[00:00] What a stupid argument man. It's a game. A channel in which I posted the URL twice. I'll be sure to be ever so strict, and will remember it. [00:01] If this is an effort to clean up a messy channel, it's a poor one. [00:02] That's all I have to say. [00:02] he's usually the first to complain about spam... [00:13] besides, its not to 'clean up' its to 'prevent from getting worse' [00:32] ugh [00:32] I don't like seeing those hilights in my away log from people who I thought knew better [00:39] i dont see why it's so hard to differentiate between a spammy flash game and something like t61 which is a lastfm+jamendo free-culture supporting thing [00:41] * Flannel has a t61. What is this other t61 of which you speak? [00:42] The one that confuses me as being a acronym thats already taken [00:43] thesixtyone.com. abbreviated to t61 to avoid url spam. [00:45] besides, unless your phone is "a lastfm+jamendo free-culture supporting thing" that shouldnt have been *that* confusing. [00:45] phone? try laptop. [00:45] aaditya called the ops in #ubuntu () [00:45] and, it is confusing seeing everyone talking about t61s [00:46] taken care of [00:46] Mmm, why didn't floodbots gobble him up [00:47] Because the first few were spaced out [00:58] well that's ok since we're not going to talk about it again, as it clearly encourages otherwise normal people to engage in referrer flash games [00:59] Hey unop is still around. [01:02] In ubottu, Oven1 said: nothing is changing when I run the stuff on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution [01:11] !patience [01:11] Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience [01:11] the factoid is recursive.. [01:12] !-patience [01:12] patience is repeat - added by Seveas on 2006-06-18 15:48:16 - last edited by Pici on 2009-06-05 12:49:50 [01:12] Thanks aaditya [01:12] !-repeat [01:12] repeat aliases: patience - added by Seveas on 2006-06-18 19:01:48 - last edited by tonyyarusso on 2007-02-23 20:00:34 [01:13] !no repeat is Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. [01:13] I'll remember that Pricey [01:13] !patience [01:13] Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. [01:13] maybe a link to guidelines? [01:14] Perhaps needlessly on the offensive? It can always be triggered separately? [01:14] I thought instead of wiki.ubuntu.com we link to the forums [01:14] Feel free though. [01:15] since, wiki.ubuntu.com isn't where they should be going (at least in the support channels, team channels are another matter) [01:15] yeah, forums can keep them entertained for a few mins [01:17] i agree, they should be searching the forums [01:17] !no repeat is Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org while you wait. [01:17] I'll remember that Pricey [01:18] thanks Pricey [01:18] see ya'll around [01:18] Nope thankyou :) [01:18] :) [01:41] * genii sips [01:42] Myrtti: For the flag earlier: I figure !alternate factoid is fine since 8.04 is the current LTS version [01:43] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [01:45] genii, not for K it isnt... [01:47] elky_work: We currently don't have a K long-term-support version as I understand [01:49] correct. [01:54] I still don't think we should change the factoid however...because: 8.04 is the closest we DO have to an LTS and there will still be people using it and using the regular Ubuntu updates part of it as long as that is still available .. and .. pointing it to 9.04 when it has still a lot of unresolved issues doesn't seem prudent to me [01:54] But thats just my two bit's worth :) [01:57] Yeah [01:57] It'll be quasi-LTS, since the kernels and stuff won't be unsupported [01:58] just... the Kubuntu specific stff. Which, I'm not sure how frequently that's actually updated [01:58] We'll know more once Dapper Desktop goes EOL and the server sticks around. [01:59] Hm. I'm not sure I'm looking forward to that... [02:00] I just asked in #k-devel about if 10.04 will be LTS ... probably no one knows yet [02:00] I imagine it will be. The reason given for 8.04 not being was the dual versions of KDE [02:02] There was also previously talk of different release schedule of KDE upstream maybe meaning the K releases should be synched differently than regular Ubuntu. But I don't know if anything came of this [02:42] no [02:42] Kubuntu follows the same release schedule [02:43] Since kde4.3 should be out in stable by July looks like 10.04 should be LTS (with 4.3) [02:43] nay [02:43] we will be on 4.4 by then [02:44] at least [02:45] There's not even a 4.4 Reease Schedule yet ;) [02:45] *Release [03:05] has my #ubuntu-offtopic ban been officially lifted? [03:13] In #ubuntu-offtopic, LjL said: !ban =~ s/$/ - If you haven't yet been banned, feel free to ask the ops to rectify the situation./ [03:16] aprilhare: No, you're just connected from a different host it seems. [03:16] ic [03:17] i have ipv4 and ipv6 addresses [03:17] right. [03:17] fixed? [03:18] hmm? [03:18] i mean, am i still banned and if so for how long? [03:19] You are still banned, but that's all I can verify. Others however will likely be able to comment further. [03:19] ok [03:19] wait here or come back at another time? [03:22] Waiting in here for a bit won't hurt. But I have no idea when others will be active. [03:23] ok [03:23] how has your day been? [03:30] pretty decent. Yours? [03:31] not too bad, cold for sydney though [03:33] Well, it is winter [03:41] yes it is [03:46] aprilhare, it certainly wont be lifted until the minimum 24hrs is up. that mark will be at 20:00 tonight. it is entirely possible that topyli may prefer the ban be longer, but we wont know whilst he's asleep. [03:47] ok [03:47] what timezone is topyli in? [03:48] europe. [03:48] ic [03:48] but, there's no point you being here until at least 8pm tonight. [03:48] ok [05:02] In ubottu, Mike_lifeguard said: !no, xorg is The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart » in a console (if you use GNOME; replace gdm with kdm for kubuntu or xdm for xubuntu) - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution - See also !dontzap [05:13] In ubottu, Mike_lifeguard said: !no, xorg is The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart » in a console (not a terminal - use CTRL-ALT-F2) if you use GNOME; replace gdm with kdm for kubuntu. - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution - See also !dontzap [06:29] genii: but the link is still broken [06:30] there is no 8.04 - there is 8.04.2 [07:05] bazhang called the ops in #kubuntu (myself spamming) [07:07] bazhang: Im off or a bit., Ill take that off you when I get to work. [07:07] jussi01, okay [07:12] In ubottu, anoop__ said: ok ma problem is ma ubuntu used to hang up whenever i am busy wid some work like rading pdf iles hearing music and all....wat may be d reason for this hanging [08:10] today shall be a day of epic amounts of coffee [08:11] don't chip the porcelain [08:11] Because it's Tuesday? [08:12] \o/ coffee [08:13] i like that i found out about the Community Leadership Summit that Jono is organizing via a blog post. *grumble* [08:15] heh [08:15] He posted another blog post about it a while ago! [08:15] You going to be there? [08:17] dunno yet. need to talk with the boss about it. [08:18] * Myrtti feels bad for not being in Finland when mneptoks here... :-( [08:19] Myrtti: that's OK. you're in my dreams every night. usually chasing me with lighter fluid and lightning bolts. [08:19] oh, and a plush kitten toy that devours all light and goodness. then naps. [08:20] nomnom [08:20] YES! THAT'S THE SOUND! [08:20] NOMNOM [08:21] I need more sleep [08:22] * Myrtti leaves #ubuntu alone [08:22] and/or more coffee [08:22] kids... [08:23] who are you calling "kid," boy? ;) [08:23] that reminds me, it's 30 minutes left until I decide to take my que and go back home from Helsinki [08:25] http://imgur.com/ARUy2.jpg [08:26] must ... not ... /topic ... [08:27] rooh [08:31] thanks jussi01 ; just having to head out now, so perfect timing :) [08:31] :) [08:32] jono fails... [08:32] his link to the community leadership summit goes to his book preorder thingy... [08:32] heh [08:32] spam! [08:38] jussi01: are you sure thats a fail and not "marketing" [08:38] ikonia: marketing FAIL! [08:41] It's supposed to be: http://www.communityleadershipsummit.com/ [08:58] mneptok: are you coming to finland? o.O [08:58] * jussi01 thinks if mneptok comes he has to come meet up for a beer... [08:59] jussi01: he doesn't drink (our beer) but other than that, I'm sure yes (;) [08:59] * Tm_T thinks topy-li already tried that [08:59] Tm_T: meh... s/beer/beverage of his choice/ [09:00] aye! [09:24] yay, my purse has arrived to the post office! [09:26] Myrtti, can eat again! [09:30] I did have some mince in the freezebox yesterday so I did have quite nice spaghetti bolognese, but having more milk for my coffee and more coffee would be nice :) [09:32] hrr, adventurous bus trip to trainstation -> [09:34] Tm_T: don't worry, more than 70% make it alive [09:51] * Mamarok just read "I did have some mice in the freezbox..." \o/ [09:52] Mamarok: :-D [10:04] I must have transported to some alternate universe on #ubuntu [10:05] oh christ [10:05] what's this [10:05] http://ubuntu-tweak.com/downloads [10:05] elky: *poke* [10:05] they never die [10:06] "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" <- they can not be trusted [10:06] * Myrtti downloads, prepares to scream [10:06] Myrtti? [10:07] oh christ, it's python [10:07] why these people won't contribute to ubuntu I don't know [10:07] rather than make a 3rd party product [10:08] please, dear god [10:08] ikonia, i suspect because their contributions are so hacky they get turned down [10:08] elky: if you have a pointer to give to people on #ubuntu about why not suggest that ubuntu-tweak to anyone, feel free [10:08] elky: so is that not an obvious warning to improve it/don't do it ? [10:08] I'm trying to read the code [10:09] ikonia, i dont know. i'm assuming there's a reason. i dont personally know it. [10:09] of course [10:11] ok, this atleast calls some bash scripts [10:11] uses policykit? [10:12] who's TualatriX? [10:15] ok, so apparently it doesn't enable any extra repositories [10:15] that's good... [10:16] the source editor is a bit shoddy [10:18] erm, this package/cache whatever removal thing isn't making me happy [10:19] oh, it does have some sort of mechanics to install stuff from somewhere else [10:19] Myrtti, both you and hobbsee are seeming skeptical of it [10:20] looks like using PPA's of some sort - I wonder how the author has decided what PPAs to promote [10:21] I find the fact that system specs are given in text form textboxes a bit disturbing [10:21] I certainly hope the hostname and stuff isn't changeable through this [10:22] oh crap [10:22] it is? [10:22] "Enable power user mode" [10:22] I wonder what that does... [10:25] ok, didn't seem to do anything [10:26] Myrtti, it will have done *something* [10:26] elky: what I mean is that usually with these things, enabling "PowerUser" mode gives you more stuff to configure [10:26] I just don't seem to get that [10:26] and it didn't ask for sudo pass, so it wasn't that either [10:27] which means it's done something *else* [10:51] ikonia, we have one core dev saying we shouldnt let newbs recommend it to each other. [10:52] I concur with him/her [10:54] did you take a look for yourself? [10:54] not recently, I've gone through it myself before in the past, but just wrote it off [10:55] is there something "new" I should be aware of [10:55] Myrtti seems to be going through the current version [10:55] I just stumbled upon it myself [10:55] so I'm not familiar with past versions [10:55] I'm also not fluent in Python, and don't have Gnome so there's a possibility I'm not seeing that much [10:58] uhm [10:58] whats the problem with ubuntu-tweak? [10:58] 3rd party system modification package ? [10:59] thats a blanket rule? [10:59] anything that modifies the system is verboten? [10:59] no, past experiences are bad of it, when I've looked at it in the past [10:59] popey: until someone trustworthy verifies it's not doing anything stupid? [10:59] it seems to be doing some things "right", using policykit for example rather than randomly asking for passwords [10:59] the volume of users I see saying "I can't get it to work, now my system is borked" [10:59] Myrtti: do we certify all apps like that? [11:00] why single out u-t [11:00] popey: ultamatix, automatix [11:00] popey: for theh reasons I've just listed [11:00] we've been naughty in your absence and singled out those as well [11:00] uhm [11:00] popey, well. yes. if they get into a repository, then they've been verified by trustworthy people. [11:01] so to be clear, any system changing app that is not in the repo, and has not been verified by trustworthy people is verboten? [11:01] no [11:02] thats what I gleaned from Myrtti and elky [11:02] and I appreciate you have answered differently [11:02] I've just suggested I've looked at older versions which where not good, and I've seen a reasonable ammount of users having a problem with it [11:02] ahh [11:03] popey: if this is going to be used/recommended like a tool, I'd like to see it go through the revo proces and get into a repo [11:03] sure, that's the ideal solution [11:03] I'm just trying to grasp what the "rule of thumb" is [11:03] common sense [11:04] if indeed there is one, or if it's just a gut reaction to anything *tomatix-a-like [11:04] nope common sense for me [11:04] known issues/frequent user problems = invesigate/warn [11:05] I've just grabbed the current version to look through it, and the priniciapl doesn't seem solid to me, even if the end results (policy kit) have some favourable outcome [11:05] Has this been fed back to the developer? [11:05] not from me [11:06] I don't know what users have fed back in in the past (obviously) [11:06] I am keen for us not to get into the same state that automatix got into, with significant friction in the community [11:06] popey: never move away from that while it's allowed to be touted [11:06] that was tested as a bad product and still pushed [11:06] popey, if we dont know what it is, we are suspicious of it by default. [11:06] if you want, I'll package ubuntu-tweak and take it through revo [11:07] see if it gets accepted/rejected [11:07] that's certainly _an_ option [11:07] be nice if the developer themselves was involved [11:09] don't know if he's even interested personally [11:09] be nice to ask [11:09] rather than take it, get it rejected and then throw that at them [11:09] I didn't plan on doing anything, I just offered to give a bit of piece of mind [11:09] I'd be happy to do that [11:10] give him a nudge then, if it's not interested I'll do it so we can get a more official standpoint [11:10] hello [11:10] *naaaggghhhgh* [11:11] rare to be greeted with such a noise :) [11:11] did I miss something? [11:11] its mostly just a frontend to gconf tbh [11:11] popey: does a bit more than that with it's "daemon" mode [11:11] sure [11:11] but thats a main "selling point" [11:11] popey: I'll work with you to move this forward if you like [11:11] great [11:11] get a more official standpoint so it can be said with a bit more authority [11:11] the author is busy with school at the moment [11:12] wohee, day of success this is [11:12] 10 days won't kill us [11:12] sure [11:12] browser crashes, network crashes, meh. [11:13] am i still banned from #ubuntu-offtopic, and how long will the ban continue? [11:13] I think aprilhare is back for topyli I guess [11:13] quite correct Mamarok [11:13] not that #ubuntu-ops is a bad place or anything :) [11:14] heh [11:14] hello topyli [11:15] hi aprilhare [11:16] looks like you do like it here, you've been dropping by often [11:16] it's got all the modcons :) [11:17] also it offers the opportunity of being exposed to your mercy [11:17] ikonia: am contacting the developer to see if he's interested, would you like a cc:? [11:17] heh well [11:17] topyli, i feel there's still some things unanswered. [11:18] popey: ta, one moment, [11:18] personally, i feel not a great deal. feelings are precious - and few and far between. [11:19] popey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MattDarcy ubuntu email please [11:19] ok, thanks [11:19] aprilhare: you would have to ensure that people won't be uncomfortable [11:20] ok [11:20] the sexual references should go, namely [11:20] i don't remember making that many hints to sexuality. [11:21] no? [11:21] no. [11:21] some have been noted though [11:22] ok [11:24] you should understand what it is you need to work on before you can work on it [11:26] aprilhare: hmm? let's not idle here. we do have to decide what to do today [11:26] i have no idea what is required of me to say or do [11:27] ikonia: sent [11:28] aprilhare: would be a good start if you stopped references to filling holes with things, rubbing substances on other things, filling hard drives with porn, and such talk. [11:29] if you veil your sexual references under "funny" guises it doesn't make them any more appropriate, or even particularly funny [11:29] i don't remember starting [11:29] as such, i can't invisage stopping, if you understand me [11:29] i guess you're not going to stop it then either, if you don't know what you're doing [11:30] you paint me any way you feel like. i feel insulted with non-existant innuendo [11:30] better then if we leave things as they are, at this time [11:31] ... [11:33] actually, I'd like my own answer: who is being malicious and exaggerating or making up this sexual innuendo? [11:34] so those are the options [11:34] someone is either being malicious and exaggerating OR makin gi tup? [11:34] (typo fail) [11:34] Myrtti: i don't honestly care at this point. [11:34] oh come on [11:35] no. [11:35] no come on [11:35] if you don't care, what's the point then? [11:35] just wanted to see how far it can be dragged [11:36] what, the discussion? [11:36] "* aprilhare ensures the hole plug is in the dyke firmly". " rubbing that topical cream into my... ahem." [11:36] ok. [11:37] 2. possibly. 1 in the dirty mind [11:37] sorry for 1 [11:37] it seems to be your dirty mind, according to that "ahem" [11:37] you know, i'm not sixteen years old. i think you get pretty good out of me [11:38] Myrtti: ahem could be interpreted in other ways. i might be implying knocking off rubbing topical cream into my sore. [11:39] can't help it if sex is on your mind [11:39] aprilhare, dont treat us like idiots, please. [11:39] well you've been on -ot long enough to know what is appropriate. you should also know, without the help of irc guidelines, that not everyone is comfortable when faced with such behavior [11:39] elky: i am not treating you as an idiot. i'll treat you all as fools though [11:39] okay. not on -ot though [11:40] because my scorn is kinda built up [11:41] we can talk later if you're some day more willing to discuss the actual ban and its causes [11:41] exactly what makes you think you're interested in anything but amusement and heaping coals on my head? [11:42] now we're fools and sociopaths. excellent. [11:42] in the old days, they called it 'kangaroo court'. now it's #ubuntu-ops eh [11:43] who's my defendant? what are the charges, and how many? [11:45] there's no court, and no charges. you're being requested to adjust your behavior so that it's more suitable to an ubuntu channel so that you can return and we may enjoy your company there again [11:48] well i don't believe that by elky's comments that she is much interested in enjoying my company. however if you believe my comments have be suggestive, i shall ensure they shall be made in more appropriate ways or areas. [11:48] -that [11:49] that would be nice [11:49] that's all i've got [11:49] :) [11:50] that's all we were after. why it took so long to get it out of you is well beyond my comprehension. [11:51] you are unbanned on -ot now [11:51] thanks [11:52] at least i tried to do it, try and see whether or not i fail :) [11:52] you don't fail with ipv6 at least [11:52] i memorized it at once of course! [11:52] heh [11:52] ipv6 is that memorable [11:52] lol [11:53] ok, please /part this channel so we can go about other stuff here [11:53] we'll see [11:53] it might last a day [11:54] hehe [11:54] heh [11:54] /me was op in #kubuntu ! [11:55] was... [11:56] for about an hour :) === Pici is now known as ZarroBoogs [12:45] :0 === ZarroBoogs is now known as Pici [12:48] in case you didn't notice, unused nicknames are expired fromt the services soon :-P [12:48] * myrtti_ fiddles about a bit more [14:14] heh he got k-lined [14:15] who did? [14:15] oh [14:15] tfhosting spammer [14:19] mixing version sources? and he says it's a Ubuntu bug? [14:21] elky: Did hwilde see the warning yesterday about mybrute? or did just J-_? [14:21] @bansearch pixelshooter [14:21] No matches found for pixelshooter!n=miranda@p50853862.dip.t-dialin.net in any channel [14:21] just j-_ [14:21] hwilde was the first to post if logs are correct [14:22] and why would he not come back. he was encouraged yesterday [14:23] mixing-versions is you're screwed [14:23] ... [14:24] he wants to know what to do. I am guessing a full reinstall [14:42] what's hooohah whatever about? [14:53] !away > dmazzone-away [15:07] can I smack people who ask "have you tried google" in #ubuntu? [15:08] yes, but not too hard... [15:08] !googleit [15:08] Sorry, I don't know anything about googleit [15:08] !google [15:09] google is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux: http://google.com/linux [15:09] :) [15:13] hi, I was reading about change irssi port to 8001, what happens about port 6667? [15:14] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit [16:02] * Pici makes a note to ask BluesKaj to not paste offtopic links across channels [16:03] crosspost/ot [16:47] I need more coffee [16:51] hateball, hi [16:51] bazhang: hello sire [16:51] how may we help you hateball [16:52] bazhang: Dunno, just hanging around for the time being [16:52] !idle | hateball [16:52] hateball: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only; we ask you to part when you have no further business here in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries. [16:53] ban forward from -ot ? [16:54] dunno, maybe just curious [16:54] you get that sometimes [16:55] seem to remember him being banned from -ot with aprilhare yesterday [17:03] @bansearch hateball [17:03] Match: *!*@unaffiliated/hateball by topyli in #ubuntu-offtopic on Jun 08 2009 07:53:57 (ID: 14445) === jussi01 is now known as jussio1 === jussio1 is now known as Android === Android is now known as Tuhina [17:05] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [17:05] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) === Tuhina is now known as jussi01 [17:06] what an anticlimax for that exploiter [17:06] nobody got hit [17:07] ha ha [17:07] ikonia: pm? [17:07] yup [17:12] hello compengi [17:12] hello [17:12] what's up, how can we help ? [17:15]