[00:27] <kikov> FFForever, did you solved it?
[00:27] <kikov> the subversion http problem
[00:28] <FFForever> kikov, yeah i used an unofficial git repo :)
[00:28] <kikov> would you mind to give me the line?
[00:28] <kikov> I tried to recompile the package with -disable-neon-check-blahblahaba
[00:28] <kikov> but it complains about berkeley db 4.0.14...
[00:29] <FFForever> for django?
[00:29] <kikov> it seems the package is b0rken
[00:29] <kikov> for subversion
[00:29] <FFForever> i didn't recompile svn i just used git to download django :)
[00:29] <kikov> or it just compile in the developer box
[00:29] <FFForever> i didn't attempt to recompile svn since my cpu sucks
[00:41] <cwillu> yoasif, tap to click being disabled is a know regression, I think it's already been fixed though
[00:41] <cwillu> s/know/known
[00:42]  * cwillu pokes BUGabundo 
[00:42] <yoasif> cwillu: hmm, is there a master thread for it? i can test it by removing my preferences.fdi file and post my results
[00:42]  * BUGabundo pokes cwillu on the back
[00:42] <BUGabundo> cwillu: then I need to mark my bug as dupe
[00:42] <cwillu> well, my tap to click worked in jaunty, broke in karmic, sec, let me get the bug
[00:43] <cwillu> heh, I see like 12 dupes already :p
[00:43] <cwillu> bug #378391 is mine
[00:43] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/384968
[00:43]  * BUGabundo tells the bot to dupe my bug to master one.
[00:44]  * BUGabundo SUDO tells the bot to dupe my bug to master one.
[00:45] <kikov> wow... I had to do a patch on subversion package :P
[00:45] <yoasif> cwillu: my bug occurred in intrepid > jaunty as well, but i'll give it a shot
[00:45] <cwillu> yoasif, then you had a different bug
[00:45] <cwillu> or two bugs
[00:46] <yoasif> cwillu: well, let's see what happens when i reboot heh
[00:47] <cwillu> yoasif, I don't know that it's actually been merged yet, you might need the packages from https://launchpad.net/~wgrant/+archive/ppa
[00:48] <cwillu> on the other hand, I don't know that that ppa is actually safe to use :p
[00:49] <cwillu> anyways, I'm tired, I've got grain dust in my eyes and nose, and grain chaff everywhere else
[00:49] <cwillu> I'm taking a shower, and going to bed :p
[00:49] <BUGabundo> bye cwillu
[00:49] <dtchen> yes, the tap-to-click is known
[00:50] <dtchen> i mentioned it to alberto at uds
[00:50] <dtchen> it's fairly easily worked around using xinput
[00:53] <maxb> kikov, FFForever: Rebuilt subversion packages are in my PPA if you like
[00:55] <kikov> I'm finishing compiling
[00:55] <kikov> thanks
[00:56] <kikov> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/maxb/ppa/ubuntu karmic main
[00:56] <kikov> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/maxb/ppa/ubuntu karmic main
[00:56] <kikov> ??
[00:57] <kikov> maxb, how did you solved the Berkeley DB problem?
[01:00] <yoasif> cwillu: no good, no tap to click for me
[01:00] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: what's the transmission PPA with 1.7 ?
[01:02] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kklimonda/+archive/backports for < JJ ;)
[01:02] <BUGabundo> https://edge.launchpad.net/~bortis/+ppa-packages
[01:02] <BUGabundo> is it any good ?
[01:02] <kklimonda> did he updated to 1.7x?
[01:02] <BUGabundo> yep
[01:02] <kklimonda> then sure
[01:03] <kklimonda> hmm.. where is 1.71 in his repo?
[01:03] <kklimonda> oh, svn
[01:04] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: alread 1.71 was released
[01:04] <kklimonda> so it's a bit out of date
[01:04] <BUGabundo> eheh
[01:04] <BUGabundo> its moving fast
[01:04] <BUGabundo> so yours is newer?
[01:04] <BUGabundo> can you branch it?
[01:04] <kklimonda> yeah, I'm uploading package now
[01:04] <BUGabundo> don't really want new users to get ALL those updates you have
[01:05] <BUGabundo> maybe make a new PPA ?
[01:05] <kklimonda> you use karmic anyway
[01:05] <BUGabundo> not me
[01:05] <yoasif> https://edge.launchpad.net/~transmissionbt-nightly/+archive/ppa good to throw into sources.list?
[01:06] <kklimonda> yoasif: it's empty.. ;)
[01:06] <yoasif> kklimonda: what's the ppa for transmission karmic then :p
[01:07] <BUGabundo> yoasif: last time I checked that, it had no packages
[01:07] <kklimonda> yoasif: transmissionbt is more or less official
[01:07] <kklimonda> yoasif: but it's falling behind for now
[01:07] <yoasif> ok gotcha
[01:08] <yoasif> ive got 1.61, it's nice, saw some ui improvements
[01:08] <maxb> kikov: No Berkeley DB problem here
[01:08] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: i can copy all transmission packages to my default ppa as I don't use it anyway
[01:09] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: since now LP allows an user to make manu PPAs for branchs
[01:09] <BUGabundo> it makes it so much easier to keep stuff
[01:09] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: but it doesn't allow disabling, renaming nor deleting them
[01:09] <yoasif> bah have to reboot for my preferences.fdi to take effect
[01:10] <maxb> s/reboot/restart hal and X/
[01:10] <FFForever> maxb, where id your ppa
[01:10] <maxb> FFForever: My LP id is the same as my nick :-)
[01:10] <yoasif> kklimonda: when a ppa doesn't show an entry for karmic, that means that i probably shouldn't use it, right?
[01:11] <kklimonda> yoasif: it means that there was no package built for karmic in this ppa
[01:12] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kklimonda/+archive/ppa
[01:12] <kklimonda> packages should be uploaded soon
[01:34] <Polarina> When can I expect having gcc-4.4?
[01:36] <dtchen> it's already in karmic.
[01:36]  * Polarina has 9.10.
[01:53] <Polarina> Where's the restart button on 9.10?
[04:19] <DanaG> heh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/update-manager/+bug/251349
[04:19] <DanaG>     - always disable version number range of the changes in the      details (LP: #251349)
[04:19] <DanaG> disable... version number?  =
[04:33] <DanaG> yay for evince change:     - Disable bouncing during scrolling
[04:50] <DanaG> " 60_1024x600_gtk*.c.patch: Add scrolled bars into account dialog,        pounce windows and preference window when screen height is less than 600."
[04:50] <DanaG> hmm, shouldn't that be when too short, not when <600 hardcoded?
[05:27] <DanaG> https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudio-discuss/2009-May/003983.html
[05:27] <DanaG> I'd agree with those comments.
[05:39] <DanaG> yay:   * Build-Depend again on libavcodec-dev to bring back the a52 and    lavcrate plugins, now that the ffmpeg transition is over.
[06:16] <kklimonda> I'm looking for a user of Karmic and compiz
[10:25] <scizzo-> kklimonda: why not just ask the question?
[10:26] <kklimonda> scizzo-: good point - somebody can check if bug 343436 is still in karmic?
[10:44] <bullgard4> Will there be available a 'man apport-collect'? See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1145045&page=2
[11:54] <maxb> Anyone using software raid on karmic? Mine just failed to assemble at boot
[11:54] <maxb> There were mentions of dm devices which I've never seen before
[13:15] <BluesKaj> G'Day all
[13:22] <BluesKaj> smbclient can no longer access vista pcs on our network after the latest upgrade ...anyone else affected by this ?
[13:24] <BluesKaj> let me rephrase that : can access the pc , but not the shared folders
[14:19] <telexicon> is pulse audio broken again? sound through it has a lot of static
[14:24] <BluesKaj> dunno about pulse , but alsa uses the drivers for your sound card
[14:26] <telexicon> BluesKaj, what about the driver?
[14:26] <telexicon> if i bypass pulse by using OSS
[14:26] <telexicon> then it works fine
[14:26] <BluesKaj> do you have alsa ?
[14:27] <BluesKaj> alsamixer in the terminal
[14:28] <telexicon> what
[14:28] <telexicon> of course i have alsa
[14:30] <BluesKaj> ok, for some reason, some ppl think pulse replaces alsa
[14:31] <telexicon> it doesnt
[14:31] <telexicon> its a daemon that redirects the ALSA apis through itself
[14:31] <telexicon> as well as the native pulse api
[14:31] <telexicon> and it has emulation layers for other sound APIs
[14:31] <telexicon> alsa itself has an OSS emulation layer
[14:31] <telexicon> if i set an app to use alsa it triggers pulseaudio to start
[14:31] <telexicon> but not if i set it to use oss
[14:32] <BluesKaj> yeah, or a wrapper
[14:32] <telexicon> while making sure pulse isnt running
[14:32] <telexicon> then it'll go through alsa's emulation layer
[14:32] <telexicon> but not pulse, and the sound works fine
[14:36] <BluesKaj> telexicon, try looking in system settings/media and test the sound using the listed drivers for audio. Yesterday after an upgrade , my sound test wasn't working and after rebooting it worked. guess the driver updated it self
[14:37] <telexicon> its not that the sound doesnt work
[14:38] <telexicon> its that its all choppy
[14:38] <telexicon> static
[14:38] <telexicon> pulse audio is corrupting the sound
[14:50] <BluesKaj> telexicon, maybe this will help, http://soft-haus.com/blog/2009/02/14/ubuntu-linux-problems-with-pulseaudio-and-alsa-getting-errors-no-available-audio-device-solved/
[14:50] <joejc> hows stable is it so far?
[14:52] <telexicon> BluesKaj, why are you telling me this
[14:52] <telexicon> BluesKaj, it seems your are projecting your own sound issues onto my situation
[14:52] <telexicon> i have sound, its just got static
[14:52] <BluesKaj> yeah , i had no sound except static too
[14:53] <BluesKaj> try ESD , it might help
[14:53] <telexicon> no
[14:53] <telexicon> lol
[14:53] <telexicon> i _have_ sound
[14:53] <telexicon> i _have_ sound
[14:54] <telexicon> whatever
[16:00] <BluesKaj> google chrome for Linux ! http://dev.chromium.org/getting-involved/dev-channel
[16:04] <Pici> BluesKaj: Please do not post offtopic links here or to any other Ubuntu channel. (besides their offtopic specific channels)
[16:06] <BluesKaj> Pici, you should change your nick's spelling to picky  :)   ... as if there's a lot of action in here right now
[16:07] <Pici> BluesKaj: It is the channel rules regardless of the amount of activity here.
[16:33] <yoasif> anyone else seeing this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/app-install-data-ubuntu/+bug/385248
[16:47] <BUGabundo> boas
[16:47] <BUGabundo> alg aki vivo?
[16:47] <BUGabundo> preciso de um concelho, meus amigos
[16:47] <BUGabundo> oopps. wrong channel. sorry
[16:48] <thekorn> hi yoasif, I'm not running karmic, so I cannot reproduce this one,
[16:49] <thekorn> yoasif, but you have choosen the wrong package, it is most likely not a bug in app-install-data-ubuntu,
[16:49] <thekorn> yoasif, can you please change the taget to 'pauker'
[16:50] <thekorn> hey BUGabundo
[16:53] <BUGabundo> hey thekorn
[16:53] <BUGabundo> yoasif: what's up ?
[16:56] <yofel> yoasif: confirmed, but indeed wrong package like thekorn said.
[16:57] <thekorn> I think there is a "[Desktop Entry]" missing in the first line of pauker.desktop
[17:00] <yofel> thekorn: indeed
[17:14] <yoasif> thekorn: fixin
[17:14] <yoasif> oh you guys got it already, thanks :)
[17:15] <yoasif> BUGabundo: not much, how about yourself
[17:15] <BUGabundo> ehe
[17:15] <BUGabundo> I meant about your prob
[17:15] <BUGabundo> but ok. i'  fine. a bit of rain now...
[17:16] <yoasif> yeah same here... problem isn't much of an issue, just a small error in a package i don't even use
[17:17] <BUGabundo> ok
[17:17] <BUGabundo> great
[17:34] <trask4> hey, about when is it expected karmic to be usable? just fedora usable, dont need to be all ubuntu standard
[17:34] <BUGabundo> trask4: humm about 2 days after release
[17:34] <BUGabundo> :)
[17:35] <charlie-tca> I don't think it gets fedora usable, since fedora is really completely different distribution/OS
[17:35] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: humm same OS
[17:36] <charlie-tca> OH! yeah
[17:36] <charlie-tca> I just don't know what fedora usable is, I guess. I only use Ubuntu/Xubuntu
[17:37] <BUGabundo> eheh
[17:38] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: you have to perdon him. english aint his native language
[17:38] <trask4> i can live with it, as long as my native tounge isnt frensh
[17:39] <charlie-tca> agreed, trask4
[17:39] <BUGabundo> lo
[17:39] <BUGabundo> lol
[17:39] <BUGabundo> so trask4 what exactly is your question?
[17:40] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: xub Q: should all .desktop missing files be filed as bugs?
[17:40] <trask4> but what will i miss out on except mms support wich is half the intention other than the nice name
[17:40] <charlie-tca> yes, BUGabundo
[17:41] <charlie-tca> I tag them for the menu team
[17:41] <BUGabundo> with which tag?
[17:43] <charlie-tca> desktop-file
[17:44] <charlie-tca> "The bug requests the addition/fix of a .desktop file. "
[17:44] <charlie-tca> It gets them noticed pretty quick
[17:48] <BUGabundo> ok
[17:48] <BUGabundo> will past that along to our LoCo xubuntu users
[17:49] <charlie-tca> Please do. The sooner they get reported and tagged, the sooner they get fixed. Most are are change in the line that says "only in gnome"
[17:51] <BUGabundo> we have two karmic users eheh
[17:51] <yoasif> only two?
[17:52] <charlie-tca> You HAVE two!
[17:53] <charlie-tca> I upgraded to karmic, but lost all my sound now
[17:53] <charlie-tca> That means I got four karmic users already?
[17:53] <BUGabundo> ahaha
[17:54] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: install pavucontrol and check sinks
[17:54] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu normally doesn't even put out an image before alpha 2
[17:54] <BUGabundo> mine were set to the wrong one
[17:54] <charlie-tca> Okay, thanks
[17:54] <yoasif> stupid sound
[17:54] <BUGabundo> one is upgrade the other clean install
[17:54] <yoasif> is xubuntu going to be less gnome dependent this time around?
[17:54] <BUGabundo> oops now I remember
[17:54] <BUGabundo> just lost ONE of them
[17:54] <BUGabundo> laptop died :(
[17:54] <BUGabundo> last week
[17:55] <BUGabundo> but he did manage to file a few bugs on it
[17:55]  * Twigathy has a single machine running Karmic - his desktop! :>
[17:55] <charlie-tca> yoasif: probably not, since if the app works, Xubuntu will use it. Being a gnome app does not make it resouce intensive
[17:55] <charlie-tca> Oops, now we are down to three? that was fast...
[17:55] <yoasif> charlie-tca: running the gnome daemons does -- see some of the reviews comparing debian xfce edition and xubuntu
[17:56] <yoasif> i personally don't care too much, since i don't use xubuntu, but i have seem complaints
[17:56] <charlie-tca> aware of them. Sometimes, it is the easiest to maintain, though
[17:56] <yoasif> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090427#feature
[17:56] <charlie-tca> Well, ease of use and installation, verses speed
[17:57] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: lolol
[17:57] <yoasif> installation is simple using the standard ubuntu/debian tools no?
[17:57] <charlie-tca> It is being worked by the Xubuntu development team. THere is hope
[17:57] <BUGabundo> I guess you should check popcon and see the xubuntu seed for karmic
[17:57] <charlie-tca> Installation of debian with xfce is harder, I thought
[17:57] <yoasif> as far as ease of use, xfce seems plenty easy for me :)
[17:57] <BUGabundo> !popcon
[17:58] <yoasif> charlie-tca: there's a cd that does it -- i thought the debian installer was dead simple
[17:58] <charlie-tca> I see.
[17:59] <charlie-tca> I thought you were not running xfce
[17:59] <yoasif> i'm not
[17:59] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: eheh one more !
[17:59] <yoasif> i'm using GNOME right now, but that needs some speed improvements too
[17:59] <yoasif> hoping that the 10 second boot initiative helps with that
[18:00] <charlie-tca> Does that debian installer install Xfce?
[18:00] <charlie-tca> I did not think it did. I think you have to install it later?
[18:01] <yoasif> [   ] debian-501-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso.torrent 13-Apr-2009 03:30   26K  on http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/bt-cd/
[18:13] <dupondje> aptitude doing weird, it sometimes just stops outputting ... it keeps running, and finally completes then, but suddenly no more output :s
[18:20] <Machtin> humm.. is there any good pdf-editor? (opensource..)
[18:21] <BUGabundo> Machtin: only know one and it aint that good
[18:21] <BUGabundo> dupondje: can't reproduce
[18:22] <Machtin> i see.. wanna tell me the name anyway? :)
[18:25] <BUGabundo> Machtin: can't remember the name
[18:25] <BUGabundo> other wise I would already have
[18:26] <Machtin> kk, will try pdfedit then
[18:26] <Machtin> thanks :)
[18:27] <BUGabundo> oka
[18:27] <BUGabundo> I thinks that may be it
[18:38] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: I'm lost! trying to find a search in popcon and I FAIL
[18:44] <charlie-tca> I can't even load it yet
[18:44] <BUGabundo> ahah
[18:45] <BUGabundo> 3018  xubuntu-desktop                53375     0     0     0 53375 (Xubuntu Developers)
[18:46] <charlie-tca> So, that should be Xubuntu installations? How do I get karmic?
[18:46] <BUGabundo> I'm trying to find that now
[18:49] <BUGabundo> ubuntu-desktop                 818295
[18:50] <BUGabundo> so there are 16x times ubuntu users form xubuntu
[18:50] <BUGabundo> eheh
[18:50] <charlie-tca> That is expected
[18:50] <charlie-tca> OTOH, how many installed Ubuntu then installed Xubuntu?
[19:02] <yoasif> does anyone know if https://launchpad.net/~thefirstm/+archive/ppa is broken?
[19:02] <yoasif> ah not broken, but no new nvidia drivers
[19:02] <yoasif> anyone know a ppa for the latest nvidia drivers?
[19:03] <yoasif> hmm
[19:03] <BUGabundo> bbl
[19:03] <yoasif> maybe this is it... nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 - 185.19.1~really185.18.14-0ubuntu0
[19:03] <dupondje> BUGabundo: got it like half of the time here :s
[19:29] <maxb> What populates /dev/disk/by-*/ ?
[19:29] <dupondje> udev
[19:29] <maxb> I though udev, but in that case, how can it contain symlinks pointing to device nodes that do not exist!?
[19:30] <dupondje> no freaky id :)
[19:30] <maxb> One of my partitions has suddenly decided to become invisible to udev :-/
[19:36] <maxb> Debugging boot-time udev is hard :-/
[19:36] <maxb> How are you supposed to read its logs!?
[20:03] <hggdh> heh
[20:04] <hggdh> I bypassed it by changing the log location to /
[20:14] <DanaG> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzMxMg
[20:14] <DanaG> hmm.... one bummer about grub2: no "savedefault" feature!
[20:24] <maxb> hggdh: ?
[20:25]  * maxb finds that karmic + software raid == badness
[20:26] <yoasif> anyone use transmission here?
[20:27] <yoasif> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/transmission/+bug/385334 if you use transmission, see if you can reproduce it...
[20:32] <hggdh> maxb, I changed the udev startup to write the file on the root (in my case I have multiple FSs)
[20:32] <hggdh> so I could find out what happened. But this was in early Jaunty
[20:34] <maxb> udev seems to write to syslog or the console, not a file?
[20:39] <LordKow> yay finally grub2 as default
[20:39] <DanaG> I hope they implement a friggin' savedefault feature.
[20:39] <DanaG> That's one reason I refuse to use grub2 right now.
[20:40] <DanaG> No way to have it default to whatever I last booted.
[20:40] <LordKow> hell, we could implement that ourselves. piece of cake to add
[20:40] <LordKow> sorry for language wasnt thinkin :P
[20:42] <LordKow> im thinking under advanced options of ubiquity you could select grub legacy instead of grub2
[20:44] <DanaG> Oh, and it would be good to have the grub2 package set up both grub-pc and grub-efi.
[20:44] <DanaG> Like Fedora does.
[20:58] <DanaG> Is there any way to do savedefault with grub2?
[22:28] <ak4d7> whenever i restart or logout my settings are gone
[22:45] <cwillu> DanaG, they just added that feature to svn like a week ago, I don't know that our snapshot would have it yet
[22:46] <cwillu> I kinda get the impression that the grub2 people are offended that distros package up a somewhat-random svn version
[22:46] <DanaG> Which feature... the savedefault, or the "both versions"?
[22:46] <cwillu> although their approach to releases lease something to be desired (namely, a release)
[22:46] <cwillu> the savedefault
[22:46] <DanaG> ah.  Cool.
[22:46] <cwillu> they bit my head off when I asked in irc :p
[22:47] <DanaG> I also see that the KMS PPA doesn't do R600 KMS... bummer.
[22:47] <DanaG> Even without Plymouth, KMS is a great help... gives native usplash.
[22:47] <cwillu> DanaG, #ubuntu-x might be able to give you some info about 4600
[22:47] <cwillu> r600 rather
[22:48] <DanaG> oddly enough, grub2 EFI shows itself centered on-screen, not stretched.
[22:48] <cwillu> LordKow, I'm unconvinced that grub2 is such a good idea while the grub2 devs themselves aren't willing to make a release :)
[23:55] <yoasif> cwillu: hey, it needs testing :)
[23:57] <cwillu> yoasif, then they should tag recent as a rc or beta :p
[23:58] <cwillu> I mean, it's not like we don't have man-centuries of experience telling us that keeping the development process hidden from real world concerns is a bad thing :p
[23:58] <cwillu> (we're talking about grub2, right? :p)