my mail :) roderick DOT greening AT gmail DOT com
[20:28] <ryanakca> rgreening: Aye, will do
[20:28] <rgreening> kk
[20:33] <DaskreeCH> nixternal: Ha ha ha :-) Hooray for consistency :)
[20:34] <jjesse> nixternal: start -> run iisreset also works
[20:35] <nixternal> jjesse: Kubuntu CD
[20:36] <nixternal> then: start -> reboot
[20:36] <jjesse> nixternal: nice
[20:36] <rgreening> format c: or fdisk /mbr
[20:37] <nixternal> no need for that, Grub will take care of that with the Kubuntu CD :)
[20:41] <yuriy> still working out the kinks with system settings embedding, but: http://www.yktech.us/temp/userconfig-systemsettings.png
[20:54] <rgreening> shtylman: any ideas?
[20:54] <shtylman> rgreening: backend.py
[20:54] <shtylman> line 226
[20:54] <shtylman> self.timeouts[udi] = gobject.timeout_add(UPDATE_FREE_INTERVAL,
[20:54] <shtylman>                                                          self.update_free, udi)
[20:54] <shtylman> that is the culprit...
[20:55] <shtylman> if you comment him out...the crash goes away
[20:55] <shtylman> I am trying to figure out why though
[20:55] <rgreening> hmm.... I wonder why it works under the gtk version
[20:55] <shtylman> it may lead to discovery of other problem
[20:55] <shtylman> are you not sending something back to the backend?
[20:57] <rgreening> not that I can see...
[20:58] <rgreening> I'm pretty sure I have mirrored everything that needs to be done at a minimum
[20:58] <shtylman> k
[21:00] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: not embedding themselves is intentional, so that they can be run as root via kdesudo
[21:02] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: well that's separate, no? if I click the icon in system settings, i want it in there
[21:02] <yuriy> or is that just a workaround to get it to work with kdesudo at all?
[21:03] <JontheEchidna> yes
[21:03] <yuriy> well that's unpleasant
[21:03] <JontheEchidna> otherwise we could not give it root permissions
[21:03] <JontheEchidna> policykit should alleviate this in the future
[21:04] <yuriy> next on the todo then, policykit
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[21:04] <yuriy> meanwhile, have to figure out why it's crashing when run from the menu
[21:05] <rgreening> shtylman: if you figure somethin gout, let me know. I have to drop off for a while (feel free to e-mail me (my address is in the copyright file :P ).
[21:05] <shtylman> rgreening: will do
[21:05] <rgreening> ty
[21:05] <rgreening> Its definately a gobject issue interacting with pyqt.. and not in the update_free function (I blieve)
[21:05] <Sime> yuriy: BTW, I've been working on getting the polkitqt example ported to oython.
[21:05] <rgreening> later
[21:06] <yuriy> Sime: cool. Any ideas why a module might work when system settings is run from the command line and not from the menu? Or how to get a python trace out of it?
[21:08] <Sime> yuriy: the first thing I would do is run it with strace and check where libpython is coming from and the other mods.
[21:09] <yuriy> Sime: but my problem is that it works fine when run from the command line, so how would I do that?
[21:10] <Sime> yuriy: system-settings works from the command line??
[21:15] <yuriy> Sime: as in I can run systemsettings from the command line, and then the module works
[21:15] <Sime> yuriy: but from the menu fails.
[21:16] <yuriy> think i got it, working directory issue
[21:17]  * yuriy kicks himself to not run things from where all the code is sitting
[21:19] <Sime> :)
[21:30] <DaskreeCH> btw is kuser broken? It won't embed into system settings
[21:32] <Mamarok> DaskreeCH: I don't think it ever was in systemsettings, only in the System menu group
[21:42] <harolddong> kopete and lancelot take up gobs of cpu with these new packages.
[21:47] <yuriy> so on my Jaunty machine, I can have some kde widgets in my .ui files, but on karmic I get an error
[21:47] <yuriy> any idea what package i need for that
[21:56] <yuriy> Riddell: ^?
[21:58] <JontheEchidna> the apport retracing service is going bonkers
[21:59] <JontheEchidna> or just retracign really olde bugs that I happen to be assigned to
[21:59] <JontheEchidna> or removing core dumps from duplicates
[22:05] <Riddell> yuriy: /should/ just be python-kde4 with /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/PyQt4/uic/widget-plugins/kde4.py
[22:06] <Riddell> but that may well be broken in karmic currently
[22:08] <yuriy> Riddell: hmm that's there
[22:09] <Riddell> yuriy: what are you developing anyway?
[22:10] <yuriy> userconfig :) i posted a screenshot earlier
[22:10] <yuriy> http://www.yktech.us/temp/userconfig-systemsettings.png
[22:11] <yuriy> just about done, need some help packaging now
[22:13] <flacoste> i'm trying out the new amarok 2.1, and does any one know how the media device support is supposed to work?
[22:13] <flacoste> specifically, i have an iPod touch
[22:13] <flacoste> i downgraded from amarok 2 to 1.4 to have it working
[22:13] <flacoste> but read that 2.1 improved iPod support
[22:13] <flacoste> but i cannot find any info on how it's supposed to work
[22:14] <yuriy> what's with the times for the meeting? all 8-11 pm here
[22:18] <nixternal> hrmm, what was rgreening talking about kcrash earlier?
[22:18] <nixternal> finally got the kde version of apport running, but it goes right into a kcrash and i wasn't sure if the issue might be somewhere else before I dig into it more
[22:19] <yuriy> as in the application crashes and goes into kcrash or as in the apport front end crashes and then you get kcrash for that?
[22:19] <yuriy> the latter would be ironic
[22:19] <nixternal> my app is crashing, which is apport-* :)
[22:20] <nixternal> KCrash: Application '' crashing...
[22:20] <nixternal> sock_file=/home/nixternal/.kde/socket-ShakaDoobie/kdeinit4__0
[22:22] <JontheEchidna> awesome @ userconfig
[22:22] <JontheEchidna> and it only took three developers two dev cycles :P
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> the thing is, I know that when I last touched it things sorta "worked" but there were several debilitating bugs. But now I can't remember what those are...
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> but I am too lazy to downgrade from the broken python-kde4 packages I have now to do any python testing :P
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> I suppose that means I should look in to forking gtk-qt-engine's config module since its C++
[22:30] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: well, i've been working on it for about a week. it's all model/viewified now and I don't *think* there are any debilitating bugs
[22:30] <JontheEchidna> nice, awesome work
[22:32] <yuriy> now for the packaging...
[22:32]  * yuriy looks around
[22:34] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: what's that about broken python-kde4? is that why this isn't running in karmic?
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> oh, the packages that we were working on included empty python-kde4 packages
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> since we didn't build python-kde4
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> but we caught it and disabled the packaging before uploading to karmic
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> pykde apps using dbus are broken currently, though
[22:46] <yuriy> what should go in COPYING for gpl v2+? or is that just up to me now
[22:46] <Riddell> cp /usr/share/common-licences/GPL-2 COPYING
[22:47] <Riddell> oh wow, userconfig working!
[23:17] <Riddell> yuriy: what codebase did you start from with userconfig?
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> wow, my kcm compiles second try :D
[23:20] <JontheEchidna> heh, doesn't work though
[23:23] <yuriy> Riddell: the bzr branch we were working on last year
[23:23] <yuriy> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/guidance/userconfig-kde4
[23:23] <yuriy> I checked, the SVN branch hasn't been touched since it was created
[23:24] <JontheEchidna> ...because I'm not installing the kcm .so
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> woohoo, it works
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> just needs a bit of polish
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> and we might wanna put in some colorscheme config
[23:29] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: what works?
[23:30] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: standalone gtk appearance config module
[23:30] <yuriy> oh nice
[23:30] <JontheEchidna> I took gtk-qt-engine's and am stripping away the gtk-qt-engine specific parts of it
[23:31] <JontheEchidna> we may want to advocate its removal from the archives since it is way buggy and unmaintained
[23:31] <JontheEchidna> it being gtk-qt-engine
[23:33] <JontheEchidna> http://imagebin.ca/view/bGLBgf.html
[23:34] <JontheEchidna> that radio button needs to go
[23:38] <yuriy> Riddell: can you (or whoever) help with packaging this?