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| rayChang | /clear | 11:46 |
| rayChang | (행동) | 11:47 |
| * mvo looks around | 15:58 | |
| * liw looks around | 15:58 | |
| * robbiew waves | 15:58 | |
| robbiew | I got 1 minute! | 15:59 |
| slangasek | morning | 15:59 |
| cjwatson | hi | 15:59 |
| robbiew | #startmeeting | 16:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is robbiew. | 16:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 16:00 |
| robbiew | hi liw: mvo: slangasek: cjwatson: | 16:00 |
| mvo | hi | 16:00 |
| robbiew | Keybuk: around? done crying about your iPhone :P | 16:00 |
| Keybuk | ;) | 16:01 |
| mvo | what happend to it? | 16:01 |
| robbiew | Agenda: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2009/0610#Agenda | 16:01 |
| robbiew | james_w: awake? | 16:01 |
| james_w | aye aye | 16:02 |
| mterry | hi | 16:02 |
| robbiew | mterry: howdy | 16:02 |
| robbiew | last one in takes dmraid | 16:03 |
| robbiew | lol | 16:03 |
| Keybuk | mvo: nothing interesting, just told me it had core dumped | 16:03 |
| james_w | heh | 16:03 |
| robbiew | doko: you joining..or just listening :) | 16:03 |
| * evand1 knocks over everyone in his path to the entrance | 16:03 | |
| al-maisan | robbiew: interesting management technique ;) | 16:04 |
| robbiew | thanks for taking dmraid evand1 :P | 16:04 |
| doko | robbiew: joining | 16:04 |
| robbiew | okay...let's go! | 16:04 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] DMRaid | 16:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: DMRaid | 16:04 |
| robbiew | TheMuso can't take it to Desktop...so I need someone to take it | 16:05 |
| mterry | Why is it so scary? Just needs special hardware? | 16:05 |
| cjwatson | ok, so | 16:05 |
| robbiew | yeah | 16:05 |
| liw | as I understand it the hardware is pretty common (part of the usual intel motherboard chipsets that lots of people have) | 16:05 |
| cjwatson | dmraid is a system for dealing with low-end hardware raid - but it's not using a proper raid controller, it's basically done in the bios | 16:06 |
| robbiew | well..it's software raid, so I don't think it's that special | 16:06 |
| cjwatson | the reason it's a bit scary is that (a) the hardware is nasty (b) the software is nasty | 16:06 |
| robbiew | heh | 16:06 |
| robbiew | TheMuso is willing to help whomever takes it over get up to speed | 16:06 |
| doko | nasty + nasty = scary ? | 16:06 |
| * slangasek doesn't have the hardware here | 16:06 | |
| liw | I have the chipset on my desktop machine, but I want to use that machine, and I am not sacrificing its hard disks to dmraid :P | 16:06 |
| Keybuk | and (c) scott keeps changing things underneath you | 16:07 |
| mterry | How do i know if I have the right hardware? | 16:07 |
| cjwatson | it basically occupies an uncomfortable halfway house between proper hardware raid and mdadm | 16:07 |
| liw | Keybuk, which Scott? :) | 16:07 |
| cjwatson | however, dmraid *mostly* works now; the main thing that's missing is that IIRC the desktop installer doesn't yet deal with it | 16:07 |
| mterry | I'm sure I could appropriate some of the OEM hardware, if we have matching stuff | 16:07 |
| cjwatson | but of course it needs maintenance, and I understand that the userspace side is being integrated into mdadm at some point | 16:07 |
| liw | mterry, TheMuso gave the specs in a previous meeting, but I can't find it now | 16:07 |
| cjwatson | every bios vendor has their own flavour of it so there's a certain amount of whack-a-mole involved | 16:08 |
| robbiew | mterry: the only issue with you taking it...is when you go back to OEM next cycle | 16:08 |
| robbiew | unless you want to keep it :) | 16:08 |
| cjwatson | take it, fix it, document it, leave it? :) | 16:08 |
| mterry | robbiew: But then doko comes back for it, right? I thought it was doko's baby. Maybe I'm misremembering | 16:08 |
| liw | robbiew, that's not an issue, that's "distributing knowledge around the company" | 16:08 |
| robbiew | mterry: no..TheMuso's | 16:08 |
| mterry | Ah | 16:08 |
| cjwatson | certainly anyone taking it ought to have the relevant hardware, if only because that provides an incentive to make it work well | 16:08 |
| robbiew | right | 16:09 |
| * doko is handling over glibc to mterry | 16:09 | |
| cjwatson | but I imagine there's some company hardware somewhere with it, as you say | 16:09 |
| robbiew | I also imagine that I could find some from the server team...since we are doing it for them in many ways | 16:09 |
| cjwatson | IIRC there hasn't been a lot of Ubuntu community interest in it unfortunately | 16:09 |
| cjwatson | (if I'm wrong, sorry, no slight intended) | 16:10 |
| robbiew | maybe we try giving it back to the server team....though I don't have much hope in them taking it | 16:10 |
| Keybuk | raid sounds very servery ;) | 16:11 |
| mterry | Well, if I'm not suitable, maybe OEM could give up some hardware to someone else, if people are worried about frying their stuff | 16:11 |
| liw | dmraid does not sound very servery to me ;-) | 16:11 |
| * soren concurs with liw :) | 16:11 | |
| cjwatson | server people hate dmraid because it's cheap | 16:11 |
| evand1 | I'm slightly confused by this being driven by the server team but the last missing piece being integration in ubiquity. | 16:12 |
| mterry | Everything we have is Intel, and we've got old netbooks | 16:12 |
| cjwatson | it's something hot-rod machines sold to gamers use | 16:12 |
| cjwatson | anyway, I think it'd be cool for mterry to do it personally | 16:12 |
| robbiew | cjwatson: okay | 16:12 |
| * liw votes for mterry | 16:12 | |
| mterry | Again, it's not clear I have the hardware. Will have to talk to TheMuso | 16:12 |
| robbiew | but we'll need to figure out a plan for post-mterry :) | 16:12 |
| robbiew | ok | 16:13 |
| robbiew | [ACTION] mterry to talk to TheMuso about dmraid | 16:13 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: mterry to talk to TheMuso about dmraid | 16:13 |
| mterry | I assume we're obligated to love it? | 16:13 |
| mterry | Like, we can't just kick it to universe and wipe our hands? | 16:13 |
| robbiew | yes...but I can't remember why....cjwatson? | 16:13 |
| slangasek | I'd be willing to take it, but the company would need to get me a gaming rig^W^W test machine | 16:13 |
| robbiew | heh | 16:14 |
| evand1 | heh | 16:14 |
| cjwatson | largely because lots of real hardware uses it and people get upset when Ubuntu doesn't work right on it | 16:14 |
| * ogra puts a "i love hot rods" sticker on mterry's back | 16:14 | |
| cjwatson | if we aren't dmraid-aware, then if you try to install Ubuntu alongside e.g. an existing Windows installation, then it trashes your Windows installation for you | 16:14 |
| ogra | (with lots of flames) | 16:14 |
| robbiew | ah...right | 16:14 |
| cjwatson | since it desyncs the multiple disks | 16:14 |
| robbiew | I recall TheMuso mentioning tht | 16:14 |
| robbiew | that | 16:14 |
| mterry | cjwatson: Ah. That just needs marketing as a feature, not a bug. But good point | 16:14 |
| * Keybuk hides the Alienware logo on his desktop | 16:14 | |
| slangasek | "just" :) | 16:15 |
| robbiew | mterry: I guess just chat with TheMuso later today and let me know if you can do it...thnks | 16:15 |
| mterry | robbiew: OK | 16:16 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] Karmic Roadmap | 16:16 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Karmic Roadmap | 16:16 |
| robbiew | http://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuPlatform/Foundations/9.10 | 16:16 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuPlatform/Foundations/9.10 | 16:16 |
| plars | https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&zx=1bwv90j2o1its&shva=1#inbox | 16:16 |
| robbiew | I still need to put in the Medium and Lows...and move over to ubuntu.com | 16:16 |
| robbiew | plars: ???? | 16:16 |
| robbiew | It's becoming clear as I populate the list...that there's NO way we can deliver all this | 16:17 |
| robbiew | at least, in my opinion | 16:17 |
| james_w | put in the medium and lows?! | 16:17 |
| mterry | Heh | 16:17 |
| doko | can we add e?glibc-2.10 to the roadmap? | 16:17 |
| robbiew | no | 16:17 |
| robbiew | heh | 16:18 |
| plars | robbiew: sorry, misfire | 16:18 |
| doko | robbiew: do you want to stick with 2.9 for karmic? | 16:18 |
| robbiew | doko: are you saying glibc or eglibc? | 16:19 |
| slangasek | robbiew: do you want multiarch on there as a 'low'? :) | 16:19 |
| Keybuk | robbiew: the swap file stuff has two parts | 16:19 |
| Keybuk | a boot part and an installer part | 16:19 |
| doko | robbiew: parse it as an extended regexp ;) | 16:19 |
| robbiew | slangasek: whatever the blueprint says | 16:20 |
| * robbiew forgot to put that in...like i said, it's not done | 16:20 | |
| robbiew | Keybuk: right...okay | 16:20 |
| cjwatson | the installer part's pretty trivial - I'd be happy for us to do that bit without splitting up the blueprint | 16:20 |
| mterry | I don't see copyright stuff on that list. Was that not us? | 16:20 |
| doko | slangasek: maybe delay that after debconf? | 16:20 |
| robbiew | [ACTION] robbiew to break apart the swapfile into boot and installer | 16:21 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: robbiew to break apart the swapfile into boot and installer | 16:21 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: the boot part is pretty trivial too ;) | 16:21 |
| robbiew | cjwatson: okay | 16:21 |
| slangasek | doko: delay what? after debconf would be too late to start on a spec for karmic... | 16:21 |
| robbiew | that works too | 16:21 |
| robbiew | mterry: it is...just not gotten to it yet | 16:21 |
| slangasek | doko: and I'm trying to get the spec finalized so that Guillem has something to work to | 16:21 |
| * mterry is excited about the dep5 future | 16:21 | |
| slangasek | you're excited about 4 more months of bikeshedding? :) | 16:22 |
| * mterry will be excited to have a bikeshed anyway | 16:22 | |
| liw | slangasek, I'm excited about four months of bikeshedding that you drive :) | 16:22 |
| robbiew | so, I obviously need to finish this roadmap today/tomorrow, but wanted to let everyone see it now...to start the panic early ;) | 16:23 |
| doko | slangasek: wasn't aware that you do want to finish the spec before | 16:23 |
| cjwatson | in case people haven't noticed, BTW, this week is listed on the release schedule as the deadline for getting specs written | 16:23 |
| evand1 | robbiew: should we contact you about items that are not on that list yet, or are you aware of the missing specs? | 16:24 |
| robbiew | I would like us to think about putting delivery milestones for our work...using the section in the blueprints | 16:24 |
| robbiew | evand1: no...I'm still building the list | 16:24 |
| liw | cjwatson, FeatureDefinitionFreeze? it's not june 18? | 16:24 |
| evand1 | okay | 16:24 |
| cjwatson | liw: see the note against the previous week in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule | 16:24 |
| cjwatson | IOW the specs need to be written up so that we have time to sift through them and agree what we're actually doing | 16:25 |
| liw | cjwatson, bah, that should be in the .ics file too, too many places to poll :( | 16:25 |
| robbiew | cjwatson: +1 | 16:25 |
| mvo | *ick* | 16:25 |
| * mvo will have to focus on spec writing today then | 16:25 | |
| robbiew | if you already know of work that you simply cannot do...let me know | 16:25 |
| robbiew | I can defer it, until next cycle...or help resolve the conflict of priorities | 16:26 |
| * Keybuk hasn't even started writing specs yet | 16:26 | |
| * liw is still recovering from three weeks of travel | 16:27 | |
| robbiew | cry me a river | 16:27 |
| robbiew | lol | 16:27 |
| liw | but yeah, finishing the specs I have this week should be reasonably possible, if I stop reading e-mail | 16:28 |
| * james_w can finish the specs this week. The work on the other hand... :-) | 16:28 | |
| robbiew | okay...moving on | 16:29 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] Bugs | 16:29 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Bugs | 16:29 |
| cjwatson | robbiew: there was precious little agreement on foundations-karmic-ubuntu-one-in-installer, IIRC; the gobby document ends with "we won't change the installer" | 16:29 |
| cjwatson | so I think you can safely take that off our list | 16:29 |
| robbiew | cjwatson: yep...good point | 16:29 |
| robbiew | will do | 16:29 |
| * Keybuk writes the words "See implementation" in all his specs | 16:29 | |
| Keybuk | done! | 16:29 |
| robbiew | [ACTION] robbiew to take off ubuntu-one-in-installer | 16:30 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: robbiew to take off ubuntu-one-in-installer | 16:30 |
| robbiew | Alpha 2 is tomorrow | 16:30 |
| * slangasek chooses Keybuk as approver for all his specs | 16:30 | |
| robbiew | heh | 16:30 |
| slangasek | he's the OTS of spec regulation | 16:31 |
| Keybuk | OTS? | 16:31 |
| slangasek | Office of Thrift Supervision :) | 16:31 |
| robbiew | heh | 16:31 |
| robbiew | not much to say about bugs for alpha2...since it's tomorrow | 16:31 |
| robbiew | so moving on to our favorite topic: | 16:31 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] Sponsorship Queue | 16:32 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Sponsorship Queue | 16:32 |
| cjwatson | I sucked during my scheduled timeslot yesterday, but rocked this morning to make up for it | 16:32 |
| cjwatson | (until I remembered that we were in soft freeze and rapidly switched to universe stuff, whoops) | 16:32 |
| robbiew | FWIW, dholbach has a little website that tries to gather sponsorship stats on each developer | 16:33 |
| robbiew | lol | 16:33 |
| * slangasek blames all CD problems today on cjwatson | 16:33 | |
| robbiew | slangasek: isn't that the norm? :P | 16:33 |
| slangasek | no, I usually blame them on Keybuk | 16:33 |
| robbiew | somehow that doesn't surprise me | 16:34 |
| * james_w sponsored two things this morning, with an hour scheduled on Friday for some more | 16:34 | |
| robbiew | anyway, I know you all have tons to do...but please make sure to check the queue when you can | 16:34 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] Activity report news | 16:35 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Activity report news | 16:35 |
| robbiew | I haven't read them all...but does anyone have something they want to bring up? | 16:35 |
| robbiew | taking the silence as a "No!" | 16:36 |
| mvo | tomorrow is a public holiday in (my part of) germany | 16:36 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] Good News | 16:36 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Good News | 16:36 |
| robbiew | mvo: well, that's good news :) | 16:36 |
| robbiew | for you | 16:36 |
| robbiew | heh | 16:36 |
| slangasek | still more merges to be done :) | 16:36 |
| mvo | :) | 16:36 |
| robbiew | I got a 73" HDTV coming today :D | 16:37 |
| slangasek | only 15 merges left under doko's name | 16:37 |
| Keybuk | robbiew: your performance review went well, then! | 16:37 |
| cjwatson | lots of my specs appear to be pleasingly small | 16:37 |
| robbiew | Keybuk: lol...no, my realtor gave me back 2% of her 3% commission ;) | 16:37 |
| cjwatson | (couple of meaty ones, there's plenty left to do on grub2) | 16:38 |
| robbiew | cjwatson: yeah...I was worried at first | 16:38 |
| doko | slangasek: are there some where I should help? | 16:38 |
| mvo | slangasek: I can help with those as well | 16:38 |
| evand1 | 73"? I have TV envy. | 16:38 |
| slangasek | doko, mvo: don't bother with gawk, I'm going to assert my maintainership of the package in Debian and try to get that into a sync | 16:38 |
| mterry | 'assert my maintainership' sounds so forceful | 16:39 |
| ogra | evand1, above 50" are only for managers :P | 16:39 |
| evand1 | apparently! | 16:40 |
| cjwatson | mterry: this is slangasek's manly side | 16:40 |
| robbiew | #endmeeting | 16:40 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 10:40. | 16:40 |
| cjwatson | whoa, I had one AOB | 16:40 |
| * mvo is pretty impressed after he calculated what 73" means in centimeter | 16:40 | |
| robbiew | heh...i see we've digressed | 16:40 |
| robbiew | oh | 16:40 |
| robbiew | sorry | 16:40 |
| cjwatson | anyway, it's quick | 16:40 |
| cjwatson | 8.04.3 | 16:40 |
| mterry | cjwatson: Just like yours is going into the woods without a patch system | 16:40 |
| robbiew | fire away | 16:40 |
| cjwatson | mterry: hah | 16:40 |
| robbiew | heh...that's a significant AOB | 16:40 |
| cjwatson | there are a few things that I think still ought to be cleared up for .3 if possible | 16:40 |
| cjwatson | evand1: bug 219192 | 16:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 219192 in casper "[hardy] livecd: keyword "persistent" results in busybox and (initramfs)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219192 | 16:41 |
| cjwatson | doko (or somebody who can play him on TV): bug 288279 | 16:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 288279 in openjdk-6 "Wrong path for dejavu fonts" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/288279 | 16:41 |
| evand1 | sure thing | 16:41 |
| slangasek | mterry: Debian politics... the package was put up for adoption, I adopted it in agreement with the maintainer, someone else is uploading it using maintainer version numbers :) | 16:42 |
| cjwatson | and it'd be nice if somebody could look at bug 347303 and bug 246625 | 16:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 347303 in perl "ENV{TZ} and strftime in perl not working" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/347303 | 16:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 246625 in xen-3.3 "libc6-xen not used by dynamic linker" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/246625 | 16:42 |
| cjwatson | (maybe not for .3 in the latter two cases) | 16:42 |
| doko | cjwatson: openjdk-6: I'm tempted to prepare an update for hardy based on the jaunty package | 16:43 |
| cjwatson | I have one more of my own to take care of, namely bug 250400 | 16:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 250400 in ssl-cert "make-ssl-cert fails if HOME is unset or empty" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/250400 | 16:44 |
| robbiew | cjwatson: slangasek: anything else related to 8.04.3? | 16:45 |
| slangasek | doko: I don't think a wholesale packaging update is appropriate, or likely to clear regression verification in time for .3 | 16:45 |
| cjwatson | that's all from me, dunno about Steve | 16:45 |
| slangasek | nothing else from me; I'll poke people individually for anything critical | 16:46 |
| robbiew | okay | 16:46 |
| robbiew | #reallyendmeeting | 16:46 |
| robbiew | :) | 16:46 |
| robbiew | thanks all | 16:46 |
| mvo | thanks! | 16:46 |
| slangasek | thanks | 16:46 |
| liw | gracias | 16:46 |
| al-maisan | thanks! | 16:46 |
| ara | hola! | 17:58 |
| fader | Howdy. | 17:59 |
| bdmurray | Hi | 17:59 |
| pedro_ | hello folks! | 17:59 |
| * ogasawara waves | 17:59 | |
| cr3 | yo homies | 18:00 |
| heno | hey everyone! | 18:00 |
| sbeattie | hey | 18:00 |
| schwuk | hi | 18:00 |
| eeejay | yo | 18:00 |
| heno | #startmeeting | 18:01 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 12:01. The chair is heno. | 18:01 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 18:01 |
| heno | We have a long agenda: UbuntuBugDay highlights -- pedro | 18:02 |
| pedro_ | well there's was no hug day the last week | 18:02 |
| pedro_ | but we are having one tomorrow cof cof | 18:02 |
| pedro_ | based on update-manager and update-notifier | 18:02 |
| heno | [TOPIC] UbuntuBugDay highlights -- pedro | 18:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: UbuntuBugDay highlights -- pedro | 18:02 |
| pedro_ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090611 | 18:02 |
| pedro_ | as always everybody is welcome to join us and clean up those products | 18:02 |
| heno | thanks pedro_ | 18:03 |
| heno | [TOPIC] New bug control members! -- bdmurray | 18:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: New bug control members! -- bdmurray | 18:04 |
| pedro_ | my pleasure | 18:04 |
| bdmurray | Paul Larson was added as a regular bug control member this past week | 18:04 |
| mvo | update-manager! | 18:04 |
| * heno hugs mvo | 18:05 | |
| * mvo hugs heno and pedro_ | 18:05 | |
| cr3 | ara: regarding those bugs found for the update-manager, these might be good leads when writing desktop tests | 18:05 |
| * pedro_ hugs mvo back | 18:05 | |
| ara | cr3: indeed | 18:05 |
| heno | how many update-manager bugs are really u-m bugs and how many belong to other packages (typically) | 18:06 |
| heno | I'm guessing the u-m GUI itself doesn't have that many real bugs | 18:06 |
| mvo | heno: hard to say (and I'm biased of course), but I would say > 50% are not really u-m bugs. some are really hard to diagnose though | 18:06 |
| mvo | I think one problem is that u-m excercises the system a lot during a disk-upgrade so that HW problems show up more likely | 18:07 |
| mvo | it stresses network, mem and disk-io quite a bit | 18:07 |
| mvo | at some point I did some statistics, might be worthwhile to redo them | 18:08 |
| heno | We should look at doing GUI-driven upgrade testing as part of the dist upgrade spec | 18:09 |
| cr3 | mvo: would it be worthwhile to run a sanity check on hardware before running tests in order to detect those kinds of failures beforehand? | 18:09 |
| heno | if that would help flush out such issues | 18:09 |
| mvo | cr3: a interessting idea | 18:09 |
| cr3 | mvo: luckily, there are plenty of stress test suites out there already for hardware which could be integrated into checkbox | 18:09 |
| mvo | heno: absolutely, I hope with "update-manager --sandbox" this is easy(ier) now | 18:09 |
| cr3 | mvo: I'm not completely convinced this would be useful so I'm just throwing the idea on the table | 18:10 |
| * mvo nods | 18:10 | |
| heno | fortunately the dist upgrade spec is not complete yet ;) so we can consider this | 18:11 |
| heno | we'll look at that in the last agenda item | 18:11 |
| heno | moving on ... | 18:11 |
| heno | [TOPIC] Fridge Calendar Entry - wrong time -- schwuk | 18:11 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Fridge Calendar Entry - wrong time -- schwuk | 18:11 |
| schwuk | heno: in progress | 18:12 |
| heno | ok | 18:12 |
| heno | [TOPIC] Official Bug Tags - should apport- stuff be listed? -- bdmurray | 18:12 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Official Bug Tags - should apport- stuff be listed? -- bdmurray | 18:12 |
| bdmurray | Launchpad now suggests the official bug tags when one is adding tags to a bug report and this is something that didn't exist when started the official tags list | 18:13 |
| bdmurray | I don't believe it useful for tags like apport-crash and apport-bug to be suggested since they should be added automatically | 18:14 |
| bdmurray | So I'd like to remove them from the "official" tag list | 18:14 |
| bdmurray | And only keep ones that should be added by people | 18:15 |
| sbeattie | does "official" status confer anything else to the tag? | 18:15 |
| heno | does https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags otherwise map to the LP official list? | 18:15 |
| bdmurray | sbeattie: well, they show up in the official portlet vs the "other tags" portlet | 18:15 |
| bdmurray | but that's the only other advantage I know of | 18:16 |
| heno | bdmurray: you want to remove them from the LP list (are they there?) or just the wiki page? | 18:16 |
| bdmurray | heno: some of the ones on the wiki page are experiments (ways to test new tags) | 18:16 |
| bdmurray | heno: from the lp list so they aren't recommended when someone is adding tags to a bug report | 18:17 |
| heno | bdmurray: makes sense | 18:17 |
| bdmurray | heno: they'd stay on the wiki page as they are useful for triagers to understand when or why a tag was added | 18:17 |
| heno | we could move them to an automatic section on the wiki page too | 18:17 |
| heno | should we also move the experimental ones or highlight them in grey so we get a clear mapping between the two places? | 18:18 |
| bdmurray | maybe adding a column for the "official" ones? | 18:19 |
| heno | anyway +1 for your original suggestion, bdmurray | 18:19 |
| heno | right, or just mark the others with a '*' | 18:19 |
| heno | but we're bikesheding ... | 18:20 |
| schwuk | heno: Fridge entry fixed. | 18:20 |
| heno | [TOPIC] qa.u.c landing page. Any news? -- ara | 18:20 |
| MootBot | New Topic: qa.u.c landing page. Any news? -- ara | 18:20 |
| ara | I just wanted to ask about how this is going | 18:20 |
| heno | ok, how about this one :) schwuk ^ | 18:20 |
| schwuk | IS are finally moving on this (after I poked them) but now there's a permissions problem. | 18:21 |
| cr3 | how come the landing page says "ubuntu brainstorm"? | 18:21 |
| schwuk | cr3: It won't soon :) | 18:21 |
| cr3 | schwuk: how come it did in the first place? | 18:21 |
| schwuk | cr3: because it's currently served by brainstorm - we're switching it to static content. | 18:21 |
| cr3 | interesting... thanks for the background info | 18:22 |
| schwuk | heno: I expect this to be complete by next weeks meeting. Hopefully by the end of this week. | 18:22 |
| heno | the ISO tracker share code and used to share an instance, cr3 | 18:22 |
| heno | schwuk: ok, thanks | 18:22 |
| heno | schwuk: can you blog about it when it does? | 18:23 |
| ara | schwuk: thanks | 18:23 |
| heno | [TOPIC] Testing Days in Karmic -- ara | 18:23 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Testing Days in Karmic -- ara | 18:23 |
| ara | I am wondering when should we start again with the testing days | 18:24 |
| schwuk | heno: of course | 18:24 |
| ara | do you think we are late enough in the cycle to start with them? | 18:24 |
| heno | Might be good time for a Hardy.3 SRU testing day | 18:25 |
| heno | or possibly Jaunty SRUs? | 18:25 |
| sbeattie | heno: hrm, yeah, makes sense | 18:25 |
| heno | sbeattie: which one? :) | 18:25 |
| sbeattie | both, honestly. | 18:25 |
| ara | :) | 18:26 |
| heno | ara: things like grub2 and ext4 default are landing | 18:26 |
| sbeattie | though hardy.3 should come soon, given upcoming deadline. | 18:26 |
| heno | it's early for Gnome stuff though | 18:26 |
| sbeattie | yes, I think there's enough stuff landing already that karmic testing days make sense. | 18:26 |
| heno | pedro_: when should we expect the first Gnome drops? | 18:26 |
| heno | ara: reminds us of the topic suggestion URL? | 18:27 |
| ara | heno: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/UbuntuTestingDay/Features | 18:28 |
| heno | ok, let's add our ideas there | 18:28 |
| pedro_ | heno: IIRC next week we might have some new packages with Gnome 2.27 on karmic | 18:29 |
| heno | should we aim for an SRU testing day next Monday? | 18:29 |
| sbeattie | heno: that's reasonable. | 18:29 |
| heno | sbeattie: which ever release is most pressing, or both | 18:29 |
| heno | pedro_: does it make sense to get formal testing of that or is it too raw? | 18:30 |
| pedro_ | it's a bit raw now, I'd wait for 2.27.4 or .5 which is due to July for doing a more formal testing | 18:32 |
| heno | ok | 18:32 |
| pedro_ | Jul 15 2.27.4 and Jul 29 2.27.5 for being more specific | 18:33 |
| heno | ara: is that enough to get us started? | 18:33 |
| ara | heno: sure, we can start with srus, then ext4 and/or grub2 and then move to gnome stuff | 18:33 |
| heno | ok, great | 18:34 |
| ara | sbeattie: for next monday hardy or jaunty? | 18:34 |
| heno | there are also some new Karmic features listed here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Specs/RegressionImmunisation | 18:34 |
| sbeattie | Right now, hardy, but I may expand it to cover jaunty as well. | 18:34 |
| sbeattie | ara ^ | 18:34 |
| heno | speaking of which ... | 18:35 |
| heno | [TOPIC] SRU Verifications -- sbeattie | 18:35 |
| MootBot | New Topic: SRU Verifications -- sbeattie | 18:35 |
| sbeattie | First, thanks to Alexei Mokeev, ZelinskiyIS, gidantribal, medisoft, ded, and Patryk Bajer for testing SRUs and helping to get them out. | 18:35 |
| sbeattie | And second, as mentioned above, 8.04.3 is coming (july 9th I believe). | 18:36 |
| heno | sbeattie: do we know when the verification deadline is? | 18:36 |
| sbeattie | Hrm, no, I'll ask slangasek. | 18:36 |
| sbeattie | But I would expect a week or two before. | 18:37 |
| heno | ok | 18:37 |
| sbeattie | Sine there'll be a run up time of image testing. | 18:37 |
| heno | right | 18:37 |
| heno | how many images are we doing now, just Ubuntu server? | 18:38 |
| sbeattie | hrm, once again, I don't recall if we're spinning desktop images as well. | 18:38 |
| sbeattie | The calendar at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule doesn't say | 18:39 |
| heno | ok | 18:39 |
| heno | next | 18:39 |
| heno | [TOPIC] Spec Roadmap review -- heno | 18:39 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Spec Roadmap review -- heno | 18:39 |
| heno | see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/RoadMap | 18:39 |
| heno | it's looking better, but there are still gaps | 18:40 |
| heno | let's go down the list of non-Approved specs and get some drafting ETAs | 18:40 |
| heno | Specialization Within bug-control | 18:41 |
| heno | pedro_: ^? | 18:41 |
| pedro_ | I'm a bit behind with my spec, since i wasn't around the last week but i hope to have that drafted by the end of the week | 18:41 |
| bdmurray | What's the (i) for on that page? | 18:42 |
| heno | pedro_: right, do you need some help drafting? | 18:42 |
| pedro_ | for hopefully having more opinions on the subject from the community team | 18:42 |
| heno | bdmurray: informational | 18:42 |
| heno | I should add it to the key :) | 18:42 |
| pedro_ | heno: that'd be nice :-) | 18:42 |
| heno | ogasawara: Package Greasemonkey Scripts ? | 18:43 |
| ogasawara | heno: hoping to get it done by end of the week since I just became the drafter yesterday | 18:43 |
| heno | understood | 18:43 |
| heno | ogasawara: could you also add the two kernel bug specs to that page? | 18:44 |
| bdmurray | I'll be helping out with that one | 18:44 |
| ogasawara | heno: will do | 18:44 |
| heno | bdmurray: great, thanks | 18:44 |
| heno | fader: Extended Audio Testing ? | 18:44 |
| fader | Hoping to get it done today, but I'll promise no later than EOD tomorrow. | 18:45 |
| fader | (i.e. you can hold me to that :) ) | 18:45 |
| heno | ok. we talked about what needs doing to it | 18:46 |
| heno | sounds good | 18:46 |
| heno | ogasawara: Suspend Resume Testing - same situation on that one I guess | 18:46 |
| ogasawara | heno: yup | 18:46 |
| heno | to be fair I made up that spec yesterday ... | 18:47 |
| ogasawara | :) | 18:47 |
| heno | sbeattie: Distribution Upgrade Testing ? | 18:47 |
| heno | I think you said we should ask mvo to look at that one too https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Specs/DistributionUpgradeTesting | 18:48 |
| sbeattie | Yep, if mvo could help flash that out, it'd be great. | 18:48 |
| heno | same goes for james_w with the package testing spec | 18:48 |
| cr3 | sbeattie: yeah, I'd like to see mvo "flash" too! | 18:48 |
| heno | sbeattie: can we set an ETA though? | 18:49 |
| sbeattie | heno: otherwise, by end of the week. | 18:49 |
| cr3 | james_w: if you need help with that spec, I'm your man | 18:49 |
| heno | ok, thanks | 18:49 |
| maco | what a line to enter the buffer on | 18:49 |
| schwuk | maco: you should be used to cr3 by now | 18:50 |
| heno | I guess mgunes isn't here | 18:50 |
| heno | Testing Weather Report still needs some drafting | 18:51 |
| heno | like answering the python vs. ruby question :) | 18:52 |
| heno | I can poke some more at that too | 18:52 |
| heno | schwuk: the 2 checkbox specs? | 18:52 |
| schwuk | heno: enhancements tomorrow, wishlist friday | 18:53 |
| heno | again to be fair, we've regrouped those a great deal | 18:53 |
| heno | schwuk: ok, thanks | 18:53 |
| schwuk | yeah - there's a lot folded into those | 18:53 |
| heno | cr3: the checkbox filters spec - draft or punt to Karmic+1? | 18:54 |
| cr3 | heno: draft, I totally forgot about that one | 18:54 |
| heno | ok, thanks | 18:55 |
| heno | now: who has started implementation work? | 18:55 |
| heno | o/ :) | 18:55 |
| * fader hides. | 18:56 | |
| cr3 | o/... I couldn't help myself :( | 18:56 |
| cr3 | (note that the dots under my arm pit emoticon aren't stink waves) | 18:56 |
| heno | that's not really expected though :) | 18:56 |
| heno | we'll revisit the list in 3-4 weeks to look at implementation progress | 18:57 |
| heno | did I leave any key specs off that list? | 18:57 |
| cr3 | karmic-qa-marc-needs-to-grow-up? | 18:58 |
| schwuk | lol | 18:58 |
| james_w | cr3: am I drafting the package testing one? | 18:58 |
| heno | eeejay: are you planning to write a separate Ubiquity automation spec? | 18:58 |
| heno | If so, let me know if you need a hand scoping it out | 18:59 |
| cr3 | james_w: actually, I believe fader is, so you're probably off the hook... for now | 18:59 |
| fader | james_w: I'm drafting one but there's another as well | 18:59 |
| james_w | excellent :-) | 18:59 |
| eeejay | heno: sure, i could do that | 18:59 |
| fader | james_w: I'm not sure who is drafting it though -- I thought it was you :/ | 18:59 |
| cr3 | fader: could you let us know the url for the spec, I can't seem to find it | 18:59 |
| james_w | fader: let's chat after | 18:59 |
| heno | james_w: I understand you are involved with a related package spec on the foundation track? | 19:00 |
| fader | james_w, cr3: Sounds good, we can straighten this out after the meeting | 19:00 |
| cr3 | james_w: heno is referring to the last session during uds | 19:00 |
| heno | eeejay: great, we can talk later | 19:00 |
| james_w | heno: yeah, myself and mvo are interested in much the same things as your team apparently, so we're going to combine efforts | 19:00 |
| heno | sounds good | 19:00 |
| heno | we are at time | 19:01 |
| james_w | we didn't have a clear picture of what would happen this cycle and who would do what after the session though, so we agreed to discuss it after UDS | 19:01 |
| heno | any other urgent business? | 19:01 |
| heno | james_w: makes sense | 19:01 |
| heno | we are just emerging from that phase ourselves ;) | 19:01 |
| heno | #endmeeting | 19:02 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 13:02. | 19:02 |
| heno | thanks everyone! | 19:02 |
| james_w | thanks all | 19:02 |
| pedro_ | thanks you! | 19:02 |
| ara | cheers | 19:03 |
| sbeattie | thanks! | 19:03 |
| * fader waves. | 19:03 | |
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