[00:44] <ZachD> hai
[00:44] <ZachD> how everyone?
[00:45] <ZachD> so what is xubuntu?
[04:07] <sml1226> trying to compile but get error, No package 'gtk+-2.0' found , how do I get the package
[04:08] <sml1226> knome you may have helped me with this before
[04:11] <sml1226> anybody know how to get gtk+-2.0 package? odd name or what?
[04:12] <TheSheep> you nee libgtk-something-dev
[04:12] <TheSheep> you need*
[04:12] <TheSheep> search with synaptic
[04:12] <sml1226> thanks
[04:12] <TheSheep> not sure what 'something' is
[04:13] <TheSheep> libgtk2.0-dev
[04:13] <TheSheep> here it is
[04:17] <sml1226> ok great
[04:39] <sml1226> now missing libwnck-1.0 any clue of package name for apt-get?
[04:46] <sml1226> TheSheep know this one? libwnck-1.0
[04:46] <TheSheep> just search for it in synaptic
[04:46] <TheSheep> and install the -dev package of it
[04:48] <sml1226> well thanks again see if its there (SLOWLY)
[05:18] <sml1226> how do I make a .deb?
[05:24] <sml1226> TheSheep how does searching synaptic work? type in the missing package name and look at results? if so I get no results
[05:25] <sml1226> oops missing package name, i meant from error message
[05:25] <TheSheep> sml1226: you type the search terms in the search dialog
[05:26] <TheSheep> sml1226: not in the quicksearch
[05:27] <sml1226> searching for gtk+-2.0 would have got the libgtk2/0-dev result?
[05:27] <sml1226> well if thats my prob then thanks, I'll try one more time then
[05:43] <raevol> hey all, i have a bunch of libraries that are showing up in synaptic as being "local or obsolete"
[05:43] <raevol> i have no idea what they are, they have been there since a clean install of 9.04
[05:43] <raevol> is it safe to remove them?
[06:46] <Ramla> is thunar still as stable as a drunken madman on a pogostick in 9.04 or should i consider switching to another file manager instead?
[06:52] <kuhzoo> greetings
[06:57] <kuhzoo> how do I stop my computer (latest xubuntu with default sound configuration) from playing whatever the mic picks up
[06:57] <kuhzoo> ?
[07:00] <Ramla> i'd launch alsamixer in a terminal and mute the mic channel
[07:03] <kuhzoo> that makes it really hard to play around with recording programs like audacity
[07:04] <kuhzoo> putting on headphones would get rid of the symptom, but I'd rather not need to grab head phones every time I want to play with audacity
[07:05] <Ramla> i would suppose recording has different settings than playback, however i haven't ever recorded anything in linux
[11:22] <ringo999> i just installed the latest xubuntu release. "listen" music player seems to miss some gstreamer plugins (i.e. for mp3)?
[11:23] <ringo999> also wondering about german keyboard settings on a Macbook. I think I tried every possible combination...
[11:25] <cody-somerville> Install the xubuntu-restricted-extras package
[11:26] <ringo999> ok
[11:33] <SiDi> ringo999, what is you yesterday who asked about macbook german keyboard ?
[11:33] <SiDi> Applications -> Settings -> Keyboard -> Layout tab
[11:33] <SiDi> Keyboard model -> MacBook
[11:33] <SiDi> Keyboard layout -> german
[11:35] <ringo999> SiDi: yes, i think i already tried that setting but I will do it again
[11:36] <ringo999> SiDi: i need to restart xserver for the settings to take effect? how do i do that from terminal?
[11:47] <SiDi> you need to restart the session, yes
[11:59] <ringo999_> SiDi: still no luck :-(
[12:03] <SiDi> ringo999_, i dont know then, sorry
[12:08] <ringo999_> SiDi: ok
[12:09] <ricemark20> anyone use gwibber?
[12:16] <ricemark20> hello.. what is error 401 in gwibber?
[12:17] <SiDi> http://www.checkupdown.com/status/E401.html
[12:17] <SiDi> ricemark20, probably wrong id/password
[12:17] <ricemark20> tried that
[12:17] <ricemark20> ..thanks
[12:23] <ricemark20> apparently a bug with gwibber and twitter in the new version: 1.0.2  https://bugs.launchpad.net/gwibber/+bug/360468
[12:33] <ricemark20> where can i get the tarball for gwibber 1.0.1
[12:40] <SiDi> !info gwibber jaunty
[12:41] <SiDi> !info gwibber karmic
[12:42] <SiDi> Try the web, or search gwibber on launchpad
[12:45] <ricemark20> tried the web and launchpad
[12:45] <cody-somerville> launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber
[12:48] <SiDi> Where did you get 1.0.2 ?
[12:48] <ricemark20> apt-get installed it
[12:48] <ablomen> hey, is there a way to stop resolv.conf recreate itself (wrong) every time i boot (9.04 updated from beta updated from 8.10)? it always overwrites my own resolv.conf with the dns set to the ip of my router, not the dns server i actually use
[12:49] <SiDi> ricemark20, err, karmic doesnt even have 1.0.0
[12:50] <SiDi> ablomen, right click the network applet
[12:50] <SiDi> Edit connections -> chose the connection which you want to use with a custom DNS server
[12:50] <SiDi> Click on 'edit', go to the last tab, and replace the "DHCP" method by "DHCP - addresses only"
[12:51] <SiDi> and then put your custom DNS ip on the DNS text field ;)
[12:51] <ricemark20> you are right, i was checking launchpad and they said there was a 1.0.2
[12:51] <ricemark20> my bad
[12:51] <ablomen> SiDi, ah cool thanks ill try that when i get home, yet another thing network manager breaks \o/
[12:51] <SiDi> ricemark20, the only solution if there is no 1.0.1 package would be to grab the source from launchpad and revert it to the revision before the bad code was included
[12:52] <SiDi> and i dont know how to do it, ricemark20 :)
[12:52] <cody-somerville> Just download the older version deb
[12:52] <cody-somerville> and install it
[12:52] <SiDi> ablomen, it doesnt break them :) it automates them :)
[12:52] <ricemark20> 0.7?
[12:53] <ablomen> hmm well its the 3rd time it "automates" something in the wrong way, ah well, thanks for the fix :)
[12:53] <Pres-Gas> Hey all
[12:53] <SiDi> ricemark20, remove the one you installed and use the normal one from jaunty's repo
[12:54] <ricemark20> i did
[12:55] <ricemark20> i installed from the terminal, and I run jaunty
[12:55] <SiDi> hi Pres-Gas
[14:56] <ringo999> still stuck with getting my german macbook keyboard to work. can't really work without a functioning keyboard..
[15:13] <ringo999> hat i'm wondering is, where does xubuntu store the keyboard mapping?
[15:13] <ringo999> on debian i used to configure the settings in xorg.conf
[16:22] <firsm> Can you guys recommend ubuntu lpia over traditional xubuntu from a stability-wise point of view?
[16:25] <cody-somerville> lpia is useless
[16:27] <firsm> as I understand it, it just uses different compiler flags, but not all packages have been compiled as lpia "arch", so you're forced to to --force-all all the time
[16:33] <cody-somerville> firsm, no, the entire archive has been compiled with LPIA
[16:33] <cody-somerville> firsm, but LPIA provides no performance benefit
[16:33] <cody-somerville> Intel was planning on doing some stuff but it never materialized, atleast not in gcc
[16:33] <firsm> it's supposed to provide lower power consumption
[16:33] <cody-somerville> but it doesn't
[16:34] <firsm> mh, ok
[16:34] <firsm> I guess I'll just go with xubuntu i386 then
[16:37] <firsm> well, the alternate iso image doesn't seem to work on my usb stick as it won't continue without a cd-rom drive
[17:06] <firsm> well, now I tried usb-creator, when I boot the usb stick now the install says "failed to copy file from cd-rom" while loading installer components, any idea?
[17:50] <cody-somerville> firsm, for the alternative install, you need to append 'cdrom-detect/try-usb=true' to the boot opts
[17:50] <firsm> cody-somerville: ah, thanks
[17:54] <Zimm3r> Any way I speed up ubuntu when it is installing updates
[18:02] <Zimm3r> Anyone in??
[18:24] <TheSheep> use a local mirror
[18:24] <Zimm3r> I mean my system
[18:25] <TheSheep> any way there was, it has been done already by default
[18:26] <TheSheep> closing firefox might help if you're upgrading gtk-related packages
[18:27] <TheSheep> it has a bug that makes it take a lot of cpu on any change to gtk
[18:27] <Zimm3r> ya I did and it help somewhat :)
[19:39] <firsm> Does anybody know how to disable ssh-agent? Uncommenting use-ssh-agent in /etc/X11/Xsession.options does not work
[20:23] <mikubuntu> hey guys.  i just got this toshiba p35 s605 harman kardon edition laptop... sposd to have great (harman kardon) sound, but i can't get any volume out of it, all the sliders are set to high, but i still dont get volume.  any ideas?
[21:15] <ron_o> my harddrive seek times sometimes are extraordinarily long. Any suggestions on why this might be?
[21:20] <ron_o> to explain further when I open up a directory with many items, like my browser cache, it might take a minute or more before I can do anything with my computer. In the mean time I can hear my HD activitiy like it's going and going and going.
[21:20] <ron_o> this is even after a restart.
[21:23] <TheSheep> ron_o: check for suspicious logs in dmesg
[21:24] <TheSheep> !sound | mikubuntu
[21:26] <ron_o> my dmesg is filled with this: Dropped INPUT packet: IN=eth1 OUT= MAC= [ .......... ]. I have some problems with my internet connection that I can't figure out. So dmesg is about useless.
[21:26] <TheSheep> ron_o: well, skip those, look for any disk messages
[21:27] <ron_o> I can't skip those. Dmesg is full of those and those alone. :(
[21:27] <TheSheep> so?
[21:28] <TheSheep> just look at the others
[21:28] <TheSheep> it's not like they were removed
[21:30] <ron_o> I'll keep looking but right now every single one starts with "Dropped ..... "
[21:36] <TheSheep> dmesg | grep -v "^Dropped" | less
[22:08] <unitxt> TheSheep: What's an example of a suspicious log? I am just curious, that's all. Or should I ask something like this in ##security instead?
[22:09] <TheSheep> unitxt: in this case you are looking for io errors
[22:09] <TheSheep> unitxt: something like 'error reading from device xxx block yyy
[22:15] <kill3r> can someone help me
[22:15] <kill3r> i want to change the theme of xubuntu on my laptop that is dual booted with windows vista and i  want to use the live free or die hard theme can anyone please help me
[22:16] <charlie-tca> !theme | kill3r
[22:16] <unitxt> TheSheep: Hmm...Ok. I see. Then something like 'dmesg | grep "error" could *possibly* turn up something suspicious.
[22:16] <kill3r> i have the theme already downloaded i just need help finding where to install it
[22:17] <kill3r> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=66714&forumpage=2\
[22:17] <charlie-tca> put it in ~/.themes
[22:17] <kill3r> witch is where
[22:17] <TheSheep> in ~
[22:17] <unitxt> btw, thanks again.
[22:17] <TheSheep> in your home directory
[22:17] <charlie-tca> You create it in your /home/USER directory
[22:17] <kill3r> so
[22:17] <TheSheep> make sure to enable showing hidden files in 'view'
[22:17] <kill3r> /home/kill3r/.themes
[22:17] <charlie-tca> yes
[22:18] <kill3r> so i have to make the .themes
[22:18] <charlie-tca> yes
[22:18] <charlie-tca> mkdir /home/kill3r/.themes
[22:20] <kill3r> ok im in the folder
[22:20] <kill3r> now what?
[22:20] <kill3r> and btw im use to backtrack 3
[22:20] <TheSheep> unpack your downloaded theme there
[22:21] <kill3r> there is a icons,wallpaper and a emerald window border in the folder
[22:22] <TheSheep> these will have to go somewhere else
[22:22] <TheSheep> well, emerald theme won't work, unless you are using compiz with emerald. xfce uses its own window border themes
[22:22] <TheSheep> icons you put in ~/.icons
[22:23] <kill3r> kk
[22:23] <TheSheep> wallpaper goes enywhere you want
[22:23] <kill3r> i have the wallpaper on already
[22:23] <kill3r> i just need the icons and the emerald winder boder
[22:24] <TheSheep> xfce doesn't do emerald themes, only emerald does
[22:24] <kill3r> so how do i get the emerald theme 2 work?
[22:24] <kill3r> and in the icon folder i have gTangish2.0a2.tar.bz2
[22:25] <kill3r> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=66714&forumpage=2
[22:25] <kill3r> is the link to the theme
[22:26] <TheSheep> the emerald theme will only work with emerald
[22:26] <kill3r> so what is emerald??
[22:26] <TheSheep> can't get it to work with xfce
[22:26] <TheSheep> !info emerald
[22:26] <kill3r> so how do i get it
[22:26] <kill3r> ?
[22:27] <kill3r> do i need to install ubuntu
[22:27] <TheSheep> !compiz
[22:27] <kill3r> so do i need to install ubuntu or can i do it with xubuntu???
[22:28] <kill3r> anyone??
[22:29] <TheSheep> you can do it with xubuntu that has it's xfce window manager replaced with compiz
[22:29] <TheSheep> its
[22:29] <kill3r> how will i do that?
[22:29] <TheSheep> see 4 lines above
[22:30] <kill3r> kk
[22:31] <kill3r> firefox just locked up
[22:34] <kill3r_> what if i use this themem
[22:34] <kill3r_> http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager
[22:34] <kill3r_> Die Hard 4.0 GTK theme
[22:34] <kill3r_>    0.2
[22:34] <kill3r_> could i use that one
[22:34] <kill3r_> that is gtk 2.0 theme/style
[22:35] <kill3r_> ???
[22:35] <kill3r_> anyone?
[22:36] <kill3r_> !gtk
[22:36] <kill3r_> !GIMP
[22:36] <charlie-tca> kill3r: it should work
[22:37] <charlie-tca> There is no guarantee the entire theme will work in Xfce, thouhg
[22:37] <kill3r_> so i should use ubuntu???
[22:38] <charlie-tca> If the theme is that important to you, probably
[22:38] <kill3r_> ok then i will go install unbuntu then
[23:08] <PDG1> hello?
[23:09] <charlie-tca> !hi | PDG1
[23:09] <PDG1> so... I've got a really old laptop, I've been using puppy on it for a while. but I realized I really don't like it
[23:10] <charlie-tca> how much memory?
[23:10] <PDG1> I think it's 128
[23:10] <PDG1> I can't remember
[23:10] <PDG1> I originally thought 192... but Xubuntu wouldn't install
[23:10] <charlie-tca> less than 256mb is going to run slow, and you will not be able to open more than 1 app at a time
[23:10] <PDG1> it was running win98 when i got it
[23:10] <charlie-tca> Use the alternate cd
[23:11] <PDG1> so I have the alternate CD...
[23:11] <charlie-tca> Live cd will take about 5 hours or more
[23:11] <charlie-tca> what version?
[23:11] <PDG1> it did
[23:11] <PDG1> lol
[23:11] <PDG1> I just burnt it a month ago
[23:11] <PDG1> or maybe less
[23:11] <PDG1> maybe it was end of may
[23:12] <charlie-tca> Is it giving any errors?
[23:12] <charlie-tca> Does the cd pass md5sum and check disk for errors ?
[23:12] <PDG1> a couple... I can't remember exactly what errors
[23:12] <PDG1> I'm checking the disk right now
[23:13] <PDG1> but I heard there were a few things i could do to make it a little less mem intensive
[23:13] <PDG1> like removing the auto update or something
[23:13] <charlie-tca> yup
[23:13] <charlie-tca> but not until it is installed
[23:14] <PDG1> does that mean i have to remaster? or is there a way to set that before the install?
[23:14] <PDG1> darn
[23:14] <charlie-tca> No, just means removing update notifier option in software sources
[23:14] <PDG1> test is 95 % done... I'll see waht errors it gives me when i try to boot it
[23:15] <PDG1> CD is valid
[23:16] <PDG1> during the boot
[23:17] <charlie-tca> after installation, go to Synaptic Package Manager, settings, repositories, Updates tab and unchceck "Check for Updates"
[23:17] <PDG1> is there any way i can see what's happening? like.. comand line
[23:17] <charlie-tca> There is a command line install option, one the f-keys will give it to you
[23:18] <charlie-tca> Mostly, it is waiting on video to draw the screen so you can see it
[23:18] <PDG1> okay... I'll just do a fresh install
[23:19] <charlie-tca> When I take memory down to 64mb and video to 4mb, it takes extremely long to draw each screen. I get a black screen while waiting
[23:19] <PDG1> I'm seeing a lot of lines that say package has zero elements when i first boot up
[23:20] <PDG1> know what that means?
[23:20] <bruce> fdsasdf
[23:20] <charlie-tca> no, it might mean the cd is bad, even if it passes the tests
[23:20] <PDG1> hmmm
[23:20] <PDG1> like... the CD itself... not the burn?
[23:21] <charlie-tca> I did have one the entire drive was bad, but I would try another burn first
[23:21] <charlie-tca> I could do all the installs execpt one on that bad drive, and they worked. That was like 15 installs, and one failed in the middle. The cd drive was bad
[23:22] <PDG1> crap...
[23:22] <PDG1> I guess i could try from USB
[23:22] <charlie-tca> I would burn another cd-r and try that, though
[23:23] <PDG1> good idea
[23:24] <bruce_> what is xfce's option for a program similar to digikam ?
[23:26] <mikubuntu> TheSheep: sorry i got disconnected ... about my sound, yes, i have the sound prefs set to alsa, but still get very low volume.  if you look at http://www.mobilewhack.com/reviews/toshiba_satellite_p35-s605_noteboook.html  in the third paragraph it describes what should be great sound capabilities, but i'm not getting it ...
[23:29] <PDG1> I'm also trying to install again
[23:31] <PDG1> otherwise... if Xubuntu is really not going to work
[23:31] <PDG1> any suggestions for an Os that could replace windows 98 on older laptops?
[23:32] <PDG1> that isn't puppy or DSL?
[23:36] <ron_o> try fluxbuntu PDG1
[23:36] <ron_o> or just install fluxbox on Xubuntu
[23:37] <PDG1> hmm
[23:37] <ron_o> but fluxbuntu might have a smaller footprint with better support for older systems than xubuntu with fluxbox installed.
[23:37] <ron_o> DSL uses fluxbox but isn't supported as well as *buntu
[23:37] <PDG1> so the difference between fluxubuntu and xubuntu with fluxbox is?
[23:38] <ron_o> fluxbuntu is made with a smaller footprint all together from the get go.
[23:38] <PDG1> ohh
[23:38] <PDG1> you said that
[23:38] <PDG1> sorry
[23:38] <ron_o> with fluxbox you may have to manipulate it in order to stop some scripts from starting ... etc..
[23:39] <PDG1> so if there was like... 100 MB of available mem... would that work well?
[23:39] <PDG1> or does it need a bit more oomf
[23:39] <ron_o> hmmm, that's kind of, well, small. :)
[23:39] <PDG1> yeah... I think I've got 128
[23:39] <PDG1> I can't remember what it said
[23:39] <ron_o> it would as long as you didn't run any heavy apps like firefox or any GUI browser.
[23:39] <ron_o> that's where you'll run into problems, see?
[23:39] <PDG1> yeah
[23:40] <PDG1> it was running win98 well
[23:40] <PDG1> and puppy linux ran pretty good
[23:40] <ron_o> puppy is great but it has its own fricking .pup binary apps..
[23:40] <PDG1> that's what kind of drove me
[23:40] <ron_o> you won't have access to all those great apps from Debian.
[23:41] <PDG1> supposedly there's a way to install debian apps
[23:41] <PDG1> but I like how seemless buntu has been
[23:41] <ron_o> I'd stick with fluxbuntu and see how it goes, but with that little RAM you're going to run into trouble with any heavy GUI apps.
[23:42] <PDG1> yup... gedit and calculator for me
[23:42] <PDG1> lol
[23:42] <ron_o> you see, you *can* run linux on an old system, but it's not really advisable except for specific use, like a firewall or something or for those folks who don't mine the Terminal.
[23:42] <ron_o> yah, you're going to run into trouble.
[23:42] <PDG1> yeah... it's not going to be my power house
[23:43] <ron_o> I ran a 1.6Ghz with 350+RAM and it did just fine with fluxbox on xubuntu.
[23:43] <ron_o> but what's your CPU speed?
[23:43] <PDG1> it's a P3... I think coppermine
[23:43] <ron_o> so really slow. Wow..
[23:43] <ron_o> less than 500MHz I am sure.
[23:44] <PDG1> it says... designed for Win2000 pro or 98
[23:44] <ron_o> you can get by with it, but you better pick your apps well.
[23:44] <PDG1> yeah....
[23:45] <ron_o> I used Opera without any java/javascript/plugins running and it ran decently.
[23:45] <PDG1> I mean... I really would use puppy or DSL
[23:45] <PDG1> opera's slick
[23:45] <PDG1> I didn't know just how cool till I got a BB storm from work to demo
[23:45] <PDG1> I put Opera mini on it
[23:45] <ron_o> DSL is debian based. But I'd just find out what apps DSL uses and go with Fluxbuntu and copy them.
[23:45] <PDG1> the web goes like stink
[23:46] <ron_o> yah..
[23:46] <ron_o> never used Opera mini.
[23:46] <PDG1> it's good... the storm is a bit of a pain in the ass
[23:46] <PDG1> but opera mini is good
[23:47] <ron_o> Opera is great, yes, but I have found on this system, which is extremely fast dualcore, opera keeps sucking  a ton of memory when I leave it open with a lot of tabs open and plugins running.
[23:48] <PDG1> weird
[23:50] <ron_o> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems
[23:50] <ron_o> yah, it's weird. I can have like 1.5GB or memory coming mostly from Opera... maybe 4/5 from Opera.
[23:53] <ron_o> I might give that low memory system a try on Virtualbox to see how it goes. The thing is, if it were as easy as that page makes it seem, then all the other *buntus wouldn't be needed.
[23:53] <ron_o> use it as a learning experience.
[23:55] <PDG1> thanks
[23:55] <PDG1> I'll try that
[23:56] <ron_o> PDG1, there's also a way, that I've not tried yet, of creating your very own LiveCD without handrolling it yourself. Check out the web for more info.
[23:56] <ron_o> you could create something that runs totally in RAM and save all your data to maybe a USB drive or your Hard drive.
[23:56] <ron_o> with linux, it's endless. Have fun. :)
[23:57] <PDG1> right now I'm thinking I might be able to up the swap file...
[23:57] <ron_o> like have your own eeepc.
[23:57] <PDG1> lol...except... it's friggin huge
[23:57] <ron_o> you can always do that. That ain't the problem. The problem is the swap file is so damn slow.
[23:57] <PDG1> it's a dell inspiron 5000
[23:58] <ron_o> yah. well. I didn't say for your desktop. :)
[23:58] <PDG1> yeah... i guess you're right... it needs to be able to write to the swap fast enough to make it worthwihile
[23:59] <ron_o> in your case, having a separate harddrive for such a slow computer would be advisable.
[23:59] <ron_o> *for your swap
[23:59] <ron_o> I might try that myself. I've only got like 2 dozen hard drives hanging around.