| Riddell | yuriy: sure, can try and do it tomorrow | 00:03 |
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| yuriy | cool. meanwhile, a wiki page for improvement suggestions: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Guidance/Userconfig | 00:13 |
| JontheEchidna | https://code.launchpad.net/kcm-gtk | 00:24 |
| nixternal | hey, is there an issue with PyKDE4 right now? | 00:46 |
| nixternal | heh, update pyqt4 and now it just segfaults :/ | 00:53 |
| JontheEchidna | I'd guess that python-kde4 would need a rebuild, but we aren't building that for now | 01:00 |
| nixternal | why is that? | 01:01 |
| nixternal | i noticed they are all dep-wait in the builders right now | 01:02 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, looks like we are | 01:02 |
| JontheEchidna | we couldn't get them to build at first, but Riddell gave them a nice whack it seems | 01:02 |
| nixternal | Riddell: any reason that kdebindings is staying in dep wait in teh builders? | 01:02 |
| nixternal | pyqt4 dbg is build and in the repos now cuz I just installed it | 01:03 |
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| nixternal | OK, I re-kicked off the kdebindings builds...only because I need updated pykde4 | 01:44 |
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| _Groo_ | hi/2 all | 01:52 |
| _Groo_ | just a kick note, kde 4.2 beta 2 kdeutil is broken | 01:53 |
| _Groo_ | its trying to install kde-printer-applet but the new package is called only printer-applet.. ence it doesnt install | 01:54 |
| _Groo_ | because the old package is for beta 1 | 01:54 |
| nixternal | SETBOOT /IBD:C | 01:54 |
| _Groo_ | JontheEchidna: ping | 01:54 |
| _Groo_ | ScottK: ping | 01:55 |
| nixternal | you can't talk, I just rebooted you | 01:55 |
| nixternal | have to wait for the command line to come back up before you can echo again :p | 01:55 |
| _Groo_ | hi nixternal | 01:55 |
| nixternal | howdy | 01:55 |
| _Groo_ | well im in a hurry just wanted to warn you guys about kdeutils | 01:56 |
| nixternal | for x in stomach.empty_space: | 01:56 |
| nixternal | x.append(food) | 01:56 |
| _Groo_ | and what happened to kdebindings.. its not listed in the ppa anymore | 01:56 |
| nixternal | stomach.fill(x) | 01:56 |
| _Groo_ | python is good for empty stomach ;) | 01:56 |
| nixternal | I just kicked off rebuilds for kdebindings in karmic | 01:57 |
| nixternal | dunno about PPA | 01:57 |
| nixternal | haven't been paying attention there unfortunately :( | 01:57 |
| * nixternal goes to eat, I am starving | 01:57 | |
| _Groo_ | ok | 01:57 |
| _Groo_ | what about kdeutils? | 01:57 |
| _Groo_ | probably someone forgot the old dependency | 01:57 |
| lex79 | Riddell or ScottK: launchpad bug 385425 | 02:52 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 385425 in kdeutils "kdeutils depends on printer-applet instead kde-printer-applet" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/385425 | 02:52 |
| e-jat | is it plasmoid has bugs on 4.2.9 ( 4.3 beta2) | 03:11 |
| lex79 | maybe the summary now is better :) Riddell launchpad bug 385425 | 03:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 385425 in kdeutils "kdeutils depends on printer-applet instead kde-printer-applet" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/385425 | 03:11 |
| vorian | Riddell: great! (re pykde) | 03:11 |
| lex79 | ops in not update yet | 03:11 |
| vorian | is anyone else runnink karmic? | 03:12 |
| vorian | ... on a laptop | 03:13 |
| lex79 | no | 03:14 |
| e-jat | can some help me to fix my desktop (plasmoid) in 4.3 beta2 | 03:17 |
| e-jat | ? | 03:23 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Nice latency though. | 03:50 |
| * nixternal pokes - hurry up and accept the kdebindings binaries already! :) | 04:31 | |
| ScottK | lex79: Looking at it. | 04:36 |
| lex79 | thanks ;) | 04:38 |
| * ScottK considers should we have provided a transitional package too. | 04:41 | |
| lex79 | ScottK: ok I poke you when is done | 04:43 |
| ScottK | lex79: I'll do it. | 04:43 |
| lex79 | oh ok :) | 04:43 |
| ejat | can someone help me with this : http://paste.ubuntu.com/192168/ | 05:27 |
| ScottK | lex79: Uploaded. | 05:54 |
| ScottK | Took quite a while to download all the build-dep on hotel internet. | 05:55 |
| ScottK | Not what you like to see in the build log "../../kgpg/keysmanager.cpp:1024:2: warning: #warning port me" | 05:59 |
| javi | hi, I'm using the kubuntu-ppa and today a lot of updates for kde showed up with 4.2.90 versions. Is this some kind of beta release from 4.3? | 08:44 |
| javi | this comes along a lot more upgrades to 4.2.4 versions | 08:47 |
| DaskreeCH | which ppa? | 09:03 |
| DaskreeCH | But if it says 4.2.90 then yes that's KDE 4.3 | 09:04 |
| javi | launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu jaunty | 09:05 |
| javi | the fact is that 4.2.9 versions are for kdegames-mahjongg-data, system-config-printer-kde, kdebase-runtime-data-common, kdegames-card-data & kdepimlibs-data | 09:06 |
| javi | all other packages shows available updates to 4.2.4 versions | 09:06 |
| javi | that's why i'm asking, maybe there is some problem with the numeration | 09:07 |
| sebas | javi: you're mixing 4.2.4 with 4.3 beta2, good luck ;) | 09:39 |
| sebas | Seriously, remove on or the other, you might run into problems otherwise | 09:39 |
| Nightrose | current updates want to remove kdebase and kdebase-bin | 09:44 |
| Nightrose | that sounds not so good to me | 09:44 |
| Nightrose | Riddell: ^ | 09:44 |
| Nightrose | JontheEchidna: ^ | 09:45 |
| sebas | I'm using the 4.3 beta archive, and that one seems fine | 09:46 |
| Nightrose | i don't have that here | 09:46 |
| Nightrose | yea it wants to install 4.2.90 from the ppa | 09:50 |
| Nightrose | i am sure i don't have any ppa's enabled that should give me beta updates of 4.3 | 09:51 |
| Nightrose | ScottK: ^ can you look into this? | 09:51 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 09:51 |
| apachelogger | you know, I have like 3 billion mails from apport about retraced stuff | 09:52 |
| Nightrose | dito | 09:52 |
| Nightrose | ah apachelogger | 09:52 |
| apachelogger | all from yesterday or today | 09:52 |
| Nightrose | yo are here now! | 09:52 |
| Nightrose | can you look into why people are getting beta packages which they shouldn't | 09:52 |
| apachelogger | like I would care about them darn retracing :P | 09:52 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: what kind of beta? | 09:53 |
| Nightrose | kde 4.2.90 | 09:53 |
| Nightrose | it currently wants to uninstall kdebase here | 09:53 |
| Nightrose | and all kinds of other scary stuff | 09:53 |
| Riddell | Nightrose: where are you installing 4.2.90 from? | 09:54 |
| Nightrose | Riddell: apt-cache policy says a ppa | 09:54 |
| Nightrose | i guess teh kubuntu one | 09:54 |
| Nightrose | non-experimental | 09:54 |
| Nightrose | i don't have experimental | 09:54 |
| tsimpson | there seem to be issues with the kubuntu-ppa/backports packages | 09:54 |
| Nightrose | ah that is enabled as well yea | 09:55 |
| tsimpson | people in #k are having issues at least | 09:55 |
| apachelogger | mhm | 09:55 |
| apachelogger | copied from experimental to backports | 09:55 |
| Nightrose | Oo | 09:55 |
| apachelogger | https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports | 09:56 |
| Nightrose | why now? | 09:56 |
| Nightrose | and why does it want to uninstall kdebase? | 09:56 |
| Nightrose | it's still beta | 09:56 |
| apachelogger | because the copy is b0rked | 09:56 |
| Nightrose | meh | 09:56 |
| apachelogger | because someone should not have copied it | 09:56 |
| apachelogger | bbecause KDE is rather slow in development coz otherwise it was stable already :P | 09:57 |
| Nightrose | who is allesandro ghersi? | 09:57 |
| Nightrose | this is pretty bad | 09:57 |
| Nightrose | really | 09:57 |
| Nightrose | people added that ppa all over the place to get amarok 2.1 | 09:57 |
| Riddell | it failed to compile is why | 09:58 |
| Nightrose | lex79: ^ | 09:58 |
| apachelogger | no telling that lex did break it :P | 09:59 |
| Nightrose | he copied it ;-) | 10:00 |
| Nightrose | which i think shouldn't have been done at this point | 10:00 |
| Riddell | I copied it | 10:00 |
| Riddell | it needs qedje, copying that too | 10:00 |
| Nightrose | ah | 10:00 |
| Nightrose | lex79: sorry | 10:00 |
| * Nightrose missread launchpad | 10:00 | |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: I told you :P | 10:00 |
| apachelogger | though I think that is a bug in soyuz ... it's ppa interface should show who copied something, makes blaming easier :D | 10:01 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: did you copy by accident , or do you have some master plan on how to make 4.3 more stable in less time? :D | 10:02 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: it's backports, it's not guaranteed to be super stable | 10:03 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: no no, 4.3.0 would be backports | 10:04 |
| Nightrose | i think so to | 10:04 |
| apachelogger | 4.2.x => updates, 4.3 pre-release => experimental, 4.3.x => backports | 10:04 |
| apachelogger | at least that was the destinationflow for intrepid *shrug* | 10:04 |
| Riddell | experimental has stuff like a new Qt in it and other experimental bits, you can't transition from experimental to backports once the 4.3 final is out | 10:05 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: it needs to be rebuilt | 10:06 |
| apachelogger | technically it needs to be rebuilt between each ppa move anyway | 10:07 |
| Riddell | ? it's being rebuilt | 10:07 |
| apachelogger | a) rebuilding should happen in the staging PPA | 10:08 |
| apachelogger | b) it should not be moved to backports until 4.3.0 | 10:08 |
| apachelogger | anything should be built within staging IMHO, that way KDE in experimental would not depend on Qt 4.5.1 which would make the users life a lot easier | 10:09 |
| Riddell | mm, but experimental isn't a good place for it, it has other experimental bits in it | 10:09 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: well, you could apply the same reason to get amarok into the updates ppa | 10:10 |
| apachelogger | because now pre-4.3 is in backports which is of considerable more experimental stage than amarok 2.1 :D | 10:10 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: the whole problem is what I reported as bug 373197 | 10:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 373197 in soyuz "Virtual PPA" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/373197 | 10:11 |
| Riddell | in our PPA discussions I did propose a backports-unstable, but didn't make it reasoning we could just use backports | 10:16 |
| apachelogger | experimental => unstable => backports => updates maybe | 10:21 |
| apachelogger | but really, what differs experimental from unstable? | 10:21 |
| Riddell | experimental is a place for random stuff | 10:22 |
| Riddell | KDE beta releases are less random | 10:22 |
| apachelogger | hm | 10:22 |
| javi | sebas: well I haven't mixed anything yet, it looked strange so that's why I came here first to ask | 10:22 |
| apachelogger | needs to be discussed | 10:22 |
| Riddell | mm | 10:22 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I would introduced unstable, but also establish a strong policy on what can go there and what can not | 10:23 |
| Riddell | javi: 4.2.90 is beta 2 which is now building in experimental | 10:24 |
| Riddell | do | 10:24 |
| Riddell | javi: 4.2.90 is beta 2 which is now building in backports | 10:24 |
| apachelogger | bug 385503 :P | 10:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 385503 in soyuz "PPA web UI doesn't show who copied" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/385503 | 10:25 |
| Riddell | I copied as the lp_archive user, you'd never know it was me, bwa ha ha | 10:26 |
| apachelogger | ewww | 10:26 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: that'll just mean you'llg et blamed by default, whether you did it or not ;) | 10:26 |
| javi | I've disabled deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main | 10:28 |
| javi | and enabled deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main | 10:29 |
| javi | and that last is what shows the problem | 10:30 |
| Nightrose | javi: yea we just discussed it | 10:30 |
| javi | ah ok sorry | 10:30 |
| Nightrose | a package was missing | 10:30 |
| Nightrose | Riddell copied it now | 10:30 |
| Nightrose | so at least it should be installable again soon | 10:30 |
| Nightrose | but you gotta decide if you want beta 2 or not | 10:30 |
| javi | i've rather keep betas for the virtual machine :D | 10:31 |
| Nightrose | ;-) | 10:31 |
| Riddell | disable backports then | 10:32 |
| javi | but then 4.2.4 updates don't show up | 10:33 |
| javi | neither do it amarok 2.1 | 10:33 |
| Nightrose | javi: amarok 2.1 will hopefully get into backports very soon | 10:34 |
| Nightrose | official backports that is | 10:34 |
| javi | and for kde 4.2? | 10:35 |
| Nightrose | no idea | 10:35 |
| javi | :-8 | 10:35 |
| javi | ups | 10:35 |
| javi | :-( <- thats it :D | 10:35 |
| Riddell | has anyone looked into amarok and backports? | 10:50 |
| Riddell | any reason it can't just go there | 10:50 |
| Nightrose | Riddell: it needs the generator backported as well | 11:09 |
| Nightrose | and JontheEchidna didn't have time for that | 11:09 |
| Nightrose | besides that he said it should be ok iirc | 11:09 |
| Riddell | we have packages in the kubuntu backports ppa | 11:13 |
| Riddell | unrealated to the karmic packages, but they work | 11:13 |
| apachelogger | that said | 12:00 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: the karmic stuff should replace what we have in backports | 12:00 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: for qtscriptgenerator? | 12:04 |
| freinhard | should i file bugs for things going wrong with 4.2.4 on jaunty? | 12:11 |
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| Riddell | freinhard: depends what's wrong | 12:14 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: kopete-facebook. what's the crack? | 12:14 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hey | 12:14 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I was on vacations, looking right now | 12:15 |
| freinhard | define some shortcut for switching desktops, klick on the big K, switch desktop and get a not functional K button in the panel | 12:15 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: last time I checked it ftbfs but you said you uploaded the fix.... let's try right now | 12:15 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: if it builds, then I'll upload to revu and we can get it in today | 12:15 |
| freinhard | then get back to the original v-desktop, klick on the K, use alt-tab to focus the qt-subapplication and everything is fine again | 12:16 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: I'll prepare mid settings toonight fyi | 12:17 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lkopete_videodevice | 12:19 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: always the same issue | 12:19 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: didn't you upload a fix for kdenetwork ? | 12:20 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I thought I did, let me check | 12:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kk | 12:21 |
| Riddell | freinhard: that sounds like a fairly complex upstream issue of the sort that is unlikely to get fixed at this stage I'm afraid, but do try the 4.3 beta 2 packages to see if it's fixed and complain if not | 12:22 |
| Riddell | libkopete-dev.install:usr/lib/libkopete_videodevice.so | 12:22 |
| freinhard | Riddell: there are 4.3b2 packages for jaunty? | 12:24 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: are there karmic packages for those ? | 12:25 |
| Riddell | >dpkg -L libkopete-dev | grep video | 12:25 |
| Riddell | /usr/lib/libkopete_videodevice.so | 12:25 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: yes | 12:25 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well my pbuilder chroot is up to date, lemme check | 12:25 |
| Riddell | freinhard: coming very soon, watch kubuntu.org | 12:25 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: got libkopete-dev 4.2.90-0ubuntu1 ? | 12:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yep | 12:26 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: so you must have /usr/lib/libkopete_videodevice.so ? | 12:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: looking in the chroot gimme a sec | 12:27 |
| Tonio_ | dpkg -L libkopete-dev | grep video | 12:28 |
| Tonio_ | /usr/lib/libkopete_videodevice.so | 12:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: got it | 12:28 |
| Riddell | voila | 12:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: maybe we can patch for just this atm... | 12:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: could it be fixed svn maybe ? | 12:33 |
| Riddell | patch what? | 12:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: debuild works..... investigating.... | 12:39 |
| Riddell | of course it works, there's no problem! | 12:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: why does puilder fail then ? | 12:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: maybe my chroot has an issue then | 12:41 |
| Tonio_ | testing... | 12:41 |
| Riddell | it probably hasn't been updated | 12:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: got a kernel freeze... it looks like I had bin diff in the dif.gz file.... retesting the buld | 12:47 |
| Lure | Riddell: why is kde 4.3 beta in backports? I would expect backports only for stable releases and experiemental for prereleases... | 12:57 |
| * Lure also thinks that having <release>-backports and ppa/backports makes it confusing | 12:58 | |
| Lure | Riddell: after reading backlog from apachelogger: I agree with him, we should have clear separation between released and prerelease stuff | 13:02 |
| Lure | Riddell: people enabling backports ppa to get kde 4.2.4 are not expecting beta updates | 13:03 |
| Lure | Riddell: however I agree with you that experimental should be considered "will eat you babies" | 13:03 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: as debuid works and pbuilder fails | 13:05 |
| Lure | Riddell: btw, can we use <release>-backports for 4.2.x updates? then renaming "ppa/backports" to "ppa/prerelease" would be the way to go | 13:05 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: should we consider the build might succeed in the archives, and make an attemp ? | 13:05 |
| * Lure rests his case ;-) | 13:05 | |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I can upload if you wish | 13:05 |
| freinhard | any ideas howto reset the parallel port after hibernation? | 13:08 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: it seems apport deleted all the core dumps from duplicates | 13:09 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: go ahead | 13:23 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kk | 13:24 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: uploaded | 13:25 |
| Riddell | Lure: yeah, seems like we want yet another PPA then | 13:26 |
| Riddell | but too late for this relase I think | 13:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I suspect a missing build-dep | 13:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: debuild inside a chroot doesn't work, but locally, no pb | 13:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: any idea what could be missing ? | 13:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: works when kopete binary package is installed | 13:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: there is a packaging issue on that point I suspect | 13:40 |
| Riddell | build-deps on libkopete-dev ? | 13:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: libkopete-dev doesn't depend nore install kopere | 13:43 |
| Riddell | I'd need to see the error message to say more | 13:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: still the same message.... ld cannot find libkopete-videodevice | 13:44 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: put the package on revu and I can look at it | 13:46 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kk | 13:46 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: it needs to build-dep on kopete too | 13:47 |
| Riddell | kopete contains the /usr/lib/libkopete_videodevice.so.4.3.0 file | 13:47 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: ping | 13:47 |
| Riddell | probably libkopete-dev should depend on kopete | 13:47 |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: pong | 13:47 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yep | 13:47 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: I setup a PPA | 13:47 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that may explain the problem | 13:47 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: hmm | 13:47 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: let me find the link | 13:48 |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: ok great | 13:48 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: here it is: https://launchpad.net/~kon-smanis/+archive/ppa | 13:48 |
| Artemis_Fowl | it contains a recent build of kgrubeditor | 13:48 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: have fun :) test is whenever you find the time | 13:49 |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: cool :) | 13:49 |
| * Artemis_Fowl has to go now | 13:49 | |
| Artemis_Fowl | bb | 13:49 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: uhm, I hope it work. If it doesn't, then let me know | 13:49 |
| seele | ok | 13:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: confirmed, this is the issue... | 13:50 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I'd say make libkopete-dev depend on kopete then | 13:50 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yep | 13:51 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: can you do that and upload? I'm running from a live CD just now | 13:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: fixing this and uploading | 13:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: no pb | 13:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kdenetwork uploaded | 13:54 |
| Tonio_ | better wait for it to approve kopete-facebook then... | 13:55 |
| Riddell | add a versioned build-dep | 14:03 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: done | 14:03 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: Depends: kopete (= ${binary:Version}), ${sameVersionDep:kdelibs5-dev} | 14:04 |
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| Riddell | ** Kubuntu alpha 2 candidate CDs need testing! | 14:31 |
| Riddell | yay, lots of seeles! | 14:32 |
| seele | lots of love to go around! | 14:32 |
| * seele is looking at konversation and quassel | 14:33 | |
| seele | Riddell: if anything is going on with printing, you should put it on my TODO or i probably wont remember to look at it | 14:33 |
| seele | seele/KarmicTODO | 14:33 |
| ScottK | Looks like we should have bumped build-dep version needed of kdelibs-experimental in those packages that build-dep on it. | 14:42 |
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| tomsdale | Hi - Does Kubuntu/KDE consider the file /etc/hosts for name resolution at all? according to /etc/nsswitch.conf I have "hosts: files dns" so it should look for local name resolution first but it doesn't. | 14:53 |
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| rgreening | hello rickspencer3 | 15:00 |
| rickspencer3 | hello rgreening | 15:00 |
| rgreening | how goes the battle rickspencer3 | 15:02 |
| rickspencer3 | rgreening: battle? | 15:06 |
| rgreening | battle, as in daily work :P | 15:07 |
| rgreening | you know, it's all a battlefield :) | 15:07 |
| rgreening | or is that love? I constantly mix up my sayings :> | 15:07 |
| * rgreening guesses the battle doth no go well for Sir rickspencer3 | 15:24 | |
| rickspencer3 | hehe | 15:24 |
| rgreening | :> | 15:25 |
| rickspencer3 | rgreening: this is a fun, but stressful and busy time of the cycle for me | 15:25 |
| rgreening | I imagine so... | 15:25 |
| rickspencer3 | I have to try to understand and articulate what the desktop teams are planning, in a manner that is digestible to various audiences | 15:26 |
| rgreening | If I could only quit my current job and do this 7/24... :P | 15:26 |
| rickspencer3 | hehe | 15:26 |
| rgreening | and grow 8 more arms | 15:26 |
| * rgreening wonders about stem cells... | 15:26 | |
| rgreening | rickspencer3: well, the usb-creator-kde port for Kubuntu MID is moving along... | 15:27 |
| rgreening | its one of the critical parts... | 15:27 |
| * rgreening mangles some more gtk into Qt... | 15:28 | |
| rickspencer3 | hehe | 15:29 |
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| seele | is there a blueprint on kubuntu mid? i have no idea what the goals are | 15:40 |
| JontheEchidna | rgreening: so how do I install usb-creator from bzr?\ | 15:41 |
| rgreening | JontheEchidna: if you mean the -kde bit, it's not integrated into the dbian package (started but not completed). to run it form the local dir, do the following: | 15:42 |
| rgreening | JontheEchidna: cp ./bin/usb-creator-kde . && cp ./gui/usbcreator.ui . && ./usb-creator-kde | 15:43 |
| rgreening | do this in the bzr dir | 15:43 |
| JontheEchidna | crash, I suppose I have the usb stick crash? | 15:44 |
| * JontheEchidna has a few things in his usb ports | 15:45 | |
| JontheEchidna | oh, this could be the pyqt4 crash that everybody's getting in karmic | 15:49 |
| rgreening | JontheEchidna: I'm in jaunty | 15:50 |
| JontheEchidna | but software-properties works | 15:50 |
| JontheEchidna | so my crash probably isn't the karmic pyqt crash | 15:50 |
| rgreening | JontheEchidna: if you comment out the gobject timeout_add section, it doesn't crash. | 15:50 |
| rgreening | so, some interaction with gobject, DbusGMainLoop and qt with it's own main/threads is likely the issue... | 15:51 |
| rgreening | though I can't figure it out... | 15:51 |
| JontheEchidna | there is a Qt DbusMainLoop you could try | 15:51 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, but is this a backend running in a separate thread? | 15:52 |
| JontheEchidna | ouch | 15:52 |
| rgreening | yep | 15:54 |
| rgreening | so, my choices are figure out how to make it work. fork a copy of the backend, or write a wrapper class and split out the gtk/glib/gobject and qt bits into the wrapper(s) and load them depending on the fe used. | 15:56 |
| JontheEchidna | jockey uses a DBusGMainLoop too | 15:57 |
| JontheEchidna | woner what its doing | 15:57 |
| rgreening | JontheEchidna: If you can figure this out, it would be a great gift :) | 15:59 |
| rgreening | and my birthday is just around the corner :) | 16:00 |
| JontheEchidna | it looks like jockey has an abstracted UI class that does dbus for either backend | 16:04 |
| JontheEchidna | and the jockey-kde frontend implements a graphical representation of several UI backend functions | 16:05 |
| JontheEchidna | and therefore doesn't have to do any dbusy-ness itself | 16:05 |
| JontheEchidna | backend -> AbstractUI -> DE-specific UI | 16:05 |
| JontheEchidna | to restate this after I have collected my thoughts... the abstract UI talks to the backend and gives the kde and gtk uis the strings and stuff with which to populate the GUI | 16:07 |
| JontheEchidna | this would mean major changes to the gtk side of things | 16:09 |
| rgreening | JontheEchidna: all the dbus, glib, gobject stuff is currently in the backend.py | 16:16 |
| JontheEchidna | but the frontend tries to communicate with it | 16:19 |
| JontheEchidna | usign dbus | 16:19 |
| JontheEchidna | which causes the threading issues/crash | 16:19 |
| JontheEchidna | or at least I think that's the cause | 16:20 |
| JontheEchidna | I'm having similar issues with the jockey kcm | 16:20 |
| JontheEchidna | actually, it's not that similar come to think of it | 16:20 |
| JontheEchidna | but it is similar in that its a dbus-related crash | 16:21 |
| rgreening | JontheEchidna: frontend has an instance of backend. Backend has all the bits. but yes, some threading issue or main loop issue for sure. | 16:23 |
| Riddell | seele: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicNetbook | 16:23 |
| * shtylman working on some more OO patches...goal for end of day: OO with kde integration in my PPA for jaunty :) | 16:23 | |
| rgreening | OMG shtylman.. cool | 16:24 |
| Riddell | seele: package what upstream does and get it working is the hope | 16:24 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: thanks for writting the specs while I was on vacations :) | 16:28 |
| seele | Riddell: i didnt think MID was going to have much done for 4.3 but i guess i'm wrong | 16:33 |
| firephoto | what's the new name for what was kubuntu-ppa/backports? (or wherever backport proposed things are going today) for jaunty btw. | 16:47 |
| rgreening | JontheEchidna: ping ping ping ping ping ping ping | 16:57 |
| Riddell | seele: netbook not mid. upstream says they expect it to be in working order for october and there's code there now which does something. but it may not happen indeed | 17:16 |
| Riddell | seele: tonio also has opinions on the apps suitable for netboot | 17:16 |
| Riddell | firephoto: kubuntu-ppa/backports is it | 17:16 |
| Riddell | dudes, I'm away for the next two days, let me know now if there's anything I need | 17:16 |
| Riddell | anything you need from me | 17:17 |
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| Artemis_Fowl | seele: is the package working? | 17:45 |
| yuriy | Riddell: userconfig package? not that urgent of course | 17:47 |
| smarter | is it me or has Ctrl+Maj+Z(Redo) stopped working in 4.3? (beta1 at least) | 18:21 |
| rgreening | anyone know the correct way to use gobject in a PyKde app? | 18:28 |
| Riddell | yuriy: sorry ran out of time | 18:50 |
| Riddell | cheereo all, back on saturday sometime | 18:50 |
| Riddell | oh please test the daily and daily-live CDs and report on iso.qa.ubuntu.com, alpha 2 candidates need testing | 18:50 |
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| seele | Artemis_Fowl: yes, i got it installed OK. i havent had a chance to look at all the changes yet though | 18:55 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: ok nice. I just wanted to check that | 19:06 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: btw there arent many changes. only the autmagic management is new | 19:07 |
| Artemis_Fowl | automagic* | 19:07 |
| Artemis_Fowl | yeah, confirmed. looking at the changelog, the only UI changes is Automagic management and using PolicyKit to acquire root priveleges. nothing else has changed in the UI | 19:10 |
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| apachelogger | Artemis_Fowl: i suppose kgrubeditor can enter main with grub2? | 19:32 |
| apachelogger | scripts should make it a lot easier to avoid debian-magic, right? :) | 19:33 |
| lex79 | apachelogger: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=5612 | 19:45 |
| apachelogger | not now! | 19:45 |
| apachelogger | I am on a code roll here | 19:46 |
| lex79 | lol | 19:46 |
| asraniel | any estimation when kde 4.3 beta 2 will be ready in backports for 9.04 ? | 19:51 |
| smarter | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-kde-fr-base/+bug/380011 damn, why do people feel obligated to hack perfectly valid upstream translations? :/ | 19:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 380011 in langpack-o-matic "KDE translations: French words same as English are overriden by another language" [Medium,In progress] | 19:55 |
| Artemis_Fowl | apachelogger: well, it doesn't support grub2 yet | 19:59 |
| apachelogger | Artemis_Fowl: well, once you made it support grub2 :) | 19:59 |
| apachelogger | or is the debian-magic support going to be done before that? | 19:59 |
| Artemis_Fowl | apachelogger: if I ever find the time... | 19:59 |
| Artemis_Fowl | apachelogger: it is already done | 20:00 |
| apachelogger | oh | 20:00 |
| apachelogger | uh | 20:00 |
| Artemis_Fowl | apachelogger: recently completed | 20:00 |
| apachelogger | Artemis_Fowl: also released? | 20:00 |
| Artemis_Fowl | not yet releases | 20:00 |
| Artemis_Fowl | released* | 20:00 |
| Artemis_Fowl | soon to be released | 20:00 |
| Artemis_Fowl | within the next month I suppose | 20:00 |
| apachelogger | I see | 20:01 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele must review it first plus I should finish some other minor things for the code to release | 20:01 |
| apachelogger | once it is, we should restart the main inclusion process | 20:01 |
| Artemis_Fowl | probably | 20:01 |
| apachelogger | I am afraid already :D | 20:02 |
| Artemis_Fowl | I think someone mentioned in the MIR that grub2 isn't necessary for the inclusion in main | 20:02 |
| Artemis_Fowl | eg. a statement that grub2 isn't supported would be fine | 20:02 |
| Artemis_Fowl | anyway | 20:02 |
| apachelogger | Artemis_Fowl: well, in 9.10 the default bootloader is grub2 ... so it might very well be required now | 20:03 |
| Artemis_Fowl | oh | 20:03 |
| Artemis_Fowl | didn't know that | 20:03 |
| apachelogger | though upgrades do not get grub2, only new installs, so it might very well not be a requirement | 20:03 |
| apachelogger | it certainly is a requirement for being on the CD ... but since grub is still in main I think it would justify to have a GUI config editor for it in main as well | 20:04 |
| apachelogger | well, this will have to be discussed in the MIR :S | 20:04 |
| Artemis_Fowl | btw you guys are heros. debian packaging...oh god. it took me about 3 days to make a proper source debian package and make LP compile it for a PPA... :/ | 20:04 |
| Artemis_Fowl | apachelogger: grub2 has the same options as grub? | 20:05 |
| apachelogger | well, the config is completely different AFAIK | 20:05 |
| apachelogger | as a matter of fact about everything is completely different since grub2 is a rewrite of grub | 20:05 |
| Artemis_Fowl | because if a single UI can fir both cases, then only parsing the menu file is the issue | 20:05 |
| Artemis_Fowl | fit* | 20:06 |
| apachelogger | Artemis_Fowl: I didn't look into it much yet, but I would suppose that feature parity is a target for ubuntu 9.10 | 20:06 |
| * Artemis_Fowl should install grub2 in a virtual box machine and test it | 20:07 | |
| Artemis_Fowl | I have absolutely no idea how things are in the Grub2-land | 20:07 |
| smarter | Artemis_Fowl: the format is quiet different, but it works more or less like the old one, with debian automagic in the middle :) | 20:07 |
| * smarter digs for his old grub.cfg | 20:07 | |
| * apachelogger notes that the code needed for storing and reading configurations settings can at times be quite epic alright | 20:07 | |
| apachelogger | http://paste.ubuntu.com/192873/ | 20:08 |
| apachelogger | smarter: Artemis_Fowl: ^ | 20:08 |
| smarter | damn, too fast :p | 20:08 |
| apachelogger | tbh | 20:09 |
| Artemis_Fowl | apachelogger: nice. I'll keep it for test-casing | 20:09 |
| apachelogger | smarter: batpaste ftw | 20:09 |
| smarter | I should use that :) | 20:09 |
| apachelogger | I actually think that the whole file is more or less script influenced | 20:09 |
| smarter | as noted in the big fat warning in the top :p | 20:09 |
| apachelogger | that is where the whole references come from, each script spits in its settings etc. | 20:09 |
| * apachelogger goes back to epic settings code | 20:10 | |
| Artemis_Fowl | hmm, seems as if reading the configs will be painful | 20:10 |
| smarter | for changes to not be removed at every update, you'd have to edit stuff in /etc/grub.d | 20:10 |
| Artemis_Fowl | multiple files... | 20:10 |
| apachelogger | well | 20:11 |
| apachelogger | you'd need to override I suppose | 20:11 |
| smarter | or if you go the easy way and don't dare to touch the automagically generated stuff, add files in there | 20:11 |
| Artemis_Fowl | apachelogger: could you please dump me the contents of your /etc/grub.d and /etc/default/grub? | 20:13 |
| * apachelogger is wondering how to reduce the lines of config manipulation code :S | 20:13 | |
| apachelogger | http://paste.ubuntu.com/192877/ | 20:13 |
| apachelogger | the latter | 20:13 |
| apachelogger | Artemis_Fowl: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/grub.d.tar.bz2 | 20:18 |
| Artemis_Fowl | apachelogger: nice. thank you | 20:19 |
| Artemis_Fowl | I would install GRUB2 in my machine but I still need grub legacy for testing | 20:19 |
| Artemis_Fowl | virtual box to my rescue I suppose | 20:20 |
| apachelogger | vbox \o/ | 20:20 |
| Artemis_Fowl | ? | 20:20 |
| * Tonio_ works on packagekit packages | 20:20 | |
| apachelogger | Artemis_Fowl: virtualbox = vbox :P | 20:22 |
| Artemis_Fowl | y | 20:22 |
| Artemis_Fowl | what I din't is \o/ | 20:22 |
| Artemis_Fowl | what I didn't get* | 20:22 |
| Artemis_Fowl | ^^ | 20:22 |
| apachelogger | uh, I think I can squeeze some slocs out of abusing configRead() for setting the instance variables, though that probably is kinda evil ... evil is good though :P | 20:23 |
| apachelogger | Artemis_Fowl: well, that is my_right_arm my_head my_left_arm | 20:23 |
| Artemis_Fowl | that | 20:24 |
| Artemis_Fowl | I didn't know | 20:24 |
| lex79 | JontheEchidna: launchpad bug 385676 | 20:36 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 385676 in audex "New upstream release audex 0.71b3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/385676 | 20:36 |
| e-jat | bug 385647 | 20:40 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 385647 in kdenetwork "kopete 4.2.90-0ubuntu1 crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/385647 | 20:40 |
| nixternal | turning apport-qt into apport-kde is no joke, it is a lot more than just s/QApplication/KApplication/ | 20:42 |
| e-jat | nixternal: http://paste.ubuntu.com/192900/ | 20:46 |
| e-jat | did i miss the phonon package ? | 20:46 |
| e-jat | anyone? | 20:48 |
| nixternal | what package are you trying to build? | 20:50 |
| nixternal | are you depending on and using pkg-kde-tools? | 20:52 |
| nixternal | e-jat: ^^ | 20:52 |
| nixternal | you need to dep on pkg-kde-tools and libqt4-phonon-dev <- debian/control | 20:55 |
| nixternal | in and in debian/rules you need: | 20:55 |
| nixternal | include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/1/debian-qt-kde.mk | 20:56 |
| neversfelde | wah, why can't we use a mediawiki :) | 20:56 |
| neversfelde | I started a description of how to use the PPAs | 20:56 |
| neversfelde | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ChristianMangold/UsingKubuntuPPAs | 20:56 |
| nixternal | DEB_DH_SHLIBDEPS_ARGS_ALL := -- -xphonon | 20:56 |
| * nixternal goes back to working on apport | 20:57 | |
| Quintasan | nixternal: Aren't we supposed to use debian-qt-kde.mk for kde core modules? | 21:01 |
| lex79 | JontheEchidna: I uploaded digikam in experimental to fix bug 377560, it works | 21:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 377560 in digikam "[karmic] Digikam does not display anything in the main pane" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/377560 | 21:07 |
| JontheEchidna | lex79: just to make sure that you aren't working on it already, have you started on the new qtcurve? | 21:22 |
| JontheEchidna | (I'm sponsoring your audex package at the moment by the way) | 21:22 |
| lex79 | JontheEchidna: no | 21:24 |
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| JontheEchidna | Riddell: when you have time, bug 385707 | 23:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 385707 in kde-style-qtcurve "New upstream release (QtCurve 0.63.0)" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/385707 | 23:04 |
| JontheEchidna | includes Messages.sh :) | 23:04 |
| apachelogger | uha | 23:05 |
| apachelogger | I think I could publish my synergy plasmoid now | 23:05 |
| apachelogger | 0.0.0.1 | 23:05 |
| apachelogger | code looks pretty slick, well except for the epic configuration fuzz | 23:05 |
| smarter | apachelogger: isn't a kcm module more appropriate than a plasmoid for configuring synergy? :) | 23:22 |
| smarter | (though it's probably not as fun to do) | 23:22 |
| apachelogger | yes, no, doesn't matter | 23:22 |
| apachelogger | I splitted the code earlier today, so one could create a KCM as easy | 23:22 |
| apachelogger | if it is possible using ruby-kde that is :D | 23:23 |
| smarter | yay for ruby stuff in kde :p | 23:23 |
| * apachelogger is wondering how to split the UI stuff out though | 23:24 | |
| apachelogger | really, the plasmoid would be like 30 SLOC if I get the UI and associated configuration bloat out of the plasmoid code | 23:25 |
| apachelogger | well, maybe 100 SLOC :D | 23:25 |
| smarter | use Qt Designer? | 23:28 |
| apachelogger | smarter: it still needs to setup the UI and fill it with the config's data | 23:29 |
| smarter | put that in a separate class then | 23:29 |
| apachelogger | well, doing that is kinda difficult without taking away the dynamics though :P | 23:30 |
| apachelogger | would have to split into a gazillion functions or something | 23:30 |
| apachelogger | hm | 23:33 |
| apachelogger | oh | 23:33 |
| apachelogger | uh | 23:33 |
| neversfelde | ah | 23:35 |
| apachelogger | smarter: I could use the designer ui files as implementation base I suppose | 23:35 |
| apachelogger | that way I could hook the configuration crap into the UI loading essentially hiding it from the UI component, while still allowing the component to fiddle with the UI as it wishes to | 23:36 |
| smarter | you mean hacking the .cpp(or .rb in that case I guess) generated by designer? | 23:37 |
| apachelogger | no | 23:38 |
| apachelogger | class SynergyShareConfig < Ui_SynergyShareConfig | 23:38 |
| smarter | yes, that's the normal way to do it then :) | 23:39 |
| apachelogger | SynergyShareConfig implements a complete Ui_... but essentially I can add the config parsing and add it to a hooked-in setupUi function | 23:39 |
| apachelogger | never hack generated code :D | 23:39 |
| smarter | yep | 23:39 |
| * smarter wonders if Qt Declarative UI will make all that better | 23:40 | |
| apachelogger | makes also a lot more sense because right now the config magic is done independent from the UI object even though it is realyl the same :D | 23:40 |
| smarter | I personally can't seem to understand what it is, what it does and why it does it, same for about anything in Qt Kinetic actually (wut is a state-machine?) | 23:41 |
| apachelogger | smarter: something useful for sure :D | 23:43 |
| smarter | totally unrelated: http://www.lolcatbible.com | 23:44 |
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