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rickspencer3bdmurray: thanks00:29
rickspencer3in fact a work around was there00:29
rickspencer31. create a fresh bug: bug = self.launchpad.bugs[bug.id]00:30
bdmurrayrickspencer3: right that's what I said ;-)00:30
rickspencer32. add a new tag list: bug.tags = bug.tags + ['needs-bug-squad']00:30
rickspencer3and then you can save it00:30
rickspencer3yeah, I guess I was saying "thanks"00:30
bdmurrayokay, you're welcome!00:30
rickspencer3and putting the info here in case other people are interested00:31
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bachi wgrant02:20
wgrantbac: Hi.02:24
wgrantI just realised that Blueprint's UI has been redone, so things might have changed.02:25
bacwgrant: i'm still confused about bug 304627  -- looking at the code a private bug should not be displayed at all02:25
ubottuBug 304627 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/304627 is private02:25
wgrantbac: Let me check on staging.02:25
bacwgrant: ah, ok02:25
bacwgrant: if you can find a representative blueprint please add it to the bug.  otherwise it looks like this is no longer an issue02:25
wgrantbac: Sure. I'll close it if I can't reproduce now.02:26
bac'private bug' *does* appear in the +linkbug page but that's pretty trivial02:26
wgrantbac: ah, yes, the portlet no longer shows up on the main blueprint page. That's the portlet in question, but since it doesn't show up on the main page, it's not important.02:27
bacwgrant: ok, great02:28
wgrantbac: Sorry about that - I forgot about the redesign a couple of months ago.02:28
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wgrantI never got bugmail for my dupe unmarking or comment on bug #378876 a couple of hours ago.03:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 378876 in soyuz "Superseded binaries shown as FULLYBUILT_PENDING" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37887603:39
mwhudsonwgrant: bugmail is lagging03:44
wgrantmwhudson: I got other stuff from around the same time with only 20 minutes of lag in the Received trace.03:49
mwhudsonwgrant: i guess that makes you lucky? :)03:50
mwhudsoni don't know much more than you, IOW03:50
wgrantmwhudson: Heh. OK. I'll wait.03:50
The_TickI'm trying to find all tickets on my project without a milestone, is there a way to do that?04:06
jmlThe_Tick: I don't think there's a way to do that on the UI.04:20
jmlThe_Tick: you might be able to write a script to do so (see https://help.launchpad.net/API)04:20
wgrantThe API for IBugTarget.searchTasks isn't that great.04:21
The_Tickugh04:21
wgrantI can't work out what those two milestone fields do,.04:21
The_Tickthe only thing we're using lp for is a ticket logger04:22
The_Tickand I'm not sure if it's that great for it now04:22
wgrantThe_Tick: It looks like you can order a bug search by milestone.04:22
The_Tickooooh04:22
jmlsearching for "bugs without <thing>" has always been a weakness of Launchpad's IMO.04:22
wgrantWasn't bug search meant to be totally redone for 3.0?04:22
The_Tickok I go to bugs04:22
jmlnot that I know of :)04:23
wgrantThe_Tick: If you go to the bug listing, and order by milestone, you'll find the bugs without a milestone at the end.04:23
jmlwgrant: but hey, the plans are all public: https://dev.launchpad.net/VersionThreeDotO/Bugs04:23
wgrantTo have them appear first, just replace the 'milestone' in the URL with '-milestone'04:23
The_Tickya, I'm trying to find a view with milestones on the results04:23
wgrantThe_Tick: A milestone is shown as a clockish-thing to the right of the summary.04:24
wgrantI'm not sure why they don't show the actual milestone name there.04:24
The_Tickwow, that's lame04:24
The_Tickthanks04:24
wgrantjml: There are a few search things there.04:24
wgrantIncluding customisable columns, which would resolve The_Tick's latest complaint.04:24
wgrantI guess none of them will make it, though.04:25
The_TickI'm used to trac really04:25
The_Tickso just learning what this can and can't do is useful04:25
wgrantI suspect that things it can't do would be considered bugs.04:26
The_Tickwhat's the preferred way to complain nicely? :)04:26
wgranthttps://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+filebug04:26
jmlThe_Tick: also, the launchpad-users list can be a good proving ground for proto-bugs04:27
wgrantThat too.04:27
The_TickI'll just file bugs04:27
The_Tickwe're a small project in the scope of things for you guys04:27
jmlI've been pushing for feature parity with trac for some time now :)04:28
The_Tickdude trac's awesome except for the whole hosting it yourself thing04:28
wgrantHopefully things will improve in a few months when fixes aren't entirely driven by Canonical.04:28
jmloh I don't know about that04:28
The_Tickand if lp used hg we'd use source control on lp too04:28
wgrantIMO Trac really sucks.04:28
The_Tickhow so?04:28
wgrantThe bug tracker seems clunky and generally painful. I'm not quite sure what exactly is wrong with it, though.04:29
The_Tickit is out of the box for end users04:29
jmlit has a couple of really nice things04:29
The_Tickbut then you go get the simpleticket plugin04:29
The_Tickthe roadmap is really the nicest thing04:29
The_Tickand the timeline04:29
wgrantThe timeline is something Launchpad is really lacking.04:29
The_Tickwe really customized it for adium04:29
wgrantIt was a pleasant surprise to find that Google Code had one. It's very useful.04:30
The_Tickya, I have no clue what my growl project on lp is doing without it04:30
The_Tickya, that was the biggest complaint they had04:30
wgrantI imagine you could probably rework the existing karma system to do a timeline in LP.04:30
ajmitchwgrant: karma for a person will only show a limited set of actions, won't it?04:37
ajmitchat least if you're just trying to reconstruct a timeline from karma04:37
wgrantajmitch: It's not currently comprehensive, but it's not too bad. And there are bugs filed about tracking more things.04:39
* ausimage wonders if buildd team member is da house?05:17
ausimageI have an issue building a package on my ppa that DOES build on my box :/05:17
wgrantausimage: perhaps link to the build log?05:25
ausimagehttp://launchpadlibrarian.net/27718971/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.soovee_1.06ppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz05:25
ausimagesorry :S05:25
ausimagewgrant: it says it can't find a file... that does exist and does appear in the local built package05:26
wgrantThat's very probably a bug in the package. Possibly a race of some kind.05:27
wgrantHow were you building it locally?05:27
ausimagedpkg-buildpackage -us -uc05:28
ausimagethats command I used05:29
wgrantThat doesn't count. You need to use pbuilder or sbuild.05:29
ausimageahhh...05:29
wgrantOtherwise you're building in an unclean environment.05:29
wgrantIt might have missing build-dependencies, for example.05:29
spmwgrant: for this newbie builder here. which would you recommend of those two? or 6 of 1... ?05:30
ausimageyeah...05:30
wgrantspm: pbuilder unless you use LVM.05:30
spm'k. ta!05:30
wgrantsbuild is much better and more like what the buildds use (failures will sometimes show up in sbuild and on the buildds, but not in pbuilder), but it's more heavyweight to set up.05:31
ausimagepbuilder... I will look at that tommorrow... and see if that helps05:31
wgrantausimage: I can reproduce the build failure locally in sbuild. Not sure about pbuilder.05:31
wgrantSo, it's not a buildd problem.05:32
wgrantBut let me just have a look for anything obvious.05:32
ausimagek... must be an unclean thing...05:32
wgrantI get the same with just a 'dpkg-buildpackage -b' on my system.05:32
wgrantAhhh.05:32
wgrantI see.05:32
wgrantThe symlinks are borked.05:32
ausimageyeah that was at the back of my mind :/05:33
wgrantwgrant@irranat:/tmp/soovee-1.06ppa2$ ls -l svterm05:33
wgrantlrwxrwxrwx 1 wgrant wgrant 38 2009-06-10 14:32 svterm -> /media/stuff102/DBsite/pbparser/soovee05:33
ausimagewgrant: my packaging skills seem to kill revu too ;)05:34
* ausimage fixes symlinks05:34
wgrantausimage: Impressive. Although that box has a habit of killing itself sometimes...05:35
ausimagereally?05:35
ausimagewgrant: I pushed a new package with the fixed symlinks05:37
* ausimage crosses fingers05:37
* wgrant will check in 3 minutes.05:38
ausimagecool05:38
wgrantWe'll see in a few seconds...05:42
wgrantFailed again.05:42
wgrantSame error.05:42
ausimagewgrant: how can I symlink then ?05:43
wgranter, same issue. There are absolute paths in the symlinks.05:43
wgrantWhat are they meant to link to?05:43
wgrantthe 'soovee' binary in the root of the package?05:43
ausimageI have a single script that can read its name05:44
wgrantln -s soovee svterm05:44
wgrantln -s soovee svview05:44
wgrantHow were you linking them before?05:44
ausimagewith nautilus drag :/05:45
wgrantOh.05:45
* ausimage did the links how you should and pushed a new package 05:47
ausimage*showed05:48
wgrantOK. Let's see how this works.05:48
ausimagewgrant: I checked the dif between nautilus and ln -s *05:49
ausimageapparently nautilus uses the full path... and ln does not05:50
wgrantausimage: ln uses whatever you tell it to - it will use an absolute path if you give it one, which is necessary sometimes.05:50
ausimageahh05:51
wgrantdh_install: soovee-common missing files (debian/tmp/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/soovee_app/pages/*), aborting05:52
wgrantIt installed into python2.6/site-packages, though this is on Karmic...05:52
ausimagehmm not sure why that happened?05:53
jrickSomebody just said05:53
wgrantBut it worked on Jaunty.05:53
wgrantSo possibly some Karmic breakage.05:53
jricksorry about that05:53
wgrantausimage: So, it's fixed!05:53
ausimageit is :)05:54
ausimagecool05:54
ausimagenow if only revu could stomach the package. it may have a chance at karmic, wgrant ;)05:54
wgrantausimage: The first problem with that package is that it's native. That'll not be accepted into Ubuntu.05:55
wgrantBut this is #ubuntu-motu talk.05:55
ausimagenative?05:55
wgrantIt has just a .dsc and .tar.gz, rather than a .dsc, .diff.gz and .orig.tar.gz.05:55
wgrant(and no '-' in the version)05:56
ahnDoes VCSimports from a CVS repository preserve the full history during the import?06:08
wgrantahn: Yes.06:09
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wgrantOne of my launchpadlib scripts died with a 401 at 06:13 UTC - but it worked for the three minutes before that, and works again now.07:58
wgrantI've not touched any of my OAuth tokens lately.07:58
spmwgrant: ~ 45 mins ago right?08:00
wgrantspm: Yes.08:01
spmwgrant: hrm. nothing obvious is showing up. none of the immediate suspects at any rate. :-/08:10
wgrantspm: Damn.08:12
wgrantspm: Should I file a bug, or just hope it doesn't happen again?08:12
spmhmmm. yes.08:13
spmmy heart says file a bug, the head says we don't really have much beyond a transient to work with.08:14
wgrantExactly.08:14
spmhmm. keep an eye out. if you see another soonish (days), get the UTC time and report them both. my 2c.08:15
wgrantSure. Thanks.08:16
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wgrantmwhudson: I finally got that bugmail I asked about.08:35
wgrantnoodles775: In addition to bug #314370, it'd be easier for users to realise they need to select a different distroseries if it used the distroseries version instead of long codename.08:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 314370 in soyuz "Detect the user's ubuntu version and display the corresponding sources.list by default in PPAs" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31437008:38
wgrant'Ubuntu 9.04' is more recognisable and correct than 'The Jaunty Jackalope'08:38
noodles775wgrant: definitely. There's a bug somewhere to re-label distroseries throughout LP...08:39
wgrantnoodles775: What does your 314370 branch do if it can't detect the distroseries? Select the latest one, like is done now?08:46
noodles775wgrant: if the user-agent distroseries doesn't match any of the valid series, yes, it uses the latest distroseries that has sources in the archive.08:48
dhrubaHi, I have installed Ubuntu Server 9.04 with NTP, DHCP, DNS and OpenLDAP on it. I have created a few users through phpLDAPAdmin. But while trying to login from the Ubuntu Client 9.04, it is giving a problem that the Home directory is not present. Again, it is giving that it is ignoring .dmrc file. But even through ls -la I could not find any .dmrc file08:49
wgrantnoodles775: Would it be better to default to nothing instead?08:49
wgrantdhruba: You want #ubuntu, I suspect.08:49
wgrantnoodles775: The detection should get most people, but then people are going to get lazy and forget to change it. Then when the detection fails, they're going to get the wrong packages.08:50
noodles775wgrant: good point... yep, that would be better...08:51
wgrantnoodles775: Shall I file a bug?08:53
noodles775wgrant: yes, that would be great (as the branch has just landed as is). Thanks!08:54
dhrubaHi, I have installed Ubuntu Server 9.04 with NTP, DHCP, DNS and OpenLDAP on it. I have created a few users through phpLDAPAdmin. But while trying to login from the Ubuntu Client 9.04, it is giving a problem that the Home directory is not present. Again, it is giving that it is ignoring .dmrc file. But even through ls -la I could not find any .dmrc file08:55
wgrantnoodles775: Plus it needs new UI changes and review and blah, so it would delay that branch quite a bit...08:55
wgrantdhruba: As i suggested earlier, you want to ask that in #ubuntu - this channel is for Launchpad, not Ubuntu, support.08:55
noodles775wgrant: exactly :)08:55
wgrantnoodles775: Bug #38548509:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 385485 in soyuz "sources.list distroseries on PPA page should have a safer default" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38548509:07
noodles775Cheers wgrant09:07
wgrantbigjools: I just responded to that bug, but why don't you like a few percent of uses with alternate browsers having to select it manually?09:32
maxb08:38 < wgrant> 'Ubuntu 9.04' is more recognisable and correct than 'The Jaunty Jackalope'09:56
maxb08:39 < noodles775> wgrant: definitely. There's a bug somewhere to re-label distroseries throughout LP...09:56
maxbYuck, I'd hate that09:56
maxbI find names vastly more recognizable and memorable than numbers09:56
wgrantmaxb: You're not Joe Average User, though.09:57
wgrantCodenames aren't mentioned in more than a couple of places in releases of Ubuntu.09:57
wgrantThey're not even on the default Firefox home page any more.09:57
noodles775or here http://www.ubuntu.com/10:00
wgrantOr releases.u.c.10:01
* wgrant checks ShipIt CDs.10:01
wgrantNot there, either.10:01
wgrantSo I don't know the codename unless I check sources.list.10:01
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persiaThe codename is also present as part of the .disk/info file on the CDs, and in /etc/lsb-release10:06
wgrantpersia: True, but I think users are even less likely to look there than sources.list.10:15
persiawgrant, I don't expect users to look in either of those places, but I do expect software to do so, and I'm not sure that the software won't present those strings to users.10:15
wgrantpersia: Perhaps.10:16
wgrantBut Ubuntu 9.04 is the official one, so Launchpad should probably use it in user-facing places.10:17
persiaSo, I agree with the general idea that "Ubuntu 9.04" is more recognisable and correct than "Jaunty Jackalope", but I'm unsure that it's accurate to say that the names aren't presented anywhere.10:17
persiaYes, very much so.  I mean to provide data, not to disagree with the intent.10:17
wgrantRight.10:17
* wgrant thwacks Launchpad a bit for mandating authentication at some API URLs and not others.10:52
persiawgrant, Is the auth mandate not consistent with the data collection from the web UI?10:53
wgrantpersia: Hm?10:53
wgrantthey seem to be gratuitously making launchpadlib users authenticate.10:54
wgrantBut a few lines of code later, it all magically works without an OAuth token.10:54
persiawgrant, Ah.  It's the gratuitous bit that I was asking about.  There's a larger and larger amount of information that seems to be user-customised, and I'd expect this to be reflected in the API, so auth would be mandated.10:55
persiaOn the other hand, if the information collected never contains private information, then I suppose that's annoying (or if one can collect the same information without an auth token)10:55
wgrantThe browser UI already makes use of the API anonymously, which is how I realised launchpadlib could too.10:56
persiaAh.10:58
maxbIt is rather irksome that you need to authenticate even to see things that you can screenscrape without a login11:17
mwhudsonwgrant: hurrah11:24
ricemark20i need gwibber 1.0.1, 1.0.2 does not work with twitter client12:37
cumulus007Hi, I was wondering if the translations in Ubuntu get synchronized with Launchpad during the lifetime of a release?12:59
cumulus007and also, will translations from Jaunty be ported to the Karmic branche when there are no changes in the source?13:00
dpmcumulus007: I think you might mean the other way round: translations done through the Launchpad interface are released in Ubuntu regularly through language packs -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TranslatingUbuntu/LanguagePacks13:02
cumulus007hm, so the language packs are being updated during the lifetime of a release?13:03
dpmcumulus007: yes, although for Jaunty we have not had any updates yet13:03
dpmcumulus007: and yes, translations from Jaunty will be ported over to Karmic.13:04
cumulus007okay, that's what I wanted to know :)13:04
dpmgood :)13:06
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ftahi, anyone to consider a request for more space in a PPA? https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/7379115:16
adeuringfta: I have asked our admins to address your request15:17
ftathanks15:17
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ion_Hi16:00
ion_What’s the actual effect of the “affects me too” thing? Is there a public list of people affected by each bug or something like that?16:00
intellectronicaion_: you can only get the list of affected users using the API for now. it's being used when collecting statistics to decide which bugs are most important to work on16:02
ion_Alright16:03
intellectronicathere's still no visible ui for that. when  there will be one, it is likely to be a way of ordering bugs16:03
ion_Wouldn’t the list of subscribers be somewhat equivalent for a rough number of people who have an interest to the bug?16:03
intellectronicaion_: not really. people who have an interest in the bug are the people subscribed to the bug. people affected by the bug are people who actually get the bug on their system16:13
stefanlsdIm looking at launchpadlib.  Is there some documentation what constitutes private data and non-private data?16:15
persiastefanlsd, Loosely put, private data is bugs, teams, blueprints, branches, etc. that have the "private" flag set.16:15
intellectronicastefanlsd: private data is data you can't see :)16:16
intellectronicastefanlsd: there is no general privacy mechanism in launchpad. for bugs, you can set the private attribute of the bug to true, and then only people subscribed to the bug can see it16:17
stefanlsdintellectronica, persia: so - change non-private data - 'The application will be able to access Launchpad on your behalf for reading and changing non-private data.- this would mean the application has access to change anything (bugs, teams, blueprints etc) not marked as private?16:19
* persia defers to someone who actually knows about the internals16:19
intellectronicastefanlsd: basically, launchpadlib, authenticating as you, gets exactly the same permissions you would get working with the web interface16:20
stefanlsdintellectronica: i get that (like launchpadlib wont be able to do something i wouldn't be able to do through the web interface, i suspect the authentication token stuff is to be more restrictive for the application). Although im still not entirely sure what this restricts... i guess the main distinction is read or change. and then private or non-private.16:23
intellectronicastefanlsd: the most important thing to remember is that you get exactly the same permissions using launchpadlib as you do with the web interface. that's all there is to it, really16:24
stefanlsdintellectronica: ok, i can accept that, but then why have this whole token authorization issue?16:25
james_wstefanlsd: the distinction for private/non-private is useful for when you are using someone else's script16:25
james_wyou can choose "non-private" then, and be sure that even if the script is malicious they still couldn't access anything they couldn't access through the web UI authenticated as themselves16:26
james_wthough they may still be able to make changes that they couldn't make as themselves16:26
intellectronicastefanlsd: i don't understand. that's just how it's implemented16:26
stefanlsdok. thanks guys. im gonna play more with it and see if i can understand it better through implementation16:28
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ftaPPA exceeded its size limit (7628.00 of 7120.00 MiB).. again17:38
ftai'm getting tired of this, all my ppas are full :(17:38
ion_Hehe17:39
ftatoo bad for firefox 3.5 b9917:39
elmofta: you should totally ask for a refund17:39
ion_fta: Couldn’t you get the new Firefox directly into karmic?17:41
ftaneeds some staging first17:41
maxbRe the earlier conversation, is it documented anywhere exactly what the API considers "private information"?17:41
ion_Ah, never mind, didn’t think of the ≤jaunty audience.17:41
ftaand i'm still waiting for https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/7379117:41
ftaand bug 38129617:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 381296 in soyuz "PPA max quota is too small" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38129617:43
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ftaRejected: PPA exceeded its size limit (23084.00 of 20480.00 MiB) => boom, chromium out too18:17
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savvasfta: it's just a developer preview, still not out :P18:46
ftasavvas, ??18:46
ftasavvas, it == ?18:46
savvasfta: ah sorry, I was talking about chromium18:47
ftasavvas, yes, it is. but it's the only thing we have for linux, and plenty of people are requesting it, so i provide it in a ppa.. which is full every two days or so18:49
savvasyou're doing a great job by the way :)18:49
ftasavvas, thanks. most people are using PPAs without realizing there's someone working behind the scene to keep the thing alive19:00
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james_wto just install a lazr package or wadllib/launchpadlib do I need buildout, or is that just for development?19:12
mvohello! what can I do about: bzr: ERROR: Directory not empty: "/srv/bazaar.launchpad.net/push-branches/00/00/0c/50/.bzr/repository/lock/gxmtz4db2g.tmp": [Errno 39] Directory not empty19:21
mvonevermind my last bzr question, I think its fine again19:27
Peng_How do you mark a merge proposal as superseded? Will it happen automatically?19:44
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bdmurrayIs there some way to find out the full list (or more than the top 10) of "Other Tags" for Ubuntu?21:25
bdmurraywell viewing the source of +manage-official-tags had it but that seems ghetto21:41
ahnIs there a way to delete an empty bzr branch?21:47
nhandlerahn: Yes, go to https://code.launchpad.net/~USER/PROJECT/BRANCHNAME/+delete21:50
ahnnhandler: Thank you21:58
ahnSecond question: when setting up a sub-project under a super-project, the bug tracking option include "In Launchpad" and "In the Super Project bug tracker (bugs.launchpad.net).  What is the difference?21:59
salgadoahn, looks like a bug in LP to me.  I think it somehow got tricked into thinking that the super project doesn't use Launchpad for bug tracking22:10
salgadoahn, what's the super project in question, btw?22:10
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ahnsalgado: netrek-project22:49
ahnIt seems that there is no way for me to delete a vcs-import branch.22:50
ahnI actually need this branch renamed and assigned to a different subproject.  Do I need to email help@launchpad.net?22:50
salgadoahn, better to ask a question on the URL that's on the topic22:51
salgadothat should be on the topic, at least22:52
salgadoahn, https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion22:52
ahnThank you.  After years of being SF, LP is a bit new.  I will try your link.22:53
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