[00:00] <togetic> !PATH
[00:00] <togetic> argh
[00:00] <togetic> !kdm
[00:00] <ign0ramus> !factoids > gabriel
[00:00] <togetic> what program is ls located in?
[00:00] <gabriel_> !factoids | gabriel
[00:00] <togetic> i can use the commands when chrooted
[00:00] <max_> ign0ramus: becuase a new system with decent hardware (2ghz dual core amd, 3gb ram, nvidia graphiccs) shouldnt be slow on a new install would it?
[00:00] <gabriel_> LOL @ ubottu
[00:01] <togetic> but i can't use the commands when i'm booting into the system
[00:01] <togetic> there has to be something wrong w/ the PATH
[00:01] <gabriel_> not at all must be a bottleneck somwhere
[00:01] <ign0ramus> max_, no, and others with the same lappy have reported success (at least with jaunty)
[00:01] <togetic> gabriel_: was that to me?
[00:01] <gabriel_> or something wrong with whatever is looking at the path
[00:02] <togetic> suggestions?
[00:02] <gabriel_> no that was to max cause his puter is slow
[00:02] <shadeslayer> hey it worked :)
[00:02] <togetic> gabriel_: i figured that when i looked above my messages
[00:03] <max_> ign0ramus: on the first boot up i have to enable resitrcted drivers to use the nvidia graphics correctly, but i never got around to doing that when i installed 9.04 lastnight (since it was running so slow i basically just said 'f-that') would that be any reason for it to be running particuarlly slow?
[00:03] <gabriel_> find out everything that happens from the time you hit enter till you are logged in and starting up.  Then look for problems with it?
[00:03] <ign0ramus> togetic, can you reinstall kdm for starters?
[00:03] <togetic> sure
[00:03] <togetic> but ls, cd, vim aren't working
[00:04] <togetic> so i'm guessing that it doesn't know where to look for the commands
[00:04] <gabriel_> what about aptitude? got that?
[00:04] <togetic> gabriel_: yeah, i'm doing an apt-get upgrade right
[00:04] <togetic> now
[00:04] <ign0ramus> max_, no reason that i see... others with the same model haven't mentioned sluggishness
[00:04] <max_> Hmmm.
[00:05] <gabriel_> I'd reinstall max  Get a different disk to install with and see if that helps.
[00:05] <max_> ign0ramus: Well im going to try this new iso, and if that doesnt work then im going to reinstall 9.04 and see what becomes of it.
[00:05] <max_> Thanks for the help everyone.
[00:05] <ign0ramus> max_, did you use the 'top' command to see what was using resources?
[00:05] <max_> top command?
[00:05] <gabriel_> humm top?  never heard of it.
[00:05] <gabriel_> !top | gabriel
[00:06] <gabriel_> Ubottu don't know it.
[00:06] <togetic> gabriel_: you don't know what top is?..
[00:06] <ign0ramus> gabriel_, run it in terminal now... it's an excellent utility (although i like htop a little better)
[00:06] <amik> hi, since I upgraded to KDE 4.2.4 on Jaunty, I'm getting error message boxes when starting various KDE apps (dolphin, konsole, etc.), of the form "konsole: Attempt to use QAction <something> with KXMLGUIFactory!". Any ideas?
[00:07] <gabriel_> crazy nice!  I have been using system monitor... Thanks!
[00:07] <ign0ramus> amik, is it actually an error message, or just a warning or other notification?
[00:07] <max_>  ign0ramus: ill try that when i install if its being slow.
[00:07] <max_> Thanks for the help everyone.
[00:07] <ign0ramus> max_, cheers
[00:08] <amik> ign0ramus: it's a popup message box. requires clicking ok before I can use the apps. sometimes multiple ones appear when opening the same app (e.g. dolphin)
[00:08] <ign0ramus> amik, that is definitely not expected behavior....
[00:08] <gabriel_> WOW!  firefox eats memory for lunch!!! lol!
[00:09] <gabriel_> If I pause flash ads will that slow my cpu comsumption?
[00:09] <amik> ign0ramus: I'm certain it started on the same day I apt-getted the kde 4.2.4 upgrade. and it's been hapenning consistently every since, across reboots etc. very annoying.
[00:09] <ign0ramus> amik, well, you're not the only one... https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=183244
[00:10] <ign0ramus> amik, unfortunately, i have not come across a fix yet
[00:11] <gabriel_> I have to go study math I have finals in two days!!! LOL I have seen the future and the future is Ubuntu!
[00:11] <gabriel_> laters
[00:11] <amik> ign0ramus: I searched for it and found it quoted in various bugs, most of which have some other main culprit, and in older versions, so they don't really help, and I can't tell what's the cause and what's the symptom
[00:11] <ign0ramus> amik, how are you launching these apps?  all through konsole?
[00:13] <amik> ign0ramus: nope, my usual quick launch or K-menu icons. also with kde session resume after reboot I am greeted with a dozen or so of these messageboxes before I can start working
[00:13] <ign0ramus> amik, what if you start with an empty session?
[00:14] <amik> ign0ramus: u mean close all apps, logout-login and open something?
[00:15] <ign0ramus> amik, no, use System Settings > Session Manager. Start with an empty session
[00:15] <togetic> will come back i suppose
[00:15] <togetic> seems no has time to help atm
[00:16] <ign0ramus> amik, after reading this: http://www.mail-archive.com/kubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg19059.html it may be Konsole is stuck in a loop that you keep executing every time you reload that session
[00:16] <amik> ign0ramus: it's not just in konsole... I'll try doing that right now, brb
[00:16] <ign0ramus> amik, kk
[00:17] <amik> ign0ramus: 10x btw :-)
[00:17] <ign0ramus> thx bro
[00:19]  * shadeslayer oogles at irssi at a rez of 1440X900 
[00:20] <shadeslayer> in a tty :)
[00:21] <amik> ign0ramus: just did a reboot, no continued session. opened konsole/dolphin - still getting all the errors.
[00:21] <ign0ramus> amik, ergh.
[00:22] <ign0ramus> amik, can you paste a specific error message?
[00:22] <ign0ramus> amik,  maybe the dolphin one?
[00:22] <amik> ign0ramus: konsole(4720): Attempt to use QAction "change-profile" with KXMLGUIFactory!
[00:22] <amik> ign0ramus: and dolphin shows 6 different errors one after the other
[00:23] <amik> ign0ramus: all in the same format
[00:23] <ign0ramus> amik, what if you purge those apps and reinstall, or is it all kde apps
[00:24] <shadeslayer> ign0ramus: you could try removing ~/.kde
[00:25] <ign0ramus> shadeslayer, also an option, but of course that will remove any other options you may have set in there (but probably none)... it's probably a cleaner solution, actually :)
[00:25] <amik> ign0ramus: not all apps, dunno which are affected - I do use dolphin and konsole the most though
[00:25] <amik> ign0ramus: how would I go about reinstalling them?
[00:25] <ign0ramus> amik, "sudo apt-get purge <app>" then "sudo apt-get install <app>"
[00:26] <amik> ign0ramus: it won't mess up the apt dependencies etc.? I recall there's a dpkg reconfigure something too
[00:26] <ign0ramus> amik, apt is very good with dependencies :)
[00:27] <shadeslayer> ign0ramus: it would just take one command to reset everything and see if there is a problem with the config
[00:27] <shadeslayer> anyhow its up to you :)
[00:27] <ign0ramus> shadeslayer, cp ~/.kde ~/.kde.bak ?
[00:27] <amik> shadeslayer: u'r suggesting I mv .kde folder and restart?
[00:27] <shadeslayer> yeah,why not :)
[00:27] <ign0ramus> amik, back it up and remove the original
[00:27] <shadeslayer> amik: yes
[00:27] <amik> oki, brb
[00:28] <shadeslayer> amik: no need to restart
[00:28] <shadeslayer> log out and log back in
[00:28] <amik> there's also .kde4 and .kderc, are they relevant too?
[00:28]  * shadeslayer just lost KDE
[00:28] <ign0ramus> amik, you upgraded from kde 3?
[00:28] <shadeslayer> \o/
[00:28] <amik> nope
[00:28] <amik> from intrepid, don't think it had kde 3
[00:29] <amik> but, it's possible I screwed up something - I'm still not fluent in kde nor linux
[00:29] <ign0ramus> amik, hmm... the only time i've ever had a ~/.kde4 was when i installed kde 4 alongside kde 3.  On a fresh Jaunty install, there is only ~/.kde... ???
[00:30] <ign0ramus> amik, what the heck, back both of them up, and nuke the originals, and then log out and log back in
[00:30] <shadeslayer> ign0ramus: could please check if kde 4.3 is out or not? im in a tty :)
[00:30] <ZachD> hello
[00:30] <sins-> hello
[00:30] <shadeslayer> ZachD: hey
[00:30] <ign0ramus> shadeslayer, according to topic, kde 4.3 is still beta
[00:31] <ign0ramus> shadeslayer, also listed on kde.org as beta
[00:31] <togetic> alright
[00:31] <togetic> i can access /usr/bin
[00:31] <shadeslayer> ign0ramus: i know....i have no idea what just happened...but i think i accidently upgraded >< , just need to confirm if KDE 4.3 Beta 2 is out??
[00:32] <togetic> but kdm will not start kde or a window manager
[00:32] <togetic> it just returns me to the kdm screen
[00:32] <ign0ramus> shadeslayer, from kde.org "Latest Announcements": "KDE 4.3.0 Beta1 released"
[00:32] <shadeslayer> package manager says kdelibs5 : 4 : 4.2.90
[00:32] <shadeslayer> ign0ramus: strange
[00:32] <togetic> i have purged kdm and reinstalled it
[00:32] <togetic> problem persists
[00:32] <ign0ramus> togetic, what if you reconfigure kdm?
[00:33] <togetic> ign0ramus: how do you do that?
[00:33] <shadeslayer> hahahaha
[00:33] <ign0ramus> togetic, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm"
[00:33] <shadeslayer> kde 4.3 beta 2 is out
[00:33] <togetic> will try
[00:33] <ign0ramus> shadeslayer, it's not on the front page of kde.org
[00:34] <harjot> does any1 know how to simulstanously boot ???
[00:34] <ign0ramus> togetic, alternatively, you can try gdm temporarily until you get kdm issues sorted out
[00:34] <shadeslayer> ign0ramus: kde-config4 --version shows KDE version : 4.3 beta 2
[00:34] <ign0ramus> shadeslayer, no idea
[00:34] <shadeslayer> ok
[00:34] <togetic> ign0ramus: i've already reconfigured kdm it seems
[00:34] <togetic> will install gdm
[00:34] <ign0ramus> togetic, kk
[00:35] <harjot> does any1 know how to boot into windows at the same time as kubuntu ?? [no VM plz]
[00:35] <amik> the errors are gone! although so are all my settings, and the main panel is on the TV screen while the desktop monitor has just the wallpaper... but I suppose it's progress :-)
[00:35] <shadeslayer> harjot: not possible
[00:36] <shadeslayer> amik: congrats :)
[00:36] <sins-> yawns
[00:36] <shadeslayer> ign0ramus: unfourtunately the update broke KDE 4.2.4 :(
[00:36] <amik> shadeslayer: any thought on how I can use the old .kde with all the settings etc., and be able to pinpoint the exact messed up files and delete only them?
[00:36] <shadeslayer> as well as kde 4.3 beta 2 wont work..gives me a crash :'(
[00:37] <togetic> it has to do with my path
[00:37] <harjot> shadeslayer: are u sure [i recall some1 doing it before[
[00:37] <shadeslayer> amik: just copy the backup back to the old folder
[00:37] <ign0ramus> shadeslayer, don't say you weren't warned ;)
[00:37] <togetic> echo $PATH only shows /bin
[00:37] <togetic> i need /usr/bin and others
[00:37] <togetic> how do you edit PATH
[00:37] <shadeslayer> ign0ramus: i wasnt :P...
[00:37] <togetic> i can not find anything on this
[00:37] <togetic> and no one speaks up when i ask
[00:37] <shadeslayer> i didnt even know that i was being upgraded
[00:37] <togetic> where is the PATH txt file?
[00:37] <ign0ramus> togetic, if someone can help you, they most likely will
[00:38] <togetic> sure, but no one has when i've asked about PATH
[00:38] <togetic> never
[00:38] <shadeslayer> ok,ditching my notebook for 2 weeks...ill investigate later :)
[00:38] <shadeslayer> bye all
[00:38] <amik> if I revert .kde, the error will likely return - any idea which specific file(s) are the ones that should be deleted, or how to find them?
[00:39] <ign0ramus> togetic, "kdesudo kate /etc/environment"
[00:39] <sins-> anyone got suggestions for c++ compiler?
[00:40] <ign0ramus> amik, what are you missing that you had before? (it's probably easier to add good stuff than to try to sort through which was good and what wasn't)
[00:40] <togetic> i can't access kde, so it will be sudo vim /etc/environment
[00:40] <ign0ramus> togetic, whatever text editor you like
[00:40] <togetic> hmm, i see more paths there then when i do echo $PATH
[00:41] <amik> ign0ramus: as far as I understand, all settings for all KDE apps!
[00:42] <amik> well, I suppose I can do a binary search of sorts on all .kde files... or compare the recreated folder with the broken one and try to fiture it out...I'll give it a shot. at least I know it's solvable :-)
[00:42] <amik> thanks guys!
[00:42] <ign0ramus> amik, good luck!
[00:42] <amik> ign0ramus: 10x again :-)
[00:44] <togetic> how can i do 'export path = /etc/environment' or something equivalent
[00:44] <togetic> i just need the computer to look @ /etc/environment
[00:45] <ign0ramus> togetic, good question.... i thought that "echo $PATH" called /etc/environment
[00:47] <togetic> ign0ramus: it's usually /etc/profile
[00:47] <togetic> iirc
[00:47] <togetic>  anywho, i installed gdm, doesn't work either
[00:47] <togetic> have tried starting various DEs and window managers
[00:48] <ign0ramus> togetic, are you sure your permissions aren't messed up?
[00:48] <togetic> no
[00:48] <togetic> what do you suggest?
[00:48] <ign0ramus> togetic, many times if kdm/gdm return you to login screen, it's because some files in ~ have become owned by root
[00:49] <ralmar> Hey guys can I use ddr2 1066 ram on a  motherboard that supports up to ddr2 800? will it work fine,  just that at 800 speeds? Thanks
[00:49] <togetic> ign0ramus: what main files?
[00:49] <ign0ramus> togetic, there are probably 'proper' ways to troubleshoot this, but a balls-out "sudo chmod 770 ~" would check it
[00:50] <togetic> what permissions is 770?
[00:50] <ign0ramus> togetic, rwx for root and user, nothing for outside
[00:50] <ign0ramus> togetic, here's an error from someone that couldn't log in: "chown: cannot access `/home/<your_user_name>/.gvfs': Permission denied"
[00:51] <ign0ramus> togetic, oh, you'd have to make it recursive as well
[00:51] <ign0ramus> togetic, what i'm suggesting is by no means the supported way to do things, just so you know
[00:52] <togetic> that didn't work
[00:52] <ign0ramus> togetic, did you make it recursive?
[00:52] <togetic> did..
[00:52] <togetic> sudo...
[00:52] <togetic> chmod ~
[00:52] <togetic> chmod ~/*
[00:52] <togetic> and chmod ~/.*
[00:53] <togetic> essentially what recursive would do
[00:53] <togetic> anywho, didn't work, the only thing it did cause is for both gdm and kdm to tell me that /home/togetic doesn't exist now
[00:53] <togetic> but it does
[00:53] <ign0ramus> togetic, you did include the permissions parameters (770) i assume?
[00:53] <togetic> right
[00:53] <ign0ramus> togetic, very strange
[00:54] <togetic> chmod 770 ~/.* e.g.
[00:54] <ign0ramus> togetic, got it
[00:54] <ign0ramus> togetic, does /var/log/kdm.log  show anything?
[00:54]  * togetic has no patience
[00:54] <togetic> will check
[00:55] <togetic> failed to load module "type1" and "freetype"
[00:55] <togetic> also, xkd: no components provided for device virtual core keyboard [config/dbus] couldn't register object path
[00:56] <ign0ramus> togetic, for the module errors, does your xorg.conf list 'type1' or 'freetype' ?
[00:57] <togetic> ign0ramus: si
[00:57] <togetic> yes
[00:57] <ign0ramus> togetic, for now, comment those lines out
[00:58] <ign0ramus> togetic, have you ran a "sudo apt-get -f install" ?
[00:58] <ign0ramus> togetic, could be a broken update causing these issues... (just a thought)
[00:59] <togetic> so, commenting out the modules didn't do anything except prevent those errors from occuring.
[00:59] <togetic> kdm tells me "Cannot enter home directory. Using /."
[00:59] <togetic> just for future reference, that will need to be fixed
[00:59] <ign0ramus> togetic, are you in users?
[01:00] <togetic> dunno
[01:00] <togetic> should be
[01:00] <ign0ramus> togetic, does "users" list you?
[01:00] <togetic> the error occured after doing chmod 770
[01:00] <togetic> umm, yeah, 5 or so instances of me
[01:01] <togetic> i guess through screen
[01:01] <ign0ramus> togetic, have you tried fixing broken packages/
[01:01] <togetic> i don't know what's broken
[01:01] <ign0ramus> togetic, did you do: "sudo apt-get -f install"?
[01:01] <togetic> already tried it, nothing
[01:01] <togetic> am doing apt-get autoremove atm
[01:02] <Simon99> I'm having trouble running GMailFS on Kubuntu 9.04.  I think 've installed all the dependencies.  When I run /usr/share/pyshared/gmailfs.py /media/gmail/ gmailfs username=<user>,password=<pw>,fsname=<fsname>    I get an error message ending "No module named _fuse".  I have installed python-fuse.  What am I doing wrong?
[01:03] <togetic> on the upside of things i'm not having to reboot into a live cd, yay
[01:03] <togetic> might reboot in just a bit
[01:05] <togetic> problem removing oppenoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us
[01:05] <togetic> dpkg error
[01:06] <ign0ramus> togetic, can you force remove it?
[01:08] <togetic> doing apt-get remove -f oppenoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us right?
[01:08] <togetic> purging didn't work
[01:08] <togetic> apt-get remove -f didn't either
[01:08] <ign0ramus> togetic, try this: "dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us_2.3-5_all.deb"
[01:08] <togetic> apt-get remove --force-yes didn't
[01:09] <ign0ramus> togetic, then do: "sudo apt-get -f dist-upgrade"
[01:10] <togetic> no such file there
[01:11] <ign0ramus> togetic, replace it with the file you do have then
[01:11] <togetic> not there
[01:11] <togetic> no hyphenation-en-us file exists in the dir
[01:12] <Zorael> could it be in .partial/?
[01:12] <Zorael> er
[01:12] <Zorael> ./partial
[01:12] <togetic> Zorael: where is ./partial located?
[01:12] <Zorael> ./var/cache/apt/archives/partial
[01:13] <Zorael> Anyway, you're trying to remove it, right?
[01:13] <ign0ramus> togetic, "sudo apt-get install <package-name> -o DPkg::options::="--force-overwrite" should also work
[01:13] <Zorael> You don't need the deb for that
[01:13] <max_> ign0ramus: this install worked. But again, it is VERY slow.
[01:13] <togetic> nm, found it
[01:13] <ign0ramus> max_, what does "top" tell you
[01:14] <togetic> nothing is in /var/lib/apt/lists/partial
[01:14] <max_> 'xorg' is using 30-40%, 'kded' is using 10-20%, and a few other things are using 1%.
[01:15] <togetic> looking at the dpkg log file does show openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us as being half-installed
[01:15] <ign0ramus> max_, xorg should not be using 40% cpu... that is most likely the issue. now the solution... google :)
[01:16] <max_> ign0ramus: What would i google?
[01:16] <ign0ramus> togetic, most likely your video card and xorg
[01:16] <ign0ramus> max, most likely your video card and xorg
[01:16] <ign0ramus> sorry togetic... not meant for you
[01:16] <max_> ign0ramus: alright
[01:17] <ign0ramus> togetic, does ""sudo apt-get install openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us -o DPkg::options::="--force-overwrite" work for you?
[01:17] <Zorael> max_: Did you try the restricted driver yet?
[01:18] <max_> Zorael: opening add/remove to isntall that right now
[01:18] <Zorael> (iirc you had some integrated Nvidia chipset?)
[01:18] <Zorael> mmkay
[01:18] <max_> Y
[01:18] <max_> Yes i do*
[01:19] <max_> How can i find the exact model on my graphics chipset?
[01:20] <togetic> ign0ramus: no
[01:21] <togetic> log shows half-configured openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us file now
[01:22] <ign0ramus> togetic, does the .deb package exist in /var/cache/apt?
[01:22] <togetic> and everytime i start a new screen in screen, i have to reset the paths using export PATHS=/usr/bin:/bin:/sbin etc
[01:22] <togetic> which is why i was asking for a txt file
[01:23] <togetic> and how PATHS work
[01:23] <ign0ramus> togetic, i gave you the only one i'm aware of
[01:24] <togetic> ign0ramus: yes it is
[01:24] <togetic> it's in /var/cache/apt/archive
[01:24] <togetic> s/archive/archives
[01:24] <ign0ramus> togetic, if you try to install it with dpkg, will it overwrite the half-install?
[01:25] <togetic> dunno
[01:27] <ign0ramus> togetic, according to one post, you can keep PATHs by adding the proper lines to "~/.bashrc"
[01:27] <togetic> ign0ramus: don't know how to install using dpkg
[01:27] <ign0ramus> togetic, "sudo dpkg -i <package.deb>"
[01:27] <togetic> so i've been told, but i don't know what the proper way of doing this is
[01:28] <ign0ramus> togetic, in ~/.bashrc, you can put on Line 1: " PATH=$PATH:/new_path:/even_newer_path "
[01:28] <ign0ramus> togetic, Line 2 = "  export PATH  "
[01:28] <Zorael> max_: lspci | grep VGA
[01:29] <Zorael> or lshw -c video
[01:29] <togetic> okay, no sudo dpkg -i <thepackage.deb> didn't work
[01:29] <max_> thanks
[01:30] <Zorael> togetic: error message output?
[01:30] <togetic> hmm
[01:30] <togetic> Zorael: same as before, half-configured package
[01:30] <togetic> i can't ls ~/.*
[01:30] <togetic> permission denied o.O
[01:31] <Zorael> togetic: sudo dpkg -i --force package.deb
[01:31] <togetic> --force isn't recognized
[01:32] <Zorael> togetic: mmkay. sudo dpkg --configure openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us
[01:33] <togetic> hmm
[01:33] <togetic> i'm told...
[01:34] <togetic> ack
[01:34] <togetic> i closed teh screen
[01:34] <Zorael> eheh
[01:34] <togetic> anyway, briefly...
[01:34] <togetic> must specify to dpkg the package name and not quote the name of the file in the archive
[01:34] <togetic> so..i used openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us and it couldn't find the file
[01:35] <ign0ramus> togetic, you need "filename.deb"
[01:35] <Zorael> Not for --configure, I think
[01:35] <Zorael> Just "openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us", the package name
[01:35] <ign0ramus> Zorael, you may be right, but the error message suggests otherwise (?)
[01:36] <Zorael> togetic: Could you try again and pastebin the error message?
[01:36] <togetic> again was told "you must specify packages by their own names, not by quoting the names of the files they come in"
[01:36] <alexshenoy> can someone explain the ext4 data loss problems to me.
[01:36] <max_> ign0ramus: I installed the restricted drivers and its awesome now.
[01:36] <Zorael> togetic: but openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us is its own package
[01:36] <alexshenoy> i wanted to upgrade my filesystems, but i heard all this stuff about data loss.
[01:36] <ign0ramus> max_, sweet :)
[01:36] <max_> So thank you ign0ramus and Zorael too!
[01:36] <Zorael> max_: :3
[01:37] <alexshenoy> on wikipedia it says that its due to delayed writing, but engadget said it was application incompatibilities
[01:37] <ign0ramus> alexshenoy, that was a major issue for ext4, but afaik, it is considered stable enough for release
[01:37] <alexshenoy> well does it still have those problems
[01:38] <Zorael> togetic: please pastebin you entering the command and then the error output, I don't see why it complains about that, since it works when I try it
[01:38] <ign0ramus> alexshenoy, all FS has that problem... just a matter of how likely
[01:39] <togetic> sorry was afk on the phone
[01:39] <togetic> how do you use webboard?
[01:40] <Zorael> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com
[01:40] <alexshenoy> i know. i just want to know its still as bad as before. b/c i dont want to upgrade and lose tons of data
[01:40] <alexshenoy> ign0ramus:i know. i just want to know its still as bad as before. b/c i dont want to upgrade and lose tons of data
[01:40] <togetic> it's the only paste utility i see in apt
[01:40] <togetic> Zorael: can't do pastebin.ubuntu.com
[01:40] <togetic> unless webboard pastes there
[01:40] <Zorael> togetic: can't you just open up pastebin.ubuntu.com in a browser?
[01:40] <togetic> i will have to pipe the output to a file or some program which pastes it and gives me a url
[01:40] <togetic> no, i can't access a browser
[01:40] <togetic> am in cli
[01:41] <Zorael> oh
[01:41] <togetic> can't get to kde
[01:41]  * togetic thinks ign0ramus has given up
[01:42] <Zorael> togetic: w3m http://pastebin.ubuntu.com
[01:42] <togetic> i may have to purchase a backup drive and install a distro
[01:42] <Zorael> oh doh, nvm
[01:42] <Zorael> can't select
[01:42] <togetic> Zorael: okay, yeah.. but i don't think i can get copy/paste action in tty
[01:42] <Zorael> togetic: Yeah, just realized
[01:43] <togetic> alright, i'll just figure this out
[01:43] <togetic> anywho.. i don't have permissions to write or read my own home dir
[01:44] <togetic> sudo sudoers?
[01:44] <harolddong> is there some way to make konntact always start on the summary page no matter it was last on?
[01:44] <Zorael> logically, "sudo dpkg --configure openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us" is the way to go; openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us is its own package, can be confirmed with apt-cache policy openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us
[01:44] <Zorael> togetic: um, check permissions of your home dir, heh. :3
[01:44] <togetic> right, how?
[01:45] <togetic> and how to put myself the permissions to read and write
[01:45] <togetic> ah, nm
[01:45] <Zorael> sudo chown username:group /home/username -R
[01:48] <togetic> hmm, it's taking a long time, whatever is happening with that command
[01:48] <Zorael> it should; it recursively goes through your home folder and assigns ownership to you
[01:49] <ign0ramus> togetic, i have to run, but you can install pastebinit and post and read pastebins from cli
[01:49] <ign0ramus> togetic, i'll be around tomorrow if you still have problems
[01:52] <togetic> hmm
[01:52] <Zorael> togetic: redo it with -Rv instead of -R if you want to be assured it's actually doing stuff
[01:52] <togetic> i need to figure out the permissions
[01:52] <togetic> because i am able to login now
[01:52] <togetic> but...
[01:52] <togetic> i can't launch firefox
[01:52] <togetic> because i can't create the proper permissions
[01:52] <togetic> i don't have the*
[01:52] <togetic> and i have ran the -R command
[01:52] <togetic> chown -R
[01:53] <togetic> it completed doing whatever it was doing
[01:53] <Zorael> togetic: okay. "ls -l /home"
[01:53] <Zorael> togetic: do you have full permissions to your home dir to begin with? now that we're certain it's owned by you
[01:54] <togetic> my home shows me as being owned by myself..
[01:54] <togetic> but i can't do ls -l /home
[01:54] <togetic> i have to do sudo /ls -l /home
[01:55] <togetic> drwxrwx--
[01:55] <togetic> 131
[01:55] <Zorael> togetic: mmkay
[01:55] <Zorael> togetic: can you list /? or /usr?
[01:56] <togetic> btw, my apt-get is now not working because of the darned openoffice.org-hypenation
[01:56] <Zorael> well, get firefox running so you can pastebin stuff first :3
[01:56] <Zorael> or use pastebinit there, I guess
[01:57] <togetic> i just did 'apt-get build-dep openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us'
[01:57] <Zorael> togetic: can you list root? ls /
[01:57] <togetic> and was told to put 'source' uris in my sources.list :\
[01:57] <togetic> yes i can
[01:58] <Zorael> togetic: um, yeah, build-dep fetches dependencies so you can build the source of the package you specify
[01:58] <togetic> but i cannot open /home according to ls
[01:58] <Zorael> but you can't list /home?
[01:58] <togetic> oh, i thought it was to take care of dep. hell
[01:58] <togetic> nope
[01:58] <Zorael> ls -l / | grep home
[01:58] <togetic> can't list /home
[01:58] <togetic> root root
[01:59] <Zorael> drwx r-x r-x?
[01:59] <togetic> nope
[01:59] <togetic> drwxrwx--
[01:59] <Zorael> there it is, okay
[01:59] <togetic> drwxrwx--- **
[02:00] <Fastbyron> hola
[02:00] <Zorael> sudo chmod 0755 /home
[02:00] <Zorael> no -R
[02:00] <Zorael> this time
[02:00] <Fastbyron> hi
[02:00] <Fastbyron> somebody?
[02:01] <innna> could someone please help me, i upgraded from 8.04 to 9.04 and it didn't work out so well, so i re-installed the whole shit and now i don't find the pretty black and white kde icon theme. my roommate is sleeping and i'm lost and very pissed off.
[02:01] <togetic> ack
[02:01] <innna> so if anyone remembers/knows the name of that theme
[02:01] <togetic> i can't login using a wm now
[02:02] <Fastbyron> you are so fucked up  :@
[02:02] <togetic> yup
[02:02] <Pici> Please mind your language in this channel.
[02:02] <togetic> eh, oh, nm
[02:02] <Fastbyron> sorry
[02:03] <Fastbyron> why you dont erase yous historia?
[02:03] <Fastbyron> your
[02:03] <Zorael> togetic: you should be able to list /home now, right? And your user dir, and firefox should start
[02:03] <Fastbyron> zorael !!!
[02:03] <togetic> Zorael: yes
[02:03] <Fastbyron> how can you say that?
[02:03] <Zorael> innna: kde-icons-mono?
[02:04] <innna> Zorael, maybe!
[02:04] <Zorael> togetic: So, try dpkg --configure openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us and pastebin the output .3
[02:04] <Zorael> :3*
[02:04] <togetic> Zorael: theoretically, but a wm doesn't work. afk for a few secs on the phone
[02:04] <Fastbyron> hey you are sio nerdy
[02:06] <Pici> Fastbyron: Do you have a support question? If not, you can chat in #kubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-offtopic  .  #kubuntu is for support only.
[02:07] <Fastbyron> shut the fuck up  pici !!!!!!!!!!!!i
[02:07] <innna> Zorael, yes this is the one! thank you. :)
[02:08] <Zorael> innna: :3
[02:10] <innna> i don't understand why it was so hard for me to find it on my own. i blame my sex
[02:11] <togetic> PATH=$PATH:/usr/bin:/bin
[02:11] <togetic> can't source .bashrc after inserting that
[02:11] <togetic> syntax error
[02:11] <togetic> as well as after doing..
[02:11] <togetic> PATH=$PATH:"/usr/bin:/bin"
[02:13] <togetic> i'm thinking now that it has something to do with PATHS?..
[02:13] <togetic> so i'm working on the paths...
[02:15] <Zorael> I don't know much about environment variables, so can't help you there
[02:15] <Zorael> I do know that your dpkg --configure command should work, though
[02:21] <togetic> but it won't
[02:21] <togetic> Zorael: we've already tried it
[02:22] <togetic> will have to figure out how webboard works before giving you a paste
[02:22] <Zorael> togetic: yeah, and the error message makes no sense, which is why I want to see it
[02:22] <Zorael> pastebinit was easy, pipe the output to a file and then just do pastebinit filename
[02:22] <Zorael> or just pipe it to pastebinit, perhaps
[02:22] <togetic> yeah, if i could install it, i would
[02:22] <Zorael> oh, right
[02:25] <Zorael> togetic: Could do wget http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/p/pastebinit/pastebinit_0.11.2-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[02:25] <Zorael> but a pain to type out
[02:25] <Zorael> dependency: python
[02:29] <Zorael> togetic: wget tinyurl.com/pbinit
[02:32] <togetic> it can't find update-openoffice-dicts
[02:32] <togetic> Zorael
[02:33] <togetic> that's the main error there
[02:33] <togetic> i guess
[02:33] <togetic> and i can't pastebinit
[02:33] <togetic> the output from dpkdg --configure PACKAGE > file.txt is nothing
[02:33] <togetic> well, just one line saying it's configuring, but no errors
[02:34] <togetic> i'm rebooting into live cd
[02:34] <togetic> well
[02:34] <togetic> rebooting in general
[02:34] <togetic> then i will reboot into live cd
[02:34] <Zorael> if update-openoffice-dicts has been removed without dpkg noticing, then yeah, you'd need to reinstall that package
[02:44] <togetic> i think it's a matter of fixing apt now
[02:45] <togetic> brb
[02:45] <tomsdale> Can I delete nspluginviewer ? it always drives my CPU usage up and I have the binary version of flash installed anyway.
[02:45]  * togetic had to start screen
[02:46] <togetic> where is update-openoffice-dicts?
[02:47] <togetic> because dpkg can not find it and it seems to need it
[02:49] <togetic> Zorael^2: ^
[02:49] <Zorael^2> togetic: live cD?
[02:49] <Zorael^2> er, cd*
[02:50] <togetic> no
[02:50] <togetic> i figure i can fix all this stuff if we can just get apt to work
[02:50] <Zorael^2> right
[02:51] <Zorael^2> does /usr/sbin/update-openoffice-dicts exist?
[02:51] <togetic_> whoops
[02:51] <togetic_> guess i will reboot into live cd...
[02:51] <tree> howdy , I have an ati raedon 7000 video card and I just upgraded to 8.04 , Through different messing around ive screwed up xorg.conf what is the command to get xwindows to look for and reinstall my video card ?
[03:05] <ARMENIAN> hi, I just installed kde on ubuntu with kubuntu-desktop, and by accident I removed the panel which shows all the running programs and everything, could someone tell me what it is called?
[03:06] <tsimpson> Task Manager
[03:07] <ARMENIAN> tsimpson: wow thanks so much
[03:07] <tsimpson> no problem
[03:08] <ARMENIAN> tsimpson: now u think u could tell me how i can move it lol
[03:08] <tsimpson> you should just be able to drag it where you want it
[03:08] <ARMENIAN> nm i got it u need to
[03:09] <ARMENIAN> dragging didnt wokr i had to open up panel settings to get it to move
[03:09] <tsimpson> ah
[03:09] <BluesKaj> yup, that's what you need to do
[03:10] <ARMENIAN> now one last thing, im coming from gnome wanna give kde a try, with gnome whenever i logged in, compiz-fusion would work automatically how can i get it to run in kde?
[03:11] <tsimpson> System Settings -> Default Applications -> Window Manager
[03:14] <ARMENIAN> tsimpson: yep, thanks
[03:14] <ARMENIAN> have to say kde takes longer to start up than gnome, and i mean much longer, u get that whgole menu showing it loading, but it does have a lot of features and options that gnome doesnt
[03:19] <milo_> im having trouble with my vpnc
[03:19] <milo_> it looks like my wifi driver is fucked up
[03:20] <milo_> can someone help me out?
[03:32] <halberd> my konsole has no lines of scrollback, only what I see on the screen
[03:32] <halberd> how can I diagnose the problem?
[03:33] <halberd> oh wait! duh, answer is obvious, it's because I'm using screen
[04:14] <max_> !deb
[04:26] <ARMENIAN> how can i change my window theme using compiz?
[04:27] <ARMENIAN> i have my window manager set as compiz for the effects but compiz seems to be using the gnome decorations
[04:29] <ARMENIAN> no one?
[04:30] <halberd> is there any way to make some kind of cursor animation when I click?
[04:30] <halberd> I'm using a touchpad and sometimes it's hard to tell if I made a successful tap-click or not
[04:34] <julio> wena
[04:35] <julio> hacete trolo
[04:35] <julio> viva pinochet
[04:37] <max_> When im viewing my home folder, the "desktop" item has no icon untill i hover over it. How can i get it to display the icon all the time?
[04:49] <max_> How can i remove things from the system places icon?
[04:49] <max_> system menu*
[04:56] <ARMENIAN> how do i add effects in kde without using compiz?
[04:59] <linuxguy> i have to say for desktop use I am never going back to debian.
[04:59] <shanipribadi> are you using kubuntu 9.04?
[04:59] <shanipribadi> i thought kubuntu 9.04 defaults with KWin
[05:00] <shanipribadi> just go to System Settings --> Desktop
[05:00] <shanipribadi> there should be effects option
[05:03] <dfrey> Spell checking doesn't work for me in openoffice.  When I try to check spelling, it just says "The spellcheck is complete", but I know it didn't run because I intentionally made a mistake.
[05:05] <dfrey> When I go to Tools > Options > Language Settings > Writing Aids, I can see "Hunspell SpellChecker" at the top
[05:05] <ARMENIAN> shanipribadi: ohh ok there we go thanks :P
[05:07] <ARMENIAN> wow im loving kde and gnome cant decide which one i want to use :P
[05:08] <ARMENIAN> im used to gnome and i love the apps, yet kde looks much nicer hmm
[05:09] <shanipribadi> dfrey: how do you check spelling? cos for me it's working fine, a wrong spelling will be underlined red
[05:09] <oscarvillota> ##wubi
[05:10] <digdeep> I found gnome has more supports, e.g. tutorials, apps. KDE has better look, as you mention. (It still has many supports)
[05:10] <dfrey> shanipribadi: I have the "AutoSpellCheck" option enabled in the toolbar, but nothing ever gets underlines
[05:11] <shanipribadi> dfrey:hmm.. what language are you using?
[05:11] <shanipribadi> dfrey: perhaps it's a dictionary problem? or wrong language?
[05:13] <shanipribadi> dfrey: when you press f7, what are the choices of language?
[05:14] <shanipribadi> well, the amount of support depends of the amount of people using gnome, considering that more people are using ubuntu than kubuntu, than there would be more  gnome user, right?
[05:15] <digdeep> sure
[05:27] <ejat> can some help me on this : http://paste.ubuntu.com/192168/
[05:33] <dfrey> shanipribadi: I figured it out.  I had my default language set to "English (Canada)", but there was no dictionary for that, so I just changed my default language to "English (UK)"
[05:35] <shanipribadi> dfrey:okay
[05:44] <shanipribadi> ejat: where do you get the kdebase-workspace-dev package from?
[05:51] <shanipribadi> ejat:apparently libkephal.so is included in kdebase-workspace-bin for jaunty, while it is included In kdebase-workspace-dev for karmic. The conflict is between those two.
[05:52] <shanipribadi> ejat: you may try ti upgrade the kdebase-workspace-bin to karmic version first, then do the upgrade kdebase-workspace-dev
[05:54] <shanipribadi> ejat: im not sure why there is difference between those two. you'll have to contact the packager, or someone who knows more.
[05:59] <lemon_> hi all !!
[05:59] <lemon_> É cúbuntu na veia !!!!!!!!!!!
[05:59] <lemon_> Algum brasileiro sem ter o que fazer ai tb ?
[06:02] <lemon_> Someone develop in prolog ??????
[06:03] <kdean06> Is the radeonHD driver in Jaunty capable of KDE's desktop effects?
[06:26] <ARMENIAN> how do you set the startup applications?
[06:31] <hateball> ARMENIAN: one way is to put scripts in ~/.kde/Autostart
[06:32] <ARMENIAN> hateball: well like Gnome had a startup applications menu, I was wondering whether KDE has something similar
[06:32] <hateball> ARMENIAN: It probably has, not normally on KDE so I dont remember... But there's bound to be a gui of sorts :)
[06:33] <ARMENIAN> hateball: well thanks anyway :D just wondering, what u running?
[06:34] <hateball> ARMENIAN: Usually GNOME, tho I'll be looking to move to XFCE or LXDE soonish
[06:34] <ARMENIAN> hateball: why, don't tell me gnome isnt running well on ur comp that's why u downgrading
[06:35] <hateball> ARMENIAN: My google-fu either fails, or the only way to run startup stuff in KDE is manually adding scripts
[06:35] <hateball> ARMENIAN: Well I run GNOME at home, but I'll be changing to a netbook at work. Also... we have a thinclient solution, but with both GNOME and KDE moving towards needing compositing, I need to look at other options
[06:36] <ARMENIAN> hateball: lol, i hope KDE has a menu for it, I've been using KDE for only a couple hours now, but form what I've seen everything is harder to find than in gnome but has more features and options than gnome even if they are more confusing
[06:36] <ARMENIAN> sad thing is it has already crashed once since i used it and ive only been using for liek 2 hours
[06:36] <hateball> ARMENIAN: GNOME can be confusing too, just open gconf-editor -_-
[06:36] <GS3User007> i failed to notice that knetworkmanager wasn't connected to my network before attempting to install wicd. Aptitude went ahead and uninstalled knetworkmanager, then failed to install wicd. I tried installing wicd from the .deb, but I apparently lack a large number of dependencies. Is there a way to reinstall knetworkmanager and co from the cd?
[06:38] <ARMENIAN> hateball: right now im between kde and gnome, don't know what I will use I was using gnome for like over 2 weeks but just gave kde a try and im liking it
[06:38] <hateball> ARMENIAN: Use whatever works I say :) KDE has a much nicer windowmanager than GNOME, if you're into flashy effects and what not
[06:39] <ARMENIAN> hateball: the thing is gnome has compiz :D
[06:39] <hateball> ARMENIAN: Well KWin has most of the stuff Compiz has...
[06:39] <GS3User007> yeah
[06:39] <hateball> Without the need of nasty hacks
[06:39] <GS3User007> compositing is built in
[06:39] <hateball> Metacity has compositing as well, but it's not... great
[06:40] <ARMENIAN> hateball: yep, u're right, but what I found was that compiz runs much more smoothly, Kwin effects are kind of laggy on my computer
[06:40] <hateball> ARMENIAN: As I said, use whatever works ;)
[06:40] <ARMENIAN> hateball: :D
[06:41]  * hateball goes back to fiddling with zimbra...
[06:42] <ARMENIAN> hateball: overall I like gnome more especially the native apps but then again kde isnt too shabby with all the different widgets and allowing u to put live shortcuts to folders on ur desktop
[06:42] <ARMENIAN> tough, tough :D
[06:42] <hateball> ARMENIAN: That's why there's choice :)
[06:42] <davidkali> choice choice choice
[06:42] <hateball> Personally... I do prefer a clean stylish look, with no extra bloat
[06:42] <davidkali> we have no choice, we're just gonna go with what we like
[06:43] <ARMENIAN> lol, wouldve been better if there was no choice, then I'd just be forced to use one because there wouldnt be another :P
[06:43] <davidkali> and i like gentoo!
[06:43] <davidkali> *cough* I mean kubuntu
[06:43] <ARMENIAN> lol
[06:43] <davidkali> gentoo is so outdated! :)
[06:43] <HollowPoint> If you've got the time Gentoo is one of the best operating systems in existance, let alone distributions
[06:44] <davidkali> Oh, speaking of which, can apt compile programs from source if I ask it to?
[06:44] <HollowPoint> I believe there is a command yes
[06:44] <davidkali> hrmm. okay, lets see if I can find one
[06:44] <HollowPoint> man apt-get :D
[06:45] <ARMENIAN> who has the time? :P
[06:45] <davidkali> I was wondering through more like the package managers
[06:45] <hateball> davidkali: apt-source
[06:45] <HollowPoint> I used to, and since I'm single again I'm wondering if I might
[06:46] <hateball> Normally the binaries have sane compileflags tho... and the 1-2% gain *really* isnt worth the time :p
[06:46] <davidkali> hey with some new computers, its all a matter of just backgrounding it. :)
[06:46] <davidkali> It can be on the laptops
[06:46] <davidkali> Reduce load, stop the damn things from overheating
[06:46] <HollowPoint> yeah agreed the speed differences these days on modern hardware and multi-threaded processing built into programs etc aren't really worth it, but the experience is, IF you have the time
[06:47] <hateball> Go skydiving if you want an experience ;b
[06:47] <davidkali> been there, fell that
[06:47] <HollowPoint> nah I prefer experiences with only a 0.11111111% chance of killing me I'm afraid
[06:48] <HollowPoint> plus I'm a geek, not a thrill seeker
[06:48] <hateball> Fair enough :D
[06:48] <davidkali> You have a higher chance of dying in the bathroom than 0.11_
[06:48] <davidkali> Higher chance of dying if you don't use the bathroom too.
[06:49] <HollowPoint> which is why I only shave once every couple of weeks, don't use anything electrical in the bathroom and don't keep dangerous chemicals in there :D
[06:49] <davidkali> Never know when you'll impale yourself on a cactus or a holly bush
[06:49] <davidkali> Okay, you need to crack a window hollowpoint
[06:49] <HollowPoint> lmao
[06:49] <HollowPoint> I have a day job which gets me out, I'm not paranoid, just don't see much point in deliberately putting myself at risk of certain stuff
[06:50] <davidkali> there is no point to it, just do it!
[06:50] <davidkali> with a pair of nikes on so you can run when the cops come. :)
[06:50] <HollowPoint> lol my ex thinks that way too, works for her, not for me.
[06:51] <davidkali> so if you don't like risk, why you try out linux?
[06:52] <HollowPoint> I like risk, I just like living too
[06:52] <davidkali> okay okay
[06:52] <HollowPoint> I like fast cars and bikes for example
[06:52] <HollowPoint> many normal everyday people who WOULD go skydiving would say I'm stupid for going to track days and riding motorbikes
[06:53] <digdeep> * watching wild hog
[06:53] <ARMENIAN> wow
[06:53] <ARMENIAN> KDE just crashed for second time in 2 hours
[06:54] <HollowPoint> If I die at 175mph in a fatal crash at Silverstone I'm having fun, if I go splat onto some concrete after 5 minutes of falling with no parachute I die quite unhappy lol
[06:54] <ARMENIAN> very unstable? or is it me?
[06:54] <HollowPoint> ARMENIAN, KDE what on what?
[06:54] <ARMENIAN> KDE on Ubuntu
[06:54] <ARMENIAN> newest KDE
[06:54] <HollowPoint> 4.2.2 or dev branch?
[06:54] <ARMENIAN> on newest Ubuntu :P
[06:55] <davidkali> Whats newest? :) I have Kubuntu 9.10 alpha 1
[06:55] <ARMENIAN> idk w.e. sudo apt-get install Kubuntu-Desktop gets u :P
[06:55] <HollowPoint> and Ubuntu or Kubuntu? Also you talking dev Ubuntu or stable release?
[06:55] <digdeep> how do I play .3gp file with sound
[06:55] <HollowPoint> digdeep install vlc
[06:55] <ARMENIAN> it's ubuntu with kde installed afterwards
[06:55] <HollowPoint> ok so it's not dev release of KDE but what release of Ubuntu?
[06:55] <digdeep> vlc complains missing samr
[06:55] <HollowPoint> Jaunty ?
[06:56] <ARMENIAN> yep
[06:56] <digdeep> realplayer complains missing video/X-RN-MP4
[06:56] <ARMENIAN> first time i opened up an im window in pidgin and bam a crash i could move mouse but coudlnt click anything or do anything
[06:56] <HollowPoint> ARMENIAN try just installing Kubuntu Jaunty instead?
[06:56] <ARMENIAN> second time the video signal to my monitor just went out of nowhere
[06:57] <HollowPoint> digdeep maybe the file is the problem? I'
[06:57] <HollowPoint> I have played 3gp files in VLC many times, in Kubuntu and been fine
[06:57] <ARMENIAN> i mean im just testing it been running gnome on ubuntu for 2 weeks fine just installed KDE like 2 hours ago and so far these two problems not good not good
[06:58] <digdeep> HollowPoint: pretty sure codes is missing, since every 3gp file does
[06:58] <HollowPoint> yeah I've had problems before installing KDE onto Ubuntu as opposed to just installing Kubuntu
[06:58] <HollowPoint> digdeep, what version of kubuntu are you running? Did you compile VLC or install from source? Do you have codec packs installed?
[06:59] <ARMENIAN> HollowPoint: yeah but this is linux it shouldnt do that :P
[06:59] <HollowPoint> lol ARMENIAN Linux is unfortunately still prone to more problems than certain other OS's and always will be for the simple fact that it's so customizable and configurable
[07:00] <shanipribadi> ARMENIAN: perhaps there's conflict somewhere? im runnin kubuntu and it's pretty stable.. (except the effin binary wireless driver)
[07:00] <HollowPoint> I'm running Jaunty, have been since Intrepid and simply ran the update, no problems here with stability
[07:01] <ARMENIAN> shanipribadi: well i dont have wireless so i dont have that problem lol, but yeah idk never had teh problem with gnome, could just be bad luck and itll run great after now, who knows
[07:01] <digdeep> HollowPoint: Jaunty, install from source, not sure which codec packs
[07:01] <shanipribadi> digdeep:if im not mistaken mplayer has complete codec for 3gp, but youll need to get it from medibuntu
[07:02] <HollowPoint> digdeep, if you installed VLC from source you may have missed the flag for the codecs, if you install VLC from the repos as a binary it'll run almost any media file without having to install seperate codecs
[07:03] <HollowPoint> not really any advantages to installing VLC from source, it's not like Amarok or Firefox etc where a nightly build can give you a very different experience, more features etc
[07:03] <ogzy> any suggestion about desktop recording fro KDE3, except from xvidcap and krecordmydesktop, they are not working well on KDE
[07:04] <HollowPoint> never had a problem with krecordmydesktop
[07:04] <shanipribadi> ARMENIAN: i installed another wm in ubuntu once before (some light wm, dont remember which) , weird things happen on it.
[07:04] <HollowPoint> KDE itself is fantastic, as is Kubuntu, as is Ubuntu etc, but once you try and crossover to what it wasn't built on, you start to get problems
[07:06] <ogzy> HollowPoint: the one at the Hardy repo has already a bug, i couldnt record and save
[07:06] <ARMENIAN1> hey back
[07:06] <ARMENIAN1> wow why does my name have a 1 on the end?
[07:06] <HollowPoint> ogzy, I ran it on hardy without any problems but I'm 2 infront now on Jaunty
[07:06] <shanipribadi> crash again?
[07:06] <ARMENIAN> there
[07:06] <ARMENIAN> yeah it crashed again
[07:06] <ARMENIAN> i think i know the cause
[07:07] <shanipribadi> what is it?
[07:07] <ARMENIAN> 1 of two things
[07:07] <ogzy> HollowPoint: i installed and tried got errors, was trying to install from source which i encounter with Can't find X libraries. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! error, although libx11-dev is installed
[07:07] <ARMENIAN> well what i was doing when it crashed was i was minimizing and opening windows really fast
[07:08] <davidkali> Eh...
[07:08] <ARMENIAN> im thinking the KDE animations are either causing my video card to overheat or somehting that's why I no longer get a signal but the computer is still on, or KDE is just crashing
[07:08] <ARMENIAN> idk never had the problem in Gnome, I'm in Gnome right now
[07:09] <ARMENIAN> I use Compiz no problems, maybe if i turn the effects off in Kwin it wont happen idk
[07:09] <shanipribadi> well, the graphic is slower in kde for me compared to gnome.
[07:09] <ARMENIAN> yep same
[07:09] <shanipribadi> i dont know if it's driver problems, or that generally kde is heavier on graphic side
[07:09] <ARMENIAN> its a little more laggy
[07:11] <shanipribadi> but yes.. i got lockups if i do things very fast, but i think it's cause of my wireless, cos it also happened with gnome
[07:12] <shanipribadi> anyway.. could it be that there's gnome programs running that's in conflict with kde?
[07:13] <ARMENIAN> shanipribadi: well like using KDE i opened an im window in pidgin and it crashed my whole computer except for the cursor crashed
[07:14] <ARMENIAN> shanipribadi: actually pidgin is running that might be it idk
[07:15] <shanipribadi> well, ive never tried pidgin in kde, so idk.
[07:15] <shanipribadi> i ran pidgin on gnome, but now that im using kde in kubuntu, i use kopete
[07:18] <ARMENIAN> shanipribadi: yeah idk, didn't try kopete
[07:18] <ARMENIAN> shanipribadi: so what was ur reason for switching?
[07:18] <shanipribadi> ARMENIAN: haha.. im just bored with the looks of gnome in ubuntu, i was using hardy
[07:19] <shanipribadi> ARMENIAN: so when jaunty came out i decided to try kubuntu
[07:19] <shanipribadi> ARMENIAN: i didnt try intrepid, cos there was no rt kernel.
[07:19] <ARMENIAN> rT?
[07:19] <shanipribadi> linux-rt, realtime kernel
[07:19] <shanipribadi> for music
[07:21] <shanipribadi> im getting used to the apps in kde, they still need improvements though, cos of the Migration from kde3
[07:23] <ARMENIAN> shanipribadi: idk im not really a fan of apps in kde especially amarok
[07:23] <ARMENIAN> yet i really like apps in gnome such as pidgin
[07:23] <shanipribadi> the only thing that is a real problem for me is that there is no gnash binary for konqueror, the one in the repo is broken, and the status is wontfix cause of no maintainer. so i had to use adobe flash
[07:25] <ARMENIAN> u use konqureur lol i use firefos
[07:25] <ARMENIAN> firefox*
[07:25] <shanipribadi> well.. amarok still needs some work done, cos most of the work was for porting it to kde4
[07:25] <shanipribadi> well, konqueror was already available so i did not need to download anything, im lazy for that kind of thing
[07:25] <ARMENIAN> shanipribadi: well what annoyed me is i think when i used amarok, it created empty folders with the name of artists and stuff
[07:26] <shanipribadi> anyway.. i like the Access Keys feature for konqueror
[07:26] <shanipribadi> empty folders? where?
[07:27] <shanipribadi> what i dont like in amarok is that you cant search in filenames. It was available on the old amarok for kde3, but not here.
[07:29] <vbgunz> cchrist almighty, kmail is so slow, its every slow quote ever put together... what in the world is causing it to be so slow? last thing I did was a search *but* kmail crashed over that... then now on every start its just terrible :(
[07:33] <shanipribadi> is it only kmail that is slow? or also other kde apps?
[07:37] <digdeep> 3gp problem solved --> Install medibuntu and mplayer
[07:42] <digdeep> does kubuntu (jaunty) uses alsa for sound by default?
[07:46] <shanipribadi> it has phonon, alsa is supported
[07:46] <shanipribadi> i think
[07:48] <digdeep> I have pulseaudio & alsa installed, is there a way to pick which one to use?
[07:49] <HollowPoint> System Settings
[07:50] <digdeep> HollowPoint: in System Settings: 1st one: HDA Intel (ALC885 Analog), 2nd one PulseAudio
[07:50] <digdeep> The HDA Intel always fails to work, then kubuntu uses PulseAudio
[07:51] <HollowPoint> the first one is Alsa
[07:51] <HollowPoint> join #ALSA and ask in there, no doubt someone will know
[07:51] <t1000> hi
[07:51] <HollowPoint> hi
[07:51] <digdeep> ic
[07:52] <max_> Hi, I reccently got a laptop and put Kubuntu on it. The nvidia in it supports resolution up to 2500xsomething but the highest i can set it in the nvidia settings is 1366x768. Does anyone know how i can use a larger resolution?
[07:52] <HollowPoint> are you sure you've got the right Nvidia driver installed?
[07:52] <HollowPoint> how big is your screen though, why would you want anything larger than 1366X768 on a laptop?
[07:53] <max_> Yes im sure its the right driver. The screen is 16" widescreen.
[07:53] <max_> And i want something bigger because im just use to it.
[07:53] <max_> I like really large resolutions, allows me to multitask better.
[07:53] <HollowPoint> so it's the Nvidia 183 driver?
[07:53] <max_> 137.
[07:53] <max_> 173*
[07:54] <HollowPoint> do you know the model of the carD?
[07:54] <max_> GeForce 8200M G
[07:54] <shanipribadi> what's the maximum resolution supported by the laptop monitor
[07:54] <max_> How can i find that out?
[07:55] <shanipribadi> emm.. im not sure..
[07:55] <shanipribadi> cos the resolution is also limited by the monitor
[07:56] <HollowPoint> you should be using http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_185.18.14.html
[07:56] <HollowPoint> that driver, so 173 is NOT the right driver
[07:56] <max_> Well its the one Kubuntu installed for me, so i just assumed it was.
[07:56] <HollowPoint> yeah, unfortunately it doesn't always install the BEST driver for EVERY NVidia card
[07:57] <HollowPoint> 185 is the one Nvidia recommends for that card on 32 bit linux
[07:57] <max_> Alright, ill try and install that.
[07:57] <HollowPoint> I suggest downloading it, reading the instructions very carefully and even printing them off before you start to try and install it though
[07:57] <HollowPoint> that is not as simple as point and click like the default ubuntu way
[07:57] <max_> Im comfortable in a terminal.
[07:58] <HollowPoint> comfortable with terminal if you fuck up your xorg.conf and can't get back to a GUI?
[07:58] <max_> Yes
[07:58] <max_> Ive done that.
[07:58] <max_> Several times.
[07:58] <HollowPoint> ok, sweet
[07:58] <HollowPoint> :D
[07:59] <HollowPoint> have to check in here, not everyone has
[07:59] <max_> Indeed.
[08:00] <max_> Well damn, i cant install it with x-server running,.
[08:00] <shanipribadi> anyway. i just googled.. and most 16 inch lcd monitor has resolution of 1366 x 768, just in case.
[08:03] <noaXess> good morning
[08:03] <noaXess> i need to remove kubuntu-desktop and all kde packages.. cause i use this system only over konsle/ssh.. no X needed..
[08:04] <noaXess> i think i can do that with sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop kde kde*
[08:04] <noaXess> or is there any other, better solution?
[08:05] <ziroday> noaXess: you need X for konsole
[08:06] <shanipribadi> i think he meant console.
[08:06] <shanipribadi> command line
[08:06] <shanipribadi> not the kde apps konsole
[08:08] <shanipribadi> well, if you want to save disk then uninstalling kde is the surest way. but if not, you should be able to disable gdm, though im not sure how
[08:11] <noaXess> ziroday: i don't start kdm if the system run's.. i mean commando line :)
[08:11] <noaXess> shanipribadi: jep ;)
[08:12] <cortex_sk> noaXess: try "sudo tasksel" and remove kubuntu desktop
[08:12] <noaXess> shanipribadi: how to disable gdm/kdm: sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[08:13] <noaXess> cortex_sk: aha.. ok..
[08:15] <rodrigo> hola
[08:20] <Assurbanipal> hi everyone, i am on kubuntu 9,04 64. after doing an update just now, konqueror is removed.when i try to re install it it says kdebase-data is needed,but not going to be installed. what the heck is hapening??plz help!
[08:20] <rodrigo> "que es esto?"
[08:21] <shanipribadi> update? try to check what is causing the conflict.. i use aptitude as my package manager
[08:21] <goshawk> Assurbanipal: did you go in karmic?
[08:22] <Assurbanipal> goshawk: i hope not!
[08:22] <Assurbanipal> how to check!?
[08:22] <max_> Who was just helping me with a graphics problem on a laptop?
[08:22] <Assurbanipal> but i just checked kde version and got me on 4.2.9!
[08:23] <shanipribadi> what.. 4.2.9?
[08:23] <shanipribadi> my jaunty is 4.2.2
[08:23] <Assurbanipal> yes!plz help me go back!
[08:23] <shanipribadi> hey max.. did it work? the upgrade?
[08:24] <shanipribadi> it could be that you accidentally allow experimental updates
[08:24] <Assurbanipal> shanipribadi: how i fix it?!?
[08:25] <goshawk> Assurbanipal: run lsb_release -a
[08:25] <max_> shanipribadi: No, it didnt. I had to remove my current nvidia driver for it to install. So i removed that, booted up, just got a terminal so i ran the sh script from there. The install went ok (i thought) it said it was successifully installed. But then after i rebooted i wasnt able to start x.
[08:25] <Assurbanipal> No LSB modules are available.
[08:25] <Assurbanipal> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[08:25] <Assurbanipal> Description:    Ubuntu 9.04
[08:25] <Assurbanipal> Release:        9.04
[08:25] <Assurbanipal> Codename:       jaunty
[08:26] <shanipribadi> max_: you cant even start x manually? hmm, try asking HollowPoint, im not very familiar with X setups
[08:27] <max_> shanipribadi: I tried starting x manually and it didnt work. I had to do a "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" just to get it to where it would boot up using w/e driver im on right now (versa i assume)
[08:27] <HollowPoint> you need to type /etc/init.d/kdm start
[08:27] <HollowPoint> as YOU, not root
[08:27] <max_> Oh darn.
[08:27] <max_> Lemme write that down and try again.
[08:27] <HollowPoint> max follow these steps mate ok>?
[08:28] <max_> Sure.
[08:28] <Assurbanipal> can someone help me guys?
[08:28] <shanipribadi> Assurbanipal: open system settings
[08:28] <HollowPoint> make sure you have build-essential and your kernel sources installed which changes from version to version
[08:28] <Assurbanipal> shanipribadi: ok
[08:28] <shanipribadi> Assurbanipal: then open Add and remove software
[08:28] <HollowPoint> download the driver from Nvidia (Done I know) then make it executable
[08:28] <max_> How do i make it exectuable?
[08:28] <HollowPoint> then drop to virtual terminal 4
[08:29] <Assurbanipal> shanipribadi: did it
[08:29] <shanipribadi> Assurbanipal: choose settings,and click edit sources
[08:29] <Carnage\> HollowPoint: You're sure that you can run /etc/init.d/kdm as ordinary user?!
[08:29] <shanipribadi> max: chmod +x
[08:29] <HollowPoint> to make executable go to a terminal and type "sudo chmod 777 /home/alex/nvidia-XXXX.tar
[08:29] <shanipribadi> Assurbanipal: check the updates tab
[08:29] <HollowPoint> or .bin infact lol
[08:29] <HollowPoint> yes Carnage, positive
[08:30] <HollowPoint> anyway, once it's executable you need to drop to virtual terminal 4
[08:30] <Assurbanipal> shanipribadi: and then what?
[08:30] <max_> HollowPoint: The file i downloaded from nvidia is a .run
[08:30] <HollowPoint> Alt + Ctrl F4 drops you to virtual terminal
[08:30] <HollowPoint> yeah I corrected myself later on max
[08:30] <HollowPoint> :D
[08:30] <max_> Oh, ok, lol.
[08:31] <HollowPoint> once you're in the virtual terminal you'll need to type "/etc/init.d/kdm stop"
[08:31] <shanipribadi> Assurbanipal: which ones are checked? mine only says Important security update, and recommended
[08:31] <HollowPoint> then "sh /home/alex/desktop/Nvidia-XXXX.bin"
[08:31] <Assurbanipal> prereleased and unsupported are checked too
[08:31] <HollowPoint> then follow the instructions, do not download anything from the web so select no to the first and ok to accept
[08:31] <HollowPoint> then if it all builds correctly you can start kdm again with "/etc/init.d/kdm start"
[08:31] <max_> HollowPoint: So make it executable BEFORE i go to the other virtual terminal?
[08:32] <HollowPoint> doesn't matter really, you can do it in the virtual terminal if you like
[08:32] <max_> Ok, im going to go do that now then, I'll report back in a few.
[08:32] <max_> Thanks alot for the help.
[08:32] <HollowPoint> so long as it's executable BEFORE you run the sh /home/alex/Nb..... etc
[08:32] <max_> Gotcha.
[08:32] <shanipribadi> Assurbanipal: that's the culprit, those ones makes you update to karmic if im not mistaken, disable those two.
[08:32] <Assurbanipal> shanipribadi: ok,not what
[08:34] <shanipribadi> Assurbanipal: now you need to update the source list, (from console is sudo apt-get update) and revert the packages to a save version
[08:34] <shanipribadi> Assurbanipal: i think you have to do it manually, but im not sure, use a package manager for it.
[08:34] <Assurbanipal> shanipribadi: ok done that,how i get back to kde 4.2.4?
[08:36] <max_> HollowPoint: i made it executable, but when i tried to run /etc/init.d/kdm stop it said "no such file or directory"
[08:36] <HollowPoint> erm
[08:36] <HollowPoint> that's interesting
[08:36] <HollowPoint> you on Jaunty?
[08:36] <max_> Yes i am.
[08:37] <shanipribadi> hmm, max, when you remove nvidia driver, di it remove anything else?
[08:37] <max_> But, i am using kde3
[08:37] <HollowPoint> and you typed EXACTLY "/etc/init.d/kdm stop" ?
[08:37] <max_> Yes
[08:37] <Assurbanipal> shanipribadi: ??how do i remove 4.2.9 (kde 4.3beta) and get back to kde 4.2.4?
[08:37] <HollowPoint> shouldn't make a difference max, if you bring up a console now and type ls /etc/init.d/ what do you get?
[08:38] <max_> "bash: /etc/init.d/: is a directory"
[08:38] <shanipribadi> Assurbanipal: you have to downgrade the packages that are kde4.3 beta, which package manager are you using?
[08:38] <Assurbanipal> i have synaptic
[08:38] <Assurbanipal> shanipribadi: i have synaptic
[08:39] <shanipribadi> Assurbanipal: hmm, im not really sure, but there should be a choice to enforce older version
[08:39] <shanipribadi> check in the toolbar
[08:39] <shanipribadi> anyone here knows how to downgrade packages with synaptic?
[08:40] <shanipribadi> max_: you sure you type ls /etc/init.d/ ??
[08:40] <Assurbanipal> is it in package->force version option ??
[08:41] <max_> yes, i even retyped it several times to make sure
[08:41] <Assurbanipal> and there choose kde 4,2?
[08:41] <shanipribadi> hmm, maybe it is..
[08:41] <Assurbanipal> i ll try it
[08:43] <shanipribadi> Assurbanipal: ok, im not sure which packages that you need to downgrade, it depends on what you accidentally over-upgraded before
[08:43] <eagles0513875> hey guys i have a command that keeps giving me > instead of a prompt even after issuing the command on a single line
[08:43] <shanipribadi> max_: trying cd /etc/init.d then do ls there
[08:43] <eagles0513875> any ideas as to why
[08:44] <max_> HollowPoint: when im in ttyl4 i can go that folder, and if i just tell it "kdm" it says "the program 'kdm' is not currently installed"
[08:44] <shanipribadi> eagles: there's an open quote
[08:44] <HollowPoint> oh dear max
[08:44] <max_> Ah, since i am using kde3 its kdm-kde3
[08:45] <HollowPoint> ah right
[08:45] <max_> So ill go back and try it like that,
[08:45] <HollowPoint> because you've downgraded to kde3
[08:45] <HollowPoint> that'll work then
[08:45] <max_> Lol, downgraded.
[08:45] <max_> Ok, im going to try that and ill report back in here (hopefully saying it worked)
[08:45] <max_> Thanks for all the help so far
[08:46] <shanipribadi> good luck there
[08:46] <noaXess> cortex_sk: sudo tasksel just removed the metapackage kubuntu-dekstop
[08:48] <shanipribadi> noaXess: you might have to remove the packages manually, try removing kdebase-bin
[08:49] <noaXess> shanipribadi: but that wouldn't remove all kde packages..
[08:50] <Assurbanipal> someone plz help me out of this!
[08:50] <shanipribadi> noaXess: kdebase-bin, kdebase-runtime, and check whatever left manually
[08:51] <shanipribadi> Assurbanipal: it didnt worked?
[08:51] <noaXess> shanipribadi: ok.. this packages are allready uninstalled with tasksel.. right..
[08:51] <Assurbanipal> shanipribadi: no it doesnt work!tell me which package managet to use and i will switch to it,so u know the way to tell me how to downgrade
[08:53] <shanipribadi> Assurbanipal: i use aptitude from the command line, there you only need to choose an older version to install, and it will automatically remove the newer version
[08:54] <shanipribadi> Assurbanipal: but it's a bit of a hassle to search for packages.
[08:54] <Assurbanipal> shanipribadi: ok,can u guide me thrpugh plz!
[08:55] <noaXess> shanipribadi: hm.. there are a ot of kde packages left on system
[08:55] <shanipribadi> Assurbanipal: I'll try..
[08:55] <shanipribadi> noaXess: that means there are a lot of checkmarks to filled :-p, i dont think there's a metapackage to uninstall everything..
[08:56] <shanipribadi> Assurbanipal: so have you run aptitude?
[08:56] <Assurbanipal> shanipribadi: yes
[08:56] <shanipribadi> Assurbanipal: to access the toolbar press ctrl-t
[08:57] <Assurbanipal> ok
[08:57] <Assurbanipal> now?
[08:57] <max_> HollowPoint: No go, again. X wouldnt start,
[08:57] <shanipribadi> Assurbanipal: search for the package you wish to downgrade by pressing / (slash) or from the toolbar
[08:58] <Assurbanipal> which package will that be?
[08:58] <HollowPoint> did you type /etc/init.d/kdm start or /etc/init.d/kdm-kde3 start ?
[08:58] <shanipribadi> Assurbanipal: hmm, try searching for konqueror package, then press + (plus) to install it
[08:59] <max_> kdm-kde3
[08:59] <shanipribadi> Assurbanipal: is there any conflict? if it is, then press e to examine
[09:00] <Assurbanipal> but i must downgrade
[09:01] <max_> i made it executable, then did "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm-kde3 stop" did "sudo sh filename" went though everything there, told it not to download anything, told it to replace xorg. it said it was successful, then i did "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm-kde3 start"
[09:01] <noaXess> look at this.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/192284/
[09:01] <shanipribadi> Assurbanipal: you wanted to install konqueror right? i think aptitude will show you which packages are giving you problem, then you can downgrade those packages
[09:01] <noaXess> just uninstalled all kde packages.. but kio-umountwrapper can't be removed..
[09:02] <shanipribadi> anyway, i have to go afk for a while.. 2 or 3 minutes..
[09:02] <noaXess> any tip
[09:07] <shanipribadi> Assurbanipal: so ... is there any packages that is said to be conflicting?
[09:14] <shanipribadi> noaXess: i dont have any package called kio-umountwrapper, where did you get it?
[09:14] <noaXess> shanipribadi: don't know it, it's should be a part of kde/dolphin..
[09:15] <shanipribadi> noaXess: there are some bugs regarding cannot uninstalling kio-umountwrapper, try googling it
[09:16] <noaXess> shanipribadi: ok.. will try that
[09:17] <shanipribadi> anyway here's a guide to remove kubuntu http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[09:17] <Guest48290> free proxy that work ???
[09:18] <Guest48290> dear all, free proxy that's work
[09:19] <shanipribadi> try googling
[09:20] <shanipribadi> there's too many to list here
[09:24] <Guest48290> just one that works for example
[09:25] <chris__> hi
[09:25] <ChrisBuchholz> Hi, i switched from ubuntu to kubuntu 9.04 yesterday, and will be running kde for the next month, to try it out
[09:25] <ChrisBuchholz> there's some things nagging me though, already - i've always heard that kde had build-in global menu, like that on mac and the Gnome GlobalMenu? I can't find it anywhere
[09:26] <chris__> hi
[09:26] <shanipribadi> 200.174.85.193
[09:26] <chris__> i didn't get the the update was kde 4.3 beta. is there a way to downgrade again?
[09:27] <shanipribadi> there was a kde 4.3 update?
[09:27] <ChrisBuchholz> And i can't find anything that indicates support for ical calendars and google contacts, like i know it from evolutions
[09:28] <chris__> ChrisBuchholz: kontact does not have ical support. at least for now. it is planned though. maybe it's in kde 4.3? if you want to use ical google "gcaldaemon"
[09:28] <shanipribadi> chris_: i think you have to downgrade every packages manually.
[09:29] <ChrisBuchholz> okay, i'll try gcaldaemon
[09:29] <chris__> shanipribadi: yes, and it deinstalled konqueror!
[09:29] <chris__> why is the beta in ppa anyway?
[09:29] <shanipribadi> chris_: someone just came here, like 30 minutes ago with the same problem. hehe.. I did not know if he manages to fix it.
[09:29] <ChrisBuchholz> chris__: it says no package called gcaldaemon
[09:30] <chris__> ChrisBuchholz: you have to google it
[09:30] <ChrisBuchholz> oh, ah
[09:30] <chris__> or google using google calendar with kontact
[09:32] <ipavkovic> hi
[09:33] <shanipribadi> hi
[09:34] <ipavkovic> using "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main"  I get a dependency problem: "kdegraphics: Depends: okular (>= 4:4.2.90-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1) but 4:4.2.4-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1 is installed". Has anyone an idea how to solve this?
[09:35] <chris__> ipavkovic: read the topic of this channel
[09:35] <chris__> this really pisses me off
[09:36] <ipavkovic> I already read the topic
[09:36] <ipavkovic> perhaps you can point me to which of the statements you refer?
[09:36] <shanipribadi> kde 4.3 still has dependency problem
[09:36] <chris__> they could have warned us that they are going to put beta packages in ppa.
[09:36] <chris__> "Do not install KDE 4.3 beta unless you are an experienced user, there still are dependency issues"
[09:36] <shanipribadi> i thought that was the point of having a ppa, for testing of beta packages?
[09:37] <shanipribadi> anyway, does everyone have the ppa on by default?
[09:37] <chris__> there is a kubuntu-experimental ppa. what's the point of this then?
[09:37] <shanipribadi> oh.. i c..
[09:37] <ipavkovic> I wanted to install 4.2.4 update and not 4.3 beta
[09:38] <chris__> i deliberately switched this off cause i need a production-ready system. argh
[09:38] <ChrisBuchholz> what about the globalmenu? I can't find it anywhere
[09:39] <chris__> ipavkovic: use the adept replacement updater (dunno its name). it blocks the beta packages
[09:39] <shanipribadi> well, i never turn on the ppa updates, cos i have problems in the past with experimental updates there
[09:39] <chris__> do not use synaptic. cause it doesn't
[09:39] <shanipribadi> Kpackagekit
[09:39] <tsimpson> ipavkovic: you must have the experimental PPA, kdegraphics depends on okular (>= 4:4.2.4-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1)
[09:40] <chris__> great. imap is broken as well
[09:40] <shanipribadi> synaptic doesn;t? how come? i thought the sources.list are for every packagemanager
[09:40] <shanipribadi> ChrisBuchholz: what's a globalmenu?
[09:40] <ChrisBuchholz> you know the menubar - having that a globalplace like on macs or the gnome extension GNOME GlobalMenu
[09:41] <Pconfig> chris__: you have the blocked updates issue aswell?
[09:41] <ipavkovic> chris_ : thanks for the advice. I am using apt directly as I had problems with synaptics and kpackagekit in the past
[09:41] <chris__> btw. kpackagekit is buggy. doesn't let me commit any changes. says i do not have enough privileges
[09:41] <ChrisBuchholz> http://abz89.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/a.png like that, where you have the menubar on the top panel
[09:43] <chris__> ChrisBuchholz: unfortunately, kde 4 is not as flexible in this regard as kde 3 used to be (not matter what they say). but you can set up a top panel
[09:43] <chris__> Pconfig: yes, and i made the mistake to install them. do not install them unless you want to beta test
[09:43] <ChrisBuchholz> chris__: a top panel wont do anything since i need to get the menubar from somewhere
[09:44] <Pconfig> chris__: i have my own svn build for testing :| i don't understand why they put these updates in this PPA
[09:44] <shanipribadi> you can do that? that's cool, i don't know that though for kde4
[09:45] <chris__> oh, that one. well try kde apps. maybe there is a plasmoid for this
[09:45] <NicoFr38> after having installed the 4.3 beta (the mistake of the day :p) is there a way to switch back to 4.2.4 ?
[09:45] <chris__> Pconfig: exactly. thanks
[09:45] <ipavkovic> tsimpson: I see, it seems that I already got some experimental packages. I will downgrade them
[09:45] <chris__> NicoFr38: same problem here
[09:46] <shanipribadi> there's a lot then
[09:46] <chris__> again, why do we have an experimental ppa?
[09:46] <NicoFr38> I gess lots of ppl will have the same :)
[09:46] <tsimpson> chris__: because people want it
[09:47] <chris__> tsimpson: and why don't they put beta packages in there then?
[09:47] <Pconfig> tsimpson: then let them use the experimental PPA for experimental stuff?
[09:47] <shanipribadi> guys. i checked the launchpad page.. and kde4.3beta is on ppa experimental.
[09:47] <tsimpson> Pconfig: the 4.3 packages are experimental
[09:47] <shanipribadi> the normal kubuntu ppa, is only 4.2.4
[09:47] <Pconfig> huh
[09:47] <tsimpson> chris__: they do
[09:48] <chris__> i see
[09:48] <Pconfig> well, for some reason they pop up in my update manager and i DON'T have kubuntu-experimental in my sources.list
[09:49] <chris__> me too
[09:49] <tsimpson> Pconfig: it's deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/experimental/ubuntu
[09:49] <chris__> i have nothing against beta testing. but on a pc of my choice.
[09:49] <chris__> tsimpson: that's not the point. the beta packages are in the stable ppa
[09:50] <tsimpson> it's not in the normal http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu repo
[09:50] <Pconfig> i only have these two lines
[09:50] <Pconfig> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main
[09:50] <Pconfig> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main
[09:50] <tsimpson> chris__: I have the normal repo, and don't have any 4.3 packages
[09:50] <Pconfig> have you done apt-get update today?
[09:50] <chris__> well, Pconfig and I do
[09:50] <tsimpson> "Backports of new versions of KDE for Kubuntu which are not yet tested enough to go to Ubuntu Backports."
[09:51] <Pconfig> tsimpson: i see, so they come from the backports one
[09:52] <Pconfig> tsimpson: so there's now way to have amarok 2.1 + kde 4.2.4?
[09:52] <tsimpson> seems so: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports
[09:52] <shanipribadi> yup..backports got 4.3beta
[09:52] <shanipribadi> it's really weird..
[09:52] <chris__> why?
[09:52] <chris__> it's a beta, not a 'beta backport'
[09:52] <tsimpson> Pconfig: probably with the neon packages
[09:53] <chris__> the neon packages do not inferfere with the rest of the system
[09:53] <tsimpson> probably because they are planned to go into jaunty-backports
[09:53] <tsimpson> still, not sure if it should be there
[09:54] <Pconfig> my feeling tells me they shouldn't put it there until kde 4.3 is released as stable
[09:54] <chris__> my feeling is sb messed up. could have been me :-)
[09:55] <chris__> kde 4.3 is not coming out until late july
[09:55] <NicoFr38> anyway, is there a way to find which packages are in 4.3 installed on the systeme ?
[09:56] <shanipribadi> with synaptic you can do a search on version right?
[09:56] <tsimpson> NicoFr38: one way is: dpkg -l | grep '4:4.2.90'
[09:56] <chris__> those with 4.2.90
[09:56] <shanipribadi> that
[09:56] <shanipribadi> that's an easier one..
[09:56] <Pconfig> glad i didn't press the install all updates button :p
[09:57] <chris__> that hurt
[09:57] <shanipribadi> is there any way to find out our install history.
[09:58] <ComradeHaz> shanipribadi: with aptitiude?
[09:58] <NicoFr38> tks tsimpson
[09:58] <chris__> apt is such an advanced system. why isn't there a downgrade to last version option?
[09:58] <shanipribadi> ComradeHaz: yes, aptitude?
[09:58] <ComradeHaz> sure, less /var/log/aptitude
[10:00] <shanipribadi> ComradeHaz: if i install packages with dpkg i or apt-get install then i should look the log in /var/log/dpkg.log?
[10:01] <chris__> ok. i did this
[10:01] <ComradeHaz> wellk, yes. Although I think you'll find aptitude get dpkg to do stuff for it too. So you'll find your dpkg logs are vast and pretty dense.
[10:02] <chris__> i went to /var/cache/apt/archives and did 'sudpo dpkg -i --force-all *jaunty1~ppa2_i386.deb'
[10:02] <ComradeHaz> dunno about apt-get, as far as I'm concerned it's just about obsolete
[10:04] <ct529> strange question .... I "ssh -X" into a server .... when I am there I try to "sudo ODBCConfig" .... when I do that the system returns an error because it says it cannot set the display .... is that normal? is there any special kubuntu setting that does not allow you to do so?
[10:04] <ChrisBuchholz> also, the UI font(not the render of webpages) in firefox are really big - much bigger than all the other text in other apps. Is there a fix for this?
[10:06] <Pconfig> ct529: does anything start when you're connected throug X?
[10:08] <ct529> Pconfig: what do you mean? I can sudo normally, and can run any application including GUIs as normal user
[10:09] <Pconfig> ct529: that's what i meant, no idea then, never tried it, sorry
[10:09] <chris__> ok it should be 'sudo dpkg -i --force-all *4.2.4-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa2_i386.deb'
[10:09] <ct529> Pconfig: thanks in any case for trying :)
[10:11] <Pconfig> ct529, does gksu work instead of sudo?
[10:13] <ct529> Pconfig: I will try!
[10:13] <contrast> Greets, everyone...
[10:13] <ct529> Pconfig: but need to install it
[10:13] <Pconfig> yes
[10:13] <contrast> Anyone using the KDE 4.3 beta 2 packages from the kubuntu-ppa/backports repo?
[10:14] <Pconfig> contrast: some people that din't really want to use it i guess ;)
[10:17] <intreq> Hay guys
[10:18] <chris__> i told synaptics to force version 4.2.4 and it upgraded everything to 4.2.90. what the f***?
[10:20] <contrast> chris__: do you have the kubuntu backports ppa enabled?
[10:21] <aspire> ola alguien ke me pueda ayudar para entrar por telnet a una makina
[10:22] <chris__> contrast: yes
[10:22] <contrast> chris__: does 4.2.90 seem to be working ok? i was wondering if i should try upgrading to it.
[10:22] <Pconfig> !es | aspira
[10:22] <chris__> contrast: don't
[10:22] <chris__> it deinstalls konqueror
[10:22] <chris__> for example
[10:22] <chris__> and imap is also broken
[10:22] <hoopsy> !compiz
[10:24] <contrast> chris__: disable that repo, reload, then in Synaptic, go to Origin -> Local/main and Local/universe, sort by Installed Version, select all the 4.2.90 packages and Force version 4.2.4
[10:24] <contrast> Konqueror I could do without, but imap's a must. Thanks for the info.
[10:26] <ipavkovic> ok, recovered from 4.3beta packages leaking from backport ppa
[10:26] <ipavkovic> thanks for your hints
[10:29] <chris__> contrast: it's not working. synaptic only chooses two packages to downgrade
[10:29] <chris__> ipavkovic: how did you do it?
[10:29] <shanipribadi> !kpackagekit
[10:30] <Wikie> I'm having problems playing MP3 files with Amarok. It simply complains "Too many errors encountered in playlist. Playback stopped.".
[10:31] <Wikie> Looked around the web, libxine1-ffmpeg is installed, phonon-backend-xine is.
[10:31] <Space_Man> clean your playlist
[10:31] <Wikie> did
[10:31] <Wikie> won't play any mp3 file
[10:31] <_nkvorn> hey guys I have kubuntu 9.04 and I m having sound problems. it seems I can't have 2 applications use the sound system at the same time
[10:31] <_nkvorn> any ideas?
[10:32] <Wikie> _nkvorn: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting#Getting%20more%20than%20one%20application%20to%20use%20the%20soundcard%20at%20the%20same%20time
[10:33] <Wikie> Kinda outdated though.
[10:34] <_nkvorn> Wikie: i tried aoss but still i cant have a second application use sound :(
[10:34] <Wikie> hmm
[10:34] <Pconfig> _nkvorn: is one of the applications amarok?
[10:35] <_nkvorn> no
[10:35] <_nkvorn> from aoos vls
[10:35] <ipavkovic> chris_: mostly manual work, I used your suggestion to install most of the 4.2.4 packages
[10:35] <_nkvorn> oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp)
[10:35] <_nkvorn> vlc*
[10:35] <contrast> Isn't PulseAudio supposed to allow more than one program to use the soundcard at once?
[10:36] <ipavkovic> I checked with "dpkg -l | grep ii | grep 4.2.90 | cut -d" " -f3
[10:36] <Pconfig> _nkvorn: try going to sysmte settings ==> multimedia and put your soundcard and pulseaudio above OSS
[10:36] <ipavkovic> which packages I have to check
[10:36] <ipavkovic> with apt-cache showpkg <name> I saw the corresponding 4.2.4 packages if where are any
[10:36] <ipavkovic> if no I removed the package
[10:37] <ipavkovic> chris_: as you mentioned at the beginning: 4.3 beta packages are for experienced users :)
[10:38] <contrast> _nkvorn: if you get that working, please let me know. i've been trying to have my music player playing while still having the sound from games for ages.
[10:38] <_nkvorn> Pconfig: sound card is first, pulseAudio second. nothing else is shown
[10:39] <Pconfig> _nkvorn: what backends are listed in the backends tab?
[10:39] <sancho21> How to add samba shared printer into my KDE4?
[10:40] <sancho21> I've checked "show printers shared by other systems".
[10:40] <_nkvorn> Pconfig: xine only
[10:40] <sancho21> But, how to prove it works?
[10:41] <shadeslayer> sancho21: try printing a test page?
[10:41] <chris__> ipavkovic: so you still have some 4.2.90 packages?
[10:41] <Pconfig> _nkvorn: no idea then, sorry
[10:41] <sancho21> No, I've add it yet. I see no printer in smb://theothercomputerwithprinter
[10:41] <shadeslayer> ipavkovic: hey...you have jde 4.3 beta 2?
[10:41] <shadeslayer> *kde
[10:41] <sancho21> I havent't add the printer yet
[10:41] <shadeslayer> i got upgraded too....by mistake :P
[10:41] <sancho21> I don't know the printer's name
[10:41] <ipavkovic> chris_: no, not anymore. I restored 4.2.4 packages if the exist and threw away 4.2.90 packages if there were no 4.2.4 replacement
[10:42] <shadeslayer> ipavkovic: could you tell me how to do that??
[10:42] <shanipribadi> [16:36:10] <ipavkovic> I checked with "dpkg -l | grep ii | grep 4.2.90 | cut -d" " -f3
[10:42] <chris__> ipavkovic: i got the throwing away part. but how did you restore them. synaptic refuses to mark all packages for downgrading
[10:43] <ipavkovic> shadeslaye: no but the backports ppa has some 4.3 beta packages
[10:43] <ipavkovic> chris_: I went to /var/lib/apt/archives
[10:44] <shadeslayer> shanipribadi: http://pastebin.com/f6c6c80f6
[10:45] <ipavkovic> if I saw a package with 'dpkg -l | grep ii | grep 4.2.90 | cut -d" " -f3' I looked up the the package with 'ls <packagename>*4.2.4*'. if it exists I called "sudo dpkg -i --force-all <packagefilename_for_4.2.4>'
[10:45] <ipavkovic> chris_: as I said, some manual work. Perhaps some wise guy can provide a magic shell command that automates that process
[10:46] <chris__> ipavkovic: i did a full dpkg -i *4.2.4 --force-downgrade (and also force-all), but apparently i'm missing some packages
[10:46] <shanipribadi> shadeslayer: those are the packages that are version 4.2.90, you can use a package manager to force downgade it.
[10:46] <shadeslayer> shanipribadi: im getting more updates atm...should i stall them?
[10:47] <shadeslayer> ipavkovic: sorry for bothering you,but could you tell me why you are downgrading?
[10:47] <shadeslayer> *are you
[10:47] <shanipribadi> shadeslayer: depends on what are they, i myself did not have the kubuntu ppa.
[10:47] <ipavkovic> chris_: the approach with dpkg -i --force-all only works if you already downloaded the 4.2.4 files. you can try sudo apt-get install -f package=version for installing 4.2.4 packages
[10:48] <ipavkovic> shadeslaye: because I want a working computer :)
[10:48] <contrast> chris__: i just upgraded to 4.2.90 in a virtual machine. it looks like the 4.2.4 packages that got removed were kdebase-bin and kdebase-data. You might try installing those.
[10:48] <shanipribadi> dpkg -l | grep ii | grep 4.2.90
[10:49] <shadeslayer> ipavkovic: well,did you experience a crash?/ because i got one with kbuildsyscoca
[10:49] <shadeslayer> shanipribadi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/192400/
[10:49] <mkargar> hello!
[10:49] <shadeslayer> mkargar: hi !
[10:49] <ipavkovic> shadeslaye: no, but I don't like to work on beta systems in a production environment. Thats all
[10:50] <shadeslayer> ipavkovic: ah...
[10:50] <sandhya> !lvm
[10:50] <shanipribadi> shadeslayer: hmm, are those package 4.2.90?
[10:50] <shadeslayer> ipavkovic: thanks for the info :)
[10:50] <shadeslayer> shanipribadi: no idea
[10:50] <mkargar> how to input user and pass fro ADSL connection in the KanetworkManager(Plasmoid applet!)
[10:50] <mkargar> *?
[10:51] <shadeslayer> shanipribadi: i think so....such a major upgrade could only be caused by beta 2
[10:51] <shanipribadi> shadeslayer: maybe you should hold on upgrading then, there are quite some people regretted upgrading to 4.3beta
[10:51] <Pconfig> mkarger: Right click it, manage connections?
[10:51] <shanipribadi> *regretting
[10:52] <shadeslayer> shanipribadi: heh...ive been regretting it since the day i heard kde 4.3 :(
[10:52] <shanipribadi> shadeslayer: hehe..
[10:52] <Pconfig> actually my kde 4.3 runs like a charm on my svn build
[10:52] <shadeslayer> Pconfig: so can you help me? :P
[10:53] <Pconfig> shadeslayer: depends, i didn't follow your problem :D
[10:53] <Pconfig> i didn't try the ubuntu packages though
[10:54] <shanipribadi> shadeslayer: the ubuntu kde4.3beta packages were said to have incomplete dependencies
[10:54] <ikonia> shadeslayer: you where warned about using the beta stuff before hand
[10:54] <shanipribadi> shadeslayer: and someone said that installing it removed konqueror. so i guess the ubuntu ppa packages broke some things
[10:55] <shanipribadi> Pconfig: did you compile kde4.3 by yourself? is it faster than 4.2?
[10:57] <Pconfig> shanipribadi: i wouldn't really say faster but then again kde 4.2 feels fast for me actually, the system tray is way better though, the air theme looks very nice and the new folder view plasmoid is cool, not to mention the weather wallpaper :p
[10:57] <mkargar> Pconfig:I checked!no place for input User and Pass!!!
[10:58] <Pconfig> shanipribadi: it uses less memory though. I read it was on par with KDE3 again somewhere
[10:58] <mkargar> Pconfig:DSL tab disabled!!!how to enable it?
[10:58] <ipavkovic> bye
[10:59] <shanipribadi> Pconfig: wow, my kde4.2 feels sluggish on scrolling. I'd like to upgrade to 4.3, but am too lazy to compile the source, i guess i'll just have to be patient
[10:59] <Pconfig> mkargar: never added a DSL connection myself but i would've thought that tab would be enabled ;)
[11:00] <mkargar> Pconfig:it's enabled?!!
[11:00] <mkargar> Pconfig:how to enable it?!
[11:02] <Pconfig> shanipribadi: a quick google tells me you're not the only one, might want to search a bit on that
[11:02] <Pconfig> mkargar: i don't know
[11:02] <Pconfig> need to go now, bye
[11:02] <mkargar> Pconfig:ohhh!
[11:02] <shanipribadi> mkargar: youre having a problem with dsl?
[11:03] <mkargar> Pconfig:your DSL tab enabled?
[11:03] <sancho21> Ok. my KDE4 has managed to detect printers on network automatically. But, as I print a page, I got this message (pop ups without ending). Printer x may not be connected
[11:04] <mkargar> shanipribad:I want inputing User and Pass for DSL Connection in the KnetworkManagement(Plasmoid Aplet)!but,not place for input it's?!!
[11:04] <mkargar> shanipribad:DSL tab disabled,soo!!!
[11:05] <shadeslayer> Pconfig: you there??
[11:05] <shanipribadi> mkargar: mine too, it's disabled. Your modem cannot dial itself?
 mkargar: mine too, it's disabled. Your modem cannot dial itself?
[11:06] <mkargar> shanipribad:excuse me!!
[11:06] <shanipribadi> mkargar: is there a web interface for your dsl modem?
[11:06] <shadeslayer> Pconfig: ping?
[11:06] <shanipribadi> mkargar: what i meant is that, if your modem have a web interface then it's easier to set up PPPoE on its web interface
[11:07] <shadeslayer> mkargar: usually at 192.168.1.1 :)
[11:07] <mkargar> shanipribad:no no!i want input my ADSL user and pass!no plave for it on the knetwork!
[11:08] <shadeslayer> what i dont understand is how come these packages got introduced in a repo,which is not supposed to give these updates
[11:08] <shanipribadi> it's on kubuntu backports they say
[11:08] <shadeslayer> ah...that explains it :)
[11:09] <shanipribadi> weird though, how come everyone have kubuntu ppa, and ive only read about it now
[11:09] <mkargar> shanipribad:i ckecking it: 192.168.1.1
[11:09] <shadeslayer> ok,geronimo then!!!
[11:09] <mkargar> shanipribad:but,how to input user and pass in the knetwork?
[11:10] <shadeslayer> mkargar: imho its better to let the modem dial :)
[11:11] <shadeslayer> shanipribadi: i just checked the kubuntu.org site...it is in the backports :)
[11:11] <sancho21> Ok. my KDE4 has managed to detect printers on network automatically. But, as I print a page, I got this message (pop ups without ending). Printer x may not be connected
[11:11] <mkargar> shadeslayer:what's imho?
[11:12] <shadeslayer> mkargar: in my humble opinion
[11:12] <shanipribadi> mkargar: if there is a web interface then there should be an option to set up the modem. Internet Connection or something
[11:12] <shadeslayer> sancho21: so is the printer connected?
[11:12] <sancho21> Yes, it is
[11:12] <shadeslayer> sancho21: no idea then :P
[11:12] <sancho21> The windows can do printing and also my hardy
[11:13] <shanipribadi> mkargar: the plasma-network-manager cannot yet be used for pppoe, so if you want to dial from to computer then you'll have to use wicd
[11:13] <shadeslayer> !printer | sancho21
[11:13] <sancho21> I use jaunty now
[11:13] <shadeslayer> sancho21: did you see that?
[11:13] <vistakiller> one more time problem with the launchpad repositories
[11:13] <shadeslayer> vistakiller: shoot!
[11:13] <vistakiller> they have depencies problems
[11:13] <shadeslayer> vistakiller: which one?
[11:13] <vistakiller> wait to paste it..
[11:14] <mkargar> shadeslayer:ok!WICD or imho?
[11:14] <w-heat> argh - can someone help please? I installed kde 4.2 from backports about a week ago. Today's updates came through and have scuppered my system. Grey checkerboard background, apps reporting "unable to load kio_http"
[11:14] <chris__> vistakiller: it's the backports repo
[11:14] <vistakiller> yes
[11:14] <shadeslayer> w-heat: read the topic :)
[11:14] <mkargar> shadeslayer:both is web interface?
[11:14] <shanipribadi> mkargar:wicd is a a replacement for plasma-network-manager
[11:14] <shanipribadi> mkargar: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3104329.0 here's a tutorial
[11:14] <vistakiller> they want to remove konqueror etc..
[11:14] <w-heat> shadeslayer: oh, whoops, forgot to remove backports didn't I?
[11:15] <chris__> w-heat: disbale backports. enable ppa for 4.2.4 and then downgrade manualle
[11:15] <shadeslayer> mkargar: -_- ... i said its better to let the modem dial
[11:15] <chris__> y
[11:15] <shanipribadi> mkargar: imho is an acronym for in my humble opinion
[11:15] <shanipribadi> mkargar: does your modem have a web interface, when you opn 192.168.1.1 is there a web page asking for password?
[11:15] <shanipribadi> mkargar: if it does, then usually it can be set up to dial automatically.
[11:16] <shanipribadi> mkargar: what is your modem?
[11:16] <mkargar> shanipribadi:imy modem is FiberHome!
[11:16] <shadeslayer> +type :)
[11:17] <shanipribadi> :mkargar fiberhome type?
[11:17] <mkargar> shanipribadi:it's supported?
[11:17] <shadeslayer> mkargar: model no. etc
[11:17] <w-heat> I've disabled backports, is this the right ppa for 4.2.4? http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu
[11:17] <shadeslayer> w-heat: yep
[11:18] <mkargar> shanipribadi:my ADSL modem is FiberHome AN1020-01T!
[11:18] <shanipribadi> mkargar: ok, ill google it first.. wait..
[11:18] <mkargar> shanipribad:very thx!
[11:18] <w-heat> shadeslayer: ty. do you know if there is a single package that a --reinstall will do, or do I have to trawl through apt logs and find which packages to reinstall?
[11:19] <shadeslayer> w-heat: short method : sudo apt-get --purge remove kubuntu-desktop;sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:19] <w-heat> shadeslayer: that sounds great - thank you. Will my settings be preserved?
[11:19]  * w-heat backs up .kde
[11:20] <shadeslayer> w-heat: nope :(
[11:20] <shadeslayer> w-heat: not a good idea since kde 4.3 might have a different way of storing things
[11:21] <w-heat> shadeslayer: oh damn. Well, the only things I really want to keep are my custom Autostart scripts, so I'll backup those
[11:21] <shadeslayer> w-heat: oh those are fine then
[11:21] <w-heat> other apps, like kdewallet, konversation etc. shouldn't be affected though, right?
[11:22] <w-heat> just kde core...
[11:22] <shadeslayer> w-heat: no idea dude
[11:22] <w-heat> shadeslayer: thanks for your help :)
[11:22] <shadeslayer> w-heat: no problems :)
[11:22] <shanipribadi> mkargar: your modem have a web interface. so open 192.168.1.1 in a web browser
[11:23] <mkargar> shanipribad:ok!i checking and go back!ok!
[11:23] <Intreq101>  Hi , is there any penetration testers here?
[11:23] <Intreq101> i have a few questions
[11:23] <shanipribadi> mkargar: do you have the manual? you will be asked user and password for the modem (not your dsl) so input the default password, it's in the manual, or somewhere on the modem (sticker)
[11:24] <mkargar> shanipribadi:no manual!!!
[11:25] <shadeslayer> mkargar: its login : administrator , password : password :)
[11:25] <shadeslayer> by default for most modems
[11:25] <shanipribadi> mkargar: check on the underside of the modem, usually they put a sticker for the default user pass
[11:26] <shanipribadi> shadeslayer: not really, Mine is admin:admin, theres another one with admin: (no pass)
[11:26] <shadeslayer> hehe
[11:26] <shanipribadi> mkargar: of course you could always tried those combinations
[11:26] <shadeslayer> mkargar: try the ones listed above
[11:26] <mkargar> shadeslayer:very thx my friend!i checking it...!go back!
[11:27] <sancho21> I got no clue about it
[11:28] <shanipribadi> about what?
[11:28] <sancho21> about my printer
[11:29] <sancho21> in KDE4 why I got Printer 'xxx' may not be connected
[11:29] <shadeslayer> sancho21: did you see the link ubottu provided?
[11:29] <sancho21> I did
[11:29] <shanipribadi> im sorry i cant help you, samba is not working for me, (though share between my windows computer is not working too, so who knows who's to blame)
[11:29] <shadeslayer> sancho21: unfourtunately i have no experience with this....
[11:30]  * shadeslayer has *never* tried samba
[11:30] <sancho21> This is strange. I have no problem with my KDE3.5
[11:30]  * shanipribadi wish windows is plugnplay like my ubuntu
[11:31] <sancho21> They can live in harmony
[11:31] <shadeslayer> sancho21: try #samba :)
[11:31] <shadeslayer> shanipribadi: thats why windows is windoze :)
[11:31] <shanipribadi> :-)
[11:31] <shadeslayer> you doze off while trying to install drivers :
[11:31] <shadeslayer> *:P
[11:34] <sancho21> Okey, Now I'll be honest. I just forgot that the printer's host is not a windows OS but Kubuntu 3.5 hardy which has been serving many OS (Windowss and Ubuntus) but Kubuntu Jaunty. This is why I assume that this is Kubuntu Jaunty's fault
[11:34] <shadeslayer> sancho21: hehe
[11:38] <shanipribadi> one question bout samba, where would you need a samba server?
[11:40] <shadeslayer> shanipribadi: !samba in ubottu  ;)
[11:42] <shanipribadi> !samba
[11:42] <shanipribadi> that's handy
[11:42] <shanipribadi> gtg.. there's thunderstorm
[11:43] <shanipribadi> i need to plug off the cables..
[11:43] <shadeslayer> shanipribadi: where do you live??
[11:43] <shanipribadi> Indonesia
[11:43] <shanipribadi> Byebye..
[11:43] <shadeslayer> shanipribadi: bye
[11:44] <martin__> shadeslayer: hi, w-heat here - I have reinstalled kde-desktop (with purge) to no effect (with backports disabled) - it's still reporting that I am on the beta
[11:44] <martin__> any ideas?
[11:45] <martin__> I also did an apt-get clean to force it to redownload
[11:46] <weedar> I use backports and ran a dist-upgrade that remove kdebase-bin. I'm thinking I shouldn't reboot until that dependency is fixed. Does anyone have an ETA on that? :-)
[11:49] <BBM-5> hey guys!
[11:52] <shadeslayer> martin__: strange....
[11:52] <BBM-5> i unintentionally upgraded KDE 4.2.4 to 4.3 Beta2! how do i downgrade to 4.2.4 again?????? please help
[11:53] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: as of now,nothing seems to work...please be patient for 5 min
[11:53] <shadeslayer> martin__: ok lemme think
[11:53] <shadeslayer> martin__: can you open synaptic?
[11:53] <BBM-5> shadeslayer: ok i will wait
[11:53] <martin__> I've just gone and removed all the packages listed at http://www.kde.org/download/#v4.2
[11:54] <martin__> and am now reinstalling the desktop
[11:54] <BBM-5> i can open kpackagekit, yes
[11:54] <martin__> BBM-5 - that's the same situation that I am in - working on a fix
[11:54] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: me and martin__ are discussing the issue,as soon as a solution is found well tell you :)
[11:54] <BBM-5> ok thanks
[11:54] <martin__> shadeslayer: I'm almost done with this reinstall
[11:54] <shadeslayer> martin__: best of luck :)
[11:55] <martin__> then will reboot and report back - bbi 3 mins :P
[11:55] <BBM-5> by the way why are the beta packages in the backport ppa??
[11:55] <shadeslayer> martin__: if this doesnt work,please check the version no. insynaptic
[11:55] <drcode> hi all
[11:55] <drcode> is there console based ubuntu ?
[11:55] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: ask the devs :(
[11:55] <BBM-5> hi drcode
[11:55] <shadeslayer> drcode: console based?
[11:55] <drcode> I want to build firewall/router
[11:56] <shadeslayer> !ufw | drcode
[11:56] <drcode> and I don;t need all the gui
[11:56] <BBM-5> shadeslayer: so i'm right thibnking that they normally shouldn't be in there?
[11:56] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: actually theres a announcement on kubuntu.org about it being in backports
[11:57] <BBM-5> ah okay, but why arent they in the experimental ppa
[11:57] <BBM-5> i thought the backport ppa is just for final releases
[11:57] <drcode> I am looking for console based ubuntu, also I will be glad if some one can recommanded on console gui firewall
[11:57] <drcode> of If I can use pfsens under console?
[11:58] <shadeslayer> drcode: you can use ubuntu-server,it has only cli
[11:58] <drcode> I am looking for somthing small
[11:58] <martin__> shadeslayer: argh - no fix
[11:58] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: yeah,thats my opinion too,no idea why yt was released in backports
[11:58] <drcode> I can install ubuntu-server without lamp and so?
[11:59] <martin__> shadeslayer: you were about to suggest heading into synaptic?
[11:59] <shadeslayer> drcode: ask in #ubuntu-server
[11:59] <drcode> thanx
[11:59] <shadeslayer> martin__: i wanted to see if there are 4.2.90 packages still there
[12:00] <BBM-5> shadeslayer: the funny thing is, it appears that i have some of both versions, thats what packagekit is telling me and i havent found the new features of kde 4.3
[12:00] <martin__> shadeslayer: ok, I'm in kpackagekit - what should I search for?
[12:00] <BBM-5> look for kdebase
[12:00] <shadeslayer> martin__: yeah
[12:01] <shadeslayer> and see what version is installed
[12:01] <BBM-5> correct
[12:01] <molecule> hello now install kubuntu 9.04 10 gb swap  ??? my pc 1 gb ram amd 2500+
[12:01] <BBM-5> molecule: you dont need 10 GB swap
[12:01] <martin__> ah, yes there are some 4.2.9 packages listed as installed
[12:02] <shadeslayer> martin__: force a downgrade(if possible)
[12:02] <BBM-5> molecule: take 1,5 or 2 gb
[12:02] <martin__> it seems the 4.2.4 packages are installed as well :/
[12:02] <BBM-5> martin__: same here ^^
[12:02] <shadeslayer> martin__: /topic :P
[12:02] <molecule> BBM-5,  1 gb swap ?
[12:03] <BBM-5> molecule: yeah i would take 1,5 to 2
[12:03] <shadeslayer> molecule: it should be 3 times of RAM
[12:03] <martin__> shadeslayer: yes, I saw the topic way after I'd done the updates: my apologies
[12:03] <shadeslayer> martin__: no problems :)
[12:03] <BBM-5> molecule: but i think 1 gb would be ok too
[12:03] <martin__> I meant to remove backports from my sources list, but neglected to do so and though the upgrades wouldn't be a prob
[12:03] <|bbinotto|> hi, is there any good tool, to take a screenshot and send it via email in just 2 or 3 seconds?
[12:04] <shadeslayer> |bbinotto|: ksnapshot
[12:04] <shadeslayer> heh...40 MB of wallpapers :P
[12:04] <|bbinotto|> shadeslayer: how can i send a sreenshot using ksnapshot via email?
[12:04] <BBM-5> so, how do we force the downgrade ?
[12:04] <shadeslayer> |bbinotto|: attach it ?
[12:04] <|bbinotto|> shadeslayer: yes bvut i takes so mnuch time...
[12:05] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: were working on it...me and martin__
[12:05] <BBM-5> shadeslayer: ok
[12:05] <shadeslayer> |bbinotto|: one sec
[12:05] <|bbinotto|> shadeslayer: how?
[12:05] <martin__> shadeslayer: I've done a search for "kde" and am going through removing all 4.2.9 packages
[12:05] <|bbinotto|> shadeslayer: which email client?
[12:05] <martin__> will then reboot and see if I'm in the correct environment
[12:06] <shadeslayer> |bbinotto|: theres a service called pastebinit , dont know if it works with images...you could use the plasmoid too
[12:06] <molecule> BBM-5,  okey 10 gb and 1 gb swap ok?!
[12:06] <BBM-5> |bbinotto|: take the screenshot with ksnapshot and press copy to clipboard then paste it to your e-mail
[12:06] <|bbinotto|> shadeslayer: i think with ksnapshot i have to save the img somewhere on the filesystem, in look that place up again in the email client
[12:06] <shadeslayer> martin__: fingers crossed
[12:06] <shadeslayer> yes
[12:06] <BBM-5> molecule: should be ok if you have take 2 gb swap
[12:07] <|bbinotto|> BBM-5: pasting does not work with thunderbird
[12:07] <BBM-5> |bbinotto|: hmmm strange
[12:07] <shadeslayer> !pasteinit | |bbinotto|
[12:07] <shadeslayer> !pastebinit | |bbinotto|
[12:08] <BBM-5> martin__: so how do you install all those packages again when do removed them???
[12:08] <shadeslayer> |bbinotto|: no images sorry
[12:08] <BBM-5> and dont forget the plasma packages the dont have KDE in it
[12:10] <|bbinotto|> shadeslayer: it would be great to have such a feature, in a softzware company you need to send bugs to developers very quick every day
[12:10] <shadeslayer> |bbinotto|: file it as a wishlist then :)
[12:11] <shadeslayer> !wishlist | |bbinotto|
[12:11] <shadeslayer> bah...
[12:11] <molecule> BBM-5,  my pc old  does it count >>?
[12:11] <BBM-5> molecule: if you want to be sure take 2 GB
[12:11] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[12:11] <BBM-5> molecule: for swap
[12:11] <w-heat> BBM-5: this is martin_ - what I just did worked - thanks to shadeslayer
[12:12] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: use the first command without ubuntu-desktop at the end
[12:12] <shadeslayer> w-heat: oohh good :)
[12:12] <w-heat> go into kpackagekit and search for kde, with filter "Installed Only"
[12:12] <molecule> BBM-5,  okey !
[12:12] <w-heat> remove anything referencing 4.90
[12:12] <w-heat> *4.2.90
[12:12] <w-heat> then do sudo apt-get --purge remove kubuntu-desktop;sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:12] <w-heat> in my case, kde crashed mid-way through the update
[12:13] <w-heat> on re-login
[12:13] <w-heat> kde 4.2.4 is back
[12:13] <BBM-5> shadeslayer: yeah but it should be aptitude reinstall instead of apt-get remove
[12:13] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: do what w-heat said in a tty :)
[12:13] <BBM-5> i wont do the --purge, all my settings are gone then
[12:13] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: no,that command removes KDE and reinstalls it
[12:14] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: back up ~/.kde
[12:15] <BBM-5> its going to be reinstalled without the purge as well isnt it?
[12:15] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: yes,but i am not sure it will properly install kde 4.2.4
[12:15] <BBM-5> hmmm what about my amarok 2.1
[12:16] <w-heat> BBM-5 - I have just got to that
[12:16] <w-heat> it's broken now on mine
[12:16] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: amarok 2.1 is in backports so...
[12:16] <w-heat> and doesn't want to install
[12:16] <molecule> BBM-5,  10 gb ???EXT4??  2gb swap and install Kubuntu
[12:17] <BBM-5> molecule: take EXT3, its more save
[12:17] <w-heat> ah, delving back into backports :P
[12:17] <BBM-5> w-heat: what about the command line shadeslayer postet with the website??
[12:17] <BBM-5> *posted
[12:18] <shadeslayer> w-heat: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[12:18] <BBM-5> yeah
[12:18] <BBM-5> shadeslayer: should work as well shouldt it?
[12:18] <w-heat> ah, nice, don't know if it will remove the 4.2.9 packages,but worth a shot
[12:18] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: i used that when my kde 4.3 beta 1 didnt work :)
[12:18] <molecule> BBM-5, why ?
[12:18] <shadeslayer> worked as a charm
[12:19] <BBM-5> molecule: because ext3 is more stable
[12:19] <shadeslayer> molecule: ext4 is still in testing
[12:19]  * w-heat loads up amarok 2.1 from backports
[12:19] <Pconfig> ext4 is released as stable
[12:19] <BBM-5> ok, i will try it, i will delete the amarok part from the command line
[12:19] <w-heat> yes! it works!
[12:19] <shadeslayer> Pconfig: not for ubuntu
[12:20] <shadeslayer> w-heat: congrats :)
[12:20] <Pconfig> shadeslayer: ok sorry ;)
[12:20] <molecule> BBM-5,  shadeslayer ... I understand thank you
[12:20] <BBM-5> do i have to log out? or just a  normal konsole
[12:20] <w-heat> shadeslayer: ty :)
[12:20] <shadeslayer> Pconfig: no need to apologise dude :)
[12:20] <shadeslayer> w-heat: no problem
[12:21] <BBM-5> shadeslayer: do i have to log out? or just a  normal konsole
[12:21] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: use a tty to use those commands ... please dont try them in KDE
[12:21] <BBM-5> how do i get there? i forgot ^^
[12:21] <safc> ctrl alt f1
[12:21] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: ctrl+alt+F1 - F6
[12:22] <w-heat> I did them from in kde
[12:22] <BBM-5> ok, but how do i copy and then paste it?
[12:22] <w-heat> was awesome crash
[12:22] <w-heat> :P
[12:22] <shadeslayer> w-heat: well duh....youre removing KDE from within KDE :P
[12:22] <w-heat> quite!
[12:23] <shadeslayer> so many missing dependencies....sigh
[12:23] <Pconfig> lol, look at this post http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3104432.msg184383#msg184383
[12:24] <BBM-5> so does the pasted line keeps in the clipboard after switching to tty
[12:25] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: dont know,try ctrl+shift+V
[12:25] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: dont you have another DE?
[12:26] <BBM-5> DE??
[12:26] <shadeslayer> desktop enviroment
[12:26] <BBM-5> no just kde
[12:26] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: ok,do one thing,install openbox and run the command from there
[12:27] <shadeslayer> or LXDE,which ever suits you
[12:27] <BBM-5> shadeslayer: what is openbox?
[12:27] <shadeslayer> !openbox | BBM-5
[12:27] <BBM-5> hm
[12:27] <w-heat> right, think I'm back entirely running as I was now - many thanks to all - BBM-5: good luck; I'm off out for a bit :)
[12:27] <BBM-5> wait a second i will get my netbook and talk to you frome there
[12:27] <BBM-5> bye w-heat
[12:28] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: also see this
[12:28] <shadeslayer> !puregnome | BBM-5
[12:28] <BBM-5> hmm
[12:28] <BBM-5> lets see
[12:29] <BBM-5> first i switch to my nc10
[12:29] <BBM-5> and then i will try to copy and paste it to the tty
[12:29] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: doesnt work
[12:29] <shadeslayer> +pasting
[12:30] <BBM-5> shadeslayer: and what if i paste it into a text file, go to tty, open that text file and then copy it, close the text file and paste it?
[12:31] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: no idea,you could try that
[12:31] <BBM-5> okay
[12:35] <BBM-5> shadeslayer: aptitude reinstall SHOULD TO THE TRICK RIGHT?
[12:35] <BBM-5> oh sorry caps lock
[12:36] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: no idea on that,w-heat used --purfe
[12:36] <shadeslayer> *purge
[12:36] <BBM-5> i will try it
[12:36] <shadeslayer> ok
[12:36] <BBM-5> no risk no fun right??
[12:36] <shadeslayer> hehe
[12:36] <shadeslayer> yeah
[12:36] <BBM-5> i'll be back in a second just swithing to netbook
[12:36] <shadeslayer> ok
[12:37] <shadeslayer> heh...packages coming slowly to the backports repo
[12:37] <Think-Free> Hi ! Kde 4.3 from ppa on my laptop is completly broken, no desktop, ... >_<
[12:38] <shadeslayer> Think-Free: please see topic
[12:38] <shadeslayer> Think-Free: whats the error btw?
[12:38] <BBM-5> back
[12:38] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: another guy with a borked  desktop :P
[12:39] <BBM-5> shadeslayer: who?
[12:39] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: Think-Free
[12:39] <Pconfig> hm, maybe should make a list on what packages need to be reinstalled and post it on the forum somewhere
[12:39] <shadeslayer> Pconfig: good idea
[12:39] <Think-Free> desktop is full of squares white and grey
[12:40] <Pconfig> but then again, i'm studying for my examns so i don't have to da that now
[12:40] <BBM-5> how to copy in nano????
[12:40] <shadeslayer> Think-Free: please see kubuntu.org and topic,if you need to get back to 4.2.4 , a fix is available
[12:40] <Pconfig> do*
[12:40] <shadeslayer> Pconfig: meh..me too..
[12:40] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: see man nano for that
[12:41] <BBM-5> i got it
[12:41] <Pconfig> shadeslayer, working pretty hard then :P
[12:41] <BBM-5> now, how to paste?? ^^
[12:41] <Think-Free> shadeslayer : ok ;)
[12:41] <shadeslayer> Pconfig: im free for another 15 min until the upgrade kicks
[12:41] <shadeslayer> +in
[12:42] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: ctrl+shift+V
[12:42] <BBM-5> doenst work on tty
[12:42] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: thats what i feared
[12:42] <shadeslayer> !puregnome | BBM-5
[12:42] <shadeslayer> type that in tty
[12:43] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: if you dont want GNOME , remove ubuntu-desktop
[12:43] <BBM-5> i got it somehow
[12:43] <shadeslayer> hehe
[12:43] <BBM-5> i wanted to type something here but did it on my pc ^^
[12:43] <BBM-5> ah no
[12:43] <BBM-5> its in nano :(
[12:44] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: see the command ubottu gave
[12:44] <BBM-5> yes
[12:44] <shadeslayer> try it without the part after &&
[12:44] <BBM-5> kdelibs4c2 isnt installed
[12:45] <shadeslayer> ok
[12:45] <BBM-5> E
[12:45] <BBM-5> it says that no file could be found for kdelibs5-data
[12:46] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[12:46] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: you *did* remove the backports repo right?
[12:47] <BBM-5> just 49,2 kb space would become available after that
[12:47] <BBM-5> shadeslayer: of course i did
[12:47] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: its a meta package
[12:47] <BBM-5> ok
[12:47] <BBM-5> it is removed now
[12:48] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: sudo apt-get autoremove
[12:48] <ahmad-> hi guys
[12:48] <shadeslayer> ahmad-: hey
[12:48] <BBM-5> hey ahmad
[12:49] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: done??
[12:49] <BBM-5> shadeslayer: and now? sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[12:49] <radi82> Hello. How can I chnage the KDM-Wallpaper in Jaunty?
[12:49] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: add the 4.2.4 repo lines from kubuntu.org
[12:50] <BBM-5> can you give them to me?
[12:50] <shadeslayer> radi82: kde-look.org,look under kdm themes
[12:51] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main
[12:52] <BBM-5> what about deb-src?
[12:53] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: do you need the source code?
[12:53] <BBM-5> ok no ^^
[12:53] <BBM-5> and now apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:54] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: yes
[12:54] <BBM-5> ok
[12:55] <BBM-5> its done already
[12:55] <BBM-5> shadeslayer: how can that be
[12:55] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: what!!
[12:55] <BBM-5> i think the whole kde packages werent removed
[12:55] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: see thats why i told you to use --purge
[12:55] <radi82> shadeslayer: my problem is not how to get new themes, but where to activate them.
[12:56] <BBM-5> i didnt back up my ~/.kde
[12:56] <shadeslayer> radi82: ah...system settings > apperance > login
[12:56] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: sudo apt-get --pure remove kubuntu-desktop;sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:56] <shadeslayer> *appearence
[12:56] <BBM-5> but again i didnt save my kde folder
[12:57] <radi82> shadeslayer: hmm, I'm using the german version and it only has a menu to elect the splash-screen of KDM. No option to change the login-screen itself.
[12:57] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: look,you cant go back to KDE unless and until you reinstall the whole thung
[12:57] <shadeslayer> thing
[12:57] <Pconfig> BBM-5
[12:58] <shadeslayer> radi82: oh,sorry my bad....system settings  > advanced tab > login manager
[12:58] <Pconfig> just do cp .kde .kde-backup -R
[12:58] <BBM-5> shadeslayer: i understand but how can i copy that stuf to ~/Backup/kde
[12:58] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: see Pconfig's answer
[12:58] <BBM-5> ok
[12:59] <zoiss> hello guys. is anyone working with pstricks in kubuntu?
[12:59] <radi82> shadeslayer: Thank you very much.
[13:00] <TFrog> anyone here running an ATI 200M Express chipset?
[13:01] <BBM-5> shadeslayer: again same results
[13:01] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: strange....sudo apt-get --purge remove kdelibs4c2  kdelibs5-data
[13:01] <BBM-5> i have to somehow get that command line from the website into tty
[13:04] <oDuda> how to install kppp from live-cd at Jaunty ?
[13:04] <BBM-5> can you post that link again?
[13:04] <Pconfig> BBM-5: you could paste it in a .sh file and then execute the .sh file from in the terminal
[13:04] <BBM-5> that would be a way
[13:04] <BBM-5> can i do that all on tty?
[13:04] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[13:04] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: dont think so :P
[13:05] <BBM-5> why not??
[13:05] <BBM-5> i have to create the sh file
[13:05] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: because how can you copy the command from the site without a browser?
[13:05] <Pconfig> BBM-5: first try sudo apt-get remove kde
[13:05] <BBM-5> than paste it
[13:05] <shadeslayer> Pconfig: kde?
[13:05] <Pconfig> shadeslayer: i just read it on a forum somewhere, he tried it and it worked
[13:06] <BBM-5> and thenn make it executebale
[13:06] <JuJuBee> I am trying to install virtualbox and was getting an error.  Looks like lots of broken things to me...  http://pastebin.com/m6782070e  Can someone take a look and suggest course of action?
[13:06] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: you made a txt file with those lines right?? make that the executable
[13:06] <BBM-5> ok ho can i do that
[13:07] <BBM-5> i saved the text file again as downgrade.sh
[13:07] <Pconfig> chmod a+x downgrade.sh
[13:07] <Pconfig> sudo ./downgrade.sh
[13:08] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: yeah
[13:08] <BBM-5> error!
[13:08] <shadeslayer> ?
[13:09] <BBM-5> i have to trasnslate that into english
[13:10] <BBM-5> "i couldnt find a file for tha package kde-window-manager. This could mean that this package must be corrected manually.
[13:11] <BBM-5> and
[13:12] <BBM-5> 	
[13:12] <BBM-5> Internal error: list of download packages could not be created
[13:13] <Pconfig> BBM-5: try sudo apt-get update first maybe
[13:13] <BBM-5> again
[13:13] <BBM-5> but i tried it with aptitude reinstall
[13:14] <shadeslayer> Pconfig: could you help him out,im going for a moment
[13:14] <Pconfig> pft
[13:14] <Pconfig> i can try, but i'm getting out of ideas, lol
[13:14] <BBM-5> i will try it with remove and then install
[13:15] <shadeslayer> Pconfig: its remove kubuntu-desktop and install kubuntu-desktop for most of the  part
[13:15] <whirleystar> hi all
[13:16] <BBM-5> yeah but kubuntu desktop doesnt work
[13:16] <BBM-5> i tried with remove now and he removed them
[13:16] <Pconfig> BBM-5 removed what?
[13:17] <BBM-5> all kde packages
[13:17] <Pconfig> ok
[13:17] <BBM-5> Pconfig: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[13:17] <BBM-5> theres a configure KDM screen now
[13:17] <Pconfig> BBM-5: ok, now try to reinstall kubuntu-desktop or did you do that already?
[13:17] <BBM-5> he asks me whether i want it to stop or not
[13:18] <Pconfig> yes
[13:18] <Pconfig> stop it
[13:18] <BBM-5> i tried to remove kubuntu-desktop, but its just this package which is removed not the rest of the packages
[13:18] <JuJuBee> Can someone please help me with http://pastebin.com/m6782070e
[13:18] <Pconfig> BBM-5, yes but you said all other packages are gone now?
[13:19] <BBM-5> hes still working
[13:19] <BBM-5> wtf?? virtualbox, wine etc also going to get removed
[13:19] <Pconfig> ok, let him do his work and then reinstall kubuntu-desktop, it will fetch all packages again but the kde 4.2.4 version
[13:20] <BBM-5> many many python packages
[13:20] <Pconfig> that shouldn't be happening :|
[13:20] <BBM-5> i can edit the script from remove to install
[13:21] <BBM-5> then all packages which were removed should be installed again
[13:22] <Pconfig> BBM-5: true, but i'd still use kubuntu-desktop first. It'll make kdm your default display manager again and such
[13:22] <BBM-5> ok
[13:22] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: yes,that script removes alot of other things as well
[13:22] <Pconfig> ah, virtualbox and such get removed because the commands even removes the qt4 libs
[13:22] <shadeslayer> yep
[13:22] <BBM-5> what about wine?
[13:22] <shadeslayer> also ubuntu-restricted-extras and such
[13:23] <BBM-5> aaaaaaaaaaaahhh
[13:23] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: its removed too
[13:23] <BBM-5> dependency problems
[13:23]  * shadeslayer is tired of this
[13:24] <BBM-5> language-selecter-qt shouldnt be installed
[13:24] <shadeslayer> ok,wish me luck that kbuildsycoca4 doesnt crash when i go to kde 4.3 :)
[13:25] <whirleystar> while trying to install koffice-kde4 with apt-get I get "size mismatch" errors, what's that all about?
[13:25] <BBM-5> recommended: amarok should not be installed
[13:25] <BBM-5> E: Broken packages
[13:25] <w-heat> BBM-5: re-enable backports
[13:25] <w-heat> then sudo apt-get install amarok
[13:26] <Pconfig> but please, don't install the beta packages again :p
[13:26] <BBM-5> same thing
[13:27] <BBM-5> i have the following repos
[13:27] <w-heat> did you do an apt-get update after enabling the backports repo?
[13:27] <whirleystar> is there something i need to do to fix broken packages, or is it the province of devs?
[13:28] <BBM-5> jaunty, jaunty-updates, jaunty security, jaunty backports, and a kmess 2 ppa and the ppa backports for kubuntu
[13:28] <BBM-5> i will deselect the last one
[13:30] <w-heat> ppa backports for kubuntu is where amarok is I think...
[13:30] <BBM-5> when i do install - f nothing gets installed but there are 126 packages to autoremove
[13:30] <Pconfig> whirleystar: it works for me
[13:31] <BBM-5> should i do that autoremove??
[13:32] <shadeslayer> no luck...it crashed
[13:32] <BBM-5> help!
[13:32] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: now what?
[13:32] <BBM-5> i removed all the packages of the sh
[13:32] <BBM-5> and wanted to install kubuntu-desktop
[13:33] <BBM-5> but there are just error messages
[13:33] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: such as??
[13:33] <whirleystar> Pconfig: hmmm... I get, for example: "Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/koffice2/koffice-data-kde4_2.0.0-0ubuntu1~jaunty1_all.deb  Size mismatch"
[13:33] <BBM-5> should be installed and broken packages
[13:33] <BBM-5> language-selecter-qt shouldnt be installed
[13:33] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: you did try with --purge?? and then updated right?
[13:34] <BBM-5> recommended: amarok should not be installed
[13:34] <BBM-5> E: Broken packages
[13:34] <BBM-5> when i do install -f
[13:34] <BBM-5> nothing gets installed
[13:34] <BBM-5> but there are 126 packages to autoremove
[13:34] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: then remove them
[13:34] <BBM-5> should i do that autoremove??
[13:34] <BBM-5> ok
[13:35] <Pconfig> whirleystar: try setting your server to main server in kpackagekit ==> settings ==> edit software sources
[13:35] <Pconfig> then do a sudo apt-get update
[13:35] <Pconfig> en try installing again
[13:35] <Pconfig> and*
[13:36] <BBM-5> still dont able to install kubuntu-desktop!! argh
[13:36] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: what does it say ??
[13:37] <BBM-5> language-selecter-qt shouldnt be installed
[13:37] <BBM-5> recommended: amarok should not be installed
[13:37] <BBM-5> E: Broken packages
[13:37] <BBM-5> then
[13:37] <BBM-5> i want to install that language selector
[13:37] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: sudo apt-get --purge remove amarok;sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[13:38] <BBM-5> depends on language-selector-common (=4.2.2) but 0.4.2.3 should be installed
[13:39] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: did you try that command i gave you??
[13:39] <BBM-5> no
[13:39] <shadeslayer> -_-
[13:39] <whirleystar> Pconfig: switched to main server and get same error
[13:39] <BBM-5> amarok is not installed
[13:40] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: what about kubuntu-desktop?
[13:42] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: hello?? im going in 2 mins
[13:43] <BBM-5> sorry door rang
[13:44] <BBM-5> shadeslayer: kubuntu desktop isnt installed as wel
[13:44] <BBM-5> l
[13:45] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: i dont have the sligthest idea now....you can install ubuntu-desktop to have a working enviroment and get back to KDE when this mess gets sorted
[13:45] <BBM-5> hm
[13:46] <shadeslayer> gnome *always* works for me :P
[13:47] <BBM-5> i have no idea why he alwas wants to install amarok 2.1 although there is no repo activated tor it
[13:48] <shadeslayer> BBM-5: anyways..im off....try someone else if they can help you out
[13:48] <shadeslayer> good luck everyone
[13:48] <BBM-5> Pconfig: do you have any ideas?
[13:49] <Pconfig> BBM-5: you ended up in the dependency hell, and i've got no clue :(
[13:49] <BBM-5> i removed amarok-common and langauge-selector-common and now it seems to work with kubuntu desktop
[13:49] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:49] <BBM-5> Pconfig: dependency hell, you name it
[13:50] <Pconfig> BBM-5: try sudo aptitude -f remove
[13:50] <w-heat> BBM-5: why didn't you just follow my instructions of going into kpackagekit, searching for kde, remove all references to 4.2.90. Reinstall kubuntu-desktop package. Add backports. Reinstall amarok. Tada!
[13:51] <BBM-5> w-heat: because you said it crahed and i dont know which packages i had to remove sind there werent just kde3 packages with 4.2.90
[13:51] <BBM-5> also olasma things
[13:51] <BBM-5> *plasma
[13:51] <BBM-5> well it seems to work now
[13:52] <Pconfig> BBM-5: did that command work?
[13:52] <BBM-5> after he finished i will reboot and add my repos again and install thousands of software again ^^
[13:52] <BBM-5> get all the updates again
[13:53] <BBM-5> i removed that language-selector-common and amarok-common and kubuntu-desktop worked
[13:53] <CapaH> How do I get kubuntu to *use* compiz ?
[13:53] <CapaH> it doesn't seem to by default
[13:54] <BBM-5> CapaH: why dont you youe the kwin effects
[13:55] <CapaH> BBM: Where are they?
[13:55] <safc> CapaH: go to desktop settings and enable desktop effects
[13:55] <BluesKaj> BBM-5, in system settings /window manager
[13:56] <BluesKaj> system setting /default apps/ window manager
[13:58] <BBM-5> Pconfig: lets see how kde looks like now
[13:59] <Pconfig> BBM-5: i'm curious :p
[13:59] <CapaH> How can you zoom in with the scrollbar and mouse with Kwin - like you can with compiz ?
[13:59] <BBM-5> i have kde 4.2.2 now
[14:04] <BluesKaj> BBM-5, were you trying to install amarok1.4 /kde3 version ?
[14:06] <noaXess> is it possible to upgrade hardy to jaunty?
[14:07] <BBM-5> noaXess: no
[14:07] <noaXess> hardy is 8.04 right?
[14:07] <BBM-5> noaXess: upgrade to intrepid then to jaunty
[14:07] <BBM-5> noaXess: or do a reinstall
[14:14] <ForeverSmurf> I've been having alot of plasma crashes/freezes recently. Is there some kind of log I can look at to try and solve my issues?
[14:16] <ForeverSmurf> I noced I seem to be using kde 4.2.2 but there 4.2.3 or 4.2.4 is not available to me
[14:16] <CapaH> Is it possible with KWin effects to set 'top right' screen as a trigger for certain events? particularly expo?
[14:17] <noaXess> i cant remove kio-umountwrapper, i get  this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/192565/ any idea?
[14:17] <Dragnslcr> CapaH- supposedly, yes, but I haven't been able to get it to work in a while
[14:23] <Pconfig> CapaH:  System settings ==> Desktop ==> Desktop settings ==> Screen edges
[14:23] <digdeep>  can I start all downloads in ktorrent with command line?
[14:26] <oDuda> how to install kppp from live-cd at Jaunty ?
[14:29] <oDuda> digdeep yes... i tryed just now and is possible...
[14:31] <oDuda> digdeep: ktorrent <folder(s)>/<torrent file>
[14:31] <Riddell> **  Kubuntu alpha 2 candidate CDs need testing!
[14:31] <digdeep> cool
[14:32] <oDuda> worked ?
[14:33] <tomsdale> hello - I need to resolve a domain name via the /etc/hosts. All browsers (FF Opera Konq) Ignore the hosts. Why? don't they use the libc library at all? (nsswitch+resolv.conf)
[14:34] <tomsdale> in KDE - where can I influence the name resolution?
[14:35] <oDuda> tomsdale i just made that for dial up not navigating at /etc/resolv.conf
[14:35] <digdeep> oDuda: it works when that torrent is not in ktorrent
[14:36] <tomsdale> oDuda: I don't understand. You made what?
[14:36] <oDuda> digdeep yes... it says that is already running :-)
[14:36] <oDuda> tomsdale: sorry ... nameserver parameter in resolv.conf
[14:36] <digdeep> oDuda: any way to continue previous download?
[14:37] <oDuda> digdeep: just continue.. ugh (cause i was lost mine) ...
[14:37] <tomsdale> oDuda: I can influence that. But I need to resolve a single domain name into an IP adresse (background I need to rescue a hacked site which has been removed from all nameservers known to me)
[14:38] <digdeep> np
[14:39] <oDuda> tomsdale: sorry if im not understanding too... but ping do not make that ?
[14:40] <digdeep> d-bus was working before, but not this time
[14:40] <digdeep> (something like this) /usr/bin/qdbus org.ktorrent.ktorrent /KTorrent org.ktorrent.KTorrent.startAll
[14:40] <tomsdale> oDuda: ping works fine because it looks into the /etc/hosts. KDE does not work because it ignores the /etc/hosts and asks the name server.
[14:40] <ipm> allooww..
[14:40] <ipm> my i ask..
[14:41] <oDuda> tomsdale: sorry, so............
[14:42] <tomsdale> there is no way atm that I can access the hacked site atm unless KDE first looks into the /etc/hosts for name resolution and then queries the nameserver.
[14:43] <tomsdale> that's how it is supposed to work according to the /etc/nsswitch:  hosts:          files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4
[14:45] <tomsdale> this file seems to be simply ignored.
[14:49] <syauky> any body can help me....?
[14:50] <Aranel> syauky: just ask it =)
[14:54] <syauky> i wan to printing photo wiyh good qualty .. how to do it...?
[14:57] <Dragnslcr> Have you tried just printing from gwenview?
[15:10] <theD3viL> i realy cant connect my video card and tv true s-video. Im using intel 855gme, and if anyone could help, please...
[15:12] <khaije> dd
[15:13] <BluesKaj> !intel
[15:15] <theD3viL> BluesKaj: thats for performence (which i need it too), but the most inportant thing for me is tv out. I cant solve this problem, other i can solve.. :S
[15:18] <BluesKaj> sry theD3viL , I have no experience with intel TV cards
[15:18] <theD3viL> BluesKaj: you mean graphich cards?
[15:19] <BluesKaj> or intel graphics , I just know they are problematic with intrepid & jaunty
[15:20] <theD3viL> aha..okey tnx anyway
[15:20] <BluesKaj> maybe some thing changed in your settings options
[15:20] <theD3viL> there is no thing to set
[15:35] <DaskreeCH> Hello I'm having a little issue with IPs not conflicting :(
[15:36] <genii> DaskreeCH: A better description of the problem might help
[15:37] <DaskreeCH> I'm trying to set my network cards to static IPs and one card seems to get all the IPs
[15:37] <DaskreeCH> So ifconfig eth0 192.168.7.1 netmask 255.255.255.0
[15:38] <DaskreeCH> then  ifconfig eth1 192.168.7.11 netmask 255.255.255.0
[15:38] <DaskreeCH> When I look at ifconfig they are assigned properly
[15:38] <DaskreeCH> but If I plug into eth0 I can ping both
[15:38] <DaskreeCH> if I plug into eth1 then I can't ping either. at this point if I plug into eth2 I get network unreachable
[15:38] <msakthi> how to get lighttpd instaled in u8
[15:40] <DaskreeCH> If I assign a third IP to eth2 then I stop getting Destination Host unreachable
[15:41] <DaskreeCH> but I still can't ping it only if I plug into eth0
[15:45] <genii> DaskreeCH: When you unplug from eth0 and plug into eth1, it's still trying to use the route info of eth0
[15:46] <genii> DaskreeCH: There can be only one default route
[15:49] <DaskreeCH> genii: sooo I can't have two ethernet devices on the same subnet?
[15:49] <genii> DaskreeCH: You can, yes. But it will keep trying to use eth0 as the default way to reach things unless you add additional routes for each new adapter
[15:52] <DaskreeCH> genii: so route add (no default I guess) 192.168.7.11
[15:57] <petsounds_> hello, i read this news http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Replace-the-Volume-Control-in-Ubuntu-9-04-with-the-PulseAudio-One-112786.shtml and so curious about doing this in kubuntu but is it possible? thank you
[16:03] <genii> DaskreeCH: Apologies on lag, family phone call came in...
[16:04] <genii> DaskreeCH: Yes, add a route for each adapter to the router IP, etc
[16:04] <genii> router/gateway
[16:14] <tomsdale> petsounds_: oh yes!!! that would be so great.
[16:14] <DaskreeCH> genii: http://paste.ubuntu.com/192671/
[16:14] <DaskreeCH> Something like that or is that wrong?
[16:15] <petsounds_> tomsdale: can u do it with kubuntu?
[16:16] <tomsdale> I don't know. just installed the package pulseaudio and started it and it gives me Error opening PCM device hw:0: Device or resource busy
[16:17] <genii> DaskreeCH: That might work, although the gateway should probably be the IP of the router
[16:18] <DaskreeCH> ah
[16:18] <DaskreeCH> ok :-)
[16:20] <op> hello
[16:20] <DaskreeCH> wait it is  the router :-/
[16:20] <op> :)
[16:20] <op> nothing
[16:20] <op> and you,
[16:20] <op> ?
[16:21] <DaskreeCH> I'm good
[16:21] <DaskreeCH> genii: It is the router
[16:21] <op> Im fine to...
[16:21] <genii> DaskreeCH: 192.168.7.0     *               255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 eth0
[16:22] <genii> DaskreeCH: Shows a * for gateway for instance... 192.168.7.0 is a network ... 192.168.7.1 likely should be the gateway
[16:22] <DaskreeCH> genii: ah ok How do I set that?
[16:22] <tomsdale> petsounds_: seems to work if you install the package pulseaudio. I think what we need additionally though Is a version of Kmix which is aware of pulse audio.
[16:24] <DaskreeCH> op: good to hear
[16:24] <op> where are you from?
[16:25] <genii> op: You are in the #kubuntu support channel. For casual converation not relating to support, please travel to #kubuntu-offtopic instead.
[16:26] <op> This is big-big deal......isn't?
[16:28] <op> bye guy's.....
[16:29] <genii> DaskreeCH: route add  -net  192.168.7.0  netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.7.1 dev eth0         etc,etc
[16:30] <Peace-> !offtopic
[16:30] <genii> Peace-: They left already :)
[16:30] <genii> Ah, nvm
[16:30] <BOZG> Hey everyone, in Jaunty, using Kwin, I sometimes manage to get all open windows to fit onto a single desktop and it allows me then to select whatever window I want to use.
[16:30] <BOZG> But I've no idea how I'm doing it.
[16:30] <BOZG> Any ideas?
[16:30] <mkargar> hello!i installed pppoeconf on the kubuntu 9.04 64bit for connect to ADSL Connection!but,I have recieve this error and my network card not detected!!!:
[16:30] <Peace-> genii: ?? what?
[16:31] <genii> Peace-: Disregard, another user being offtopic just before you arrived
[16:32] <mkargar> hello!i installed pppoeconf on the kubuntu 9.04 64bit for connect to ADSL Connection!but,I have recieve this error and my network card not detected!!!:http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/192688/
[16:37] <tomsdale> BOZG check in desktop effects what happens if you move your moose to a corner of you screen
[16:37] <tomsdale> mouse that is. Unless you live in Canada maybe :-)
[16:38] <BOZG> :P  Ok, I'll check now.
[16:40] <BOZG> tomsdale: Ok, I found what I was looking for.
[16:40] <genii> mkargar: For pppoeconf your ADSL modem needs to be in "bridged mode". If your computer is getting a number like 192.168.x.x it is not.
[16:40] <BOZG> tomsdale: It's not a button combination that I'd ever use though which is strange.
[16:42] <mkargar> genii:no probl;em in bridged mod!pppoeconf not detected my card and fiberhome modem!
[16:43] <genii> mkargar: Is this some USB modem?
[16:44] <mkargar> genii:no no!ethernet!
[16:44] <genii> mkargar: Please pastebin output of: ifconfig -a
[16:45] <mkargar> genii:ok ok!please wait!
[16:45]  * genii puts on his anti-exclamation-mark goggles and waits a bit
[16:50] <mkargar___> genii:http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/192712/
[16:51] <mkargar___> genii:??
[16:52] <genii> mkargar___: Your computer is getting already an IP from the modem, so it is acting like a router. You don't need to use pppoeconf at all.
[16:53] <genii> mkargar___: Point your web browser at the IP of the modem. It should be something like 192.168.1.1      ... in your modem's configuration should be the place to put your login/password for your internet service
[16:54] <mkargar___> genii:i entered  192.168.1.1 in konqueror!but...!!
[16:56] <mkargar___> genii:please help me! 192.168.1.1 doesn,t work!!
[16:57] <mkargar___> *doesn't
[16:58] <ikonia> mkargar___: please pastebin the output of "netstat -rn" please.
[16:58] <mkargar___> ikonia:ok!please wait....
[17:08] <ubuntu> hello guys, i have had win xp + kubuntu.. installed win7 in win xp partition.win 7 works fine. grub is no more.Tried following some guides but lost myself in errors.
[17:12] <Dragnslcr> ubuntu- yup, Windows will blow away grub, since it doesn't care about any other operating systems
[17:12] <Dragnslcr> !grub
[17:14] <ubuntu> Dragnslcr i know windows doesnt care... do you care? :) -> have a look at my error http://pastebin.com/d7b0380bb
[17:15] <DaskreeCH> BOZG: Ctrl+F9 ?
[17:16] <Dragnslcr> ubuntu- I haven't done much with grub, so I can't really help, but the first thing I would check is if the partition is already mounted
[17:16] <DaskreeCH> genii: http://paste.ubuntu.com/192731/
[17:17] <DaskreeCH> conflicts?
[17:17] <ubuntu> mounted
[17:17] <genii> DaskreeCH: You could likely stand to del 4,5,6 but otherwise looks good from here. Tested this yet?
[17:18] <DaskreeCH> genii: can't see anything on any of the interfaces now :(
[17:18] <DaskreeCH> genii: I made a mistake in my first relation of what I was doing. The router is 192.168.7.1 eth0 is 192.168.7.11 eth1 is 192.168.7.14
[17:20] <Xcell> Ive googled to no avail:..how do you get the lcd weather thing to work?
[17:20] <genii> DaskreeCH: You could also instead of 192.168.7.1 put the IP of the respective ethX
[17:20] <DaskreeCH> >_<
[17:21] <genii> DaskreeCH: It gets tricky. I've had similar issues like this. Might want to consult some route samples, etc
[17:21] <ubuntu> ops im in trouble... i was reading some helpguide for grub fixing.. I entered sudo vi /boot/grub/menu.lst - its empty.. but i dont know how to exit it! help :D
[17:21] <DaskreeCH> Alright I think I should get this working before I flip on the server
[17:22] <DaskreeCH> ubuntu: Esc Esc shift +ZZ
[17:22] <DaskreeCH> ubuntu: Assuming that you want to save
[17:22] <DaskreeCH> If you want to quite without savinf it's different
[17:22] <DaskreeCH> saving
[17:22] <genii> :q!
[17:22] <ubuntu> ctrl+alt+n worked :) im lucky.. but menu.lst shouldnt be empty :(
[17:23] <DaskreeCH> ubuntu: vi doesnt understand alt+Ctrl+n
[17:23] <DaskreeCH> Not sure what you just did but it's nothing to do with vi
[17:23] <Xcell> .how do you get the lcd weather thing to work?
[17:24] <genii> ubuntu: Likely ally uo did was just switch console to next one
[17:24] <ubuntu> i dont know i panicked and pressed many combinations as many as i knew :D and ctrl+alt+n opened or cleared my way in new konsole
[17:25] <ubuntu> cheez guys anyone is not busy to help me with my grub? i know im a such person who had this problem many times but long time ago
[17:25] <DaskreeCH> ubuntu: Ah you pressed alt+ctrl+Fn
[17:25] <ghostboss> ....
[17:25] <DaskreeCH> ubuntu: Waaait are you in Konsole?
[17:26] <ubuntu> shell konsole kubuntu.. i dont know how many different there are
[17:26] <ghostboss> speek here anybody german?
[17:26] <DaskreeCH> ubuntu: Is there a tab at the bottom ?
[17:26] <DaskreeCH> !de | ghostboss
[17:27] <ubuntu> DaskreeCH - my log of error i cant pass... yes all partitions seems to be mounted already: http://pastebin.com/d7b0380bb
[17:29] <tomsdale> can I move a window from one virtual desktop to another via dragging. I know how to do it via shortcuts or the menu but that's lame.
[17:29] <mkargar____> what user and pass for fiberhome ADSL modem?(for web interface!)
[17:30] <genii> mkargar____: For that info you need to call your internet service provider company
[17:31] <mkargar____> genii:hmm!i wnat user and pass for login to web Interface!
[17:32] <mkargar____> what user and pass for fiberhome ADSL modem?(for web interface!)
[17:35] <Serpardum> mkargar____: I know my router was admin with no password, of course I set a password
[17:35] <Serpardum> try admin with no pass
[17:35] <mkargar____> Serpardum:i tested!but...:(
[17:35] <Serpardum> then google for the documentation and it'll tell you
[17:36] <genii> mkargar____: If a book came with the modem, I suggest to consult it
[17:36] <Serpardum> google for like "default login fiberhome ADSL"
[17:40] <DaskreeCH> ubuntu: Why hd0,1 ?
[17:40] <DaskreeCH> Blast!
[17:41] <genii> DaskreeCH: Kids these days. No patience.
[17:41] <DaskreeCH> genii: He's trying to mount grub to the swap partition
[17:41] <DaskreeCH> Assuming that ubuntu is a he
[17:42] <genii> DaskreeCH: Well, that might have unfortunate results.
[17:43] <DaskreeCH> Like error messages
[17:44] <Serpardum> Konqueror doesn't do flash?!?
[17:44] <genii> Serpardum: It does if you have the nsplugins part of it installed
[17:44] <Serpardum> nsplugins?
[17:44] <Serpardum> hmm
[17:45] <Serpardum> kay, let me install that
[17:45] <genii> !info konqueror-nsplugins
[17:48] <Serpardum> dang it, I go to flash.com, says I need flash player (already installed the nsplugins).  install flash, still says I need flash player
[17:55] <orion76> hello again now sound card 5.1 c-media older
[17:58] <damian_> hola alguien a quien pueda atomizar a preguntas?
[17:58] <damian_> soy nuevo en kubuntu
[17:59] <snarkfish> i just built a kubuntu box for my testing/recovery machine. it continues to tell me 9 updates available but there are only 4 blocked updates.
[17:59] <snarkfish> what does that mean
[18:00] <Dragnslcr> snarkfish- I have the same problem. Something with the update-notifier-kde isn't right
[18:00] <Peace-> !es | damian
[18:00] <orion76> hello again now sound card 5.1 c-media older
[18:01] <snarkfish> Dragnslcr: yup pita isnt it
[18:01] <Peace-> snarkfish: go on the terminal type: sudo apt-get upgrade . and you have done
[18:01] <snarkfish> Peace-: ok ill give it a try
[18:02] <snarkfish> just says there are 4 held back, not 9
[18:03] <lovre> how can i compress a folder with ark and make it RAR in parts, with maximum size for a part???
[18:06] <lovre> i have to say, Ark is a dissapointment for me... it would be great if there were a better app out there.
[18:06] <Peace-> rar?
[18:06] <Peace-> omg
[18:07] <Peace-> why a propetary formats
[18:07] <Peace-> use open source format
[18:07] <Peace-> and why do you need to create little file when you can upload 1gb of stuff on internet
[18:07] <Peace-> fre service
[18:07] <Peace-> free
[18:09] <ubuntu> hey all
[18:10] <snarkfish> Peace-: maybe he was backing up to cd
[18:10] <snarkfish> with compression
[18:10] <Peace-> snarkfish: remastersys
[18:10] <snarkfish> lovre: install wine and get winrar it works fine
[18:11] <lovre> snarkfish: that seems like a solution. Does it integrate with dolphin?
[18:11] <snarkfish> lovre: no it doesnt.. itll just use the winrar window or install rar and do it the cli way.
[18:12] <lovre> snarkfish: ok, thank you
[18:13] <JuJuBee> Having trouble getting mysql to start after moving the datadir to new location.  Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)  Any help?
[18:13] <snarkfish> yuck fedora... why did i do that again??? hmmm
[18:13] <Being_Tsukasa> anyone taken 467?
[18:13] <ubuntu> i'm on the livecd -- I went to install and i went to partition, etc but it doesnt visually show my hd and how its divided up etc.. (my hd are raid 0 setup)
[18:14] <snarkfish> ubuntu thats why it didnt show you..
[18:14] <Being_Tsukasa> damn... wrong channel
[18:14] <ubuntu> snarkfish:  how can i see? is there no way for me to dualboot this with vista thats already on this system?
[18:15] <snarkfish> ubuntu: gimme a sec
[18:23] <strog_> hi peeps i have the newest kubuntu installed and wanted to change the resolution to 1024x1280 when checking the xorg.conf file i found out that there are no resolutions installed
[18:24] <strog_> can someone help me with this
[18:24] <Peace-> open krandr
[18:24] <Peace-> strog_:
[18:25] <tolik> всем привет
[18:26] <strog_> Peace-: ...
[18:27] <Unksi> !ru | tolik
[18:27] <ubuntu> Is it wise to install 64 bit on 1.6ghz 'dual core' 1gb laptop?
[18:27] <ubuntu> 64bit kubuntu that is
[18:27] <Unksi> ubuntu: has worked well for me, and i dont see any reason to not to unless you have some closed-source software you need that you know that wont work on 64bit
[18:28] <ubuntu> Unksi: is everything now in both flavours for ubuntu unlike win?
[18:29] <Unksi> ubuntu: yes, except flash is run in 32bit still, but works through a wrapper so you just install it through a package manager and it works
[18:29] <ubuntu> Oh ok.
[18:29] <ubuntu> Thanks
[18:29] <ubuntu_> Moin
[18:30] <ubuntu> Is quassel irc replcaing xchat?
[18:30] <Unksi> yeah
[18:30] <ubuntu> why
[18:30] <Unksi> no idea
[18:30] <Unksi> reboot ->
[18:33] <ShishKabab> Hello. I have some weird dependency problems under (K)ubuntu. The following packages have unmet dependencies: gnome-settings-daemon and libgnome-window-settings1. I tried using apt-get -f install and the problem is that the post-removal script of libtdb1 return error code 2. How do I solve this?
[18:35] <sparr> When I start some fullscreen apps/games, one of which I am certain uses 800x600, my monitor goes to "Signal out of range" and shuts off.  "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr" from a console reports that it is still in my default 1280x1024@50Hz.  killing the program has no effect.  ctrl+alt+plus/minus has no effect before or after killing the program.  "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr -s 2" results in X crashing.  Help?
[18:38] <StormWinged> hi guys..
[18:38] <StormWinged> what`s the command line to make mounting of disks without select by me?
[18:38] <StormWinged> i mean... i have a ntfs partition and a ext3 but on a different drive
[18:38] <ChrisBuchholz> Hi - everytime i change the height of my panel, at some point it goes back to default again. How do i make it stick?
[18:39] <StormWinged> at every restart... it dont mount
[18:40] <PhrkOnLsh> StormWinged: google /etc/fstab
[18:40] <PhrkOnLsh> StormWinged: add an fstab entry for that device and it will automount
[18:41] <StormWinged> is fine if i`ll copy the automount command from /dev/sda1?
[18:41] <StormWinged> on that device is the main OS
[18:46] <kilian_> hey, is there anybody else experiencing like 35% cpu usage by kwin and xorg with the new kde-update?
[18:48] <strog_> i tried to use dpkg -configure to reconfigure x11 without any success
[18:49] <eMyller> how do i use kate snippets? Oo
[18:50] <DaskreeCH> What are kate snippets?
[18:55] <eMyller> DaskreeCH: a kate plugin.
[18:56] <DaskreeCH> eMyller: ok
[18:57] <strog_> guys i need help
[18:57] <strog_> i have in my xorg.conf file no specifications about the screen resolutions
[18:58] <strog_> i have kubuntu 9.04
[19:01] <Serpardum> What are you trying to do strog_?
[19:02] <Serpardum> I had just googled for "xorg.conf" and found examples
[19:03] <strog_> Serpardum: in my display settings i have only 1 resolution
[19:03] <Serpardum> well, add more.
[19:04] <Serpardum> Like mine is: Modes "1360x768" "1024x768" "800x600"
[19:04] <Serpardum> you have a Modes line right?
[19:04] <strog_> Serpardum: when i go to edit the xorg.conf there is no entry that is like  Modes
[19:04] <Serpardum> that is under teh Secion "Screen"
[19:05] <Serpardum> right, you gotta add it.
[19:05] <Serpardum> liek I said, google for "xorg.conf"
[19:05] <Serpardum> to get examples
[19:05] <Serpardum> it's the Section "Screen" you need to add
[19:06] <strog_> Serpardum: wait ill get a pastebin
[19:07] <strog_> Serpardum: http://pastebin.com/d3f55a3ba
[19:09] <Serpardum> here is mine.  I'm not 100% sure it's correct, but it works for what I want it to do.  http://pastebin.com/m55c8c72
[19:16] <orion76> orion
[19:17] <manish779> leave
[19:18] <viable-tadesse_> anyone know why using pthread_mutex_t causes system freeze?
[19:19] <jason_froebe> viable-tadesse_ - depends what resource(s) your thread has
[19:20] <viable-tadesse_> jason_froebe: what do you mean?
[19:20] <viable-tadesse_> I am pretty sure there might be a race condition going on with my  resource
[19:20] <viable-tadesse_> but I didn't expect it to have a system freeze.. I thought it would only be application level freeze( calling thread)
[19:21] <jason_froebe> a pthread is a posix thread.  IIRC, mutex_t means to grab an exclusive lock on some resource
[19:21] <jason_froebe> for the posix thread
[19:22] <viable-tadesse_> jason_froebe: so this would cause a system freeze if the lock is not available?
[19:22] <admin__> sera a tutti
[19:23] <PoLLiNe19> sera
[19:23] <genii> !it | PoLLiNe19
[19:23] <strog_> Serpendum: i just restarted my machine and nothing changed from the resolution
[19:23] <jason_froebe> the program that is running the thread will have the thread sit and wait until the resource is locked.  whether it causes a system or an app level "freeze" will depend on what resource is being locked
[19:23] <PoLLiNe19> thx a lot :)
[19:23] <Serpardum> strog_ did you go and try to change the resolution now?
[19:23] <Serpardum> start->system settings
[19:23] <Serpardum> display
[19:23] <BIOFABIOFA> hi to everyone :)
[19:24] <Serpardum> yello
[19:25] <strog_> x" was not there
[19:25] <Serpardum> x" was not there?  what?
[19:25] <strog_> the old resolutions where there but the one that i added  "1024x1280" is not there
[19:26] <Serpardum> 1024x1280?  that's not a legal resolution is it?
[19:26] <genii> Nope
[19:26] <Serpardum> I think your x server is calling bullshit
[19:27] <oobe> i think 1024x1280 is legal in some states
[19:27] <strog_> Serpendum: the old resolutions where there but the one that i added  "1024x1280" is not there
[19:27] <oobe> but texas has outlawed it
[19:27] <strog_> oobe: what do u mean?
[19:28] <oobe> im being funny
[19:28] <strog_> oobe: forgot to laugh
[19:28] <Serpardum> strog_: 1024x1280 is NOT a legal resolution
[19:28] <Serpardum> I think your x-server is calling bullshit
[19:28] <Pici> Serpardum: Please mind your language here
[19:29] <strog_> Serpendum: my screen can do 1024x1280 and when shutting down the moon appears to be squished
[19:30] <Serpardum>  oh, wow, portait screen?
[19:31] <Serpardum> Well, I dont' know *shrug*
[19:31] <asraniel> hi there, can one already update to kde 4.3 beta2 ? i added the experimental rep for my gf because of amarok, now she has half of kde 4.3 and the other half does not install because of dependencies
[19:34] <asraniel> or other question, how can i downgrade from 4.3 beta 2 to normal 4.2
[19:34] <genii> !downgrade
[19:37] <asraniel> ubottu: ok, so i have to drive my gf savely into kde 4.3 beta2
[19:37] <asraniel> lol
[19:37] <asraniel> ok ;-)
[19:39] <eurythmia> eep .. in Dolphin, I accidentally removed the "Trash" place ... how do I restore this?
[19:40] <asraniel> eurythmia: i know that you can get to it i think with trash://
[19:41] <asraniel> perhaps this helps
[19:41] <eurythmia> asraniel, perhaps ... I'll give it a shot, thanks
[19:42] <eurythmia> asraniel, unfortunately it doesn't help :/ ... thanks anyways.
[19:45] <w-heat> asraniel: 2 secs and I will type the solution that I did earlier
[19:46] <steve_> hello
[19:47] <w-heat> asraniel: go into KPackageKit. Edit software sources to remove backports. Then, search for "kde" with a filter for "installed only". Remove any entries that reference 4.2.9. Then do sudo apt-get --purge remove kubuntu-desktop;sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop. Backup ~/.kde BEFORE doing this so your settings will be preserved.
[19:48] <asraniel> w-heat: hehe, ok ;-) now i only have to explain that to my girlfriend over icq and the problem is solved ;-)
[19:48] <steve_> lawl
[19:58] <herpex> first day kde user here. I'm looking to change appearance how would I do so? destop right click appearance isnt what I need. there has to be something better. anybody can help?
[20:00] <Gargoyle76> is there a bitpim channel I can get help on?
[20:04] <herpex> first day kde user here. I'm looking to change appearance how would I do so? destop right click appearance isnt what I need. there has to be something better. anybody can help?
[20:06] <Quintasan> herpex: what you want to change?
[20:13] <herpex> Quintasan:  icons, color schemes etc
[20:13] <Quintasan> herpex: System Settings
[20:15] <herpex> Quintasan: thanks buddy
[20:15] <Quintasan> np :)
[20:31] <Gargoyle76> Quintasan: Do you know of any bitpim  irc's?
[20:31] <Quintasan> Gargoyle76: nope
[20:31] <babs> hello
[20:32] <Gargoyle76> Quintasan: thx
[20:34] <asraniel> ok, i still got a small problem. i upgraded my computer to kde 4.3 beta2, worked quite ok (was a little tricky, but worked in the end). but my gf's computer is stuck with a few unresolved dependencies
[20:34] <FeasibilityStudy> Anyone know when KDE 4.2.3 or 4.2.4 will be stable in Kubuntu?  Anyone using it now?
[20:34] <asraniel> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade tells me to use sudo apt-get install -f, is this a good or a bad advice?
[20:35] <Pici> Aradiv: good advice
[20:35] <Quintasan> FeasibilityStudy: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2.4
[20:38] <tablet> hey all i am currently stuck trying to acess my xorg.conf file does anyone know the command for terminal?
[20:40] <genii> tablet: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf                      or from Konsole to edit it from Kate: kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:40] <tablet> thanks
[20:42] <FeasibilityStudy> Quintasan is it supposed to automatically update to KDE 4.2.4?  I added the repo and did a reload but nothing.
[20:42] <Quintasan> FeasibilityStudy: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[20:43] <FeasibilityStudy> thanks
[20:52] <Guest19783> It seems I am going to need to do a backup and a clean install.  Will I need the alternate iso to deal with nvidia?
[20:59] <Guest19783> who
[20:59] <compilerwriter> ls
[20:59] <compilerwriter> anyone here?
[21:00] <Quintasan> compilerwriter: you'd better ask your question, when someone knows he/she will answer you
[21:01] <handy_> Hi an alle benoetige ,al hilfe
[21:01] <compilerwriter> It seems I am going to need to do a backup and a clean install. Will I need the alternate iso to deal with nvidia
[21:01] <compilerwriter> I'm used to this channel being a bit more lively.
[21:02] <Quintasan> compilerwriter: I don't think you will need alternate cd to install nvidia drivers
[21:02] <genii> compilerwriter: Since the nvidia drivers are proprietary stuff they won't get installed by default from any cd you use, alternate or otherwise.
[21:02] <handy_> I#ve got problem with display if i start a game display is black
[21:02] <Quintasan> compilerwriter: just backup and do a clean install, ofc you will need a internet connection
[21:02] <jared555> is there a standard location for root ssl certificates or does each browser/application need to have it imported separately?
[21:02] <ikonia> compilerwriter: the alternative cd has the same kernel/modules as the other cd's
[21:03] <compilerwriter> thanks quintasan.  I was hoping not. I have the internet connection.
[21:03] <ikonia> jared555: the browser has a path built into it at compile time, it can be changed in the config of most browsers or manually updated
[21:03] <jared555> well by default with kubuntu is everything pointed to a certain path?
[21:03] <ikonia> jared555: it will be pointed to a specific path yes
[21:03] <compilerwriter> I have had to use the alternate cd in the past.  I just wasn't sure.  I will need to run the live cd to do the backups and then I will do a clean install with it.
[21:04] <jared555> ikonia: I meant by default is everything pointed to a single path, or does each application have it's own
[21:04] <compilerwriter> Either my hard drive is taking a crap on me or I installed a bad update or something.
[21:04] <ikonia> jared555: very few applications will use SSL certificates
[21:05] <ikonia> compilerwriter: should be fine
[21:05] <compilerwriter> I started having problems when I installed yet another desktop environment on top of the gnome and kde I had.  Then I started getting really weird bootup errors.
[21:06] <TheGrammarFreak> What do I need to install to play dvd's?
[21:06] <khije> sdddf
[21:07] <ikonia> !dvd > TheGrammarFreak
[21:07] <genii> khije: We see you.
[21:19] <jairo> j
[21:23] <Guest21978> Can anyone tell me how to launch "find files and folders" in KDE?  Kubuntu does not have this in the menu, like most distros do.  How do I launch it from the command line?
[21:24] <JontheEchidna> Guest21978: kfind
[21:24] <JontheEchidna> alternately you can press crtl + f in dolphin
[21:24] <Guest21978> Someone should report this as a bug..It should be in the menu
[21:28] <Peace-> Guest21978:  CTRL + F
[21:28] <Peace-> Guest21978:  with konqueror on a folder
[21:28] <Peace-> Guest21978: sudo updatedb && locate FILE | grep filter
[21:46] <neoandersen> Yay!
[21:48] <snarkfish> anyone got any news on ZFS?
[21:48] <snarkfish> is it going to be implimented in the next release?
[21:49] <mgl> ando perdido alguien habla espannol?
[21:51] <oobe> mgl !es
[21:51] <oobe> !es mgl
[21:51] <oobe> !es
[21:52] <mgl> tks
[21:55] <lorecaster> Hi, i've got a question about printers... I've set up a samba server to the printer on my windows printer-server... and i'm trying to set it up to print through the samba share... it picks up the printer fine, but it still asks for drivers. the printer (canon) does not have drivers for linux... i thought that i could install it this way to my linux-box...
[21:57] <Serpardum> My screen is not refreshing right and I don't know why
[21:57] <Serpardum> there is some.. invisible looking window that messes up my windows
[21:57] <Serpardum> and teh window doesn't refresh right unless I like move it off the screen and back on to force refresh
[21:59] <lorecaster> and the print-share was varified to be working
[22:03] <snarkfish> lorecaster: are you sharing a windows printer or a linux printer?
[22:03] <Guest25154> how long does it take the live cd to load?
[22:04] <lorecaster> the printer is attached to a windows XP machine... which is shared via samba to my ubuntu 9.04 box... which is driverless for this printer
[22:04] <snarkfish> Guest25154: not long why?
[22:04] <snarkfish> lorecaster: have you googled your printer and linux to see if a printer driver has been created?
[22:04] <compilerwriter> It seems to be taking forever on my box.  I wonder if the iso got corrupted?
[22:04] <lorecaster> it does nto appear here (http://openprinting.org/printer_list.cgi)
[22:05] <snarkfish> i dont usually print to a windows machine just to a linux machine.
[22:05] <lorecaster> and is NO WHERE that i can find... but I had been given the impression that by doing it this way... i could get around some of the linux-drivers that i cannot acquire.
[22:05] <snarkfish> have you tried to raw print and let the windows box make heads or tails out of it
[22:05] <lorecaster> i'd RATHER feed the printer directly into my main tower
[22:05] <lorecaster> how would i go about that, snarkfish?
[22:06] <snarkfish> in selecting the printer on your linux box choose raw
[22:06] <lorecaster> done
[22:06] <lorecaster> won't let me print a test page, opening OOo3.1 and printing a test-page there... cross fingers :D
[22:07] <compilerwriter> for some reason the live cd defaulted to a console login?
[22:07] <lorecaster> when i hit print, i get the popup (print job 4 has been completed on printer) but nothing happens in the canon print queue on my computer, nor does it actually print off
[22:07] <snarkfish> damaged iso reburn and try again
[22:08] <lorecaster> :(
[22:08] <snarkfish> sorry lorecaster Im no more help toyou
[22:08] <compilerwriter> I have a pointer now that I have typed startx
[22:08] <lorecaster> i appreciate your efforts :) Gods bless you :)
[22:09] <lorecaster> can anyone else throw me a hand?
[22:09] <snarkfish> lorecaster: thank you and you to
[22:10] <snarkfish> lorecaster: what model of printer do you have?
[22:10] <lorecaster> Canon Imageclass d760
[22:10] <tablet> hey all i am dealing with a latitude tablet and i would like to be able to rotate the screen however i dont think the ATI drivers are installed. How do i check to see if they are and if not how do install them?
[22:10] <lorecaster> too gorgeous a machine to scrap
[22:11] <compilerwriter> snarkfish you think I have a damaged iso.
[22:11] <snarkfish> if you got x to start then perhaps not
[22:12] <compilerwriter> well it only sort of started.
[22:12] <snarkfish> what does that mean
[22:12] <lorecaster> the way i understand it... is if i installed a driver for the preceeding printer... just for base-model functionality... it should work.
[22:12] <lorecaster> that's all i need
[22:13] <Serpardum> I thought that find was supposed to find text in files.  It doesn't seem to though?
[22:13] <snarkfish> lorecaster: so what model of your printer is close to a model represented in the printer list?
[22:14] <lorecaster> in the "New Printer; Choose Driver; Select printer from dbase" menu?
[22:14] <snarkfish> uh i guess so
[22:14] <lorecaster> there are no imageCLASS-series printers there... imagerunner is, i tried the base model, 330s, but it still failed
[22:14] <snarkfish> im going to have a smoke break.. brb
[22:16] <Serpardum> oh, grep, not find
[22:18] <snarkfish> ok im back
[22:19] <lorecaster> I noticed that printing with PIXMA-Ip2000 actually showed up as spooling
[22:19] <lorecaster> the first on eyet
[22:24] <compilerwriter> I seem to have at least a console login on my box.  Can someone now help me get a blank cd-r mounted to copy my home directory?
[22:28] <snarkfish> compilerwriter: you dont mount blank media
[22:28] <tablet> hey all, Does anyone know to tell what video card i have on my computer
[22:28] <snarkfish> tablet: use lspci|grep VGA
[22:28] <Shura> lspci | grep VGA
[22:28] <Shura> Arf ^^
[22:29] <tablet> thanks
[22:29] <snarkfish> yup
[22:31] <tablet> Thanks again, now i am attempting to install the drivers for the ati 1250
[22:31] <compilerwriter> snarkfish can you help me with the backup quickly then.  I can't seem to remember the mount commands etc.
[22:32] <snarkfish> are you command line?
[22:32] <compilerwriter> yes I am at the command line.
[22:32] <Shadoze> Does anyone know where the gpg key is for kubuntu backports?
[22:32] <snarkfish> i have no idea how to burn cds from command line
[22:33] <Shadoze> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu < to be more precise
[22:33] <snarkfish> best bet is use a usb thumb drive and just tar your home directory to it
[22:35] <tr_hawk> compilerwriter: cdrecord or cdrdao installed?
[22:36] <compilerwriter> unable to enumerate usb device.
[22:36] <compilerwriter> tr_hawk I am using a live cd to get the machine to boot.
[22:36] <compilerwriter> if it is on the livecd then yes tr_hawk
[22:37] <bdgraue> Shadoze:
[22:37] <bdgraue> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports
[22:39] <bdgraue> Shadoze: have you seen it?
[22:39] <Shadoze> I have, yeah
[22:39] <tr_hawk> compilerwriter: so you got one cdr running the livecd and another cd-burner?
[22:39] <Shadoze> I seem to have two keys missing
[22:39] <compilerwriter> yes tr_hawk
[22:40] <Shadoze> This: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty Release  and GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net  jaunty Release
[22:40] <tr_hawk> compilerwriter: media is ROM or RW?
[22:40] <bdgraue> Shadoze: sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com B0BE17C2A0C914F086B7B8327D2C7A23BF810CD5
[22:40] <bdgraue> Replace B0BE17C2A0C914F086B7B8327D2C7A23BF810CD5 with the fingerprint of the PPA key you're dealing with.
[22:41] <bdgraue> Shadoze: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA#Adding a PPA to your Ubuntu repositories
[22:41] <Shadoze> Yeah i was looking at that
[22:42] <Shadoze> Just trying to find the actual key
[22:43] <bdgraue> Shadoze: i the key is missed, apt-get will tell you which key, you simply can replace it in the line i pasted above
[22:43] <bdgraue> s/i/if
[22:43] <compilerwriter> rw if I am ont mistaken tr_hawk
[22:44] <swatto> hi all, does the xbox 360 controller work without installing drivers?
[22:46] <Shadoze> *oops* sorry misread you, imported the key is all ok now for Kubuntu backports, just seeing if software update is recognising it
[22:46] <compilerwriter> I also seem to have managed an sdcard in its reader tr_hawk
[22:47] <Zorael> (When adding keys with apt-key adv, only the last eight characters are needed to match a key.)
[22:47] <Shadoze> bdgraue: Should i still be getting blocked updates even if all the keys are now correct?
[22:48] <Shadoze> Zorael: I did not know that, thanks
[22:48] <tr_hawk> compiler writer: try "cdrdao scanbus"
[22:48] <bdgraue> sry, dont know
[22:48] <Shadoze> I'll download the updates i can do right now, and see after
[22:50] <compilerwriter> error trying to open /dev/scd0 says it is busy.
[22:51] <compilerwriter> scd0 is probably running the live cd.
[22:53] <Shadoze> Shoot, kpackage kit got to Commiting changes 74%, then declared an unknown error
[22:54] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, what are you trying to update?
[22:54] <compilerwriter> ls
[22:55] <compilerwriter> any ideas tr_hawk
[22:55] <tr_hawk> compilerwriter: SCSI or IDE burner?
[22:56] <Shadoze> ign0ramus: i was grabbing amarok 2.1 and kde 4.2.4 but was having key issues
[22:56] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, and you've now successfully added the keys?
[22:57] <Shadoze> ign0ramus: yeah the keys are fine now, i just found out why i'm having a problem
[22:57] <compilerwriter> ide I think.
[22:57] <compilerwriter> Machine was built back in 2002.
[22:58] <Shadoze> ign0ramus: It would seem im now runnin gkde 4.3 BETA 2 so an "upgrade" to 4.2.4 can;t happen
[22:58] <Shadoze> I thought i was on 4.2.2 all the time, as i never checked
[22:58] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, don't you have to add a special repo to upgrade to 4.3?
[22:59] <Shadoze> I p[robably have done that by accident, hold up
[22:59] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, haha
[22:59] <tr_hawk> compilerwriter: for cdrdao you need to find out the burners device id
[23:00] <compilerwriter> my guess is it is scd1
[23:00] <compilerwriter> how would I do that tr_hawk
[23:00] <compilerwriter> ls
[23:00] <kaddi> hi, as a general question is it possible to uninstall specific updates? assume I didn't like the last mplayer-update.. could I get rid of it?
[23:00] <tr_hawk> compilerwriter: search /var/log/message for CD-ROM: for me it's 2:0:0:0:
[23:01] <Shadoze> heres my sources list
[23:01] <Shadoze> http://paste.ubuntu.com/193013/
[23:01] <tr_hawk> compilerwriter: less /varlog/messages
[23:01] <tr_hawk> compilerwriter: sorry, less /var/log/messages
[23:01] <ign0ramus> kaddi, i think you can install the specific package version that you want, and then 'pin' it
[23:03] <ign0ramus> kaddi, "man apt_preferences"
[23:03] <kaddi> ign0ramus: it's like you can read minds ;)
[23:03] <kaddi> thanks :L)
[23:03] <kaddi> :)
[23:03] <ign0ramus> kaddi, np :)
[23:03] <tr_hawk> compilerwriter: is there an /var/log/messages file on your live system?
[23:04] <compilerwriter> Yes tr_hawk there is.
[23:04] <compilerwriter> I have found something about a SCSI sdb1
[23:05] <tr_hawk> compilerwriter: try:  grep < /var/log/messages "CD-"
[23:05] <compilerwriter> It appears to be talking about my sd reader and the card in it.
[23:07] <tr_hawk> compilerwriter: better want to try the SDcard way? CD-burning from console isn't that easy (mkisofs/growisofs etc)
[23:07] <compilerwriter> the sdcard way works just fine for me.
[23:08] <tr_hawk> compilerwriter: try: mount
[23:08] <compilerwriter> I just want to get my home directory and its email off of it.  Then I will do a fresh install and start over
[23:09] <compilerwriter> what am I looking for tr_hawk
[23:12] <Shadoze> i sense a reinstall on my half :S
[23:13] <snarkfish> server and raid5 array is now online.. yah me
[23:14] <Shadoze> Can anyone answer me this, is it really worth choosing ext4? When i reinstall. I've heard so much down talk about it but at the same time alot of praise, so i'm undecided, anyone care to share there feelings?
[23:15] <snarkfish> i use ext4, its not bad, but im really looking at zfs
[23:16] <Shadoze> However upon reinstall i will be copying over 100gb worth of data, so maybe ext4 is wise?
[23:16] <Shadoze> I've noticed it being alot faster at copying from another partition than ext3
[23:17] <snarkfish> jfs would just blow you away at its speed on large data files.
[23:17] <snarkfish> but if its just a buncha little files then youll not notice and real benefit
[23:17] <snarkfish> and = any
[23:18] <Shadoze> Well this 100gb transfer is only happening once
[23:18] <Shadoze> then the max will be maybe up to 3gb
[23:19] <Shadoze> It's just i was reading a very logn bug report on ext4 and data loss and corruption
[23:19] <snarkfish> oh
[23:19] <Shadoze> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/317781
[23:20] <Shadoze> Even the ext4 developer got involved
[23:21] <Zorael> ext4's delayed write delay is 5 seconds, right?
[23:21] <Shadoze> THink so
[23:21] <ign0ramus> Zorael, no, that's ext3
[23:21] <Shadoze> THough i did use ext4 for about a week, and really did enjoy using it, no problems whatsoever
[23:22] <Zorael> ext4's instead being?
[23:22] <ign0ramus> read here for a good explanation from the developer: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/317781/comments/45
[23:22] <Zorael> I've been using ext4 since the Jaunty beta, had one data loss when I was toying around with a kernel compiled from git and suddenly got a kernel panic.
[23:22] <ign0ramus> Zorael, FTA: "... a newly created file won't hit disk until about 45-150 seconds"
[23:22] <Zorael> My xorg.conf was wiped
[23:25] <Shadoze> Well i cant say ive ever had a power cut on this computer so im giong to go with ext4
[23:27] <Shadoze> whenever there has been a power cut i havn't been on the pc *lukily*
[23:27] <fabio> hi, i'm trying to use the openoffice ppa located at https://launchpad.net/~openoffice-pkgs/+archive/ppa for jaunty, i have added the gpg keys
[23:27] <fabio> but i always get
[23:27] <fabio> W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used.GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty Release: Die folgenden Signaturen waren ungültig: BADSIG 60D11217247D1CFF Launchpad PPA for OpenOffice.org Scribblers
[23:29] <Shadoze> be back soon
[23:29] <Zorael> Shadoze: You could grab a 2.6.30 kernel and mount it with data=alloc_on_commit; http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.ext4/12179
[23:30] <ign0ramus> Zorael, awesome! 2.6.30 final was released today!
[23:31] <Zorael> yeah, I've been using my own that I compiled from git but will definitely recompile it now :3
[23:32] <ign0ramus> Zorael, i wonder if Apparmor works now...
[23:35] <Zorael> ign0ramus: AppArmor needs its own module, right? Is it in the mainline kernel, or is it something custom that Canonical adds?
[23:36] <Zorael> I've seen Tomoyo and SELinux when configuring my kernels, but no apparmor.
[23:36] <ign0ramus> Zorael, i believe it's mainline, which is why the module wouldn't work on my rcX versions
[23:36] <ign0ramus> Zorael, no problems with SELinux?  I do want to try it
[23:37] <Zorael> ign0ramus: Seems a bit difficult to set up, haven't tried it myself yet either.
[23:37] <ign0ramus> Zorael, that and the *tons* of compatibility issues you find by googling, and i'm a little hesitant
[23:38] <ign0ramus> but i'm not hesitant to try out my new kernel and new intel drivers (thanks xorg-edgers!).
[23:38] <ign0ramus> brb
[23:43] <katoda> hi, I have upgraded to KDE 4.3 beta2 and don't know how to change settings of KDM :)
[23:43] <katoda> how do I change to administrator mode?
[23:50] <skierpage> KPackageKit > Software Updates is offering me 4.2.90 updates while reporting that 4.2.4 updates are "blocked" ?!?  Can I tell from which "ppa" these are coming from?  I added a few PPAs in Settings > Edit SOftware Sources for Amarok 2.1, Firefox 3.5, and Thunderbird 3.
[23:50] <katoda> skierpage: software sources for Amarok 2.1 gives you KDE 4.2.90
[23:50] <Dragnslcr> skierpage- take a look at the topic
[23:50] <katoda> remove them if you don't want to use KDE 4.3 beta2
[23:52] <skierpage> katoda, thanks, so what I should uncheck  in "Third-Party Software": "ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports" or "p.l.n/kubuntu-experimental" , or both?
[23:53] <katoda> skierpage: the first one
[23:53] <katoda> skierpage: !topic
[23:53] <katoda> "4.3 beta arriving in Kubuntu Backports PPA (disable if you don't want it)
[23:54] <togetic> anyone here and willing to help me solve the same problem i had yesterday?
[23:54] <togetic> (kdm not logging me into a screen)
[23:54] <togetic> into a WM or DE*
[23:55] <Zorael> togetic: got your package configured yet?=
[23:58] <togetic> Zorael: of course not
[23:59] <togetic> same as before i left
[23:59] <Zorael> togetic: Right. It complained about /usr/sbin/update-openoffice-dicts and wouldn't configure, right?
[23:59] <togetic> and the permissions need to be changed since they must be incorrect if i'm told by kdm that it will attempt to login to root dir since i don't have the proper permissions