| bodhizazen | we do not have many "tools" in place such as governance , membership, etc | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| bodhizazen | we really need to start having meetings and putting those things in place | 00:00 |
| pwnguin | thats an area where you can probably help out a lot | 00:01 |
| bodhizazen | Since we are young, a lot of damage can be done on this channel when people claim to speak for this team | 00:01 |
| pwnguin | you dont nessecarily need to dictate decisions | 00:02 |
| pwnguin | but building a schedule | 00:02 |
| pwnguin | and team agenda | 00:02 |
| bodhizazen | Well, that is not really my nature, to dictate how the team will run | 00:02 |
| pwnguin | and making sure things are happening | 00:02 |
| pwnguin | can do a lot | 00:02 |
| bodhizazen | Everyone will claim to be acting in the interest of the team | 00:02 |
| bodhizazen | With that in mind , I saw a lot of potential damage with the discussion with dlinda | 00:03 |
| bodhizazen | Vantrax|Work: I suggest we identify team members with voice in this channle | 00:04 |
| pwnguin | dlinda == dinda? | 00:04 |
| bodhizazen | yea, sorry | 00:04 |
| bodhizazen | at any rate , it is one thing to have internal discussions / debates on how to run / manage this team | 00:04 |
| bodhizazen | and quite another to act as an "ambassador" with other teams | 00:04 |
| Vantrax|Work | yes bodhi | 00:05 |
| Vantrax|Work | and have board as ops | 00:05 |
| bodhizazen | we need to discuss how one becomes a member of the team as well :) | 00:05 |
| pwnguin | im not sure who dinda is exactly | 00:05 |
| pwnguin | i think she's canonical staff? | 00:05 |
| bodhizazen | So if somebody comes from another team , Canonical, MOTU, Wiki, whatever | 00:06 |
| bodhizazen | we need to welcome them and work with them please | 00:06 |
| bodhizazen | yes | 00:06 |
| bodhizazen | dinda is our primary contact with Cannonical | 00:06 |
| bodhizazen | she is the one I have been working with (and others) to point learn.ubuntu.com to my server | 00:07 |
| bodhizazen | So let us say for example somebody comes from the MOTU , with me so far ? | 00:07 |
| bodhizazen | Our goal is to work with them | 00:08 |
| bodhizazen | If they have concerns with licensing, we need to make our best effort to resolve their concerns | 00:08 |
| pwnguin | collaboration is part of the code of conduct | 00:08 |
| bodhizazen | Now, we will not be able to please everybody all the time, granted | 00:09 |
| bodhizazen | but let us put forth a bit of effort to please as many people as possible | 00:09 |
| Vantrax|Work | indeed | 00:10 |
| Vantrax|Work | once we settle the licensing issue internally we can talk to the teams | 00:10 |
| pwnguin | it would probably help if people came prepared with specific resolutions to vote on | 00:11 |
| bodhizazen | I suggest "education" | 00:11 |
| bodhizazen | I am willing to bet not everyone who considers themselves a team member knows the issues | 00:12 |
| bodhizazen | I suggest in providing education we start with "unbiased facts" as much as possible | 00:12 |
| bodhizazen | ie a direct link to license for example ;) | 00:13 |
| bodhizazen | I do believe that on such contentious issues compromise is possible and I highly doubt there is a "perfect license" for this project | 00:15 |
| bodhizazen | Now we could take up a collection and hire a lawyer to draw one up, no doubt | 00:15 |
| dthacker | Wow, that was a lot of backscroll to read. | 00:16 |
| pwnguin | heh | 00:16 |
| bodhizazen | Vantrax|Work: and cprofit have proposed what seem like reasonable compromises on licensing and we need to support such comprise :) | 00:17 |
| bodhizazen | IMO it is counter productive for team members to promote extreme or uncompromising points of view | 00:19 |
| bodhizazen | Clearly such an extreme view is unlikely to be adopted by this project, let alone enable us to work fluidly with other projects | 00:20 |
| pwnguin | i dont think i ever saw any concrete views | 00:20 |
| pwnguin | what is this extreme view you speak of? | 00:20 |
| bodhizazen | I seem to recall doctormo threatenign to leave the project unless the license was -NC | 00:21 |
| pwnguin | uh | 00:21 |
| pwnguin | quite the opposite | 00:21 |
| bodhizazen | If you really want I can pull the quote | 00:21 |
| pwnguin | i recall him declaring he woudln't support a -NC mandate | 00:22 |
| bodhizazen | Ah, well that is the extreem position then :) | 00:22 |
| pwnguin | so the "extreme" position is "some stuff can be CC-BY-SA" | 00:22 |
| pwnguin | and this is unlikely to be adopted? | 00:23 |
| bodhizazen | um no | 00:23 |
| bodhizazen | that is not what doctormo said is it ? | 00:23 |
| bodhizazen | That is what Vantrax|Work said | 00:24 |
| Vantrax|Work | err | 00:25 |
| pwnguin | from what i see, he quoted a webpage, and thought it was mistaken | 00:25 |
| Vantrax|Work | The licencing will be CC-BY-SA where possible, but some items will be CC-BY-NC-SA because we dont create them | 00:25 |
| bodhizazen | link to log and I will pull it | 00:25 |
| Vantrax|Work | we will have to update the page when we can get everyone together to agree on this | 00:26 |
| Vantrax|Work | we need a meeting where we can get most of us there. | 00:26 |
| pwnguin | http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/06/09/%23ubuntu-learning.html | 00:26 |
| bodhizazen | doctormoIf it's NC I will withdraw, because I don't intend for my work to be abused. | 00:29 |
| bodhizazen | doctormoI intent to not have materials subject to limitations that are not right and not future proof. | 00:30 |
| pwnguin | i think he's right | 00:30 |
| pwnguin | if i put a course on ubuntu-learning | 00:30 |
| bodhizazen | he will need to compromise and abide by the decision of this project, which looks like | 00:31 |
| bodhizazen | Vantrax|WorkThe licencing will be CC-BY-SA where possible, but some items will be CC-BY-NC-SA because we dont create them | 00:31 |
| pwnguin | bodhizazen: you're missing some context here | 00:31 |
| bodhizazen | :)\ | 00:31 |
| pwnguin | it kinda looked like dinda was asserting -nc as a requirement | 00:31 |
| bodhizazen | well, I do not really want to cut and paste the entire conversation | 00:31 |
| bodhizazen | besides, I think this issue is between doctormo and "the project" | 00:32 |
| bodhizazen | and not something we should be discussing further | 00:33 |
| bodhizazen | without him | 00:33 |
| pwnguin | what i was saying was, if i put up a course on ubuntu moodle, and later took a job with the instructional side of this college | 00:35 |
| pwnguin | teaching linux | 00:35 |
| Vantrax|Work | you could use the materials as 'added reading' but not as your course | 00:35 |
| pwnguin | could i import the course into blackboard? | 00:35 |
| Vantrax|Work | that is if it was NC | 00:36 |
| Vantrax|Work | but as its CC-BY-SA you could just import it into blackboard with a link back | 00:36 |
| bodhizazen | Or you can make your own personal web site and do with it as you wish. | 00:37 |
| Vantrax|Work | Ill talk with dinda when she comes around next about this, little bit of misunderstanding all round I think | 00:37 |
| pwnguin | depending on whether -NC is on there, who owns the copyright, and what modifications have been made | 00:38 |
| bodhizazen | I do believe you "give up" some "rights" when you publish on a public web site you do not own. | 00:38 |
| bodhizazen | Not that I know the details mind you ;) | 00:39 |
| pwnguin | usually you give them non-exclusive rights to reproduce | 00:39 |
| pwnguin | not ownership | 00:39 |
| pwnguin | otherwise canonical owns a lot of code hosted in launchpad | 00:39 |
| bodhizazen | Well, it would depend on the site I believe | 00:39 |
| bodhizazen | Some sites are probably more restrictive then others | 00:41 |
| Vantrax|Work | okies, im off to a meeting for the next two hours | 00:56 |
| Vantrax|Work | sent me msg if you want me | 00:56 |
| Vantrax|Work | ill check in when i get back | 00:56 |
| bodhizazen | night everyone :) | 03:23 |
| bodhizazen | cprofitt: nice work :) | 03:23 |
| bodhizazen | I hope to have a new test server back up soon | 03:24 |
| cprofitt | nice work? | 03:24 |
| bodhizazen | yes, no the course | 03:24 |
| bodhizazen | I looked at it today | 03:24 |
| cprofitt | the three courses - got ya | 03:24 |
| cprofitt | those all are CC courses -- not ones I made | 03:24 |
| bodhizazen | I looked @ gimp and OOO | 03:24 |
| cprofitt | I will be making one on UFW as an example | 03:24 |
| bodhizazen | well, you uploaded ? | 03:25 |
| cprofitt | and it will tie in with the UFW wiki | 03:25 |
| cprofitt | yes, I uploaded all three courses currently on the site | 03:25 |
| Vantrax|Work | aww missed dindia | 05:17 |
| Vantrax | hey dinda | 23:32 |
| dinda | howdy | 23:33 |
| Vantrax | did you get the email I sent back earlier? | 23:51 |
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