| veryfrustrated | hey umm...is anyone on? | 02:45 |
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| veryfrustrated | im very frustrated. heh. with ltsp. was wondering if anyone had some time or pointers | 02:46 |
| veryfrustrated | register password | 02:49 |
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| === technic58_frustr is now known as technic58 | ||
| intok | Edubuntu, Qimo or something else, whats better for old gear? P3 600Mhz, 512Mb ram kinda stuff | 10:46 |
| kkeett | Hello, just wondering if there is anyway to try edubuntu 9.04 'live' without installing ? | 12:24 |
| kkeett | ? | 12:48 |
| kkeett | hello, sorry I asked this in here already but got logged out... | 14:14 |
| kkeett | anyone in here know if it is possible to run edubuntu as a live [ie without install] | 14:15 |
| alkisg | kkeett: I don't think so. It's an add-on cd, not a distro, so it doesn't have a live cd. | 14:19 |
| kkeett | thanks for that alkisg, ya i know of the changes to the distro, do you think there is any possibility of a iive edubuntu? i often demo it to schools and many have installed edubuntu due to this, I have another school interested, but there is now way they will allow an install just to demo ! | 14:30 |
| alkisg | kkeett: I think you may be able to make a usb stick with that, yes, but I don't know how. See unetbootin or something. | 14:35 |
| kkeett | thanks again alkisg, will have a look ! | 14:39 |
| sbalneav | Morning all | 14:39 |
| LaserJock | morning Edubuntu land | 17:11 |
| alkisg | Hey LaserJock | 17:14 |
| sbalneav | Hello LaserJock | 17:16 |
| LaserJock | nubae: you going to be around? | 17:20 |
| erieslabnx | I have a user problem and the ubuntu room is to busy for help.... | 17:21 |
| erieslabnx | I created like 15 users and only about 6 show up in the Users settings, I tried to re-create the missing users and it says the users exist already. Yet there is not even a folder for them in the Home Folder. Why are they not there? | 17:21 |
| erieslabnx | anyone have any guesses? | 17:22 |
| LaserJock | there is an option to not create the home folder, I suppose you could have accidentally hit that | 17:22 |
| erieslabnx | it will not allow that user to login as well? | 17:22 |
| erieslabnx | but says they already exist' | 17:23 |
| LaserJock | the user itself exists | 17:23 |
| erieslabnx | they are not in the user list to edit the settings to even see if the checkbox was checked | 17:23 |
| LaserJock | but if there is no /home/<user> directory it won't login | 17:23 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 17:23 |
| LaserJock | how did you create the users? | 17:23 |
| erieslabnx | not listed under users and groups | 17:23 |
| erieslabnx | from users and groups | 17:24 |
| LaserJock | that's odd | 17:24 |
| erieslabnx | i know right | 17:24 |
| erieslabnx | i figured if it was a missed option i would delete the user and do it over, but they are not there for me to delete | 17:25 |
| LaserJock | you can use sudo userdel -r <username> | 17:25 |
| erieslabnx | can not login the user in from the thin clients or the server itself | 17:25 |
| LaserJock | to remove them from the command line | 17:25 |
| erieslabnx | will try that | 17:25 |
| LaserJock | then try making them again | 17:25 |
| erieslabnx | trying that shell command said user does not exist, then going into the users and groups to add them says already exists | 17:27 |
| LaserJock | yikes | 17:27 |
| LaserJock | that's messed up | 17:27 |
| erieslabnx | I was afraid of that | 17:28 |
| LaserJock | I guess it might be a bug in Users and Groups | 17:28 |
| LaserJock | though I don't know what it would be seeing that it thinks they already exist | 17:28 |
| erieslabnx | sudo useradd username password ? | 17:29 |
| sbalneav | check the /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow file | 17:29 |
| erieslabnx | is that how you do it? | 17:29 |
| sbalneav | off for lunch for a bit. | 17:29 |
| erieslabnx | i don't have a password or shadow folder | 17:30 |
| LaserJock | erieslabnx: check the files | 17:30 |
| erieslabnx | oops lol | 17:30 |
| erieslabnx | not folders | 17:30 |
| LaserJock | erieslabnx: see if the users you created are in there | 17:30 |
| erieslabnx | nothing listed for those same missing users in password file, but all active working users are in there | 17:31 |
| erieslabnx | shadow files are saying unreadable format | 17:31 |
| LaserJock | erieslabnx: if you do sudo less /etc/shadow ? | 17:33 |
| erieslabnx | ok i did sudo in and all files were readable, but those missing users are missing in both files | 17:34 |
| LaserJock | ok | 17:34 |
| erieslabnx | could sabayon have done this? | 17:34 |
| LaserJock | ohhhhh | 17:35 |
| LaserJock | you have sabayon installed? | 17:35 |
| erieslabnx | I think that is the breaking point where I added the additional users | 17:35 |
| erieslabnx | the existing users were added before sabayon I think | 17:35 |
| erieslabnx | I installed it but have not yet touched it | 17:35 |
| LaserJock | yeah, right now sabayon has a known bug where Users and Groups is broken after installing sabayon | 17:35 |
| erieslabnx | LOL | 17:35 |
| erieslabnx | this is why restore points are good lol | 17:36 |
| LaserJock | erieslabnx: what version of Ubuntu are you using? | 17:36 |
| erieslabnx | alternate with ltsp | 17:36 |
| LaserJock | what release though | 17:36 |
| erieslabnx | 9.04 | 17:36 |
| LaserJock | ok | 17:36 |
| LaserJock | so just uninstall sabayon | 17:36 |
| erieslabnx | that is jaunty right? | 17:36 |
| LaserJock | yep | 17:36 |
| erieslabnx | ok | 17:36 |
| LaserJock | sabayon itself is also broken in 9.04 | 17:37 |
| LaserJock | so there's not much reason for testing it out at the moment :( | 17:37 |
| erieslabnx | ok thank you | 17:37 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav is working on getting it back in shape | 17:37 |
| LaserJock | but for now just removing it should fix everything up for you | 17:37 |
| erieslabnx | this is why I love this community, all real people, all willing to help if they have time | 17:38 |
| erieslabnx | even the developers! | 17:38 |
| LaserJock | we just wish we had more time :( | 17:38 |
| LaserJock | or else sabayon would be just fine in 9.04 | 17:38 |
| erieslabnx | :) | 17:38 |
| erieslabnx | I am patient | 17:38 |
| LaserJock | but we're trying anyway | 17:38 |
| LaserJock | that's nice | 17:39 |
| LaserJock | many users aren't nearly so patient :-) | 17:39 |
| erieslabnx | very grateful for what is out there already | 17:39 |
| erieslabnx | My server was in a box yesterday and I had 10 thin clients connected in running in about 3 hours yesterday. I have never used Linux before in my life | 17:39 |
| erieslabnx | just awesome | 17:39 |
| LaserJock | oh wow | 17:40 |
| LaserJock | that's really cool | 17:40 |
| LaserJock | well, welcome to Linux and Ubuntu! | 17:40 |
| erieslabnx | :) | 17:41 |
| LaserJock | for LTSP stuff the #ltsp channel is awesome, if you haven't been over there yet | 17:41 |
| erieslabnx | I have been idling there learning :) | 17:41 |
| erieslabnx | thank you | 17:42 |
| erieslabnx | as far as sabayon, was it good before the glitches? | 17:42 |
| erieslabnx | the gui shows that it is highly rated | 17:42 |
| LaserJock | I think it might depend on how you use it and what you're wanting to get out of it | 17:43 |
| erieslabnx | jammed up | 17:43 |
| erieslabnx | screen is going out, i think it is the uninstall | 17:43 |
| erieslabnx | brb after reboot | 17:43 |
| LaserJock | k | 17:43 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: ping | 17:50 |
| LaserJock | erieslabnx: are you using LTSP in an educational environment? | 17:50 |
| erieslabnx | you could say, yes.... | 17:51 |
| erieslabnx | mental health, we provide job training to mentally disabled adults | 17:51 |
| LaserJock | oh, that's great | 17:51 |
| erieslabnx | at this office we are only deploying 12 seats, the next setup/ other office will be 50 seats | 17:51 |
| LaserJock | so is the LTSP setup for staff or for actual training? | 17:52 |
| erieslabnx | both actualy | 17:52 |
| LaserJock | Edubuntu has tossed around the idea of doing some "adult education" stuff but the idea never really got formulated | 17:53 |
| LaserJock | are you going to use an non-default apps or do you basically need office and web browsing? | 17:53 |
| erieslabnx | I have followed Edu for a long long time knowing they were the path we needed | 17:53 |
| erieslabnx | about three years before taking the dive | 17:53 |
| erieslabnx | the hesitation has just been the fact that I am scared to force myself to become a linux admin | 17:54 |
| LaserJock | geeze, that's some serious forethought :-) | 17:54 |
| LaserJock | I can understand that | 17:54 |
| erieslabnx | after seeing the simplicity of getting the thin clients running I am angry I wasted so much time | 17:54 |
| LaserJock | I'm a chemist by career/education | 17:55 |
| erieslabnx | :) Sociology here | 17:55 |
| LaserJock | so sysadmin'ing isn't exactly my forte necessarily | 17:55 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: pong | 17:55 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: pong | 17:55 |
| LaserJock | erieslabnx: ah, my wife is a "social scientist" | 17:56 |
| erieslabnx | I am hitting walls now, I installed Sabayon to make sure the thin clients were bullet proof from the users, and jacked my server up bad | 17:56 |
| LaserJock | erieslabnx: we're having an Edubuntu meeting in ~ 4min in #ubuntu-meeting, you're welcome to join us | 17:56 |
| erieslabnx | yes I am curious :) thank you | 17:56 |
| highvoltage | oh wow, it's Thursday already!? | 17:57 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: uhhh, ya | 17:57 |
| LaserJock | and I thought *I* was the spacey one ;-p | 17:57 |
| erieslabnx | is there a password on the channel? | 17:58 |
| LaserJock | nope | 17:58 |
| erieslabnx | k | 17:58 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: heh | 17:58 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: not much time for being spacey this week | 17:59 |
| LaserJock | erieslabnx: there are hardly any secret or protected channels in Ubuntu, even some of the Canonical stuff is open | 17:59 |
| erieslabnx | k | 17:59 |
| erieslabnx | hmm these missing users are listed in /etc/ groups | 18:01 |
| erieslabnx | group rather without the s | 18:02 |
| erieslabnx | and /etc/ gshadow | 18:02 |
| LaserJock | ah | 18:03 |
| LaserJock | so maybe the user was removed fine | 18:03 |
| LaserJock | but the corresponding group remains | 18:03 |
| LaserJock | erieslabnx: go into Users and Groups and go to the groups section and see if they're listed | 18:04 |
| LaserJock | nubae: Edubuntu meeting time | 18:04 |
| LaserJock | ==== Edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting ==== | 18:04 |
| erieslabnx | yeah they are listed in groups, could that be why I can't add them add them as Users? | 18:06 |
| erieslabnx | yep worked | 18:07 |
| erieslabnx | thanks for the help again guys | 18:07 |
| LaserJock | erieslabnx: np | 18:08 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: if we don't get stgraber and nubae I think we're better off just rescheduling | 18:08 |
| highvoltage | *nod* | 18:09 |
| erieslabnx | I just seen nubae a few minutes ago | 18:09 |
| erieslabnx | unless he timed out a few minutes ago there activity in another room | 18:09 |
| LaserJock | I'd like us to go over https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/9.10/Tasks | 18:09 |
| LaserJock | I added some packaging/QA stuff a minute ago | 18:10 |
| LaserJock | erieslabnx: so have you been installing many apps outside the Ubuntu defaults? | 18:11 |
| LaserJock | or are you still in the "getting LTSP set up" stage? | 18:12 |
| erieslabnx | I have started looking about, more interested in getting the system stable and locked down so it can't be modified much | 18:13 |
| erieslabnx | I don't wanna be sought out for tech support all day long everyday | 18:13 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 18:14 |
| stgraber | LaserJock: I'm back | 18:29 |
| stgraber | sorry was on lunch break | 18:29 |
| LaserJock | k | 18:29 |
| LaserJock | nubae: pingy pingy | 18:29 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: saw my commit ? (standard version) | 18:30 |
| highvoltage | nubaaaaaaaaae | 18:50 |
| intok | anyone tried Qimo before? how is it for young kids? | 20:33 |
| pygi | intok: its pretty good, yes | 20:58 |
| nubae | highvoltage: hi | 22:46 |
| nubae | voltage :-) | 22:46 |
| nubae | any idea what Laserjockus wanted? | 22:46 |
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