[00:00] we do not have many "tools" in place such as governance , membership, etc [00:00] we really need to start having meetings and putting those things in place [00:01] thats an area where you can probably help out a lot [00:01] Since we are young, a lot of damage can be done on this channel when people claim to speak for this team [00:02] you dont nessecarily need to dictate decisions [00:02] but building a schedule [00:02] and team agenda [00:02] Well, that is not really my nature, to dictate how the team will run [00:02] and making sure things are happening [00:02] can do a lot [00:02] Everyone will claim to be acting in the interest of the team [00:03] With that in mind , I saw a lot of potential damage with the discussion with dlinda [00:04] Vantrax|Work: I suggest we identify team members with voice in this channle [00:04] dlinda == dinda? [00:04] yea, sorry [00:04] at any rate , it is one thing to have internal discussions / debates on how to run / manage this team [00:04] and quite another to act as an "ambassador" with other teams [00:05] yes bodhi [00:05] and have board as ops [00:05] we need to discuss how one becomes a member of the team as well :) [00:05] im not sure who dinda is exactly [00:05] i think she's canonical staff? [00:06] So if somebody comes from another team , Canonical, MOTU, Wiki, whatever [00:06] we need to welcome them and work with them please [00:06] yes [00:06] dinda is our primary contact with Cannonical [00:07] she is the one I have been working with (and others) to point learn.ubuntu.com to my server [00:07] So let us say for example somebody comes from the MOTU , with me so far ? [00:08] Our goal is to work with them [00:08] If they have concerns with licensing, we need to make our best effort to resolve their concerns [00:08] collaboration is part of the code of conduct [00:09] Now, we will not be able to please everybody all the time, granted [00:09] but let us put forth a bit of effort to please as many people as possible [00:10] indeed [00:10] once we settle the licensing issue internally we can talk to the teams [00:11] it would probably help if people came prepared with specific resolutions to vote on [00:11] I suggest "education" [00:12] I am willing to bet not everyone who considers themselves a team member knows the issues [00:12] I suggest in providing education we start with "unbiased facts" as much as possible [00:13] ie a direct link to license for example ;) [00:15] I do believe that on such contentious issues compromise is possible and I highly doubt there is a "perfect license" for this project [00:15] Now we could take up a collection and hire a lawyer to draw one up, no doubt [00:16] Wow, that was a lot of backscroll to read. [00:16] heh [00:17] Vantrax|Work: and cprofit have proposed what seem like reasonable compromises on licensing and we need to support such comprise :) [00:19] IMO it is counter productive for team members to promote extreme or uncompromising points of view [00:20] Clearly such an extreme view is unlikely to be adopted by this project, let alone enable us to work fluidly with other projects [00:20] i dont think i ever saw any concrete views [00:20] what is this extreme view you speak of? [00:21] I seem to recall doctormo threatenign to leave the project unless the license was -NC [00:21] uh [00:21] quite the opposite [00:21] If you really want I can pull the quote [00:22] i recall him declaring he woudln't support a -NC mandate [00:22] Ah, well that is the extreem position then :) [00:22] so the "extreme" position is "some stuff can be CC-BY-SA" [00:23] and this is unlikely to be adopted? [00:23] um no [00:23] that is not what doctormo said is it ? [00:24] That is what Vantrax|Work said [00:25] err [00:25] from what i see, he quoted a webpage, and thought it was mistaken [00:25] The licencing will be CC-BY-SA where possible, but some items will be CC-BY-NC-SA because we dont create them [00:25] link to log and I will pull it [00:26] we will have to update the page when we can get everyone together to agree on this [00:26] we need a meeting where we can get most of us there. [00:26] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/06/09/%23ubuntu-learning.html [00:29] doctormo If it's NC I will withdraw, because I don't intend for my work to be abused. [00:30] doctormo I intent to not have materials subject to limitations that are not right and not future proof. [00:30] i think he's right [00:30] if i put a course on ubuntu-learning [00:31] he will need to compromise and abide by the decision of this project, which looks like [00:31] Vantrax|Work The licencing will be CC-BY-SA where possible, but some items will be CC-BY-NC-SA because we dont create them [00:31] bodhizazen: you're missing some context here [00:31] :)\ [00:31] it kinda looked like dinda was asserting -nc as a requirement [00:31] well, I do not really want to cut and paste the entire conversation [00:32] besides, I think this issue is between doctormo and "the project" [00:33] and not something we should be discussing further [00:33] without him [00:35] what i was saying was, if i put up a course on ubuntu moodle, and later took a job with the instructional side of this college [00:35] teaching linux [00:35] you could use the materials as 'added reading' but not as your course [00:35] could i import the course into blackboard? [00:36] that is if it was NC [00:36] but as its CC-BY-SA you could just import it into blackboard with a link back [00:37] Or you can make your own personal web site and do with it as you wish. [00:37] Ill talk with dinda when she comes around next about this, little bit of misunderstanding all round I think [00:38] depending on whether -NC is on there, who owns the copyright, and what modifications have been made [00:38] I do believe you "give up" some "rights" when you publish on a public web site you do not own. [00:39] Not that I know the details mind you ;) [00:39] usually you give them non-exclusive rights to reproduce [00:39] not ownership [00:39] otherwise canonical owns a lot of code hosted in launchpad [00:39] Well, it would depend on the site I believe [00:41] Some sites are probably more restrictive then others [00:56] okies, im off to a meeting for the next two hours [00:56] sent me msg if you want me [00:56] ill check in when i get back [03:23] night everyone :) [03:23] cprofitt: nice work :) [03:24] I hope to have a new test server back up soon [03:24] nice work? [03:24] yes, no the course [03:24] I looked at it today [03:24] the three courses - got ya [03:24] those all are CC courses -- not ones I made [03:24] I looked @ gimp and OOO [03:24] I will be making one on UFW as an example [03:25] well, you uploaded ? [03:25] and it will tie in with the UFW wiki [03:25] yes, I uploaded all three courses currently on the site [05:17] aww missed dindia [23:32] hey dinda [23:33] howdy [23:51] did you get the email I sent back earlier? === Vantrax is now known as Vantrax|Work