[09:17] <pan1nx> persia, what is the Architecture target for the ARM drop? ARM what? ARM 9? What toolchain is used to build those packages?
[09:20] <persia> pan1nx, I'm not sure what you mean by "ARM drop".  I know Jaunty worked on ARMv5t+.  I hear that the requirements will be higher for karmic, but haven't examined the gcc and glibc changes in detail.
[09:20] <persia> The toolchain is just the standard Ubuntu toolchain.  apt-get source is your friend.
[09:21] <persia> (plus #ubuntu-arm is probably a better place to ask, and may be more likely to have people who know the real details).
[09:26] <pan1nx> thanks persia...
[09:34] <amitk> pan1nx: karmic will probably be ARMv6+VFP+NEON
[09:35] <pan1nx> thanks amitk
[09:36] <pan1nx> amitk is there a place where I can read a statement about this?
[09:36] <amitk> pan1nx: you should probably look at the blueprints and spec for UDS Karmic.
[09:40] <pan1nx> maybe lool knows more :D
[09:40] <pan1nx> but he is away....
[09:58] <lamalex> Any of the netbook launcher people around?
[09:58] <lamalex> if I mess with the launcher on my laptop, it seems to be ok with compositing, but on a netbook it freaks out
[09:58] <lamalex> any idea why?
[10:03] <persia> lamalex, Which video card does the device with issues have?
[10:04] <lamalex> persia: intel 945gme
[10:06] <persia> Ah, then I'm not sure.  Some people have the psb chipset, which ends up having some issues sometimes.
[10:07] <lamalex> yah
[10:07] <lamalex> it /should/ work though?
[10:09] <lamalex> another question- a while ago the netbook launcher would show up in the alt-tab pager
[10:09] <lamalex> this was removed, any idea how to get it back?
[10:43] <persia> Yes, it *should* work.
[10:44] <persia> (and no, I have no idea how to make the launcher appear/not appear in the application-switcher)
[10:44] <persia> Well, stab-in-the-dark: there might be some gconf key.
[11:52] <lamalex> njpatel:ping
[11:53] <njpatel> lamalex: pong
[11:54] <lamalex> njpatel: do you know where i can find the metacity patch to show the unr launcher in the alt-tab menu?
[11:55] <njpatel> lamalex: sure, one sec
[12:00] <njpatel> lamalex: http://pastebin.com/m6d9be3a5
[12:00] <lamalex> youre the man
[12:00] <lamalex> so this has been removed from UNR now?
[12:01] <njpatel> lamalex: some patches couldn't make it into distro without a bunch of work (this one needs a gconf key etc so it's optional), I just ran out of time
[12:02] <lamalex> right on
[12:02] <lamalex> thanks for the help :)
[12:02] <njpatel> lamalex: I did make a metacity package for jaunty in the netbook-remix-team PPA, which I just realised doesn't have this patch, so I'm sending up a new package now which includes this (and it already includes a patch that fixes the annoying 23px missing at the bottom of some maximised windows)
[12:02] <njpatel> np, thanks for reminding me about it :)
[12:03] <lamalex> oh, nice
[12:03] <lamalex> you just saved me some work
[12:04] <njpatel> cool, new package should hit the PPA in a bit
[12:05] <lamalex> thanks dude, you're the man
[12:27] <lamalex> njpatel: what did you name the package? metacity?
[12:27] <njpatel> lamalex: metacity - 1:2.25.144-0ubuntu2-0jaunty2 (https://edge.launchpad.net/~netbook-remix-team/+archive/ppa)
[12:28] <njpatel> it's still buildng/publishing I think
[12:28] <lamalex> ah, wrong team ppa
[12:28] <lamalex> i rule
[12:28] <njpatel> heh :)
[12:35] <lamalex> njpatel: so i installed your package, but i dont see the gconf key
[12:35] <njpatel> lamalex: there isn't one...that's why it isn't in the main package
[12:36] <lamalex> ah
[12:36] <njpatel> lamalex: at the moment it's hardcoded to do that, which sucks, but it's a time thing
[12:36] <lamalex> then i dont see the alt-tab option
[12:36] <lamalex> no
[12:36] <lamalex> im just stupid
[12:36] <lamalex> :)
[12:36] <njpatel> :)
[15:38] <lool> amitk: Concerning toolchain, I'm not sure we'll turn on NEON in the compiler; it's currently worthless and I don't expect it will have an high impact soon, but it does exclude some platforms as NEON is optional (AIUI)
[15:38] <lool> amitk: But otherwise you were correct: v6 + vfp
[15:38] <lool> as soon as we have buildd
[15:39] <amitk> lool: what do you mean by "but it does exclude some platforms as NEON is optional"?
[15:40] <lool> amitk: I think you can implement a cortex a8 platform with vfp but without neon
[15:41] <amitk> lool: aah, I understand now.
[15:41] <lool> It's not what we typically target though
[17:02] <rzr__> yet an other distro (maemo+ubuntu) for FreeRunner -  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mer