[00:00] <Viper550> it was either Gutsy or Hardy...
[00:00] <Viper550> however my dad demended Windows back when he discovered that the IM clients (I tried Kopete AND Pidgin) didn't seem to support the Yahoo/WLM interop.
[00:02] <Viper550> nm it was Gutsy
[00:07] <Viper550> yeah it was gutsy, but anyway
[01:32] <Viper550> so the direction for Karmic
[06:45] <AnAnt> Hello, are there any themes for GDM 2.26 ?
[08:36] <thorwil> morning!
[08:37] <SiDi> heya
[08:37] <SiDi> what's up ?
[08:37] <thorwil> macvr, you shouldn't count on that crude perspective thing in inkscape
[08:37] <SiDi> macvr, you should consider not using custom fonts when sending your emails to a list :] it doesnt look sexy at all
[08:38] <thorwil> macvr, you could use the 3d box tool as guide, but ideally you should know hot to draw/construct in perspective manually. do you know about vanishing point perspective, or shall i give you 1 or 2 links?
[08:45] <thorwil> just in case: http://drawsketch.about.com/library/weekly/aa021603a.htm
[08:45] <thorwil> http://www.khulsey.com/student.html
[09:34] <macvr> thorwil: i understand the vanishing points... but the links are useful too... actually i was trying to alter Andrew's folder... didnt want to restart from scratch as i'm toooooo lazy to do that :P
[09:34] <SiDi> my preference goes to a "2D" folder
[09:34] <macvr> SiDi: thats yahoo.. not me...! i sent that mail from yahoo, since i had to dig it out from the older mails
[09:34] <SiDi> it looks much more symetric when you have a lot of folders
[09:35] <SiDi> macvr, go for a good mail client, or mail.google.com :]
[09:35] <macvr> SiDi: u are too old style
[09:35] <thorwil> hardly
[09:35] <macvr> SiDi: i use thunderbird , but this was an old mail, hence
[09:35] <macvr> thorwil: yes he is, just for the folders!
[09:37] <macvr> SiDi: i have nearly 10 mail ids! i use this yahoo for mailing lists , since it allows several disposable address in case i get spammed!
[09:37] <SiDi> i have many addresses too
[09:38] <thorwil> i wonder how that can be worth the effort
[09:38] <SiDi> i just didnt check most for 5+ years
[09:38] <macvr> i use thnderbird.. for keeping them active :P
[09:39] <macvr> thorwil: i just hogged the mail id from several top mail sites, so that i can use my name as the id , rather than  _ _ _ 2k@ /14324 stuff :P
[09:42] <macvr> thorwil: any feedback about the smileys? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions
[09:45] <thorwil> macvr, the 48px sizes seem to have better proportions than the big ones
[09:45] <thorwil> macvr, you should try to tweak the upper curve of the big smile to minimize the jaggedness
[09:46] <macvr> all or any one in particular?
[09:46] <thorwil> all
[09:46] <thorwil> macvr, the closed mouth lines could do with very subtle gradients
[09:46] <macvr> thorwil: that i tried... :( but then i would have had to go more than 1px and it didnt look good
[09:47] <macvr> ^upperlip
[09:47] <macvr> thorwil: which sizes are more frequently used?
[09:47] <macvr> smileys and for the folders?
[09:48] <thorwil> no clue for smilies
[09:48] <macvr> folders?
[09:49] <thorwil> for folders i guess 48 and 22
[09:49] <macvr> ok...
[09:49] <thorwil> well, just take a screenshot of nautilus and check to be sure
[09:50] <macvr> never thought of that^ :)
[09:50] <thorwil> macvr, the smallest of smile-big looks like a different emotion
[09:51] <macvr> i'll see if i can correct that
[09:51] <thorwil> macvr, try a reflected linear gradient on smile-big teeth, white in center, very bright warm-grey to the sides
[09:52] <macvr> in all sizes?
[09:52] <macvr> thorwil: u could have given this idea yday :/
[09:52] <macvr> :P
[09:53] <thorwil> macvr, maybe only down to including 32
[09:58] <macvr> thorwil: http://imagebin.ca/popup/rsFVlgBW.html
[09:59] <thorwil> macvr, a bit less. but even so, i think it's an improvement
[10:00] <macvr> nothing seems possible for that upperline :(, the curve is the prob! will try with a straighter curver
[10:00] <macvr> curve
[10:01] <thorwil> macvr, though, you have to decide if the smilies shall look like printed on a slightly convex surface, or if you want it to appear like the surface itself is modeled to support the emotion
[10:03] <macvr> thorwil: ^i didnt understand
[10:04] <thorwil> macvr, either a print on always the same round object, or similar objects that are shaped, where the "facial" features are not flat
[10:07] <macvr> if i understood u right...> i'm not trying to make the whole smiley as a curve, but only the edges are supposed to be curved, like the button pins ,but he smiley surface is flat.
[10:07] <macvr> thorwil: ^
[10:09] <macvr> thorwil: http://imagebin.ca/popup/QRmTvys.html , adjusted the upper line...also  how is the 16 px now?
[10:16] <thorwil> macvr, i hardly notice a difference on the small one
[10:16] <thorwil> the problem is that the upper lip appears to be horizontal, no curve
[10:17] <macvr> compare to the submissions page, both the imagebin pics are edits
[10:17] <macvr> thorwil: u want the curve for the 16px too?
[10:18] <thorwil> macvr, yes, if you can make it fit in
[10:18] <macvr> that i'm not sure is going to be posible :(
[10:19] <macvr> at that scale getting so many curves was tough
[15:43] <SiDi> macvr, you should read about indicator-applet ;)
[15:43] <SiDi> thunderbird will likely use indicator-applet asa someone patches it. it shouldnt use notify-osd as the biggest part of canonical's effort has been to prevent apps from using it for such information
[18:11] <macvr> SiDi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD/Compatibility-Post904 ... notify-osd includes thunderbird. also i do know that the patch is what they are waiting for but when do they expect it was my question? links for the indicator applet?
[18:13] <macvr> SiDi: also i'v read the notify-osd too many times ... but not able to find the indicator applet wiki
[18:18] <SiDi> i dont think there is a page for indicator-applet yet
[18:23] <macvr> SiDi: then how do i read about it :P ...
[18:24] <macvr> SiDi: this was what i found a long time ago >https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MessagingMenu/ < but it has no mention about thunderbird...
[18:25] <macvr> SiDi: also what did u think they had the email icon in the notify-osd for?  :P