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kikov | FFForever, did you solved it? | 00:27 |
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kikov | the subversion http problem | 00:27 |
FFForever | kikov, yeah i used an unofficial git repo :) | 00:28 |
kikov | would you mind to give me the line? | 00:28 |
kikov | I tried to recompile the package with -disable-neon-check-blahblahaba | 00:28 |
kikov | but it complains about berkeley db 4.0.14... | 00:28 |
FFForever | for django? | 00:29 |
kikov | it seems the package is b0rken | 00:29 |
kikov | for subversion | 00:29 |
FFForever | i didn't recompile svn i just used git to download django :) | 00:29 |
kikov | or it just compile in the developer box | 00:29 |
FFForever | i didn't attempt to recompile svn since my cpu sucks | 00:29 |
cwillu | yoasif, tap to click being disabled is a know regression, I think it's already been fixed though | 00:41 |
cwillu | s/know/known | 00:41 |
* cwillu pokes BUGabundo | 00:42 | |
yoasif | cwillu: hmm, is there a master thread for it? i can test it by removing my preferences.fdi file and post my results | 00:42 |
* BUGabundo pokes cwillu on the back | 00:42 | |
BUGabundo | cwillu: then I need to mark my bug as dupe | 00:42 |
cwillu | well, my tap to click worked in jaunty, broke in karmic, sec, let me get the bug | 00:42 |
cwillu | heh, I see like 12 dupes already :p | 00:43 |
cwillu | bug #378391 is mine | 00:43 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 378391 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "Source rename clobbered local changes (so tapping not working in Karmic)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/378391 | 00:43 |
BUGabundo | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/384968 | 00:43 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 384968 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "no tap to click" [Undecided,New] | 00:43 |
* BUGabundo tells the bot to dupe my bug to master one. | 00:43 | |
* BUGabundo SUDO tells the bot to dupe my bug to master one. | 00:44 | |
kikov | wow... I had to do a patch on subversion package :P | 00:45 |
yoasif | cwillu: my bug occurred in intrepid > jaunty as well, but i'll give it a shot | 00:45 |
cwillu | yoasif, then you had a different bug | 00:45 |
cwillu | or two bugs | 00:45 |
yoasif | cwillu: well, let's see what happens when i reboot heh | 00:46 |
cwillu | yoasif, I don't know that it's actually been merged yet, you might need the packages from https://launchpad.net/~wgrant/+archive/ppa | 00:47 |
cwillu | on the other hand, I don't know that that ppa is actually safe to use :p | 00:48 |
cwillu | anyways, I'm tired, I've got grain dust in my eyes and nose, and grain chaff everywhere else | 00:49 |
cwillu | I'm taking a shower, and going to bed :p | 00:49 |
BUGabundo | bye cwillu | 00:49 |
dtchen | yes, the tap-to-click is known | 00:49 |
dtchen | i mentioned it to alberto at uds | 00:50 |
dtchen | it's fairly easily worked around using xinput | 00:50 |
maxb | kikov, FFForever: Rebuilt subversion packages are in my PPA if you like | 00:53 |
kikov | I'm finishing compiling | 00:55 |
kikov | thanks | 00:55 |
kikov | deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/maxb/ppa/ubuntu karmic main | 00:56 |
kikov | deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/maxb/ppa/ubuntu karmic main | 00:56 |
kikov | ?? | 00:56 |
kikov | maxb, how did you solved the Berkeley DB problem? | 00:57 |
yoasif | cwillu: no good, no tap to click for me | 01:00 |
BUGabundo | kklimonda: what's the transmission PPA with 1.7 ? | 01:00 |
kklimonda | BUGabundo: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kklimonda/+archive/backports for < JJ ;) | 01:02 |
BUGabundo | https://edge.launchpad.net/~bortis/+ppa-packages | 01:02 |
BUGabundo | is it any good ? | 01:02 |
kklimonda | did he updated to 1.7x? | 01:02 |
BUGabundo | yep | 01:02 |
kklimonda | then sure | 01:02 |
kklimonda | hmm.. where is 1.71 in his repo? | 01:03 |
kklimonda | oh, svn | 01:03 |
kklimonda | BUGabundo: alread 1.71 was released | 01:04 |
kklimonda | so it's a bit out of date | 01:04 |
BUGabundo | eheh | 01:04 |
BUGabundo | its moving fast | 01:04 |
BUGabundo | so yours is newer? | 01:04 |
BUGabundo | can you branch it? | 01:04 |
kklimonda | yeah, I'm uploading package now | 01:04 |
BUGabundo | don't really want new users to get ALL those updates you have | 01:04 |
BUGabundo | maybe make a new PPA ? | 01:05 |
kklimonda | you use karmic anyway | 01:05 |
BUGabundo | not me | 01:05 |
yoasif | https://edge.launchpad.net/~transmissionbt-nightly/+archive/ppa good to throw into sources.list? | 01:05 |
kklimonda | yoasif: it's empty.. ;) | 01:06 |
yoasif | kklimonda: what's the ppa for transmission karmic then :p | 01:06 |
BUGabundo | yoasif: last time I checked that, it had no packages | 01:07 |
kklimonda | yoasif: transmissionbt is more or less official | 01:07 |
kklimonda | yoasif: but it's falling behind for now | 01:07 |
yoasif | ok gotcha | 01:07 |
yoasif | ive got 1.61, it's nice, saw some ui improvements | 01:08 |
maxb | kikov: No Berkeley DB problem here | 01:08 |
kklimonda | BUGabundo: i can copy all transmission packages to my default ppa as I don't use it anyway | 01:08 |
BUGabundo | kklimonda: since now LP allows an user to make manu PPAs for branchs | 01:09 |
BUGabundo | it makes it so much easier to keep stuff | 01:09 |
kklimonda | BUGabundo: but it doesn't allow disabling, renaming nor deleting them | 01:09 |
yoasif | bah have to reboot for my preferences.fdi to take effect | 01:09 |
maxb | s/reboot/restart hal and X/ | 01:10 |
FFForever | maxb, where id your ppa | 01:10 |
maxb | FFForever: My LP id is the same as my nick :-) | 01:10 |
yoasif | kklimonda: when a ppa doesn't show an entry for karmic, that means that i probably shouldn't use it, right? | 01:10 |
kklimonda | yoasif: it means that there was no package built for karmic in this ppa | 01:11 |
kklimonda | BUGabundo: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kklimonda/+archive/ppa | 01:12 |
kklimonda | packages should be uploaded soon | 01:12 |
Polarina | When can I expect having gcc-4.4? | 01:34 |
dtchen | it's already in karmic. | 01:36 |
* Polarina has 9.10. | 01:36 | |
Polarina | Where's the restart button on 9.10? | 01:53 |
DanaG | heh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/update-manager/+bug/251349 | 04:19 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 251349 in update-manager "show new version even if changelog is not available" [Undecided,Fix released] | 04:19 |
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DanaG | - always disable version number range of the changes in the details (LP: #251349) | 04:19 |
DanaG | disable... version number? = | 04:19 |
DanaG | yay for evince change: - Disable bouncing during scrolling | 04:33 |
DanaG | " 60_1024x600_gtk*.c.patch: Add scrolled bars into account dialog, pounce windows and preference window when screen height is less than 600." | 04:50 |
DanaG | hmm, shouldn't that be when too short, not when <600 hardcoded? | 04:50 |
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DanaG | https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudio-discuss/2009-May/003983.html | 05:27 |
DanaG | I'd agree with those comments. | 05:27 |
DanaG | yay: * Build-Depend again on libavcodec-dev to bring back the a52 and lavcrate plugins, now that the ffmpeg transition is over. | 05:39 |
kklimonda | I'm looking for a user of Karmic and compiz | 06:16 |
scizzo- | kklimonda: why not just ask the question? | 10:25 |
kklimonda | scizzo-: good point - somebody can check if bug 343436 is still in karmic? | 10:26 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 343436 in transmission "transmission doesn't restore to the same location when using notification area icon" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/343436 | 10:26 |
bullgard4 | Will there be available a 'man apport-collect'? See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1145045&page=2 | 10:44 |
maxb | Anyone using software raid on karmic? Mine just failed to assemble at boot | 11:54 |
maxb | There were mentions of dm devices which I've never seen before | 11:54 |
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BluesKaj | G'Day all | 13:15 |
BluesKaj | smbclient can no longer access vista pcs on our network after the latest upgrade ...anyone else affected by this ? | 13:22 |
BluesKaj | let me rephrase that : can access the pc , but not the shared folders | 13:24 |
telexicon | is pulse audio broken again? sound through it has a lot of static | 14:19 |
BluesKaj | dunno about pulse , but alsa uses the drivers for your sound card | 14:24 |
telexicon | BluesKaj, what about the driver? | 14:26 |
telexicon | if i bypass pulse by using OSS | 14:26 |
telexicon | then it works fine | 14:26 |
BluesKaj | do you have alsa ? | 14:26 |
BluesKaj | alsamixer in the terminal | 14:27 |
telexicon | what | 14:28 |
telexicon | of course i have alsa | 14:28 |
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BluesKaj | ok, for some reason, some ppl think pulse replaces alsa | 14:30 |
telexicon | it doesnt | 14:31 |
telexicon | its a daemon that redirects the ALSA apis through itself | 14:31 |
telexicon | as well as the native pulse api | 14:31 |
telexicon | and it has emulation layers for other sound APIs | 14:31 |
telexicon | alsa itself has an OSS emulation layer | 14:31 |
telexicon | if i set an app to use alsa it triggers pulseaudio to start | 14:31 |
telexicon | but not if i set it to use oss | 14:31 |
BluesKaj | yeah, or a wrapper | 14:32 |
telexicon | while making sure pulse isnt running | 14:32 |
telexicon | then it'll go through alsa's emulation layer | 14:32 |
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telexicon | but not pulse, and the sound works fine | 14:32 |
BluesKaj | telexicon, try looking in system settings/media and test the sound using the listed drivers for audio. Yesterday after an upgrade , my sound test wasn't working and after rebooting it worked. guess the driver updated it self | 14:36 |
telexicon | its not that the sound doesnt work | 14:37 |
telexicon | its that its all choppy | 14:38 |
telexicon | static | 14:38 |
telexicon | pulse audio is corrupting the sound | 14:38 |
BluesKaj | telexicon, maybe this will help, http://soft-haus.com/blog/2009/02/14/ubuntu-linux-problems-with-pulseaudio-and-alsa-getting-errors-no-available-audio-device-solved/ | 14:50 |
joejc | hows stable is it so far? | 14:50 |
telexicon | BluesKaj, why are you telling me this | 14:52 |
telexicon | BluesKaj, it seems your are projecting your own sound issues onto my situation | 14:52 |
telexicon | i have sound, its just got static | 14:52 |
BluesKaj | yeah , i had no sound except static too | 14:52 |
BluesKaj | try ESD , it might help | 14:53 |
telexicon | no | 14:53 |
telexicon | lol | 14:53 |
telexicon | i _have_ sound | 14:53 |
telexicon | i _have_ sound | 14:53 |
telexicon | whatever | 14:54 |
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BluesKaj | google chrome for Linux ! http://dev.chromium.org/getting-involved/dev-channel | 16:00 |
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Pici | BluesKaj: Please do not post offtopic links here or to any other Ubuntu channel. (besides their offtopic specific channels) | 16:04 |
BluesKaj | Pici, you should change your nick's spelling to picky :) ... as if there's a lot of action in here right now | 16:06 |
Pici | BluesKaj: It is the channel rules regardless of the amount of activity here. | 16:07 |
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yoasif | anyone else seeing this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/app-install-data-ubuntu/+bug/385248 | 16:33 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 385248 in app-install-data-ubuntu "[karmic] bad .desktop file: /usr/share/app-install/desktop/pauker.desktop" [Undecided,New] | 16:33 |
BUGabundo | boas | 16:47 |
BUGabundo | alg aki vivo? | 16:47 |
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BUGabundo | preciso de um concelho, meus amigos | 16:47 |
BUGabundo | oopps. wrong channel. sorry | 16:47 |
thekorn | hi yoasif, I'm not running karmic, so I cannot reproduce this one, | 16:48 |
thekorn | yoasif, but you have choosen the wrong package, it is most likely not a bug in app-install-data-ubuntu, | 16:49 |
thekorn | yoasif, can you please change the taget to 'pauker' | 16:49 |
thekorn | hey BUGabundo | 16:50 |
BUGabundo | hey thekorn | 16:53 |
BUGabundo | yoasif: what's up ? | 16:53 |
yofel | yoasif: confirmed, but indeed wrong package like thekorn said. | 16:56 |
thekorn | I think there is a "[Desktop Entry]" missing in the first line of pauker.desktop | 16:57 |
yofel | thekorn: indeed | 17:00 |
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yoasif | thekorn: fixin | 17:14 |
yoasif | oh you guys got it already, thanks :) | 17:14 |
yoasif | BUGabundo: not much, how about yourself | 17:15 |
BUGabundo | ehe | 17:15 |
BUGabundo | I meant about your prob | 17:15 |
BUGabundo | but ok. i' fine. a bit of rain now... | 17:15 |
yoasif | yeah same here... problem isn't much of an issue, just a small error in a package i don't even use | 17:16 |
BUGabundo | ok | 17:17 |
BUGabundo | great | 17:17 |
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trask4 | hey, about when is it expected karmic to be usable? just fedora usable, dont need to be all ubuntu standard | 17:34 |
BUGabundo | trask4: humm about 2 days after release | 17:34 |
BUGabundo | :) | 17:34 |
charlie-tca | I don't think it gets fedora usable, since fedora is really completely different distribution/OS | 17:35 |
BUGabundo | charlie-tca: humm same OS | 17:35 |
charlie-tca | OH! yeah | 17:36 |
charlie-tca | I just don't know what fedora usable is, I guess. I only use Ubuntu/Xubuntu | 17:36 |
BUGabundo | eheh | 17:37 |
BUGabundo | charlie-tca: you have to perdon him. english aint his native language | 17:38 |
trask4 | i can live with it, as long as my native tounge isnt frensh | 17:38 |
charlie-tca | agreed, trask4 | 17:39 |
BUGabundo | lo | 17:39 |
BUGabundo | lol | 17:39 |
BUGabundo | so trask4 what exactly is your question? | 17:39 |
BUGabundo | charlie-tca: xub Q: should all .desktop missing files be filed as bugs? | 17:40 |
trask4 | but what will i miss out on except mms support wich is half the intention other than the nice name | 17:40 |
charlie-tca | yes, BUGabundo | 17:40 |
charlie-tca | I tag them for the menu team | 17:41 |
BUGabundo | with which tag? | 17:41 |
charlie-tca | desktop-file | 17:43 |
charlie-tca | "The bug requests the addition/fix of a .desktop file. " | 17:44 |
charlie-tca | It gets them noticed pretty quick | 17:44 |
BUGabundo | ok | 17:48 |
BUGabundo | will past that along to our LoCo xubuntu users | 17:48 |
charlie-tca | Please do. The sooner they get reported and tagged, the sooner they get fixed. Most are are change in the line that says "only in gnome" | 17:49 |
BUGabundo | we have two karmic users eheh | 17:51 |
yoasif | only two? | 17:51 |
charlie-tca | You HAVE two! | 17:52 |
charlie-tca | I upgraded to karmic, but lost all my sound now | 17:53 |
charlie-tca | That means I got four karmic users already? | 17:53 |
BUGabundo | ahaha | 17:53 |
BUGabundo | charlie-tca: install pavucontrol and check sinks | 17:54 |
charlie-tca | Xubuntu normally doesn't even put out an image before alpha 2 | 17:54 |
BUGabundo | mine were set to the wrong one | 17:54 |
charlie-tca | Okay, thanks | 17:54 |
yoasif | stupid sound | 17:54 |
BUGabundo | one is upgrade the other clean install | 17:54 |
yoasif | is xubuntu going to be less gnome dependent this time around? | 17:54 |
BUGabundo | oops now I remember | 17:54 |
BUGabundo | just lost ONE of them | 17:54 |
BUGabundo | laptop died :( | 17:54 |
BUGabundo | last week | 17:54 |
BUGabundo | but he did manage to file a few bugs on it | 17:55 |
* Twigathy has a single machine running Karmic - his desktop! :> | 17:55 | |
charlie-tca | yoasif: probably not, since if the app works, Xubuntu will use it. Being a gnome app does not make it resouce intensive | 17:55 |
charlie-tca | Oops, now we are down to three? that was fast... | 17:55 |
yoasif | charlie-tca: running the gnome daemons does -- see some of the reviews comparing debian xfce edition and xubuntu | 17:55 |
yoasif | i personally don't care too much, since i don't use xubuntu, but i have seem complaints | 17:56 |
charlie-tca | aware of them. Sometimes, it is the easiest to maintain, though | 17:56 |
yoasif | http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090427#feature | 17:56 |
charlie-tca | Well, ease of use and installation, verses speed | 17:56 |
BUGabundo | charlie-tca: lolol | 17:57 |
yoasif | installation is simple using the standard ubuntu/debian tools no? | 17:57 |
charlie-tca | It is being worked by the Xubuntu development team. THere is hope | 17:57 |
BUGabundo | I guess you should check popcon and see the xubuntu seed for karmic | 17:57 |
charlie-tca | Installation of debian with xfce is harder, I thought | 17:57 |
yoasif | as far as ease of use, xfce seems plenty easy for me :) | 17:57 |
BUGabundo | !popcon | 17:57 |
ubottu | The Ubuntu Popularity Contest project is an attempt to map the usage of Ubuntu packages. To participate, install the package "popularity-contest", and see http://popcon.ubuntu.com/ and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucasNussbaum/PopconDraft | 17:57 |
yoasif | charlie-tca: there's a cd that does it -- i thought the debian installer was dead simple | 17:58 |
charlie-tca | I see. | 17:58 |
charlie-tca | I thought you were not running xfce | 17:59 |
yoasif | i'm not | 17:59 |
BUGabundo | charlie-tca: eheh one more ! | 17:59 |
yoasif | i'm using GNOME right now, but that needs some speed improvements too | 17:59 |
yoasif | hoping that the 10 second boot initiative helps with that | 17:59 |
charlie-tca | Does that debian installer install Xfce? | 18:00 |
charlie-tca | I did not think it did. I think you have to install it later? | 18:00 |
yoasif | [ ] debian-501-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso.torrent 13-Apr-2009 03:30 26K on http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/bt-cd/ | 18:01 |
dupondje | aptitude doing weird, it sometimes just stops outputting ... it keeps running, and finally completes then, but suddenly no more output :s | 18:13 |
Machtin | humm.. is there any good pdf-editor? (opensource..) | 18:20 |
BUGabundo | Machtin: only know one and it aint that good | 18:21 |
BUGabundo | dupondje: can't reproduce | 18:21 |
Machtin | i see.. wanna tell me the name anyway? :) | 18:22 |
BUGabundo | Machtin: can't remember the name | 18:25 |
BUGabundo | other wise I would already have | 18:25 |
Machtin | kk, will try pdfedit then | 18:26 |
Machtin | thanks :) | 18:26 |
BUGabundo | oka | 18:27 |
BUGabundo | I thinks that may be it | 18:27 |
BUGabundo | charlie-tca: I'm lost! trying to find a search in popcon and I FAIL | 18:38 |
charlie-tca | I can't even load it yet | 18:44 |
BUGabundo | ahah | 18:44 |
BUGabundo | 3018 xubuntu-desktop 53375 0 0 0 53375 (Xubuntu Developers) | 18:45 |
charlie-tca | So, that should be Xubuntu installations? How do I get karmic? | 18:46 |
BUGabundo | I'm trying to find that now | 18:46 |
BUGabundo | ubuntu-desktop 818295 | 18:49 |
BUGabundo | so there are 16x times ubuntu users form xubuntu | 18:50 |
BUGabundo | eheh | 18:50 |
charlie-tca | That is expected | 18:50 |
charlie-tca | OTOH, how many installed Ubuntu then installed Xubuntu? | 18:50 |
yoasif | does anyone know if https://launchpad.net/~thefirstm/+archive/ppa is broken? | 19:02 |
yoasif | ah not broken, but no new nvidia drivers | 19:02 |
yoasif | anyone know a ppa for the latest nvidia drivers? | 19:02 |
yoasif | hmm | 19:03 |
BUGabundo | bbl | 19:03 |
yoasif | maybe this is it... nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 - 185.19.1~really185.18.14-0ubuntu0 | 19:03 |
dupondje | BUGabundo: got it like half of the time here :s | 19:03 |
maxb | What populates /dev/disk/by-*/ ? | 19:29 |
dupondje | udev | 19:29 |
maxb | I though udev, but in that case, how can it contain symlinks pointing to device nodes that do not exist!? | 19:29 |
dupondje | no freaky id :) | 19:30 |
maxb | One of my partitions has suddenly decided to become invisible to udev :-/ | 19:30 |
maxb | Debugging boot-time udev is hard :-/ | 19:36 |
maxb | How are you supposed to read its logs!? | 19:36 |
hggdh | heh | 20:03 |
hggdh | I bypassed it by changing the log location to / | 20:04 |
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DanaG | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzMxMg | 20:14 |
DanaG | hmm.... one bummer about grub2: no "savedefault" feature! | 20:14 |
maxb | hggdh: ? | 20:24 |
* maxb finds that karmic + software raid == badness | 20:25 | |
yoasif | anyone use transmission here? | 20:26 |
yoasif | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/transmission/+bug/385334 if you use transmission, see if you can reproduce it... | 20:27 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 385334 in transmission "[karmic] removing download items makes property window useless" [Undecided,New] | 20:27 |
hggdh | maxb, I changed the udev startup to write the file on the root (in my case I have multiple FSs) | 20:32 |
hggdh | so I could find out what happened. But this was in early Jaunty | 20:32 |
maxb | udev seems to write to syslog or the console, not a file? | 20:34 |
LordKow | yay finally grub2 as default | 20:39 |
DanaG | I hope they implement a friggin' savedefault feature. | 20:39 |
DanaG | That's one reason I refuse to use grub2 right now. | 20:39 |
DanaG | No way to have it default to whatever I last booted. | 20:40 |
LordKow | hell, we could implement that ourselves. piece of cake to add | 20:40 |
LordKow | sorry for language wasnt thinkin :P | 20:40 |
LordKow | im thinking under advanced options of ubiquity you could select grub legacy instead of grub2 | 20:42 |
DanaG | Oh, and it would be good to have the grub2 package set up both grub-pc and grub-efi. | 20:44 |
DanaG | Like Fedora does. | 20:44 |
DanaG | Is there any way to do savedefault with grub2? | 20:58 |
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ak4d7 | whenever i restart or logout my settings are gone | 22:28 |
cwillu | DanaG, they just added that feature to svn like a week ago, I don't know that our snapshot would have it yet | 22:45 |
cwillu | I kinda get the impression that the grub2 people are offended that distros package up a somewhat-random svn version | 22:46 |
DanaG | Which feature... the savedefault, or the "both versions"? | 22:46 |
cwillu | although their approach to releases lease something to be desired (namely, a release) | 22:46 |
cwillu | the savedefault | 22:46 |
DanaG | ah. Cool. | 22:46 |
cwillu | they bit my head off when I asked in irc :p | 22:46 |
DanaG | I also see that the KMS PPA doesn't do R600 KMS... bummer. | 22:47 |
DanaG | Even without Plymouth, KMS is a great help... gives native usplash. | 22:47 |
cwillu | DanaG, #ubuntu-x might be able to give you some info about 4600 | 22:47 |
cwillu | r600 rather | 22:47 |
DanaG | oddly enough, grub2 EFI shows itself centered on-screen, not stretched. | 22:48 |
cwillu | LordKow, I'm unconvinced that grub2 is such a good idea while the grub2 devs themselves aren't willing to make a release :) | 22:48 |
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yoasif | cwillu: hey, it needs testing :) | 23:55 |
cwillu | yoasif, then they should tag recent as a rc or beta :p | 23:57 |
cwillu | I mean, it's not like we don't have man-centuries of experience telling us that keeping the development process hidden from real world concerns is a bad thing :p | 23:58 |
cwillu | (we're talking about grub2, right? :p) | 23:58 |
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