[02:45] <veryfrustrated> hey umm...is anyone on?
[02:46] <veryfrustrated> im very frustrated. heh. with ltsp. was wondering if anyone had some time or pointers
[02:49] <veryfrustrated> register password
[10:46] <intok> Edubuntu, Qimo or something else, whats better for old gear? P3 600Mhz, 512Mb ram kinda stuff
[12:24] <kkeett> Hello, just wondering if there is anyway to try edubuntu 9.04  'live' without installing ?
[12:48] <kkeett> ?
[14:14] <kkeett> hello, sorry I asked this in here already but got logged out...
[14:15] <kkeett> anyone in here know if it is possible to run edubuntu as a live [ie without install]
[14:19] <alkisg> kkeett: I don't think so. It's an add-on cd, not a distro, so it doesn't have a live cd.
[14:30] <kkeett> thanks for that alkisg, ya i know of the changes to  the distro, do you think there is any possibility of a iive edubuntu? i often demo it to schools and many have installed edubuntu due to this,  I have another school interested, but there is now way they will allow an install just to demo !
[14:35] <alkisg> kkeett: I think you may be able to make a usb stick with that, yes, but I don't know how. See unetbootin or something.
[14:39] <kkeett> thanks again alkisg, will have a look !
[14:39] <sbalneav> Morning all
[17:11] <LaserJock> morning Edubuntu land
[17:14] <alkisg> Hey LaserJock
[17:16] <sbalneav> Hello LaserJock
[17:20] <LaserJock> nubae: you going to be around?
[17:21] <erieslabnx> I have a user problem and the ubuntu room is to busy for help....
[17:21] <erieslabnx> I created like 15 users and only about 6 show up in the Users settings, I tried to re-create the missing users and it says the users exist already. Yet there is not even a folder for them in the Home Folder. Why are they not there?
[17:22] <erieslabnx> anyone have any guesses?
[17:22] <LaserJock> there is an option to not create the home folder, I suppose you could have accidentally hit that
[17:22] <erieslabnx> it will not allow that user to login as well?
[17:23] <erieslabnx> but says they already exist'
[17:23] <LaserJock> the user itself exists
[17:23] <erieslabnx> they are not in the user list to edit the settings to even see if the checkbox was checked
[17:23] <LaserJock> but if there is no /home/<user> directory it won't login
[17:23] <LaserJock> hmm
[17:23] <LaserJock> how did you create the users?
[17:23] <erieslabnx> not listed under users and groups
[17:24] <erieslabnx> from users and groups
[17:24] <LaserJock> that's odd
[17:24] <erieslabnx> i know right
[17:25] <erieslabnx> i figured if it was a missed option i would delete the user and do it over, but they are not there for me to delete
[17:25] <LaserJock> you can use sudo userdel -r <username>
[17:25] <erieslabnx> can not login the user in from the thin clients or the server itself
[17:25] <LaserJock> to remove them from the command line
[17:25] <erieslabnx> will try that
[17:25] <LaserJock> then try making them again
[17:27] <erieslabnx> trying that shell command said user does not exist, then going into the users and groups to add them says already exists
[17:27] <LaserJock> yikes
[17:27] <LaserJock> that's messed up
[17:28] <erieslabnx> I was afraid of that
[17:28] <LaserJock> I guess it might be a bug in Users and Groups
[17:28] <LaserJock> though I don't know what it would be seeing that it thinks they already exist
[17:29] <erieslabnx> sudo useradd username password ?
[17:29] <sbalneav> check the /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow file
[17:29] <erieslabnx> is that how you do it?
[17:29] <sbalneav> off for lunch for a bit.
[17:30] <erieslabnx> i don't have a password or shadow folder
[17:30] <LaserJock> erieslabnx: check the files
[17:30] <erieslabnx> oops lol
[17:30] <erieslabnx> not folders
[17:30] <LaserJock> erieslabnx: see if the users you created are in there
[17:31] <erieslabnx> nothing listed for those same missing users in password file, but all active working users are in there
[17:31] <erieslabnx> shadow files are saying unreadable format
[17:33] <LaserJock> erieslabnx: if you do sudo less /etc/shadow ?
[17:34] <erieslabnx> ok i did sudo in and all files were readable, but those missing users are missing in both files
[17:34] <LaserJock> ok
[17:34] <erieslabnx> could sabayon have done this?
[17:35] <LaserJock> ohhhhh
[17:35] <LaserJock> you have sabayon installed?
[17:35] <erieslabnx> I think that is the breaking point where I added the additional users
[17:35] <erieslabnx> the existing users were added before sabayon I think
[17:35] <erieslabnx> I installed it but have not yet touched it
[17:35] <LaserJock> yeah, right now sabayon has a known bug where Users and Groups is broken after installing sabayon
[17:35] <erieslabnx> LOL
[17:36] <erieslabnx> this is why restore points are good lol
[17:36] <LaserJock> erieslabnx: what version of Ubuntu are you using?
[17:36] <erieslabnx> alternate with ltsp
[17:36] <LaserJock> what release though
[17:36] <erieslabnx> 9.04
[17:36] <LaserJock> ok
[17:36] <LaserJock> so just uninstall sabayon
[17:36] <erieslabnx> that is jaunty right?
[17:36] <LaserJock> yep
[17:36] <erieslabnx> ok
[17:37] <LaserJock> sabayon itself is also broken in 9.04
[17:37] <LaserJock> so there's not much reason for testing it out at the moment :(
[17:37] <erieslabnx> ok thank you
[17:37] <LaserJock> sbalneav is working on getting it back in shape
[17:37] <LaserJock> but for now just removing it should fix everything up for you
[17:38] <erieslabnx> this is why I love this community, all real people, all willing to help if they have time
[17:38] <erieslabnx> even the developers!
[17:38] <LaserJock> we just wish we had more time :(
[17:38] <LaserJock> or else sabayon would be just fine in 9.04
[17:38] <erieslabnx> :)
[17:38] <erieslabnx> I am patient
[17:38] <LaserJock> but we're trying anyway
[17:39] <LaserJock> that's nice
[17:39] <LaserJock> many users aren't nearly so patient :-)
[17:39] <erieslabnx> very grateful for what is out there already
[17:39] <erieslabnx> My server was in a box yesterday and I had 10 thin clients connected in running in about 3 hours yesterday. I have never used Linux before in my life
[17:39] <erieslabnx> just awesome
[17:40] <LaserJock> oh wow
[17:40] <LaserJock> that's really cool
[17:40] <LaserJock> well, welcome to Linux and Ubuntu!
[17:41] <erieslabnx> :)
[17:41] <LaserJock> for LTSP stuff the #ltsp channel is awesome, if you haven't been over there yet
[17:41] <erieslabnx> I have been idling there learning :)
[17:42] <erieslabnx> thank you
[17:42] <erieslabnx> as far as sabayon, was it good before the glitches?
[17:42] <erieslabnx> the gui shows that it is highly rated
[17:43] <LaserJock> I think it might depend on how you use it and what you're wanting to get out of it
[17:43] <erieslabnx> jammed up
[17:43] <erieslabnx> screen is going out, i think it is the uninstall
[17:43] <erieslabnx> brb after reboot
[17:43] <LaserJock> k
[17:50] <LaserJock> highvoltage: ping
[17:50] <LaserJock> erieslabnx: are you using LTSP in an educational environment?
[17:51] <erieslabnx> you could say, yes....
[17:51] <erieslabnx> mental health, we provide job training to mentally disabled adults
[17:51] <LaserJock> oh, that's great
[17:51] <erieslabnx> at this office we are only deploying 12 seats, the next setup/ other office will be 50 seats
[17:52] <LaserJock> so is the LTSP setup for staff or for actual training?
[17:52] <erieslabnx> both actualy
[17:53] <LaserJock> Edubuntu has tossed around the idea of doing some "adult education" stuff but the idea never really got formulated
[17:53] <LaserJock> are you going to use an non-default apps or do you basically need office and web browsing?
[17:53] <erieslabnx> I have followed Edu for a long long time knowing they were the path we needed
[17:53] <erieslabnx> about three years before taking the dive
[17:54] <erieslabnx> the hesitation has just been the fact that I am scared to force myself to become a linux admin
[17:54] <LaserJock> geeze, that's some serious forethought :-)
[17:54] <LaserJock> I can understand that
[17:54] <erieslabnx> after seeing the simplicity of getting the thin clients running I am angry I wasted so much time
[17:55] <LaserJock> I'm a chemist by career/education
[17:55] <erieslabnx> :) Sociology here
[17:55] <LaserJock> so sysadmin'ing isn't exactly my forte necessarily
[17:55] <highvoltage> LaserJock: pong
[17:55] <highvoltage> stgraber: pong
[17:56] <LaserJock> erieslabnx: ah, my wife is a "social scientist"
[17:56] <erieslabnx> I am hitting walls now, I installed Sabayon to make sure the thin clients were bullet proof from the users, and jacked my server up bad
[17:56] <LaserJock> erieslabnx: we're having an Edubuntu meeting in ~ 4min in #ubuntu-meeting, you're welcome to join us
[17:56] <erieslabnx> yes I am curious :) thank you
[17:57] <highvoltage> oh wow, it's Thursday already!?
[17:57] <LaserJock> highvoltage: uhhh, ya
[17:57] <LaserJock> and I thought *I* was the spacey one ;-p
[17:58] <erieslabnx> is there a password on the channel?
[17:58] <LaserJock> nope
[17:58] <erieslabnx> k
[17:58] <highvoltage> LaserJock: heh
[17:59] <highvoltage> LaserJock: not much time for being spacey this week
[17:59] <LaserJock> erieslabnx: there are hardly any secret or protected channels in Ubuntu, even some of the Canonical stuff is open
[17:59] <erieslabnx> k
[18:01] <erieslabnx> hmm these missing users are listed in /etc/ groups
[18:02] <erieslabnx> group rather without the s
[18:02] <erieslabnx> and /etc/ gshadow
[18:03] <LaserJock> ah
[18:03] <LaserJock> so maybe the user was removed fine
[18:03] <LaserJock> but the corresponding group remains
[18:04] <LaserJock> erieslabnx: go into Users and Groups and go to the groups section and see if they're listed
[18:04] <LaserJock> nubae: Edubuntu meeting time
[18:04] <LaserJock> [18:06] <erieslabnx> yeah they are listed in groups, could that be why I can't add them add them as Users?
[18:07] <erieslabnx> yep worked
[18:07] <erieslabnx> thanks for the help again guys
[18:08] <LaserJock> erieslabnx: np
[18:08] <LaserJock> highvoltage: if we don't get stgraber and nubae I think we're better off just rescheduling
[18:09] <highvoltage> *nod*
[18:09] <erieslabnx> I just seen nubae a few minutes ago
[18:09] <erieslabnx> unless he timed out a few minutes ago there activity in another room
[18:09] <LaserJock> I'd like us to go over https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/9.10/Tasks
[18:10] <LaserJock> I added some packaging/QA stuff a minute ago
[18:11] <LaserJock> erieslabnx: so have you been installing many apps outside the Ubuntu defaults?
[18:12] <LaserJock> or are you still in the "getting LTSP set up" stage?
[18:13] <erieslabnx> I have started looking about, more interested in getting the system stable and locked down so it can't be modified much
[18:13] <erieslabnx> I don't wanna be sought out for tech support all day long everyday
[18:14] <LaserJock> yeah
[18:29] <stgraber> LaserJock: I'm back
[18:29] <stgraber> sorry was on lunch break
[18:29] <LaserJock> k
[18:29] <LaserJock> nubae: pingy pingy
[18:30] <stgraber> highvoltage: saw my commit ? (standard version)
[18:50] <highvoltage> nubaaaaaaaaae
[20:33] <intok> anyone tried Qimo before? how is it for young kids?
[20:58] <pygi> intok: its pretty good, yes
[22:46] <nubae> highvoltage: hi
[22:46] <nubae> voltage :-)
[22:46] <nubae> any idea what Laserjockus wanted?