=== reed_ is now known as [reed] [01:11] asac: hi [01:11] Q: 3G dongle almost never works after hibernate/resume [01:12] from fresh boot I have no prob [01:17] how can I update my firefox 3.5 b4 to b99? [01:18] jeroen-: using the daily ppa [01:18] jeroen-: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa [01:18] BUGabundo: ok, but that means it is updated daily [01:19] I only want b99 [01:19] we don't have a package for b99, at least not yet [01:20] ok than I just wait [01:20] thanks for your answers [01:20] fta: speaking of b99 [01:20] what was that all about? [01:21] yesterday you mentioned it [01:21] were we supposed to be on RC ? [01:21] a kind of last minute beta, pre RC [01:24] so is mozilla now lauching backwards ? lol === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [01:26] who knows, they don't talk to me [01:27] heh [01:27] chromium-browser 5868 0.52% 422 1979 3467 0 [01:27] google-chrome-unstable 1270 0.11% 31 1 1238 0 [01:27] growing fast [01:27] hehe [01:27] publicity helps [01:27] scary [01:34] asac, fta, thunderbird-3.0 works [01:34] good [01:35] ^- on armel [01:35] Of course, this still doesn't help the inarchive thunderbird problem :-/ === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [01:58] is it normal for TB3 to start downloading all my mail? [02:03] BUGabundo, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7425799&postcount=180 [02:13] micahg: yes. i think thats a feature [02:16] asac: so there's a local copy of the e-mail? [02:17] when do you think the addons will start being mostly compatible with TB3? === micahg1 is now known as micahg [07:06] anyone around running ff3.5? [07:11] hello friends. the rules install process for a package i make installs the stuff correctly in $(CURDIR)/debian/bluegriffon/usr/lib/bluegriffon-0.1. where could i hook a rename to .../usr/lib/bluegriffon? [07:36] ping asac [07:46] asac: I'm going to sleep, but was wondering about bug 385128 [07:46] Launchpad bug 385128 in shared-mime-info "*.XPI should be associated with Firefox in KDE" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/385128 [07:46] It would have to be associated with TB as well [07:46] but I don't know if we wanted to do such a thing. [07:46] I'll check the logs in the morning [07:46] night [10:27] hi mozillateam, [10:27] I've got a few questions about FF extensions and url-handler, and packaging of this two things. [10:28] one idea of https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/karmic-qa-increase-apport-adoption is to automatically launch 'ubuntu-bug' whenever a user clicks on '+filebug' links on bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu [10:29] my understandig is that this needs two things: a extension to convert "somepackage/+filebug" links into "ubuntu-bug://somepackage" links [10:30] and an url-handler which launches a proxy script, and at the end this proxy script launches ubuntu-bug [10:32] doeas this make sense, or are there easier ways/more elegant ways to achieve this? [10:37] thekorn: technically it makes sense [10:39] however, i am not sure about security impact et al. should be done carefully [10:39] asac, ok, good, thanks [10:39] well security wise it should be the same arguments as apturl [10:40] we dont convert links in apturl ;) [10:40] sounds like a hack to me ... but maybe i just need to think a bit about it;) [10:41] ok, noted your possible security related concers [10:42] asac: still nothing on the google bug i logged re the licenses on those 3 files [10:42] ok, then lets talk about packaging, I've started to work on it here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~thekorn/+junk/apporturl/files [10:43] for the extension part I followed the instructions on the wiki [10:44] my problem is: I would like to split things up a bit, so instead of putting everything into the root of the project, I would like to have extension/ and url-handler/ [10:45] is there a way to tell mozilla-devscripts/xpi.mk to look for the extension in ./extension and not in ./ ? [10:52] thekorn: so ... you can specify a custom BUILD_COMMAND ... which then could pack stuff in extenstions/ [10:52] i think there is a bug that requires you to produce the .xpi in top level dir though [10:52] but thats just the final .xpi ... so imo shouldnt be a big problem [10:53] so the default command is MOZ_XPI_BUILD_COMMAND ?= med-xpi-pack $(CURDIR) $(MOZ_EXTENSION_PKG).xpi; [10:53] not sure if you have your own build command [10:54] stefanlsd: hmm. ok. [10:54] jcastro: do we know any gears contact? [10:55] asac: is a matter of someone just saying yes, google bsd license and putting it in the file... [10:55] stefanlsd: prepare a patch and submit it as codereview [10:55] e.g. do the work for them ;) [10:56] asac: kk. will do. svn. bleh :) [10:57] asac, ok, so all I have to do is to make sure that there is a somename.xpi in the top level, and I can achieve this by creating my own MOZ_XPI_BUILD_COMMAND, correct? [10:57] thekorn: yes. that will work [10:58] asac, ok, thanks alot [11:50] how do i generate the hardware info when a bug report is submitted? [11:52] anyone experienced this bug; https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=356201 [11:52] Mozilla bug 356201 in Mail Window Front End "message-list pane: slow mousewheel scrolling and scroll bar arrows, high cpu" [Normal,New] [12:26] sigh so archive admins want us to port more libxul-dev rdepends [12:26] what a painful experience [12:54] hi [12:54] grrr, gwibber just crashed, again [13:04] oh my! Get:1 http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic/main chromium-testsuite-dbg 3.0.185.0~svn20090610r18008-0ubuntu1~ucd1 [694MB] [13:16] do we really need the -dbg packages for chromium testsuite? [13:17] good question [13:17] i still have some crashes when running the tests [13:18] most now seem to be in libfakeroot-sysv.so [13:18] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/27718018/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.chromium-browser_3.0.185.0~svn20090610r18008-0ubuntu1~ucd1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz [13:18] does chromium use jemalloc? [13:19] no [13:19] well, i don't think so [13:20] is http://packages.ubuntu.com/ dead? [13:22] asac, http://popcon2.ecchi.ca/package/chromium-testsuite.html#graph-0 [13:22] surprising [13:23] http://popcon2.ecchi.ca/package/chromium-testsuite-dbg.html#graph-0 [13:28] asac, using ff 3.6, do you also have some artifacts around text fields? [13:28] i can't take a screenshot :( [13:34] asac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/ff3.6-textfields.ogv [13:37] BUGabundo, do see that too: http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/ff3.6-textfields.ogv ?? [13:39] no [13:39] but ogra had this yesterday: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ff_fonts.png [13:39] which was KMS related as it seems [13:39] could it be a dark theme bug? [13:39] i'm using DarkRoom [13:40] fta: checking [13:40] fta: empty to me [13:40] ? [13:40] let me wget it [13:40] FF3.6 did not open it [13:41] fta: it opens on totem [13:41] any thing else? [13:42] bbl [13:42] lol [13:48] asac, could you do something for xcb-util? i think it just needs a respin now that libxcb1 has been synced [13:48] not sure. we are in pre alpha freeze [13:49] it's broken for everyone i guess, i mean, when building from sourc [13:49] e [13:51] db4.6 is fine now. i just need libxcb-render-util0 [14:05] fta: how was db fixed? autoconf update? [14:05] donno, i just received an update [14:14] brb === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 [14:20] * asac annoyed by working on messy xul 1.8 rdepends [14:22] 1.8->1.9 or 1.8->1.9.1 ? [14:24] I'm far from 10 sec... http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/ix-karmic-20090610-1.png [14:25] fta: ntpd? [14:27] yep, i can probably move it later or drop it [14:29] devkit-disks-pa seems to kill me too === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [14:54] asac, better, but still far from 10 sec ;) http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/ix-karmic-20090610-2.png [14:56] fta: do a fresh install ;) [14:56] also dont use ifupdown ;) [14:57] i need to buy a new hd, mine is slow and noisy, perhaps i will make a fresh install then [14:57] fta: is that on your nc10 thing? [14:57] no, desktop [14:57] fta: if you do a fresh install, go for ext4 which boosts everything iirc [14:58] my nc10 has other issues to sort out first [14:59] I need to do that myself [14:59] but need a new HD to a set of full backups [14:59] on all current discs [14:59] this laptop has the worse partition schema I could have made [15:00] 10GiBs / ext3 , 8 GiBs swap, 300GiB Home XFS [15:00] need to backp, format and make a SINGLE ext4 === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 [15:00] and use swap on file [15:00] hey rickspencer3 [15:00] hey! [15:01] asac: about what I asked yesterday [15:01] anyone reporting probs with 3G after hibernate? [15:01] BUGabundo: not in general. but I expect that there are problems with certain chips [15:02] BUGabundo: wanna search for bugs in the bug db? [15:02] ;) [15:02] hm, i need a fakeroot-dbg [15:02] to trick the builders ;) [15:02] asac: I did try but found nothing obvious [15:03] asac: any quick workaround to make it connect, other then REBOOT ? [15:03] asac: no I don't [15:03] jcastro: ok. in case you find out it would help us to get gears in shape for the archive [15:05] asac: ok [15:06] asac: any quick workaround to make it connect, other then REBOOT ? [15:06] BUGabundo, restart n-m ? [15:06] did that [15:06] changed usb ports [15:07] restart nm-applet, networking, NetworkManage, even GDM [15:07] only reboot seems to make 3G handshake work again [15:08] BUGabundo: what hardware is that? [15:09] my 3G dongle? [15:09] huawei E220 [15:11] BUGabundo: at what stage does it fail after resume? [15:12] I click on the Connect [15:12] it starts to negotiate [15:12] and then simply failes [15:12] let me get the logs for you [15:15] BUGabundo: please get serial and ppp debug logs [15:15] thanks [15:16] will do, next time [15:16] funny enough it must have been scare, worked last time [15:16] but it fails 8 out of 10 [15:17] I think I have the wiki stored offline, but better check === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [15:47] fta: so how about using ~0hg for pre beta releases [15:47] ~bhg for post beta snapshots [15:47] ? [15:47] or ~ahg ... ~bhg ~phg (or ~rhg) [15:48] i don't think it's needed [15:48] not that it would have helped here [15:48] fta: well. we release ~bX milestones [15:48] hmm [15:48] i guess final would be 3.5.0 or something [15:48] ok i think i misthought [15:48] so the bot will continue with 3.5.1~hg [15:48] fta: we could have used ~pre+b99~hg [15:48] or something [15:49] to still upgrade from previous pres to b99 [15:49] hm, no, the 3.5 debs are ahead of b99 already [15:50] yep [15:50] asac, i think it's ok as it is now [15:51] hmm, http://andrewsomething.wordpress.com/2009/06/10/ppas-and-daily-builds/ [15:53] bash scripts, lol [15:57] * asac still annoyed working on 1.8 rdepends. === Nigthmare[] is now known as caglar[] [17:18] asac, dtchen, jcastro: I need feedbacks for my daily bot docs. could you please have a look? http://paste.ubuntu.com/192733/ [17:25] fta: quick look looks good. i have to go through that when having a bit more time [17:26] i need to know if it's good enough to use [17:27] * BUGabundo reads qucikly [17:28] fta: other then the code that looks all the same to me [17:28] text looks good [17:29] couldn't find any tipo [17:29] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~fta/%2Bjunk/ppa-confs/annotate/head%3A/ppabot-gwibber.conf [17:29] do you really need that %20B there? [17:29] it's ~ [17:29] fta: is all committed to your bzr branch? [17:29] i would like to go through it and see if get some results when following the doc [17:30] i'm about to commit the doc, everything else is in sync on lp [17:33] committed [17:34] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~fta/%2Bjunk/ppa-scripts/annotate/head%3A/README [17:35] Subject: xulrunner-1.9.1_1.9.1~b99+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~fta1_source.changes rejected [17:35] PPA exceeded its size limit (7627.00 of 7120.00 MiB). [17:36] ahaahaahahahahahahahahaha [17:36] ahaahaahahahahahahahahaha [17:36] Subject: firefox-3.5_3.5~b99+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~fta1_source.changes rejected [17:36] ahaahaahahahahahahahahaha [17:36] PPA exceeded its size limit (7628.00 of 7120.00 MiB) [17:37] hm rhythmbox just died on me [17:37] i guess there's no point in sending crash dumps [17:38] ehe [17:38] why not? [17:39] asac: I was wondering about bug 385128 [17:39] Launchpad bug 385128 in shared-mime-info "*.XPI should be associated with Firefox in KDE" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/385128 [17:39] I wouldn't make it a default, but should FF and Thunderbird be made handlers of the .xpi format? [17:40] micahg: i dont think so. [17:40] i think you gave the right argument already: e.g. its not clear whether firefox or xulrunner or thunderbird are responsible for an xpi [17:40] without introspecting it first [17:41] BUGabundo, my previous bugs were ignored, and now it's dead upstream [17:41] eheh [17:41] I know [17:41] right, but persia was telling me that you can have a package specify that it's a handler so that the desktop offers the option to open with that program [17:41] is that true? [17:42] like a right click [17:47] micahg: you can have such a handler, but .xpi doesnt have a unique handler [17:48] e.g. if oyu open .xpi with firefox that is ment to be opened with thunderbird it wont work [17:48] also opening .xpi from command line with tbird doesnt work at all afaik [17:48] i have to think a bit about it [17:48] right, so when you right cleck the person would get the option to open in FF, TB, songbird or any other mozilla product that uses xpis [17:48] but i think that .xpi handler makes no sense unless we ignore all apps != firefox [17:48] user was using dolphin [17:49] micahg: sure, but i dont like the idea that the user has to know which app can deal with a file when suggesting apps for handling it [17:49] I'm not saying to make it the default handler, I would think that should stay the archive manager [17:49] think about zip. if you get multiple options all should work [17:49] but why not be able to right click and say open with Firefox or TB? [17:49] Anyone here very familiar with the Firefox gtk/x11 code? [17:49] well, when you get an xpi, you know what app it's for, right? [17:50] people download them from addons.mozilla.org [17:53] asac: should I mark won't fix? [17:54] micahg: i would say yes. if people complain leave it at confirmed forever [17:57] done [17:57] thanks [18:17] BUGabundo, Rejected: PPA exceeded its size limit (23084.00 of 20480.00 MiB), i'm sure you're enjoying this ;) [18:18] i'm [18:18] ahaahaahahahahahahahahaha [18:18] ahaahaahahahahahahahahaha [18:20] http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/06/french-court-savages-3-strikes-law-tosses-it-out.ars [18:25] out?? [18:25] lolol love the .ars extention [18:25] ehehe [18:25] GEEK [18:26] "Innocent until proven guilty" still means something in France. [18:34] fta: http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/bootchart [18:37] BUGabundo, there's nothing on that page [18:37] humm? [18:37] sure there is [18:37] lots of bootcharts [18:37] since hardy [18:38] ahhh [18:38] subalbuns ended up privae [18:38] with last DB clean up [18:38] a sec please [18:39] karmic should now be visible [18:41] 1:30? [18:41] i'm at 0:45 now [18:41] on my desktop [18:42] very bad here :( [18:42] need to make a new install [19:49] fta: aahahahaahah [19:50] not funny [19:50] yes it is [19:51] ok not as much as the user who posted his password and I redented it [19:51] now he is chaning it everywhere [19:51] and breaking everyservice that requires the pass to be entered [19:51] lolol [19:51] don't that once [19:51] posted my pass to jaiku [19:51] that's why I don't reuse passwords [19:52] I wish I could use openid and OAuth everywhere [19:53] i use different level of passwords, from very strong / very trusted to weak (and unique) for web sites & mailing lists [19:53] yeah me too [19:54] and try to change both pass and algorith often [19:54] like 2 or 3 times a year [19:54] asac, fennec requires xul trunk now, and the build-system is incomplete.. lacks l10n [19:56] BUGabundo, how come you have gnome in your bootcharts and i don't? is there a knob or something? [19:57] eheheheheh [19:57] I hacked my bootchart script [19:57] with a simple sleep 90 [19:57] so it counts extra info [19:57] lol [19:57] let me check [19:58] I think it was line 58 [19:58] 2 lines bellow the other sleep its there [19:59] $ gedit /etc/rc5.d/S99stop-bootchart [19:59] yep, i'll figure out where, thought there was a nicer way [19:59] line 31 [19:59] *41 [19:59] sleep 60 [19:59] # Kill the collector process, wait for it to end [19:59] pkill -f /lib/bootchart/collector [19:59] sleep 2 [20:00] for me, almost everything starts way past the 10 sec, so it will be tough [20:01] too bad SSDs are so expensive and fragile [20:01] fragile? [20:02] I though they were supposed to be more resistent then rotatory disks [20:03] i meant, limited number of write cycles [20:04] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Specs/KarmicSSD [20:05] ah ok [20:06] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive#Disadvantages [20:06] still expensive here: http://www.rue-montgallet.com/prix/75012/comparer/836/Disques-Flash-SSD/ [20:14] yeah [20:33] Detect the user's ubuntu version and display the corresponding sources.list by default in PPAs [20:33] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/314370 [20:33] Launchpad bug 314370 in soyuz "Detect the user's ubuntu version and display the corresponding sources.list by default in PPAs" [Medium,Fix committed] [20:33] WOOT [20:34] now we only need to have an easy way to add repos and keys [20:44] asac, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~fta/%2Bjunk/ppa-scripts/annotate/head%3A/README improved [20:55] Estimated repository size: 6.7 GiB (96.56%) of 7.0 GiB [20:56] let's see if i can stick b99 in that [20:57] eheh [22:02] fta: thanks. i think i will try to use that doc to setup a NM bot or something [22:02] asac: lolo [22:02] cool [22:02] i think there are a few things that are not entirely clear [22:03] but cant tell details until i try to deploy something [22:04] let me know on the flow [22:04] intersting [22:04] if you go and register a project [22:05] you get a prominent "do you want CDs instead" [22:05] https://edge.launchpad.net/projects/+new [22:05] ahahah [22:05] "Oh, I want Ubuntu CDs" [22:05] yeah new users keep mailing lp-users for CDs [22:05] not sure why they think folks think registering a project will make CDs to be send out [22:05] but well ;) [22:05] asac: yeah new users keep mailing lp-users for CDs [22:05] register a team doesnt have that hint [22:06] at UDS, CDs were not that popular [22:06] probably because everyone there has decent bandwidth ;) [22:06] fta: people was looking for the free usb sticks ;-) [22:06] there were a ton left at the end [22:07] Nafallo, yep, probably. i nice 8G stick would have been nice [22:07] -i+a [22:07] 1GB is well enough :-) [22:08] we could make a deal with vodafone and get a prepaid dongle for everyone with 2G traffic included ;) [22:08] or t-mobile etc ;) [22:08] haha [22:08] now we just need to teach the bios to do 3g so one can bootstrap it ;) [22:08] that's like... TWO isos. [22:09] almost three [22:09] right. similar to a USB image i guess [22:09] just that vodafone etc. probably give the hardware for free ;) [22:09] but people probably would need to sign something ;) [22:10] NAND memories are now more expensive then they were 18 months ago [22:10] I bought a 8GiBs and now the 4GiBs cost more [22:10] memory is quite volatile yeah [22:11] hmm.. https://edge.launchpad.net/~thefirstm/+archive/karmic-testing .. ff & xul? [22:11] why bother rebuilding a daily? [22:12] ahahhhah [22:13] fta: guess the guy is scared that we could automatically upgrade something else from our ppa [22:13] like he wants xul 1.9.1, but also gets xul 1.9 dailies [22:13] so he does his own selection [22:14] but why change changelog then? a copy of the binaries should be enough [22:14] dont ask me ;) [22:14] *sigh* [22:14] most likely he didnt find the copy button [22:14] eehhe [22:14] email him [22:14] not everybody uses PPAs as frequently as we do [22:15] oh, i've been granted 10G in my own ppa, i've dropped 40 packages for nothing [22:16] heh [22:16] yeah [22:16] fta: what are you using your ppa for still? [22:16] we should really create a ppa for milestone builds soon i thihnk [22:16] 2G for my staging, lol, ridiculous [22:16] lots of people want the latest, but not the dailies ;) [22:17] wonder if we could automate the tag triggered builds similarly [22:17] think should work well as long as upstream has a parsable syntax for tags [22:17] i know, i pushed 99 to my own ppa as the people who asked me already have my ppa in their sources list === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 [22:18] k [22:23] -rw-r--r-- 1 fta fta 440522262 2009-06-05 21:57 chromium-testsuite-dbg_3.0.184.0~svn20090605r17731-0ubuntu1~ucd1_amd64.deb [22:23] -rw-r--r-- 1 fta fta 693531756 2009-06-10 06:09 chromium-testsuite-dbg_3.0.185.0~svn20090610r18008-0ubuntu1~ucd1_amd64.deb [22:23] 440 MB -> 693 MB in 5 days [22:24] hmm. 1 new binary + everything else growing: http://paste.ubuntu.com/192974/ [22:25] fta: don't you like -H ? [22:25] eheh you already use SI units LOL [22:26] d'oh! perf_tests 6 MB -> 314 MB [22:26] ahhahah [22:28] oh! Estimated repository size: 21.3 GiB (85.04%) of 25.0 GiB [23:00] fta: you got a stalker? [23:00] :) [23:49] fta: "Based on last 1000 dents posted in the last 2 days daily average is 500 but excluding days without dents, the average is 250 " [23:52] ? [23:52]